From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jun 16 17:41:10 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA23880; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:41:10 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906162141.RAA23880@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #151 TELECOM Digest Wed, 16 Jun 99 17:41:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 151 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: 10-Digit Dialing in Cleveland (Steven J Sobol) Contact Info For Unsolicited FAX Complaints (Steve Winters) Alternative Carriers to US West For Dial Tone in 503 (someone@teleport.com) Question About Telephone Numbers (Aoife Morrissy) Bank Sued Over Client Data Sale (Monty Solomon) Re: To our MCI Mail Readers, Welcome Back (Hugh Pritchard) Seeking 'Telephone Techniques' Publication (Partners & Staff) Seeking Information on Camel Phase 3 (mamits_k@my-deja.com) Re: Phone Call Leads to NYC Police Conviction (Andrew Green) Re: Phone Call Leads to NYC Police Conviction (John B. Hines) Followup on The DuPage Seven (Riklef Flor) Implementation of VON/IP Technology (webnerd@beta.rwu.edu) Postal Telegraph and Cable Corporation (Daniel Brody) Re: Siemens 2420 Purchase - Any Thoughts? (Steve Winters) Re: Internet Regulatory Freedom Act (J.R. Phillips) Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular (Herb Stein) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J Sobol) Subject: Re: 10-Digit Dialing in Cleveland Date: 15 Jun 1999 22:19:02 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.INET On 14 Jun 1999 01:59:33 GMT, bob@cis.ysu.edu allegedly said: > I really wish these folks would cut up area codes once and make it > stick. We just went through a switch from 216 to 330 in 1996. When > splits/overlays are needed, why not split/add codes to last more than > just a couple of years?? It seems to me that the Youngstown area doesn't typically experience as much growth as Cleveland or Columbus or Akron. Maybe when they estimated how many new numbers would be needed, they underestimated?? Steve Sobol, President, North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.4NET sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net * www.NorthShoreTechnologies.net System Admin and Founding Member, FREE - http://www.spamfree.org ------------------------------ From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winters) Subject: Contact Info For Unsolicited FAX Complaints Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:45:19 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com OK, update. I have been receiving requests for the FCC contact info. I am talking with the FCC right now and am being advised that they prefer to receive complaints about unsolicited FAXes by mail. Please mail a cover letter stating that the person or company recieved an unsolicited FAX that contained an advertisement and that the person or company has no business or personal relationship to the sender of the FAX. Also please include the date and time of the FAX and be sure to include a copy of the FAX you are complaining about. Provide as much information as possible and send it as soon as possible. The address is: FCC Common Carrier Bureau Enforcement Consumer Protection Branch Room 5A863 Washington, DC 20554 Steve http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The problem is Steve, aren't these the people who get around to opening/reading their mail six or eight months after it arrives? By that point in time, the junk faxers might well be out of business and/or set up shop under a new name on the other side of the country. I had hoped, based on earlier messages in this thread, that the FCC might be a bit more responsive, but your statement that they 'prefer to receive things by mail' is not a good sign. Readers should also note that FCC can be contacted at their web site which is http://www.fcc.gov and I would suggest looking at that also. PAT] ------------------------------ From: someone@teleport.com Subject: Alternative Carriers to US West For Dial Tone in 503 Organization: As server security goes, it's as if NT wears a 'Kick me' sign. Reply-To: usbcpdx.teleport.com@teleport.com ( at ) ( dot ) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:02:59 GMT Now that US Worst is charging us for the number portability database (which Ross Perot's EDS is behind schedule on delivering, BTW), who else can I contract with for local dial tone in the (503) Portland Metro area (specifically, the area of the ATlantic exchange)? ------------------------------ From: amorrissy@altavista.net (Aoife Morrissy) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:32:37 EDT Subject: Question About Telephone Numbers Hi Patrick, I'm writing from Ireland where I am trying to do some research on telephone numbers and the theory behind what makes a "good" number versus a "bad" number. So far I haven't been able to find much information but I happened across your site and I thought I would just check to see if you would have any ideas? Any guidance would be gratefully appreciated. Kind regards, Aoife Morrissy amorrissy@altavista.net [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I think 'good' and 'bad' are subjective terms and depend on your intentions for the number. Years ago, numbers ending in two or three zeros, that is 'hundred' or 'thousand' were considered very desirable by many business places. Numbers consisting of repetitive digits, ie xxx-1515 or xxx-1212 are considered to be desirable by some. Businesses generally want easy to remember numbers. Numbers which can be translated into words are considered good, since they are usually easy to remember. Numbers consisting of all the same digit are helpful, such as the {Chicago Tribune} newspaper's classified advertising 'counselors' (another name for the person who takes your advertising request over the telephone); they have 312-222-2222. Judith Oppenheimer would agree that where toll-free numbers are concerned, having well-known, easily understood words and phrases made from number combinations is quite important, such as 800-FLOWERS. On the other hand, would you want to have 554-1212, 556-1212, or any number off by only a digit or perhaps by a digit transposed from that of a very popular, often-used number such as the local weather fore- cast or time of day message? The owners of some numbers which are repetitive digits often get plagued with 'wrong number' calls from people seeking a transposition of the same repetitive numbers, for example, 2141 might get a lot of calls from people seeking 4121. I do think your intended application is all-important here. I was once chatting with a friend who asked for the phone number to something. I looked it up and told him; it was something like 528-9037 and after hearing that, his response was, 'oooh! ick! how awful! ...' About 35 years ago, I had 312-RAVenswood-8-7425 which really spells PATRICK. And do you know, I did not catch that for about a month after the number had been assigned to me? I found out later the telco service rep from Illinois Bell who had assigned me my number had deliberatly picked it out as a joke on me. Then one day, a friend mentioned it to me and I looked at my number more closely, and thought back to the day I had ordered the service and my conversation with the rep. The exchange in Chicago known as 312-744 has a similar glorious history. It is exclusively an exchange used for City of Chicago muni- cipal government. Until the middle 1960's, when cord switchboards were in use by city government, City Hall was RANdolph-6-8000 and the Police Department administrative offices were WABash-2-4777. Police were cut over to centrex first, and a new exchange had to be started. In those days, police were often called the derogatory term 'pigs' and a very vocal anti-war (Vietnam) protestor who was employed by Illinois Bell as a central office technician cleverly selected the prefix 744 (guess what it spells!) for the new exchange. Nothing was said about it; no associations were made with the word, the exchange was started with police getting cut over first and then a couple months later the rest of City Hall offices. Once it was too late to do much about it, then the {Seed}, which was an 'underground' and anti-war newspaper of the time was pleased to announce that henceforth all city officials and police officers could be reached by telephone at their new direct dial numbers, which was simply PIG followed by the four digit extension they had used prior to the cutover. 'Just dial PIG-xxxx, where xxxx is the extension of the pig you wish to speak with. The main number for all pigs, if you want information is PIG-4000'. As it came to light, King Daley the First (the present mayor's father) insisted that 'we are not pigs, we are just regular people'. A few police officers had fun with it by answering their phones using the phrase 'oink oink' for a couple days until they were told by administrative fiat to cut it out. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:46:58 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Bank Sued Over Client Data Sale Deal sparks outcry over privacy violations By Kim S. Nash 06/14/99 The state of Minnesota last week sued U.S. Bank for allegedly selling Social Security numbers, account balances and other sensitive customer data to a telemarketing company in exchange for commissions. A federal official said last week that several other banks are hawking customer information, which raises serious privacy concerns. It also gives a boost to pending legislation, security and privacy experts said. http://www.computerworld.com/home/print.nsf/CWFlash/990614AE82 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:23 EDT From: Hugh Pritchard Subject: Re: To our MCI Mail Readers, Welcome Back Organization: MCI WorldCom > Some time ago, MCI Mail decided to block TELECOM Digest from delivery > to mcimail.com sites thinking that it was 'spam'. It was explained to > me by someone at wcom.com at 'one of our operators thought it was spam > and put a block on the Digest which has now been removed.' Even before WorldCom bought MCI, internal users of MCI Mail (domain name MCIMail.com) were being urged to use the newer, POP3-based service called Innermail, which had a domain name of MCI.com. A few months ago, someone decided that "MCI.com" just didn't reflect the true nature of MCI WorldCom, so the Innermail domain name was changed to WCom.com. Hugh.Pritchard@WCom.com (or 9007944@pageMCI.com to my pager) (703) 341-6995; page 1-888-900-7944; FAX (703) 341-9126 ------------------------------ From: Partners & Staff Subject: Seeking 'Telephone Techniques' Publication Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:30:43 -0600 Hello there, I was wondering if it is you who emails out the Telephone Techniques newsletters. We received them about 3 years ago and then stopped getting them. We are now interested in receiving them again. If you are the ones could you please put us on your mailing list. Our email address is bpp-ca@telusplanet.net. Thanks Colleen [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Sorry, not me. Maybe some readers might know where to find this publication, if it is still around. PAT] ------------------------------ From: mamits_k@my-deja.com Subject: Seeking Information on camel phase 3 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:06:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Anyone know the current status of camel phase 3 specification? Thanks. ------------------------------ From: Andrew Green Subject: Re: Phone Call Leads to NYC Police Conviction Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:16:03 -0500 Our Moderator notes: > Cruz was released and on investigating the 'evidence' a little > further, the claims made by the police officers totally fell apart. > Cruz filed suit, as to be expected, and the stench became so > bad after the {Chicago Tribune} started working on it that the > seven law enforcement guys had to be put on trial. [...] All > seven will likely be convicted. Pat, apparently you were out of town recently, or something ... Two of the defendants had the charges dropped by the judge at the conclusion of the prosecution's presentation, and the remainder were found Not Guilty at the conclusion of the trial. This happened about a week and a half ago. Andrew C. Green (312) 853-8331 Datalogics, Inc. 101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800 http://www.datalogics.com Chicago, IL 60606-7301 Fax: (312) 853-8282 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thanks for the update. I did not know about this. Aren't those the same guys who were complaining that they would recieve unfair treatment because of the coverage given by the {Chicago Tribune} and how the trial would have to be postponed indefinitly or else moved out of town because of the prejudice shown in the Tribune articles? For those unfamiliar with it, a week prior to the trial of the so-called 'Dupage Seven' -- the prosecutors and police officers on trial for their role in the Rolondo Cruz case -- the {Chicago Tribune} ran a five part, very lengthy, very detailed series in the paper on the subject of police and prosecutor misconduct in criminal cases in the Chicago area. They documented a dozen or more cases in which the state had to dismiss charges, or the defendant had to be released from prison -- usually death row -- once the lies (or to be kind, let's call them 'distortions of the truth') told by police officers under oath came to light, or when witnesses came forward to say that prosecutors had coached them how to get on the witness stand and lie. They summarized a dozen more cases. It seems of the several men released from death row last year in the USA, the majority or most were from northern Illinois. The Tribune also gave the names of the prosecutors and others involved in the travesties, and explained how for the most part they were still employed by the state as prosecutors, having gone unpunished. Oooh, did the manure hit the fan! This, a few days before the Dupage Seven were to go on trial. Attornies for the seven castigated the Tribune saying now the guys would never get a fair trial. The Tribune had a most appropriate response, saying, "Isn't that the way it is supposed to work? Isn't that why police officers and others come to our reporters and whisper in their ears about 'certain defendants' in the hopes the newspaper will print the whispers as truth and as a result generate community hostility against the defendant-of-the- day, thus removing any hope for a fair trial? It would never do to have a fair trial for someone who was innocent would it; the person might actually be found not guilty." Anyway Andy, are these the same seven guys who a few months ago were weeping and wailing and wringing their hands about how they would never get a fair trial now that the Tribune had screwed them over? PAT] ------------------------------ From: jhines@enteract.com (John B. Hines) Subject: Re: Phone Call Leads to NYC Police Conviction Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:10:22 GMT Organization: US Citizen, disabled with MS, speaking solely for myself. TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to Carl Moore: > Cruz was released and on investigating the 'evidence' a little further, > the claims made by the police officers totally fell apart. Cruz filed > suit, as to be expected, and the stench became so bad after the {Chicago > Tribune} started working on it that the seven law enforcement guys > had to be put on trial. After all these years, one cop is now the > Chief of Police in one of the suburbs, two of the prosecutors are > now private attornies, and one of the prosecutors is a judge. All > seven will likely be convicted. The case against two of them was kicked, after the prosecution failed to make a case in the judge's eye. The other five were aquitted of all charges, and later seen partying with the jurors after the case at a local restaurant. Cruz was blamed yet once again, that his lies and efforts to blame someone else was the problem. A civil suite is still pending, I think. The good ol' boy network is alive and well at the county courthouse here in DuPage County. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: (sarcastically) ... so I have heard. But Carl Moore explained it succinctly: when someone in the fraternity known as the 'corrections industry' falls short of the glory of Janet Reno, they have to be given professional courtesies from others in the same line of work. Somehow I don't think that Carl meant it quite like I am phrasing it however. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Riklef Flor Subject: Update on the DuPage Seven Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:03:18 -0500 PAT, Ok...you've probably gotten LOTS of replies back on this one already ... The DuPage 7 were acquitted of all charges two weeks ago. The defense did a fairly good job of showing that Rolando Cruz is a pathological liar, and that no one is exactly sure what the real story is. For the most part, though, I agree with you ... the poor kid has gone through the ringer ... and the fact is ... he was acquitted. Leave the poor guy alone. Of course, the Nicario family will continue their witch-hunt ... which is a sad thing. Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled TELECOM Digest Keep up the good work! Rik [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Mr. and Mrs. Nicario were the parents of the six-year old girl who was raped and murdered now some fifteen or more years ago. They *thought* the matter was resolved and that there would finally be closure when Rolando Cruz was sent to death row. Their living hell began the day their daughter Jeannie was missing. It was abated or mitigated somewhat when days later, the youngster's naked body was found dumped in a deserted area and they realized that at least the child was now safe from further harm; that the child would realize no further pain and suffering. Over five years they went through two trials for Cruz, both of which ended with a higher court ruling there had been a mistrial, and ordering it to start all over. The *third* time the state brought Cruz to trial, a dozen or so years after the first trial -- itself a couple years after the offense had occurred -- Cruz was released. Then a few months later the officials involved were put on trial. Jeannie Nicaro's parents had to deal with all this, as well as an unrelated man in prison (Brian Dugan) who mocked them publicly and said he would confess to the crime (he is a likely suspect) only on the condition the state would not seek the death penalty. Since it is difficult and has little effect to further punish someone already in prison, and since the prosecutors were out for blood, they ignored Dugan's con- fession and put Cruz on trial a third time. In the midst of these events last year, you may recall the twelve year old girl in Chicago who was raped and murdered. She was found by the two children (were they seven and eight years old?) who then were themselves accused of the crime and newspapers around the world headlined the next day that 'two youngest killers ever in history' had been arrested in Chicago. Within a couple days, 'evidence' the police had gathered was exposed as a total sham, and the two young 'accused killers' were advised by their attorney to never, ever speak to a police officer again about the case. As a result, the the only possible hopes the police might have had for solving the crime (the kids had seen an older person nearby) vanished when the kids were taught 'police officers will lie about you if you give them a chance'. That crime is still unsolved also. Like the message sent by 'the Baker Family' yesterday said, just call me a bitter old man, frustrated by my own lack of accomplishments in life. I would not wish living in Chicago on anyone, and certainly not the 'Chicago style of justice'. Its time for more telecom stuff. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:12:22 -0400 From: webnerd@beta.rwu.edu Subject: Implementation of VON/IP Technology Could I request more discussion regarding real world implementation of VON/IP technology? Pat, Keep up the good work ! \/\/eb/\/erd [Bitter old man replies: Sure, you can request whatever you like around here. I do not charge anything extra for people who wish to make requests. If other Nerds see your request and wish to act on it, no doubt my mailbox tomorrow will dictate what the content of the Digest for the day after that will be. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Daniel Brody Subject: Postal Telegraph and Cable Corporation Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:53:00 -0400 Dear Editor, I have been researching a company called "Postal Telegraph and Cable Corporation" to see what has come of the organization. I have found some information about a company called Postal Telegraph Co. but I do not know if they are one in the same. Please let me know if you have heard of "Postal Telegraph and Cable Corporation" and if you have any knowledge of what happened to this early telecommunications corporation. Please respond to: ADBrody@Erols.com Thank you. Sincerely, Daniel Brody [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am pretty sure they were one and the same. When this company was discussed here a few weeks ago, John Levine provided information about them going out of business and merging with Western Union in 1943. Perhaps if this is not correct, John will give a followup. PAT] ------------------------------ From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winters) Subject: Re: Siemens 2420 Purchase - Any Thoughts??? Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:45:08 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com Robert spake thusly and wrote: > Given your distance requirements, you might consider a new digital > cordless telephone system that has a range of 5 miles in open terrain, > and over 11 floors through an office building. We distribute this new > product and you can find an image and details on our web site at: We also carry that phone system at www.sellcom.com While the EnGenius SN-900 Ultra has the longest range of anything we have tried, the 5 mile part is a bit of a stretch for any "real-world" application that I am aware of. I would like to see an "honest" rating system for cordless phone systems, maybe like the car gas ratings of "city" and "highway". Steve http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM ------------------------------ From: j.r.phillips@uk.pwcglobal.com Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:44:22 +0200 Subject: Internet Regulatory Freedom Act I am interested in any opinion about the recent bill introducted in the Senate called the Internet Regulatory Freedom Act. ------------------------------ From: herb@herbstein.com (Herb Stein) Subject: Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:11:30 GMT Organization: newsread.com ISP News Reading Service (http://www.newsread.com) There doen't seem to a a problem getting flat-rate service in St. Louis either. Residential or business. In article , hillary@hillary.net (Hillary Gorman) wrote: > aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) writes: >> Absolute total nonsense. Flat-rate billing plans for landline phones >> in the largest market in the US were a thing of the past almost 30 >> years ago, and do not exist now. Even when New York Telephone offered > Well, someone better tell Bell Atlantic. They're apparently unaware of > this fact, and are offering flat-rate local or metropolitan-area > calling plans here in tropical Philadelphia, PA (as well as in some of > our more temperate suburbs). Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 215-3584 ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #151 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jun 16 18:34:19 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA26766; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906162234.SAA26766@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #152 TELECOM Digest Wed, 16 Jun 99 18:34:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 152 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US (Doug Reuben) Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular (Mark Crispin) Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular (Mike Desmon) Question About CEPT Signal (Alonzo Alcazar) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 765 Junction City, KS 66441-0765 Phone: 415-520-9905 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe/unsubscribe: subscriptions@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. URL information: http://telecom-digest.org Anonymous FTP: hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives (or use our mirror site: ftp.epix.net/pub/telecom-archives) Email <==> FTP: telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org Send a simple, one line note to that automated address for a help file on how to use the automatic retrieval system for archives files. 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Please request a free catalog today at http://www.sandman.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help is important and appreciated. A suggested donation of twenty dollars per year per reader is considered appropriate. See our address above. Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dsr1@interpage.net (Doug Reuben) Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:35:22 EDT In article was written: > Except that in the US cell phone coverage is very poor. I still > haven't figured out why, and I'm hoping someone here knows the answer. > I was just in Canada, and I drove for three hours from Toronto to > Thousand Islands, and I have five bars of signal on my (digital) phone > for the whole trip. The second I crossed the border into the US, I > lost the signal. I've travelled in Israel, Norway (100 miles north of > the artic circle!), Geneva, and London, and seen five bars of signal > almost everywhere. But here in the US, I can't drive from Boston to > NY without losing signal. This is obviously not a technology problem. > What politicial or economic forces are making it impossible to create > a good digital phone network in the US? (I would add that even when I > >have< signal, as often as not I can't receive calls when roaming on > AT&T.) I'd actually omit the "digital" :) And the AT&T Digital One Rate "failed" Call-delivery problem is well-known; see below. Although I agree you have an exceedingly valid point (and I'm glad someone else has observed this), the areas you are comparing may not best serve to exemplify the assertion that coverage outside the US is much more seamless and integrated than it is here. I'm not sure exactly where you were, but the topography in Ontario just north of the US border (and Quebec for that matter) is mainly level, while shortly after you cross into the US (eg, a bit south of the Thousand Islands, and very much so from Quebec to Vermont) you start getting some hills and mountains, etc. Not that this should make a difference, but is likely that covering the relatively flat expanse just north of the border between Toronto and Quebec is a bit easier than covering the somewhat hillier terrain of northern New York and Vermont. That being said, there are a number of reasons I can think of why coverage is comparatively poor in the US as compared to elsewhere: 1. The US system was initially designed around 3-watt mobile phones mounted in cars or used as transmobile phones. As a result, early network architecture and investment into plant and equipment was based around this model, and even after 11 years, many systems still reflect this mode of thinking (for example, Cell One/VT 00313 has an excellent system covering a variety of challenging areas, but their system is still optimized for 3-watt phpnes and has terrible handoff problems with handheld .6 watt phones. They do NOT offer digital service despite their promotions offering a "digital" airtime plan -- the digital means nothing, it is just a sales ploy.) 2. The US system was apportioned into many small systems, so that geographically interrelated areas can and frequently are served by different (and sometimes competing) carriers. For example, the NY Metro "A" market is served by ATTWS (00025) and Bell Atlantic in CT (00119). But Bell Atlantic is also the "B" carrier who competes directly with ATTWS in the NY 00025/00022 market. As a result, they don't always cooperate on things. For example, handoffs between the two systems are generally poor, and you can't travel far between the two systems without being dropped. This is not a technical problem, but a business decision on the parts of ATTWS/BAMS. In order for a mobile to hand off from one carrier's switch to another, there needs to be a T-1 or some other communications link between the two switches. ATTWS has many switches in NY, yet BAMS only connects to a few of them. Thus, a call initiated in CT which roams into NY will initially be handed off into one of the ATTWS NY switches, but shortly after ingressing further into ATTWS's territory, it will drop since BAMS does not connect to more "distant" ATTWS switches. They are both aware of this, and have *opted* not to do anything about it, yet there is no *technical* reason why calls can't hand off all the way. Indeed, if you initiated a call in the NY market right before crossing into CT, and you hand off to CT successfully, you can proceed far into CT since only one switch covers you for quite a while in BAMS's CT A market. 3. Digital also has its problems ... if I am using my CDMA phone on the BAMS Boston 00028 system, and drive down I-84 to CT to (hopefully) hand off to the SNET/B 00088 system, the digital signal should drop to analog so it can hand off (in analog) to SNET's system (SNET doesn't use CDMA). But this never happens, and instead, the call degrades to the point that it drops. If both SNET and BAMS used CDMA this may not be a problem, but since SNET uses TDMA and BAMS CDMA, the handoff issue is trickier, and neither carrier has really spent the time to try to get it to work. (If you put your phone in analog mode BEFORE you make/receive a call, and then commence a call before you hand off it *will* work, but the protocol to hand off from CDMA to analog doesn't seem to either exist or work between the two carriers. At the very least, BAMS should drop the call to analog before it hits SNET, but CDMA has this annoying (although sometimes useful for other reasons of system differentiation) habit of always going for the CDMA signal, even if it is too weak to carry on a conversation, despite a siginificantly stronger analog signal being present. But if a CDMA signal can be "downgraded" to an analog within a given system (which it can and regularly does when you leave the CDMA area), the same can be done right before you hand off to another non-CDMA system; SNET and BAMS just haven't done this yet. 4. There are many areas of the country where there are only 2 wireless carriers (ie, the A and B carriers) and no PCS or other competition like Nextel or Sprint. As a result, the A and B carriers are very happy to sit on their relatively high airtime rates and roamer fees and basically do little to build out their systems other than what is required by the FCC to keep their licenses (although this duopolisitc lethargy is getting harder to come by because even these carriers see the writing on the wall and realize they won't have a duopoly forever). In some markets, there is only one carrier with any real coverage, such as along US-7 in CT where ATTWS, which owns a small piece of northwestern CT, has superior coverage over SNET, so if you want cellular coverage along that corridor, you need to go with AT&T -- there is no other wireless carrier with service in that area. Where the duoploy (or the even worse monopoly situation) still exists, there frequently is no incentive to put towers where revenue is anything less than optimal, and many carriers, either strapped for cash or just dumb and not forward-looking don't spend the time to worry about gaps in their network. 5. Tower siting is also a big issue here -- in some states, like NY, every little town (as it currently stands) can make rules governing tower siting and placement. Just to get a new tower up takes over a year if you are lucky, and if there is some objection or someone from the local town board doesn't want a tower on top of a hill because it ruins his sunrise view 2 days out of the year when the sun is directly aligned with the tower, well, he can stall the process for months. (Recently BAMS got final approval to put a tower up along the NY-22 in Dover, NY, after about 3 years of fighting with the town board ... This is only ONE tower covering maybe 6 miles of NY-22 ... NY is a big state ... imagine what they have to go through to get their entire territory covered ...). NY State is making some progress by trying to reconcile the interests of landowners with *legitimate* (non-Not-In-My-Back-Yard) siting concerns with new legislation designed to streamline and codify the process, but there are still plenty of states like CT with thier zoning bodies such as the CT Siting Board which make it VERY difficult to put up new towers. I've even noticed in areas of LA there are towers much shorter than you see elsewhere and shorter than one would expect would be needed for optimal performance, perhaps as a eslut of local ordinances restricting tower hieght. Obviously there are some legitimate siting concerns, but having this hodge-podge of rules and ordinances from one city to another all over the country makes it very difficult to plan ahead for coverage if you don't know how many towers you will need from a given company if some town board will come back and say "Oh, the new one you are putting up, well, it must look like a pine tree and be no more than 150 feet tall" (take a look at the Garden State Parkway just north of the I-287 JCT by about 5 miles ... there's a weird looking "tree" there on the northbound side.) 6. Roamer gouging: In many cases, carriers see other carrier's customers as mobile expense accounts, which can be charged as needed to supplement subscriber revenue. In Canada, Bell operates most of the B network in eastern Canada, and Cantel/ATT the A network. They have an incentive to make sure they their switches talk to each other, that handoffs work well as you drive from system to system in their networks, and have central means to coordinate and remedy problem reports (or so they say :) ) which is not common in the US with its fragmented market. Roaming is not oriented as much towards revenue generation as it is to keeping customers on YOUR network. In the US it is a little bit different :). Carriers see roaming outside of their networks as money making opportunities, and are much less concerned with seamless handoffs, feature interoperability, call delivery, etc., as they are optimizing roaming prices, or in cases like Southwestern Bell's Cell One Boston 00007 system, charging YOUR OWN CUSTOMERS $4 per month each time they roam! Other carriers provide roaming services to the extent that it (apparently) suits their purposes, forgetting that the customer's functionality and utility which he derives from the phone is (or should be) they key issue. For example, ATTWS/NY Digital One Rate customers generally can't receive calls when in the Boston or ComCast/NJ markets and outside of the Digital One Rate area (ie, while roaming on networks other than AT&T but "near" areas where AT&T has its own towers). Callers just get a busy signal or go to voicemail (I've tried this and verified this with two 917 ATTWS/NY digital one rate numbers, and the results are the same -- callers either get a busy signal or go right to voicemail, even though the phone is on and roaming very well in analog mode and outgoing calls work fine. This may be important for AT&T customers (and perhaps to ATTWS, although they save money with this system so perhaps they secretly approve of this "problem"), but to Comcast and Cell One/Boston it's not a major issue and it takes quite a while to gather up the right people at ATTWS and their counterparts at ComCast and CO/Boston and try to get the matter resolved. 7. US Customers are more interested in price, or rather competition in some of the major markets has focused the primary consumer issue on price rather than quality of service, despite the carriers' ads promoting their own networks as superior. Take Sprint PCS for example: Absolutely horrible coverage and very poor service in the areas which they do cover. I've been dropped so many times in LA, NY, Boston and DC on my Sprint CDMA phone that I'm just used to it. In the same areas, I am rarely, if ever dropped on my analog phone, and sometimes dropped on my CDMA phone. (IMO, CDMA digital is pathetic for most applications, and BAMS and GTE and/or Qualcomm have still not figured out a way to stop drops in perfect coverage areas ... the phone will just drop even though you are right near a tower ... not to mention all the other problems associated with CDMA when coverage chracter- istics aren't as good.) Yet people flock to Sprint ... Why? For probably the same reason I did: A package of services for one low price, same price anywhere in their markets in the US, first incoming minute free, no long distance/toll delivery charge, etc. In other words, I don't feel as if I am being nickle-and-dimed by Sprint like I do with so many other carriers, such as Bell Atlantic for "toll delivery" charges within their own system. So I use my Sprint phone to get calls, and the important ones I transfer to my other accounts where needed. It appears then that customers in the US, either by conditioning or out of mere frugality, are more interested and thus sensitive to pricing than service quality. Otherwise, how could one explain why Sprint, which really doesn't work outside of major metro areas (unless you roam and pay $.69 per minute) and in these areas coverage is so poor and sound quality laughable, can obtain so many customers so quickly. (And Sprint in many markets, including NY, Boston, and most BAMS markets, is NOT the least expensive carrier; it is just marketed as such an appeals to people tired of the nickle-and-diming behavior of some of the cellular carrier ... NO ONE after using a Sprint phone keeps the service becuase the voice quality is better! ;) ) In general, the US system is comprised of many small satrapies of frequently bickering, petty, carriers who due to either their own shortsightednes, regulatory, or financial concerns are unwilling or unable to make improvements to their own networks or to reach out to other carriers and form regional "alliances". This in turn results in the comparatively poor quality of coverage in some markets and poor integration between systems. In the long run, when carriers like AT&T, BAMS/GTE, Sprint and Nextel cover significantly larger footprints in the US, these other "non-alligned" carriers may begin to finally take note and stop trying to gouge for revenue and otherwise ignore each other's customers and work together to form wide-area, ubiquitous and seamless networks to compete effectively with the larger carriers. While I am not suggesting they communally form a large entity in which they each become immersed and lose their local identity, there will be little reason for me to maintain an account with Cell One/VT (00313, Atlantic Cellular) for use in Vermont, if and when Bell Atlantic builds out its system them and provides seamless coverage (handoffs, etc) to the Boston, CT, and Albany markets. The same will be true for people residing in those areas: Why use Cell One VT, which will limit your use of its phone (ie, fixed number of romaing minutes) outside of its market when you can just as well use Bell Atlantic, and, by virtue of it's ultimately controlling a large chunk of the east coast market (to a greater extent than it currently does), will be able to offer its customers home / unlimited use of its entire network and much more seamless coverage as compared to its competitors. And this is not to say that Cell One/VT is not a good carrier -- quite the opposite is true. Cell One/VT covers some very challenging areas, and generally does so quite well. Yet if a Cell One/VT customer roams to New Hampshire's seacoast, considerably higher per minute charges will apply, regardless of any roaming plan (which offers a limited number of included minutes). Should Bell Atlantic build out its VT system, and acquire the relatively small and obscure US Cellular 01484 system covering southern VT and NH, it will have a network comparable to Cell One/VT AND be able to leverage all of its properties in Albany (00078), Boston (00028), CT/Western Mass (00119), and Manchester (00428), as well as the rest of its network (possibly augmented by the GTE properties) to offer (hopefully) seamless coverage and same rate servic, which Cell One/VT, under the currently limited intercarrier regime, could only offer by "eating" the charges of the roaming carriers it works with in the same areas and subjecting it to large amounts of cost exposure in terms of its paying for Cell One/VT customers to roam on other networks, a cost BAMS will not have to incur (since it will own all of the system involved). But back to the main question, there are many reasons why coverage and interconnectivity suffer in the US as compared to other countries, and I've tried to outline my thoughts on the issue above. In terms of what can be done, I think it is more than just a series of technical fixes between carriers or in a given carrier's home market. Neddless to say these are needed and will be taken care of, if not because the FCC requires that a given percentage of a licenses coverage area be covered within 5 years, then because customers demand it. But more globally, seeing that customers primary interest in a carrier appears to be based more on price than anything else, farsighted local carriers, if they intend to be in business 10 years from now, will start *now* to work on building regional relationships where they do not gouge each others roamers and where they work together to build seamless networks *before* Sprint, Nextel, AT&T, and the plethora of other regional and nationwide lisencees come into their territory and steal away the best, highest spending, least customer support intensive customers. Because as soon as I can get the same coverage with AT&T Digital PCS or Sprint of Bell Atlantic in a given market (Vermont for example), I have the benefit on unlmited airtime off peak (Bell Atlantic), or free incoming minutes with no toll delivery charge (Sprint) or..well, I don't know what's with AT&T..they don't like giving unlimited things :(, and don't suffer the restircitions that I do with a Cell One/VT account in terms of roaming or paying a premium (either up front or when the bill comes in an itemized manner) to roam, I'll drop my Cell One/VT account so I have one less account to worry about and one fewer phone to carry on trips. Many carriers will say these aren't important issues to their customers, and that they wish to concentrate on building their own system and not worrying about interconnect since most of their customers stay in one area. I question this assertion -- mobile phones are exactly that -- mobile, and people tend to drive and visit other friends or conduct business, etc. over increasingly larger areas. In many cases they may not use their phone outside their local area for months, but when they do, and get socked by high charges or get dropped on an important business call as they hand off from one system to another, they will complain, and if an alternative is available, opt for that instead. Moreover, fostering a greater degree of integration between carriers and offering reciprocal airtime rates is probably one of the lowest cost ways for carriers to keep their customers; it doesn't require an entirely new technical solution or massive investments into new equipment. The cost of T-1's between switches, or retuning towers to optimize inter-system handoffs, or reworking billing arrangements to offer roamers from visiting carriers the same rates as home (even unlimited off peak or special toll plans) is considerably less than building even one new tower or opening a few customer service centers, and has system-wide implications. Yet it is rare to see smaller MSA or most RSAs care too much about this on anything else the the most traveled routes or areas where there is high intersystem traffic (and even in many cases where there is these issues are ignored, such as between BAMS and 360/Altell along I-80 and I-78 in PA, or the "A" carriers along I-80, etc.) (Note this lack of integration and reasonable roaming is also, IMO, hurting the CDPD Digital Wireless IP services which carriers like BAMS, ATTWS, Vanguard, GTE, etc., offer ... the minute you roam off of their networks and onto another carrier you can rack up packet charges very quickly. This is a service which if all the carriers offered at some unlimited flat rate natiownide could serve to bring in new customers to a service which supplements (and generally does not detract from) cellular revenue, yet the carriers penny-wise pound-foolish attitude and application of the cellular model to this service has handicapped it from the outset.) One would hope that the carriers serving such areas begin to see the light and remedy some of the issues that the initial poster promulgated with his questions before the natiownide lisencees come to their respective areas and either run the locals out of business or relegate them (by drying up new subscriber growth and feeding off of churn) to second rate carriers focusing on limited local regions for specialized (and likely low margin) applications. Regards, (This post and updated SID list are also available at www.wirelessnotes.org) Doug Reuben / Interpage(TM) Network Services Inc. / http://www.interpage.net dsr1@interpage.net +1 (617) 696-8000 (510) 315-2750 ------------------------------ From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:43:09 -0700 Organization: Networks & Distributed Computing aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) writes: > Absolute total nonsense. Flat-rate billing plans for landline phones > in the largest market in the US were a thing of the past almost 30 > years ago, and do not exist now. Even when New York Telephone offered > "flat-rate" service back in the 60's, the area served was not a large > geographic expanse. The only flat-rate landline service I've > encountered in the past 25 years of reading and auditing phone bills > has been in GTE or Rochester Telephone territories where the carrier > chose not to install sufficiently sophisticated equipment to to pick > up and calculate the charges. Every RBOC I've encountered used a > graduated method for charging local calls, but NONE were open-ended > flat-rate. That's strange. With the exception of the People's Republic of New York City, I've never encountered a locale in the US which didn't have flat rate billing. I always thought that the lack of flat rate in the PRNYC was typical rip-off of New Yawkahs whose knowledge of the outside world effectively ends at the Hudson River ... something about there being cows in Joisey. In those areas that I have encountered which offer both flat rate and measured billing, the RBOC won't let you put measured billing on a line if any of your other lines are flat rate. Measuring billing seems to be offered solely as a means of providing inexpensive dial tone to low-income individuals who place few calls. As for the size of flat rate calling areas, my significant other lives over an hour away by car, on the other side of a major body of water and in a different county. Yet, we're in each other's flat rate calling area. Our flat rate calling areas are growing in size, and now incorporate multiple LOCs in multiple area codes. [Special memo to New Yawkahs: you live in the greatest place in the world. You don't want to visit any place else, and you especially don't want to move there. There is nothing outside but desolate wilderness. Those places let people have guns, not like NYC where everybody is safe. No need to go there. Stay home.] -- Mark -- * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:00:00 -0700 From: Mike Desmon Reply-To: mdesmon@gate.net Organization: Cybergate Subject: Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) writes: >> cell-phone numbers are mixed in with local landline numbers. There is >> no way to look at a phone number in this country and tell if it's a >> cellphone. And that's exactly the way the cell phone companies here >> like it ... Actually, CO Finder will tell you. Enter the NPA-NXX and it will tell you who the carrier is, what rate center it's in, etc. It's a pretty good program. ------------------------------ From: alcazar3@my-deja.com (Alonzo Alcazar) Subject: Question About CEPT Signal Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:47:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. What is a CEPT signal? Alonzo ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #152 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jun 17 12:26:24 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA29775; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906171626.MAA29775@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #153 TELECOM Digest Thu, 17 Jun 99 12:26:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 153 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson It's Time to Register For MobiCom'99 (Jason Redi) Internet Access Thru Cable (Raymond D. Mereniuk) 503 Overlay / Lockheed Martin? (Someone) 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? (Jim Van Nuland) Low Cost Calling Card For Visiting Expat (David Vinograd) Re: Qwest and US West (Brett Frankenberger) Re: Qwest and US West (Jin Hwang) Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular (Adam H. Kerman) Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular (Steven J. Sobol) Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US (Steven J. Sobol) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE Technically Co-sponsored by the IEEE Communications Society In cooperation with ACM SIGCOMM, SIGOPS, SIGMETRICS, and SIGMOD; the USENIX Association; the IEICE; and the IEE + Supported by the following leading-edge companies + American Mobile, Bell Atlantic Mobile, GTE / BBN Technologies, BellSouth, Compaq Research, CUE, Harris Semiconductor / Prism, IBM Research, Infowave, Lucent Technologies, Microsoft Research, Nettech Systems, Proxim, SmartServ, Symbol, WAP Forum, Wireless Knowledge, and Xerox CONFERENCE BACKGROUND 1999 marks the fifth (and best!) year of the MobiCom Conference Series. We have done much to make this last MobiCom of the century a memorable affair for all attendees. Please allow us to share some of the noteworthy achievements for this year's event. 1) MobiCom '99 has set an all time record in the number of papers it received for review. We received 170 submissions this year, beating '95 by 121%, '96 by 91%, '97 by 69% and '98 by 15%. The task of identifying the best-of-the-best was challenging. 2) MobiCom '99 received the highest number of tutorial proposals ever, up 184% from last year. The quality of these proposals and the qualification of the instructors was remarkable. 3) MobiCom '99 is being endorsed by a record number of professional organizations from all over the world. Several organizations are cooperating with MobiCom for the first time like the IEE (UK), the IEICE (Japan), the USENIX Association (US) and the ACM SIGMOD (US). 4) A record number of corporations are financially supporting this year's conference and a record number are participating in an exhibition that we are trying out for the first time. All of this gives a clear indication of the strength of this year's program, and of the continued excitement in the field. SOME HIGHLIGHTS The main program consists of nine paper sessions and two panel sessions. The paper sessions are single-track, while each of the panel sessions consists of two parallel panels. This will allow you to attend all paper presentations and two of the four panels. This year: 1) We are introducing a new "Next Century Challenges" session with five visionary papers on the future of mobile computing and wireless networking. Details available at http://mobicom99.research.microsoft.com/tp.htm 2) We are offering the highest number of tutorials ever. After careful deliberation and thought we have picked a total of 8 tutorials covering a gamut of topics useful to you whether you are a novice or an expert in this field. T1. Understanding the Wireless Physical Layer and its Impact on Other Layers - Magda El Zarki, UPenn. T2. Understanding Code Mobility - Gian Pietro Picco, Washington University at St. Louis T3. Wireless Ad Hoc Networking Protocols - David A. Maltz and Josh Broch, CMU T4. Mobile IP and Mobile Networking in the Internet - David B. Johnson, CMU, and Charles E. Perkins, SUN Microsystems T5. Designing Energy Efficient Mobile Systems - - Mani B. Srivastava, UCLA T6. Multicast Communications Over Wireless Networks - - Upkar Varshney, Georgia State Univ. T7. TCP for Wireless and Mobile Hosts - Nitin H. Vaidya, Texas A&M University T8. Wide Area Wireless Data Communications - - Satyajit P. Doctor and Jennifer Yin, Award Solutions Detailed descriptions are provided at: http://mobicom99.research.microsoft.com/tutorials.htm 3. We have organized a record number of cutting-edge workshops that are co-located with MobiCom 99: W1. Data Engineering for Wireless and Mobile Access (MobiDE)'99 W2. Discrete Algorithms and Methods for Mobile Computing and Communications (Dial M) '99, W3. Wireless Mobile Multimedia (WoWMoM) '99 W4. Modeling and Simulation of Wireless & Mobile Systems (MSWiM)'99. Information about these workshops can be found in http://mobicom99.research.microsoft.com/workshops.htm 4. We have organized four panels on topics that are timely and with panelist who are passionate about these subjects. P1. Global Satellite Communication Networks P2. Future of Local area Networks P3. Electronic Books P4. Wearable Computers Information about these panels and the panelist can be found in http://mobicom99.research.microsoft.com/panel.htm 5. We will have a corporate exhibition area, where you can see the latest mobile communication products and services first-hand and find out about breakthroughs in mobile networks, systems and applications. You can meet with the people and companies who are designing and developing the new mobile systems and setting the standards. Information on MobiCom '99 supporters is available at: http://mobicom99.research.microsoft.com/workshops.htm SOCIALS Several interesting social events in nice settings are part of this year's Conference: S1. Monday Evening (August 16, 1999) Chairman's Welcome Reception Join the organizing team in an informal setting also browse the exhibition area S2. Tuesday Evening (August 17, 1999) Student/Faculty Get Together This will be a three hour cruise of the Puget Sound, with food and spirits provided S3 Wednesday Evening (August 18, 1999) Conference Dinner Banquet Join your colleagues at the Space Needle (a landmark of some significance for Seattle) for some lively entertainment and dinner In addition to the above, we will be providing conference luncheons to all attendees on all three days of the conference. Lunch will also be provided to people attending the workshops on Friday and to those attending the full-day tutorials on Sunday and Monday. LOCATION The conference will be held at the beautiful state of art Bell Harbor International Conference Center -- this is one of the finest conference facilities in all of Washington. Check out the URL. http://www.bellharbor.org/index.html REGISTRATION Thus, don't delay and register today for MobiCom '99. It is THE conference to attend. With a great location, Seattle, Washington, in the heart of downtown, you can't ask for anything more. We look forward to seeing you there. Important URL http://mobicom99.research.microsoft.com/registration.htm Important Dates: July 23, 1999 -- MobiCom '99 and Hotel Registration discounts end August 1, 1999 -- Early registration for MobiCom '99 ends. ------------------------------ From: Raymond D. Mereniuk Organization: FBN Technical Services Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:12:41 -0800 Subject: Internet Access Thru Cable A few years ago no one wanted anything to do with Internet on cable and many said it would be a failure. Now that it is proving to be successful everyone wants a piece of it. I believe the cable operators should be given the privilege of another five to ten years of exclusive operation of their system before they are forced to open it to other service providers. The Telcos had a pretty good run with no competition, why shouldn't the Cablecos have the same treatment? AOL and the other whining ISPs who bet their future on Internet over circuit switched voice quality facilities should suffer the consequences of their previous bad decisions. If the Telcos had the vision they could have invested resources in building high bandwidth pipes to their users many years ago, the technology was available, they knew it had to be done, but they close to do nothing. What good would it do me to allow AOL onto the cable system? Maybe they will made ADSL or some other DSL technology work in the near future. It would be great if the consumer had a true choice in high-speed Internet service providers. The cable company gives me high-speed Internet access for $40/month, so damn cheap competition is not required. And, their service is not that bad either! I frequent websites where I get fast response. If the site is too slow I don't bother to go back much. If UUNET will not peer with @Home and I get poor response going to a UUNET hosted website I will not go back. The UUNET customer loses business and if they care they will either force UUNET to peer with @Home or they will go find a new bandwidth provider which gives @Home customers good website responses. The free market system will work, it just takes time. Plus, I have a choice, if I don't like @Home I can get another ISP. Virtually, Raymond D. Mereniuk Raymond@fbn.bc.ca "The Ultimate Enterprise Security Experts" http://www.fbn.bc.ca/sysecurt.html ------------------------------ From: Someone Subject: 503 Overlay / Lockheed Martin? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:04:00 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's I get copies of US West Network Disclosures in the mail all the time. I noticed that when #439 arrived, regarding the 971 NPA overlay in Oregon's NPA 503, it began, "On May 14, 1999 Lockheed Martin announced implementation of area code relief for the 503 NPA in the State of Oregon." Attached to this usual announcement, with its usual US West logo, was a three-page attachment on Lockheed Martin letterhead, and the contact is a Lockheed person in D.C. What's the deal with that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:11:23 PDT From: Jim Van Nuland Subject: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? My area code 408 (San Jose, Calif) is getting an overlay soon, and we'll all be dialing many digits. I understand why I'll need to dial the new (overlay) code when calling a number in that area, but why the need to dial my own area code when *not* calling out of it? Is this not exactly analogous to calling (say) to another state? Seems to me that the same trigger (the 1-) would distinguish between my own (no 1-) and the other (1-xxx) area. So why is it mandatory? --Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:48:33 GMT From: David Vinograd Reply-To: d.r.vinograd@city.ac.uk Subject: Low Cost Calling Card For Visiting Expat People, Perhaps you can help. We live in London and get back to the US two or three times a year. While we are there I like to call friends etc and do so using my combined ATT credit and calling card. But the rates are silly - $6 for a ten minute call from Boston to Portland, ME. Can you suggest any other way to do this with the following constraints: * No min or monthly charge; * Not tied to a US phone number as we do not have one; * Must be usable from public and private (friends) phone; Thanks, David Vinograd mailto:D.R.Vinograd@city.ac.uk Director of Computing Services http://www.city.ac.uk/~sh392 City University, Northampton Square Phone +44-171-477-8170 London EC1V 0HB, England FAX +44-171-477-8565 ------------------------------ From: brettf@netcom.com (Brett Frankenberger) Subject: Re: Qwest and US West Organization: Netcom Online Services, Inc. Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:25:33 GMT In article , Wulf Losee wrote: > Regarding Qwest's hostile bid for US West: Hmmm, there's more here > than meets the eye, I think. > Fact: Qwest is making a big push for voice over IP services. > Fact: US West's long distance revenue dropped off 15 percent last > quarter! (That will be very very painful to them if that trend keeps > up). > Fact: Qwest saves a lot of money on Internet phone calls, because as > an "ISP" they don't have to settle up with the local players (i.e. US > West). False. It doesn't matter what you call yourself or whether your backbone carries voice as IP packets, ATM cells, circuit switched TDM bit streams, or anything else. If you terminate a voice call from a LEC and carry it across LATA boundaries, you pay access ("settle up") period. Qwest's general Long Distance offering "settles up" just like any other carrier. (In fact, in at least some cases, their Long Distance offering carries calls on circuit switches -- IP isn't even involved.) > Fact: US West is making lots of waves with FCC to mandate that long > distance carriers who use "packet switching protocols" be forced to > cough up interconnection fees to the local players. (Hmmm, sounds like > an attack on Qwest's modus vivendi). False. The protocol on the backbone doesn't impact access ("interconnection fees"). Now, if you make a modem call to a local ISP, and then, within that modem data stream, send packets that correspond to voice, and those packets happen to transit LATA boundaries, there is no requirement that anyone pay access. But that's completely separate from Qwest's LD offering, and it never applies to "Direct-dialed" long distance -- only to people who want to dial an ISP, packetize their voice themselves, and make their own arrangements for getting it unpacketized on the other end. The FCC, incidentally, isn't much interested in these arguments anyway. It first surfaced many years ago when LECs claimed that the packet networks of the day were IXCs and should pay access -- this gave rise to the "modem tax" rumors. The FCC didn't agree. They tried again once VoIP became viable (for low-quality definitions of viable). They lost again. > CONCLUSION: Qwest wants to, (A) either buy up US West lock stock and > barrel to shut down their yapping, On the theory that no other LECs would ever yap about this, even though they are similarly situated to U S West!? > or (B) they'll be willing to withdraw their hostile offer if US West > makes some concessions. Personally, I think its the former reason > (A). Especially since US West, which has been unable to sell > long-distance services to areas outside its region, but could do so > (under current FCC regs) if it were via those dang "packet switching > protocols". Again, not really true. You only get special exemptions for "those dang packet switching protocols" if the end user does the packetization and depacketization. If the call is made from a POTS line to a POTS line, voice the whole way, it's treated as a plain-old-long-distance-call, with the same regulations and same access charges. Heck, Stratacom (and others) have been selling commerically viable, toll-quality, voice packet (cell) switches for a long time. If all Sprint or MCI or ATT had to do to avoid access was install such things, no one would be paying access these days ... - Brett (brettf@netcom.com) ... Coming soon to a | Brett Frankenberger .sig near you ... a Humorous Quote ... | brettf@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: Jin Hwang Subject: Re: Qwest and US West Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:44:04 -0700 I agree with you since my inside source has told me today that Qwest will be aquiring US West after having a teleconference with Joe Nacchio. Wulf Losee wrote in message news:telecom19.150.7@ telecom-digest.org: > Regarding Qwest's hostile bid for US West: Hmmm, there's more here > than meets the eye, I think. > Fact: Qwest is making a big push for voice over IP services. > Fact: US West's long distance revenue dropped off 15 percent last > quarter! (that will be very very painful to them if that trend keeps > up). > Fact: Qwest saves a lot of money on Internet phone calls, > because as an "ISP" they don't have to settle up with the local > players (i.e. US West). ------------------------------ From: Adam H. Kerman Subject: Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX since 1982 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:48:48 GMT In article , Herb Stein wrote: > There doen't seem to a a problem getting flat-rate service in St. Louis > either. Residential or business. Uh, huh. Try calling across the state line. When I lived in St. Louis during 1992, I recall intraLATA toll calls outside the prepaid zone and interLATA to call to the Illinois side of the metropolitan area. At one time you had protected prefixes that were not duplicated in both the Missouri and Illinois sides of the metropolitan area, but I never saw that. There were people on the Illinois side who could still obtain (I think it was called) "metropolitan" numbers that would be billed as if they were in St. Louis. So you could call those numbers prepaid in some zones. