Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 08:35:46 EST
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Subject: Computer Privacy Digest V4#059
Computer Privacy Digest Fri, 29 Apr 94 Volume 4 : Issue: 059
Today's Topics: Moderator: Leonard P. Levine
Phillip Zimmermann's Encryption program anybody??
Phillip Zimmermann's Encryption program anybody??
Re: Visa Privacy
Re: Visa Privacy
Re: Lord Have Mercy On Us All :-(
Re: Lord Have Mercy On Us All :-(
SSN: Do Not Give Your Number to Anyone!
Re: NSA remarks at "Lawyers and the Internet"
Re: Credit check only with Permission Granted
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From: bweston@lgc.com (Brent Weston)
Date: 28 Apr 1994 20:15:29 GMT
Subject: Phillip Zimmermann's Encryption program anybody??
Organization: Landmark Graphics Corporation
I understand there is a good encryption program available called PGP
(Pretty Good Privacy) written by Phillip Zimmermann and that a copy can
be obtained on the net. Does anybody know where I may get a copy?
Thanks in advance.
--
Brent Weston | Landmark Graphics Corporation
Software Engineer | 15150 Memorial Drive
bweston@lgc.com | Houston, Texas, USA 77079-4304
| Phone: (713) 560-1421 Fax: (713) 560-1278
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From: bcieslak@mkelan5.remnet.ab.com (Brian Cieslak )
Date: 29 Apr 1994 08:10:39
Subject: Phillip Zimmermann's Encryption program anybody??
Organization: Allen-Bradley
I recently read an article in the Wall street journal about an
encryption program that is used by emailers on the internet called PGP
"Pretty Good Privacy". I figured this would be a good place to start
looking for information about computer privacy...Can anyone tell me of
an FTP site where I can get a copy? (for personal use).
Thanks ahead of time
PS please post reply here as I am having some trouble receiving
messages on our server.
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From: terrell@sam.neosoft.com (Buford Terrell)
Date: 28 Apr 1994 23:34:31
Subject: Re: Visa Privacy
Organization: South Texas College of Law
"Prof. L. P. Levine" <levine@blatz.cs.uwm.edu> writes: I am the
co-author of a book called "A Foreign Visitor's Survival Guide to
America". It has been suggested that I use the Freedom of
Information act to obtain a list of people applying for visas to
come to the United States to create a mailing list of people to
send advertisements to. I would like any opinions on the ethics of
doing this.
If the names of visa applicants is not personal information exempt from
disclosure under FOIA, then I see nothing ethically wrong with building
a mailing list from those names. As the Supreme Court has repeatedly
said in cases involving lawyer advertising, the First Amendment right
of free speech includes the right to hear speech. If you truly believe
your book is worthwhile and would be helpful to those people, by all
means let them know where they can find that information. We all hate
advertising so much that we forget that it really can serve a socially
beneficial purpose.
Buford C. Terrell
South Texas College of Law
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From: WHMurray@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
Date: 27 Apr 94 07:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Visa Privacy
"Prof. L. P. Levine" <levine@blatz.cs.uwm.edu> writes: I am the
co-author of a book called "A Foreign Visitor's Survival Guide to
America". It has been suggested that I use the Freedom of
Information act to obtain a list of people applying for visas to
come to the United States to create a mailing list of people to
send advertisements to. I would like any opinions on the ethics of
doing this.
Marilyn, the fundamental rule is that personal information should be
used only for the purposes for which it was originally surrendered.
While your case is close, I would judge it to be over the line. It is
legal, probably not rude, but still an inappropriate use. It is not a
use of the information that the subject might reasonably have
anticipated when he gave it up. He did not anticipate that his name
and address would be aggregated with those of others to create a
marketing tool for a book, even one that he might otherwise want to
know about.
William Hugh Murray, Executive Consultant, Information System Security
49 Locust Avenue, Suite 104; New Canaan, Connecticut 06840
1-0-ATT-0-700-WMURRAY; WHMurray at DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
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From: elkube@access.digex.net (l.l.lipshitz)
Date: 27 Apr 1994 11:07:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Lord Have Mercy On Us All :-(
Organization: Elk Ube, Inc.
Arguably, new technologies applied to protecting citizens is a good
thing. However, what frightens me is the gradual incursion of military
technology and personnel into the civilian domain. Doesn't the Memo of
Understanding between the DoD and the Justice Dept. scare anyone else?
We already have active military assistance in the War on Drugs and
recommendations for further involvement. Here in the Washington, DC
area, we've seriously entertained proposals for using National Guard
units to patrol our streets to bolster the city's police force. I
believe (don't quote me on this one!) military assistance has been
suggested or is actually being used in efforts to stem illegal
immigration.
