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Subject: Computer Privacy Digest V2#046
Computer Privacy Digest Thu, 27 May 93 Volume 2 : Issue: 046
Today's Topics: Moderator: Dennis G. Rears
Re: P.O. Boxes
Re: P.O. Boxes
Re: P.O. Boxes
Re: P.O. Boxes
French phreacking on Northern Telecom PBX
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From: jbcondat@attmail.com
Date: 31 Dec 69 23:59:59 GMT
Subject: Re: P.O. Boxes
On Sun, 23 May 1993 21:43:00 GMT, Peter (pbray@reed.edu) wrote:
> Does anyone know what type of information one needs to supply to get
> a P.O. Box. I mean, does one need to give name, home address and so
> forth. Can you rent a box anonymously? Also, if this is not the
> case, under what circumstances would the workers of the P.O. Box give
> out this information? Finally, does anyone know the monthly cost of
> a P.O. Box?
In France, I have two P.O. Box ("boites postales" or "B.P."). The first one
in Lyon and the second for my business near Paris.
The first in Lyon is a student-"B.P." without any fees: some high school
students are able to receive paper reprints, scientific journals, newspapers,
etc. in this "boite postale". The normal time period for this type of PO Box
is 10 years. My one is born on Sept. 1st, 1981!
The second one is for business use only and need some conditions:
(1) An official name and address with a regular DUN's number ("code SIREN"
in France);
(2) A traffic of more than 40 commercial letters and 2 little packets pro
working days;
(3) An annual fees of 156 FF payable all March 1st (note that the first time
you open a PO Box, you need to paid 156 FF until next March 1st).
But this last case give you the possibility of receiving hurge quantity of
letters of all types of posting (pre-paid, taxed-letters, telegrams, DHL,
ChronoPost (French Extremely Rush delivery letter), Distingo (one-price-
letter), etc.).
Don't hesitate to write me to my to "boites postales," ok?
+----- -----+
Jean-Bernard Condat
General Secretary
Chaos Computer Club France, B.P. 155, 93404 St-Ouen Cedex, France
Private Address: P.O. 8005, 69351 Lyon Cedex 08, France
Phone: +33 1 40101764, Fax: +33 1 47877070
InterNet: jbcondat@attmail.com or cccf@altern.com
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From: Henry Mensch <henry@ads.com>
Date: Mon, 24 May 93 15:26:36 -0700
Subject: Re: P.O. Boxes
[Moderator's Note: You generally need name and address. They will take
your address and mail you a confirmation card. You than take this
card and present it to the PO. They will then give your box. I pay $14
every 6 months for mine. I think they have to give your name and address
to anyone who requests it. ._dennis ]
i've never had to play this confirmation card game, and i've had po
boxes all over this country (and in other countries, too). they only
time they send you a card is if there are no boxes available at the
post office at the time of your request (then they send the card to
let you know that something is available).
[Moderator's Note: It looks like things are not standardized with the UPS. Check
with your local post office for how they do it in your area. ._dennis ]
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc. / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy." -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1993 15:32:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Ptasnik <davep@cac.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: P.O. Boxes
> From: pbray@reed.edu
> Subject: P.O. Boxes
>
> Does anyone know what type of information one needs to supply to get
> a P.O. Box. I mean, does one need to give name, home address and so
> forth. Can you rent a box anonymously? Also, if this is not the
> case, under what circumstances would the workers of the P.O. Box give
> out this information? Finally, does anyone know the monthly cost of
> a P.O. Box?
>
> Peter
You need not get an actual P(ost) O(ffice) Box. Virtually all major
cities have "Mail Services". These services provide a PO style box, have
a regular street address, with your box number added. Frequently people
will call these Suites or Apt's. For example
Peter
1234 Jones Street
Suite 123
Seattle, WA 98999
In many ways this is better than a PO Box. You can use it as a "regular"
address when filling out forms for organizations you prefer not to have
your regular street address, and who may not accept "regular" PO Boxes as
addresses. If you move around alot, it lets you keep a consistent
address, regardless of your roaming. Frequently owners of these shops are
very flexible with special arrangements. I have box 201 at such an
establishment. Due to my interest in Science Fiction, they allow me to
give out the address as 2001, and still put the mail in the right place.
I have my own key to my box, and can pick up my mail any time they are
open. Some even provide 24hr access to boxes. My cost for a small box is
about $15.00/mo.
Dave P davep@u.washington.edu
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From: Steve Forrette <stevef@wrq.com>
Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy,alt.privacy
Subject: Re: P.O. Boxes
Date: 25 May 1993 17:31:12 GMT
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA
In article <comp-privacy2.45.5@pica.army.mil> pbray@reed.edu writes:
>
>Does anyone know what type of information one needs to supply to get
>a P.O. Box.
>
>[Moderator's Note: You generally need name and address. They will take
>your address and mail you a confirmation card. You than take this
>card and present it to the PO. They will then give your box. I pay $14
>every 6 months for mine. I think they have to give your name and address
>to anyone who requests it. ._dennis ]
The owner's name and address is only public if the box is used for business
purposes, or some similar category. I think there's a checkbox on the
application where you state whether or not this is the case. If you use
a name other than your personal name (such as XYZ Corp), you'll have a hard
time convincing them that it is for personal use.
Another option is to go to one of the private maildrop places. They will
generally ask you to fill out a form with your name and home address, but
I've never seen one that actually verifies the information, and you can
pay in cash, so there's no reason you can't just use false information.
Generally speaking, you'll pay more than for a P.O. Box, generally $9-$14
per month.
Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com
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From: jbcondat@attmail.com
Date: 31 Dec 69 23:59:59 GMT
Subject: French phreacking on Northern Telecom PBX
In France, I note that Northern Telecom continue an uncredible progression
in number of PBX installed. NT will be present on the MATRA logo since some
months.
Some people have ask me how to prevent a phreaking process that will be
described:
(1) Go to a public phone in the street and never used your own private phone;
(2) Dial a "numero vert" (equivalent of the 800 phone number) that go on
a NT' PBX and wait for the vocal message of the Meridian Mail system.
You can found this "numero vert" on all ads in newspaper for the greatest
PBX: SNCF (train), VITTEL (water), Canal+ (TV), BARCLAYS (bank),
EuroDisney (games), Microsoft (softwares), etc.
Note that this phone call will be gratis!
(3) As soon as you have the vocal message, dial "0" then "*" for having the
automatic dial service;
(4) Dial "0" and your asked phone number ended by "#"... some seconds after
you have your communication!
How can I do to suppress this un-credible fonction of Meridian Mail?
+----- -----+
Jean-Bernard Condat
General Secretary
Chaos Computer Club France, B.P. 155, 93404 St-Ouen Cedex, France
Private Address: P.O. 8005, 69351 Lyon Cedex 08, France
Phone: +33 1 40101764, Fax: +33 1 47877070
InterNet: jbcondat@attmail.com or cccf@altern.com
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From: Dena L Bruedigam <dbruedig@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.clipper,alt.security,comp.society.privacy,misc.security
Subject: Searching for Writers
Date: 26 May 1993 19:06:21 GMT
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