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J Sobol) Subject: Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular Date: 16 Jun 1999 23:33:32 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.INET On 16 Jun 1999 03:44:25 GMT, hillary@hillary.net allegedly said: > aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) writes: >> Absolute total nonsense. Flat-rate billing plans for landline phones >> in the largest market in the US were a thing of the past almost 30 >> years ago, and do not exist now. Even when New York Telephone offered > Well, someone better tell Bell Atlantic. They're apparently unaware of > this fact, and are offering flat-rate local or metropolitan-area > calling plans here in tropical Philadelphia, PA (as well as in some of > our more temperate suburbs). Alan has also ignored every last one of the posts made by myself and Joseph Adams about flat-rate calling in northern Ohio. Steve Sobol, President, North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.4NET sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net * www.NorthShoreTechnologies.net System Admin and Founding Member, FREE - http://www.spamfree.org IRC:sjsobol> Anyone have Lil-Red's e-mail address? IRC:heller> No. If they had it, it wouldn't be hers. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US Date: 16 Jun 1999 23:40:03 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.INET On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:38:45 -0400, aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET allegedly said: > But chances are pretty good you weren't using the phone all the time, > and the carrier you accessed probably wasn't Sprint, itself (don't > forget, Sprint is not a cellular carrier). Yes, they are. But you can't use Sprint as a reference. They love to tout the network they've "built from the ground up"; but the fact that it's a new network means you have a ton of places where you have no access (with a digital-only phone) or expensive roaming (with a dual-mode phone). I've been with GTE for six years, and their cell network has been around since before *that*. Use GTE or BAM or Airtouch or someone that has a mature network if you're going to talk about coverage. Steve Sobol, President, North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.4NET sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net * www.NorthShoreTechnologies.net System Admin and Founding Member, FREE - http://www.spamfree.org IRC:sjsobol> Anyone have Lil-Red's e-mail address? IRC:heller> No. If they had it, it wouldn't be hers. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #153 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jun 17 14:28:05 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA06123; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:28:05 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906171828.OAA06123@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #154 TELECOM Digest Thu, 17 Jun 99 14:28:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 154 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Book Review: "Intrusion Detection", Edward G. Amoroso (Rob Slade) Re: Question About Telephone Numbers (Derek Balling) Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular (Michael David Jones) Re: Contact Info For Unsolicited FAX Complaints (Steve Winters) Re: Question About CEPT Signal (Andrew Emmerson) Re: 503 Overlay / Lockheed Martin? (Brian Charles Kohn) Re: 503 Overlay / Lockheed Martin? (ellis@ftel.net) Chance for a Free Book - Electrical and Computer Engineers (SpectraCom) EarthWeb E-Leaning Expo Live on Internet (TELECOM Digest Editor) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:43:56 -0800 Subject: Book Review: "Intrusion Detection", Edward G. Amoroso Reply-To: rslade@sprint.ca BKINTDET.RVW 990423 "Intrusion Detection", Edward G. Amoroso, 1999, 0-9666700-7-8, U$49.95 %A Edward G. Amoroso eamoroso@mail.att.net %C P. O. Box 78, Sparta, NJ 07871 %D 1999 %G 0-9666700-7-8 %I Intrusion.Net Books %O U$49.95 973-448-1866 fax: 973-448-1868 order@intrusion.net %P 218 p. %T "Intrusion Detection" This is not (very much not) to be confused with the identically named, and almost equally recent, book by Escamilla (cf. BKINTRDT.RVW). Where Escamilla's is basically a large brochure for various commercial systems, Amoroso has specifically chosen to avoid products, concentrating on concepts, and not a few technical details. The text is based on material for an advanced course in intrusion detection, but is intended for administrators and system designers with a security job to do. Chapter one, after demonstrating that the term means different things to different people, gives us an excellent, practical, real world definition of intrusion detection. This is used as the basis for an examination of essential components and issues to be dealt with as the book proceeds. Five different processes for detecting intrusions are discussed in chapter two. Each method spawns a number of "case studies," which, for Amoroso, means looking at how specific tools can be used. (This style is far more useful than the normal business case studies that are long on who did what and very short on how.) Intrusion detection architecture is reviewed in chapter three, enlarging the conceptual model to produce an overall system. Chapter four defines intrusions in a way that may seem strange, until you realize that it is a very functional description for building detection rules. The problem of determining identity on a TCP/IP internetwork is discussed in chapter five, but while the topic is relevant to intrusion detection, few answers are presented. Correlating events is examined in chapter six. Chapter seven looks at setting traps, primarily from and information gathering perspective. The book ends with a look at response in chapter eight. The bibliography is, for once, annotated. While I do not always agree with Amoroso's assessments; I think he tends to give the benefit of the doubt to some who primarily deliver sensation; the materials are generally high quality resources from the field. Books and online texts are included, although the emphasis is on journal articles and conference papers. The content is readable and, although it seems odd to use the word in relation to a security work, even fun. I suppose, though, that I must point out that your humble "worst copy editor in the entire world" reviewer found a significant number of typographic errors. (And some that can't be put down to typos: I think you'll find that it's "berferd" rather than "berford.") This book works on a great many levels. It provides an overall framework for thinking about security. It thoroughly explains the concepts behind intrusion detection. And it gives you some very practical and useful advice for system protection for a variety of operating systems and using a number of tools. I can recommend this to anyone interested in security, with the only proviso being that you are going to get the most out of it if you are, indeed, responsible for designing network protection. copyright Robert M. Slade, 1999 BKINTDET.RVW 990423 ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com On the other hand, you have different fingers. http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev or http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:17:04 -0700 From: Derek Balling Subject: Re: Question About Telephone Numbers And Pat Replied.... > On the other hand, would you want to have 554-1212, 556-1212, or any > number off by only a digit or perhaps by a digit transposed from that > of a very popular, often-used number such as the local weather fore- > cast or time of day message? The owners of some numbers which are > repetitive digits often get plagued with 'wrong number' calls from > people seeking a transposition of the same repetitive numbers, for > example, 2141 might get a lot of calls from people seeking 4121. I do > think your intended application is all-important here. A similar problem exists in my old residence of Fort Wayne, Indiana. GTE is *BIG* there, (one of the city's top 5 employers), and most everyone know's at least one or two people who work for them, either in their Regional Offices, their call centers, or as a tech. The GTE customer service 800 numbers are 800-483-3x00 (the x varies from region to region). It's important to note that in the 219 NPA, 483 is a valid exchange serving ... you guessed it ... Fort Wayne. MANY is the person who would look at the 800 number, see the 483, know they're calling across town, and just dial 483-3600 (which would be the North Region call center ... if they'd put the 800 before it). Instead they would of course bother some local resident. It got so bad that they actually put notices in the phone books REMINDING people that "Just because the 7D number looks like a local number, you REALLY need to dial the 1-800 part as well". There are two really funny after-stories to that (one of which I am NOT permitted to tell under penalty of pain and suffering from a former roommate of mine who still works at the Pit of Despair , er um, I mean GTE North call center, although I CAN say that it involves work orders entered by/for employees, additional listings, and rude names *G*). For more info, see the 1996-97 Fort Wayne phone book, if you can find a copy. ;-) The story I *CAN* tell is that my roommates and I used to have, in Ft. Wayne, 483-3200. (It's nice to be able to look at the telephone number bucket and find yourself something nice). This wasn't much of a problem, since 3200 was GTE-Florida, and the problem didn't occur too often. Occasionally, though, people would call trying to reach GTE-FL when one of us would answer the phone. It was always either a disconnect of service (because the person either moved to Ft. Wayne, or it was a winter home they were turning off service in) or someone who was behind on their bills. In either case, especially knowing the telco "lingo" and manner of talk, it was quite easy to amuse ourselves endlessly, letting them believe that their service was "all well and good and cancelled effective immediately", or in the case of billing problems, make ludicrous payment arrangements that any sane person would think is completely bogus ("Sir, how much do you owe?" [nice leading question for info, since I don't HAVE their info] "1,200 dollars? and you want to pay $50 every month until its paid off? Sure, that's acceptable. No your service won't be disconnected." But unfortunately, GTE made us change the telephone number after less than a year (cuz of the first story) and we got something incredibly dull after that ... See, Pat? You're not the only one with amusing anecdotes from telephone history. ;-) D [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I do not know how old you are, or how long you have been in Fort Wayne, but perhaps you recall how prior to sometime in the late sixties or early seventies the phone numbers there were five digits in length with the prefix 'Anthony' .. they were dialable locally as five digits I think, but you could not dial into Fort Wayne from anywhere else. Fort Wayne reminded me then of Lafayette and West Lafayette, another GTE-bastion in northern Indiana with (at the time) a peculiar dialing sequence: telephone numbers in the early days of automatic dialing were seven digits, however Purdue University had its own numbering scheme which worked out to be seven digits as well. Everyone had a seven digit number *except* for Purdue, which had the number '90'. That two digit number could be dialed from anywhere in Lafayette or West Lafayette and would reach the Purdue telephone operator. If one knew the five digit extension desired at Purdue, it could be reached by dialing '92' plus the desired five digits. Or you could call 90 then verbally pass the other five digits to the operator if you wished to do it that way. For a long time after area codes were routinely in place across northern Indiana with 219 for the geographic area which included Fort Wayne and 317 for the geographic area which included Lafayette, direct dialing into those -- or any community served by GTE was impossible. For several years after points served by various AT&T telcos were direct-dialable, one still had to use the operator to call a GTE point. I think the operator did 317+473+121 for calls to Lafayette and 219+483+121 for calls to Fort Wayne, even though the Anthony-xxxxx style numbers persisted there. When the operator in Lafayette or Fort Wayne answered, then the operator in Chicago passed the desired number verbally. In West Lafayette one day at a pay phone I placed a long distance call to Chicago, and asked the operator (in these words) for 'area code 312 (number)' and the operator hastened to inform me "sir, it is *not* 312" (her emphasis) "it is 'Chicago' and the seven digit number when calling from here ..." and she then dialed 312+121 if you knew the number you wanted or 312+141 if it was necessary to get the number from directory assistance, or 'Information' as it was called in those days, and she would be the one to get the number from Information, never the subscriber directly. If you 'just happened' to dial 317-555-1212 and ask the operator for information in Lafayette (as opposed to asking your local 'long-distance operator' (available by dialing 211) to get it for you) she would say to hold on, that she would have to connect you to Lafayette to get the number. There would be a ringing sound once or twice, and when Lafayette answered, the 555-1212 person would say, "Operator, this is a call for information only, do not connect the party." Sometimes 317-555-1212 would refuse to do it at all, and would tell the caller "you have to get that through the long distance operator in your community." I am assuming GTE's subscriber database was not available to AT&T's oper- ators in those days. 'Database' of course back then simply meant a *huge* collection of telephone books on a large table in the center of a room and several people wearing headsets who walked around the table picking up the desired books to look at. PAT] ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US Organization: Excelsior Computer Services From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:58:41 GMT >> In article , Dr. Joel M. Hoffman >> wrote: >>> Except that in the US cell phone coverage is very poor. I still >> Not in my experience. I spent last summer crisscrossing the West on >> a rock climbing trip, going from St. Louis to Denver to the upper reaches >> [...] But: > but I still can't carry on a continuous mobile conversation in lower > Manhattan, still can't reliably make or receive a phone call anywhere > in Jersey City, and the cell site that covers where I live is often > completely blocked during evening hours. That's my point. Here in the New York area, some of the major highways have NO coverage, the airports aren't covered reliably, and the system is often just flakey -- both AT&T and BA. In response to my earlier post (wherein I described driving for three hours in CA with 5 bars of signal, and then finding nothing when I crossed into the US at 1000 Islands) some people suggested that my phone has problems. But the bottom line is the same phone that didn't get any signal in the US had 5 bars in Canada. Something is clearly wrong with cell service in the US. I can't believe it's a technical problem, so it must be a political or economic one. And so I repeat my question: does anyone know what the problem is? -Joel ------------------------------ From: jonesm2@rpi.edu (Michael David Jones) Subject: Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular Date: 17 Jun 1999 10:21:51 -0400 Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Mark Crispin writes: > aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) writes: >> Absolute total nonsense. Flat-rate billing plans for landline phones >> in the largest market in the US were a thing of the past almost 30 >> years ago, and do not exist now. Even when New York Telephone offered >> "flat-rate" service back in the 60's, the area served was not a large >> geographic expanse. The only flat-rate landline service I've ...snip... > That's strange. With the exception of the People's Republic of New > York City, I've never encountered a locale in the US which didn't have > flat rate billing. I always thought that the lack of flat rate in the > PRNYC was typical rip-off of New Yawkahs whose knowledge of the > outside world effectively ends at the Hudson River ... something about > there being cows in Joisey. And it doesn't even extend up the river into Bell Atlantic (ex-NYNEX, ex-New York Tel) land. We've had flat rate local around Albany as long as I've been here (1978). I can probably call not quite a million people in my local calling area. ...snip... > [Special memo to New Yawkahs: you live in the greatest place in the > world. You don't want to visit any place else, and you especially > don't want to move there. There is nothing outside but desolate > wilderness. Those places let people have guns, not like NYC where > everybody is safe. No need to go there. Stay home.] What he said. Mike Jones | jonesm2@rpi.edu The cow may be black, but the milk comes out white. - Russian proverb ------------------------------ From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winters) Subject: Re: Contact Info For Unsolicited FAX Complaints Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:24:01 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com > The address is: > FCC > Common Carrier Bureau Enforcement > Consumer Protection Branch > Room 5A863 > Washington, DC 20554 > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The problem is Steve, aren't these the > people who get around to opening/reading their mail six or eight > months after it arrives? By that point in time, the junk faxers might > well be out of business and/or set up shop under a new name on the > other side of the country. I had hoped, based on earlier messages in > this thread, that the FCC might be a bit more responsive, but your > statement that they 'prefer to receive things by mail' is not a good > sign. Readers should also note that FCC can be contacted at their web > site which is http://www.fcc.gov and I would suggest looking at that > also. PAT] Well, Pat, when I was speaking to the person who gave me that address to publish here, she mentioned that I should ask people to get them the complaints in time to do something about it. She mentioned that someone had sent them a year old FAX spam and that was too old to do anything about (I know, it would be interesting to see the postmark on that). From what she told me, they are big time serious about pursuing FAX spammers. She also mentioned that they had online thingies for filing complaints, but for FAXes, they had to have a copy. I mean, sure it's "gummit", but its *our* gummit.... ;O) BTW, I don't get so many spam FAXes as I used to..... Steve Winter http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM ------------------------------ From: midshires@cix.co.uk (Andrew Emmerson) Subject: Re: Question About CEPT Signal Date: 17 Jun 1999 13:47:32 GMT Organization: CIX - Compulink Information eXchange Reply-To: midshires@cix.co.uk > What is a CEPT signal? Short for interCEPT? CEPT is the standing conference of European post and telecomms administrations, an international policy-making and discussion body based in Switzerland. Regards, Andrew Emmerson. ------------------------------ From: bicker@nospam.com (Brian Charles Kohn) Subject: Re: 503 Overlay / Lockheed Martin? Reply-To: Brian Charles Kohn Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:48:51 GMT Organization: Road Runner A Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:04:00 -0700, en comp.dcom.telecom, Someone escribi en el mensaje de noticias : > I get copies of US West Network Disclosures in the mail all the time. > I noticed that when #439 arrived, regarding the 971 NPA overlay in > Oregon's NPA 503, it began, "On May 14, 1999 Lockheed Martin announced > implementation of area code relief for the 503 NPA in the State of > Oregon." > Attached to this usual announcement, with its usual US West logo, was > a three-page attachment on Lockheed Martin letterhead, and the contact > is a Lockheed person in D.C. > What's the deal with that? Lockheed Martin administers the North American Numbering Plan. just bicker ------------------------------ From: ellis@ftel.net Subject: Re: 503 Overlay / Lockheed Martin? Date: 17 Jun 1999 18:02:26 GMT Organization: Franklin interNet http://www.franklin.net In article , Someone wrote: > Attached to this usual announcement, with its usual US West logo, was > a three-page attachment on Lockheed Martin letterhead, and the contact > is a Lockheed person in D.C. > What's the deal with that? Lockheed runs the North American Numbering Plan administration. See http://www.nanpa.com. http://www.fnet.net/~ellis/photo/ ------------------------------ From: spectracom_research@my-deja.com Subject: Chance For a Free Book - Electrical and Computer Engineers Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:05:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Hello, If you are an electrical or computer engineer, you are invited to participate in an online survey to review books for an Electrical and Computer Engineering Book Club. SpectraCom, a market research company, is conducting the survey. 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Thank you, SpectraCom Research Staff ------------------------------ From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: EarthWeb E-Learning Expo Live on Internet Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:53:38 -0500 I am passing along this annoucment I received yesterday which may be of some interest. PAT ----- Original Message ----- From: JavaScripts.com To: Subject: Special Announcement Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:34:12 -0400 Reply-To: "javascripts.com info" Subject: Special Announcement Pardon the interruption... An event we thought you'd like to know about (both for its subject matter, and because it's a cool, virtual-world type of thing): EarthWeb's e-Learning Expo will take place "live" on the Internet on June 28, 1999. There are two sessions: - CORBA Enabled: An Evolution in Applied Distributed Technology ($free) - Distributed Java: Programming with CORBA ($49 for advance registration if you're an OMG member, $99 all others) You'll be "present" in the form of a 3-D rendered avatar, and can wander among the symposia and vendor booths. You'll experience video and audio Webcasts teaching you all about CORBA. In short, a seminar/trade show without the travel. To sign up (or just to get more information) for either or both, go to: http://www.earthweb.com/corporate/events/eelu/index.html Thanks. When it's over, please let us know what you thought of it! The Editors at EarthWeb (Now back to your regularly scheduled lives.) ************************************************************ ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #154 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Jun 18 03:19:32 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA05338; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:19:32 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906180719.DAA05338@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #155 TELECOM Digest Fri, 18 Jun 99 03:19:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 155 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Question About Telephone Numbers (Judith Oppenheimer) Re: US West's Plan to Abandon Rural America (John Harris) Largest Market, Not MarketS (Joey Lindstrom) Pac Bell CIDCW is Up in Southern CA (Alan Adamson) Re: Low Cost Calling Card For Visiting Expat (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) NYC Local Calls (Jon Solomon) Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US (Thor Lancelot Simon) We Are Looking For a Rockwell (Conexant) V.FC Chip (sky78300@skynet.be) Re: 911 Locator Regulations For PBXs (Allan M. Olbur) Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? (Steven J. Sobol) Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? (Brett Frankenberger) Re: Internet Access Thru Cable (Tim Keating) Re: Bell Atlantic: "We Don't Service Centrex" (Terry Kennedy) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:30:15 -0400 From: Judith Oppenheimer Organization: ICB Toll Free News / WhoSells800.com Subject: Re: Question About Telephone Numbers Aoife Morrissy amorrissy@altavista.net wrote: > I'm writing from Ireland where I am trying to do some research on > telephone numbers and the theory behind what makes a "good" number > versus a "bad" number. and Patrick said, > Judith Oppenheimer would agree that where toll-free numbers are > concerned, having well-known, easily understood words and phrases made > from number combinations is quite important, such as 800-FLOWERS. Patrick and Aoife, 800 vanities go well beyond comprehension and 'memorable.' 800 vanity numbers trigger a markedly elevated response and a pronounced buying behavior, delivering tangible, bottom-line results. A number of years ago, ICB researched 800 vanity number use in the marketplace, specifically choosing mainstream companies with existing advertising experience and track record (versus vanity-specific companies like 800 FLOWERS.) Prodigy operations and call center execs explained to me how a television campaign test of 1 800 PRODIGY versus their numeric 800 number, pulled a full 25% greater response, over a 24 hour longer period of time, every time the commercials aired. Prodigy went on to attribute significantly increased customer retention (in a churn-sensitive business), and measurably increased customer satisfaction ratings, to the use of the 1 800 PRODIGY vanity number. Evidently, they said, it wasn't just easier to remember, as they'd thought, but provided additional, tangible utilities: an ease of use and access of service that well exceeded the initial response, extending the sale into a customer. Jeep Eagle shared similarly enthusiastic results based on its 1 800 JEEP EAGLE commercial experience. The vanity number had been reserved only for high-end print ads. The company was gun-shy about incurring 1-800 costs on a mass television scale, and didn't want to attract, or pay phone bills, for underqualified, tire-kicking browsers. It took the TV plunge advertising 1 800 JEEP EAGLE on the Super Bowl. Results were so successful that 1 800 JEEP EAGLE was rolled out to broader tv exposure. (Note that this vanity is nine characters long, one of many successful, longer vanity numbers that debunk the myth that only seven digit vanities can be effective.) 1 800 JEEP EAGLE response rates exceeded expectations -- and the company discovered an elevated caliber of respondent, people both more inclined, and more financially qualified, to buy. Conversion follow-up provided confirmation. Within twelve months of the first call to 1 800 JEEP EAGLE, 50% of callers bought either a Jeep Eagle, or a comparable brand. ICB heard similar stories from Bally's Health and Fitness, as well as other marketers. Callers to Bally's vanity numbers (at the time they tested using two, 1 800 WORKOUT and 1 800 FITNESS) "were raising their hands, asking to buy", according to one call center manager. We know that 800 numbers trigger response, identifying prospects at varying levels of qualification. But 800 vanity numbers -- brand names, recognized vernacular, calls to action -- trigger an elevated response over numerics, as well as a pronounced buying behavior. According to the mainstream marketers we spoke with, 800 vanity numbers attract more callers, who are more qualified by both desire, and ability, to buy. FYI, in a recent study, "Toll-free Numbers in Radio Advertising" (http://www.800response.com/Studies/radiostd/index.html), toll-free vanity numbers yielded 14 times more phone calls than toll-free numerics. Judith Oppenheimer ICB Toll Free News (http://icbtollfree.com) WhoSells800.com (http://whosells800.com) ICB Consulting (http://800consulting.com) Moderator, TOLLFREE-L (http://www.egroups.com/list/tollfree-l/) email;internet:joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com ------------------------------ From: John Harris Reply-To: Subject: Re: US West's Plan to Abandon Rural America Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:15:24 -0500 Under Part 54.305 an acquiring carrier will only receive the same USF as the selling carrier. There will be no new USF to these exchanges. We specifically communicated this to US West in April when we reviewed the properties being sold. What is really happening is that US West (and GTE) are shedding their high cost areas, but not the areas which were providing the internal support or subsidy (i.e. urban to rural). Therefore, their profit margins will increase. Further, there are parties willing to pay substantial sums ($3500 per access line and higher) for these properties on the premise that either new technology will justify the price or that the acquiring company is eventually going public and they hope for the higher multiples that the public market is putting on pipes to the home (refer to AT&Ts purchase of Media One). While I have no love for US West I have to say that they are simply responding to the market signals provided them by the FCC. ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:47:56 -0600 Reply-To: Joey Lindstrom Subject: Largest Market, Not MarketS On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT), Steven J Sobol wrote: >> aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) writes: >>> Absolute total nonsense. Flat-rate billing plans for landline phones >>> in the largest market in the US were a thing of the past almost 30 >>> years ago, and do not exist now. Even when New York Telephone offered >> Well, someone better tell Bell Atlantic. They're apparently unaware of >> this fact, and are offering flat-rate local or metropolitan-area >> calling plans here in tropical Philadelphia, PA (as well as in some of >> our more temperate suburbs). > Alan has also ignored every last one of the posts made by myself and > Joseph Adams about flat-rate calling in northern Ohio. Possibly because every last one of those posts misunderstood him. He talks of "the largest market in the US", not "the largest markets in the US". He was speaking strictly of New York City. From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom Email: Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU or joey@lindstrom.com Phone: +1 403 313-JOEY FAX: +1 413 643-0354 (yes, 413 not 403) Visit The NuServer! http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU Visit The Webb! http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU Today's history note: In 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, was assassinated by Serbian terrorists in Bosnia. So Germany invaded France. World War I: Because Wars Don't Have To Make Sense. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:09:41 +0000 Subject: Pac Bell CIDCW is Up in Southern CA From: Alan Adamson FYI, Pacific Bell now has Caller ID Call Waiting service (it's about time). I confirmed this today by ordering the service (available as of today) in San Diego and it's up and running at my house. No provision for Centrex users however. Speaking of Centrex and Caller ID. We still do not have CID Name delivery on our Centrex lines. No one at Pac Bell can seem to explain why not and when (if ever) this will happen. Does anyone have any thoughts on why CID number only is supported by Centrex? I wonder if they are running SMF or MMF through the Centrex ports? -Alan ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Low Cost Calling Card For Visiting Expat Organization: Excelsior Computer Services From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:01:00 GMT > [Re a calling card] > Can you suggest any other way to do this with the following constraints: > * No min or monthly charge; > * Not tied to a US phone number as we do not have one; > * Must be usable from public and private (friends) phone; I'm pretty sure that Voicenet is not tied to a US phone number. You give them a credit card, and then you can make calls at will. Their Us rates a high (seventeen and a half cents per minute), but their international rates are not bad ($0.37 to Switzerland, $0.84 to Israel) compared to other calling cards. The quality of international calls isn't always very good, though. They can be reached at 800/500-9028. I use to use them a lot until I started using AT&T's personal network calling card. -Joel (joel@exc.com) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:05:48 EDT From: Jon Solomon Subject: NYC Local Calls I hear BA is offering unlimited calling as an option in the NYC area. ------------------------------ From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US Date: 17 Jun 1999 14:32:01 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com In article , Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: >>> In article , Dr. Joel M. Hoffman >>> wrote: >>>> Except that in the US cell phone coverage is very poor. I still >>> Not in my experience. I spent last summer crisscrossing the West on >>> a rock climbing trip, going from St. Louis to Denver to the upper reaches >>> [...] > But: >> but I still can't carry on a continuous mobile conversation in lower >> Manhattan, still can't reliably make or receive a phone call anywhere >> in Jersey City, and the cell site that covers where I live is often >> completely blocked during evening hours. For the record, I live in lower Manhattan, and have no such trouble. > That's my point. Here in the New York area, some of the major highways > have NO coverage, the airports aren't covered reliably, and the system > is often just flakey -- both AT&T and BA. You might consider another carrier. Neither Sprint nor Omnipoint appear to have these problems in the New York City area; Nextel is also an option. > In response to my earlier post (wherein I described driving for three > hours in CA with 5 bars of signal, and then finding nothing when I > crossed into the US at 1000 Islands) some people suggested that my > phone has problems. But the bottom line is the same phone that didn't > get any signal in the US had 5 bars in Canada. Your evidence fails to support your conclusions. At least one poster responded with a story which was almost exactly the opposite of yours. You're talking about, between the U.S. and Canada, *millions of square miles of area*, some of it with extremely rugged geography. It's ridiculous to assume that there will ever be 100% perfect coverage -- there are plenty of places where even satellite phones don't work, and quite possibly never will. In addition, which network you're on will substantially impact your ability to roam, and the model and settings of your phone will impact how much signal you "see", particularly when you're outside your carrier's network. > Something is clearly wrong with cell service in the US. I can't > believe it's a technical problem, so it must be a political or > economic one. And so I repeat my question: does anyone know what the > problem is? The problem, it seems to me, is your extrapolating from your sample size of one to the general case. Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" ------------------------------ From: sky78300@skynet.be Subject: We Are Looking For a Rockwell (Conexant) V.FC Chip Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:41:06 GMT Organization: Sky Reply-To: sky78300@skynet.be We are looking for a Rockwell (Conexant) V.FC chip it is: * RC288ACi/VFC R6670-20 Quantities: any up to 500 Regards, Mike Verdugt Visit http://www.tron.be Allied Data Technologies ------------------------------ From: dtm37@aol.com (Allan M.Olbur) Date: 18 Jun 1999 03:45:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: 911 Locator Regulations For PBXs Dave: Please contact me at our Service Bureau 847-934-0580 and I would be glad to answer your questions. Pls feel free to visit our web site at http://209.172.186.90 for E-911 information. Regards, Allan M. Olbur InfraTech Inc. http://209.172.186.90 ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J Sobol) Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? Date: 18 Jun 1999 04:07:41 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.INET On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:11:23 PDT, jvn@svpal.org allegedly said > My area code 408 (San Jose, Calif) is getting an overlay soon, and > we'll all be dialing many digits. > I understand why I'll need to dial the new (overlay) code when > calling a number in that area, but why the need to dial my own area > code when *not* calling out of it? Is this not exactly analogous to > calling (say) to another state? > Seems to me that the same trigger (the 1-) would distinguish between > my own (no 1-) and the other (1-xxx) area. So why is it mandatory? Because if you have, say, 1-408-555-1234, someone in the new area code could also have 555-1234, and if you don't dial ten digits, and the AC is an overlay, there would be no way to tell which person was supposed to get the call. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Didn't you miss the point here? He said when *calling within his own area code, when not calling outside his area code ...* in other words, he wants the 555-1234 that is within his area code. In that case, why is ten or eleven digits (if you count the '1' on the front) needed? PAT] ------------------------------ From: brettf@netcom.com (Brett Frankenberger) Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? Organization: Netcom Online Services, Inc. Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:51:10 GMT In article , Jim Van Nuland wrote: > My area code 408 (San Jose, Calif) is getting an overlay soon, and > we'll all be dialing many digits. > I understand why I'll need to dial the new (overlay) code when > calling a number in that area, but why the need to dial my own area > code when *not* calling out of it? Is this not exactly analogous to > calling (say) to another state? > Seems to me that the same trigger (the 1-) would distinguish between > my own (no 1-) and the other (1-xxx) area. So why is it mandatory? Because, initially, most people will have 408 numbers. Therefore, if seven-digit intra-NPA dialing is allowed, it would be easier for most people to call 408 numbers than to call numbers in the new area code. That wouldn't be fair to people in the new area code. Therefore, you have to dial the NPA for all calls. This is generally how it's done when a new area code is overlayed -- it's nothing special just for 408. - Brett (brettf@netcom.com) ... Coming soon to a | Brett Frankenberger .sig near you ... a Humorous Quote ... | brettf@netcom.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But you know, this is getting to be very ridiculous. How far must we go to accomodate all the various kinks and twists that are appearing in the industry these days? Each new carrier wants certain kinds of arrangements so *their* customers will not be 'discriminated against'. Cellular carriers will not accept new area codes. Local competitors will not accept certain kinds of numbers. I get to dial seven digits; you have to dial ten digits so instead of telling your carrier that if he would release back into circulation ninety percent of the numbers he is hoarding that he will never use, thus eliminating the need for a new area code entirely, instead, let's inconvenience all the other customers by making them dial ten or eleven digits also. A cellular carrier thinks it is discrimination to be in an area code assigned for that purpose, so instead let's divide the village down Main Street with a different area code on each side of the street and screw all those people instead. There are some places on the northwest side of Chicago where people routinely need *three* area codes just for local calls around their neighborhood (773, 847, 708). Ah, but we don't dare tell Joe Doe's Pager Service that they cannot have several blocks of ten thousand numbers each for new paging accounts they might possibly get sometime in the next ten years. That would be terrible discrimination. Why, some of his customers might eventually have to dial eleven digits. I suggest it is time for municipalities who are getting inconvenienced by area code splits and overlays to begin filing suit against telco and forcing telco to (a) submit to a complete audit of all its avail- able stock of numbers; (b) retrieve the thousands upon thousands of numbers set aside for competitors that will never be used in any reasonable period of time; (c) ditto the wireless carriers and their huge excess of numbers; (d) appoint an impartial committee to salvage this excess and serve as the final arbitrator who who gets what number subject to the present technical limitations. Lockheed Martin comes to mind for this purpose. So you request new service; the service rep would call the arbitrator and say 'this is (name of) telco'; I need a new number for residential service at (address). The arbitrator would supply the number, and that, as they say, would be that. Take the number or leave it. I would venture to say probably thirty percent or more of our existing stock of numbers not in service are out of reach due to some telco or cellco hoarding them. I would force it to stop; then go back in a couple years and see if another area code overlay is needed or not. PAT] ------------------------------ From: NotForJunkEmail@mediaone11.net (Tim Keating) Subject: Re: Internet Access Thru Cable Organization: Keating Consulting Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:35:57 GMT On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:12:41 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote: > A few years ago no one wanted anything to do with Internet on cable > and many said it would be a failure. Now that it is proving to be > successful everyone wants a piece of it. I believe the cable > operators should be given the privilege of another five to ten years > of exclusive operation of their system before they are forced to open > it to other service providers. The Telcos had a pretty good run with > no competition, why shouldn't the Cablecos have the same treatment? Oh, your so kind, The cable co's have yet to make their first dime and you're already proposing turning them into a common carrier. In ten years, the cable co's will be in competition with cellurised satellite, local wireless, and telcos for local high speed service. > AOL and the other whining ISPs who bet their future on Internet over > circuit switched voice quality facilities should suffer the > consequences of their previous bad decisions. If the Telcos had the > vision they could have invested resources in building high bandwidth > pipes to their users many years ago, the technology was available, > they knew it had to be done, but they close to do nothing. What good > would it do me to allow AOL onto the cable system? AOL and the baby-bells are both whining about the latest cable-co technology leaves them both out in the cold. > Maybe they will made ADSL or some other DSL technology work in the > near future. It would be great if the consumer had a true choice in > high-speed Internet service providers. The cable company gives me > high-speed Internet access for $40/month, so damn cheap competition is > not required. And, their service is not that bad either! Agreed, I like my cable service the way it is. No bandwidth caps, reasonable price, good performance, decent AUP, all items that would change for the worst if access where mandated. > I frequent websites where I get fast response. If the site is too > slow I don't bother to go back much. If UUNET will not peer with > @Home and I get poor response going to a UUNET hosted website I will > not go back. The UUNET customer loses business and if they care they > will either force UUNET to peer with @Home or they will go find a new > bandwidth provider which gives @Home customers good website responses. > The free market system will work, it just takes time. Plus, I have a > choice, if I don't like @Home I can get another ISP. UUNET is quickly becoming a minor player. There is a LOT of IP bandwidth coming on board shortly both domestically and international. Either they wake up, and smell the roses(start peering) or they'll lose customers. Note: They're not supposed to have most of those customers, they where supposed to give them all to a British firm C&W as a condition of the MCI-Worldcom merger. They reneged, and are now being sued. Tim Keating ktcnslt32@mediaone1.net, (Note: remove numeric digits from email address before responding.) ------------------------------ From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: Bell Atlantic: "We Don't Service Centrex" Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:49:52 GMT Alan Boritz writes: > Got this response, when I called in a problem to Bell Atlantic that > prevented callers from Jersey City, NJ, from reaching my home phone in > Mahwah, NJ. Seems that the central office repair guy didn't know what > a centrex was, or that he was responsible for maintaining it, and he > was calling from the CO where that particular centrex lives. Gee, I > wonder who B-A allows to come in to their CO's to service the centrex > portions of their switches. Are the calls originating from the 201-200 5ESS switch (which got the old 201-332 1A rolled into it a few years back)? If so, let me know and I'll have the appropriate people flogged (I've got 4000+ lines on this switch). Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing erry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #155 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Jun 18 15:31:06 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA29817; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906181931.PAA29817@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #156 TELECOM Digest Fri, 18 Jun 99 15:31:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 156 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Book Review: Telecommunications: Glossary of Telecom Terms (Rob Slade) Re: Largest Market, Not MarketS (Jack Hamilton) Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US (John Benedetto) Canadian Cell Phone Service (Carolyn Meraw) Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? (Brian Charles Kohn) Re: Survey Sez: People REALLY Hate Spam! (eclectijim@aol.com) Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? (Michael Quinn) Re: Low Cost Calling Card For Visiting Expat (Joseph Singer) Signing up With AllAdvantage.com (Corazon DeGuzman) Looking For Old AMX/81 Docs (Eric Wampner) FTC Sues Three Web Site Providers For Illegal Billing (Monty Solomon) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 765 Junction City, KS 66441-0765 Phone: 415-520-9905 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe/unsubscribe: subscriptions@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. URL information: http://telecom-digest.org Anonymous FTP: hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives (or use our mirror site: ftp.epix.net/pub/telecom-archives) Email <==> FTP: telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org Send a simple, one line note to that automated address for a help file on how to use the automatic retrieval system for archives files. You can get desired files in email. ************************************************************************* * TELECOM Digest is partially funded by a grant from the * * International Telecommunication Union (ITU) in Geneva, Switzerland * * under the aegis of its Telecom Information Exchange Services (TIES) * * project. Views expressed herein should not be construed as represent-* * ing views of the ITU. * ************************************************************************* In addition, a gift from Mike Sandman, Chicago's Telecom Expert has enabled me to replace some obsolete computer equipment and enter the 21st century sort of on schedule. His mail order telephone parts/supplies service based in the Chicago area has been widely recognized by Digest readers as a reliable and very inexpensive source of telecom-related equipment. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:43:45 -0800 Subject: Book Review: Telecommunications: Glossary of Telecommunication Terms Reply-To: rslade@sprint.ca BKGLTLTM.RVW 990611 "Telecommunications: Glossary of Telecommunication Terms", National Communications System, 1996, FED-STD-1037C %A National Communications System Technology and Standards Division %C 470 East L'Enfant Plaza SW, Suite 8100, Washington, DC 20407 %D 1996 %G FED-STD-1037C %I General Services Administration Information Technology Section %O 202-755-0325 %T "Telecommunications: Glossary of Telecommunication Terms" This is, of course, the standard. Or, one of the standards, anyway. Government issue, definition by committee, no frills. As opposed to works oriented to business or the general public, frills would seem to include computer terms. Other than those strictly related to data communications or networking, computer hardware and software is noticeable by its absence. There is a solid presence for radio technology, and telephony gets good coverage as well. Military jargon spawns a number of entries, including some initially surprising expressions like "air portable." There is fair representation from the engineering and scientific side of things. The definitions are generally sound, although not necessarily easy. It's very hard to find outright errors, although awkward constructions are common. This is more of a reference for professionals than a guide for newcomers: if you didn't know what the technology meant coming in, the definitions here aren't likely to give you much help. (The listing for virus isn't great, but it isn't too bad.) This glossary does share one great advantage with Shnier's "Computer Dictionary" (cf. BKCMPDCT.RVW): it's available online at http://ntia.its.bldrdoc.gov/fs-1037/. The user interface is a bit idiosyncratic, but it does work. copyright Robert M. Slade, 1999 BKGLTLTM.RVW 990611 ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com Justify my text? I'm sorry, but it has no excuse. http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev or http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade ------------------------------ From: jfh@acm.org (Jack Hamilton) Subject: Re: Largest Market, Not MarketS Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:01:53 GMT Organization: Copyright (c) 1999 by Jack Hamilton Reply-To: jfh@acm.org Joey Lindstrom wrote: > Possibly because every last one of those posts misunderstood him. He > talks of "the largest market in the US", not "the largest markets in > the US". He was speaking strictly of New York City. Perhaps a definition of "market" is needed. Are you speaking of New York City itself, or of the New York State portion of the NY-NJ-CT-PA metropolitan area, or of the entire area? In terms of population, there are some cuts that would make Los Angeles larger. Or in terms of area? Or in terms of residential phones? Or total phones? Jack Hamilton Broderick, CA jfh@acm.org ------------------------------ From: John Benedetto Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:43:04 -0400 dsr1@interpage.net (Doug Reuben) wrote: > Thus, a call initiated in CT which roams into NY will initially be > handed off into one of the ATTWS NY switches, but shortly after > ingressing further into ATTWS's territory, it will drop since BAMS > does not connect to more "distant" ATTWS switches. Not true. BAMS need only connect to the ATTWS switch that serves the cell first encountered when crossing into NY. The ATTWS network will then carry the call as if it started on their network. A drop further down the line means ATTWS does not have adequate coverage. OR What often happens is that you don't initially make the inter-network handoff, and you actually stay on a BAM cell a few miles into NY. Inter-network handoffs often take longer for the switches to process and need to be coordinated and tested by two parties, so they don't often get optimized as well as intra-network handoffs. Once you get further into NY, your call may have carried past the first cell in ATTWS territory and a handoff is not designed to pass to the second cell. In addition there is no way for the average user to know which system is serving the call, since the ROAM light will not come on until the call is ended. ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Meraw Subject: Canadian Cell Phone Service Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:45:43 -0400 I'm looking for an easy way to compare cell service in Canada -- Alberta to be specific. Do you have any recommendations? Thanks. C. Meraw ------------------------------ From: bicker@nospam.com (Brian Charles Kohn) Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? Reply-To: Brian Charles Kohn Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:12:54 GMT Organization: Road Runner A 18 Jun 1999 04:07:41 GMT, en comp.dcom.telecom, sjsobol@NorthShore Technologies.net (Steven J Sobol) escribi en el mensaje de noticias : > On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:11:23 PDT, jvn@svpal.org allegedly said >> My area code 408 (San Jose, Calif) is getting an overlay soon, and >> we'll all be dialing many digits. >> I understand why I'll need to dial the new (overlay) code when >> calling a number in that area, but why the need to dial my own area >> code when *not* calling out of it? I doubt there is any technical requirement; however new commercial enterprises would be at a distinct disadvantage for a long time since long-standing local businesses will be accessible by seven-digits while newer local businesses would, by comparison, appear to be a long-distance call, with harder-to-remember numbers. just bicker ------------------------------ From: eclectijim@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 13:19:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Survey Sez: People REALLY Hate Spam! > See the article at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/279768.asp It seems to me that common courtesy would dictate that at least a re-cap of the survey results be supplied with the URL for full details. I (and many others of my acquaintance) refuse to follow blind links. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You raise a good point about following blind links. Sometimes the writers here send very short, terse comments (such as links like above, with no other text, trying to be considerate in saving bandwidth in the Digest. If the main link is known to be trustworthy i.e. a decent site, with reputable content and not just web-spam or there to collect names, etc, I will usually print it as is. MSNBC is one such example; it is relatively free of commercial links and in the opinion of many, a good source of daily news. I thought also in the case mentioned here, that his subject line was as good a summary or re-cap as any, If it had been a totally 'blind link', that is to say I had never seen it or heard it it before and had no idea of what its contents were likely to be, I probably would have written it up a bit further after looking at it first. I do suggest that in the future, writers should add at least a couple sentences of their own regards what the link is about. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:21:11 -0400 From: Michael Quinn Organization: BAH Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? Here in the Washington DC area, we have 3 area codes available to each other as local calls: 703 (Northern VA), 202 (DC) and 301 (suburban MD). 1 is not required, nor is it necessary to dial the area code if you are originating a call in that same area code. I believe I heard that there will be in overlay in Northern VA next spring, which will require all 10 digits for all calls, even those originating in the same area code. I agree -- it doesn't seem to make much sense on the surface. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:27:52 -0700 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Low Cost Calling Card For Visiting Expat joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) wrote: > I'm pretty sure that Voicenet is not tied to a US phone number. You > give them a credit card, and then you can make calls at will. I also use the Voicenet card, but on calling them I've found that in order for them to assign you a card you have to have a US phone number and a US mailing address to have the card. This may be partly because the card number is your ten digit telephone number plus a four digit PIN. Of course if you are going to be in the states and can receive billing in the US you could use that address and I would guess you could use any US phone number as your number. Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [msg] +1 707 516 0561 [FAX] Seattle, Washington USA [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I guess he could pick any number, as long as he does not pick mine. (: I've a feeling that the requirement for a US phone number goes a bit deeper than just merely having some number to use to fill in a blank space on the card. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Corazon DeGuzman Subject: Signing up With AllAdvantage.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:57:23 +0200 Dear Friends, I recently joined a new Internet service called AllAdvantage.com. You should definitely consider becoming a member. AllAdvantage.com is the Internet company that pays its members while they surf the Web ($.50 an hour). It's free to join and it takes about a minute (no survey to fill out). Just go to http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=3DCVI461 Members are paid for their own Web browsing and for referrals. Please tell as many of your friends about this program as possible. Be sure to enter my ID# (cvi461) when you join. Remember, it's easy to sign up and it will never cost us a dime! Details below. Let me know how you like it. Regards, Cora DE GUZMAN How AllAdvantage.com membership works: Get Paid to Surf the Web. As a member, AllAdvantage.com will pay you 50 cents an hour while you surf the Web for up to 40 hours per month. That's up to $20 per month just for browsing the Internet the way you normally do. All members download the AllAdvantage.com Viewbar(tm). The bar is standard ad height, about one-half inch on most screens. The bar can be minimized with a single click to eliminate it from the screen at any time. Refer friends to AllAdvantage.com and receive 10 cents per hour while they surf the Web. And receive an additional 5 cents per hour from the extended referrals that come in from your referrals (for new members extended as far as four referrals from your original referrals!) ========================== [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Corazon DeGuzman has long been a VIP -- very important person -- in the production of this Digest, because it is through her effort that the gears get greased and a push is given each quarter to process the grant from ITU which the Digest receives to offset my expenses in its production. It is a long way from here to Switzerland, so when my faxes go off occassionally to ITU as part of their procedures, I know that when Ms. DeGuzman receives it, it is in good hands. ITU's grant is the main reason this Digest has continued publication over the years. I've always sincerely appreciated it. We've had short discussions about AllAdvantage.com here in the past. I have not yet heard from anyone who has actually received a check from AllAdvantage so I cannot vouch for the program. Quite obviously, money is one thing which would carry a lot of weight and add authenticity to their program. Has anyone yet been paid anything? On its face, it seems like a worthwhile thing; Lord knows there are enough sites with annoying advertising on the net these days and since it is unlikely/impractical to assume most of us will ever get five cents for all the spam we have to sort through in a day's time, if some companies want to pay us something for our tolerance, then God bless them, even if it is maxxed out at twenty dollars per month per user. But there are other factors involved as well. In order to get that twenty dollars per month, there has to be a name and address to mail it to. I assume if AllAdvantage.com is going to feed me a ribbon message across the bottom of my screen, they are also going to know what pages I was viewing at the time their messages were being presented. Where before, all certain sites had was an accumulation of cookie data which with some logic and effort could possibly eventually be matched with a name, address and credit card number, now all the guesswork is taken away. Now it just becomes a matter of 'my name is John Doe, I live in Anytown, USA, here is what pages I have been viewing, and here are the sites where I made purchases ...' ... and it would seem to me that twenty dollars per month is giving away that personal infor- mation rather cheaply. This of course says nothing about the banner ads, the double-clicks and assorted other intrusions which will continue to come our way. I do not think they will stop showing up on the screen merely because AllAdvantage.com says 'here are a few more ads for you in addition'. None of the others are going to *cease* sending their stuff just because the user has an agreement with AllAdvantage.com to look at theirs instead, and how many ads can be on the screen at the same time while still having some room for the requested information to be displayed? If a user tends to do all or most surfing at non-commercial web sites such as this one and lots of others where ads are non-existent, I see little to be gained by letting AllAdvantage.com place a ribbon or banner on the bottom of the screen merely to pick up an extra twenty dollars per month with all the risks to privacy that it entails. And that is assuming that they *are* for real, that they *do* actually make payments, and that they are not just another in the long, never- ending line of scams which come our way. Big assumptions, eh? I've not yet met anyone who got paid, and I wish someone would clarify or confirm this ASAP. If they are a scam, we can stop the discussion here. If they are for real, we can talk about it a bit more if anyone wishes. In any event, I am sure they expect to get more for their twenty dollars than just having you glance occassionally at the bottom of the screen. If a user tends to visit mostly commercial sites, all I see happening is just one more part of the screen clogged up, and yes, they said they would pay for it, but their payment is just a pittance against the larger backdrop of ads, privacy invaders, etc. Perhaps you say that twenty dollars monthly is what you pay your ISP, and that therefore by running the AllAdvantage.com banner or ribbon for two days straight at the start of the month (assuming you stay nailed down; you only get paid by AllAdvantage for forty hours at fifty cents each) you have met the cost of your ISP and get the essence of 'free' service the rest of the month. Well sweetheart, if it is free service you want, any number of places will give you twenty megs for your web pages, all the free email you can use, home pages with news, weather and you name it until you can't begin to use it all. Consider geocities.com or xoom.com for starters: they say take all you can use, we will just plaster your web site and email with advertising. At least with the sites which give you everything for free in exchange for advertising you can remain 'somewhat anonymous'. None of them actually send you something that requires a real name, address or signature as a check for twenty dollars -- if that ever materializes -- would require. Overall, I have a hard time recommending AllAdvantage.com at least until their honesty is demonstrated and I see what information they actually collect and what they do with it. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Eric Wampner Subject: Looking For Old AMX/81 Docs Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:15:09 -0400 Organization: Orlando Software Group, Inc. I just thought I'd ask again to see if anybody had any *OLD* Dialogic AMX/81 documentation. I believe the piece I am looking for is _AMX/8x Audio Multiplexer Hardware Reference Manual_. This should have been published around 1989 or so. I have tried several times to get some sign of life out of Dialogic support, but they continously reference me to some PDF files on their web site which don't cover what I am after. Please, if you have some old Dialogic documentation from that time, take a quick look and see if you have that particular manual. You will be saving the life of millions of innocent brain cells. Thanks in advance, Eric Wampner Orlando Software Group, Inc. eww@kataent.com Software Engineer (407) 366-0909 wampner.e.w@orlsoftgrp.com Systems Administrator fax (407) 366-2721 eww@iag.net ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: FTC Sues Three Web Site Providers For Illegal Billing Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:09:02 -0400 FTC Sues 3 Web Site Providers For Illegal Billing of Small Firms By Margaret Webb Pressler Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, June 18, 1999; Page E03 The Federal Trade Commission, as part of a new crackdown on Internet business fraud, said yesterday it has sued three World Wide Web site providers for illegally "cramming" charges for their services onto the phone bills of unsuspecting small-business owners. More than 300,000 small businesses nationwide were targeted by the Internet telemarketing companies, the FTC said, with an unknown number of those firms becoming victims of illegal charges that often went undetected. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-06/18/060r-061899-idx.html ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #156 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Jun 19 15:24:26 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA08876; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906191924.PAA08876@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #157 TELECOM Digest Sat, 19 Jun 99 15:24:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 157 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US (John Benedetto) Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US (Bob Keller) A Bell Tolls - Long Distance Phone & Telecom Clearinghouse (Mike Pollock) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (Jan Ceuleers) Re: Signing up With AllAdvantage.com (Tom Betz) Re: NYC Local Calls (Tom Betz) Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? (Ray Pichulo) U.S. Cellular Service in Israel (Eric Morson) Re: Question About Telephone Numbers (Gary Chatters) Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? (George Yanos) Re: 911 Locator Regulations For PBXs (Herb Stein) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 765 Junction City, KS 66441-0765 Phone: 415-520-9905 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe/unsubscribe: subscriptions@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. 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Views expressed herein should not be construed as represent-* * ing views of the ITU. * ************************************************************************* In addition, a gift from Mike Sandman, Chicago's Telecom Expert has enabled me to replace some obsolete computer equipment and enter the 21st century sort of on schedule. His mail order telephone parts/supplies service based in the Chicago area has been widely recognized by Digest readers as a reliable and very inexpensive source of telecom-related equipment. Please request a free catalog today at http://www.sandman.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help is important and appreciated. A suggested donation of twenty dollars per year per reader is considered appropriate. See our address above. Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Benedetto Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:17:23 -0400 joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) wrote: > Something is clearly wrong with cell service in the US. I can't > believe it's a technical problem, so it must be a political or > economic one. And so I repeat my question: does anyone know what > the problem is? Is it a digital phone? Many of the new digital sets can and are being programmed with a combination of "favored" "friendly" or "negative" SIDs. Some phones, after registering on a network with a negative SID (even where there is plenty of signal), will show no signal once they see the SID and have been programmed to ignore it. So the signal is really there, but the phone is told to ignore this. Most analog phones don't do this, they will simply find the strongest signal on the A or B band (whatever the phone is defaulted to) Cell providers do this to keep you on their own networks or those with whom they have the best roaming agreements, particularly when the different networks are A side in some areas and B side in other regions. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:09:05 -0700 From: Bob Keller Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US The following exchange from TELECOM Digest Vol 19 Issue 153: >>(don't forget, Sprint is not a cellular carrier). > Yes, they are. Well, it all depends. If you are talking about "Sprint Spectrum," then they are a cellular carrier only in the generic sense of the word, but they are actually a PCS carrier. If you are talking about "Sprint Cellular," then they are an honest-to-goodness cellular carrier. The distinction is important (or at least can be) because the "no roaming/no long distance" deals tend to be significantly different in practical application depending on which type of system you are on. For example, if you read the fine print in the AT&T Wireless plan (at least the one being marketed here in the DC area), it says you won't pay roaming while you are on their digital network. That ain't worth horse puckey when you go out of the 2 GHz PCS coverage area and fall back to digital or analog cellular. Then you are at the mercy of whether and with whom they may or may not have roaming agreements. The no roaming deal I have through Bell Atlantic Mobile has no such qualifications -- it says no roaming, period. So far I've traveled to various parts of the country (including areas well outside Bell Atlantic territory, e.g., California and Colorado) and this has held true -- no surprise charges on my bill when I return home. The service is cellular only (digital cellular, falling back to analog cellular if digital is not available), which I figure is more than good enough for now. While I don't have 2 GHz PCS coverage, I figure that (at least for a few years to come) if I am in an area of the country that does not have analog cellular coverage, it will be unlikely to have PCS coverage anyway. Bob Keller (www.his.com/~rjk) ------------------------------ From: Mike Pollock Subject: A Bell Tolls - Long Distance Phone and Telecom Clearinghouse Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:46:36 -0400 Organization: It's A Mike! Here's an interesting site. I make no claims about its accuracy, and I have no connection to it, despite the fact that one of the guys behind it has the same last name. We're not related. --Mike http://www.abelltolls.com/ The 1982 Consent Decree between the U.S. Dept of Justice and AT&T divested 'Ma Bell' of its Bell Operating Companies (BOCs). Today the U.S. consumer enjoys the lowest priced, widest ranging suite of telecommunications services in the world. Sadly, this telecommunications nirvana has passed over the monthly phone bill and finding straightforward information on pricing is challenging, to say the least. As a final customer service U.S. telecommunications companies appear to have adopted the 'hire-a-comedian' approach to information dissemination. Enter A Bell Tolls, The Long Distance Telephone and Telecommunications Clearinghouse. We're dedicated to providing consumers and businesses information for making intelligent decisions in their quests for telecommunications nirvana. The creators of A Bell Tolls were sitting around a fine restaurant table one evening talking about the state of the telecommunications industry and realized that although the internet is the bridge to the 21st century, and all that jazz, that it could also serve as a wonderful information source for the plain old telephone industry (POTI?). They batted around the idea for a bit and decided to create a central location for information on the telecommunications industry. It would be a place to find all the webpages of long distance carriers, find information about the best rate plans (we all know that rate plans are way too complex for consumers to track!), and find some interesting tidbits about the industry. If you have tidbits to share feel free to send them to us! We'd especially like to collect old Ma Bell, MCI and Sprint stories from pre-1982 participants. If that's you, send in your story! Interested in how we compose our charts and why? Read the full story. Scott McCoy is the Networked PC Specialist (the Intel guy) at an intimate public institution of higher learning set in a redwood forest overlooking the Monterey Bay. He believes that clear pronunciation and ascii text are the keys to good communication. He has 3 phone lines into his house and plans to launch his personal satellite communications system, Jan 1, 2001 (built-in Y2K compliance). Justin Pollock is a graduate student at a snooty, private institution of higher learning instead of a cool, hip, public institution where people learn to think for themselves rather than about themselves. He likes Friday night dates and playing with the Ur-dog, Reka (all too frequently on Friday nights). Marc-David Seidel is an assistant professor of management at The University of Texas at Austin. He is also the founder and president of Airlines of the Web. Marc-David has a huge phone bill that he always tries to minimize. ------------------------------ From: Jan Ceuleers Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:32:57 +0200 Organization: the Experimenter Board Reply-To: jan.ceuleers@computer.org Arthur Ross wrote: > In the EU countries operators are REQUIRED to run an ETSI-approved > standard, of which right now there is one: GSM. They have leveraged > this into world-wide dominance -- the GSM organization has more than > 300 operator members in something like 130 countries. There are far > more GSM subscribers world-wide than CDMA, even though the latter is a > far-superior technical standard. Even with different frequency plans, > it would not be difficult to run the same air interface and network > protocols if they really wanted to. > I personally think this is an appalling situation. And so does the US > government. There have been nastygrams exchanged between Washington & > Brussels over the last few months regarding this Euopean use of its > regulatory regime to exclude competition and manipulate markets. I'm sorry, but I fail to see how this excludes competition. In the markets for GSM infrastructure and terminals, American companies are quite successful, you know. Americans are also well represented as shareholders of European and other GSM operators. Moreover, the fact that so many operators use the same technology also means that in many cases there are several competing operators in the same service area, all using GSM technology. This once again encourages competition, as it reduces the barriers for users to switch to another operator. As you rightly said elsewhere, the GSM market is huge. It's not limited to Europe. The bigger the market, the more attractive it becomes for equipment manufacturers. The standard is open and widely available. Where are the barriers to competition you are talking about? Also: unlike CDMA, there are no licensing strings attached to GSM. Jan ------------------------------ From: tbetz@panix.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Re: Signing up With AllAdvantage.com Date: 19 Jun 1999 09:08:51 -0400 Organization: Society for the Elimination of Junk Unsolicited Bulk Email Reply-To: tbetz@pobox.com Quoth Corazon DeGuzman in : > I recently joined a new Internet service called AllAdvantage.com. You > should definitely consider becoming a member. It's a pyramid scam, and this submission is just another spam for it. I'm surprised Pat let this go through to the list. [ Pat said: ] > Overall, I have a hard time recommending AllAdvantage.com at least > until their honesty is demonstrated and I see what information they > actually collect and what they do with it. PAT] I'd take it further; just stay away from it. |We have tried ignorance | Tom Betz, Generalist | |for a very long time, and | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE:| |it's time we tried education.| | || YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED!| [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, maybe it is a scam and maybe not. It certainly is not a 'traditional' pyramid scheme in any event. In those, new participants are asked to put forward some amount of money which is divided among earlier participants; in order to recover the money one 'invested' (threw away?) it is necessary to get still more people participating under you. The AllAdvantage.com people, on the other hand, ask for no money from participants; only the right to display advertising messages on your screen for which they will pay you money -- they claim -- and a smaller amount of money for persons who join the same program at your behest. Presumably the advertisers pay all the money into the pool, and the viewers draw all the money out of the pool, less AllAdvantage.com administrative costs and profit. On its face, it seems to be a good deal for internet advertisers. Their ads are getting exposure with a highly-qualified audience: persons who have specifically stated they are willing to read advertising while surfing the net. My questions instead are these: Are they are actually paying as promised, or was this just a way of getting netters to submit personal information about themselves for other purposes? If so, shame on them, and they need to be exposed in widely circulated media such as this newsletter. If they are paying as promised, precisely what information are they collecting from participants if any -- I cannot imagine they would not be at least collecting a little information -- and what are they doing with that information? They've already got your name and address on file; they had to get that in order to mail your money each month. If they are not paying as promised, is there something nefarious behind it all, i.e. getting netters to expose themselves either out of trust (remember when we all had trust in each other here years ago?) or per- haps out of greed on the part of netters who think they can Make Money Fast and Retire Early by participating. Or perhaps, some of both. Many con games depend heavily on a cooperative victim; someone who suspects they will get to share in the loot but then they get outwitted by others in the scheme; i.e. 'bank examiner', 'I found a purse with money on the sidewalk, share it with me', etc. Or perhaps if they are not paying, there is nothing nefarious about it at all; perhaps AllAdvantage.com simply has not been able to secure any (or enough) advertisers to make it work, and I am sort of leaning in this direction in my own thinking about them. Maybe the people behind it sat down one evening, had a great idea for providing a useful service to the net, and it simply has not worked out. It would not be the first time. After all, if advertisers can throw together sort of cheap and cheesy banners which can be transmitted constantly for essentially free on any number of 'banner exchange networks' on the net and send email for 'free' (we know how that goes!) then why should they pay a group like AllAdvantage.com a relatively hefty sum of money to qualify the people who get their messages? This approach would insure that their messages went in an inoffensive way to netters who were willing to see them, but who cares about that sort of thing around here anymore? Despite their web site assurances to the contrary, and their press releases that all is well and business is thriving, my hunch is that business on the net is *horrible* for about 95 percent of the banner advertisers and small business people on the net. They keep their chin up and say positive things about themselves and their efforts, because if a netter does come along willing to spend money rather than take what is offered for free, would he rather spend the money on a winner or a loser? Our tradition over the years of freeware and shareware has made it very difficult for them. Does anyone actually bother to try and *sell* software on the net any longer? That's where I think AllAdvantage.com might be at. If they came here to spam and scam and enlist the services, unwitting or otherwise, of netters who hoped to get a slice of the pie, then they need to be exposed. I am glad I could help do that. If they mean well, and just can't get things together, then I am glad to tell about them also. To be sure, *money* is the essence of it all. If some people want to write and say 'yes, I received a check from them' and show us what the little banner looks like, etc, I for one will start to feel a little more comfortable with their efforts. PAT] ------------------------------ From: tbetz@panix.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Re: NYC Local Calls Date: 19 Jun 1999 09:16:45 -0400 Organization: Society for the Elimination of Junk Unsolicited Bulk Email Reply-To: tbetz@pobox.com Quoth Jon Solomon in : > I hear BA is offering unlimited calling as an option in the NYC area. I can't speak for the five boroughs, but I have unlimited regional (as opposed to local) calling for about $12/month (doubled from the $6/month it was four years ago when I signed up for it) in Westchester. I could have had local as well for a small incremental addition, or unlimited local calls alone, but I make very few local calls, so to save money, I opted for regional only. Since my Internet provider has dialups outside my local area, I use them exclusively for my dual-channel DOV ISDN calls, and make more than $700 worth of local calls a month for that $12. |We have tried ignorance | Tom Betz, Generalist | |for a very long time, and | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: | |it's time we tried education.| | || YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! | ------------------------------ From: Ray Pichulo Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:05:12 GMT Organization: RP Laboratory Yep ... I lived in DC and marveled at the simplicity of the numbering plan within the three NPA's. HOWEVER, when one considers that Washington DC is literally under the Fed's collective noses, it makes sense to keep those people happy. Unfortunately for those of us living in the rest of the country, there is no such incentive :( Michael Quinn wrote: > Here in the Washington DC area, we have 3 area codes available to each > other as local calls: 703 (Northern VA), 202 (DC) and 301 (suburban > MD). 1 is not required, nor is it necessary to dial the area code if > you are originating a call in that same area code. I believe I heard > that there will be in overlay in Northern VA next spring, which will > require all 10 digits for all calls, even those originating in the > same area code. I agree -- it doesn't seem to make much sense on the > surface. Ray Pichulo - W1IRH - | Email:ray@pichulo.REMOVETHIS.com RP Laboratory | WWW: http://world.std.com/~rplab Carlisle MA 01741 | "Life is like a dog sled team - if you're not the lead dog, the scenery never changes." ------------------------------ From: Eric@AreaCode-Info.com (Eric Morson) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:28:30 -0400 Subject: U.S. Cellular Service in Israel I have BAM Dual mode CDMA/AMPS service and will likely be going to Israel later this year. I know that Israel uses the same AMPS system we do here and they have lots of TDMA, and are rolling out CDMA 800MHz (NON-Sprint PCS 1900MHz CDMA). Does anyone know: 1) If my service will allow automatic roaming, or will I have to get a temporary Israeli number in a spare NAM? 2) What sort of charges should I expect to pay for intra-Israeli calls and calls back to the U.S.? Eric B. Morson Co-Webmaster AreaCode-Info.com EMail: Eric@AreaCode-Info.com ------------------------------ From: gc@rat.cen.com (Gary Chatters) Subject: Re: Question About Telephone Numbers Organization: Century Computing, Inc., Laurel, MD Date: 18 Jun 1999 18:25:21 -0400 In article , Aoife Morrissy wrote: > I'm writing from Ireland where I am trying to do some research on > telephone numbers and the theory behind what makes a "good" number And Patrick annotated: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I think 'good' and 'bad' are subjective [...] > cast or time of day message? The owners of some numbers which are > repetitive digits often get plagued with 'wrong number' calls from > people seeking a transposition of the same repetitive numbers, for > example, 2141 might get a lot of calls from people seeking 4121. I do This is a very familiar pair. A few years ago my residence was -4121 and a nearby doctors' office was -2141. I guestimated my home phone regularly received about three calls per day for the doctors. I didn't have to answer most of them since I wasn't home during the day, but it could get interesting when someone would call in the evening with an urgent problem and start giving me details about their medical troubles before I had a chance to tell them they had a wrong number. I finally switched to a new suffix, -9022, which very rarely gets wrong numbers. gc [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Oh gee, I thought maybe you were going to say that you sued the doctors to get them to change their phone number or you started giving out bogus medical advice over the phone to teach the patients a lesson for dialing the wrong number. It is quite common here in the USA that when someone has a phone number which is frequently confused with that of some large corporation (for example, a hotel reservation service or a customer service department whose 800 number resembles your own seven-digit number) to make trouble for the company by suing them or abusing their customers, or both. Regards the dim-witted customers, I can almost agree with any proposals made about them ... but some have gone so far as to suggest, actually demand, that the company should be forced to change its number as well. Remember reading here a couple years ago about the lady who was having trouble with the new hotel built in her town whose phone number was similar to her own? And who can forget Mike Royko, the crude and ignorant columnist for the {Chicago Sun Times) -- until they fired him, and the {Tribune} took him instead -- who actually suggested it was the fault of AT&T that so many of their customers forgetting to dial 800 first were winding up on his direct-dial line in his office. He wanted AT&T to change their number; it was up to them to placate him, poor abused consumer and all that. But you chose to change your number instead, to one that was very unlikely to get misdialed calls, although as my aquaintence would say on reading the '9022' part: oooh! ick! what kind of number is that and why would anyone want it? Someone who wants peace and quiet I guess. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:44:16 CST From: George Yanos Subject: Re: Reply to editor@telecom-digest.org on Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:19:32 -0400 (EDT) > said when *calling within his own area code, when not calling outside > his area code ...* in other words, he wants the 555-1234 that is > within his area code. In that case, why is ten or eleven digits (if > you count the '1' on the front) needed? PAT] Something I've been wondering about for some time. Once we have to dial an area code for every call, why do we need to continue with the 1- prefix? It would seem that there is no longer a need to anounce that you will be dialing 10 digits because you always dial ten digits. George Yanos 708-205-6788 GYanos@uic.edu [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Many people believe the '1' on the front does more than just alert the switch regards the context of the next three digits dialed; it also serves to remind the user that a toll call is happening, a call that may cost them extra money. PAT] ------------------------------ From: herb@herbstein.com (Herb Stein) Subject: Re: 911 Locator Regulations For PBXs Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:38:51 GMT Organization: newsread.com ISP News Reading Service (http://www.newsread.com) This beond the doubt the dumbest assortment of laws that I've ever seen. I have a phone system (behind a PBX/EPBX) for my convenience, no one else's. I'll route 911 calls to DIAL-A-PRAYER if I choose. We need less rules. Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 215-3584 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Many times administrators of large institutional settings would *prefer* that their own staff respond first to calls from the public for police or fire department assis- tance. Then, the appropriate staff person will decide whether or not police department or fire department intervention is required. This presupposes of course that you have well-trained and profess- ional security people on your staff; it makes the assumption that your building engineer knows the difference between an odor of smoke or a smoke detector going off as a result of a motor which needs oil or someone who carelessly threw a lighted cigarette in a trash disposal unit versus a real, actual, out of control fire. Building managers will tell you that certain tenants of the building or visitors/employees will call 911 at the slightest provocation; i.e. they saw a 'suspicious person' in the vicinity or they 'smell smoke coming from somewhere'. In their hysteria, they will report some major incident to police/fire that does not exist. As a result it may be best for a *well-trained* -- that is the key phrase here -- staff person to first evaluate the circumstances. No one operating a large complex, whether it is a factory, a cluster of offices, a school, a residential building or whatever likes having police or fire personnel there frequently for essentially false alarms. It disrupts the activities of others, and gives the place a sort of 'bad reputation' amongst emergency response agencies. Where you wind up in trouble however when you intercept 911 calls via your own staff is that there may be an actual situation where a minute wasted was a minute too many. Then the user sues you for delaying his call for emergency intervention, especially if someone gets hurt or killed. Years ago, when AT&T ran everything through its 'Bell System', one part of the 'same system for everyone' rules involving training for PBX operators dealt with security matters. Those privatly employed switchboard operators for large institutions, etc none the less had to be certified by Bell to be allowed to run the switchboard. It was part of the tariff. The rules were that unless the operator(s) were personally in danger (i.e. a fire in the phone room), they were to do these things upon report from an extension user reporting a fire: (1) place their switchboard on emergency-call-only status; (2) immediatly notify the building engineer or other maintainence employees;(3) those employees would then report that either they would attend to the matter or that indeed the Fire Department was needed; (4) the telephone operator was the ONLY person authorized to call the Fire Department and would do so in a calm manner making certain the address and location within the premises was clearly understood; (5) based on instructions from building engineer or maintainence staff the operator would respond to the numerous callers instructing the callers in evacuation procedures if such were needed, or perhaps instructing the callers to remain in their room/office with their doors closed by an open window for fresh air while awaiting further instructions, etc; (6) if fire department does order evacuation, begin calling several extensions at once with all lines bridged open and begin repeating over and over into the open line the instructions given by firemen or building employees; simply keep pulling as many ringing keys at one time as your fingers can reach, all talking paths open and saying your message over and over again, etc. A fire at the Chicago Union Stockyards in 1935 showed how it was to be done and Bell operators got that as part of their training. The YARds telephone exchange (now 773-927) sat almost in the middle of the stockyards complex. In a fire that lasted eight hours and burned most of it down, with intense black smoke drifting for a couple miles in any direction into the residential neighborhood known as 'Back of the Yards' understandably there was much panic among neighborhood residents. The phone operators sat there the entire time, coordinating communications between firemen in different parts of the complex (there was no radio communication among emergency personnel as is possible today) and telling some thirty thousand neighborhood residents who were constantly calling the operator in a panic that things were under control; that if the fire were to spread, they (the operators) would be there to notify them and instruct them what to do based on messages from the firemen, etc. That was Bell System's way of dealing with emergencies either at community level or perhaps just in a part of the community. The operator's duty to coordinate emergency communications as needed in the community were taken very seriously. Of course, we do not have a Bell System any longer. Judge Greene did not think it was necessary, and that it was unfair to the newcomers. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #157 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Jun 20 16:17:11 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA17070; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:17:11 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906202017.QAA17070@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #158 TELECOM Digest Sun, 20 Jun 99 16:17:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 158 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Question About Telephone Numbers (Julian Thomas) Re: Question About Telephone Numbers (Judith Oppenheimer) Re: U.S. Cellular Service in Israel (Jeffrey William McKeough) Re: U.S. Cellular Service in Israel (Danny Bateman) Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US (Robert Alexander) Re: 1+ Toll Notifier (Stan Schwartz) Re: 1+ Toll Notifier (Patrick Tufts) Re: Now That I'm Paying For it, Where is it? (Robert Alexander) Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize (srini_v@my-deja.com) Anybody Speak 3Com? (L. Shaping) Re: 911 Locator Regulations For PBXs (wdg@hal-pc.org) Re: 911 Locator Regulations For PBXs (Bill Levant) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jt5555@epix.net (Julian Thomas) Subject: Re: Question About Telephone Numbers Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:45:12 GMT Don't know what makes a good number, but one class of BAD numbers are those numbers where one digit is one off from a local movie theater. I've had several such numbers over the years (unfortunately, before machines were available to screen the calls). Julian Thomas: jt 5555 at epix dot net http://home.epix.net/~jt remove numerics for email Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Eagles may soar, but weasels aren't sucked into jet engines. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Prior to dialing, when all calls were placed by verbally passing the number to an operator, this was even then a problem with movie theatres or other 'popular places' with telephone information lines attached to them. In Whiting, Indiana for example, with which I am familiar, the number '1234' was assigned to the Hoosier Auditorium Theatre, a downtown Whiting place for movies (and in still older times) vaudeville shows, etc, for the purpose of information on show times, prices, and reservations. I think they had '1235' as their office/administrative number. From about 1956 onward, it was on an answering machine (as such existed in those days) giving the information mechanically to callers. People asking the operator for the number would quite often say '2134' by accident and they would get connected to the family who owned that number instead. Or they would ask for '1243' -- although not quite as often, the first two digits being verbally transposed more often than the final two digits -- and that person would get annoyed instead. It apparently happened often enough that the plug for 2134 on the switchboards was marked a certain way to catch the operator's attention and the operator was supposed to quickly ask the caller, 'do you want the theatre?' and if the person said yes, then put them on 1234 instead after telling the caller they had asked for the wrong number. Ditto for the Fire Department administrative offices which were on 2131 versus the local high school which was 3121. For the few actual emergencies which came along there was no literal number assigned, people were to 'tell the operator you want to report a fire' or 'tell the operator you want to speak with police', but the administrative numbers for both, because they were deliberatly repetitive, easy to remember digits were often times tossed around by callers in error looking for other things. In smaller towns like that, the operator usually knew what the caller wanted, regardless of what the caller actually said, although strictly speaking, they were to give the caller what he actually asked for, without any questions asked. And of course invariably the operator got blamed for the wrong connection; the caller never considered himself to be at fault; sometimes it was the operator's fault however. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:54:46 -0400 From: Judith Oppenheimer Organization: ICB Toll Free News / WhoSells800.com Subject: Re: Question About Telephone Numbers > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: ... It is quite common here in the USA > that when someone has a phone number which is frequently confused with > that of some large corporation (for example, a hotel reservation > service or a customer service department whose 800 number resembles > your own seven-digit number) to make trouble for the company by suing > them ... ] In a related scenario, a company sued because the carrier assigned it a previously high-volume 800 number. The District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania referred this matter, Unimat, Inc. v. MCI Telecommunications Corp., Civ. Action No. 92-9541, to the FCC. The FCC ruled in favor of the carrier, MCI (TOLL-FREE NUMBERS ORDER, FILE NO. ENF-96-07, DA 99-983), saying in part, "absent any extenuating circumstances ... which might indicate the presence of willful or gross negligence, we first find that a carrier may assign a particular toll-free number to a subscriber, without disclosing that number's history to the prospective subscriber." ... also, "from MCI's governing toll-free service tariff, the pertinent term of its limitation of liability provision states: MCI shall not be liable at all for the use, misuse, or abuse of a customer's 800 Service by third parties, including, without limitation, the customer's employees or members of the public who dial the customer's 800 number by mistake." Judith Oppenheimer ICB Toll Free News (http://icbtollfree.com) WhoSells800.com (http://whosells800.com) ICB Consulting (http://800consulting.com) Moderator, TOLLFREE-L (http://www.egroups.com/list/tollfree-l/) email:internet:joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com ------------------------------ From: sandris@spdcc.com (Jeffrey William McKeough) Subject: Re: U.S. Cellular Service in Israel Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:23:10 GMT In article , Eric Morson wrote: > 1) If my service will allow automatic roaming, or will I have to get a > temporary Israeli number in a spare NAM? > 2) What sort of charges should I expect to pay for intra-Israeli calls > and calls back to the U.S.? There's an Israeli cellphone FAQ at that might be useful. Jeffrey William McKeough sandris@spdcc.com sandris@homosexualmenace.com jwm@spdcc.com "I don't remember what the Fast of Gedaliah is about, but it sure sounds girly to me." -Gavi ------------------------------ From: Danny Bateman Subject: Re: U.S. Cellular Service in Israel Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 06:50:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. In article , Eric@AreaCode-Info. com (Eric Morson) wrote: > I have BAM Dual mode CDMA/AMPS service and will likely be going to > Israel later this year. I know that Israel uses the same AMPS system we > do here and they have lots of TDMA, and are rolling out CDMA 800MHz > (NON-Sprint PCS 1900MHz CDMA). > Does anyone know: > 1) If my service will allow automatic roaming, or will I have to get a > temporary Israeli number in a spare NAM? Automatic roaming will only work if you have GSM. I don't know anyone who has done it, but the spare NAM might work. I have heard of people that moved here and got an acount with cellcom (see below) . > 2) What sort of charges should I expect to pay for intra-Israeli calls > and calls back to the U.S.? Cellphone calls are cheap in Israel, and Calling Party Pays, so you don't pay for incoming calls. Israel has three providers: 1. Cellcom - CMDA service, cheapest provider, a cellcom to cellcom call is about $US0.12 per minute! Calls to Bezeq, the PSTN, cost more. http://www.cellcom.co.il:80/framemain2.html (English). 2. Orange, aka Partner, the new boy on the block, provides GSM service. More expensive than cellcom. Hebrew only web :( , http://www.orange.co.il/ 3. Pelephone. The original provider, TDMA and digital (CDMA?) service. The most expensive provider. Hebrew only web :( , http://www.pelephone.co.il Calls back to the US are via of the the three international providers and are cheaper than calls from US to Israel. Get more info from cell provider or international provider (Bezeq International, Kavei Zahav [Yellow lines] or Barak. Danny Bateman bateman at shani.net ------------------------------ From: R.M.A.@pdq.net (Robert Alexander) Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:46:50 GMT On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:00:22 -0400, Ken M. wrote: > Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: >> Except that in the US cell phone coverage is very poor. I still I don't live in the US, I live in Texas which is a part of the United States of America. Anyway, it depends on your carrier. GTE has worked for me almost everywhere ... but in some places you need to call the operator before making calls. Aerial has been fairly good to extremely good everywhere they have service with the note that sometimes I cannot call from within certain structures. Houston Cellular (ATT) works everywhere (almost) but their voice quality could be improved alot. ------------------------------ Reply-To: stannc.no1spam@yahoo.com From: Stan Schwartz Subject: Re: 1+ Toll Notifier Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 01:35:28 -0400 In TD V19 #157, Telecom Digest Editor wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Many people believe the '1' on the > front does more than just alert the switch regards the context of > the next three digits dialed; it also serves to remind the user > that a toll call is happening, a call that may cost them extra > money. PAT] This would be a nice idea if it was standardized all over the country. While on a recent trip to Seattle, the local (USWest) phone book's dialing instructions directed callers to dial the area code for all calls within the 206 NPA (it was still permissive in the area that I was in), but be sure NOT to dial 1+206 because even a local call could get billed as a toll call. This is ludicrous!!! Once the NANP standardizes on NPA+7D dialing for local calls, 1+NPA+7D should be used for "a toll may apply". However, that only seems logical (to me) so it could never work. Stan ------------------------------ From: zippy@cs.brandeis.edu (Patrick Tufts) Subject: Re: 1+ Toll Notifier Date: 20 Jun 1999 06:04:01 GMT Organization: Brandeis University, Waltham MA George Yanos writes: > Once we have to dial an area code for every call, why do we need to > continue with the 1- prefix? Training for the day when we have country code overlays. --Pat [TELECOM Digest Editor's Gasp of Indignation: Oh really! Its probably not far off at the rate things are going. PAT] ------------------------------ From: R.M.A.@pdq.net (Robert Alexander) Subject: Re: Now That I'm Paying For it, Where is it? (Number Portability) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:46:47 GMT On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:01:34 -0700, "Someone" wrote: > I see that beginning 3/15/99, US West is charging all telephone > subscribers 53 cents per line for "Service Provider Number > Portability." Great! Now that I'm paying for it, where can I get it? > There are no alternative companies from which I can get dialtone! Is > this just another "hidden tax?" We are compelled to pay the phone > company as a de-facto tax-collection arm of the federal government, > while getting nothing in return. I dunno about that tax but YES, the government in general knows how to waste and steal money from the people who put them into power ... often times deceptive. ------------------------------ From: srini_v@my-deja.com Subject: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:41:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Hi, A few days back a telemarketer from a long distance company called and talked to my wife. A few days later, the long distance service was switched to the new company. My wife does not specifically remember if she authorized the switch. The phone is in my name, and my wife is not yet in the authorized list of persons that can update my account. I had given this list to my local telephone company a year back. My question is, even if assuming that my wife authorized the switch, is it legal? Thanks, srini ------------------------------ From: NoSpam@mindspring.com (LShaping@...) Subject: Anybody Speak 3Com? Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:01:42 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises I need updated drivers for my Internet Discovery Suite modem. At 3Com's web site http://www.3com.com/products/index.html that modem is very easy to find. From there, you follow path (Modems > U.S. Robotics 56K Modems > 56K Internet Discovery Suite) But at 3Com's software driver search page http://dcms.3com.com/softwarelibrary/search.htm I have no idea what to search for to find the drivers for this modem. Does anybody know specifically how to find the drivers for this modem at 3Com's site? Thanks, LShaping [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Have you tried asking the webmaster or other person in charge of that web site where to find things? I am sure they would be more likely to know than anyone here. PAT] ------------------------------ From: wdg@hal-pc.org Subject: Re: 911 Locator Regulations For PBXs Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 03:13:31 GMT Organization: You only wish you were this organized On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:38:51 GMT, in comp.dcom.telecom TELECOM Digest Editor wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Many times administrators of large > institutional settings would *prefer* that their own staff respond > first to calls from the public for police or fire department assis- > tance. Then, the appropriate staff person will decide whether or > not police department or fire department intervention is required. > This presupposes of course that you have well-trained and profess- > ional security people on your staff; it makes the assumption that > your building engineer knows the difference between an odor of > smoke or a smoke detector going off as a result of a motor which > needs oil or someone who carelessly threw a lighted cigarette in > a trash disposal unit versus a real, actual, out of control fire. [snip] As defacto sysadmin of a fairly large (3600-port) enterprise class PBX, I feel somewhat qualified to comment. To satisfy my legal beagles, I "bridge" rather than intercept 911 calls. The call proceeds on to the PSAP normally, but does so over a separate, small dedicated analog loop-start trunk group (911 traffic only). There are audio bridges on these trunks which feed plain-Jane Orator monitor speakers located in three areas; building security, the nurse's station and building maintenance. The PBX gives me the calling extension in real time (at the initial onset of the call) which is splashed against a database of internal numbers. This gives me the originating extension, location and the assigned user name, date and timestamp, again all in real time, within ten seconds of onset of the call. This information is sent to small serial "instrument" printers (via short haul modems) in the three aforementioned areas. There is a multi-line analog key system bridged onto these trunks so that bldg. security can "join" the call should the need arise. Their Orator speaker is wired through the off-normal contacts of the switchook of their emergency phone to mute it and preclude feedback. During a typical 911 call the following things occur: 1. Most important from a legal standpoint, the call proceeds to the PSAP uninterrupted and in real time; 2. Security, overhearing the call on their monitor and seeing the location on their printer, dispatches two CPR-trained guards to the location, mostly for 'onlooker control' though they are trained to assist if called upon; 3. The company nurse, overhearing the call on her monitor and seeing the location on her printer, also proceeds to the location with a medical 'crash' bag that just recently now includes a cardiac defibrillator; 4. Building maintainence dispatches a person to the street in front of the building to meet the arriving emergency personnel and escort them to the scene; 5. Building maintainence dispatches a second person to "hold" the freight elevator for exclusive use by emergency personnel; 6. Yes, it's recorded. All the above begins happening while the original caller is still on the phone with the PSAP. All of the internal personnel responding are in radio contact with each other. I do not have problems with inappropriate 911 calls or accidental 911 misdials, in spite of the fact that the routing tables in the PBX will accept *either* 911 or 9-911. I have programmed the routing tables to look for any additional 'superfluous' digits and intercept those calls and send them to building security without outpulsing them on the 911 trunk group. Thus the only way to dial 911 is to dial those 3 digits explicitly and no other digits to follow or to explicitly dial 9-911, again with no additional digits to follow. Yes, this causes the genuine article 911 call to pause in the route tables momentarily (4 seconds), but is a necessary evil when your legal dept mandates that both 911 and 9-911 be handled in the same way. The legal dept had no problem with the 4-second call processing delay, which incidentally can be bypassed with the '#' terminator. (The nurse and building security both know this.) > Building managers will tell you that certain tenants of the building > or visitors/employees will call 911 at the slightest provocation; I have never found that to be the case in my building. Even in the face of some pretty extensive "blood in the hallways" layoffs a few years ago, there were no disgruntleds maliciously dialing 911. I did have one instance where a fire pull station was maliciously activated, but that's once in 12 years with over 1,000 employees in the building. > Where you wind up in trouble however when you intercept 911 calls > via your own staff is that there may be an actual situation where > a minute wasted was a minute too many. Then the user sues you for > delaying his call for emergency intervention, especially if someone > gets hurt or killed. This is exactly the reason that I do not divert or intercept 911 calls. To do so, IMO, is an open invitation to an expensive lawsuit. std. disclaimers apply. I do not represent my employer in this forum [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Your setup seems to me to be ideal; it is about as close as you can come to having control over emergency situations which arise and whether or not there is an actual emergency. I should have also pointed out before that building managers do not like having emergency personnel showing up with them in the dark about some alleged incident. ("We got a call that there was a lot of smoke in the hallway on the fourteenth floor ... do you know anything about it?") And of course staff knows nothing about it and come off looking like idiots. Your PBX operator also needs training in handling emergency calls which come to the switchboard first, and training in handling a massive number of calls i.e. the switchboard being lit up like the proverbial Christmas Tree, which come in from anxious and hysterical tenants and employees, etc when they see fire engines arriving or police running around through the complex. What about calls from outside which the PBX operator gets first such as a bomb threat? Has the operator been trained to respond calmly and courteously to a person making a bomb threat? The operator needs to obtain all the details possible such as where it is located, when it will explode and why. Does the caller have a grudge against the institution for some reason? Details like this can be extremely important at a later time. Is there a procedure in place for the operator to use in notifying selected members of staff? Does the operator have their pager numbers, or in the event of overhead paging, are there agreed upon code words and phrases the operator should use in stressing to management or security people that an emergency exists while not getting everyone else frightened and distracted from their own work? Can the operator place calls on the loud speakers you mentioned in your security and maintainence departments in the same way calls to 911 or 9-911 are placed on those loud speakers? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:42:59 EDT Subject: Re: 911 Locator Regs In issue #157, Herb Smith wrote, ungrammatically ... > We need less rules. Uh, Herb. We think you mean "fewer" rules. This time we'll let you off with just a warning. ;) --- The Grammar Police [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Uh, sir, if you are from the police, I'll have to ask you to get a warrant before you come in this newsgroup snooping around. In conclusion, a short note from Allan Olbur at 847-934-0580 sent to Herb -- or really anyone interested -- points out that 911 response systems for managers of PBX / centrex type situations in large commercial or institutional settings are available which will minimize potential liability and provide equal access to E-911 in a workplace setting from his company Infratech. His website is http://209.172.186.90 for persons interested in pursuing this, or readers are invited to call. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #158 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Jun 21 17:44:12 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA03134; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:44:12 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906212144.RAA03134@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #159 TELECOM Digest Mon, 21 Jun 99 17:44:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 159 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telecom Update (Canada) #188, June 21, 1999 (Angus TeleManagement) How is Roaming in Montana? (Jerome Yuzyk) 1-700-555 For Carrier ID (David Esan) Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:03:10 -0400 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #188, June 21, 1999 ************************************************************ * * * TELECOM UPDATE * * Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin * * http://www.angustel.ca * * Number 188: June 21, 1999 * * * * Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by * * generous financial support from: * * * * AT&T Canada ............... http://www.attcanada.com/ * * Bell Canada ............... http://www.bell.ca/ * * Lucent Technologies ....... http://www.lucent.ca/ * * MetroNet Communications ... http://www.metronet.ca/ * * Sprint Canada ............. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ * * Telus Communications....... http://www.telus.com/ * * TigerTel Services ......... http://www.citydial.com/ * * * ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** CBTA Declares Bankruptcy; TeleCon Cancelled ** Intrigna Launched in BC, Alberta ** Purchase Gives MaxLink National LMCS License ** Primus Buys Local Service Reseller ** New Rate Plans at Bell Mobility ** Canadian Wireless Ranked World's Most Affordable ** Number Portability Comes to Halifax ** C1 Registers as Local Carrier ** ITU Adopts Voice Over Internet Standard ** Northwestel Payphone Rates to Stay at 25 Cents ** Voice Mail Now a Local Call from QuebecTel Payphones ** ExpressVu to Provide In-Flight TV ** NBTel Sues Fundy for Unpaid Bills ** Telus Offers E-Commerce Service ** Switchview Provides Web Access to Telecom Data ** Web Site Targets Call Center Staffing ** Dave House to Leave Nortel ** Phil Lind Honored as Cable Pioneer ** NBTel, Union Sign Contract ** Siemens, Fujitsu Merge Computer Businesses ** Qwest Joins Bidding for U S West ** Nine Days Left for Telemanagement Bonus CBTA DECLARES BANKRUPTCY; TELECON CANCELLED: The Canadian Business Telecommunications Alliance, Canada's largest organization of business telecom users, has declared bankruptcy and cancelled its annual TeleCon conference and trade show. All but one of the organization's employees have been laid off, its office is closed, and its Web site is no longer on line. ** The 37-year-old CBTA attributes its financial crisis to "a low level of trade show sales for TeleCon '99," which was to be held in Toronto in October. The Alliance's Board says it was unable to find other sources of funds. INTRIGNA LAUNCHED IN BC, ALBERTA: On June 21, MTS and Bell Canada announced that their joint venture to offer local telephone service to businesses in BC and Alberta, in competition with Telus, will operate under the name Intrigna. The company's President and CEO is Murray Korth, former President and CEO of ISM Alberta and a former Telus executive. PURCHASE GIVES MAXLINK NATIONAL LMCS LICENSE: MaxLink Communications, which holds an LMCS license for 33 markets, has bought the other two licensees, WIC Connexus and RegionalVision, giving it the ability to offer wireless broadband service in 207 cities and towns across Canada. ** As part of the deal, Newbridge Networks is dropping its $1-Billion suit against WIC Connexus for breach of contract. (See Telecom Update #172) PRIMUS BUYS LOCAL SERVICE RESELLER: Primus Telecommunications has paid US$5 Million to acquire Telephone Savings Network, a Windsor-based Centrex reseller which has some 12,000 local business lines in operation. Primus aims to be a facilities- based local carrier. NEW RATE PLANS AT BELL MOBILITY: Bell Mobility's new RealTime plans eliminate roaming charges in Canada. The first two of six price levels are $29 for 150 minutes and $49 for 400 minutes; extra minutes are 25 cents. Most previous plans have been withdrawn. ** Bell Mobility now offers a tri-mode handset, the Nokia 6185, which provides digital service at the 800 MHz frequency used by Mobility companies in British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Nova Scotia. CANADIAN WIRELESS RANKED WORLD'S MOST AFFORDABLE: A Yankee Group rating of average wireless airtime costs relative to average monthly salaries ranks Canada as the world's "most affordable" country for wireless, followed by Finland and Italy. Canada's average per-minute cost (25 cents) is the world's sixth-lowest. NUMBER PORTABILITY COMES TO HALIFAX: MTT reports that Local Number Portability will be available in Halifax on July 12. C1 REGISTERS AS LOCAL CARRIER: C1 Communications has registered with the CRTC as a Competitive Local Exchange Carrier. C1 is continuing the commercial business of Fundy Communications, whose residential business was sold to Shaw in April. (See Telecom Update #181) ITU ADOPTS VOICE OVER INTERNET STANDARD: The International Telecommunication Union has defined a new standard for the control of gateways between circuit-switched and packet-based networks. Target date for final approval is February 2000. NORTHWESTEL PAYPHONE RATES TO STAY AT 25 CENTS: The CRTC has turned down Northwestel's bid to raise payphone rates to 35 cents. The Commission says the lower rate -- charged in most of Canada -- is necessary to keep telephone service affordable in the North. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/internet/1999/8045/04/o99-0529.htm VOICE MAIL NOW A LOCAL CALL FROM QUEBECTEL PAYPHONES: Quebec-Telephone is giving its voice mail customers access to their messages from any of its payphones as a local call, starting July. EXPRESSVU TO PROVIDE IN-FLIGHT TV: Bell ExpressVu is joining with California-based Airshow Inc. to broadcast satellite TV to private aircraft over Canadian airspace. Airshow already provides service in the U.S. through DirecTv. ** Oshawa-based Comlink Systems has won a $4 Million contract to supply earth station facilities to ExpressVu. NBTEL SUES FUNDY FOR UNPAID BILLS: NBTel is suing Fundy Cable for $2 Million, alleging that the cableco failed to pay the full amount due for use of the telco's telephone poles. TELUS OFFERS E-COMMERCE SERVICE: Telus's new Interactive Enterprise service supports applications such as customer self-service, bill presentation, cataloging, Web procurement, and knowledge management. ** Telus has announced plans to offer e-mail, Internet access, and fax services through 25 kiosks in the Calgary Airport. SWITCHVIEW PROVIDES WEB ACCESS TO TELECOM DATA: Waterloo-based Switchview Inc. has announced Telecom Web Page, which replaces paper reports with Web-based access to telecom management data. Availability: August. WEB SITE TARGETS CALL CENTER STAFFING: Job Bus Canada, an Internet employment site, has launched CallCareers.Com, which provides staffing information for call centers in Canada. http://www.callcareers.com/ DAVE HOUSE TO LEAVE NORTEL: David House, who one year ago led Bay Networks into its merger with Nortel, will resign as President of Nortel Networks this summer. Bill Hawe, also from Bay Networks, has become Nortel's Chief Technology Officer. PHIL LIND HONORED AS CABLE PIONEER: Phil Lind, Vice-Chairman of Rogers Communications, is the first Canadian to be honored as an industry pioneer by the U.S. National Cable Television Association. NBTEL, UNION SIGN CONTRACT: NBTel and the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union have signed a new contract covering the telco's 600 unionized employees. (See Telecom Update #181) SIEMENS, FUJITSU MERGE COMPUTER BUSINESSES: Siemens and Fujitsu are merging their computer manufacturing units in a new company called Fujitsu Siemens Computers. QWEST JOINS BIDDING FOR U S WEST: Qwest Communications International, the fourth-largest U.S. long distance company, has bid $55 Billion to acquire Denver-based U S West, which provides local service to 25 million customers, and Frontier, a long distance company. (See Telecom Update #184) NINE DAYS LEFT FOR TELEMANAGEMENT BONUS: Until June 30, new subscribers to Telemanagement receive "Tips, Tricks and Traps," a collection of 22 practical reports and resources by Ian Angus, Lis Angus, and Henry Dortmans. Included in the collection: ** "Eight Ways to Stretch Your Phone Budget" and other techniques to cut costs without reducing quality; ** "Those '50% of Savings' Deals" -- a self-defense guide against ill-advised contingency proposals; ** "Angus's Laws for Understanding and Surviving (and Possibly Profiting From) the New Telecom." To subscribe to Telemanagement (and receive Tips, Tricks and Traps) call 1-800-263-4415, ext 225 or visit http://www.angustel.ca/teleman/tm.html. 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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:20:00 -0700 Organization: BRIDGE Scientific Services, Edmonton, AB, Canada Reply-To: jerome@supernet.ab.ca With all the discussion of the (lack of) quality cell coverage in the US, I am wondering about a future trip from Alberta to Montana, driving south to Big Sky, near Yellowstone via Great Falls, Helena and Butte. I have an analog Motorola 650e*. This is the first time I've had a cell in the US. What should I expect for coverage and reception? J e r o m e Y u z y k | jerome@supernet.ab.ca BRIDGE Scientific Services | www.tgx.com/bridge Sunbeam Alpine Series II #9118636 | www.tgx.com/bridge/sunbeam I'm going to SUNI III... Are You? | www.newsource.net/suni3 ------------------------------ From: davidesan@my-deja.com (David Esan) Subject: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:16:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. I recently switched long distance carriers from AT&T to Destia, (formerly Econophone). I have not yet received the dreaded AT&T $3 minimum letter (even though AT&T was my carrier on both the landline and the cellphone). I switched because Destia offered 17 cents a minute to Israel, which is my most expensive call. After I switched I dialed 1-700-555-4141 to verify that the switch had taken place. I got the message: "Welcome to the Frontier Network." Frontier is my local telephone company, but certainly is not Destia. A call to Destia customer service (with only a three minute wait), suggested that I try 1-700-555-9499. I did and got "Welcome to Destia". Is one number for intra-LATA calling and the other for out of LATA? Is there a difference between the numbers? David Esan Veramark Technologies desan@veramark.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I believe that 4141 should work in all cases. I've a hunch that anyone dialing 9499 will hear the 'welcome to Destia' message regardless of being a customer or not of the company. Note for example that you can force 4141 to pass you to any carrier 'welcome' message you desire by prefixing the call with the carrier access code. For example in the past, 10288+1+700-555-4141 *always* produced the 'welcome to AT&T' message, while 10222+1+700-555-4141 *always* produced 'welcome to MCI'. Ditto, using 10777 and the above would cause you to receive a greeting from Sprint. My understanding is that 4141 employs software which examines the PIC information then 'forwards' your call to the number which will give the appropriate answer-phrase or greeting/welcome message. You might want to investigate this in more detail. The other thing to remember is that many 'carriers' these days are not really carriers, they are 'switchless resellers' meaning all they are doing is brokering long distance service on the switch of some other company. The ones which do a better job of hiding their true identity (as an independent company on its own merits) can usually fix things so that even the most obscure tell-tale signs that some other company actually owns the facilities and network are covered. For instance, in the earliest days of Frontier reselling cellular phone service via various companies depending on where you were located in the USA, they took care that no matter where you were at, things like *611 routed to them rather than the 'real' company. They fixed things so that intercept messages from the switches gave their identification rather than that of the 'real' company. It was Frontier, period, and that is all the customer was supposed to know. But after joining their service and doing some initial experimentation with known conditions that would produce indentifications from switches, what do you suppose we heard one day but an announcement from Ameritech which Frontier had somehow forgotten to have diverted to themselves in the event one of their customers landed there. Then on calling the Ameritech Cellular business office (had to dial the 1-800 version rather than the *611 version since it kept getting intercepted by Frontier) and giving our cellular phone number to the Ameritech rep who answered, we were told, 'I cannot help you with that account; I do show it here, but it is a corporate bulk account handled through one of our resellers; they are the only ones who can discuss it, that is part of our contract with them.' The same thing happened with a small, practically unknown landline carrier: the rep insisted to me, 'we have our own facilities and network; everything is handled through us.' When I asked for the number to be used to make calls via their network from a phone which was not PIC'ed to them, she told me to use 10222. My response was, 'in other words, you are a reseller for MCI'. 'Well', she said in sort of an annoyed tone of voice, 'we do not describe it in that way'. So you might want to see if Destia in fact resells Frontier, who the last I heard was reselling Sprint. No matter if they are, your contract is still with Destia subject to their rates and terms, even if the rates, credit conditions, etc are different. The very, very large resellers waving around lots of $$ and with a huge customer base to stick in front of the nose of a company like Sprint or MCI or AT&T usually get their way with things like alterations in the switch recordings and routing of customer service calls, etc. You might also try to find out from Destia what carrier access code is to be used if/when you wish to use them from a non-subscribed line. Let's see if it is a code we all recognize for another biggie. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:44:50 -0500 From: Ron Walter Organization: Capitol City Telephone, Inc. Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? In Telecom Digest V19 #157: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Many people believe the '1' on the > front does more than just alert the switch regards the context of > the next three digits dialed; it also serves to remind the user > that a toll call is happening, a call that may cost them extra > money. PAT] There is an equipment consideration. Many home telephones, key systems, and PBX's have toll restriction features that look for the first few digits dialed to determine whether to allow calls to go through. Most systems, especially the older ones, look for a 1 at the beginning to make that determination. If you want to allow local calling at particular phones but not allow long distance calls, you need that toll restriction feature. If you remove the 1+, many businesses are forced to replace their systems or add on equipment that can keep a table of which numbers are long distance and which are local. It also requires you to spend a great deal of time keeping up with what are local and what are not. This usually means spending more money on having the system vendor take care of those things. An example in Southeast Nebraska came when the Local Exchange Carrier, Aliant Communications, introduced a new enhanced calling area plan. Part of that plan allowed people to call to communities within a 25 mile radius by simply dialing a 7 digit number. Those numbers would have toll charges related to them. It created quite a problem with places like schools and manufacturing plants who had students or employees who lived in those areas and who could now call those numbers because their systems' toll restriction feature was rendered ineffective without the 1 in front of the numbers. It led to either replacing their phone system, paying for their equipment vendor to come out and build toll restriction tables, or just stop allowing calls altogether. Companies in the interconnect business got some good benefit out of it (by the way, guess who the largest vendor of phone systems and PBX's in the area is? Aliant Communications). [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Years ago we used to look for zero or one as the first digit and zero or one as the second digit (since only area codes had zero or one in the second spot) and deny the call on that basis. You can still deny on zero as the first digit and have billed number screening in place (no manual charges to be placed on this number by an operator) but screening for one as the first digit won't even work in a place like Chicago where crossing of area code boundaries is still considered a local call in many cases. And of course with overlays there will be a lot of 1+ calls just around your own neighborhood. I do not know any effective way to screen the digits dialed these days except for using a table which says to deny all except (these three) or something like that. Radio Shack sells a toll deny device which can go in some secret place at the head end of your pair, right before it reaches the demarc so that everyone has to pass through it. The admin can program it remotely using a password, and other passwords can be used by callers as 'authorization codes'. The admin can tell it to (for example) allow 312,630,708,773,800,847,888,877 as the only acceptable combinations with a '1' in front (all are local or no- charge combinations in the Chicago area) and to disallow all other combinations which began with '1', also to deny 900 by virtue of it being disallowed because of '1' on the front, deny 976, 555 or 411 (premium charge for directory assistance), etc. Trouble is, you have to keep the little box itself well-hidden, since anyone who unplugs it for a minute or does a 'hard reset' will cause it to forget everything it knew before. On the other hand, if someone steals root from the admin by getting his password, all he has to do is go unplug the device and start over with the factory defaults again. If the admin only wants a certain phone to be restricted, then the little box is placed in series on that local portion of the pair; others ahead of him are unrestricted. If it is placed in series at the head -- which would seem to be the only worthwhile way of doing it -- then everyone downstream is toll-restricted. A user dialing a forbidden number hears a second or two of silence, followed by a 'click' and fresh dial tone. You need one device for each outgoing trunk especially if you cannot be sure which outgoing trunk will be seized by the user at any given time, such as dialing '9' on a PBX and getting an available line. I think root gets a six digit passcode while other users get a four digit bypass code if authorized to make calls. I hope Radio Shack has not taken that out of stock; so many of their more esoteric and seldom-sold phone products are no longer available. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:33:16 -0700 From: Bob Keller Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US In TELECOM Digest Vol 19 Issue 157, I wrote: > If you are talking about "Sprint Cellular," then they are an > honest-to-goodness cellular carrier. John R. Levine reminded me that Sprint divested itself of its cellular operations, so it is likely that the Sprint service the original poster was referring to was indeed PCS (Sprint Spectrum) and not cellular. Bob Keller (www.his.com/~rjk) ------------------------------ From: Wrong@home.net (Wrong Number) Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US Date: 21 Jun 1999 02:30:21 GMT Organization: Your Organization Reply-To: badams@infi.net In article , rjk@telcomlaw.com says: > For example, if you read the fine print in the AT&T Wireless plan > (at least the one being marketed here in the DC area), it says you > won't pay roaming while you are on their digital network. That ain't > worth horse puckey when you go out of the 2 GHz PCS coverage area and > fall back to digital or analog cellular. Then you are at the mercy of > whether and with whom they may or may not have roaming agreements. Bob ... although I don't have a copy of the AT&T Wireless contract with me AND I have NO love loss for them on the AT&T Wireless Digital One Rate Plan(s) you don't pay ANY roaming or long distance. HOWEVER, let's say you have the 600 minute plan ... 600 minutes for $89.95/month. If you use 595 minutes every month because of delayed billing for roaming you may only show 400 minutes on your bill (no problem right .... still only $89.95 right) .... then next month your bill may show not only the 595 minutes you actually used that month but also the 195 minutes which wasn't billed the month before. Even though thoses minutes were used in a previous month (in which you didn't go over your 600 minutes) they are added to the present months total. In other words, you are bill for 790 minutes ... after subtracting the 600 minutes in your plan you owe an additional $0.25/minute for 190 minutes. There is always a "gotcha". Bill ------------------------------ Subject: Re: 911 Locator Regulations For PBXs Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:57:24 PDT From: tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook) PAT wrote: > Is there a procedure in place for the operator to use in notifying > selected members of staff? Does the operator have their pager numbers, Proctor & Associates (www.proctorinc.com) of Redmond, WA makes a device that will monitor your 9-1-1 trunks and autodial pagers as well as drive wall displays or local printers with the location info during a 9-1-1 call. It is called 9-1-1 Call Alert, but I don't think it is on their website yet. They also make PBX-ANI-Link, which generates 9-1-1 trunks from your PBX in addition to doing the local alerting. PBX ANI-Link is at http://www.proctorinc.com/prod03.htm and the application note describing the whole problem of locating 9-1-1 calls behind PBX systems is at http://www.proctorinc.com/Sys%202%20Briefx.htm You can reach Proctor at 425-881-7000. Tad Cook tad@ssc.com Seattle, WA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:47:10 -0700 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: 1+ Toll Notifier Stan Schwartz wrote: >In TD V19 #157, Telecom Digest Editor wrote: > >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Many people believe the '1' on the >> front does more than just alert the switch regards the context of >> the next three digits dialed; it also serves to remind the user >> that a toll call is happening, a call that may cost them extra >> money. PAT] > This would be a nice idea if it was standardized all over the country. > While on a recent trip to Seattle, the local (USWest) phone book's > dialing instructions directed callers to dial the area code for all > calls within the 206 NPA (it was still permissive in the area that I > was in), but be sure NOT to dial 1+206 because even a local call could > get billed as a toll call. This is ludicrous!!! I live in Seattle and yes those instructions are ludicrous if only because that caution in the directory "Dialing "1" before dialing a local ten-digit phone number could result in charges from your long distance provider" is utter bull pucky. If you dial 1+areacode+number on a local call it simply will not go through. You'll get the recording: a SIT and then the recording "Your call cannot be completed as dialed. Please check the number and dial again." You will not be billed for your call contrary to what the directory says. The call just will not complete. I guess USWest doesn't even bother to check out how their own system works! When they were proposing the new area codes and dialing arrangement for the area I had asked why permissive 1+area code+number dialing would not be implemented and the answer that I got was that GTE didn't want to go to the trouble of updating their translation table! It would have been nicer if they gave some uniformity to our dialing arrangement so that if someone was visiting or using a modem dialup they wouldn't have to guess on the dialing arrangement in the area, but it was decided otherwise unfortunately. Such are the anomalies of dealing with multiple telephone companies. Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [msg] +1 707 516 0561 [FAX] Seattle, Washington USA [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I thought that everyone knew that dealing with multiple telephone companies was for Your Own Good. We do not want any monopoly arrangements where a competitor can cover for its own ineptitude by wailing about discrimination. PAT] ------------------------------ From: djensen@madison.tds.net (David Jensen) Subject: Re: 1+ Toll Notifier Organization: At My House Reply-To: djensen@madison.tds.net Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:15:16 GMT On 20 Jun 1999 06:04:01 GMT, in comp.dcom.telecom zippy@cs.brandeis. edu (Patrick Tufts) wrote in : > George Yanos writes: >> Once we have to dial an area code for every call, why do we need to >> continue with the 1- prefix? > Training for the day when we have country code overlays. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Gasp of Indignation: Oh really! Its probably > not far off at the rate things are going. PAT] But of course, 95% of the numbers won't be assigned. ------------------------------ From: gregladner@aol.com (Greg Ladner) Date: 21 Jun 1999 19:00:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Telecom in Coffeehouses - Need EE We are financiers planning a line of coffeehouses with telecommunications rooms for interactive communication for business, separated families, people who meet in chat rooms, etc. We are also showcasing an indepen- dent film on HDTV. We need a telecomm engineer to head up our digital division. GregLadner@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:23:20 EDT From: Carl Moore Subject: Re: Y2K: Where Will You Be When the Lights Go Out? Responding to an article forwarded to the Digest early last November: We've already passed April 9, 1999 (noted as the 99th day of '99). Anything happen then? Don't get complacent even if it did go smoothly. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Was it supposed to be 9999 as in the 99th day of year 99 or was it supposed to be 9-9-99 as in the ninth day of the ninth month of year 99? I had heard it was to be the latter, a few days after Labor Day there would be trouble. Well I guess no one knows for sure, and all we can do is hope for the best, that there will be massive outages and computer failures; that the government will be in shambles; that people everywhere will riot and loot all the stores looking for food and beverages to drink and that the telephone system will shut down. It will be a good opportunity for the government to act out its innate hostility toward the people it is supposed to be serving by simply shooting dead those who try to survive however they can. I just hope there is no trouble at the Gas Works however. January is a mighty cold month in the USA to have to go with no operating furnace for warmth. Lucky are the people in Australia who will be able to riot in the warmth of summer sunshine. New Zealand, which gets the first chance at Century 21 will keep the rest of us advised on progress throughout the afternoon and evening of December 31 here in the USA I guess. Seriously, it would not hurt all of us to go back to the Dark Ages for a little while, or even just a century ago when most of what we take for granted today was unheard of. Are those big, tough Marines still having their practice drills over in Virginia so they can keep the rest of us on our best behavior starting sometime in late December? PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #159 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Jun 22 00:26:58 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA17319; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:26:58 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906220426.AAA17319@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #160 TELECOM Digest Tue, 22 Jun 99 00:26:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 160 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? (Jin Hwang) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (Ed Ellers) Trouble for DoubleClick (Monty Solomon) Re: 911 Locator Regulations For PBXs (Greg Abbott) Re: 911 Locator Regulations For PBXs (Allan M. Olbur) Re: 10-10-220 (Leonid A. Broukhis) House Passes Net Filtering Bill (Monty Solomon) Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID (James Wyatt) Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID (Bill Levant) Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID (Stanley Cline) Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID (John R. Levine) AT&T's One-Rate Plan (was Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage) (Joel M. Hoffman) Re: Unmasking Xircom's Xorro (Alan Boritz) Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular (Alan Boritz) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. 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Otherwise I say that you were slammed. James wrote in message news:telecom19.158.9@telecom- digest.org: > A few days back a telemarketer from a long distance company called and > talked to my wife. A few days later, the long distance service was > switched to the new company. > My wife does not specifically remember if she authorized the switch. > The phone is in my name, and my wife is not yet in the authorized > list of persons that can update my account. I had given this list to > my local telephone company a year back. > My question is, even if assuming that my wife authorized the switch, > is it legal? ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:52:03 -0400 John R. Covert (no.spam.covert.maps.on@covert.org) wrote: > Again we are those stupid Americans who won't use a worldwide > standard. How embarrassing." What's the alternative? Should we always do what the rest of the world tells us to do, and hold off on all technical advances until the rest of the world gets around to endorsing them? Considering how long it took for many advanced countries to adopt tone dialing -- a U.S.-only standard that *was* adopted later by the CCITT, by the way -- I suspect we'd still have mostly pulse dialing if AT&T had waited for the CCITT to get off its rear. I contend that we as a nation are better off choosing our own standards, evaluating what other nations' industries are doing on their own merits, but going it alone when that is in our best interest. If that means Americans can't take their wireless phones overseas, and foreign visitors can't use their wireless phones here, I just don't see that as more than a minor inconvenience. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:20:47 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Trouble for DoubleClick Trouble for DoubleClick By Jacob Ward Barely 24 hours after DoubleClick said that it would acquire marketing research company Abacus Direct for $1 billion in stock, privacy coalitions announced that they would file complaints with the FTC, contending that the merged entity would pose a threat to consumer privacy. The merger, which would help DoubleClick build the ultimate online database of consumers, brings the company closer than any other to achieving every online marketer's dream. But along the way, DoubleClick may have stumbled into a consumer-backlash nightmare. http://www.thestandard.com/articles/display/0,1449,5017,00.html DoubleClick not worried about privacy charges By Courtney Macavinta Staff Writer, CNET News.com June 15, 1999, 5:55 p.m. PT DoubleClick is not sweating over the plans of privacy watchdogs to upset the $1 billion merger of the Internet advertiser and market researcher Abacus Direct, a top DoubleClick executive said today. Under the deal, DoubleClick's advertising network would correlate the names and addresses of Net shoppers with the Abacus Alliance database of consumer buying habits, made up of more than 2 billion consumer catalog transactions, to allow marketers in both media to target potential customers more efficiently. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,37882,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:23:39 -0500 From: Greg Abbott Subject: Re: 911 Locator Regulations for PBXs wdg@hal-pc.org wrote: > To satisfy my legal beagles, I "bridge" rather than intercept 911 > calls. The call proceeds on to the PSAP normally, but does so over a > separate, small dedicated analog loop-start trunk group (911 traffic > only). There are audio bridges on these trunks which feed plain-Jane > Orator monitor speakers located in three areas; building security, the > nurse's station and building maintenance. The PBX gives me the calling > extension in real time (at the initial onset of the call) which is > splashed against a database of internal numbers. > This gives me the originating extension, location and the assigned > user name, date and timestamp, again all in real time, within ten > seconds of onset of the call. This information is sent to small > serial "instrument" printers (via short haul modems) in the three > aforementioned areas. There is a multi-line analog key system bridged > onto these trunks so that bldg. security can "join" the call should > the need arise. Their Orator speaker is wired through the off-normal > contacts of the switchook of their emergency phone to mute it and > preclude feedback. [SNIP}] I didn't see if you mentioned what state you are in, but I'm pretty sure in Illinois that you may be opening yourself up to trouble by violating the overhear laws. Basically you are eavesdropping on the 9-1-1 calls from your building. You *might* be able to get around that by posting it for the employees to see and understand, but what about visitors? Do the coin phones in your building function the same way? As a 9-1-1 system administrator, I would rather see the calls route directly and exclusively to the 9-1-1 center. I understand the costing argument and database update and so forth, I'm just talking about the call audio itself. I just have a little uneasiness (is that a word?) with the scenario as presented. On the other hand, at least the call will be completed to 9-1-1, unlike a lot of PBX systems. One other comment ... you mentioned that any "extra" digits will cause the call to route internally, rather than to 9-1-1. What if a person is having a heart attack and presses extra ones or any other digits as they are falling to the floor? What if the caller is blind or is blinded by a chemical spill or explosion? Sounds like a liability to me. People dial 9-1-1 expecting to get 9-1-1. 9-1-1 saves seconds ... seconds save lives! Greg Abbott 9-1-1 Coordinator Champaign County, Illinois [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You are speaking from the point of view of a person involved with emergency response activities and that is a perfectly honest, acceptable point of view. I've often thought that 911 call-takers had to be exceptional people in terms of patience and understanding. Your call-takers there have a very light load compared to Chicago or New York for example, yet a very heavy load compared to a small town or sparsely populated county in central or western Kansas. In Junction City, Kansas the combined Junction City/Geary County 911 person receives so few calls via 911 that they have the luxury of broadcasting each one over police radio as it comes in. Listen to your scanner there, and you will hear the radio dispatcher say something like, 'all units hold for an emergency, 911 has a call coming in', and then they literally put it over the radio with the dispatcher 'talking it through' with the caller, repeating what the caller says while the officers on the street are listening and already beginning to respond. (Dispatcher repeating over the air what caller is saying: 'you say he has a late model car, and he is driving west on Sixth Street now? And you say he has a scar over his left eye?'). Meanwhile of course, guys on the street have already headed in that direction. As soon as the dispatcher told them to stand by for a 911 call, they were in their cars ready to move out on one second's notice, just say where. Other jurisdictions in the area are listening to the call also, and if there is any hint the fleeing suspect is heading in their direction, they'll be on the case. Three or four jurisdictions all share the same radio frequency, but even so, there is not five minutes worth of emergency traffic in a day's time. Its an area of the country where the daily 'police blotter' column in the newspaper -- and *all* incidents are printed -- may consist of three or four items: Junction City Police arrested two people in a brawl outside a tavern, and in another incident stopped someone who was speeding and upon searching his car found a marijuana cigarette. The Fort Riley Military Police investigated a domestic dispute; and the Geary Sheriff reported no incidents at all that day. By contrast in Chicago, dispatchers *never* cease talking on the radio, and 911 call takers never have a minute when there are not at least a few calls waiting to be answered. Some- times at three in the morning in Chicago the scanner will go quiet for a minute or so at a time, and 911 calls will be answered without even a single ring, that is just a click and the operator is on the line. So I can see and deeply appreciate the work going on by professional and well-trained emergency response agencies in larger cities, and that the vast, overwhelming majority of your 'users' or callers are not going to be in a position to evaluate their circumstances and deal with them in a professional -- and most important, lawful! -- way. Do you remember how when 911 first started in Chicago many years ago, the Fire Department resisted being part of it? Having the police screen our calls first and pass them along will lead to unacceptable delays in our response was the way they said it. It took awhile to convince them otherwise. And consider those communities who share a telephone exchange with a neighboring community and as a result of defeciencies in the way the telephone switch operates, they are 'stuck with' using a single 911 center for both communities. What happens? As often as not they do not have 911 at all, so concerned are they that not being in charge of their own calls, their community will suffer as a result. There are politics involved in 911 of course; if something goes right, then you get the credit (we do not like that idea) and if something goes wrong, then we are the ones to catch hell or get sued, and we like that idea even less than having you get all the glory and the label of hero, etc. I guess finally all the communities in the Chicago suburban area are now using 911, both as a result of phone exchange improvements and because they managed to settle their differences with neighboring communities. But they certainly spent years squabbling over who was going to actually answer the calls. So Greg, I do understand your position very well, but I also empha- thize with persons whose responsibilities include managing large institutional properties, etc and who must, absolutely without question for legal reasons be 'on top of' or aware and responsive to every single incident which occurs on their premises. That is why I said his passing of calls explicitly to 911 unhindered while still monitoring them so that his own security representatives and other trained personnel listened and began responding was probably the best things could get. And after all, when your people get a call reporting a fire and patch it through, *they* stay on the line and listen don't they? After all, police may very well be needed to assist firemen in an evacuation or crowd-control, etc. So what is the difference? PAT] ------------------------------ From: dtm37@aol.com (Allan M. Olbur) Date: 22 Jun 1999 00:23:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: 911 Locator Regulations for PBXs Pat: Thanks for the note. We have recommended that a consortium of interested parties who are willing to share ideas and input re E-911 be convened. If you are intested in joining this forum, pls contact me via email at aolbur@ccscnet.com. Regards, Allan M. Olbur InfraTech Inc. 847-934-0580 http://209.172.186.90 ------------------------------ From: leob@best.com (Leonid A. Broukhis) Subject: Re: 10-10-220 Date: 21 Jun 1999 16:36:05 GMT In article , Joel B Levin wrote: > That's just a restatement of the pricing as advertised: "Any call up > to 20 minutes for 99 cents, then ten cents a minute." The catch is > that it's a great rate when the call is over 12 minutes, but very > expensive to make a couple of one minute calls with. If you plan to > talk for 20 minutes, and get the answering machine instead, you're > screwed for the whole 99 cents anyhow. Convenience aside, it seems that the idea or possibility of using one carrier to make sure the other party is at home, then using another carrier for a long call, escapes some people completely. Leo [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But Leo, there is a limit to what effort most people will go to to save a few cents, and a few cents is what it comes down to these days with most carriers. At the end of the month your long distance bill was two dollars less because you incovenienced your called party by dialing once then telling him to hang up and wait for your next call a few seconds later, etc. Another player out there willing to get your business was brought to my attention to today. A company called 'Clear Choice' in Dallas, TX offers this choice of three options: 1) Five cents per minute interstate at all hours, and varying rates ranging from ten to fifteen cents per minute in intRAstate calls depending on which state you live in ... OR .... 2) Nine cents per minute anywhere at all times, with a $3.95 per month service charge ... OR ... 3) Ten cents per minute anywhere at all times, no service charge. To amortize that $3.95 per month on the difference of just one cent per minute would require 3.5 additional hours of talking per month *just to break even* and quite a bit more talking to get to the point it made any real savings, so choice three at ten cents per minute is probably best if you make very many intRAstate calls; otherwise go with choice one. I did not check out the rates in every state for intRA service, but most of them appeared to be in the 15 cent per minute range, a few lower, some higher. Look at http://www.clearchoice.net if you are interested. I have no idea who they are reselling. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:30:10 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: House Passes Net Filtering Bill By Courtney Macavinta Staff Writer, CNET News.com June 18, 1999, 1:10 p.m. PT Update: Mandatory Net filtering in schools and libraries finally may become a reality after a string of failed attempts by Congress to implement content regulations at public institutions. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,38018,00.html ------------------------------ From: James Wyatt Subject: Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:40:27 -0500 Organization: Fastlane Communications (using Airnews.net!) On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, David Esan wrote: > After I switched I dialed 1-700-555-4141 to verify that the switch had > taken place. I got the message: "Welcome to the Frontier Network." > Frontier is my local telephone company, but certainly is not Destia. > A call to Destia customer service (with only a three minute wait), > suggested that I try 1-700-555-9499. I did and got "Welcome to Destia". > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I believe that 4141 should work in all > cases. I've a hunch that anyone dialing 9499 will hear the 'welcome to > Destia' message regardless of being a customer or not of the company. Did you *try* it? Both of them indicate AT&T on the line I tested. I do not know what the difference is unless it 'hints' to the switches that a toll-bypass should be considered. (see below) > The other thing to remember is that many 'carriers' these days are not > really carriers, they are 'switchless resellers' meaning all they are > doing is brokering long distance service on the switch of some other > company. The ones which do a better job of hiding their true identity > (as an independent company on its own merits) can usually fix things There are also lots of folks that resell other carriers service for most areas and concentrate 'special' capacity where they have an advantage. Does this company have lots of capacity to Israel and resell others for the rest of the planet? If so, the second number could be directing the response to match traffic they would handle on their own capacity. - Jy@ ------------------------------ From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:33:06 EDT Subject: Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID > A call to Destia customer service (with only a three minute wait), > suggested that I try 1-700-555-9499. I did and got "Welcome to Destia". > Is one number for intra-LATA calling and the other for out of LATA? > Is there a difference between the numbers? FWIW, I tried 1-700-555-9499 from both of my home phones, here in suburban Philadelphia (Bell Atlantic-land). On line #1, subscribed to Worldcom (from the pre-MCI days) yields "Thank you for using MCI ..." On line #2, subscribed to Sprint, "[SIT TONES] We're sorry, you have reached a number that has been disconnected, or is no longer in service ..." Evidently, the call is handed off to the PIC'ed carrier, since the two lines produced different results. What happens then is anyone's guess. By the way, intra-LATA carrier checking is accomplished here by dialing 700-4141 (or now, I suppose, with mandatory 10-digits, 610-700-4141). Bill ------------------------------ From: sc1@roamer1.org (Stanley Cline) Subject: Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:36:36 GMT Organization: how, with all the spam? Reply-To: sc1@roamer1.org On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:16:17 GMT, davidesan@my-deja.com (David Esan) wrote: > After I switched I dialed 1-700-555-4141 to verify that the switch had > taken place. I got the message: "Welcome to the Frontier Network." > Frontier is my local telephone company, but certainly is not Destia. > A call to Destia customer service (with only a three minute wait), > suggested that I try 1-700-555-9499. I did and got "Welcome to Destia". It looks like they resell Frontier (Global Crossing? soon to be Qwest? ...) This sort of thing isn't unusual at all among smaller resellers. Many, most notably Excel, have customers dial a "different" 700-555 number (Excel, who has resold AT&T, Frontier, and IXC and now has their "own" network, uses 700-555-0752) to verify that they've been switched or are on the correct carrier. Others tell customers to dial the usual 700-555-4141 and that they may hear the name of a different carrier (often the WorldCom side of MCI WorldCom, IXC, or Frontier) when they dial it. Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 1999 21:40:02 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > After I switched I dialed 1-700-555-4141 to verify that the switch had > taken place. I got the message: "Welcome to the Frontier Network." ... > A call to Destia customer service (with only a three minute wait), > suggested that I try 1-700-555-9499. I did and got "Welcome to Destia". TELECOM Digest Editor then noted: > So you might want to see if Destia in fact resells Frontier, who > the last I heard was reselling Sprint. Frontier is now a real facilities based IXC, one of the major reasons that Global Crossing is buying them. I suspect Pat's right, Destia is reselling Frontier, -4141 gives the real carrier and -9499 gives you their reseller. For what it's worth, when I try either, I get "welcome to IXC Communications" who is indeed my LD carrier. If you're wondering about intra-LATA toll, that's 700-4141. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ Subject: AT&T's One-Rate Plan (was Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US) Organization: Excelsior Computer Services From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:02:55 GMT > Bob ... although I don't have a copy of the AT&T Wireless contract > with me AND I have NO love loss for them on the AT&T Wireless Digital > One Rate Plan(s) you don't pay ANY roaming or long distance. But you also don't always get service. I'm spending the summer in Orange County, NY, and sometimes I get five bar of signal, but when I try to place a call I get a Bell-Atlantic intercept that I need a credit card. Other times (without moving the phone!) I get no bars of "roam" signal, which I guess is AT&T, but I can't tell for sure, because there's not enough signal to make or receive calls. So sometimes there's no service, and sometimes I have to use a credit card. AT&T's one rate is good for some things, but even at $90/month, it's a budget plan and you get what you pay for. If you really want to make and receive calls wherever you are, stick with an analog phone :-( -Joel ------------------------------ From: aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) Subject: Re: Unmasking Xircom's Xorro Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:16:03 -0400 In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > http://www.thestandard.com/articles/mediagrok_display/0,1185,4991,00.html > Xircom won a round Monday in its legal battle to unmask (and silence) > a critic who posted two messages critical of the company on Yahoo's > message boards. It's not the first time a company has subpoenaed Yahoo > to turn over the name of someone bashing the company on its boards, > but it is the first time the anonymous basher has fought back in > court. Xircom makes network and modem cards for PCs. > Judge John J. Hunter of Ventura Superior Court in Southern California > tossed out Xircom's original subpoena on a technicality, but left the > door open for it to file another to Yahoo to reveal the name. An > attorney for the basher, whom the court calls John Doe, said it was > free speech. But Hunter said, "There is no right to free speech to > defame." Did John Doe defame Xircom? Xircom says it will prove so in > court, while Doe's attorney, Megan Gray, says Xircom's legal actions > are all a show to get her client to shut up. > But few quotes showed up in the press to let us judge for ourselves > the defamatory material. The New York Times' Rebecca Fairley Raney > quoted John Doe saying Xircom was no longer the fun place to work it > once was. Pretty tough stuff. I think I would think twice about specifying a product manufactured by a company that would prosecute an individual who publicly criticizes them, especially when it appears to be a personal vendetta. That technique has been known to backfire, even when there's a legitimate cause for the legal action. I just hope that if it does, and Xircom's sales does plummet, that the person responsible for pursuing the legal action can understand the foolish mistake he made. ------------------------------ From: aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) Subject: Re: National Factors vs. Calling Party Pays Cellular Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:33:42 -0400 In article , sjsobol@NorthShore Technologies.net (Steven J Sobol) wrote: > On 16 Jun 1999 03:44:25 GMT, hillary@hillary.net allegedly said: >> aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) writes: >>> Absolute total nonsense. Flat-rate billing plans for landline phones >>> in the largest market in the US were a thing of the past almost 30 >>> years ago, and do not exist now. Even when New York Telephone offered >> Well, someone better tell Bell Atlantic. They're apparently unaware of >> this fact, and are offering flat-rate local or metropolitan-area >> calling plans here in tropical Philadelphia, PA (as well as in some of >> our more temperate suburbs). > Alan has also ignored every last one of the posts made by myself and > Joseph Adams about flat-rate calling in northern Ohio. Quite correct. Last time I looked, "northern Ohio," and Philadelphia, weren't the largest market in the US. Now, if I said, "top 500 markets," perhaps you'd have a point. In article , craig@glasswings. com.au (Craig Macbride) wrote: > aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) writes: >>> cell-phone numbers are mixed in with local landline numbers. There is >>> no way to look at a phone number in this country and tell if it's a >>> cellphone. And that's exactly the way the cell phone companies here >>> like it ... >> And that's the way consumers like it. > They do? Which ones? The ones who buy and use cellular or mobile service for their main business activities? >> Some people operate their daily business entirely on cellphones with >> no desire to call attention to it. > Why? Because they are shonky operators who are already in the airport > about to skip town while taking your order? Because they might be site acquisition or construction managers who spend almost all of their time in the field. I worked with some individuals in that situation, some with the largest cellular system operators in the US, some independent. There's absolutely nothing "shonky" about them, and they do a lot of the system construction for systems we routinely use and criticize. > I can't imagine that any reputable business has the slightest > advantage in hiding the fact that the number you are calling is a > mobile number. A business whose key people are mostly in the field may not want to call attention to the fact that that your first contact may not be a main business phone. After all, first impressions are the most lasting. And, some mobile service plans in the US are so competitive that some people are using it as their only phone, which is exactly the target of AT&T's latest marketing effort. Perhaps you should spend some time in the US before being so certain how businesses operate, or how individuals use their cellular phones. >> Other people like it because it's none of your damn business >> whether it's mobile or not. > I've never heard of that one either. I've never heard of the term "shonky" before. We're even. >> The single best argument for CPP, however, might be in support of >> telemarketers. If a teleslime operator chose to blanket mobile phone >> customers, his expenses might double or triple if his rotaries ran >> over blocks of mobile numbers. That, by itself, is a powerful >> incentive for CPP, IMHO. > Of course. Telemarketers are much rarer here and I have at least a > tiny bit of respect for a company which is prepared to spend money to > contact me than if they can do it for free. You must have a LOT of time on your hands. Telemarketers are a major nuisance in the US. They rob us of our available time, and often cause us to spend OUR money to to avoid them. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #160 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Jun 22 01:00:06 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA18515; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906220500.BAA18515@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #161 TELECOM Digest Tue, 22 Jun 99 01:00:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 161 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Updated GSM-List Jun 20, 1999 (Jurgen Morhofer) Re: Book Review: "Intrusion Detection", Edward G. Amoroso (John S. Maddaus) Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID (Mike Pollock) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:00:11 +0200 From: Jurgen Morhofer Subject: Updated GSM List - Jun 20, 1999 For the latest edition of this list look at my Web-Site: http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jutta/gsm/gsm-list.html kindly supplied by Jutta Degener. This is the last time I will send out this list via email. Over the last five years the number of subscribers grew and grew. My Email program is not able to handle this large amount of recipients anymore, therefor I will let the mailing be handled by a professional mailing list service. You will receive a mail from EGROUPS in the next days containing an invitation to re-subscribe to this list following a link within the message. This will save me a lot of work and it will be possible to send out new info faster. Since the introduction of Dual-Band GSM phones it makes sense for the first time to add GSM 1800/1900 operators too as the original purpose of this list was meant to be a roaming guide. To answer many requests regarding which operator is using which frequency, 1900 Mhz is used in the US, Canada and Japan, the rest of the world uses 900 Mhz (usually first two operators) and 1800 Mhz (usually third and fourth operator). Anyway, when I have some time, I will add another column with the freqs used. (Changes in the list marked by "*") Date Jun 20, 1998 Country Operator name Network code Tel to customer service ------ ------------- ------------ ----------------------- Albania AMC 276 01 Andorra STA-Mobiland 213 03 Int + 376 824 115 Argentina Armenia Armentel 283 01 Australia Optus 505 02 Int + 61 2 9342 6000 Telecom/Telstra 505 01 Int + 61 18 01 8287 Vodafone 505 03 Int + 61 2 9415 7236 Austria Mobilkom Austria 232 01 Int + 43 664 1661 max.mobil. 232 03 Int + 43 676 2000 Connect Austria 232 05 Int + 43 1 58187300 Azerbaidjan Azercell 400 01 Int + 994 12 98 28 23 * JV Bakcell 400 02 Bahrain Batelco 426 01 Int + 973 885557 Bangladesh Grameen Phone Ltd 470 01 * TM International 470 19 Sheba Telecom Belgium Proximus 206 01 Int + 32 2205 4912 Mobistar 206 10 Int + 32 95 95 95 00 * KPN Orange 206 20 Bosnia Cronet 218 01 PTT Bosnia 218 19 Botswana * Mascom Wireless 652 01 Brunei DSTCom 528 11 Jabatan Telekom 528 01 Bulgaria * MobilTel AD 284 01 Int + 359 88 500031 Burkina Faso OnaTel Cambodia CamGSM 456 01 * Cambodia Samart 456 02 Cambodia Shinawatra Cameroon PTT Cameroon Cellnet 624 01 Cape Verde * Cabo Verde Telecom 625 01 Canada Microcell 302 37 Chile Entel Telefonia China Guangdong MCC 460 00 Beijing Wireless China Unicom 460 01 Zhuhai Comms DGT MPT Jianxi PTT Tjianjin Toll Liaoning PPTA 460 02 Congo African Telecoms Congolaise Wireless Croatia HR Cronet 219 01 Int + 385 14550772 * Vipnet 219 10 Cyprus CYTA 280 01 Int + 357 2 310588 Czech Rep. Eurotel Praha 230 02 Int + 420 2 6701 6701 Radio Mobil 230 01 Int + 420 603 603 603 Denmark Sonofon 238 02 Int + 45 7024 2408 Tele Danmark Mobil 238 01 Int + 45 8020 2020 Mobilix 238 30 Int + 45 8040 4080 Telia 238 20 Int + 45 8010 1010 Egypt * MobiNil 602 01 * Click GSM 602 02 Estonia EMT 248 01 Int + 372 6 397130 Radiolinja Eesti 248 02 Int + 372 6 399966 Q GSM 248 03 Ethiopia ETA 636 01 Faroe Isl. Faroese Telecom Fiji Vodafone 542 01 Int + 679 312000 Finland Radiolinja 244 05 Int + 358 800 95050 Sonera 244 91 Int + 358 800 17000 Alands Mobiltelefon 244 05 Telia 244 03 Int + 358 800 41 1041 Finnet 244 09 Int + 358 800 94000 * Lnnen Puhelin 244 09 * Helsingin Puhelin 244 09 Int + 358 9 500 100 France Itineris 208 01 Int + 33 1 44 62 14 81 SFR 208 10 Int + 33 1 44 16 20 16 Bouygues Telekom 208 20 Fr.Polynesia Tikiphone 547 20 Fr.W.Indies Ameris 340 01 Int + 590 93 27 47 Georgia Superphone Geocell 282 01 Magticom 282 02 Germany D1, DeTeMobil 262 01 Int + 49 511 961 0171 D2, Mannesmann 262 02 Int + 49 172 1212 E-Plus Mobilfunk 262 03 Viag Interkom 262 07 Int + 49 179 55 222 Ghana Franci Walker Ltd ScanCom 620 01 Gibraltar GibTel 266 01 Int + 350 58 102 000 G Britain Cellnet 234 10 Int + 44 753 504548 Vodafone 234 15 Int + 44 836 1191 Jersey Telecom 234 50 Int + 44 1534 882 512 Guernsey Telecom 234 55 Manx Telecom 234 58 Int + 44 1624 636613 One2One 234 30 Int + 44 7958 121121 * Orange 234 33 Int + 44 973 100150 Greece Panafon 202 05 Int + 30 94 400 122 STET 202 10 Int + 30 93 333 333 * Cosmote 202 01 Int + 30 1 680 8950 Greenland Tele Greenland Guinea Int'l Wireless 611 Spacetel 611 Sotelgui 611 02 Hong Kong HK Hutchison 454 04 SmarTone 454 06 Int + 852 2880 2688 Telecom CSL 454 00 Int + 852 2888 1010 New World PCS 454 10 Sunday 454 16 Pacific Link 454 18 Peoples Telephone 454 12 * SMC PCS 454 22 Hungary Pannon GSM 216 01 Int + 36 20 9 654 062 Westel 900 216 30 Int + 36 30 9 303 100 Iceland Post & Simi 274 01 Int + 354 800 6330 Icelandic Mobile Phone 274 02 India Airtel 404 10 Int + 91 10 012345 Essar 404 11 Int + 91 11 098110 Maxtouch 404 20 BPL Mobile 404 21 Command 404 30 Mobilenet 404 31 Skycell 404 40 Int + 91 44 8222939 RPG MAA 404 41 Modi Telstra 404 14 Sterling Cellular 404 11 Mobile Telecom Airtouch BPL USWest 404 27 Koshika Bharti Telenet Birla Comm Cellular Comms * TATA 404 07 Int + 91-040-21199 Escotel 404 12 JT Mobiles Evergrowth Telecom Aircel Digilink 404 15 Hexacom India Reliance Telecom Fascel Limited Indonesia TELKOMSEL 510 10 Int + 62 21 8282811 PT Satelit Palapa 510 01 Int + 62 21 533 1881 Excelcom 510 11 Int + 62 21 5759818 PT Indosat Iraq Iraq Telecom 418 ?? Iran T.C.I. 432 11 Int + 98 2 18706341 Celcom Kish Free Zone Ireland Eircell 272 01 Int + 353 42 38888 Digifone 272 02 Int + 353 61 203 501 Meteor 272 03 Israel * Partner Communications 425 01 Italy Omnitel 222 10 Int + 39 349 2000 190 Telecom Italia Mobile 222 01 Int + 39 339 9119 Wind 222 88 Ivory Coast Ivoiris 612 03 Int + 225 23 90 00 Comstar 612 01 Int + 225 21 51 51 Telecel 612 05 Int + 225 32 32 32 Japan Jordan JMTS 416 01 Kenya Kenya Telecom Kuwait MTCNet 419 02 Int + 965 484 2000 Kyrgyz Rep Bitel Ltd 437 01 La Reunion SRR 647 10 Laos Lao Shinawatra 457 01 Latvia LMT 247 01 Int + 371 256 2191 BALTCOM GSM 247 02 Lebanon Libancell 415 03 Cellis 415 01 Int + 961 3 391 111 Lesotho Vodacom 651 01 Liechtenstein Natel-D 228 01 Lithuania Omnitel 246 01 Bite GSM 246 02 Int + 370 2 232323 Luxembourg P&T LUXGSM 270 01 Int + 352 4088 7088 Millicom Lux' S.A 270 77 Lybia Orbit El Madar Macao CTM 455 01 Int + 853 8913912 Macedonia PTT Makedonija 294 01 Madagascar Sacel 646 03 Madacom 646 01 Int + 261 2022 66055 * SMM 646 02 Malawi TNL 650 01 Malaysia Celcom 502 19 Maxis 502 12 My BSB 502 02 * TM Touch 502 13 Adam 502 17 * Digi Telecom 502 16 Malta Telecell 278 01 Marocco O.N.P.T. 604 01 Int + 212 220 2828 Mauritius Cellplus 617 01 Int + 230 4335100 Moldova * Voxtel Monaco Itineris 208 01 Int + 33 1 44 62 14 81 SFR 208 10 Int + 33 1 44 16 20 16 Office des Telephones Mongolia MobiCom Montenegro Pro Monte 220 02 Mozambique Telecom de Mocambique 634 01 T.D.M GSM1800 Namibia MTC 649 01 Int + 264 81 121212 Netherlands PTT Netherlands 204 08 Int + 31 6 0106 Libertel 204 04 Int + 31 6 54 500100 Telfort Holding NV 204 12 * Ben 204 16 * Dutchtone 204 20 New Caledonia Mobilis 546 01 New Zealand Bell South 530 01 Int + 64 9 357 5100 Nigeria EMIS Norway NetCom 242 02 Int + 47 92 00 01 68 TeleNor Mobil 242 01 Int + 47 22 78 15 00 Oman General Telecoms 422 02 Palestinia Palestine Telecoms Pakistan Mobilink 410 01 Int + 92 51 273971-7 Papua Pacific 310 01 Philippines Globe Telecom 515 02 Int + 63 2 813 7720 Islacom 515 01 Int + 632 1457000 * Smart 515 03 Poland Plus GSM 260 01 Int + 48 22 607 16 01 ERA GSM 260 02 IDEA Centertel 260 03 Portugal Telecel 268 01 Int + 351 931 1212 TMN 268 06 Int + 351 1 791 4474 Optimus 268 03 Qatar Q-Net 427 01 Int +974-325333/400620 Romania MobiFon 226 01 Int + 40113022222 MobilRom 226 10 Int + 40112033333 Russia Mobile Tele... Moscow 250 01 Int + 7 095 915-7734 United Telecom Moscow NW GSM, St. Petersburg 250 02 Int + 7 812 528 4747 * Dontelekom 250 10 KB Impuls 250 99 JSC Siberian Cellular 250 ?? BM Telecom 250 07 * Beeline 250 Int + 7 095 258 8888 * Extel 250 28 Int + 7 0112 5530 60 * Far Eastern Cell 250 12 San Marino Omnitel 222 10 Int + 39 349 2000 190 Telecom Italia Mobile 222 01 Int + 39 339 9119 Wind 222 88 SaudiArabia Al Jawal 420 01 EAE 420 07 Senegal Sonatel 608 01 Seychelles SEZ SEYCEL 633 01 * Airtel 633 10 Serbia * Serbian PTT 220 03 Int + 381 11 9820 Singapore Singapore Telecom 525 01 Int + 65 738 0123 MobileOne 525 03 * Binariang Slovak Rep Eurotel 231 02 Int + 421 903 903 903 Globtel 231 01 Int + 421 905 905 905 Slovenia Mobitel 293 41 Int + 386 61 131 30 33 * SI.Mobil South Africa MTN 655 10 Int + 27 11 301 6000 Vodacom 655 01 Int + 27 82 111 Sri Lanka MTN Networks Pvt Ltd 413 02 Spain Airtel 214 01 Int + 34 907 123000 Telefonica Spain 214 07 Int + 34 909 100909 * Amena 214 03 Sudan Mobitel 634 01 Swaziland Sweden Comviq 240 07 Int + 46 586 686 10 Europolitan 240 08 Int + 46 708 22 22 22 Telia 240 01 Int + 46 771 91 03 50 Switzerland Swisscom 900 228 01 Int + 41 46 05 64 64 Swisscom 1800 228 01 * diAx mobile 228 02 * Orange Syria SYR MOBILE 417 09 Taiwan LDTA 466 92 Int + 886 932 400821 Mobitai 466 93 Int + 886 931 413131 TransAsia 466 99 TWN 466 97 Tuntex 466 06 Int + 886 938 749104 KG Telecom 466 88 Int + 886 938 348404 FarEasTone 466 01 Int + 886 931 000099 * Chunghwa 466 11 Tanzania Tritel 640 01 Thailand TH AIS GSM 520 01 Int + 66 2 299 6440 Total Access Comms 520 18 * WCS 520 10 * Hello 520 23 Tunisia Tunisian PTT 605 02 Turkey Telsim 286 02 Int + 90 212 288 7850 * Turkcell 286 01 Int + 90 212 313 0000 UAE UAE ETISALAT-G1 424 01 UAE ETISALAT-G2 424 02 Int + 971 4004 101 Uganda Celtel Cellular 641 01 * MTN 641 10 Ukraine Mobile comms 255 01 Golden Telecom 255 05 * Radio Systems 255 02 * Kyivstar JSC 255 03 USA Bell South 310 15 Sprint Spectrum 310 02 Voice Stream 310 26 Aerial Comms. 310 31 Omnipoint 310 16 Powertel 310 27 Wireless 2000 310 11 Uzbekistan Daewoo GSM 434 04 Coscom 434 05 Buztel 434 01 Int + 7 3712 320 648 Vatican Omnitel 222 10 Int + 39 349 2000 190 Telecom Italia Mobile 222 01 Int + 39 339 9119 Wind 222 88 Venezuela * Infonet 734 01 * Digitel Vietnam MTSC 452 01 DGPT 452 02 Yugoslavia * Mobile Telekom 220 01 Int + 381 11 138608 * Promonte 220 02 Int + 381 81 9898 * Telekom Serbia 220 03 Int + 381 11 9820 Zaire African Telecom Net Zimbabwe NET*ONE 648 01 * Telecel Zimbabwe 648 04 ------------------------------ From: jmaddaus@NO_SPAM.usa.net (John S. Maddaus) Subject: Re: Book Review: "Intrusion Detection", Edward G. Amoroso Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:41:06 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Reply-To: jmaddaus@NO_SPAM.usa.net Rob Slade wrote: > BKINTDET.RVW 990423 > "Intrusion Detection", Edward G. Amoroso, 1999, 0-9666700-7-8, U$49.95 > %A Edward G. Amoroso eamoroso@mail.att.net > The content is readable and, although it seems odd to use the word in > relation to a security work, even fun. I suppose, though, that I must > point out that your humble "worst copy editor in the entire world" > reviewer found a significant number of typographic errors. (And some > that can't be put down to typos: I think you'll find that it's > "berferd" rather than "berford.") Just my two cents worth. Actually, the 8 point (or is it 6 point, I can't see it clearly enough to tell) type was a challenge for my reading glasses. Though I have not finished the book as yet, my initial reaction is: another example of what I deem a narrow definition of intrusion detection, i.e. limited in scope to "IP". It is hard for many to understand that the majority of today's data networking at some point crosses the boundary into the PSTN, a land where no single person can even contemplate what may or may not be connected. Consider that the typical large customer with a PBX muxes voice and data out to the CO through a "single" Fat-Pipe. The user at the desktop sees voice as a phone and data as a computer. But the infrastructure does not necessarily differentiate. What I had hoped for given Amoroso's employer (AT&T) was that I would finally see some movement to recognize that intrusion detection tools implemented on the local LAN are self limiting depending upon where they are placed, are partially defeated by IPSEC policies that include encryp- tion and that the need for what some would term telecommunications intrusion detection systems is critical. Just wanted to hear that there is more to Intrusion Detection than IP. As an example, if I dial into a modem and establish an illicit connection to a network node, what is the difference if one intrusion detection tool sees me type in "su root" while sniffing the LAN while another tool sniffing the Q.931 stream sees the same string? A great deal. The LAN sniffer may decide I am OK since I originated from a "trusted" source. Different story for the back-door scenario and I might choose to react differently. All too often the back door is the easiest and preferred method for gaining access, at least for the traditional hacker. Further, telecommunications nodes must now be considered network nodes. LECs can site ample evidence of just how true this statement is. Hackers in LMOS, TIRKS, COSMOS - you bet. The number of databases accessible to the typical switch (i.e. read computers) has grown enormously. As the director of security for a major telco once confided, every Central Office in the U.S. either currently has or has in the past been subjected to a hacker break in. Rather sobering words. Hopping between CO's, PBX's and peripheral OSS is commonplace and something you will rarely read about. You will never see details of what I just said, in part because it can not be proven beyond reproach and in part because few will admit the extent of the problem. Further, interconnection via X.25, SS-7, ATM (not to mention all the supporting OSS) all come with their own specific vulnerabilities, portions of which are known to perhaps less than 200 people in the U.S. that are legitimately involved in identifying same. Sadly, the few people who are aware of these vulnerabilites are sequestered away and sworn to secrecy in either a lucky few telco's, infrastructure manufacturers or primarily the intel organizations because we have now entered the realm of information warfare, where the offense NEVER talks with the defense. Correlation and identification of events is intimately secret in all and very little if any sharing takes place (save some few examples where national security was truly involved). Makes an utter sham of the PCCIP. And, in most cases it is truly difficult to find the hole until you've caught someone exploiting it. Sadly, the equipment to monitor the high bandwidth capacity of the above does exist and can be cost effective. But, it does not contribute to the financial bottom line of any telco and is therefore largely ignored. "Security" has always been a tough sell internally, despite some significant proven threats. I know of NOCs that have gone through the trouble to assess the "financial damage to the company if the entire telco infrastructure were deliberately taken down" yet will not spend a dime on investing in any automated incident detection capability, monitoring equipment or support staff. The placement of the NOCs themselves (at major airports for example) is questionable. Many NOCs now have multiple mirror sites, i.e. redundant NOCs capable of being on line by the time employees can get there. The physical threat gets dollars, the invisible intruder threat does not. So the next time you are slammed (despite no pic) start thinking about how this might happen, I mean really think. Or, the entire exchange gets dial tone but can't dial 911, 0 or anything else while the other exchanges on the same CO are OK and it takes four days to fix? And can you really be sure that the LNP data base dip bill your telco just received from a competitor is accurate? Or what do you mean we didn't have a single billable inter-lata call between X and Y for the entire month of June? Or your Nortel DMS-100 is down, the ETAS modems are physically disconnected, you can't call out so you leave the switch room, call Nortel support go back, the switch is up. You call Nortel support and they tell you problem has been corrected????? As an aside, couldn't help but muse at a previous contributor's question on who in Bell Atlantic maintains their Centrex equipment by asking simply who do they let into their CO's? Having recently participated in a telecom vulnerability assessment of a customer served by Centrex elsewhere, we requested a CO site visit. LEC Security politely turned us down, saying that what goes on in the CO is proprietary. Oh well, physical security of the CO was not one of our objectives. The techs we interviewed, however, were very helpful and offered us the site visit we were looking for (Policy, what policy?). I was a bit late getting there. I asked an installer just coming out of the CO if there was a meeting going on inside (never identifying myself). He politely said yes and opened the door for me. I was a bit surprised that he didn't follow me in. Oh well, no one on this floor, I'll try the basement. Hmmm, the master console for the 5E in front of me, no one around, Hmmm, serves a lot of customers, some federal. Alas, thats not why I am here either. Oh well, I'll try the second floor again. There they are. Started a conversation up with one of the resident frame room personnel and noticed an endless stream of people going into and out of the building. Asked if there was always this much traffic. 