Perhaps I'm allowing my paranoid tendencies to take control here, but
having the military defend citizens not against foreign threats but
against other citizens is a frightening and repugnant notion.
-elle elkube@access.digex.net (l.l.lipshitz)
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From: Christopher Zguris <0004854540@mcimail.com>
Date: 27 Apr 94 12:11 EST
Subject: Re: Lord Have Mercy On Us All :-(
vapspcx@cad.gatech.edu (S. Keith Graham) writes: Kevlar vests save
officers lives. Cars let them pursue criminals. Radios let them
intercept criminals. Genetic samples let them verify the identity
of a criminal much more accurately than many eye witnesses. Video
cameras in cars protect both the officer and, in some cases, the
general public. Radar spots people sneaking into the country.
And some of the technology, like non-lethal "take-down" weapons,
will make it more likely for a citizen (guilty or innocent) to make
it to court, and have their say.
The only problem with non-lethal "take-down" weapons is the potential
for abuse. Long before the Rodney King case made the stun gun and taser
infamous, police officers here in New York City lost the ability to
carry or use the stun gun becuase they used it to coerce confessions.
In those cases, the non-lethal stun gun was most definately abused
against citizens. The stun gun was used because it left only minimal
obvious damage that could be documented, so the offending officers
thought they could get away with their actions (many did, and I'm sure
it's happened in other cities). An "offensive" weapon like a non-lethal
stungun should not be compared to a "defensive" weapon like a Kevlar
vest - a Kevlar vest cannot be abused.
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From: jkwiatkowski@attmail.com (John Kwiatkowski )
Date: 28 Apr 94 07:40:50 GMT
Subject: SSN: Do Not Give Your Number to Anyone!
I saw your message posted in Security. Social Security Numbers were
originally started for exactly that...social security reasons ONLY.
People and businesses took it upon themselves to start using social
security numbers as identifiers. The law says you DO NOT have to
divulge this number to anyone except the Government for social
security/tax purposes and an employer.THAT'S IT!! usiness,what they
get (fake number) is their own fault. It's kinda like me asking
you....How much money do you make a year...what's the date of birth of
your family members..etc.IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS!If you give me false
info...that's my problem for pressing you for info that doesn't concern
me. I admire you for standing up and refusing to give out your social
security number.PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY!!!Don't give in to anyone asking
for your private info.THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO ASK FOR OR HAVE IT!
John
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From: padgett@tccslr.dnet.orl.mmc.com (padgett peterson)
Date: 27 Apr 1994 12:40:27 GMT
Subject: Re: NSA remarks at "Lawyers and the Internet"
Organization: Martin-Marietta
milles@fi.gs.com (Stevens Miller) said: Speaking in favor of the
Clipper proposal was Stuart Baker of the NSA. I won't repeat his
substantial arguments, but his formal approach (which Mike Godwin
tells me is becoming a standard component of the government's
pro-Clipper road show) is worth some attention. Parroting his own
words at CFP, Baker told us:
- The debate over the Clipper proposal is "really just a culture
clash among net-heads."
- Those opposing the proposal are late-coming counter-culturists,
"who couldn't go to Woodstock because they had to do their trig
homework."
Well if you can't attack the facts, attack the people involved. Sounds
like they are running out of arguments. Personally, I did not go to
Woodstock because I was enjoying a government-paid vacation in South
East Asia at the time.
Now before anyone thinks I've changed my position, Clipper still sounds
to me like a cheap and effective alternative to what is available
today, it is the implimentation (read politics) that has flaws but
these can be fixed. Until I have a Clipper or two to play with, I am
going to reserve technical judgement.
IMHO the government could abandon the whole key escrow business and not
lose a thing.
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From: Don Whiteside <59326796Z@servax.fiu.edu>
Date: 28 Apr 1994 17:50:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Credit check only with Permission Granted
Organization: Florida International University, my eternal home
rivaud@coyote.rain.org writes: I used to work for a BMW dealer who
ran credit checks on people all the time without their prior
consent. That is common practice in the biz.
Pretty much every auto dealership does this. Think back to the last
time you went car shopping. The second you expressed an interest in a
test drive, they ask you for your driver's license. Then they dissapear
for about 5 minutes (the more suave amoung them send somebody else) and
get your credit report. Years ago, my father and I experimented with
this by handing them his license sometimes and mine other times. He
having a much longer credit history.... Without fail, the eagerness of
the salespeople rose signifigantly when we used his license.
Which just goes to show the effectiveness of this ploy - I paid cash.
Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science
Eternal Student Florida International University
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