'Yup, most of it from CLECs. They're supposed to identify themselves, but they usually don't. Most are ex-LEC employees anyway. Not sure what they are doing.' Key in on that last phrase and you get the idea of just where security is at and why any and every type of defensive intrusion detection capability should be widely deployed. Lots of issues here but the essential truth is that you can't stop em, err take action, if you can't detect em. John S. Maddaus Merlin Communication Systems, Inc. Telecom fraud and security conulting jmaddaus@usa.net ------------------------------ From: Mike Pollock Subject: Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:52:06 -0400 Organization: It's A Mike! Bell Atlantic once told me that dialing 700-4141 in the NY Metro area, i.e., removing the 555 to make it a 7 digit local number, will tell you who your regional toll (not LD) carrier is. There's also another 700 555-XXXX number that will give you the name of the reseller where 700 555-4141 gives you the, er, resellee, but I don't remember that one off-hand. Destia (to whom I just switched) should know the code. Mike ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #161 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jun 23 03:00:58 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA03167; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:00:58 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906230700.DAA03167@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #162 TELECOM Digest Wed, 23 Jun 99 03:00:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 162 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Carolinas, South Found to Embrace Caller ID (Stan Schwartz) Book Review: "Securing Java", Gary McGraw/Edward W. Felten (Rob Slade) "Name That Domain" Contest (Fred R. Goldstein) Another Sprint Horror Story (Andrew Green) Reliability of Microwave vs Fibre (J.F. Mezei) Re: 911 Locator Regulations for PBXs (wdg@hal-pc.org) Re: 150K by 2034: A Typical Too-Conservative Opinion (K DeMartino) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:23:35 PDT From: Stan Schwartz Reply-To: stannc@yahoo.com Subject: Carolinas, South Found to Embrace Caller ID Published Tuesday, June 22, 1999 The Charlotte Observer By FOON RHEE Staff Writer The South might summon up an image of friendly front porches and "welcome y'all" openness. But Southerners don't take kindly to phone calls disturbing them at home. More so than other Americans, Carolinians and other Southerners have Caller ID so they know who's calling before picking up, a new study says. And now BellSouth is offering a way to check calls without moving a muscle -- the caller's number pops right up on the TV screen. "The ultimate couch potato's telephone gift," spokeswoman Hope Lanier said Monday. More than 800,000 Carolinas households have Caller ID, the phone firm's most popular optional feature. While 15 percent of American homes and businesses pay for Caller ID, nearly 18 percent do in Charleston. The call-screening feature is slightly more popular than average in Charlotte, Columbia, Greensboro and Raleigh, the study's author said Monday. The main reason people get Caller ID is what you'd expect -- to sidestep telemarketers intruding on dinner to hawk another credit card or some other unwanted product, or to ask for money. John Shelton Reed, a sociologist and Southern expert at UNC Chapel Hill, suspects Caller ID is a polite way to avoid unwelcome conversations. "We may feel we need to talk to any darn fool who calls up," he said Monday. "This may be a way to avoid hanging up on them." "I've occasionally wished I had Caller ID," added Reed, who's surprised by the study. "Even telemarketers, I hate to hang up on them. I try to explain I'm not interested, but they have all these canned responses so I end up having to hang up on them anyway." The service is more popular among less well-off people with less schooling, the study says. "There's a lot going on behind these consumer patterns," said marketing analyst Michael Weiss, a contributing editor to American Demographics magazine whose study is in July's {Atlantic Monthly}. One factor: while richer folks with more education increasingly use e-mail on their home computers to communicate, poorer people stick to the lower-tech telephone and add relatively inexpensive services such as Caller ID and Call Waiting, Weiss said. The technology is getting even more convenient -- for a price. By buying a $99.96 unit and plugging it into their TV like a cable box, BellSouth customers with both Caller ID and Call Waiting Deluxe can see caller information on the screen. There's no extra charge other than regular Caller ID service that runs $6 a month. Deluxe service, which lists the caller's name as well as number, costs $7 a month. "Now you can enjoy uninterrupted TV viewing AND screen your calls at the same time!" BellSouth tempts customers in this month's bills. Homes use Caller ID more often than businesses; the service is most popular among black and Hispanic families. In the nine Southern states served by BellSouth, nearly half of black households and 54 percent of Hispanic ones subscribe, the study says. Overall in those nine states, 39 percent of its residential customers get Caller ID, BellSouth says. That figure is 26 percent in North Carolina and 36 percent in South Carolina. Weiss surmises some Hispanic families screen calls because they want to know if it's a friend or relative so they can speak Spanish -- or whether it's a business or government agency they can call back when someone more fluent in English is home. That helps explain why Caller ID is so common along the Mexican border. For example, Laredo, Tex., where nearly 20 percent of business and residential customers subscribe, has the highest use of all 212 U.S. media markets. Another factor: People tend to add phone features when they move, and most are relocating to the Southeast and Southwest. Caller ID use is lower in the Northeast and the Great Plains. The lowest: Glendive, Mont., where 10.8 percent of homes and businesses have the service. ------------------------------ From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:37:10 -0800 Subject: Book Review: "Securing Java", Gary McGraw/Edward W. Felten Reply-To: rslade@sprint.ca BKSECJAV.RVW 990501 "Securing Java", Gary McGraw/Edward W. Felten, 1999, 0-471-31952-X, U$34.99/C$54.50 %A Gary McGraw gem@rstcorp.com %A Edward W. Felten felten@cs.princeton.edu %C 5353 Dundas Street West, 4th Floor, Etobicoke, ON M9B 6H8 %D 1999 %G 0-471-31952-X %I John Wiley & Sons, Inc. %O U$34.99/C$54.50 416-236-4433 fax: 416-236-4448 rlangloi@wiley.com %P 324 p. %T "Securing Java: Getting Down to Business with Mobile Code" Unlike Oaks "Java Security" (cf. BKJAVASC.RVW), this book concentrates on Java in the popular perception: as a means of providing active code on the Web. As such it is intended not simply for techies, but also for dedicated users. Chapter one provides a readily accessible backgrounder, covering portability, the Internet, the Web, active content, security risks, other active content systems, and a rough outline of the Java security model with particular regard to applets. The original Java applet security model, or "sandbox," is covered in chapter two. The security model is now complicated by signed code, and chapter three points out the changes made. Chapter four outlines a number of malicious applets, but also gives clear directions for disabling Java on both the Netscape and Internet Explorer browsers. The authors outline a second class of hostile applets, in chapter five, that are intended to breach system security and allow an attack to bypass normal security mechanisms. There are suggestions for improving the security model, as well as a review of third party attempts to enhance it, in chapter six. (I was amused to see the slight lifting of the skirts of ICSA [International Computer Security Association]: the history of the outfit is a lot more interesting and convoluted even than is portrayed here.) Chapter seven is directed at programmers, but the advice provided looks at practices and policies rather than APIs (Applications Programming Interfaces) and chunks of sample code. A version of Java specifically designed for Smart Cards is available, and chapter eight looks at its promises and problems. A recap and restatement of the major security issues in mobile code is given in chapter nine. Appendices provide a Java security FAQ, security resource pointers, and directions on Java code signing. The text is quite readable. The authors have made a very serious attempt to ensure that the book does not depend upon previous technical background. For the most part, they have succeeded. The diligent reader would be able to understand most of the concepts as presented, even without having worked with computers or computer security. However, the key word is "diligent:" it *feels* like a technical book, and newcomers to the topic may be put off by the style. In addition, McGraw and Felten are careful to avoid any bias. They obviously feel that Java has some worthwhile security measures, but admit to its faults and point out its shortcomings. This makes the book extremely useful: much more so than an uncritical paean of praise. An effective book on an important subject with a wide audience. But you don't have to take my word for it. You can try before you buy. The www.securingjava.com site does not simply contain a few press releases and the errata, but has the whole text of the book online. A bold step. (You can help justify it by then buying the book.) copyright Robert M. Slade, 1999 BKSECJAV.RVW 990501 ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com The client interface is the boundary of trustworthiness. - Tony Buckland, UBC http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev or http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:43 EST From: FGOLDSTEIN@wn1.wn.net (Fred R. Goldstein) Subject: "Name That Domain" Contest It's not cybersquatting ... it's not illegal, immoral, or fattening, and it could be worth a big prize! All you have to do is guess the new corporate name that Bell Atlantic will be adopting if/when they merge with GTE. They have said that they'll be taking a new name -- "Bell Atlantic" doesn't sound right for their Hawaiian Telephone Company or their biggest GTE state, California. But what will the new name be? Obviously they'll want its .com and .net domains. And if somebody tried to register those domains knowing that they were Bell's new trademark, why, it would be Cybersquatting and poor old Senator Abraham would have a conniption. ICANN and WIPO would have a cow too, and you'd lose the domain registration faster than you could say, "mcdonalds.com". But Bell hasn't even chosen its new name yet, at least as afar as anyone knows, so if the new name happens to infringe on a pre-existing domain name, why, that domain holder would presumably have the right to sell it to them. So the contest is simple. Send $70 (the basic domain registration fee), plus whatever else the registry of your choice wants, to the DNS registry of your choice. Today that's Network Solutions or Register.com, though others will be up soon. Then sit back and wait. If the domain name you register is the name that Bell chooses to replace their existing name, post merger, then you get to negotiate your own prize with them. Remember, you can enter as often as you want. ------------------------------ From: Andrew Green Subject: Another Sprint Horror Story Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:40:53 -0500 Those of you who follow the adventures of Sprint in the marketplace will definitely enjoy this tale from the "Shopping Avenger" in a recent issue of the online magazine {Slate}: http://www.slate.com/ShoppingAvenger/99-06-21/ShoppingAvenger.asp Note that the column starts with a lengthy piece on Northwest Airlines; scroll downwards to find the Sprint PCS section. A short excerpt of the article: > We will return to the issue of airlines in a future episode, > but the Shopping Avenger would like to relate another tale that > caught his attention this past month. The company in question is > Sprint PCS, and the story most definitively does not end with an > apology. > In short strokes, the story goes like this: A customer, William > Summerhill, an associate professor of history at UCLA, ordered > two phones from Sprint PCS. He was billed for six -- weirdly, at > three different prices (still another charge, for one cent, was also > billed to his credit card by Sprint PCS). He fought the bill; Sprint > PCS fought back, by phone and fax, wasting a good amount of time. The entire episode is entertaining, slightly depressing, and classic Sprint. :-) Andrew C. Green (312) 853-8331 Datalogics, Inc. 101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800 http://www.datalogics.com Chicago, IL 60606-7301 Fax: (312) 853-8282 ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Reliability of Microwave vs Fibre Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:38:28 -0400 In a recent trip trhough Outback Australia, I found out that some microwave links are deemed unreliable and folks in remote communities served by a long strong of MW towers often lose service during preiods of high sun activity. Also, Telstra is spending lots of money to string 5km of fiber from a nearby solar repeater to a road house on the Stuart Highway to provide a reliable connection (which would allow installation of newer payphones etc). This is what I was told. I had never heard that microwave links were susceptible to sunspots etc. Is that really the case ? Or are these links "weak" to begin with and thus susceptible, compared to "backbone" links using stronger towers etc ? Also, I noticed that many of the remote towers used dishes made of wire/mesh as opposed to a full metal dish. Does this make a difference? ------------------------------ From: wdg@hal-pc.org Subject: Re: 911 Locator Regulations for PBXs Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:31:52 GMT Organization: You only wish you were this organized On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:23:39 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom Greg Abbott wrote: > I didn't see if you mentioned what state you are in, Texas > but I'm pretty > sure in Illinois that you may be opening yourself up to trouble by > violating the overhear laws. Basically you are eavesdropping on the > 9-1-1 calls from your building. You *might* be able to get around > that by posting it for the employees to see and understand, but what > about visitors? Do the coin phones in your building function the same > way? The employees know how the 911 system in the building works. And goodness knows there's been enough 911 "tapes" of other incidents played over the news media that I would surely by now think that everyone knows that a conversation with the PSAP is hardly confidential. As to the coin phone (singular) no, it is not behind the PBX and hence does not function in the aforementioned manner. The lone paystation in the building also doesn't have a very good record of "up time". It has frequently been out of service for one reason or another (usually the coin box is full). To date no one has ever placed a 911 call from that phone (that I know of). However, my lobby barely qualifies as a public place and one cannot get beyond the lobby without a magnetic-stripe badge. Even escorted guests are issued their own magnetic badge and must use them to pass through a guarded turnstile just to reach the elevators. The entire building is controlled-access, save for the lobby. One thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread and something that I made sure *did* work was dialing 9-1-1 from a "house" phone. ie, one which is otherwise restricted to placing only internal calls and clearly marked as a "house" phone. My "house" phones can dial 9-1-1 as well as 9-9-1-1, again with exact location info in real time. Can yours? As for the scenario described about the hypothetical heart patient or sight-impaired person stuttering on the digits and misdialing, yes that is certainly a possibility. However, I do not think it any greater a possibility than the same person 'stuttering' on any of the other digits. No 911 system operating behind a PBX is going to be everything to everyone. I personally think my system is at least as good as anything anyone else has to offer and far superior to what most PBX operators are using (which is nothing at all). > As a 9-1-1 system administrator, I would rather see the calls route > directly and exclusively to the 9-1-1 center. I understand the > costing argument and database update and so forth, I'm just talking > about the call audio itself. I just have a little uneasiness (is that > a word?) with the scenario as presented. On the other hand, at least > the call will be completed to 9-1-1, unlike a lot of PBX systems. Unlike most, you mean. I really believe the 911 vs. PBX issue is going to become a focal point of attention before long. My PBX at least makes a best effort in that the call is handed to the PSAP and not intercepted. All we're doing with 911 call monitoring and trace is to immediately identify the location and assist. The persons we dispatch *are* qualified to deal with whatever the emergency is until the paramedics/police/fire department arrive. If you ask me, the industry is really behind the eight-ball and asleep at the switch. The PBX 911 system I described to Pat in my original posting is a 13 year-old Mitel SX2000-SG and I've had 911 working through it as detailed for the past five years. In an office complex the size of mine it is imperative that building security and building management keep their fingers on the pulse of what takes place minute by minute. If anything occurs in the building that warrants a 911 call, it is just as vital for us to be apprised of "who, what and where" and respond as it is that the call also proceed to the PSAP unencumbered. If I go down in flames, I'll do so with a clear conscience. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Believe me, I have seen places which were much smaller, much less security-driven, and with employees not nearly as well trained as I suspect yours are who wanted to sidetrack all the 911 calls because they were afraid that something on their premises was happening behind their back that they would otherwise miss out on. As I mentioned to Greg in the last episode of this, every emergency responder is concerned that someone else in the way is going to cause a problem. There were debates that went on in Chicago for several months prior to the start of 911 about whether or not the fire department could trust the police department to handle fire calls as effeciently as their own; or if there was a crunch on system resources, would the police favor their own calls first to the detriment of the fire department, etc. There were debates that went on for *years* over which tiny suburb out of three sharing the same telephone exchange would be responsible for the 911 calls of the other two. In the case of the Chicago Fire Department at least, they were not just crying sour grapes over some other agency cutting in on them; they had serious reservations about it. Their attitude was that they had an important commitment to the community; would they be able to meet it or not under the proposed 911 plan. Some of the intial plans were re-written at the request of the fire department; some procedural changes were made which satisfied them. I think -- not certain -- that University of Chicago diverts 911 on its PBXs ... they have an extremely huge phone system, it takes up most of an Ameritech central office building which is located a block south of the main part of the campus. I think also that their police officers are sworn; that is, they have equal authority to Chicago Police on their own property. That neighborhood in Chicago has a very high rate of crime, violent and otherwise. If your building security people were sworn officers of the law, then of course it is all a moot point. You cannot get sued when your officers respond in good faith. I have to say I can see Greg Abbott's point of view though. 911 is difficult enough without having good citizens trying to play doctor or trying to play house detective without the proper training or experience to do so. Diverting 911 should only be done in exceptional cases, with well trained staff involved such as your own. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Kevin DeMartino Subject: Re: 150K by 2034: That Was a Typical Too-Conservative Opinion Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:43:43 -0400 I fell far behind in reading TELECOM Digest so that I am late in responding to a thread that caught my attention. Paul Robinson wrote in V19 #74: > Recently, Moderator Pat opined that by 2034 we could expect standard > communication speeds of 150K for communications. . . > So basically his opinion is that in 34 years we could see 150K > communications speeds on lines that cost the current equivalent of $20 > using modems that probably cost about $100. > Oh please. In maybe 15 years I've owned my own computer -- 1984 to > 1999 -- I've seen the minimum speed go from 1200 baud to 56000, a > factor of more than 40 times. Just using this figure as an estimate, > figuring the original base figure of 1200 baud and doubling > every three > years, on average should give us a much higher rate than that. Taking > the figure of 1200 baud and giving ten generations of > doubling gives us > "only" 1228800 bits/second, or about the equivalent of a T1 line. . . > I'm going to go out on a limb and predict much higher > numbers. I'll go OC3. > I'll spell that out in simple terms. The average two-way > communications > line for in-home use will be the equivalent of > 44megabits/second by 2034. I pretty much agree. In fact, I would raise the estimate to 155 Mb/s and predict that it will happen long before 2034. Downstream data rates in the T1 range (1.5 Mb/s) can be achieved over most twisted pair access lines in the U.S. using asymmetric digital subscriber line (ADSL) techniques. (See Maxwell, IEEE Communications Magazine, October 1996.) To reduce crosstalk, ADSL data rates in the upstream direction are limited to typically about 10% of the downstream data rate. This is ok for most clients, but not so good for servers. Note that a data rate of 1.5 Mb/s is adequate for transmitting VCR quality video compressed by MPEG-1 encoding. It would be possible to transmit higher quality MPEG-2 video at data rates up to 6 Mb/s in the downsteam direction on a significant percentage of the twisted pair lines in the U.S. The data rates can be further increased if ADSL is used in conjunction with digital loop carrier (DLC) lines. With DLC, many subscriber signals are multiplexed on a single line. For example, a cable carrying hundreds of twisted pairs from the telephone central office to a subscriber neighborhood can be replaced by a single fiber, which reduces the average length of twisted pair access lines to less than half a mile. This makes it possible to achieve downstream data rates in excess of 20 Mb/s with ADSL. Broadband integrated services digital networks (B-ISDN) are supposed to provide data rates sufficient to support voice, data communications, and video on a common network. The goal of B-ISDN is to provide individual subscribers with a full duplex data rate of 155 Mb/s, the fundamental data rate of the synchronous digital hierarchy (SDH). This is 3 times the fundamental synchronous optical network (SONET) data rate (OC-1) and is sufficient to carry many video channels. Data rates of 155 Mb/s and higher can be achieved if fiber is run all the way from the central office to the subscribers' premises. In the near term (the next few years), downstream data rates of a few Mb/s over telephone lines should become more readily available with the deployment of ADSL and other DSL techniques. In the mid-term (10 years?), data rates of tens of Mb/s should be available with the partial deployment of fiber into the subscriber loop. Eventually, twisted pair access lines will go the way of vacuum tubes and be replaced by a superior technology. This will take a long time and a lot of money. My guess is 20 years for widespread deployment of fiber all the way to the subscribers' premises in the U.S. At this point, the equivalent of today's standard phone line will provide the subscriber with a data rate of 155 Mb/s (OC-3) or higher. Kevin DeMartino Dynamics Research Corporation kdemartino@drc.com ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #162 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jun 23 15:10:12 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA26287; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:10:12 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906231910.PAA26287@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #163 TELECOM Digest Wed, 23 Jun 99 15:10:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 163 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Hiding an Originating Phone Number (Steven) Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan (was Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in (Bob Keller) Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US (Bob Keller) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (JF Mezei) Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID (Jack Decker) Re: Alternative Carriers to US West For Dial Tone in 503 (jbyrn) Re: Reliability of Microwave vs Fibre (Terry Kennedy) Re: 1+ Toll Notifier (Dave Close) Re: "Name That Domain" Contest (Andrew) Re: Y2K: Where Will You Be When the Lights Go Out? (Carl Moore) Re: Y2K: Where Will You Be When the Lights Go Out? (Ron Walter) Re: Y2K: Where Will You Be When the Lights Go Out? (Robert A. Rosenberg) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 765 Junction City, KS 66441-0765 Phone: 415-520-9905 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe/unsubscribe: subscriptions@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steven@primacomputer.com (Steven) Subject: Re: Hiding an Originating Phone Number Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:26:09 +0800 Organization: Prima Computer All the switches I have seen record the pin on the inbound connection and the outbound connection. With those two CDRs it is trivial to match them up. Not all switches match the inbound port with the outbound port though. The result is that if there are two people using the same pin then you don't know which one called which number. The moral of this story is that is you are going to blow something up buy codes from a guy on the street corner, not prepaid from 7/Eleven. Steven [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But I have never seen a 7/Eleven store or any other convenience store type place which bothered to ask for names, let alone request identification when selling those cards. I do not think any of them bother to match the PIN on the card they sell with any name in any event. So if I happen to drive down the highway and pull into some combination service station/roadhouse/convenience store kind of place, buy a card then drive off and use it elsewhere, what possible assistance could be given to someone who was looking to find out who made a phone call? It might be as realistic trying to lift fingerprints off of coins dropped in the coinbox or lift fingerprints from the telephone receiver. Now, if someone is already in custody and you wish to 'prove' that the person made a certain phone call, I suppose you could find the PIN used with that phone call, detirmine which store sold the card with that PIN then go to the convenience store along the highway and show a picture of the person in custody to all the clerks and eventually find some clerk who would agree that the person in the picture looked like the person who purchased the card. But I still think that is quite a stretch; how many people that you had a casual, one-time thirty second relationship with a couple months ago can you describe at all, let alone in any detail? Naturally, I suppose that if police were detirmined to convict some one person or another, they would do their best to 'help' the store clerk 'remember' what the person looked like, etc. I would think possession of the card by the person arrested would be far more damning evidence than anything gained by trying to backtrack on the sale from the PIN two or three months later would be. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:47:37 -0700 From: Bob Keller Subject: Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan (was Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage) In TELECOM Digest V19 #160, Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: > But you also don't always get service. I'm spending the summer in > Orange County, NY, and ometimes I get five bar of signal, but when I > try to place a call I get a Bell-Atlantic intercept that I need a > credit card. Ah2a! There's another loophole they can use. Even as currently described on the AT&T Wireless web site: "The AT&T Digital One Rate Calling Plan rates are not available for calls which require a credit card or operator assistance to complete." I'll bet dollars to donuts that what happens is, if they don't have a roaming agreement with the carrier whose signal has got you, you get diverted to the credit card taker, and then you are going to be paying roaming charges and long distance charges. Bob Keller (www.his.com/~rjk) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:39:10 -0700 From: Bob Keller Subject: Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US In TELECOM Digest V19 #159, Bill "Wrong Number" wrote: > Bob ... although I don't have a copy of the AT&T Wireless contract > with me AND I have NO love loss for them on the AT&T Wireless Digital > One Rate Plan(s) you don't pay ANY roaming or long distance. May well be true now. I don't have a copy of a contract either, and I just visited the web site (www.attws.com), and if you look at things there (including the coverage maps) it certainly appears to be what they claim. But when I first started looking into these various "one rate" plans (no roaming, no long distance), a client of mine who was one of the early subscribers to the AT&T Wireless Digital One Rate plan warned me that he did in fact get nailed for roaming charges when he wandered into analog cellular coverage areas not affiliated with AT&T Wireless. The service contract I examined back then did have some carefully chosen words ... something to the effect of no roaming, long distance "while on the AT&T Wireless digital network". I took that to be the caveat that allowed them to get away with it, so I opted for the Bell Atlantic Mobile plan because (a) the price was slightly better, and (b) the contractual language regarding no roaming, no long distance appeared to be unequivocal. So far that has proven to be the case. Bob Keller (www.his.com/~rjk) ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:19:56 -0400 Ed Ellers wrote: > What's the alternative? Should we always do what the rest of the > world tells us to do, and hold off on all technical advances until the > rest of the world gets around to endorsing them? The rest of the world was already well into GSM while North America was still rolling out AMPS analog services. Who was ahead of whom????? > I contend that we as a nation are better off choosing our own > standards, evaluating what other nations' industries are doing on > their own merits, but going it alone when that is in our best > interest. The only folks who have benefitted from the US' not-invented-here syndrome are Quallcomm. Motorola has been building GSM phones overseas for very long. So they have to constantly duplicate phone designs instead just distributing the same phone design worldwide (with just frequency changes). As a result, US companies don't actually export much since they've built their GSM facilities abroad so the US loses export potential. The upside of this are foreign companies such as Nokia and Ericcsson building phones in the USA for the USA market only. > If that means Americans can't take their wireless phones > overseas, and foreign visitors can't use their wireless phones here, I > just don't see that as more than a minor inconvenience. Tell that to companies that need to duplicate software and services because there isn't a single way to send data to phones in the USA due to there being various incompatible protocols (some of which don't even support phones sending SMS messages). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:20:45 -0400 From: Jack Decker Subject: Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID davidesan@my-deja.com (David Esan) wrote: > After I switched I dialed 1-700-555-4141 to verify that the switch had > taken place. I got the message: "Welcome to the Frontier Network." > Frontier is my local telephone company, but certainly is not Destia. > A call to Destia customer service (with only a three minute wait), > suggested that I try 1-700-555-9499. I did and got "Welcome to Destia". [...snip...] > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I believe that 4141 should work in all > cases. I've a hunch that anyone dialing 9499 will hear the 'welcome to > Destia' message regardless of being a customer or not of the company. [subsequent messages contained numerous examples to show this is not the case.] My take on this: From any given line, all calls to any 1-700 number are sent directly to the customer's presubscribed interLATA carrier - that is to say, the REAL carrier, not the reseller. The carrier then decides what to do with a call to any particular 1-700 number. So in this case, I would guess that the REAL carrier is Frontier Network. But Frontier has Destia as a reseller, and they have told Destia to give their customers the 9499 number to verify that the service has been switched. If you were previously an AT&T or MCI customer (for example) and your local phone company has not yet changed your PIC, and you dial the 9499 number, you'll get a recording from your previous carrier (depending on how THEY route calls to 9499). My guess would also be that any genuine Frontier Network customer would get the Destia recording if dialing 9499. And if Frontier has other resellers, you might get their recordings by trying different suffixes (my logical mind would start trying other combinations of 9x99, where x is something other than "4"). Of course, if Frontier wanted to do it in a more sophisticated way, they could examine the ANI on any call to the standard 1-700-555-4141 number, and do a database dip to see which of their resellers (if any) have that line, and then deliver an appropriate recording. I suspect that this would be what larger carriers (such as any of the "Big 3") do for their resellers. You dial 1-700-555-4141, and the first thing they do is check your number to see which reseller's recording you should receive. But for whatever reason, Frontier apparently doesn't do it that way, they simply give each of their resellers a different 700 number to use with their customers. Of course there is a risk here, in that if you move from one Frontier reseller (or Frontier itself) to a different one, the recording will give you no clue as to who Frontier currently thinks should be your reseller -- it will just happily deliver the recording of the reseller associated with whatever 1-700-555 number you dialed. Disclaimer: This is all just speculation on my part -- I am just "guessing out loud" as it were. If I figured it out, great. But be aware that what I have said above may not bear any resemblance at all to the actual reality of the situation! :-) Jack (Make the obvious modification to my e-mail address to reply privately.) ------------------------------ From: jbyrn Subject: Re: Alternative Carriers to US West For Dial Tone in 503 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:58:48 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com someone@teleport.com wrote in message ... > Now that US Worst is charging us for the number portability database > (which Ross Perot's EDS is behind schedule on delivering, BTW), who > else can I contract with for local dial tone in the (503) Portland > Metro area (specifically, the area of the ATlantic exchange)? MCI Worldcom offers local dial tone for businesses in Portland, but I don't know about residential. You should contact their local sales office to see if it is available -- if so, I'm sure it will be significantly cheaper (and no LNP charges on your bill). ------------------------------ From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: Reliability of Microwave vs Fibre Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:46 GMT J.F. Mezei writes: > This is what I was told. I had never heard that microwave links were > susceptible to sunspots etc. Is that really the case? One Northeast Internet provider used to operate a microwave backbone (as far as I know, it's been retired for some time). DECUS used to be connected to that provider, and whenever there was snow/rain/fog, connectivity would slow to a crawl. I used to have a feed to a satellite uplink that used microwave from SPC to some point west of Newark Airport, and whenever a plane flew through the path, we'd get snow in the signal. > Or are these links "weak" to begin with and thus susceptible, compared > to "backbone" links using stronger towers etc ? Signal strength plays a part in it, as does the amount of bandwidth you are willing to sacrifice for error correction. Also, temporary installations (like TV news trucks) combine low power with less-stable antennas, which is why you see odd effects on the news. Were the rural stations you saw self-powered (for example, solar) or was there a utility grid in place? If they're self-powered, that would explain the low-power operation. > Also, I noticed that many of the remote towers used dishes made of > wire/mesh as opposed to a full metal dish. Does this make a difference? Not much. It depends on the frequency used and the wire spacing of the mesh, but they're pretty similar in performance to the solid ones if chosen properly. The mesh is used for wind/snow/etc. resistance. Digging up the ground for fiber is a one-time expense (modulo repairs from errant backhoes), but you can put *vastly* more data over fiber. The largest fiber I've seen going in around here is 432-strand. Given that you build redundant diverse paths, that's 864 strands between two points. Assuming OC-48 data rates and redundant fiber pairs, you get 216 OC-48's, which is about seven million simultaneous voice calls (traditional, without compression). Newer equipment is either OC-192 (giving 28 million simultaneous calls) or DWDM. A 16-wavelength DWDM system w/ each wavelength running at OC-48 speeds would give 112 million simultaneous phone calls. I think that somewhere along here we exceeded the total population of Australia ... And this is just two cables that are less than 2" in diameter. Of course, nobody would use these for 112 million phone calls - they use them for data. But cables of this size are being installed regularly in places like New York City. Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) ------------------------------ From: dave@compata.com (Dave Close) Subject: Re: 1+ Toll Notifier Organization: Compata, Costa Mesa, California Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:46:48 GMT Stan Schwartz writes: > Once the NANP standardizes on NPA+7D dialing for local calls, 1+NPA+7D > should be used for "a toll may apply". However, that only seems > logical (to me) so it could never work. I'm starting to see advertisements for flat-rate long-distance service, something I have been predicting for several years. The general plan offered today is some amount of money for some number of minutes of LD to anywhere in the US, per month. I continue to predict that there will be additional varieties of calling plans offered, eventually leading to one all-inclusive monthly fee for calling anywhere for any length of time. Sprint PCS's Toll-Free USA and AT&T's One Rate plans are leading the way. There will also be less distinction in the future between landline and cellular phones. Already, some customers are using a cellphone as their only phone. As some local service is offered through stationery wireless devices, the distinction will erode further. Pricing plans will also come into competition with each other. Right now, we accept as natural that local calling areas for cell phones are generally larger than for landline phones in the same area. Soon, that will seem very strange. The only thing slowing this trend is the unholy alliance between the landline carriers and the regulators. Rate center boundaries are set by regulation and new landline carriers are forced to conform. The pressure to change will become too strong to resist as wireless and landline carriers come into direct competition. Ultimately, each carrier will determine it's own rate structures, and will change them in response to competitive pressures. When every phone potentially has a different calling plan and a different rate structure, toll alerting becomes a much more complicated issue. Fortunately, it also becomes a much less significant issue as the cost of toll calls drops, possibly to zero. I believe that those folks who are promoting 1+ toll alerting are living in the past and fighting the last war. The issue today, IMHO, is my present inability to dial any number from anywhere using the same string of digits. -- Dave Close, Compata, Costa Mesa CA "Politics is the business of getting dave@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 power and privilege without dhclose@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit." - P. J. O'Rourke ------------------------------ From: andrew@3.1415926.org (Andrew) Subject: Re: "Name That Domain" Contest Date: 23 Jun 1999 15:37:12 GMT Organization: gte-ba.com Industries Fred R. Goldstein (FGOLDSTEIN@wn1.wn.net) wrote: > It's not cybersquatting ... it's not illegal, immoral, or fattening, > and it could be worth a big prize! All you have to do is guess the > new corporate name that Bell Atlantic will be adopting if/when they > merge with GTE. Thank you for the heads up! I have just entered gte-ba.com and gte-ba.net in the contest. Wish me luck! Andrew [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, okay, good luck ... but are you are they will not try to claim some ownership of the letters 'GTE' when arranged in that order? If so, they could sic their lawyers on you. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:34:44 EDT From: Carl Moore Subject: Re: Y2K: Where Will You Be When the Lights Go Out? TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response: > TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Was it supposed to be 9999 as in the > 99th day of year 99 or was it supposed to be 9-9-99 as in the ninth > day of the ninth month of year 99? I did see reference to 9 April 1999 (99th day of '99) somewhere! However, it was not in an article dated 13 Sept 1998 (forwarded in a message dated two days later) in a TELECOM Digest. THAT article has the following items between now and 1 Jan 2000 (and notice Sept 9, 1999, a/k/a "9-9-99"): Aug. 21, 1999: The GPS rollover problem; Sept. 9, 1999: The 9999 end-of-file problem; Oct. 1, 1999: The federal fiscal year 2000 problem. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, the 'federal fiscal year 2000 problem' is a problem in more ways than one: In addition to not knowing for sure if their computers are going to start when they come to work that day, the whole operation is bankrupt (in more ways than one!) as well. I suppose if they can get their computers cranked up and started, they will just ignore the other problems as they always have. Can you imagine any private business or individual having debt as out of proportion to their income as does the federal government NOT being forced by its creditors into bankruptcy? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:01:48 -0500 From: Ron Walter Organization: Capitol City Telephone, Inc. Subject: Re: Y2K: Where Will You Be When the Lights Go Out? > Responding to an article forwarded to the Digest early last November: > We've already passed April 9, 1999 (noted as the 99th day of '99). > Anything happen then? Don't get complacent even if it did go > smoothly. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Was it supposed to be 9999 as in the > 99th day of year 99 or was it supposed to be 9-9-99 as in the ninth > day of the ninth month of year 99? From what little programming I've done, I'm not too concerned about either. The 99th day of 1999 would usually show as 09999. September 9 would usually be 090999. While some might have written some more complex code to allow them to eliminate the zeroes in the date fields, and in those cases it does show all nines, that probably won't make much difference because the next question would be whether the date field would be the field that the program is looking for the nines in. I heard some great predictions about Y2K. 40,000 businesses will fail due to Y2K. That's about how many businesses fail each year, but Y2K becomes a convenient excuse. Stores will run out of food. Shoot, as scared as everyone's getting, they'll be running on the stores in December running them out of food. There will be rioting. Well, about the first of the year some college team wins a National Championship and there's usually rioting to follow (except after Nebraska's wins). [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There will not be any rioting because the government will not permit any rioting. As I write this, some Big Tough Marines are in daily combat and riot control training in Virginia whose mission starting at the end of this year will be to see to it that you behave yourself, take what is given to you and be grateful. And if you cannot behave yourself, then they will be authorized to shoot you dead and give your little box of supplies including food, drinking water and a roll of toilet paper to some other citizen who needs it as much as yourself who *did* behave. I suspect most of the disturbances in the USA will occur during the day and evening of December 31 as reports filter back from places like Australia, New Zealand and Hong Kong. If reports come back that they are having service interuptions, computer failures and the like -- and of course you know that radio, television and this Digest will be bringing you live coverage all day from those places to help you stay informed -- then that will get the Americans all the more frantic and hysterical. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:05:42 -0400 From: Robert A. Rosenberg Subject: Re: Y2K: Where Will You Be When the Lights Go Out? Carl Moore wrote: > Responding to an article forwarded to the Digest early last November: > We've already passed April 9, 1999 (noted as the 99th day of '99). > Anything happen then? Don't get complacent even if it did go > smoothly. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Was it supposed to be 9999 as in the > 99th day of year 99 or was it supposed to be 9-9-99 as in the ninth > day of the ninth month of year 99? I had heard it was to be the > latter, a few days after Labor Day there would be trouble. Well I > guess no one knows for sure, and all we can do is hope for the best, > that there will be massive outages and computer failures; that the > government will be in shambles; that people everywhere will riot and > loot all the stores looking for food and beverages to drink and that > the telephone system will shut down. It is supposed to be both. One is for YYDDD (DDD'th day of "year" 99) and the other is MMDDYY/YYMMDD (9th Month and 9th day of "year" 99). Both are erroneous as the patterns show. DDD is _3_ not _2_ digits (or we'd have a 99 day year) so the CORRECT date is 99_0_99. The same goes for MMDD since there are 12 (not 9) months and 28-31 days in a month (not just 9). These dates being considered "dangerous" is due to computer-illiterates confusing fixed length/format dates (which the computer uses) with free length/form dates (which humans use). With human readable the date ends with the blank and a date is from 4 to 6 digits long (plus 2 separators ["-", ".", or "/"). ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #163 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jun 23 17:51:09 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA03283; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:51:09 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906232151.RAA03283@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #164 TELECOM Digest Wed, 23 Jun 99 17:51:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 164 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: 911 Locator Regulations for PBXs (Charles B. Wilber) Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID (Tom Betz) Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID (Eric Morson) Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? (Andrew Emmerson) Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? (Martin Tibbitts) Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Jun 1999 09:59:33 EDT From: Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) Reply-To: Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) Subject: Re: 911 Locator Regulations for PBXs TELECOM Digest Editor noted: > So Greg, I do understand your position very well, but I also empha- > thize with persons whose responsibilities include managing large > institutional properties, etc and who must, absolutely without > question for legal reasons be 'on top of' or aware and responsive > to every single incident which occurs on their premises. That is > why I said his passing of calls explicitly to 911 unhindered while > still monitoring them so that his own security representatives and > other trained personnel listened and began responding was probably > the best things could get. And after all, when your people get a > call reporting a fire and patch it through, *they* stay on the line > and listen don't they? After all, police may very well be needed to > assist firemen in an evacuation or crowd-control, etc. So what > is the difference? PAT] As PBX manager and E-911 administrator for a large college, I can pass on to your readers that a significant number of people, both potential E-911 users and those charged with examining legal issues for our institution, have expressed serious concerns about privacy regarding 911 calls. There is strong feeling among some that the 911 dispatch center (PSAP) and *only* the dispatch center should be privy to the details of a live 911 call. Emergency personnel can still be immediately dispatched to the scene of an emergency without hearing the actual voice content of the call. The nature of the emergency can even be mentioned without the actual voice of the reporting party being heard by anyone other than PSAP personnel. There are those who feel that such live monitoring of emergency calls by "extraneous" persons constitutes a serious breach of privacy and an unwarranted and unnecessary intrusion. As always in cases like this, the "proof" is in the jury verdict, though. Charlie Wilber Dartmouth College Hanover, New Hampshire [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: If you do not hear the voice of the reporting party, exactly *who* then tells you the nature of the emergency, and whether you want the firemen, the nurse, or your security representatives to respond? Or do they all respond? If a person is on your property and that person has sufficient legal standing to sue you afterward (yes, I realize anyone can sue anyone else for any reason; the court will rule on its legitimacy) then I would hardly consider you to be an 'extraneous' person in the event. And if there must be a breach of privacy or an unwarranted intrusion is it better that the entire institution be disrupted in its activities with students/employees/others wandering about, gaping and looking and getting in the way of emergency responders because management was blissfully unaware of the matter until the firemen pulled in the driveway with sirens blaring only to discover that the 'emergency' consists of a malicious pull on an alarm box? Emergencies are of legitimate concern to any community, and a person who declares that an emergency exists -- which is the ONLY reason 911 should EVER be called; when a situation exists in which immediate intervention is required -- is hardly in a position to say that their particular emergency is their own private business and that their privacy was invaded by community knowledge of the event. If that is the case, they had no business dialing 911. I am sure Greg Abbott, if he wishes to write again, can relate all sorts of horror stories about people abusing 911, calling for the damnedest things that had nothing to do with whether or not a police officer or firefighter was expected to rush off to the scene with no assurance he would come out of it alive and go home to his own family that night. Every 911 agency deals with that all the time. Police maintain administrative seven digit numbers (or as noted a couple days ago, just dial PIG and the four digit extension of the one you want to speak with) to discuss things that happened yesterday, things that might happen tomorrow or general, non-specific complaints about your neighbors, or people of other religions, lifestyles, etc that you happen to dislike. 911 is only to be used for things happening right now which require intervention right now. You should never monitor police admin calls for any reason; that *is* an invasion of the caller's privacy, but why is a call to 911 where the person screams FIRE! any different than a person who runs through the hallway of your premises shouting FIRE! The community has the right to knowledge and involvement in either case. And I ask again: without hearing the voice on the phone as it describes its emergency, intervention needed now, situation, how do you know who among your staff is best suited to respond? I am sure 911 does not call you back to say the caller reported smelling smoke somewhere, or that a suspicious man was loitering somewhere. It is always so much fun to listen to the police scanner, even though police usually do not appreciate citizens listening to them, because of the perfectly marvelous 'emergencies' you hear about that would never be known otherwise. Even the dispatchers and responding officers treat some of them very casually and joke about them which I guess you have to do to keep your own sanity. If you stopped for a minute to cry or pray or anything else you would never be of any value in that line of work, especially in a larger city where calls to 911 and radio dispatches are like an assembly line, one after another seconds apart around the clock. PAT] ------------------------------ From: tbetz@panix.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID Date: 23 Jun 1999 17:49:58 GMT Organization: Society for the Elimination of Junk Unsolicited Bulk Email Reply-To: tbetz@pobox.com Quoth Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) in : >> A call to Destia customer service (with only a three minute wait), >> suggested that I try 1-700-555-9499. I did and got "Welcome to Destia". >> Is one number for intra-LATA calling and the other for out of LATA? >> Is there a difference between the numbers? > FWIW, I tried 1-700-555-9499 from both of my home phones, here in > suburban Philadelphia (Bell Atlantic-land). > On line #1, subscribed to Worldcom (from the pre-MCI days) yields "Thank you for using MCI ..." > On line #2, subscribed to Sprint, "[SIT TONES] We're sorry, you have > reached a number that has been disconnected, or is no longer in > service ..." > Evidently, the call is handed off to the PIC'ed carrier, since the two > lines produced different results. What happens then is anyone's > guess. Here, we just switched over to Frontier via CTC. On half our lines, both those numbers correctly identify our LD carrier as Frontier. On the other half, as soon as I have dialed 1-700-555 I get [SIT TONES] "We're sorry, your call can not be completed as dialed ..." CTC hasn't come up with an explanation yet; can anyone else here give me a clue? We have tried ignorance | Tom Betz, Generalist for a very long time, and | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: it's time we tried education.| | YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! ------------------------------ From: Eric@AreaCode-Info.com (Eric Morson) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:02:30 -0400 Subject: Re: 1-700-555 For Carrier ID I have SNET local service in CT and MCI Long Distance for Intra- and Interstate calls on all four of my lines. When I dial (700) 555-4141, two of my lines say "Thank you for selecting MCI-Worldcom", and the other two1 say "Your long distance service is now connected". All accounts were set up directly via MCI, not any reseller. Why would there be any difference at all, and what does the generic message mean? All accounts are confirmed active with MCI and billing is error free, despite the generic message on 2 of 4 lines. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I believe that 4141 should work in all > cases. I've a hunch that anyone dialing 9499 will hear the 'welcome to > Destia' message regardless of being a customer or not of the company. I did try dialing (700) 555-9499 and got a trunk busy signal. Eric B. Morson Co-Webmaster AreaCode-Info.com EMail: Eric@AreaCode-Info.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Please note however that with 4141 you can force it to say whatever you want by dialing the appropriate carrier access code first instead of the 1+ default. PAT] ------------------------------ From: midshires@cix.co.uk (Andrew Emmerson) Subject: Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? Date: 22 Jun 1999 11:48:21 GMT Organization: CIX - Compulink Information eXchange Reply-To: midshires@cix.co.uk > If your name is on that phone bill then you are the only one who can > authorize it. Otherwise I say that you were slammed. Precisely. Once a contract is made, it can only be varied by the two parties who originally made it. Nobody else can alter the terms of that contract. This is a fundamental point of law (Well, it is here in Britain!). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:26:02 -0400 From: Martin Tibbitts Organization: LCR Telecommunications, LLC Subject: Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? Call the carrier and ask to listen to the verification tape. If the verification system asked whether (your wife) is authorized to make changes to the line, and she says "yes", then you don't have a lot of ground to stand on, as the carrier wouldn't know that she is not, and the name of the authorizer is *not* sent ot the LECs as part of the PIC request. My company is an LD reseller, and I handle provisioning, so this is pretty first hand. So, assuming that she did authorize it, it would be a legal switch. My suggestion is ask the LEC to put a PIC freeze on your account. Then only you can switch carriers. But you have to do it by calling the LEC yourself ... you can't authorize someone else to do it in your name. Martin Tibbitts LCR Telecommunications, LLC ------------------------------ From: anthony@alphageo.com (Anthony Argyriou) Subject: Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:57:51 GMT Organization: Alpha Geotechnical Reply-To: anthony@alphageo.com srini_v@my-deja.com wrote: > A few days back a telemarketer from a long distance company called and > talked to my wife. A few days later, the long distance service was > switched to the new company. > My wife does not specifically remember if she authorized the switch. > The phone is in my name, and my wife is not yet in the authorized > list of persons that can update my account. I had given this list to > my local telephone company a year back. > My question is, even if assuming that my wife authorized the switch, > is it legal? If you were in California, and I was the slammer's lawyer, I'd argue it was legal (as long as I could make the case that your wife did authorize the change). California is a community property state, and I believe that the wife's authorization would hold up. However, IANAL. Anthony Argyriou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:50:05 -0700 From: Babu Mengelepouti Reply-To: dialtone@vcn.bc.ca Organization: US Secret Service Subject: Calling in Seattle Actually, if it is a local call in the Seattle area and you dial 1+, the call will not be billed as a long distance call. It simply will not go through. Seven or ten digits is permissive for local calls originating and terminating in 206, 425 or 253. You must dial ten digits from one NPA to the other (e.g. 425-885-8080 to call Microsoft from Seattle). The one caveat is that if you dial a carrier access code plus 1-206 (or 425 or 253) the long distance carrier *will* bill you at their intraLATA rate. There is no "free" calling if you route something through a carrier access code, so be sure that it's actually long distance before you get that "great" 10-10-whatever rate! ------------------------------ From: Eric@AreaCode-Info.com (Eric Morson) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:05:31 -0400 Subject: Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan Joel, Some phones offer a way to see the SID you are connected to at the given moment. Look in your manual to see if there's a way to SCAN SID. This should help you determine what signal you are using. Also set your phone to SCAN A. On the AT&T Wireless plans, the A Band is preferred. If you are NOT Scanning A only, you may move to B, in which case you'll have NO digital signal at all, just analog, since BAM offers CDMA. AT&T as you know is TDMA, making your phone unable to use digital when it acquires a B Band signal. On the Motorola StarTac, the shortcut is FCN 1-2-7 STO For some Audiovox phones (850-855 series) FNC 81 In Orange County NY, BAM is SID 486, AT&T is SID 1513. Eric B. Morson Co-Webmaster AreaCode-Info.com EMail: Eric@AreaCode-Info.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:14:56 -0700 From: Dave Stott Subject: Re: 10-10-220 In TELECOM Digest # 160, leob@best.com (Leonid A. Broukhis)wrote: > In article , Joel B Levin wrote: >> That's just a restatement of the pricing as advertised: "Any call up >> to 20 minutes for 99 cents, then ten cents a minute." The catch is >> that it's a great rate when the call is over 12 minutes, but very >> expensive to make a couple of one minute calls with. If you plan to >> talk for 20 minutes, and get the answering machine instead, you're >> screwed for the whole 99 cents anyhow. > Convenience aside, it seems that the idea or possibility of using one > carrier to make sure the other party is at home, then using another > carrier for a long call, escapes some people completely. and Pat replied: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But Leo, there is a limit to what > effort most people will go to to save a few cents, and a few cents > is what it comes down to these days with most carriers. At the > end of the month your long distance bill was two dollars less because > you incovenienced your called party by dialing once then telling him > to hang up and wait for your next call a few seconds later, etc. My son, who is 16, has a girlfriend in California. When it's her night to call, we can expect the phone to ring at about 11pm; if he answers, we can expect another call in about 60 seconds. They take turns calling and since they are (each) spending somewhere between $75 and $100 per month on this long-distance relationship, they find it quite useful to do the 10-cent "are you home" first-minute call, then call back on the 20-minute-for-99-cent carrier. The phone rings about half a ring every 20 minutes after that for about the next hour or two. I admire their resourcefulness. Dave Stott [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: If you have a specific situation in mind such as you describe, where there will be a large amount of calling on a schedule and it is known in advance, then what they are doing is good. I was referring more however to the casual long distance call to a friend that you happen to think about and happen to call once or twice a month for thirty minutes or so at a time. The application is all important, as always. PAT] ------------------------------ From: James Gifford Reply-To: gifford@nitrosyncretic.com Organization: Nitrosyncretic Press Subject: Re: Another Sprint Horror Story Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:39:03 GMT Andrew Green wrote: >> In short strokes, the story goes like this: A customer, William >> Summerhill, an associate professor of history at UCLA, ordered >> two phones from Sprint PCS. He was billed for six -- weirdly, at >> three different prices (still another charge, for one cent, was also >> billed to his credit card by Sprint PCS). He fought the bill; Sprint >> PCS fought back, by phone and fax, wasting a good amount of time. I'd like to thank the members of this group for keeping me from making a horrible mistake. I just changed two accounts from analog to PCS, and I had been considering Sprint for one of them. Silly me. :) | James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com | | See http://www.nitrosyncretic.com for the Robert Heinlein FAQ | | and information on "Robert A. Heinlein: A Reader's Companion" | ------------------------------ From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: 23 Jun 1999 15:17:14 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com In article , J.F. Mezei wrote: > Ed Ellers wrote: >> What's the alternative? Should we always do what the rest of the >> world tells us to do, and hold off on all technical advances until the >> rest of the world gets around to endorsing them? > The rest of the world was already well into GSM while North America > was still rolling out AMPS analog services. Who was ahead of whom????? Bzzzt. Thank you for playing. AMPS was designed and first built in the *1970s*. I'd be interested to know the date when the total geographic area covered by GSM equalled that covered by AMPS. I'd have to guess early 90's, though I'd be interested to know otherwise ... Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" ------------------------------ From: djmcdona@fnord.io.com (Daniel J McDonald) Subject: Re: Alternative Carriers to US West For Dial Tone in 503 Date: 23 Jun 1999 19:43:38 GMT Organization: Illuminati Online In article , jbyrn wrote: > someone@teleport.com wrote: >> Now that US Worst is charging us for the number portability database >> (which Ross Perot's EDS is behind schedule on delivering, BTW), who >> else can I contract with for local dial tone in the (503) Portland >> Metro area (specifically, the area of the ATlantic exchange)? > MCI Worldcom offers local dial tone for businesses in Portland, but I > don't know about residential. You should contact their local sales > office to see if it is available -- if so, I'm sure it will be > significantly cheaper (and no LNP charges on your bill). Electric Lightwave also offers service in Portland. Daniel J McDonald CCIE # 2495, CNX Digicon Technologies, Inc dmcdonald@digicontech.com ------------------------------ From: Afshin David Youssefyeh Subject: Do Cellular Phones Cause Cancer? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:28:02 -0700 Having read one more story about cellular phones causing brain tumors: http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20321.html I have gone over the edge and decided to do something about it. For me, this was the last straw! This week I am going to get a handsfree kit and an ear piece for when I carry it around. Am I being overly cautious? Also, one of my good friends told me today that because it uses CDMA spread spectrum, Sprint PCS is the lesser of the cellular evils. Is this true? -Afshin Youssefyeh ------------------------------ From: dswirsky@netscape.net (Dan S. Wirsky) Subject: Cell Phone Call Tracing Question Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:54:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. A relative of mine was robbed in her apartment. The attacker knocked on the door and asked for the telephone number of the previous tenant. The victim gave him the number and then he dialed something with his cell phone and said that there was no answer. He then beat and robbed her. The police got a warrant to check all incoming calls to the previous tenant's number at the time of the attack in order to trace back to the attacker's cellular phone. However, he was apparently not foolish enough to actually dial the previous tenant's number. I want to try a different tack. I want to know if the cellular telephone company's database stores the identity of the cell from which a phone call is made as part of the record of the phone call. If this is the case, the police might try to get a warrant for all phone numbers that made an outgoing call from the cell that covered her apartment at the time of the robbery. Until they catch the guy she feels very unsafe in and around her apartment. I'd really appreciate any help I can get. Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ From: Phil Smiley Subject: IXC Notification of NPA Changes Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:08:46 GMT Whose responsibility is it to tell an LD Carrier that an area code is splitting, overlaying etc. Does the local telco have any responsibility in telling the IXCs? ------------------------------ From: alcazar3@my-deja.com (Alonzo Alcazar) Subject: Difference Between NAC and NIC Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:05:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. What is the difference between NAC (network application card) and a NIC(network interface card)? Thanks a lot for any help. alonzo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:01:38 EDT From: David Perrussel Subject: Search Engine For "thedirectory" Prefix List Requested As some of you who are regulars to the TELCOM DIGEST or the comp.dcom.telecom newsgroup may already know, "thedirectory" (www.thedirectory.org), the largest listing of Internet Providers and web hosting companies, also runs a section on their website where people can find ratecenter names for a particular area code and prefix (NPA-NXX) combination. For the the last three years, users have been able to look up a ratecenter name from lists of prefixes (one web page for each area code) for the United States and Canada. This has been a public service of "thedirectory" and we plan to continue this service free of charge, especially since AT&T started charging 99 cents per request for NPA-NXX information via their new "Double-O" directory service. We would like to start using a search engine so users can find the ratecenter names easier. The search engine would accept an NPA and NXX combo and return the ratecenter name and type of service (i.e. CLEC, cellular, PCS, etc) from our database. We would like to use a delimited ASCII list - but can also use, dBase/Foxpro .DBF files or Excel .XLS files if need be. Our problem is - we are database researchers and maintainers but know nothing about web page CGI scripts. If anyone out there knows of a program or script that can run a Windows NT based webserver that can be easily modified to perform such a task, we would like to know about it. Or, if anyone can modify one and send it to us it would be most appreciated. The sooner we get the search engine on line, the sooner we can put the updates on the web. (We have TONS of updates and additions!) Please E-mail me at either address below. Thanks in advance. Dave Perrussel Assistant Webmaster - "thedirectory" of Internet Providers and Web Hosting companies Web: http//www.thedirectory.org E-Mail: prefix@softhome.net or bbscorner@thedirectory.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:04:38 EDT From: Carl Moore Subject: Pager at the U.S. Open Golf Tournament I have been hearing the word "beeper" regarding what Phil Mikkelsen (sp) was carrying when he played the just-concluded U.S. Open (golf) in North Carolina. (He lost, and made it back to Arizona on time for his wife giving birth to a daughter yesterday, Monday 21 June.) I take it he used vibrator mode only! I have seen cell-phone prohibitions posted for the LPGA McDonald's tournament in Wilmingon, Delaware, and also for the arts center there on South Madison Street (I was in the latter on Sunday looking at the Meiji Japanese exhibit) -- but neither had a note posted about pagers! I was referred back to the cloakroom check at the arts center when I mentioned that I had a pager, but heard (as I had suggested in THIS forum earlier) that it was OK in vibrator mode only. I have had libraries, church services, theater events, etc. to consider as well, so I have commonly used vibrator mode anyway. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #164 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jun 23 21:08:11 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA11417; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:08:11 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906240108.VAA11417@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #165 TELECOM Digest Wed, 23 Jun 99 21:08:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 165 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson A VISA Card From Merrick Bank With a Catch to It (TELECOM Digest Editor) GSM Interception (Babu Mengelepouti) Questions on How Billing and Rating Are Actually Done (Carl E. Huth) Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan (was Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage) (John Levine) Microwave Oven Interference (jcheah@my-deja.com) Re: Now That I'm Paying For it, Where is it? (Steve Howell) LD Carriers Question (Howard Kaikow) Bellheads vrs. Netheads (Richard Shockey) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:22:12 EDT From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: A VISA Card From Merrick Bank With a Catch to It Until about ten years ago, having a VISA or Mastercard meant that you had reasonably a reasonably good credit standing, at least at the time you applied for the card. VISA/MC never did have quite the stringent credit requirements which applied to Amex or Diners Club, but they were always ahead of the cards issued by oil companies to motorists where just about anyone who had a car was able to get a credit card from the oil companies of his choice unless his credit was really, really bad. VISA/MC was about equal with Discover, the card which had its origins in the Sears, Roebuck Company as their store credit card under the Sears name until it expanded and began appearing in the same places as the other big credit issuers cards. VISA/MC were considered such symbols of good credit standing that quite a few department stores in the 1980's and early 1990's used them as a way to convert credit card users without the hassle and expense involved in validating credit-worthy customers. Many chains had 'instant credit' promotions where if a customer presented a VISA/MC (or Amex or Diners card) as payment, the store clerk was instructed to ask the customer, 'would you like a credit card from our store?' and if the answer was yes, the customer's signature on a small form was all it took; credit was issued on the spot for the merchandise and anywhere from two to three weeks later, the customer would receive plastic in the mail from that chain store, with his original purchase of course already on the bill. No further credit investigation was done; no further credit application was required. The store *did* have to have the customer's signature on file since federal law forbids the unsolicited issuance of credit cards without the consumer's okay. Ah, the stories that could be told from the middle 1960's when VISA first got started as 'Bank Americard' and the millions of dollars in writeoffs they had to eat as a result of their unsophis- ticated practices in those days is good for another day ... but by the 1980's they had gotten sophisticated enough that merchants who wanted to issue their own cards without the expense of setting them up and also to avoid the two or three percent discount that VISA/MC applied to purchases were able to begin using those two major cards as guidelines. If you had a VISA/MC, therefore your credit has already been checked and you are a good bet for one of the store cards, right? The store let VISA/MC do all the work and then sort of rode on their coattails with their own credit programs. No need to waste money checking out the customer, VISA/MC already did all that, otherwise why would the person have one of their cards? Then one day, someone let the cat out of the bag you might say, and revealed that VISA/MC had begun accepting franchisee banks who had 'secured credit card' programs and that there was no way to tell the difference between a secured and an unsecured VISA/MC unless you just happened to know the name of a bank which was doing the former. Unsecured credit simply means there is nothing of value to back it up. The creditor has nothing to go on except your promise that you will pay him what is due. Your credit bureau report tells the merchant if you are good at keeping your promises or not. Some people would say that their word -- their willingness to look you in the face, shake your hand and state their intentions -- is quite valuable, and I guess it is; but unsecured means there is no property or other tangible, easily convertible thing to assure the creditor that he will be paid. Secured credit on the other hand is credit which is backed up by something of value. It could be a sum of money deposited as a 'performance bond' or a savings account given to the bank as collateral, a mortgage on your home or any 'real' property you own. Then the creditor does not care if you keep your word or not; his interests are protected. Well, as social mores in this country began to change during the 1970's and 1980's and as America's wealth began shifting around in new directions effectively eliminating what used to be called a 'middle class' it became more and more difficult for the conventional credit card issuers to do business. More and more applicants were coming to them with perfectly rotten credit reports, the cost of setting up accounts was increasing, and the large number of Americans on the move each year made for a land-office business for skip tracers and collection agencies, but did not enhance the bottom line at the banks with VISA/MC franchises. By about two years after the chain stores started their 'instant credit' programs, they were getting burned badly, and about the same time VISA/MC banks were trying to do a balancing act between reducing their standards somewhat while still maintaining a low ratio of bad debt. Then someone came up with the 'secured VISA/MC' scheme. Let's let the customer pay for our procedures by giving him a card with little or no available credit until *he* demonstrates his intentions. Some of the early players were like Bank of Hoven, in Hoven, SD. A tiny little place going nowhere anyway, they found they could get people to send them $300 to be held in escrow in exchange for a 'credit card' with the same amount of 'credit' available. The little blue plastic 'Bank of Hoven VISA Card' became quite common. Chain stores unwittingly would accept it as 'a good credit reference since it is a VISA card' and they wound up getting stung badly anywhere from one to six months or a year later when their new customer's account aged out and went to collection or write-off. ANYONE can get a secured VISA/MC card; I can name a half-dozen banks who deal in them exclusively. Hoven is still doing it, as is 'Cross Country Bank' which is based out somewhere, they are chartered in Delaware naturally where regulations are few to non-existent, but they work out of a credit card processing center in Clearwater, FL with a few other of the 'secured credit card' operations. So as life in these United States changed over the years, it became harder and harder for many people to get credit using the conventional requirements of years ago (even Amex has reduced its standards a lot), yet doing almost anything *without* a credit card became difficult or almost impossible. VISA/MC became more a type of 'plastic cash' serving a clearinghouse sort of function between consumers and their banks rather than any actual indication that the holder of the card had anything of value in life. So the secured credit card programs began to flourish; after all, it costs the VISA franchisee little or nothing and he makes money serving that 'clearinghouse' function for the increasing number of netters who want to purchase something on the Internet or who need a card in order to cash a check, etc. Today there are dozens of these programs operating, and to look at a VISA card you cannot tell if it is secured or unsecured -- if your business calls for knowing your customer is credit worthy -- unless you just happen to know the names of the various banks offering those programs. As to be expected, the secured credit-card people have found their way onto the internet, and prosper through advertising banners on sites where advertising is permitted. Now days, the secured side of the business is where the money is at, as VISA/MC rapidly change from instruments of credit into instruments for merely transacting business in a convenient way. One that I want to alert you about today is called Merrick Bank, of Salt Lake City, Utah. They are not alone, but they are prominent in the banner ads on the net these days. Their banner proclaims that they guarentee one hundred percent approval rates **on line** of anyone who applies. If you go to their web site, you do get this little form with merely THREE questions, i.e. are you over 18 years of age; do you have a job anywhere; do you have a checking account anywhere; but experiments have shown that you can answer all three of their 'qualifying questions' with the wrong answer and still be told 'congratuations, you have been approved' ... So let's get down to business and get that credit card issued. They want your name and SSN of course, which would be a reasonable request at first glance. Naturally your address, place of employment and other data is required in the online application which is taken after you have already been 'pre-qualified' with the bogus questions in front. Now with all this information already collected from you the applicant they give you the surprise message. It really should not be a surprise I guess, but this is how their program works: You will get your card alright, in a couple weeks, with a five hundred dollar credit limit but *the available credit already used up* in the form of a 'reservation fee' charged to your new VISA card by the company which is sponsoring this program. You cannot use the card at all until you have paid off (or substantially paid down) the existing 'balance' charged. If you do so, then you may use the card up to its available five hundred dollar limit. (What's the matter guys? Did you find out that most people who apply for 'instant approval' on secured VISA cards are unable to scrape together the five hundred dollars needed to open a non-interest bearing 'savings account' held in trust by yourselves, and now you have to loan them that money also in order to 'qualify' them?) Then of course the fine print goes on to say there are the usual high interest rates and special fees for being overlimit or not being on time with your payment, etc ... meaning for most poor people who obtain one of these VISA cards it will be a long time, if ever, before they get any real purchasing power with it. Cross Country Bank at least, gives *anyone who asks* a VISA card with a limit of two hundred dollars, a hundred of which has already been used for the 'enrollment fee' ... I guess they figure losing a hundred dollars on some people is still cheaper than getting bureau reports and more extensive processing done prior to issue on everyone. (Does anyone remember how years ago, VISA/MC card issuers used to actually send out confirming letters to the people named on your application, i.e. your employer, your closest relative not living with you, etc to verify what you said in your application? Dear employer, John Doe has applied for credit. How long has he worked there and what do you pay him? ... remember those days? ... no 'point scoring' or statistical analysis would do; they wanted answers to EVERYTHING in writing before you could get a credit card.) So you look over the fine print from Merrick Bank and you say to yourself that seems like sort of a crummy deal, but too late! They already have your checking account number and the bank name because you gave it to them earlier so guess what ... they put through an $89 'processing fee' as an automatic debit to your checking account, usually within a day or two. And if you do catch on at the last minute and hurry to tell your bank to stop payment -- itself at a cost of $25 or so -- then what does Merrick Bank do but wait a few days and submit the automatic debit a second time or third time as needed until it finally slips through and gets paid. I asked someone at the Clearwater, Florida processing center why they did not simply charge the $89 fee to the new VISA card account they were issuing ... her response was, 'Do you think we are a bunch of fools? We want to get some actual cash money out of this program ...' I was informed that anyone on the internet who feels they have been cheated or decieved in some way by this new 'VISA card for everyone, automatic approval guarenteed over the net' program could submit their complaint in writing to 'The Presidents Council' at a PO Box in Clearwater, no phone number available ... I told them maybe I could make a better suggestion: How about calling the attorney for Merrick Bank in Salt Lake City and following up with a fax telling the bank to keep their hands out of other people's money without permission. What is the bank's phone number, anyway? She gave me the number 800-260-8825 but I told her I would rather just have the regular number. Thinking a minute, she came up with 516-576-8796, but I told her that sure does not sound like a phone number in Salt Lake City to me ... she could offer nothing more except to say that 'The Presidents Council' had a fax number of 727-524-9180. In Salt Lake City, Merrick Bank was located on 801-685-7700. Attorney Howard Gee was not in his office when I called, but his secretary said that he definitly would be interested in hearing of complaints about the contractor who was operating the VISA program they started. A fax went out to Mr. Gee on 800-685-8800 a few minutes later, with a copy to 'The Presidents Council'. The lady I spoke with at the bank even went so far as to say I did not need to fax the 'people in Florida', '.. you will get a much faster response right from here ..' But I faxed them both with my concerns, and guess what! The next morning there was a credit of $89 placed in my account at First Chicago Bank. I told the lady in Florida (not the actual Merrick Bank people) that something should be written on the internet about their operation, and in a sort of snotty tone of voice she told me to go right ahead and do so ... so I told her I would. I wanted to keep my promise. Be alert to those 'guarenteed immediate approval for a VISA card over the net' banner ads you see at web sites especially if they are in behalf of Merrick Bank ... you will have a five hundred dollar charge on your new VISA account the first thing, and your checking account will be $89 lighter the next day. And of course, if someone else has your checking account number, they can apply for a card 'in your name' and then watch the mailbox and hijack it when it arrives a couple weeks later. You will still be the person out the $89 when the Merrick Bank automatic debit goes through. PAT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:32:49 -0700 From: Babu Mengelepouti Reply-To: dialtone@vcn.bc.ca Organization: US Secret Service Subject: GSM Interception Well, it is only a matter of time before any system gets cracked. And the first one to sell a device gets the biggest markup! Subject: GSM Cellular Phones Increasingly Unreliable From Intelligence Newsletter, 06/10/99 Over the past six months a roaring trade has sprung up on back-street markets for equipment to intercept cellular telephone calls that had once been reserved for government intelligence and law enforcement agencies. The risk that GSM networks are being broken into for espionage purposes with widely-available equipment and modest skills is now very real. Intelligence Newsletter has been able to identify web sites that sell interception equipment by mail-order. Elsewhere, components required to manufacture such devices are to be found in many electronics stores in Europe and the United States. The industry itself has pointed the way. We have obtained a leaflet from the British company G-Com Tech which provides a detailed rundown of the GSTA-1400 system. The firm describes the system, reserved for governments, as one of the best "official" devices to record GSM communications at a cost of between $245,000 and $327,000 depending on the model. Systems sold on the black market run along the same lines as such products, and sometimes simply copy them. The system consists invariably of a portable computer equipped with deciphering software connected to a GSM or fixed 2Mbits/second telephone. Tracking the target line with a clone of its SIM (Subscriber Identification Module), the system can usually decipher the signal in just 2.5 minutes. The breakthrough came in April, 1998 when two researchers from the University of Berkley in California demonstrated it was possible to clone a SIM card. David Wagner and Ian Goldberg, who both belong to the Internet Security Applications Authentification and Cryptography Group (ISAAC), carried out a successful series of attacks against the Comp128 algorithm. The latter forms the basis of algorithms created by the manufacturers of GSM, the A3 and A8, which encrypt information contained inside a SIM card. According to the American Smartcard Developers Association (SDA) the system developed by Wagner and Goldberg can turn out cloned cards that GSM operators can't distinguish from real ones. At the same time, the SDA identified a partial flaw in the symmetric-type A5 algorithm which protects data transmission between the operator and user. According to SDA director Marc Briceno, although A5 has a 64 bit key only 54 are actually used, probably to facilitate eavesdropping by an intelligence agency. Late last December in Berlin an experimental system devised by "private researchers" was presented to a conference of hackers belonging to the Chaos Computer Club (CCC). It took advantage of flaws in the A3,A5 and A8 algorithms to conduct interceptions. Since then a number of make-shift versions have made their way to the public, mainly through the Internet. According to a military intelligence specialist, the system aims initially to intercept a call by electromagnetic wave to record the authentification information each cellular phone sends to its operator when switched on. Next, the deciphering software allows the user to read the targeted line's SIM card. Subsequently a clone is made with a Smartcard Reader Writer, a smart-card manufacturing machine sold on the open market. Some illicit cloning systems even use special Smartcartd Reader Writers that can reproduce the 30 smart card standards that exist in the world and are used, for instance, to make bank cards. Once the SIM card has been cloned the system detects and monitors communications in real time without -- theoretically -- the operator or user knowing about it. The fact that encryption used in GSM is relatively easy to crack has obviously contributed to the upsurge in cloning. But electronics stores that sell devices that read and reproduce cards have also played a part in the rise of such systems. Some companies have sized up the danger that cloning represents to the market and are preparing new products. For one, the Schlumberger group's R&D division is currently working on making a more tamper-proof SIM card. ------------------------------ From: Carl E. Huth Subject: Questions on How Billing and Rating are Actually Done Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:10:59 -0400 I work for a group that works with rating and billing in the telco industry, and I am a bit lost in how everything works. Can anyone tell me exactly how rating is done? What are the rating tables used for? Most of all, how does this translate into a monthly bill? I am really confused by the 10 10 xxx features and how they are billed as well as 1-900 things. I am further confused by the local long distance charges and for lack of a better term long long distance charges. Is there a place that can unravel this mystery, or is there someone out there who knows it all? Thanks for your interest. Carl E. Huth TESC Camphill PA (717) 975-6137 carl.huth@eds.com ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 1999 16:47:17 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan (was Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage) Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA >> But you also don't always get service. I'm spending the summer in >> Orange County, NY, and ometimes I get five bar of signal, but when I >> try to place a call I get a Bell-Atlantic intercept that I need a >> credit card. > ... I'll bet dollars to donuts that what happens is, if they don't > have a roaming agreement with the carrier whose signal has got you, More likely somebody's just being spiteful. In Orange County, the A carrier is American Cellular (dba Cell One, of course), the B carrier is BAMS. In metro New York, the A carrier is AT&T, B is BAMS; they're intense arch-rivals. According to the Cellular Travel Guide, AT&T and BAMS have roaming agreements, and American Cellular has agreements with "all major system A companies" which would presumably include AT&T. Theory 1: BAMS is being annoying and trying to get you to switch. Theory 2: BAMS and/or American Cellular switch is programmed wrong. Try dialing *611 and see if they think that AT&T customers should be able to roam there. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: jcheah@my-deja.com Subject: Microwave Oven Interference Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:54:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Please visit www.jcheahtechtalk.com for the July issue covering microwave oven interference and pi/4 QPSK modulation. ------------------------------ From: Steve Howell Subject: Re: Now That I'm Paying For it, Where is it? (Number Portability) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:42:08 -0400 Organization: FILTERS, INC. Reply-To: showell@filtersinc.com I was told by my account rep. that it is being charged to allow you to take your telephone number with you to another provider if one is available. Yeah, just another tax. Kind of like the tax collected from us to subsidize rural access / school internet access. Something like tens of millions of dollars collected and very few thousand actually dispersed. ------------------------------ From: Howard Kaikow Subject: LD Carriers Question Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:03:48 -0400 Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Am I better off informing my local carrier (BA) that I do not want to have a designated primary long distance carrier? Recently, I've been using a 10 10 number for all LD calls. However, AT&T still bills me $1.93 per month on my account (which includes two phones). I get a separate bill from AT&T, not included in BA bills. Dunno what BA would add to my bill if I did not have a designated LD carrier? Any recommendations? Pointers to info at the FCC, AT&T or BA web sites? Please reply only to newsgroup. ------------------------------ From: rshockey@ix.netcom.NsSPaM.com (Richard Shockey) Subject: Bellheads vs Netheads Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:52:40 GMT Organization: Shockey Consulting LLC The following report out of Canada may be of interest to readers of this distinguished group. http://www.canniff.com/tdenton/netheads3.htm Its a very well thought out analysis of the fundamental differences in viewpoints and chalenges of Internet Telephony. Its worth your time to read. Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC 8045 Big Bend Blvd. Suite 110 St. Louis, MO 63119 Voice 314.918.9020 FAX 314.918.9015 Internet E-Mail/IFAX rshockey@ix.netcom.com eFAX 815.333.1237 ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #165 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jun 24 12:23:11 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA08148; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906241623.MAA08148@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #166 TELECOM Digest Thu, 24 Jun 99 12:23:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 166 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: IXC Notification of NPA Changes (David N Hunt) Re: IXC Notification of NPA Changes (Michael G. Koerner) Re: Now That I'm Paying For it, Where is it? (Number Portability) (D Hunt) Re: Now That I'm Paying For it, Where is it? 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:35:35 -0400 From: David N Hunt Subject: Re: IXC Notification of NPA Changes Organization: Mid-South Consulting Engineers, Inc. Phil Smiley wrote: > Whose responsibility is it to tell an LD Carrier that an area code is > splitting, overlaying etc. Does the local telco have any responsibility > in telling the IXCs? Any carrier, local telco (ILEC or CLEC) or wireless carrier, has to make changes to the national databases indicating what NPA /NXX codes are new or changing. The changes are then available to the inter- exchange carriers and other telcos via a report called the LERG (Local Exchange Routing Guide) which comes from TRA (Traffic Routing Administration). There are volumes explaining the procedures that every telco, wireless carrier should follow. Sometimes a code is missed by the Interexchange carrier, especially when the interval for a change is shorter than normal. I once received a call from a wireless carrier that our telco client had not input the new NXX code properly in their switch because the wireless carrier person was unable to complete test calls to the new code. After verifying that everything had been done properly in the telco switch, I made test calls over many long distance carriers. All but one of the test calls completed properly. I called the wireless carrier and suggested that they might want to have the long distance company they were owned by check their long distance switches. David N. Hunt, Executive Vice President - Business Development Mid-South Consulting Engineers, Inc. 3901 Rose Lake Drive, Charlotte, NC 28217 dnhunt@msceng.com, tel: 704/357-0004, fax: 704/357-0025 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I had an almost identical case several years ago. A new exchange was opened in Wisconsin in the 414 area code. One plus dialing it always failed. Ameritech would never put the call through. Even dialing it with a carrier access code first failed. If the call was placed on a 'direct line' of an IXC, such as dialing to AT&T's 800 number, *then* entering a pin and the desired number, the call would go through okay, ditto MCI or Sprint. But anytime that Ameritech examined the digits dialed first, the call would always be bounced. It took a couple months to get it corrected, and then it only got fixed because I was speaking with a lady at AT&T who is one of the rare breed which actually listens to customers, tries to under- stand the problem, and gets help as needed from others. After talking to her she promised I would get a call back from someone a few minutes later. I did get a call from a guy who described himself as 'someone at AT&T in the technical side of things'. I told him the situation, he put me on hold a couple minutes and came back to say that he had tried it himself and I was correct. I asked him where he was located and he said 'down in the St. Louis area ...' I asked him how he was able to test Ameritech switches from there and he said he 'had methods' of checking what he wanted, and that in fact Ameritech had an error in their tables and he would see to it that it was corrected. I told him good luck, that I had told Ameritech about it a few times and gotten nowhere. His response was very simply, 'they will do as I say ...' and indeed, later that day or the next morning, the call went through normally. He called me back later that day and asked if my call had gone through normally using one plus. I told him it had, and his response was 'thank you for your persistence. If you encounter this again from any local phone company just let me know ...' and he gave me a 618 number which would imply an Illinois suburb of St. Louis, MO, however the number was listed to 'Southwestern Bell Telephone Co' in St. Louis. His answer to that was that he 'worked for AT&T but his office was in a SWBT exchange building in one of the suburbs.' He got the job done, so I figured who cares where he works out of. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Michael G. Koerner Subject: Re: IXC Notification of NPA Changes Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:38:11 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com Phil Smiley wrote: > Whose responsibility is it to tell an LD Carrier that an area code is > splitting, overlaying etc. Does the local telco have any responsibility > in telling the IXCs? I believe that it is the carrier's own responsibility to learn that info. Most (if not all) subscribe to periodical 'TelCordia' documents that convey info on those, along with a boatload of other changes. These documents include the 'Local Exchange Routing Guide' (LERG), 'NPA/NXX Activity Guide' (NNAG), etc. Many of these come out monthly, with more frequent occasional updates as needed. Regards, Michael G. Koerner Appleton, WI ***NOTICE*** SPAMfilter in use, please remove ALL 'i's from the return address to reply. ***NOTICE*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:56:00 -0400 From: David N Hunt Subject: Re: Now That I'm Paying For it, Where is it? (Number Portability) Organization: Mid-South Consulting Engineers, Inc. Steve Howell wrote: > I was told by my account rep. that it is being charged to allow you > to take your telephone number with you to another provider if one is > available. > Yeah, just another tax. Kind of like the tax collected from us to > subsidize rural access / school internet access. Something like tens > of millions of dollars collected and very few thousand actually > dispersed. This is not a tax! When the FCC mandated Local Number Portability (LNP) to comply with the Telecommunications Act of 1996, many changes had to be made in the telephone network. New organizations (private companies) developed software to handle the database "look-up" of telephone numbers to determine which telco (ILEC OR CLEC) now served the person with that number. Changes in the switches were required to do the "look-ups". Rather than charge the new companies for the work required in the existing telephone network, the FCC issued an Order allowing all telephone companies to recover the costs associated with LNP from their subscribers over a period of five years (I believe). The money goes to the telephone company to pay for these new costs associated with LNP. One of the disadvantages of competition in the telephone network is that it costs more to do LNP than the way we used to route calls when we knew where the number was. LNP capability had to be placed in the switches in the largest metropolitan areas first, even if there is no competition yet. However, if you live in one of the large metro areas, you are probably calling numbers that have been "ported" to a new competitive local telco even if you don't have a new carrier that will serve you at your small business or residence. All telcos will eventually (very soon) have to have LNP capability in their switches. Without it, you will not be able to call friends and businesses that have changed telephone companies. This is the short version. I can do several hours on LNP. There are many thing on your bill that are "taxes" but this is not. It is the cost of having competitive local telephone service. If you think this is expensive, just wait until you want to be able to take your number with you when you move across the country. David N. Hunt, Executive Vice President - Business Development Mid-South Consulting Engineers, Inc. 3901 Rose Lake Drive, Charlotte, NC 28217 dnhunt@msceng.com, tel: 704/357-0004, fax: 704/357-0025 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: How, by the way, is this -- moving across the country -- going to work, David? Does anyone yet have any clue about how charging for the call will be done? Will the caller pay the long distance charges or the called party? How will anyone know what they are paying for? You mentioned you could do 'several hours on LNP' and I think most everyone here would be interested in your discussions if you would care to submit them to the group. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:24:26 -0500 From: Randy Hayes Subject: Re: Now That I'm Paying For it, Where is it? (Number Portability) someone@teleport.com wrote in message ... > Now that US Worst is charging us for the number portability database > (which Ross Perot's EDS is behind schedule on delivering, BTW), who > else can I contract with for local dial tone in the (503) Portland > Metro area (specifically, the area of the ATlantic exchange)? To the best of my knowledge, Ross Perot's "Perot Systems" was booted off the LNP project due to delays, etc. If the LNP database is still not ready across the country, it's Lockheed Martin (who had the other portion of LNP database responsibility) who now has the whole ball of wax ... In other cases, there have been hold-ups due to FCC inquiries into the LNP rates various LECs are trying to charge to recover their "costs" of implementing LNP (the FCC potentially requiring lower rates would not necessarily be a bad thing, now would it?). The rates vary widely around the country, as well as how the LECs intend to apply those rates ... Randy Hayes ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 1999 21:23:02 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: LD Carriers Question Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > Am I better off informing my local carrier (BA) that I do not want to > have a designated primary long distance carrier? > Recently, I've been using a 10 10 number for all LD calls. However, > AT&T still bills me $1.93 per month on my account (which includes two > phones). I get a separate bill from AT&T, not included in BA bills. > Dunno what BA would add to my bill if I did not have a designated LD > carrier? Less, probably, the line fee for a resi line is under a dollar around here. But my recommendation is to find a long distance carrier with decent rates and service and make them your dial-1 carrier. I don't know of any 101XXXX dialaround that's better for normal domestic calls than a reasonable dial-1. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: rfreeman@netaxs.com (Richard Freeman) Subject: Re: LD Carriers Question Date: 24 Jun 1999 13:41:51 GMT Organization: newsread.com ISP News Reading Service (http://www.newsread.com) On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:03:48 -0400, Howard Kaikow wrote: > Am I better off informing my local carrier (BA) that I do not want to > have a designated primary long distance carrier? > Dunno what BA would add to my bill if I did not have a designated LD > carrier? I made the same decision myself (live in Philly). Once ATT started adding the monthly fee (for the Federal wire-up-the-schools (or at least pay their phone bills) program). I make an average of about 5 cents a month of long distance calls. Once I dropped them, I started getting a 50-some cent charge from BA for not having a presubscribed line. They just announced that this is going to increase to just over a dollar, but it is still cheaper than having the line PIC'd ... I've heard of at least a few other people who dropped their long distance carriers after the monthly fees started kicking in -- it makes no sense to have one when your total monthly bill is usually on the order of $13 (when is anybody home to make calls these days anyway?) :) Hope this helps -- granted, the savings aren't as big in light of the 50 cent rate hike, but once ATT starts going to a larger minimum call fee it will definately be worth it for low-volume callers. And, it will at least save about 80 cents for high-volume callers (in exchange for having to dial 1010 codes all the time). Richard T. Freeman - finger for pgp key 3D CB AF BD FF E8 0B 10 4E 09 27 00 8D 27 E1 93 http://www.netaxs.com/~rfreeman - ftp.netaxs.com/people/rfreeman ------------------------------ Reply-To: D.E. 'Omar' Jennings From: D.E. 'Omar' Jennings Subject: Reliability of Microwave vs Fibre Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:07:42 -0400 J.F. Mezei writes: > This is what I was told. I had never heard that microwave links were > susceptible to sunspots etc. Is that really the case? Microwave fading occurs due to a variety of atmospheric conditions (not sun spots). > Or are these links "weak" to begin with and thus susceptible, compared > to "backbone" links using stronger towers etc ? Yes these links must be weak ... Microwave links can be made more reliable once the specific fading mechanism is known. Power, Dish size, Space diversity, Frequency diversity are among the means of makeing a path more reliable. A chart recording of signal levels can be made to determine the fading machanism and corrective actions taken. > Also, I noticed that many of the remote towers used dishes made of > wire/mesh as opposed to a full metal dish. Does this make a difference? The mesh dishes capture the wave properly, the size of the mesh is based on the frequency (Wavelength). Mesh dishes have a lower wind loading coefficient. I would be glad to help you solve these problems; any specific questions let me know. D.E. 'Omar' Jennings WFI Project Manager - National Desk: 703.375.7724, - Pager: 888.472.6955 ------------------------------ From: Eli Mantel Subject: Re: 10-10-220 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:37:03 GMT Dave Stott (dstott@2help.com) wrote: > They take turns calling and since they are (each) spending somewhere > between $75 and $100 per month on this long-distance relationship, > they find it quite useful to do the 10-cent "are you home" > first-minute call, then call back on the 20-minute-for-99-cent > carrier. The phone rings about half a ring every 20 minutes after that > for about the next hour or two. > I admire their resourcefulness. They might do well with Qwest's nickel a minute a minute program with a $14.95 monthly fee. All their state-to-state calls would be 5 cents a minute regardless of length, and they would save themselves the hassle of interrupting their conversation every 20 minutes. Another possibility would be Sprint's "Unlimited Weekends" program, which for $25 a month, provides you NOT unlimited calling, but 1000 minutes of weekend calling, which works out to 2.5 cents a minute for the first 1000 weekend minutes, and 5 cents a minute for additional weekend minutes. There are also some prepaid calling cards that purportedly charge 3.9 cents a minute, with a per-call surcharge of 39 cents. This beats the 101-0220 "deal", even if you break it up into calls that are exactly 20 minutes long, once your calls are at least 37 minutes long. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 1999 23:14:57 EDT From: Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) Reply-To: Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) Subject: Re: 911 Locator Regulations for PBXs > And I ask again: without hearing the voice on the phone as it > describes its emergency, intervention needed now, situation, how do > you know who among your staff is best suited to respond? I am sure > 911 does not call you back to say the caller reported smelling smoke > somewhere, or that a suspicious man was loitering somewhere. In New Hampshire, E-911 calls are routed directly to the PSAP where E-911 dispatchers answer the calls and simultaneously activate a ringdown line to the appropriate local emergency dispatch center. In Dartmouth College's case, that is the local municipal police/fire dispatch center. In some parts of the state, the actual call is patched through to the local dispatch center as well. In our area, that capability is not yet in place. The E-911 dispatcher conveys the location and nature of the emergency to the local dispatcher who then dispatches the appropriate responders (fire, police, EMS or all of these). This local dispatcher simultaneously activates another ringdown to the College's Safety & Security dispatch office, advising the S&S dispatcher of the location and nature of the emergency along with information about what emergency personnel have been dispatched. A separate, dedicated computer monitors our PBX's SMDR stream and displays the originating number, street address, building location and room number for any call placed to 911. This alerts S&S personnel to the presence of a 911 call and serves as a cross-check for the information given to them verbally by the local emergency dispatch center. The only entity who actually hears the emergency call is the E-911 dispatcher. Local dispatch and College security personnel receive all pertinent details of the call, giving them all the information they need in order to dispatch the appropriate resources to the scene. The concern over privacy issues is the result of expressed opinions, both individual and legal, not merely of conjecture. It is a serious matter not easily resolved by simply saying "If you have to call 911, it is automatically everyone's business." Many medical conditions, sexual assualts and other legitimate emergency situations are certainly not the public's business. These people are legitimately requesting immediate assistance. They are not yelling "Fire!" Charlie Wilber Dartmouth College ------------------------------ From: ttoews@telusplanet.net (Tony Toews) Subject: Re: How is Roaming in Montana? Organization: Me, organized? Not a chance. Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:18:47 GMT jerome@supernet.ab.ca (Jerome Yuzyk) wrote: > With all the discussion of the (lack of) quality cell coverage in the > US, I am wondering about a future trip from Alberta to Montana, > driving south to Big Sky, near Yellowstone via Great Falls, Helena and > Butte. I have an analog Motorola 650e*. This is the first time I've > had a cell in the US. What should I expect for coverage and > reception? One thing I've heard of from a trucker is to turn on your cell phone only if required and to use payphones if at all reasonable. If, OTOH, you're staying in one cell phone providers network then you might be fine. Apparently what happens is that roamers can get dinged a $3 or $5 roaming charge each time they hit a new area. So one three or four day trip from Alberta to Texas, where he left the phone on, he got hit with $100 worth of roaming charges. Tony Toews, Independent Computer Consultant Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm VolStar http://www.volstar.com Manage hundreds or thousands of volunteers for special events. ------------------------------ From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:57:27 PST Organization: Shadownet Jim Van Nuland writes: > My area code 408 (San Jose, Calif) is getting an overlay soon, and > we'll all be dialing many digits. > I understand why I'll need to dial the new (overlay) code when > calling a number in that area, but why the need to dial my own area > code when *not* calling out of it? Is this not exactly analogous to > calling (say) to another state? > Seems to me that the same trigger (the 1-) would distinguish between > my own (no 1-) and the other (1-xxx) area. So why is it mandatory? Well, for one thing, you can dial an overlay number *without* a leading 1-. The big thing is this: How are you going to know which of the two area codes the phone you are *using* is in? If it's your own personal phone, maybe. But for any other phone you'd have to *look*. And a given switch may be handling exchanges in *both* area codes. Which makes the programming a real problem, because it'd have to use different dial decoding rules based *solely* on the line ID, which is based on the wire pair, *not* the assigned telephone number. For that matter, If I get a distinctive ring number added to my existing number, they could be in *different* area codes. So which one is "the" area code for the number? There are also other issues involving reserved exchanges and adjacent area codes, but that gets a bit technical. Suffice it to say that once an overlay goes in, you are stuck with 10-digit dialing for local calls. Also, in not that many years, even *non*-overlay areas may have to switch to 10-digit local dialing. Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: Do Cellular Phones Cause Cancer? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:29:32 -0400 Afshin David Youssefyeh wrote: > Having read one more story about cellular phones causing brain tumors: > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20321.html In my opinion, any article which does not show differences between the old analog and newer digital telephones (and perhaps even differences between GSM and the US digital protocols) should not be taken too seriously. Digital telephones consume heaps less power and are smart enough not to transmit anything during moments of silence, as well, their "hello I am here" messages are transitted quite differently. GSM phones are also smart enough to lower the power of the phone when it is near an antenna. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:50:02 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft to Require Web Site Privacy WASHINGTON (AP) - The world's biggest advertiser on the Internet, Microsoft, will require the hundreds of Web sites where it buys ads to publish adequate assurances to protect the privacy of consumers. Microsoft, which spent more than $34 million last year on Internet advertising, said it will review privacy statements at those sites to ensure they meet guidelines developed by federal regulators. Analysts estimate companies together spent about $2 billion last year on Web ads. http://www.usatoday.com/money/mds026.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:12:42 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn Suppose you're a shapely fitness model/law student whose campaign for elected office is jeopardized when thousands of bogus pictures of you start popping up on the Internet? Who you gonna call? Themis Klarides called Alyssa Milano's mother, Lin. http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/dish/990617a.asp ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #166 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jun 24 20:51:03 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA28236; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:51:03 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906250051.UAA28236@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #167 TELECOM Digest Thu, 24 Jun 99 20:51:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 167 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Three Held in Phone Fraud (Tad Cook) Who Really Needs a Cell Phone on the Amazon? (Monty Solomon) News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Carl Moore) Re: To our MCI Mail Readers, Welcome Back (Onenetnut) Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan (was Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage) (Bob Keller) Re: Pager at U.S. Open Golf Tournament (Randy Hayes) Re: Pager at the U.S. Open Golf Tournament (Tony Pelliccio) Re: "Name That Domain" Contest (Ron Walter) Re: Reliability of Microwave vs Fibre (J.F. Mezei) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (Ed Ellers) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (J.F. Mezei) Seeking Database For Area Codes in More Than One Time Zone (FACSman) Re: LD Carriers Question (Howard Kaikow) 9-1-1 Info (was Re: 911 Locator Regulations for PBXs) (Jennifer Case) Chicago Address Question (Carl Moore) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Three Held in Phone Fraud Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:18:42 PDT From: tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook) Three held in phone fraud - S.J. man puts cops on trail By Bill Romano Mercury News Staff Writer When a deal sounds too good to be true, it usually is. That's what James Fitzgerald of San Jose figured when he picked up the phone earlier this month to learn he was the "lucky winner" of a $450,000 sweepstakes. The 61-year-old retired military police officer promptly informed San Jose police of his suspicions, and the result was the arrest June 12 of three members of a telemarketing-fraud scheme called the Winner's Circle -- an alleged criminal organization authorities say has fleeced millions of dollars from the elderly around the country in recent years. Fitzgerald said Wednesday he recognized immediately that the phone pitch was a fraud. Solicitors actually called him twice, and police credited his alertness in stringing the callers along with helping them crack the case. "This bunch must be the world's dumbest criminals," Fitzgerald said. Armed with warrants, investigators uncovered one of the group's telephone boiler-room operations in a Fresno motel, where they arrested 31-year-old Reginald Lowe. Two suspected confederates, Cloyd Marshall, 28, and Teresa Marshall, 37, were nabbed earlier. The three are charged with grand theft, financial elder abuse and fraud. In Lowe's room, police recovered numerous letters that victims had enclosed with money, in addition to wire receipts and phone records that linked other victims directly to the suspects, said San Jose fraud investigator Mark Hawke. A fourth person has been identified as a suspect but remains at large. Police did not disclose the arrests until Wednesday because they still were trying to find possible victims and suspects and didn't want to jeopardize the investigation. Lowe is under federal indictment for similar alleged scams in Nevada, Arkansas, Washington and California. The ring, consisting of various "cells" of six or seven persons each, has been operating out of Las Vegas for about seven years, police believe. $1.3 million collected The scheme has netted the ring at least $1.3 million. Several million more dollars from victims are unaccounted for, Hawke said. It was unclear Wednesday how many potential victims were from California or the Bay Area. With Fitzgerald's cooperation, San Jose police began moving on the group in recent weeks after he reported the call to police. Like other recipients, the caller told Fitzgerald that he would first have to send the company money as a "refundable tax deposit" against his winnings. The caller explained that Winner's Circle had Internal Revenue Service agents working directly with the firm for that purpose. Hawke said that a Winner's Circle representative instructed Fitzgerald to send a $3,500 money order to a Western Union office in Clovis, near Fresno. Under the guise of Fitzgerald, police sent the money order. After a man showed up to collect it, a subsequent investigation led police to Lowe and the other suspects. Santa Clara County District Attorney's Office and fraud investigators said such scams are not uncommon. "There are literally hundreds of victims of this kind every day. We could not possibly follow up on every single lead," Hawke said. "And, leads often go nowhere because suspects refuse to provide call-back numbers or other information that can be used to identify them." The isolated elderly are particularly vulnerable because they usually lack family or friends on whom they can rely for advice. Didn't fall for scam "We were lucky in this case to have Mr. Fitzgerald, who did not fall for the scam and had the wherewithal to contact the police department," Hawke said. Assistant District Attorney Al Weger, head of the Santa Clara County's consumer-protection unit, offered this advice: "Don't ever, ever, ever send money to someone who says you've won a prize. If you've legitimately won a prize, they'll send it to you. It smacks immediately of fraud when you're told you have to send them something to collect it." Anyone who has been victimized by the Winner's Circle is asked to call Hawke at the San Jose Police Fraud Unit, (408) 277-4521. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:44:38 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Who Really Needs a Cell Phone on the Amazon? http://thestandard.com/articles/mediagrok_display/0,1185,5256,00.html Iridium, the Motorola-led consortium that promises wireless phone service anywhere on the globe, thought jet-setting execs would jump at the chance to ensure connectivity for their treks upriver or along the Silk Route. But it turned out the suits weren't willing to shell out $3,000 to stay in touch on the road less travelled. Their worn path includes Kuala Lumpur and London's M5 ring road, as well as the drive from Newark Airport to midtown Manhattan, but so far their cell phones are doing the job. So what's Iridium's Plan B? Wired's Joanna Glasner says it will target tough guys. Think Will Steger or the guy Bruce Willis played in "Armageddon": roughnecks on oil derricks or the disaster-relief crowd. Maybe the next Jane Goodall. Iridium's CFO quit in March and its CEO quit in April after the failure of Plan A became apparent. A Reuters story in Tuesday's New York Times explained that although Iridium would take an even bigger hit to offer affordable rates to its blue-collar globetrotters ($2.99 per minute, anywhere on the planet), doing so would help "load the customers and see the usage we need to make this business a financial success." Iridium Goes Industrial http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/20331.html Telecommunications Price Cuts by Iridium (Reuters) http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/06/biztech/articles/22iridium.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:49:36 EDT From: Carl Moore Subject: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas I am hearing through Philadelphia news media that new prohibition against use of cell phones at gas-station pumps is being posted, at least at Exxon company-owned stations. At least one of those sources says some foreign countries have such a prohibition. ------------------------------ From: onenetnut@nospam.hotmail.com (Onenetnut) Subject: Re: To our MCI Mail Readers, Welcome Back Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:01:35 GMT On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:23 EDT, Hugh Pritchard wrote: >> Some time ago, MCI Mail decided to block TELECOM Digest from delivery >> to mcimail.com sites thinking that it was 'spam'. It was explained to >> me by someone at wcom.com at 'one of our operators thought it was spam >> and put a block on the Digest which has now been removed.' > Even before WorldCom bought MCI, internal users of MCI Mail (domain name > MCIMail.com) were being urged to use the newer, POP3-based service > called Innermail, which had a domain name of MCI.com. A few months > ago, someone decided that "MCI.com" just didn't reflect the true nature > of MCI WorldCom, so the Innermail domain name was changed to WCom.com. Yes, but NON-MCI employee's, or regular uses of MCI Mail (there are still a few of them out there), are still using the service. Friends and Family mail is still out there under the @mcimail.com domain name. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:27:11 -0400 From: Bob Keller Subject: Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan (was Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage) In TELECOM Digest V19 #165, John R. Levine wrote: > According to the Cellular Travel Guide, AT&T and BAMS have roaming > agreements, and American Cellular has agreements with "all major > system A companies" which would presumably include AT&T. But that would cover an American Cellular customer when it traveled into an AT&T Block A *cellular* area, and (since presumably the roaming agreements are reciprocal) vice versa. But the AT&T Digital One Rate plan is not provided by a *cellular* carrier (Block A or otherwise) -- it is a PCS service. I know from experience that, with respect to its cellular service, BAMS apparently has a roaming agreements with almost all other cellular carriers. On the BAMS one-rate plan, I have not yet been hit with any roaming charges regardless of where I've gone and regardless of whether I've connected via a Block A or a Block B system. I've also never been diverted to an operator -- the roaming has always been automatic. (I am occasionally diverted to a fraud verification system for my first call in a new area, but that's it.) But for the *PCS* services, e.g., AT&T's One-Rate plan, to work automatically when you are in an area where you drop back to cellular because a PCS signal is not available for one reason or another, would require roaming agreements between *cellular* and *PCS* carriers. I'm just not sure how ubiquitous such inter-service roaming agreements are at this time. Bob Keller (www.his.com/~rjk) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:36:37 -0500 From: Randy Hayes Subject: Pager at U.S. Open Golf Tournament Someone wrote: > ... but heard (as I had suggested in THIS forum earlier) that it was > OK in vibrator mode only. I have had libraries, church services, > theater events, etc. to consider as well, so I have commonly used > vibrator mode anyway. At my previous employer (large hospital), we installed a new paging system, which I believe currently serves 3,000 pagers. When one of our staff felt safe in carrying his pager (on vibrate) into a theatre to enjoy a play, imagine his surprise when the audible alert sounded in the middle of the play! We found the default programming of the system utilized audible alerts for "emergency" pages, no matter what the pager mode was set to! Obviously, we changed that programming immediately! Details, details, details ... Randy Hayes ------------------------------ From: nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio) Subject: Re: Pager at the U.S. Open Golf Tournament Organization: Providence Network Partners Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:27:59 GMT In article , cmoore@ARL.MIL says: > I have been hearing the word "beeper" regarding what Phil Mikkelsen > (sp) was carrying when he played the just-concluded U.S. Open (golf) > in North Carolina. (He lost, and made it back to Arizona on time for > his wife giving birth to a daughter yesterday, Monday 21 June.) I take > it he used vibrator mode only! > I have seen cell-phone prohibitions posted for the LPGA McDonald's > tournament in Wilmingon, Delaware, and also for the arts center there > on South Madison Street (I was in the latter on Sunday looking at the > Meiji Japanese exhibit) -- but neither had a note posted about pagers! > I was referred back to the cloakroom check at the arts center when I > mentioned that I had a pager, but heard (as I had suggested in THIS > forum earlier) that it was OK in vibrator mode only. I have had > libraries, church services, theater events, etc. to consider as well, > so I have commonly used vibrator mode anyway. This is what really frosts me about cellular phone manufacturers and carriers. Why is it that you have to pay oodles of money to get a cellphone that vibrates vs. the annoying ring most of them have? And why is it that the carrier and manufacturers can't incorporate a "one moment" key on them so that those who really need to have their cellphone with them can excuse themselves to a private area and the call will be held. == Tony Pelliccio, KD1S formerly KD1NR == Trustee WE1RD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:59:46 -0500 From: Ron Walter Organization: Capitol City Telephone, Inc. Subject: Re: "Name That Domain" Contest >> It's not cybersquatting ... it's not illegal, immoral, or fattening, >> and it could be worth a big prize! All you have to do is guess the >> new corporate name that Bell Atlantic will be adopting if/when they >> merge with GTE. Now that you've brought up name changes and mergers, I'm almost hoping Qwest pulls off their attempted purchase of Frontier and US West. Since I live near US West territory, I don't want to go through a dramatic name change and would prefer it become something like US Qwest. ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: Reliability of Microwave vs Fibre Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:47:11 -0400 Terry Kennedy wrote: > Were the rural stations you saw self-powered (for example, solar) or > was there a utility grid in place? If they're self-powered, that would > explain the low-power operation. Some were utility (well, off the community's generator). Some were solar. The line I was thinking about is the one which starts at Alice Springs and goes west all the way to Warburton in Western Australia (about 800km). But the other case, was a mere 5km hop from a fiber repeater in the Stuart Highway to the Aileron roadhouse (about 130km north of Alice). That MW hop was deemed unreliable and is being replaced with fiber to the roadhouse (roadhouse is a restaurant/bar/petrol station/caravan park combo). I would have though that a 5km link would not be a problem. Telstra is supposedly spending a million bucks for that single customer. The fiber backbone in outback australia is mostly solar powered (except when the repeater is near a community). But these repeaters are more "developped" then the rural microwave links. (larger solar panels and larger banks of batteries from what i was told). > if chosen properly. The mesh is used for wind/snow/etc. resistance. Had not thought of that. Makes sense. (Although there is rarely any snow in the middle of Australia). > Digging up the ground for fiber is a one-time expense (modulo > repairs from errant backhoes), but you can put *vastly* more data over > fiber. I was told that in Australia's outback, they only put it 6 inches below ground except in crossing rivers where it is put a few feet below the ground level for those rare times when there is water in the river. ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:50:35 -0400 J.F. Mezei (jfmezei@videotron.ca) wrote: > The rest of the world was already well into GSM while North America was > still rolling out AMPS analog services. Who was ahead of whom?????" Actually, you and Thor Simon are both partly right -- AMPS went into commercial service in Chicago and Washington in 1983 after a few years of tests in those cities, but the rollout did take over a decade to reach the present state, partly because the FCC didn't license cellular systems in rural service areas until several years after the licenses had been issued for the metro areas. IIRC, NTT in Japan had its own analog cellular system that entered commercial service in 1979. ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:52:10 -0400 Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: >> The rest of the world was already well into GSM while North America >> was still rolling out AMPS analog services. Who was ahead of whom????? > Bzzzt. Thank you for playing. AMPS was designed and first built in > the *1970s*. AMPS is old news. Countries such as Australia are already reducing their AMPS network capacity because their GSM networks have replaced them in many areas. Remember that North America was very late in the game in adopting digital telephony. There were a few attempts with D-amps but they failed because the vocoders were too shabby. AMPS is simply not workable anymore because it has too small system capacity. GSM is to AMPS what EMAIL is to TELEX. ------------------------------ From: ryoung@airmail.net Subject: Seeking Database For Area Codes in More Than One Time Zone Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:28:02 GMT Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Any ideas where to look? Willing to purchase if its the right product\subscribe for automatic updates. Thanx - FACSman ------------------------------ From: Howard Kaikow Subject: Re: LD Carriers Question Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:24:17 -0400 Organization: MV Communications, Inc. I've been using Lucky Dog (which is owned by AT&T). Presently, I receive a separate bill from AT&T. I have two phones on one bill and am billed 1.93 each month, tho earlier this year, they did not bill me for a month or so, I know not why. Since I've only been using 1010 345 for the past several months, I see no reason to pay any carrier a minimum. Please reply only to newsgroup. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:28:39 -0400 From: Jennifer Case Reply-To: Subject: 9-1-1 Info (was Re: 911 Locator Regulations for PBXs) > We have recommended that a consortium of interested parties who are > willing to share ideas and input re E-911 be convened. If you are > intested in joining this forum, pls contact me via email at > aolbur@ccscnet.com. > Allan M. Olbur You might want to try: www.nena9-1-1.org The National Emergency Number Association addresses practically everything related to 9-1-1, including telecom issues like LNP, Wireless, Y2K, and so on. Jennifer Case GTE Spec-Systems Analyst E911 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:55:14 EDT From: Carl Moore Subject: Information Wanted on Chicago Address On (I believe) Court TV, there has just been a Crime Stories episode this week of the killing of the eight student nurses in July 1966 (that's the case where Corazon Amurao, from the Philippines, became star witness against Richard Speck). I picked up an address for the scene; it's 2319 E. 100th Street, and I find this to be in 60617 zipcode. Just now, I also have this reference to State Line Road, part of which is also in 60617: S. State Line Rd.; even only; Chicago 10600-11198 in 60617, and 13900-13998 in 60633 The reference to State Line Road suggests 60617 hits the Indiana border, and I also heard there was (at least in July 1966) a longshoremen hiring hall near the crime scene (see first paragraph), so 60617 is toward Lake Michigan? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: 2319 East 100 Street is a group of townhouses which belong to the nearby hospital, and are used as staff residences. That is the location where the eight student nurses were murdered by Richard ("if they knew how much fun I was having here, they would never have put me in prison") Speck in 1966. It is just a few blocks west of Lake Michigan, which at that point has begun to curve in a southeastern direction toward Indiana. The state line between Indiana and Illinois (thus, between Whiting in Indiana and Chicago, in Illinois meets the shore of Lake Michigan at 106th Street, where three streets meet. Indianapolis Boulevard runs northwest/southeast along the lake shore. 106th Street runs straight east and west, it is about the 3200 block east (using Chicago numbers) at that point. State Line Avenue runs straight north and south from the intersection of the other two. In Chicago, 'even' street numbers are on the west and north sides of streets while 'odd' numbers are on the south and east sides. There is no east side of State Line Avenue for the purposes of your street guide, thus the reference to 'even only'. The west side of State Line Avenue would take numbers using the Whiting system, but it is a moot point, since the whole area is heavily industrial and are no individual properties on the east side of the street at that point. On the shore of Lake Michigan at the point that 106/Indianapolis/ State Line Avenue merge sits the Commonwealth Edison Company's 'State Line Generating Station', a huge, old-fashioned coal-burning, steam-generating place. The intense steam pressure causes turbines to spin which generate electricity for much of the south side of Chicago. Mountains of coal are piled up around one side of the building; the plant receives deliveries of coal daily from the mines in West Virginia and Pennsylvania to the extent of about 60-80 railroad coal cars daily. The plant runs the distance of about a city block; it is a huge, gothic-like structure, almost midievel in appearance, a very high, vaulted ceiling in the interior. About half of the building is in Illinois while the other half is in Indiana. The obligatory telecom note here is that when I was a child 11-12 years old, the facility had two telephone numbers: The Chicago number, which was dialable, was SOUth Chicago-8-7000; the Whiting number, which was still served manually by operators was 'Whiting 6' ... and after Whiting converted to dial service it became 219-659-0006 ... In those times, the middle 1950's, my friends and I would play behind State Line Generator; we always enjoyed watching the coal trains coming in every day. Between the back side of the generator plant and the actual shore of the lake are some dozen railroad tracks which serve three or four different railroads which serve not only that plant but also serve (in order, going east) the Amaizo Corn Products Factory, the Lever Brothers Factory, the Amoco Oil Refinery, and eventually the United States Steel 'Gary Works'. As I said, it is a heavily industrialized area. The Longshore Mans Union Hiring Hall that you mentioned is a few blocks west of there, on the Chicago side. At 110th Street/Calumet Avenue/Indianapolis Blvd. on the Indiana side the railroad crossing with 13 tracks belonging to the four railroads is sufficiently complex that the warning signals and gates across the road were manually operated by crossing guards who (we kids would notice) always sat in a 'little house on stilts up in the air above the crossing' where they could see in all directions. Now and again, one of them would reach over and flip a switch and then the red flashing lights at street level, the up and down arms would go down and block the street and the bells would start ringing. Another person would go out in the center of the intersection with a sign that he would hold up saying for traffic to go one direction or another. Probably forty or fifty trains each day crossed that intersection some of which were very slow moving 60-80 car coal trains for Edison pulled by a couple of diesel locomotives; they would take upwards of 15-20 minutes to clear the intersection while other trains would go barreling through at 60 miles an hour and the gates would only be down a few seconds. The New York Central and the Pennsylvania Railroads were still operating their passenger service in those days, and a block or two east of that crossing was the Whiting railroad depot, where passengers would board the trains going to New York. As kids, we would sit and talk to the crossing guard in the little house and thought it was very funny to see how congested the traffic would get when the gates were down for twenty minutes only to come up for all of thirty seconds and then go down again for another train, or sometimes two trains at once going in opposite directions through that crossing. Sometimes not even thirty seconds would pass; he would flip the switch to raise the gates, and when the gates had gone up but the flashing lights and bells had not yet stopped, his radio would say another train was a short distance away and the gates would upon reaching the upright position immediatly start back down again. And the motorists would drag-race down Indianapolis Blvd. to try and beat the trains. Train coming from the east at 60 mph. and gates just now going down at 110th? Then let's drive 80 mph. and see if we can cross the tracks at 104th on the Illinois side before the gates start going down over there as well. Get to 104th and .... whoops! the gates were already down there because a train was coming from the other direction. And that, Carl, was/is 106th and State Line Avenue. This writer and his friends at age 11-12 thought it was great fun to watch the coal cars getting lifted by the automatic conveyor, literally lifted off the track, turned over on their side in the air and all the coal spilling out into the deep pits below which fed Edison's furnaces inside the big gothic cathedral-like building next to the railroad tracks and the huge piles of coal around it. Then the machine would sit the railroad car upright on the track again, push it out of the way and the next car full of coal would be moved into place for the process to begin again. Later, all the empty coal cars were taken back to West Virginia where they would be filled again with coal and brought back time and again for the same process to be repeated. The sky was always grey. Rarely did you see bright sunshine except after it had rained heavily. But it was fun to be there when it rained also. We had a little 'secret clubhouse' (actually just an old broken up shack that sat next to the railroad tracks) where we would stay out of the rain but be able to watch the lightning. The generating plant was quite well grounded as you might expect, and a large pole/rod on one side of the building seemed to attract lightning. So we would sit in our clubhouse looking at forbidden books and periodically bolts of lightning would strike that pole a hundred yards away and in the darkness the old gothic building looked sort of like an ancient castle when flashes of lightning would brighten up the area for a couple seconds. I remember where I was when I heard about Speck. In the Lawson YMCA having lunch, I sat down with a friend of mine and the first thing he said was 'did you see the paper yet today?' with a disgusted look on his face. And he told me that about 6:00 AM that morning, the one surviving nurse had escaped and brought police to the house on East 100th Street where the bodies were all found. It was in the {Chicago Tribune} headlines for several days. It was all very gruesome. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #167 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Jun 25 20:48:13 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA00255; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:48:13 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906260048.UAA00255@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #168 TELECOM Digest Fri, 25 Jun 99 20:48:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 168 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Tribute to the Telephone - New Archives Exhibit (TELECOM Digest Editor) The Dark sSde of Online Shopping (Monty Solomon) Rio Sings Toll-Free Calling Tune (Monty Solomon) CDMA vs. TDMA vs. "Digital Cell"? (Michael David Jones) Does Data Traffic Exceed Voice? (Ian Angus) Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? (Linc Madison) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (David Clayton) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Arthur Ross) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Withheld Adrian) Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? (Alan Boritz) Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan (Alan Boritz) Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan (was Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage) (Arthur Ross) Who Invented the Telephone? With Microsoft Encarta, it Depends (J. Decker) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 765 Junction City, KS 66441-0765 Phone: 415-520-9905 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe/unsubscribe: subscriptions@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. URL information: http://telecom-digest.org Anonymous FTP: hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives (or use our mirror site: ftp.epix.net/pub/telecom-archives) Email <==> FTP: telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org Send a simple, one line note to that automated address for a help file on how to use the automatic retrieval system for archives files. You can get desired files in email. ************************************************************************* * TELECOM Digest is partially funded by a grant from the * * International Telecommunication Union (ITU) in Geneva, Switzerland * * under the aegis of its Telecom Information Exchange Services (TIES) * * project. Views expressed herein should not be construed as represent-* * ing views of the ITU. * ************************************************************************* In addition, a gift from Mike Sandman, Chicago's Telecom Expert has enabled me to replace some obsolete computer equipment and enter the 21st century sort of on schedule. His mail order telephone parts/supplies service based in the Chicago area has been widely recognized by Digest readers as a reliable and very inexpensive source of telecom-related equipment. Please request a free catalog today at http://www.sandman.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help is important and appreciated. A suggested donation of twenty dollars per year per reader is considered appropriate. See our address above. Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:13:33 EDT From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Tribute to the Telephone - New Archives Exhibit I am very pleased and proud to announce a new, very major addition to telecom-digest.org to you today. ** TRIBUTE TO THE TELEPHONE ** is a new, permanent exhibit at this site, which was created, and is maintained by David Massey, who can be reached via email at dmassey@telecom-digest.org if you wish to write him. ** TRIBUTE TO THE TELEPHONE ** consists of more than one hundred pages of telephone-related history, ranging from the earliest days in the 1870's through the demise of the 'Bell System' in 1983. In addition to the hundred-plus pages of material to read -- many of which are very lengthy files -- there are more than four hundred pictures which accomp- any the text. The exhibit includes many 'Bell System' documents from the past which have been scanned in for display on your screen. Pictures include inside looks at telephone central offices of the past; they include a few dozen different telephone instruments in common use over the past century; they include pictures of Alex Bell, Tom Watson and others. A large section is devoted to pay phones; Princess phones and other things. ** TRIBUTE TO THE TELEPHONE ** includes schematics that have been scanned in for your viewing. It includes a very detailed history of AT&T written by its former chairman at the time of divestiture, Charles Brown. It includes a very detailed history of Western Electric, Bell of Canada and other telephone companies. It includes numerous links to other telephone-related sites including its 'sister site' also run by David Massey known as 'Tribute to the Bell System'. ** TRIBUTE TO THE TELEPHONE ** includes human interest stories, and it includes numerous sound files (.wav files) of various sorts including ringing tones, dial tones, busy signals, intercept messages, and more. This exhibit consists of several years of work by David Massey in the process of collecting the things on display, and the cooperation of several people who loaned texts and images to him for the exhibit. David Massey, a resident of the Atlanta, GA area has spent years in putting all this together. I have spent a great deal of time over the past two weeks doing some work editing and arranging it for use here. When David expressed to me his inability to continue giving 'Tribute' the amount of time and attention it needs on a regular basis, and his wish to place it on a non-commercial site rather than one of the various commercial web-sites available, I immediatly offered to make time in my own schedule to care for it. Allow yourself *plenty of time* to review http://telecom-digest.org/tribute since it is NOT a small exhibit. Like so many museums, which is really the best way to describe this major addition to the site, you can easily spend most a day going through it, looking at the pictures and reading the text if you have any interest at all in telephony as it evolved over the century that the Bell System was our nation's phone service provider. Perhaps you will want to review some of the exhibit each day for several days; and for your reading convenience, the larger text files are also available in .doc or .zip formats for downloading, to keep in your own collection for later use. I seriously think of this as a very major addition and improvement at telecom-digest.org and hope you will feel the same way when you see it. Of course, it is fully searchable; the search engine which indexes the Archives has been including the 'Tribute' files for the past couple days getting them included as well, but because of the size of the exhibit, you will get best results by using the template located in the exhibit rather than the one included on the Archives search page. From David Massey (dmassey@telecom-digest.org) then and myself, we hope you enjoy this new permanent exhibit, given at no charge to the net community. Just address your browser to: http://telecom-digest.org/tribute and enjoy it. Watch for frequent additions and changes as new materials become available to be included in the display! Patrick Townson TELECOM Digest & Archives Webmaster Editor, Publisher, call me whatever you like! ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Dark Side of Online Shopping Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:24:46 -0400 Trail of fraud leads from Amazon.com to Thailand By Molly Masland MSNBC June 24 When Internet investigator Don Garlock's bank account was mysteriously cleaned out in early June, the last thing he expected was that the search for the culprit would take him on a shadowy trail through cyberspace. The clues began at online retail giant Amazon.com and led to a ring of alleged hackers in Bangkok, Thailand. Along the way, Garlock picked up crucial lessons about the perils of online shopping, even at sites that claim to be '100 percent safe.' http://www.msnbc.com/news/283239.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:31:26 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Rio Sings Toll-Free Calling Tune Wired News Report 12:00 p.m. 24.Jun.99.PDT Add free phone calls to the Rio Internet music player's list of undocumented features. Availability may vary. Hackers are circulating instructions on turning the Diamond Multimedia MP3 player into a device for making free phone calls. http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20409.html ------------------------------ From: jonesm2@rpi.edu (Michael David Jones) Subject: CDMA vs. TDMA vs. "Digital Cell"? Date: 25 Jun 1999 09:35:40 -0400 Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Is there a web site somewhere which has a good description of some of the underlying technologies and who uses what? For even a reasonably educated consumer, the number of providers and acronyms (not to mention made up names for various offerings) is terribly confusing. For example, I've been a pretty happy customer of Sprint PCS (over CDMA, right?) for a couple of years now. I'm getting a little disappointed because they're not building up their digital network as fast as I'd hoped in the areas I travel through (I'm really happy with the coverage in Albany and NYC, though). Some friends are telling me I should switch to Bell Atlantic Mobile because they have better digital coverage because they use "digital cell" technology. I thought they were another CDMA-based system. Is there a good place to go to get answers to questions like this? Mike Jones | jonesm2@rpi.edu Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proven innocent. - George Orwell ------------------------------ From: ianangus@angustel.ca (Ian Angus) Subject: Does Data Traffic Exceed Voice? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:12:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. The statement that data traffic now exceeds voice in North America is repeated in just about every telecom presentation I hear these days. But no one cites a source for the claim. It seems to be accepted without question. In the current "Communications of the ACM," Michael Noll argues that the statement is false, and offers some back-of-the-envelope calculations to support his view. I find Noll's analysis simplistic -- but I agree with him that the "data exceeds voice" claim appears to be unproven. Can anyone point me to any actual studies, statistics, etc., on this issue? Is the claim legitimate, or a telecom urban legend? Ian Angus Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:16:46 -0700 From: Telecom@LincMad.nospam (Linc Madison) Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? Organization: LincMad Consulting In article , shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) wrote: > Jim Van Nuland writes: >> My area code 408 (San Jose, Calif) is getting an overlay soon, and >> we'll all be dialing many digits. >> I understand why I'll need to dial the new (overlay) code when >> calling a number in that area, but why the need to dial my own area >> code when *not* calling out of it? Is this not exactly analogous to >> calling (say) to another state? >> Seems to me that the same trigger (the 1-) would distinguish between >> my own (no 1-) and the other (1-xxx) area. So why is it mandatory? > Well, for one thing, you can dial an overlay number *without* a leading > 1-. Incorrect. You CANNOT dial an overlay number IN SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA, without the leading 1 (effective October 1999). In California, 10-digit dialing without the leading 1 is always and absolutely forbidden. If you dial 1, you must dial an area code, and conversely if you dial the area code, you must always dial 1 or 0 first. California does not use the "1+ means toll" rule at all. > The big thing is this: How are you going to know which of the two area > codes the phone you are *using* is in? If it's your own personal phone, > maybe. But for any other phone you'd have to *look*. > And a given switch may be handling exchanges in *both* area codes. > Which makes the programming a real problem, because it'd have to use > different dial decoding rules based *solely* on the line ID, which is > based on the wire pair, *not* the assigned telephone number. > For that matter, If I get a distinctive ring number added to my > existing number, they could be in *different* area codes. So which one > is "the" area code for the number? All true. > There are also other issues involving reserved exchanges and adjacent > area codes, but that gets a bit technical. Suffice it to say that once > an overlay goes in, you are stuck with 10-digit dialing for local > calls. This is why California does not permit 10D dialing of any calls. For example, the 408-925 prefix is local to some exchanges in the 925 area code. Before the introduction of mandatory 1+10D in 408, you would have a conflict between 925-xxxx and 925-nxx-xxxx. > Also, in not that many years, even *non*-overlay areas may have to > switch to 10-digit local dialing. True, although right now the CPUC is reconsidering its overlays because of consumer resistance to mandatory 1+10D. ** Do not send me unsolicited commercial e-mail spam of any kind ** Linc Madison * San Francisco, California * Telecom@LincMad-com URL:< http://www.lincmad.com > * North American Area Codes & Splits >> NOTE: as an anti-spam measure, replies are set to "postmaster"; >> however, replies sent to "Telecom" will be read sooner. ------------------------------ From: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au (David Clayton) Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:58:41 GMT Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Carl Moore contributed the following: > I am hearing through Philadelphia news media that new prohibition > against use of cell phones at gas-station pumps is being posted, at > least at Exxon company-owned stations. At least one of those sources > says some foreign countries have such a prohibition. You have to turn them off at petrol stations in Australia. Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:12:49 -0700 From: Arthur Ross Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas > I am hearing through Philadelphia news media that new prohibition > against use of cell phones at gas-station pumps is being posted, at > least at Exxon company-owned stations. At least one of those sources > says some foreign countries have such a prohibition. Someone called me several weeks ago about this story. It apparently was flying around the internet somewhere. I'll tell you the same thing I told them: That I think it borders on an urban myth. While it is probably possible, under VERY contrived circumstances, to make a tiny spark from the fraction of a watt that comes out of a cellular handset, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. If there is an explosive gas-air mixture at any of these gas stations that could be ignited by such a thing, THAT is the problem, not an unlikely source of a tiny spark. If they are worried about sparks they should also be forbidding cars with nylon carpets, women wearing nylon stocking, people with cats in the car, etc, etc, which are all potential sources of static sparks in dry weather. And they shouldn't be PUMPING their gas, as the very motion of the fluid itself can create static charges. You sometimes see roadside signs near construction projects asking that motorists refrain from using radio transmitters because of nearby blasting. The concern here is that the radiated RF can induce current in the wiring to the electrically-triggered blasting caps & set off the explosives prematurely. This IS a valid concern, as they are worried about higher-powered transmitters (e.g. amateur, police dispatch, etc., that radiate many WATTS). Again, the issue is one of proximity of something that will go boom to a potential source of accidental ignition. In this case, the hazard is real, so caution should prevail. But if those gas stations are going to tell me that they have explosive mixtures in their tanks, the authorities should be closing them down as hazards to public safety until they get their act together. It's the presence of the explosive mixture that is worrisome, not so much the source of ignition. Same issue as that 747 that blew up over Long Island. What was an explosive mixture doing in that tank? You can draw sparks from all sorts of moving mists, sawdust, fluids of various kinds (e.g. thunderstorms), rubbing fabrics, etc. This is how grain elevator explosions happen. The dust forms both the explosive mixture, AND, sometimes, the ignition source due to its motion (it is called triboelectricity - the production of a static charge by rubbing stuff). In every case, the key to safety is to make sure the the explosive mixture is not allowed to accumulate. While it doesn't hurt to eliminate ignition sources, it is difficult to do with high certainty. Something else comes to mind. I seem to recall that one of the merits of gasoline is the rather narrow range of fuel-air mixtures over which it is explosive. This also is probably a major contributor to the empirically low rate of exploding automobiles/gas stations. -- Best -- Arthur -- Dr. Arthur Ross 2325 East Orangewood Avenue Phoenix, AZ 85020-4730 Phone: 602-371-9708 Fax : 602-336-7074 ------------------------------ From: 141@wilkinsonsmith.com (Withheld Adrian) Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:20:45 GMT Organization: www.wilkinsonsmith.com Limited Reply-To: acs@wilkinsonsmith.com > I am hearing through Philadelphia news media that new prohibition > against use of cell phones at gas-station pumps is being posted, at > least at Exxon company-owned stations. At least one of those sources > says some foreign countries have such a prohibition. The UK being one where you are not allowed to use radio transmitting equipment, such as mobile phones, on gas station forecourts. Also in London at the ticket office of the new high speed link to the airport they have prohibited use of mobiles as they "upset" the ticket booking systems! ------------------------------ From: aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) Subject: Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:31:04 -0400 In article , srini_v@my-deja.com wrote: > A few days back a telemarketer from a long distance company called and > talked to my wife. A few days later, the long distance service was > switched to the new company. > My wife does not specifically remember if she authorized the switch. > The phone is in my name, and my wife is not yet in the authorized > list of persons that can update my account. I had given this list to > my local telephone company a year back. > My question is, even if assuming that my wife authorized the switch, > is it legal? Some phone companies will switch your PIXC whether they have your permission or not, whether you have a PIXC freeze or not. As has been documented in this forum more than once, if your number is in a batch being processed electronically, the telco may not bother to check, and won't be too concerned when you call to complain. It's probably not legal, but your telco will probably charge you to make the switch it back. If they won't put things back the way they were before, file a complaint with your state's utility regulatory agency and ask them to order the telco to change the PIXC back and charge all associated costs to the party who submitted the fraudulent order. ------------------------------ From: aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) Subject: Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:22:58 -0400 In article , johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) wrote: >>> But you also don't always get service. I'm spending the summer in >>> Orange County, NY, and ometimes I get five bar of signal, but when I >>> try to place a call I get a Bell-Atlantic intercept that I need a >>> credit card. >> ... I'll bet dollars to donuts that what happens is, if they don't >> have a roaming agreement with the carrier whose signal has got you, > More likely somebody's just being spiteful. In Orange County, the A > carrier is American Cellular (dba Cell One, of course), the B carrier > is BAMS. In metro New York, the A carrier is AT&T, B is BAMS; they're > intense arch-rivals. > According to the Cellular Travel Guide, AT&T and BAMS have roaming > agreements, and American Cellular has agreements with "all major > system A companies" which would presumably include AT&T. Both companies have to have roaming agreements, since AT&T customers are on BAMS when they travel east into Connecticut and BAMS customers are on AT&T's system when they travel into New York. > Theory 1: BAMS is being annoying and trying to get you to switch. > Theory 2: BAMS and/or American Cellular switch is programmed wrong. > Try dialing *611 and see if they think that AT&T customers should be > able to roam there. Theory 3: BAMS doesn't want to deal with potential pirate activity and defaults to intercept in that area. AT&T will sometimes do that to their own customers in high-fraud areas, like in the vicinity of the George Washington Bridge. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:31:38 -0700 From: Arthur Ross Subject: Re: AT&T's One-Rate Plan (was Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage) Bob Keller said: > But for the *PCS* services, e.g., AT&T's One-Rate plan, to work > automatically when you are in an area where you drop back to cellular > because a PCS signal is not available for one reason or another, would > require roaming agreements between *cellular* and *PCS* carriers. I'm > just not sure how ubiquitous such inter-service roaming agreements are > at this time. Right. I think that most of the PCS carriers do this. In order to APPEAR to provide ubiquitious service, in spite of their limited coverage, they provide their customers with dual mode (CDMA/AMPS or TDMA/AMPS) dual band (1800/800 MHz) handsets, and strike roaming agreements with the cellular carriers. When the phone can't find its native digital service at 1800 MHz, it acts like an analog roamer at 800 MHz. And this can be true even if you are in your home area. If your PCS phone is like mine (Sprint/Sony). the way to avoid those high roaming charges is to not use it if the "Roam" indicator is on, and thet "Digital" indicator is off. BTW -- My CELLULAR (800 MHz) carrier (Airtouch) offers a pretty good flat rate premium plan in which all airtime in ANY digital (CDMA) service area counts against your basic plan home area airtime, NOT as roaming. Works very well for me as I am often travelling in east coast urban areas where this is the case. They also sometimes act as their own toll carrier. -- Best -- Dr. Arthur Ross 2325 East Orangewood Avenue Phoenix, AZ 85020-4730 Phone: 602-371-9708 Fax : 602-336-7074 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:12:13 -0400 From: Jack Decker Subject: Who Invented the Telephone? With Microsoft Encarta, it Depends Here's a snippet of a {Wall Street Journal} article that MSNBC carried this morning, at http://www.msnbc.com/news/283586.asp Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia has different facts for different folks: Kevin J. Delaney THE WALL STREET JOURNAL June 25 Who invented the telephone? Microsoft Corp. Encarta multimedia encyclopedia on CD-ROM has an answer to that simple question. Rather, two answers. CONSULT THE U.S., U.K., or German editions of Encarta and you find the expected one: Alexander Graham Bell. But look at the Italian version and the story is strikingly different. Credit goes to Antonio Meucci, an impoverished Italian-American candlemaker who, as the Italian- language Encarta tells it, beat Bell to the punch by five years. Who's right? It depends on where you live. [See the rest of the article at http://www.msnbc.com/news/283586.asp - it gives several other examples of how Microsoft Encarta interprets the "facts" differently in different parts of the world. One kind of gets the notion that any devotion to truth or accuracy flies right out the window when faced with a potential loss of sales.] Jack (Make the obvious modification to my e-mail address to reply privately.) [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Who invented the phone, along with dozens of other essays, pictorials, sounds, and links dealing with telephones are now available in our new exhibit, 'Tribute to the Telephone' by David Massey. It officially opens this weekend, and I hope all Digest readers will visit: http://telecom-digest.org/tribute **Allow a lot of time, it is a large, 'museum size' presentation with hours of reading and viewing. Let me know how you like it. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #168 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Jun 25 22:35:04 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA04467; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:35:04 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906260235.WAA04467@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #169 TELECOM Digest Fri, 25 Jun 99 22:35:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 169 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson More Mischief on the Net! Hackers Netcast Phone Calls (Mike Pollock) Re: Who Really Needs a Cell Phone on the Amazon? (J.F. Mezei) Re: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US (Michael J. Kuras) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (Thor Lancelot Simon) Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn (Lisa Hancock) Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Dave O'Shea) Re: "Name That Domain" Contest (Seymour Dupa) Re: Cell Phone Call Tracing Question (Seymour Dupa) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 765 Junction City, KS 66441-0765 Phone: 415-520-9905 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe/unsubscribe: subscriptions@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. URL information: http://telecom-digest.org Anonymous FTP: hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives (or use our mirror site: ftp.epix.net/pub/telecom-archives) Email <==> FTP: telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org Send a simple, one line note to that automated address for a help file on how to use the automatic retrieval system for archives files. You can get desired files in email. ************************************************************************* * TELECOM Digest is partially funded by a grant from the * * International Telecommunication Union (ITU) in Geneva, Switzerland * * under the aegis of its Telecom Information Exchange Services (TIES) * * project. Views expressed herein should not be construed as represent-* * ing views of the ITU. * ************************************************************************* In addition, a gift from Mike Sandman, Chicago's Telecom Expert has enabled me to replace some obsolete computer equipment and enter the 21st century sort of on schedule. His mail order telephone parts/supplies service based in the Chicago area has been widely recognized by Digest readers as a reliable and very inexpensive source of telecom-related equipment. Please request a free catalog today at http://www.sandman.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help is important and appreciated. A suggested donation of twenty dollars per year per reader is considered appropriate. See our address above. Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:15:30 PDT From: Mike Pollock Subject: More Mischief on the Net! Hackers Netcast Phone Calls W I R E D N E W S Private Lives Laid Bare on Net by James Glave Voices drift through the ether, over cell phones, from somewhere in Vancouver, British Columbia. In a heavy working-class Canadian accent, a man says good morning to his girlfriend, who is half asleep. She asks him if there's any coffee left. Neither is aware that a hacker known only as DwC is capturing their words with a Bearcat BC200XLT scanner, and netcasting their intimate chat live onto the Internet with Shoutcast, a streaming MP3 service. "I think it is an intrusion," said David Jones, director of Electronic Frontier Canada, a group that seeks to preserve free expression in the digital age. Because the man and his girlfriend are using older cellular phones that transmit over radio frequencies without encryption, the conversation can be easily intercepted. Normally such calls can only be heard by someone using a modified scanner, but DwC has taken their conversations to a wider audience all over the world. "[The callers] are using out-of-date technology [and the hacker is] broadcasting it like a radio program," said Jones. "But it is not a radio program. It is a private conversation." And that could land the anonymous netcaster in jail. Section 184 of The Criminal Code of Canada states that anyone found guilty of intercepting cellular phone calls "maliciously or for gain" can be sentenced to a maximum of five years in prison. Jones said that while Section 183 says that calls made on analog cell phones, or via "radio-based telephone communication" are not considered a "private communication," DwC may still be violating the law under Section 184 by using the intercepted conversations maliciously. Neither the Vancouver Police Department nor the Royal Canadian Mounted Police could be reached for comment. British Columbia has an Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner, but that department only oversees the privacy of public bodies, and not individuals. The conversations are private, but mundane -- DwC's digital sieve catches the tedium of everyday life. One person gripes about why his insurance won't cover stolen scuba gear. A man on his way to work chats with his sleepy girlfriend. Then there's restaurant reservations, drug deals, someone complaining about her bowel obstruction. Some are intimate, others are disturbing. "He was having financial problems and he hung himself in his garage yesterday," said one voice. "How old was he?" "Fortyish." While the chatter runs in the background, a group of streaming MP3 enthusiasts listens in on an Internet Relay Chat channel. The cyber peanut gallery at times creates a bizarre interplay between reality and the group of technically sophisticated voyeurs. As a woman on a technical support cell call coaches a friend on how to plug in her keyboard, the voyeurs in the channel chime in with their own smart-aleck advice. Only they can hear it. One young audiophile said he couldn't resist the voyeuristic thrill. "I think he's trying to prove that we can't be ignorant to the people listening to the scanners," said the chatter, who described himself as an 18-year-old high school student from Toronto. "It's like it's in the air: You can't stop the waves from going through your body; why not listen to it?" For David Jones, the answer is to junk analog cell phones in favor of more secure digital PCS phones. "We should all have digital cell phones that have strong crypto. It wouldn't matter if we are broadcasting encrypted voice because it would be indecipherable. "Strong crypto keeps out the cops, it keeps out the reporters, and it keeps out this punk in Vancouver who is getting his jollies." ------- Related Story --------- Cell-Phone Calls Streamed on Net by Chris Oakes You can hear almost anything on the Internet these days -- maybe even your own phone conversations. America Online said Thursday morning that it was investigating Internet broadcasts of private cell-phone conversations captured with private scanner hardware and streamed out over the Net through its Shoutcast service. Shoutcast lets anyone with an Internet connection deliver any one of dozens of audio feeds of their choice. Basement netcasters the world over use MP3-encoded audio streams to channel home-brewed broadcasts to users of MP3 playback software in real time. "If you listen for a while, you'll hear credit card numbers, phone numbers, addresses, and all kinds of information I'm sure the people on the cell phones don't want the entire Internet to know," said Thomas Edwards, founder of webcasting company The Sync. "The legal implications are significant." Edwards said he's heard what sound like both wireless phone and cell-phone conversations. The cell-phone conversations are typically interrupted every two minutes as cellular providers change a call's radio frequency, he said. The conversations could be heard on the Shoutcast home page at Nullsoft, the company hosting the service, as recently as Wednesday night. But Thursday morning, no feeds with titles indicating a cell-phone conversation were listed. Nullsoft parent company America Online said the company was made aware of the issue only Thursday morning and began investigating. "We want to act responsibly and swiftly so when information comes to our attention that a user has posted information that could be unlawful, we're going to review it, and if necessary, remove it," said AOL spokeswoman Tricia Primrose. As of Thursday morning, the company had not yet removed any feeds from the Shoutcast site. A system monitor running on the Shoutcast site at the same time detected 2,357 people listening to 569 active servers. Telecommunications law generally removes Internet service providers from liability for information sent through a service's network. Legal cases have also established the provider as a conduit, or common carrier. End users, and not the network provider, are liable for illegal or libelous information. Edwards said he checks into Shoutcast every two weeks and had only just begun to notice the cell-phone conversations. He says it may be that most of the feeds show up late at night. In policy and disclaimer material on the Shoutcast site, Nullsoft takes a hands-off stance on content fed through its site. "Nullsoft, Inc. is not responsible for the content of what is broadcast below. Nullsoft, Inc. believes in the First Amendment to the US Constitution and will not review or censure any broadcast. Nullsoft, Inc. maintains no responsibility for the content of any broadcast." Nullsoft also publishes WinAmp, the popular MP3 player for listening to Shoutcast and MP3-based music files. ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: Who Really Needs a Cell Phone on the Amazon? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:12:45 -0400 Monty Solomon wrote: > So what's Iridium's Plan B? Wired's Joanna Glasner says it will target > tough guys. Think Will Steger or the guy Bruce Willis played in > "Armageddon": roughnecks on oil derricks or the disaster-relief crowd. > Maybe the next Jane Goodall. I am afraid that I agree. I think that Iridium wasted way too much time in making itself affordable. In countries such as Canada and Australia, Iridium has a very strong chance to increase its subscriber numbers in industrial applications. While cycling in Australia's Western Australia state, I found heaps of prospectors working for weeks in remote areas and they had bulky sat-phones (telstra) and all were aware of Iridium but said that nobody could afford an Iridium phone. Prospectors in Canada's north (especially near Yellowknife where there is now diamond mine) would also use such phones. Also, once you make Iridium affordable, you start to dig into the adventure-vacation market. I would have used an Iridium phone had it been affordable in my last cycling trip across australia so I could have downloaded data from ANYWHERE. (And also as a safety measure in case something happened to me). With the lower rates, Iridium becomes an alternative to the expensive HF radios used in australia's outback on 4wd vehicles (required to call the flying doctor or police in emergencies). I think that Iridium has no choice now but to lower its rates. It has only until June 30th to convince creditors not to force it into bankrupcy, and it obviously had not succeeded with its "plan A" so it had no choice but to start to show momentum and make a new plan that the bankers/creditors willknow to give it another chance. Another aspect: With its lower rates, perhaps Iridium can replace Inmarsat and thus start to get lost of "ship" subscribers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:53:05 EDT From: Michael J Kuras Subject: Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US John Benedetto wrote: > Is it a digital phone? Many of the new digital sets can and are being > programmed with a combination of "favored" "friendly" or "negative" > SIDs. Some phones, after registering on a network with a negative SID > (even where there is plenty of signal), will show no signal once they > see the SID and have been programmed to ignore it. So the signal is > really there, but the phone is told to ignore this. Most analog > phones don't do this, they will simply find the strongest signal on > the A or B band (whatever the phone is defaulted to) This is apparantly a VERY important issue to the carriers. I just upgraded to a new dual-mode phone (Startac 7760- very nice, BTW) and the Bell Atlantic sales drone told me that they were just finishing a promotion where they offered customers with 1-2 year old dual modes a NEW digital phone for free. The new phones, he said, had a firmware update which would force them to use the cheapest carrier available. So it was worth it to Bell Atlantic to give away new phones simply to adjust its roaming parameters. Wow. Must be a BIG disparity between roaming agreements. (funny- you'd think something as simple as this would be flash upgradeable, either by bringing it in or even over the air ...) On a side note, he seemed very unhappy that I chose the 1600-minute- anywhere-in-the-US-for-$169 plan. He admitted that they lose money on that deal and are instructed to persuade the customer to choose a different plan. This was after I caught him in three lies in as many minutes as he tried to do so. Fortunately, I did my research beforehand and knew exactly what I needed. (Now if they'd only get CDMA data online...) michael j kuras finger for pgp key mkuras@ccs.neu.edu ------------------------------ From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: 24 Jun 1999 21:08:08 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com In article , J.F. Mezei wrote: > Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: >>> The rest of the world was already well into GSM while North America >>> was still rolling out AMPS analog services. Who was ahead of whom????? >> Bzzzt. Thank you for playing. AMPS was designed and first built in >> the *1970s*. > AMPS is old news. Countries such as Australia are already reducing Which is relevant to the above quoted exchange how? You've constructed a straw man argument, in which you can flog North American network operators for so long as _any_ AMPS equipment is installed _anywhere_. Of course, the fact that initial AMPS rollouts in major cities were in the early 1980s, and that the system was designed in the 1970s, is not appropriate clothing for your straw man, so you ignore it. The world was not "well into GSM" in 1983; GSM did not exist! But in your looking-glass world, being the first to deploy _any_ type of cellular system (along with NTT in Japan, as another poster pointed out) is somehow a sign of technical backwardness... > their AMPS network capacity because their GSM networks have replaced > them in many areas. This is, of course, also the case in the United States. One hears more than occasional complaints from AMPS users in some areas because legacy AMPS carriers have converted so much equipment and bandwidth over to PCS of one form or another. This is a worldwide trend. > Remember that North America was very late in the game in adopting > digital telephony. You must have some wacky definition of "digital" or "telephony" or "digital telephony". AFAIK (and in this forum, I'm quite sure someone will tell me if I'm wrong) the Bell System was the first carrier in the world to deploy digitized trunk circuits; a friend and coworker of mine holds the patent on the first electronic signaling terminal for a digital switch; and of course the modern electronic central office switch as we know it, as well as the stored-program-controlled switch and common-channel signaling, were all Bell System/Western Electric innovations. Not to mention digital access all the way out to the ultimate subscriber; AT&T was there first with Accunet switched 56k service long ago, the progenitor of today's ISDN> Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock) Subject: Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn Date: 25 Jun 1999 02:58:53 GMT Organization: Net Access BBS > Suppose you're a shapely fitness model/law student whose campaign for > elected office is jeopardized when thousands of bogus pictures of you > start popping up on the Internet? Who you gonna call? Themis Klarides > called Alyssa Milano's mother, Lin. Yes, the mother has been waging a campaign against web sites that post nude pictures of the daughter (either real or faked -- the daughter has done nude scenes in movies so real pictures are out there.) [Alyssa played the daughter in "Who's the Boss", did some movies, a stint on Melrose Place, and now is on the WB's "Charmed".] It does raise interesting questions about the law and the internet. Traditional established publishers have to be careful of pornography, copyright, and libel laws. While it's hard to prove libel, especially with public figures, there are standards that publishers must follow or they will be liable. Reprinting a copyrighted picture without permission is not allowed. The law is clear for traditional publishers, and most observe it. (The tabloids do push the envelope quite a bit). But what about web sites? First, unlike a print publisher, how hard is it to find the actual location and owner of a web site? When someone registers their http address, is there a verified physical address and person associated with it? Is there an enforcement authority in case of abuse? A print publisher who has any kind of widespread distribution network needs to have some capital to start off with and thus has some responsibility. (Anyone of course can be a 'publisher' using a copying machine and handouts on a street corner, but realistically the resultant circulation revenue will be extremely low.) An Internet "publisher" may own nothing but a computer, and even if shutdown, can easily resume publishing again under a different name and address. Such tactics can quickly wear down the most dedicated enforcers. Secondly, what about web sites operated outside the U.S.? Unlike books which need an import agent, a foreign web sites flows in freely. There was a case a few years from the small country of Moldavia involving a long distance scam (users were secretly tricked into making expensive overseas calls). How do U.S. copyright, libel, and porn laws apply to them? Third, there is the potential of abuse of personal rights to privacy. Someone does NOT have the right to post embarassing nude photos of his or her ex-boyfriend or girlfriend -- that is libel. Private individuals have a right of privacy, and publishing embarassing things violates that and is libel. (You might be able to lampoon the President on your web site, but not your ex lover.) ------------------------------ From: Dave O'Shea Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:09:57 -0500 Monty Solomon wrote in message news:telecom19.150.11@ telecom-digest.org: > http://www.thestandard.com/articles/mediagrok_display/0,1185,4993,00.html > DoubleClick's planned buyout of Abacus Direct for $806 million in > stock created hardly a ripple of interest among the major print > dailies. A few posted yawning reports based on Bloomberg wire copy > about the acquisition, which pairs the Internet-advertising company > with the nation's fattest database of catalog-buying behavior. I became a bit annoyed with having Doubleclick, as well as one or two other companies, know a lot about my surfing habits. Here's what I did to my two "main" workstations: Unix machine: Added a 'cron' job: 27 5 * * * rm /home/dos/.netscape/cookies ; touch /home/dos/.netscape/cookies (Basically, at 5:27am every day, when I am guaranteed to have a death-grip on the pillow, all cookies are purged from the system, and the file is re-created to avoid confusing Netscape too much.) Wintel machine: I've got Norton Program Scheduler (comes with NAV), that runs a two-line batch file once a day: del \windows\cookies\*.txt del \windows\cookies\*.dat The only down side it that I lose my stored logins on one or two web sites, but, who cares? It means that Amazon.com doesn't know that I'm also shopping at barnesandnoble.com, and running searches at Lycos. I'm just not a big fan of people watching over my shoulder. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I always purge my cookies on a regular basis. I do not have it set as a cron job (or whatever Windows calls it), but I do have an easy to reach icon on my desktop which I just click once in awhile, and everything goes away. I have best results if I run it in DOS mode, and a few of the files stubbornly refuse to go away unless you reboot the computer, so I include a reboot as part of it. Part of the process is not just merely erasing the files, but writing over them as well, then erasing a second time what you have just written. Add to this a defrag once a week or so for extra clean conditions. As you point out, in the process you lose 'good cookies' as well as 'bad cookies', but one way around this is to grep your cookies file for those cookies you wish to keep; copy the output of grep to some other file; zap the remains and then move what you earlier separated back into place. It would only add a second or two to the overall job. I feel it is just too damn bad that something good and worthwhile like javascript routines for creating/reading cookies -- which are most useful and aid in making a website a pleasant place to visit -- have to be abused by these companies on the net who like to snoop on all the users. I think it is too bad that whoever first developed the technique we call 'cookies' did not copyright or patent his technique and place definite restrictions on the use of same, allowing cookies to be used in a non-profit way as an aid to keeping track of users' desired background colors, marking the place where they left off in reading, things like that, while flatly forbidding their use by any business place for marketing activity, etc. Probably whoever it was, like so many of us, had no idea five or ten years ago what dreadful things would happen to the net as we knew it then. You mention Amazon.com in your message; I hope you (and other readers) saw the item in the issue of the Digest just prior to this one which also went out Friday night: it looks like Amazon.com has gotten mixed up with some sort of scam involving direct debit of checking accounts. Even supposedly being a VISA/MC processor does not carry a lot of weight any longer. I reported here a few days ago that Merrick Bank in Salt Lake City had gotten involved with a bunch in Clearwater, FL who like making dips into your checking account while you are not looking ... and that you have to yell at the bank's attorney to get them to leave your checking account alone. And the article in the last issue of this Digest which told of the mess Amazon.com is now dealing with also seemed to imply that a lot of businesses on the net are not very honest about their security pro- cedures. I had a company which processes VISA/MC send me a note in the mail and offer to handle it here. That is, anyone who wished to make a donation as a Friend of the Digest to help offset my expenses would be able to do so via credit card using a page on the website for that purpose. I thought strongly about it, but I for one would hate to get involved in some mess like Amazon.com, where someone ripped off everyone else's money and then left a finger pointing at me on account of it, as has now happened to Amazon. I am still thinking about their offer, but my inclination is to stay away from it; there are just too many risks and not enough safeguards. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Seymour Dupa Subject: Re: "Name That Domain" Contest Organization: Exchange Network Services, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:53:52 GMT Qwest-Frontier could be shortened to Qwier ... Ron Walter wrote: > Now that you've brought up name changes and mergers, I'm almost hoping > Qwest pulls off their attempted purchase of Frontier and US West. > Since I live near US West territory, I don't want to go through a > dramatic name change and would prefer it become something like US > Qwest. If You Always Do the Things You've Done, You'll Always Have the Things You Got. ------------------------------ From: Seymour Dupa Subject: Re: Cell Phone Call Tracing Question Organization: Exchange Network Services, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:05:58 GMT Dan S. Wirsky wrote: > I want to try a different tack. I want to know if the cellular > telephone company's database stores the identity of the cell from > which a phone call is made as part of the record of the phone call. > If this is the case, the police might try to get a warrant for all > phone numbers that made an outgoing call from the cell that covered > her apartment at the time of the robbery. Have you tried asking about this in alt.cellular? If You Always Do the Things You've Done, You'll Always Have the Things You Got. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #169 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Jun 26 03:40:17 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA15423; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906260740.DAA15423@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #170 TELECOM Digest Sat, 26 Jun 99 03:40:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 170 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: CDMA vs. TDMA vs. "Digital Cell"? (Matt Bartlett) Re: CDMA vs. TDMA vs. "Digital Cell"? 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. From: Matt Bartlett Subject: Re: CDMA vs. TDMA vs. "Digital Cell"? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:55:01 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. The only difference between Sprint PCS and BAM is that Sprint operates on 1900 Mhz CDMA, and BAM uses 800 Mhz CDMA/AMPS. BAM isautomat- ically dual mode, roaming on BAMs analog side (AMPS) when digital coverage gets weak. Sprint PCS (on a dual band phone) will work on either A or B carrier (ATT or BAM) analog amps if Sprint coverage is weak, but only at 39 cents per minute. Matt ------------------------------ From: sunspace@interlog.com.placeholder (Scott Robert Dawson) Subject: Re: CDMA vs. TDMA vs. "Digital Cell"? Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 04:12:28 GMT Organization: Interlog Internet Services On 25 Jun 1999 09:35:40 -0400, jonesm2@rpi.edu (Michael David Jones) wrote: > Is there a web site somewhere which has a good description of some of > the underlying technologies and who uses what? Try Steve Punter's site at http://www.arcx.com/sites/. It has excellent descriptions of all five types of cellphones used in North America right now. The site is focused on the Toronto area. Don't be put off by this if you are not in Toronto; the background information is what you want. Scroll down to the middle of the page and folow the FAQ, Technologies, Guide, and CDMA vs. TDMA links. It's the site I would have tried to build, but Steve got there first. :) Scott Robert Dawson Toronto ------------------------------ From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:18:02 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc. In article , hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock) wrote: snip > Third, there is the potential of abuse of personal rights to privacy. > Someone does NOT have the right to post embarassing nude photos of his > or her ex-boyfriend or girlfriend -- that is libel. Private individuals > have a right of privacy, and publishing embarassing things violates > that and is libel. (You might be able to lampoon the President on > your web site, but not your ex lover.) But what TV judge was unable/or gave up doing anything about nude photos taken by old boyfriend and posted on the Internet. And what well endowed TV star and now ex-husband rock star were unable to do anything about a video stolen from them and posted on the internet and sold through the mail. Enforcement and case law have a long way to go on the internet copyright and libel issues. http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Has anyone been following this same situation with Dr. Laura Schlessinger? 'Doctor Laura' as she is known to her millions of radio listeners and her web site visitors lived quite a wild life in earlier years; someone got photos of her and put them on the net where they remain to this day. Occassionally on her radio program someone will mention the nude pictures on the web and her response is simply that, 'those were from a long time ago, when I was a different person than I am now; I have changed my life I think for the better, but through those pictures, I am still paying the price for the lifestyle I used to have." She occassionally will invite people to go look at the pictures -- although she does not give out the URL; she assumes if you want to see them bad enough you will find it on your own -- and says that, 'The internet and the web are good, positive things that can serve us all. The person who put my pictures on view was not trying to serve the net or help make the world a better place than he found it; he only did it to be hurtful, and at that he succeeded. The pictures embarass me, and much of my former life embarasses me when I think about it. Others will judge him for his actions.' PAT] ------------------------------ From: dtm37@aol.com (DTM37) Date: 25 Jun 1999 11:58:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: 9-1-1 Info (was Re: 911 Locator Regulations for PBXs) We are directly involved with NENA. The purpose of this supplemental group is to establish direct communications with interested parties with the intention of uploading input to the NENA subcommittees. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:53:40 -0400 From: Dave Lapin Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:49:36 EDT , Carl Moore (cmoore@ARL.MIL) posted: > I am hearing through Philadelphia news media that new prohibition > against use of cell phones at gas-station pumps is being posted, at > least at Exxon company-owned stations. At least one of those sources > says some foreign countries have such a prohibition. Carl may have missed the one extra bit I heard on only one of the reports on KYW-news radio: the reason for this prohibition is that cell phones may cause electrical sparks and ignite the gas vapors, especially if the cell phone is dropped. Now, please don't shoot the messenger. I really did hear this explanation on a legitimate news broadcase (although only once). Dave Lapin (home) dlapin@alum.mit.edu (work) david.lapin@unisys.com Obtain PGP key from PGPKeyServer: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu ------------------------------ From: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au (David Clayton) Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:58:39 GMT Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au J.F. Mezei contributed the following: > Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: >>> The rest of the world was already well into GSM while North America >>> was still rolling out AMPS analog services. Who was ahead of whom????? >> Bzzzt. Thank you for playing. AMPS was designed and first built in >> the *1970s*. > AMPS is old news. Countries such as Australia are already reducing > their AMPS network capacity because their GSM networks have replaced > them in many areas. Remember that North America was very late in the > game in adopting digital telephony. The extensive Australian AMPS network gets shut down at the end of this year, (with the exception of some remote areas), and is being superseded by the combination of extending the GSM network and a new CDMA network. There have been significant political issues with the current range and coverage of the AMPS network but CDMA look like the solution. BTW, there are still hundreds of thousands of AMPS users who have to make other arrangements in the next few months, but most people will not be too sad to see AMPS get the flick. Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ From: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au (David Clayton) Subject: Re: Reliability of Microwave vs Fibre Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:58:40 GMT Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au J.F. Mezei contributed the following: >> Digging up the ground for fiber is a one-time expense (modulo >> repairs from errant backhoes), but you can put *vastly* more data over >> fiber. > I was told that in Australia's outback, they only put it 6 inches > below ground except in crossing rivers where it is put a few feet > below the ground level for those rare times when there is water in the > river. Remember also that crossing Australia from east to west is about the same distance as crossing the USA from east to west ... that's a long piece of fibre to bury ... Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:31:01 -0400 From: Neal McLain Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? In TELECOM DIGEST V19 #166, shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes: > Also, in not that many years, even *non*-overlay areas may > have to switch to 10-digit local dialing. If/when the entire NANP goes to 10- (or 11-) digit dialing on all calls, we should be able to use 1 and 0 for the first digit of the NXX code -- turning it into an XXX code. Thus, combinations such as 415-120-9905 and 415-020-9905 would be valid. This would result in a 25% increase in the size of the number pool. Is this likely to happen? Neal McLain nmclain@compuserve.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: At the present time, many of those three-digit combinations as per your examples are used. They are non-dialable, of course, for billing purposes only. Things like 'non-subscriber calling cards' from AT&T (calling cards issued where there is no specific telephone number to relate it to), tie- line circuits between PBXs, the older style 800 number which had its termination on a circuit of its own not related to any specific seven-digit number as most are today, etc. Many of them are also dialable by telephone operators only as a way to reach the 'Inward' operator in some other city. A miscellaneous billing account in Chicago for example might be something like 312-173-2901. Like an actual, dialable prefix, some of those non-dialable 'billing pur- poses only' three digit combinations are assigned to local telco, some to AT&T, some to MCI, some to Sprint, etc so that clearinghouse functions can be handled with ease, with the area code and first three digits detirmining which telco is to get the associated charge or credit. If a toll ticket for example was to be billed to the number (example) 305-099-7234 then telco's back office could look at it and detirmine that the charge should go to Sprint to some miscellaneous account at their office in Miami. Just as for many, many years when we had 'traditional' area codes, the number '909' was never assigned to telephone use because it was in use by Telenet as the 'area code' for their data network, when it was eventually taken over, Telenet had to do some re-arrangements on their own network. The numbers you suggest are already 'known' by telco computers, its just that they are known to serve other things than actually connecting to a live customer. To assign them now as phone numbers would require all sorts of changes in things like the operator's routing tables for inward, billing functions, and whatever else. I suspect a lot of backoffice bureaucrats would be hostile. Besides, there are other ways to expand the supply of numbers, and telco would rather inconvenience the public with area code overlays and eleven digit dialing anytime in preference to having to be inconvenienced itself in its own internal functions. PAT] ------------------------------ From: lwinson@bbs.cpcn.com (L. Winson) Subject: Re: Tribute to the Telephone - New Archives Exhibit Date: 26 Jun 1999 02:44:56 GMT Organization: The PACSIBM SIG BBS I am looking forward to checking this out! Sounds exciting. Will pass the word to ATCA and TCI groups. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: David Massey, creator of Tribute to the Telephone is a member of ATCA as a matter of fact. He mentions his membership number in the organization on one of the web pages. The first few comments I have received (I told a couple of long-time people here about it a few days ago in private mail) have generally been favorable. One person said he had no idea how one person could accumulate that much information and get it all scanned in. It did not happen overnight. Massey has been at this for a few years now. It took me about two weeks of working a couple hours per day to get the pages properly linked and into a directory structure here. I told him I was thrilled with the idea of it being part of Telecom Archives, and I hope all readers enjoy it as much as David and I did in getting it on line here. http://telecom-digest.org/tribute/ Don't try to view/read it all at once! PAT] ------------------------------ From: bbutler@home.com (Butch Butler) Subject: For Sale: Mitel SX-100 Super Switch System Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:43:38 GMT Organization: @Home Network I have acquired a Mitel SX-100 Super Switch surplus to my needs (which are nil.) It works -- according to my telecom guy who just upgraded my place of business. It really is too heavy to ship unless someone is REALLY desparate to have it, so I'll try parting it out. There are SIXTEEN BOARDS in the cabinet, as follows: 6 ea. - LINE CIRCUIT (8 STATION) 9110-110 1 ea. - C.O. TRUNK CIRCUIT (4 TRUNK) 9110-211-000 2 ea. - DID/TIE TRUNK CIRCUIT (2 TRUNK)9110-031 2 ea. - RECEIVER (DUAL) 9110-009 1 ea. - CONSOLE CONTROL (DUAL) 9110-006 1 ea. - TONE CONTROL 9110-005 1 ea. - SCANNER 9110-004 1 ea. - 160K PROM/CPU 9110-103-216-N A 1 ea. - RAM/COS 9110-102 Anyone out there tell me what these are worth? I'll let them go fairly cheap, but I don't want to give them away. Thanks, Butch ------------------------------ From: elchino@my-deja.com Subject: For Sale: Norstar With Five Telephones Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:07:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Selling telephone system Norstar with 5 telephones $1500.00 plus shipping. Send Email or Call 305-552-1288. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This is just a reminder that normally the Digest is NOT a vehicle for 'want to sell' or 'want to buy' type messages. *Commercial messages* from brokers, used equipment sales people and such are not accepted. Occassionally, when I have a little space to fill in an issue, private party placements like the above two, from regular reader/participants here, are accepted at no charge. Only occassionally, not as a routine thing. Items like the two above are relatively unsaleable in any general-purpose commercial newsgroup which is why I will consider them here. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Russ Ericson Subject: Norstar Plus Docs Wanted Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:29:41 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Reply-To: aspr2shs@cruzio.com Hi, Yesterday I couldn't spell phones and today I must learn to manage the phone system. It has MICS-DR 1.1 software and what I need is a that will help me to better understand what I am doing. We are splitting our T1 line with 8 voice channels and 16 data channels. The problem I am having is that since we changed area codes, a year ago, our dial out number still appends the old area code which forces us to dial the direct number + the new area code to dial locally. I think it is in the routing part of the software but I'm not sure. I would appreciate some help with this problem. I just started the job, (I didn't tell them I was a phone guy) and solving it would give me more points than a porcupine. Thanks. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: See the message before this one. Maybe the guy with the Norstar stuff for sale has documentation on your problem. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:02:55 -0700 From: Keelan Lightfoot Subject: Re: Does Data Traffic Exceed Voice? > The statement that data traffic now exceeds voice in North America is > repeated in just about every telecom presentation I hear these > days. But no one cites a source for the claim. It seems to be > accepted without question. Not exactly statistics, but a little better than unsourced claims: http://www.tmo.hp.com/tmo/tcnews/9811/16tncov.html - Keelan Lightfoot ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #170 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Jun 26 14:27:05 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA00311; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:27:05 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906261827.OAA00311@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #171 TELECOM Digest Sat, 26 Jun 99 14:27:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 171 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Ralph Seberry) Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Craig Macbride) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Juha Veijalainen) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Steven Lichter) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (David Clayton) Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn (Tom Betz) Re: CDMA vs. TDMA vs. "Digital Cell"? (Arthur Ross) Re: Pager at the U.S. Open Golf Tournament (Ryan Tucker) Re: Norstar Plus Docs Wanted (Brian Cox) Ericsson MD-100 Switch Question (Mark Earle) Re: Tribute to the Telephone - New Archives Exhibit (Frank Heisler) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:39:40 +1000 From: Ralph Seberry Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I always purge my cookies on a regular > basis. I do not have it set as a cron job (or whatever Windows calls > it), but I do have an easy to reach icon on my desktop which I just > click once in awhile, and everything goes away. > As you point out, in the process you lose 'good cookies' as well as > 'bad cookies', You might look at the Junkbusters Web Proxy (www.junkbusters.com). It allows you to control cookies quite closely. You can block them by site, so you only receive good cookies in the first place. It also allows blocking of banner ads. Ralph [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Someplace around here I have a little program which prevents popup windows from reaching you. It has three levels of control, either off, mimimum or maximum. In the minimum state, it is supposed to do a reasonable job of killing popups, but it says some will come through anyway. In the maximum state, it alleges to 'kill popups, i.e. goecities style, dead before they reach your screen', but the level also seems to kill *desired* popups called for by the user. I may take a look at Junkbusters and see how well they deal with these things. I find those popup window advertisements quite a nuisance. If they want to put advertising on the page itself, I do not favor that idea but will live with it, but the popups and the frames you cannot close out of with advertising in them, etc, really are distasteful. One reason David Massey did not want Tribute to the Telephone at a place like Geocities was for that very reason; he did not want to have advertisements popping up all over the display. Many of those things make it appear as though the occupant of the web page is endorsing them. I guess everyone knows that Geocities and Yahoo have merged. The technical stuff was done yesterday and last night, and now it is known as 'Geocities-Yahoo'. I certainly hope that does not mean that Yahoo is now going to start having popups all over the screen. It would be a shame to see a good service like that get the reputation Geocities has among so many netters. PAT] ------------------------------ Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix From: craig@glasswings.com.au (Craig Macbride) Organization: Nyx Public Access Internet Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:22:28 GMT Dave O'Shea writes: > on the pillow, all cookies are purged from the system, and the file is > re-created to avoid confusing Netscape too much.) Why not just use the option in Netscape "accept only cookies that get sent back to the originating server"? That'll prevent any sites sharing cookies in real time. However, if Doubleclick decides to create a massive database and cross-check it, they could always store all the cross-check information on their server, indexed by IP address, maybe? Okay, many people have non-permanent IP addresses these days, but they could still narrow it down a lot. > The only down side it that I lose my stored logins on one or two web > sites, but, who cares? It means that Amazon.com doesn't know that I'm > also shopping at barnesandnoble.com, and running searches at > Lycos. I'm just not a big fan of people watching over my shoulder. Use the above option, and they won't know anyhow. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I always purge my cookies on a regular > basis. I don't. A large proportion of sites which send me cookies are places I log in to that are storing information I don't want to have to type again. > I think it is too bad that whoever first developed the > technique we call 'cookies' did not copyright or patent his technique > and place definite restrictions on the use of same Why? It's the responsibility of government to legislate on privacy issues, not for individuals to have to take civil action. The real problem is the lamentable lack of such legislation in the USA. Other countries can legislate to protect privacy within their own borders, but that does little good when US companies create databases on (presumably) anybody. Of course, this is why US companies are having problems with their European divisions not being allowed to exchange data on clients with their US divisions, due to European countries not allowing private information to be sent to places (eg. the USA) where such data may be abused. Of course, the real answer is more configurable browers. Just configure your browser to ignore all doubleclick.net addresses, for example. Simple. If you are running your own proxy server, it's pretty easy to do this already, much as the banner ad places _hate_ the idea, of course. Craig Macbride ---------------------http://amarok.glasswings.com.au/~craig--------------- "It's a sense of humour like mine, Carla, that makes me proud to be ashamed of myself." - Captain Kremmen [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Everyone wants the government to do everything for them. That won't work! Look at the mess the government has already made on the internet in places where they have started getting involved. As far as the US government is concerned, they'd just as soon regular people would get off this thing so it could be turned over to big business interests anyway. When is the last time in a dispute between a netizen and a big corporation over the use of a domain name that the courts ever ruled in favor of the netizen? It doesn't happen. Did you see the recent item in the news about the black lady in New York who is suing America On Line for theft of a domain name she owns? Her web site is devoted to a directory of African-American professionals on the net, organized by their field of expertise, and their business activities, etc. She had it for the longest time, a quite active site under the name aolsearch.com and one day it just went dead. Upon her inquiry of the name registrar, she was told that America On Line was taking it over, because they (AOL) were starting a search engine and needed the name. No advance warning, no nothing. It was all just so casual, as if it were an everyday occurrance, which apparently it is since the name registrar stated in the same article that last year they 'adjudicated' about 900 disputes regarding domain names, and I guess what that means is that if a lawyer for some large corporation comes along, posturing in a very arrogant way, that everyone is expected to suck up and give in to the demands. Or don't give in if you don't want to, it doesn't matter; the name registrar will do as they feel like anyway. So the government is the last place that I, as a netizen, would turn for any assistance regarding things that are offensive around here. They do not want you here. As soon as you come to grips with that simple reality, you will start getting along just fine. They want you to get so annoyed you finally leave. I wish it were possible to ignore all doubleclick addresses, but there are so many of them, keeping them all straight would be impossible. And I guess like spammers, when you block them off from one direction, they just change their name and come at you from another direction. So just as I personally shower, shave and change my clothes daily, I do the same to Computer, more or less regularly. PAT] ------------------------------ From: juhave@zdnetmail.com (Juha Veijalainen) Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:35:32 +0300 Organization: Jkarhuritarit In article , dlapin@alum.mit.edu says: > On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:49:36 EDT , Carl Moore (cmoore@ARL.MIL) posted: >> I am hearing through Philadelphia news media that new prohibition >> against use of cell phones at gas-station pumps is being posted, at >> least at Exxon company-owned stations. At least one of those sources >> says some foreign countries have such a prohibition. > Carl may have missed the one extra bit I heard on only one of the > reports on KYW-news radio: the reason for this prohibition is that > cell phones may cause electrical sparks and ignite the gas vapors, > especially if the cell phone is dropped. As far as I know, Britain has had cell phone use restrictions at petrol stations for a while. Esso (Exxon) had decided internationally that cell phones must not be used at their stations. Strange thing is that in Finland some Esso stations have services that require cell phone (like paying for automatic car wash). Also, cell phone use does not bother any other petrol stations (Shell, Jet, Neste ...) The cited reason was possibility of sparks from the cell phone, though I suspect secondary reason might be that someone is worried about cell phone effects to the computerised metering pumps. Use of mobile radio and other equipment _is_ restricted on oil tanker ships, for example. Rubber coated and gas sealed equipment is used to avoid sparks. Juha Veijalainen, Helsinki, Finland, http://www.iki.fi/juhave/ Some random words: bomb,steganography,cryptography,reindeer ** Mielipiteet omiani ** Opinions personal, facts suspect ** [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Odd, isn't it that Exxon is so careful about the use of radios on their tankers and then hires a drunkard as a captain who causes the ship to dump its cargo all over the Alaska shoreline; a mess that people are still trying to clean up after all these years. Or, as the old rhyme goes, 'what are you gonna do with a drunken sailor ... put him charge of an Exxon tanker ...' PAT] ------------------------------ From: stevenl11@aol.comstuffit (Steven Lichter) Date: 26 Jun 1999 13:12:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas PacBell will not let anyone use Cell, PCS, 900 meg or anyother type of wireless devise in any of their CO's. They say that it will cause interference with their switch, I have yet to see a problem in any other digital office of any other company's office I have been in and that includes AirTouch, ATT Wireless. Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II and Mac. 24 hours 2400/14.4. OggNet Server. ------------------------------ From: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au (David Clayton) Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:43:37 GMT Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Dave Lapin contributed the following: > On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:49:36 EDT , Carl Moore (cmoore@ARL.MIL) posted: >> I am hearing through Philadelphia news media that new prohibition >> against use of cell phones at gas-station pumps is being posted, at >> least at Exxon company-owned stations. At least one of those sources >> says some foreign countries have such a prohibition. > Carl may have missed the one extra bit I heard on only one of the > reports on KYW-news radio: the reason for this prohibition is that > cell phones may cause electrical sparks and ignite the gas vapors, > especially if the cell phone is dropped. > Now, please don't shoot the messenger. I really did hear this > explanation on a legitimate news broadcase (although only once). Every time I see this argument I am just thankful that some people with sufficient foresight have managed to have the restrictions put in place. Is it beyond the realms of possibility that some goose filling his tank, (with the petrol fumes pushed out of the pipe as the petrol goes in), has his 'phone clipped to his belt -- possibly centimetres from the fumes -- which then starts transmitting because someone has called it? Even a minute RF arc in the proximity of the fumes could cause an explosion. The circumstances may be unlikely, even remote, but I would prefer that this unnecessary risk wasn't taken at all. Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ From: tbetz@panix.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn Date: 26 Jun 1999 08:12:41 -0400 Organization: Society for the Elimination of Junk Unsolicited Bulk Email Reply-To: tbetz@pobox.com Quoth hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) in : > And what well endowed TV star and now ex-husband rock star were unable > to do anything about a video stolen from them and posted on the internet > and sold through the mail. I sincerely doubt that anything was stolen from this duo; rather, they made a deal to sell it and were surprised with its notoriety, hence the later "stolen" claim. |We have tried ignorance | Tom Betz, Generalist | |for a very long time, and | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: | |it's time we tried education.| | || YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:57:59 -0700 From: Arthur Ross Subject: Re: CDMA vs. TDMA vs. "Digital Cell"? jonesm2@rpi.edu (Michael David Jones) wrote: > Is there a web site somewhere which has a good description of some of > the underlying technologies and who uses what? For even a reasonably > educated consumer, the number of providers and acronyms (not to > mention made up names for various offerings) is terribly confusing. > For example, I've been a pretty happy customer of Sprint PCS (over > CDMA, right?) for a couple of years now. I'm getting a little > disappointed because they're not building up their digital network as > fast as I'd hoped in the areas I travel through (I'm really happy with > the coverage in Albany and NYC, though). Some friends are telling me I > should switch to Bell Atlantic Mobile because they have better digital > coverage because they use "digital cell" technology. I thought they > were another CDMA-based system. Is there a good place to go to get > answers to questions like this? The tutorial on the CDMA Development Group website (www.cdg.org/tech/a_ross) addresses CDMA technology at an introductory technical level, and tries to show how it differs from the others. It includes a glossary. Similar material, sans marketing spin, can be found at www.amug.org/~ahmrphd. The rest of the CDG website (www.cdg.org) may be helpful about who runs what and who manufactures what. Both Sprint and BAM do run CDMA. The former in the PCS band (1800 MHz), the latter in the cellular band (800 MHz). -- Best -- Dr. Arthur Ross 2325 East Orangewood Avenue Phoenix, AZ 85020-4730 Phone: 602-371-9708 Fax : 602-336-7074 ------------------------------ From: rtucker+from+199906@katan.ttgcitn.com (Ryan Tucker) Subject: Re: Pager at the U.S. Open Golf Tournament Date: 26 Jun 1999 14:15:15 GMT Organization: TTGCITN Communications , ROC NY Reply-To: rtucker+replyto+199906@katan.ttgcitn.com In , Tony Pelliccio spewed: > This is what really frosts me about cellular phone manufacturers and > carriers. Why is it that you have to pay oodles of money to get a > cellphone that vibrates vs. the annoying ring most of them have? And > why is it that the carrier and manufacturers can't incorporate a "one > moment" key on them so that those who really need to have their > cellphone with them can excuse themselves to a private area and the > call will be held. Hmmm, my Ericsson KF788 has a vibrate function, and it wasn't all that expensive. The vibrator is kinda weak compared to my pager, but it works. Also, I'm not sure about this phone (just got it a week or so ago), but most phones have a hold function ... answer phone, say "one moment please", put it on hold, and then carry it elsewhere. -rt Ryan Tucker http://www.ttgcitn.com/~rtucker/ President, TTGCITN Communications Box 92425, Rochester NY 14692-0425 Please keep public threads public -- e-mail responses will be ignored. ------------------------------ From: Brian Cox Subject: Re: Norstar Plus Docs Wanted Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:28:02 -0400 Organization: Atlantel Business Comm. Russ Ericson wrote: > Yesterday I couldn't spell phones and today I must learn to manage the > phone system. > It has MICS-DR 1.1 software and what I need is a that will help me to > better understand what I am doing. We are splitting our T1 line with > 8 voice channels and 16 data channels. The problem I am having is > that since we changed area codes, a year ago, our dial out number > still appends the old area code which forces us to dial the direct > number + the new area code to dial locally. I think it is in the > routing part of the software but I'm not sure. I would appreciate some > help with this problem. I just started the job, (I didn't tell them I > was a phone guy) and solving it would give me more points than a > porcupine. It is a routing problem. This is programmed in the area of destination codes. You need to sub your new area code for the old one. We have books available. Brian Cox Atlantel Business Comm. 800-637-9973 use mindspring instead of *** to reply by email ------------------------------ From: mm6669@electrotex.com (Mark Earle) Subject: Ericsson MD100 Switch Question Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:33:53 GMT We have an Ericsson MD100 switch, and run version 2.01 of the DNA suite (operator console, graphics user interface administation tools). 2.01 is not Y2k compliant. There is a patch (which we don't yet have); and a new version which is in hand. The problem is, my vendor wants 8 hours (!) to install and reconfigure the new version. This is for a system with about 120 phones and 2 operator consoles. I'm wondering if anyone has gone through this, and if 8 hours is really the extent of the effort. Also wondering if anyone has used the patch which is supposed to simply fix the Y2k aspects. We're not using the fancy stuff (telanphony, fax to desk, etc). Thanks! Mark mearle@sfxhou.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 99 15:25 From: frankie@dns.tlug.org (Frank Heisler) Subject: Re: Tribute to the Telephone - New Archives Exhibit Organization: Downsview Networking Services In article TELECOM Digest Editor said: > ** TRIBUTE TO THE TELEPHONE ** is a new, permanent exhibit at this Pat, I was roaming around the digest late last night and found the link to this exhibit. Fantastic ... thanks for making this available at telecom-digest.org . Cheeri'o... Frank Heisler | Downsview Networking Services frankie@dns.tlug.org | System Administrator "I'm light years away from the people who make me stay. Sitting on the bad side of the moon." - Elton John "Bad Side of the Moon" [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am glad you liked it. It is an ongoing thing; David Massey is continuing to compile it and I am continuing to edit the links and bring it all together on this end. Editorial questions concerning the exhibit should be directed to dmassey@telecom-digest.org while questions regarding broken links and/or missing pictures, etc can be directed to either of us. Please do check it out soon at http://telecom-digest.org/tribute and feel free to bookmark pages of interest. You will even get my little 'favicon.ico' -- a red telephone icon -- in your favorites file if you do! (grin). PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #171 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Jun 26 21:23:10 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA12873; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906270123.VAA12873@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #172 TELECOM Digest Sat, 26 Jun 99 21:23:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 172 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn (Steve Winters) Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? (Steven) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Rob Levandowski) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Steven J. Sobol) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Bruce Roberts) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Tony Pelliccio) Re: Pager at the U.S. Open Golf Tournament (Stanley Cline) Re: NYC Local Calls (Patrick Lee) Re: Ericsson MD100 Switch Question (Charles B. Wilber) Re: Automated Web Page FAXing (Steven) Re: Does Data Traffic Exceed Voice? (Ian Angus) Re: More Mischief on the Net! Hackers Netcast Phone Calls (Steven J. Sobol) Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications (Greg Monti) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 765 Junction City, KS 66441-0765 Phone: 415-520-9905 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe/unsubscribe: subscriptions@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winter) Subject: Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:08:57 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock) spake thusly and wrote: > First, unlike a print publisher, how hard is it to find the actual > location and owner of a web site? When someone registers their http > address, is there a verified physical address and person associated > with it? Is there an enforcement authority in case of abuse? Generally a web site will be registered as a domain and their information would be available at http://www.networksolutions.com Even if they set up as anon, someone is paying the bill and their identity is only one subpoena away if they are doing something illegal or tortious etc ... Steve Winter http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM ------------------------------ From: steven@primacomputer.com (Steven) Subject: Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 03:59:35 +0800 Organization: Prima Computer That statement is ridiculous. People may get away with scams like this, but that doesn't mean it is legal. Let's put the shoe on the other foot. I call the guy and say I am authorised to sell service on behalf of your company for a flat rate of $1/month. I guess you should be obligated to provide it. After all, he had every reason to believe that I was representing your company. While were at it, anyone want to pretend to be Bill Gates and sell me Microsoft? Maybe I could get my potted plant to sell it to me. A little custard pie and they look the same to me. You have to inform the person who owns the line, and he has to agree. You then have to provide the service and he has to take it. That is the fundamental essence of a contract. All he has to say is that he was dissatisfied with the service, and he will not only pay no bill, but be eligible to collect damages as well. If you get a friendly judge (who has been harassed by telemarketers himself) then he might get punitive damages as well. Id go after a restraining order while I was at it. See how well they pull this stunt when they aren't allowed within 500 feet of a dialtone. Steven In article , mjt@lcrtelecom.com says... > Call the carrier and ask to listen to the verification tape. If the > verification system asked whether (your wife) is authorized to make > changes to the line, and she says "yes", then you don't have a lot of > ground to stand on, as the carrier wouldn't know that she is not, and > the name of the authorizer is *not* sent ot the LECs as part of the > PIC request. > My company is an LD reseller, and I handle provisioning, so this is > pretty first hand. So, assuming that she did authorize it, it would > be a legal switch. My suggestion is ask the LEC to put a PIC freeze > on your account. Then only you can switch carriers. But you have to > do it by calling the LEC yourself ... you can't authorize someone else > to do it in your name. ------------------------------ From: robl@macwhiz.com (Rob Levandowski) Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Organization: MacWhiz Technologies Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:02:12 -0400 In article , dcstar@acslink.aone. net.au wrote: > Is it beyond the realms of possibility that some goose filling his > tank, (with the petrol fumes pushed out of the pipe as the petrol goes > in), has his 'phone clipped to his belt -- possibly centimetres from > the fumes -- which then starts transmitting because someone has called > it? The fumes are a good point, but it makes me think that there is another solution to the fumes which is a better idea all around. In Western Massachusetts, I've noticed that all gas stations have installed "vapor recovery nozzles." The filler hose is coaxial, as is the nozzle. There are perforations on the nozzle so that any fumes given off by the refueling process are drawn into the holes and back through the hose via a vacuum. This was done primarily to reduce the environmental dangers of gasoline fumes. I believe this is required by law in the area. It's very noticeable after you've fueled a few times at such a pump. There's none of the gasoline smell you've come to expect and ignore at regular stations. While this may not completely eliminate the risk of touching off fumes from a small RF spark, I would think that it would lessen it considerably -- perhaps even to the level of "freakish chance." I've also noticed some cars now have onboard vapor recovery for refueling; my new Saab lists this feature in the owners' manual. Fumes are diverted to a storage canister and burned in the engine. There are fewer gas fumes refueling my Saab than I was used to with my old American car. Now, I'm not too keen on people using cellphones everywhere and anywhere, but the fume explosion risk here seems very controllable to me. It's just that the petroleum companies don't want to spend the money on "green" technology like this without being forced to do so by the government ... Rob Levandowski robl@macwhiz.com ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Date: 26 Jun 1999 17:45:28 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.4NET On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:12:49 -0700, a.ross@ieee.org allegedly said: > potential sources of static sparks in dry weather. And they shouldn't > be PUMPING their gas, as the very motion of the fluid itself can > create static charges. If you had a gas leak, would you call the gas company from your house or someone else's? (Just wondering.) North Shore Technologies: We don't just build websites. We build relationships. (But not with spammers. Spammers get billed a minimum of $1000 for cleanup!) 888.480.4NET [active now, forwards to my pager] - 216.619.2NET [as of 7/1/99] Proud host of the Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail - www.spamfree.org [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The word on this from People's Gas, which serves Chicago and its subsidiary North Shore Gas in the suburbs is *DO NOT* use your telephone to report a gas leak. Make the report from a telephone somewhat removed, such as at a neighbor's house. Telco also advises the same thing regards gas leaks, or 'anytime you smell gas in your home ...' Telco also advises against the use of the phone during heavy rainstorms with thunder and lightning since there is a risk that lightning might strike their wires. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Bruce Roberts Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:25:07 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Reply-To: bfr1@worldnet.att.net David Clayton wrote: > Every time I see this argument I am just thankful that some people > with sufficient foresight have managed to have the restrictions put in > place. > Is it beyond the realms of possibility that some goose filling his > tank, (with the petrol fumes pushed out of the pipe as the petrol goes > in), has his 'phone clipped to his belt -- possibly centimetres from > the fumes -- which then starts transmitting because someone has called > it? > Even a minute RF arc in the proximity of the fumes could cause an > explosion. In which case each individual should be required to coast his/her vehicle the last 100 feet to the pump and then push it the first 100 feet after filling. A running internal combustion engine is a veritable hotbed of ignition sources. Every door on a car has sparking dome light switches and the like and we won't even go into the idiots who stub out their cigarettes, if at all, until after they pull up to the pump. Given all this and the dearth of petrol station explosions I'll not worry even a bit about being immolated courtesy of my Motherola Flip Phone. TTFN -br- These opinions are all mine - and I'm quietly proud of them. Bruce Roberts - Long Beach, California ------------------------------ From: nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio) Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Organization: Providence Network Partners Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:52:53 GMT In article , stevenl11@aol.comstuffit says... > PacBell will not let anyone use Cell, PCS, 900 meg or anyother type of > wireless devise in any of their CO's. They say that it will cause > interference with their switch, I have yet to see a problem in any > other digital office of any other company's office I have been in and > that includes AirTouch, ATT Wireless. I've been in a Brooks Fiber office and had a call come in on my GSM cellphone. I look around and all the techs have cellphones hanging off thier belts so I guess it's ok. It was. The switch in that room was a 5ESS-2000. If I'm not mistaken, both Lucent and Nortel build those things to withstand nothing short of an earthquake. Why should a little thing like a cell phone hurt. ;) == Tony Pelliccio, KD1S formerly KD1NR == Trustee WE1RD ------------------------------ From: sc1@roamer1.org (Stanley Cline) Subject: Re: Pager at the U.S. Open Golf Tournament Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:29:11 GMT Organization: by area code and prefix (NPA-NXX) Reply-To: sc1@roamer1.org On 26 Jun 1999 14:15:15 GMT, rtucker+from+199906@katan.ttgcitn.com (Ryan Tucker) wrote: > Also, I'm not sure about this phone (just got it a week or so ago), but > most phones have a hold function ... answer phone, say "one moment > please", put it on hold, and then carry it elsewhere. -rt The GSM standard and nearly all GSM phones provide for "call hold". (While roaming on DigiPH on the Mississippi Gulf Coast a couple of months ago, I put someone on hold and they reported getting _music_ while on hold! :) ) With other phones, a mute function can be used as a substitute to a true "hold" feature. SC ------------------------------ From: patlee@panix.com (Patrick Lee) Subject: Re: NYC Local Calls Date: 26 Jun 1999 18:37:29 GMT Reply-To: pat@patlee.org (Patrick Lee) In article , Jon Solomon wrote: > I hear BA is offering unlimited calling as an option in the NYC area. NYNEX began offering unlimited local calling plan (New York City) and unlimited regional calling plan (Long Island and parts of Westchester) in New York about four years ago. BA has not changed these plans since acquiring NYNEX. Patrick Lee ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jun 1999 18:11:37 EDT From: Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) Reply-To: Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) Subject: Re: Ericsson MD100 Switch Question mm6669@electrotex.com (Mark Earle) wrote: > We have an Ericsson MD100 switch, and run version 2.01 of the DNA > suite (operator console, graphics user interface administation tools). > 2.01 is not Y2k compliant. There is a patch (which we don't yet have); > and a new version which is in hand. > The problem is, my vendor wants 8 hours (!) to install and reconfigure > the new version. This is for a system with about 120 phones and 2 > operator consoles. I'm wondering if anyone has gone through this, and > if 8 hours is really the extent of the effort. Mark, We ran into a similar situation with our Ericsson DNA software. We run approximately 5500 extensions through our Ericsson MD110 and use the Extension Manager, Directory Manager and Operator Work Station modules of the DNA software. We ran into some problems with our version of the DNA software suite (v 2.0, I think) that caused serious data mismatches in our PBX. When we sought technical support for the problems, we were told that our DNA software version was no longer supported and that the solution was to upgrade to the latest release. We did so only to find that the WindowsNT we ran the DNA suite on also had to be upgraded to version 4.0 since DNA 3.0 would not run on NT 3.5. We did that also, plus buying a faster PC to support all this new software. Then, naturally, someone (not Microsoft) told us that Windows NT 4.0 was not Y2K compatible out of the box and we needed to get a "service pack" to fix that problem. Well, we did that also but I can say with confidence that we spent well over eight hours before we had all the pieces in place and working properly. Charlie Wilber ------------------------------ From: steven@primacomputer.com (Steven) Subject: Re: Automated Web Page FAXing Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:52:51 +0800 Organization: Prima Computer It depends what platform you are running on, but there are free ones available from Microsoft for 95/NT. That was what I had in mind. A more serious way might be with a dialogic PRI and their fax code coupled with the browser control from MS. Steven In article , Daniel@Daniel Norton.net says... > On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:30:38 +0800, steven@primacomputer.com wrote: >> The Browser control and fax SDK ... > Which? Black Ice? ------------------------------ From: ianangus@angustel.ca (Ian Angus) Subject: Re: Does Data Traffic Exceed Voice? Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:55:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. I wrote, >> The statement that data traffic now exceeds voice in North America is >> repeated in just about every telecom presentation I hear these >> days. But no one cites a source for the claim. It seems to be >> accepted without question. And Keelan Lightfoot replied ... > Not exactly statistics, but a little better than unsourced claims: > http://www.tmo.hp.com/tmo/tcnews/9811/16tncov.html Thank you for the reference, but this article is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about -- an unsourced claim. It includes a graph showing data passing voice, but provides no source for the graph. Then it says "Some long-distance carriers report that data traffic already exceeds voice traffic on their networks, and most experts predict that by the year 2000, the crossover will have been reached in many countries." Which carriers? What numbers do they offer? And what do "most experts" base their predictions on? I'm not saying data doesn't exceed voice -- I'm saying that I haven't seen any hard evidence either way, and no one seems to cite any. Which leads me to question whether the evidence exists. Ian Angus Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: More Mischief on the Net! Hackers Netcast Phone Calls Date: 26 Jun 1999 17:42:12 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.4NET On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:15:30 PDT, pheel@sprynet.com allegedly said: > W I R E D N E W S > Private Lives Laid Bare on Net > by James Glave > Voices drift through the ether, over cell phones, from somewhere in > Vancouver, British Columbia. How exactly are these people "hackers"? Even the way the word is misused in the media these days ... to mean someone who breaks into computer networks ... the description doesn't apply to the people described in the article you quote. North Shore Technologies: We don't just build websites. We build relationships. (But not with spammers. Spammers get billed a minimum of $1000 for cleanup!) 888.480.4NET [active now, forwards to my pager] - 216.619.2NET [as of 7/1/99] Proud host of the Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail - www.spamfree.org [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Steve originally addressed this to Mike, who had forwarded the original article. Mike is not to blame, I am. It came from Mike with no subject line other than 'forwarded to you' and I frivilously decided on the 'Mischief' headline which included the word 'hackers'. I know very well how the honorable word 'hacker' has been over the years abused and distorted in the print media so that now it applies to anyone who, ... well, anyone who causes mischief which involves the internet. Sorry if any offense was taken. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:55:37 -0500 From: Greg Monti Subject: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications Each year, somebody (I've never seen it attributed) publishes on the internet a list of people who died while doing really stupid things. The concept is that the human gene pool is improved by these events. Survival of the fittest. Darwinian evolution. Thus the Darwin Awards. This year's posting had about ten deaths described, but this was the best one, and the grand award winner. ----------------- ----- THE 1998 DARWIN AWARD WINNER IS ... THOMPSON, MANITOBA, CANADA. Telephone relay company night watchman Edward Baker, 31, was killed early Christmas morning by excessive microwave radiation exposure. He was apparently attempting to keep warm next to a telecommunications feedhorn. Baker had been suspended on a safety violation once last year, according to Northern Manitoba Signal Relay spokesperson Tanya Cooke. She noted that Baker's earlier infraction was for defeating a safety shut-off switch and entering a restricted maintenance catwalk in order to stand in front of the microwave dish. He had told coworkers that it was the only way he could stay warm during his twelve-hour shift at the station, where winter temperatures often dip to forty below zero. Microwaves can heat water molecules within human tissue in the same way that they heat food in microwave ovens. For his Christmas shift, Baker reportedly brought a twelve pack of beer and a plastic lawn chair, which he positioned directly in line with the strongest microwave beam. Baker had not been told about a tenfold boost in microwave power planned that night to handle the anticipated increase in holiday long-distance calling traffic. Baker's body was discovered by the daytime watchman, John Burns, who was greeted by an odor he mistook for a Christmas roast he thought Baker must have prepared as a surprise. Burns also reported to NMSR company officials that Baker's unfinished beers had exploded. forwarded by: Greg Monti Dallas, Texas, USA gmonti@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~gmonti [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: How perfectly awful! You would have thought he might have noticed something going on within his own body after a short time because of this, but perhaps he drank a lot of beer and fell asleep, and never noticed the difference. I have a tiny little scar on the underside of my left arm, perhaps an eighth of an inch in size resulting from an injury I suffered in telecommunications also, about 35 years ago. I had a part-time job working a couple nights per week as the overnight switchboard operator at the South Shore Country Club. My roomate, a couple friends and I had been out celebrating something long since forgotten, and a very *large* pizza and two or three pitchers of beer later I had to go to work. They dropped me off at the club and then split. At the time, the residents of the apartment complex there were mostly very old Jewish ladies, very orthodox, and this being Friday night, the start of the Sabbath I expected no trouble out of any of them. They were all asleep, long since tucked in their beds by the time I came to work at 11 PM. It was doubtful the switchboard would have a single call all night in either direction. There was an alarm clock which was used to remind the operators of 'wakeup calls' to be made at various times in the morning, and it was understood that on the Sabbath, the operator was to ring twice, but not to expect an answer in most cases. Even during the day on Saturday, the board stayed very quiet; most calls consisted of one of the older ladies asking if the desk clerk or the maintainence man would please come up and turn on/off her lights or light the stove for her food, or perhaps in some cases, when they were ready to go to synagogue an employee was requested to bring the elevator to them. Riding in the elevator was not forbidden (frowned upon, perhaps) but they believed they were not to press the button to call for the elevator. Phone calls were also forbidden but the rationalization was that they were not making a 'true' phone call since it did not leave the switchboard and go outside the premises; it was only an 'intercom' call to downstairs asking an employee to come attend to things they were forbidden to do on the Sabbath. I set the alarm for 6 AM which was the first wakeup call of the day for Saturday, turned the switchboard buzzer sort of loud so that if I fell asleep I would hear it, and then said to myself, let me just rest my head on my arms for a couple minutes ... (smile) ... with one of the switchboard plugs brushing against my arm. I fell asleep. Just as I suspected, nothing occurred until the alarm went off at 6 and I woke up, my arm still resting where it had been on that switchboard plug. A small spot on my arm, about the size of a dime, was red and had a burning sensation. It was then I realized I had been giving myself some electrolysis all night, a tiny bit of direct current (DC) that certainly could not be felt when touched briefly, but none the less had had several hours to burn my skin at that point. I suppose if I had continued sleeping there in my drunken stupor all day Saturday I would have cooked myself nicely into a roast, as the watchman mentioned above did. The redness and burning sensation went away a day or so later, but the skin tissue there is completely dead I think. I wonder if I should have sued South Shore Country Club for workman's compensation or something. Its a tiny little spot now, 35 years later, about the size of an eraser on a pencil, totally white, will not tan with the rest of my arms in the summer, etc. The story Greg Monti quotes above does not say if the family of the deceased filed suit or not because of the loss of their loved one. I assume they did; that is the way things are done these days in most places. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #172 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Jun 28 14:15:05 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA22270; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:15:05 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906281815.OAA22270@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #173 TELECOM Digest Mon, 28 Jun 99 14:15:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 173 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson In Memoriam - Robert J. Keevers of Bell Labs / Bellcore (Mark J Cuccia) Vive le Internet! Digotage! (Dave O'Shea) How to Become an IXC, and SS7 Access (Phil Herreshoff) Information Request For German Phone Schematics, etc. (Bahram Parvanian) Questions on Possible Modem Power Surge Damage (Robert Hancock) Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? (Dave Close) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Steven J. Sobol) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Steven Lichter) Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! (xoanan@bigfoot.com) Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn (Hudson Leighton) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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Keevers of Bell Labs / Bellcore For the past three years, I have been in touch by telephone and (postal) mail with Mr. Robert J. Keevers, who was retired from Bellcore. Mr. Keevers started with Bell Labs in the late 1950's, and moved over into the "new" Bellcore with the divestiture of AT&T, circa 1983/84. He retired from Bellcore in late 1992 or early 1993. Mr. Keevers was one of the Bell System _EXPERTS_ in issues regarding numbering and dialing, switching and routing, signaling, and other INTER-related topics. He had been very much involved with developments and enhancements with the #4A Crossbar toll switching machine, as well as the (at the time new, in the 1970's) #4ESS toll/tandem machine, among other aspects of switching development. He also authored NUMEROUS articles which appeared in the Bell Laboratories Record journal, PARTICULARLY regarding International and Overseas dialing/numbering/routing/etc ... and also authored many Bell Laboratories (and Bellcore) planning documents regarding the Numbering Plan as well as inter-related aspects of switching and routing in the North American Dial Network. I had read many of Mr. Keevers articles in the Bell Labs Record magazine back in the 1970's, whenever I would go to the library to do research on the Telephone Network. A few years ago, through my various contacts and research, I was able to be introduced to Mr. Keevers, by telephone. I had many telephone conversations with him, and he was always very helpful and open in our discussions regarding the history (and even current developments) in the telephone network. I think that he enjoyed our conversations as much as I did. Even though he was retired, he always had some time to be able to discuss the telephone network and its history with me, as well as other issues of American nostalgia. In 1997, Mr. Keevers moved from New Jersey back to his home state of Connecticut to be closer to his sister and her family. On Sunday evening (27 June 1999), I received a telephone call from the sister of Robert Keevers. She informed me that he had a heart attack on 6 June 1999, and another heart attack around 16 June. He passed away on that date. He was 71. She had been going through some of his papers on Sunday afternoon and found my name/number in his records, and remembered my name from previous telephone conversations with her brother. Robert Keevers was well respected within the Bell System and Bellcore, as well as with the International Telecommuncations Union / CCITT. He had travelled over the years to many ITU functions around the globe (but particularly at the ITU's Headquarters in Geneva) regarding the international interconnection and operational aspects of telephone numbering / dialing / routing / switching / signaling / etc. He will be remembered and missed by many in the Telephone Industry, as well as by those of us who might not be "officially" part of the telephone industry but were well aware of his NUMEROUS works and achievements over the decades. MARK_J._CUCCIA__PHONE/WRITE/WIRE/CABLE:__HOME:__(USA)__Tel:_CHestnut-1-2497 WORK:__mcuccia@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu|4710-Wright-Road|__(+1-504-241-2497) Tel:UNiversity-5-5954(+1-504-865-5954)|New-Orleans-28__|fwds-on-no-answr-to Fax:UNiversity-5-5917(+1-504-865-5917)|Louisiana(70128)|cellular/voicemail- ------------------------------ From: Dave O'Shea Subject: Vive le Internet! Digotage! Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:06:30 -0500 Craig Macbride wrote in message news: telecom19.171.2@telecom-digest.org... > Dave O'Shea writes: >> on the pillow, all cookies are purged from the system, and the file is >> re-created to avoid confusing Netscape too much.) > Why not just use the option in Netscape "accept only cookies that get > sent back to the originating server"? I tried that, and *still* some of the offenders kept popping up in the file. So to hell with 'em all! :-) > That'll prevent any sites sharing cookies in real time. However, if > Doubleclick decides to create a massive database and cross-check it, > they could always store all the cross-check information on their > server, indexed by IP address, maybe? Okay, many people have > non-permanent IP addresses these days, but they could still narrow it > down a lot. I think more have dynamic addresses than not. Heck, even my network at home runs DHCP. >> The only down side it that I lose my stored logins on one or two web >> sites, but, who cares? It means that Amazon.com doesn't know that I'm >> also shopping at barnesandnoble.com, and running searches at >> Lycos. I'm just not a big fan of people watching over my shoulder. > Use the above option, and they won't know anyhow. >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I always purge my cookies on a regular >> basis. > I don't. A large proportion of sites which send me cookies are places > I log in to that are storing information I don't want to have to type > again. I thought the same thing until I visited amazon.com with a computer I hadn't used in several months. It was more than happy to accept and process an order without validating any of my information again -- and charge it to the CC I had used long before! >> I think it is too bad that whoever first developed the >> technique we call 'cookies' did not copyright or patent his technique >> and place definite restrictions on the use of same > Why? It's the responsibility of government to legislate on privacy > issues, not for individuals to have to take civil action. But seriously, that's never going to happen. The reality is that the invasions of privacy will get worse, and worse. Government will do little or nothing about it. ("digital millenium act", anyone?) I feel an ethical obligation to take note of those who seek to invade my privacy, and provide them with plentiful information -- but all of it wildly wrong. Yesterday I took a computerized survey for some company or other. I'm a 24-year old unemployed surgeon, with eight children, ages 30-70, and a 98-year old wife. We own 0 cars, one a honda and the other a porsche. We have no hobbies nor income, but spend 8,000-10,000 per year on vacations. We spend $60,000 per year on cleaning products, and $11 per year on gasoline. We are vegetatrians and eat out every night. Our favorite restaurant is "Outback Steakhouse". The monthly mortgage on the apartment that we rent is $2. I am divorced, widowed, and have never married. (You're here for the birth of a word, folks: Digotage. ("dij'-oh-taj") Much as the workers of Europe threw their shoes -- "sabots" into the machinery they protested ("sabotage"), I feel it's perfectly ethical, and perhaps a rewarding pastime to stuff the wrong digits up the noses that try to sniff things that I think they have no business knowing.) I am always polite with telephone solicitors. I let them try to make their pitch, but interrupt them repeatedly, and finally explain that if they're really going to save me money, they should mail me $100 to prove it. I'll send back 20% of what I save in return. Then I start pitching my web hosting and network security services to them. At work, I ask any prospective vendor to send me a quote for his product or service first, then we'll talk about what it actually is and how great it is. Last week I made a sales droid do the install while the techie and I talked about the product. *SO* much more effective. > problem is the lamentable lack of such legislation in the USA. Other > countries can legislate to protect privacy within their own borders, > but that does little good when US companies create databases on > (presumably) anybody. Of course, this is why US companies are having > problems with their European divisions not being allowed to exchange > data on clients with their US divisions, due to European countries not > allowing private information to be sent to places (eg. the USA) where > such data may be abused. I'm just not really confident that the government has any interest in solving the problem. Quite the opposite. I think this is a case where direct individual inaction and misdirection is called for. :-) Do the same with spammers. Make their life hell. Find out the name and phone number of their web hosting company's president, and put it in their responder with a "PLEASE HAVE SALESMAN CALL!!!!" note. Turn the spammers over to each other, and feed them each other's phone numbers and addresses. It takes only a few minutes a day, but you'll be doing your part to make the world a better place, and you'll have a few chuckles at the same time. (NOTE! Only do this if you think the spammers really should talk to compare business interests. Doing this just to harass them would be wrong, of course. But business interests are so broad that you just can't help but try to keep them all Making Money Fast.) ------------------------------ From: Phil Herreshoff Subject: How to Become an IXC, and SS7 Access Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:34:03 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com So, let's say I want to start an IXC. What do I need to do from a regulatory standpoint? Is there a doc somewhere on the net "Dummy's guide to becoming an IXC?" Also, do I need to be an IXC or LEC to have access to SS7, or can I get access to the signaling system through other means? Finally, is access to SS7 required to switch a phone call? What I'd like to do is let someone call my IVR system, press in a 4-digit code, and then have the call forwarded off to some other number. If that other number is a toll call, I want to originating caller to be billed, not me, thus my need to "switch" the call using SS7 or some other means. Any/all pointers are appreciated. Thanks, phil ------------------------------ From: Bahram Parvanian Subject: Information Request For German Phone Schematics, etc. Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:36:49 IRST Dear Sir, I am an Iranian and manager of telephone service company. Since two years ago a lot of German type phones and wireless have been come in to Iran. Now as there are not any reliable reference for repairing and servicing these phones in Iran; I would be very glad if you send me exact information for repairing, designs, block diagram, manual service and any other useful information for these phones: Telekom Sinus 11 Telekom Sinus 33 Telekom Sinus 42 Telekom Sinus 42I Telekom Sinus 42AB Telekom Sinus 51 Telekom Sinus 52 Telekom Actron B Telekom Actron AB Telekom Actron C1 Telekom Actron C2 Telekom Respando 4 Telekom Respando 5 Telekom Tellay AB Telekom Tarsis B Telekom Tarsis C Telekom IQ-Tel 1 Telekom IQ-Tel 2 Telekom IQ-Tel 3 Telekom Zigno 1 Telekom Zigno 2 Telekom Octophon Telekom Fax 300 Telekom Fax 301 Telekom Fax 310 Telekom Fax 330 Telekom Fax 331 Telekom Fax 341 Or if you can not do this please tell me how and where can I find these informations. Thank you very much in advance and waiting to hear from you soon. Yours Sincerely, B.Parvanian E-mail: Parvanian@hotmail.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I hope some of our readers in Germany or perhaps elsewhere who have literature on the above mentioned phones will try to help Mr. Parvanian. Thank you. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Robert Hancock Subject: Questions on Possible Modem Power Surge Damage Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:18:16 GMT Organization: @Home Network Canada I have been working as a computer tutor for a retired lady in the neighborhood. Today they called me and said that when she tried to connect to the Internet, it said that there was no dial tone. They had recently come back from a trip, and while they were gone we had a thunderstorm. They found that one TV is now dead (no response to any buttons) and their garage door opener will not respond to the remote transmitter, it will only work with the wall button. Their computer is connected to a surge protector but it does not have phone line protection. There is definitely a dial tone at the modem's connection. Sounds to me like the modem's phone line interface has been fried by a power surge. However, no other telephone devices are damaged. The modem is actually a combination sound card and modem, made by Aztech (one of the bazillions of companies with that name, anyway). I suppose the next step may be to open up the case and see if any of the circuitry on the modem is fried. I am just wondering how common this occurrence is. The modem responds perfectly to AT commands, but when you type ATH1 (off hook) only silence is heard. Anybody have something like this happen to them? Oh, and I don't suppose there's any chance the phone company will pay for damage, is there? Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada To email, remove "nospam" from hancockr@nospamhome.com Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr ------------------------------ From: dave@compata.com (Dave Close) Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing - Why Mandatory? Organization: Compata, Costa Mesa, California Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 06:00:55 GMT Neal McLain writes: > If/when the entire NANP goes to 10- (or 11-) digit dialing on all > calls, we should be able to use 1 and 0 for the first digit of the NXX > code -- turning it into an XXX code. Thus, combinations such as > 415-120-9905 and 415-020-9905 would be valid. This would result in a > 25% increase in the size of the number pool. I've seen the good reasons why this is unlikely. But I note that, if a leading 1 is required on all calls, that we have effectively made area codes four digits, all of which start with 1. It wouldn't be a big stretch to then start to use the other possible four-digit codes. Of course, current 0+ calls would have to change to 12 digits. And there would be other adjustments for 01 and 011 calls. But those changes would probably be minor compared to the increase in numbers. Dave Close, Compata, Costa Mesa CA "Politics is the business of getting dave@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 power and privilege without dhclose@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit." - P. J. O'Rourke ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J Sobol) Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Date: 27 Jun 1999 16:49:34 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.4NET On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:02:12 -0400, robl@macwhiz.com allegedly said: > In Western Massachusetts, I've noticed that all gas stations have > installed "vapor recovery nozzles." The filler hose is coaxial, as is > the nozzle. There are perforations on the nozzle so that any fumes > given off by the refueling process are drawn into the holes and back > through the hose via a vacuum. This was done primarily to reduce the > environmental dangers of gasoline fumes. I believe this is required > by law in the area. Yes. It's a clean-air issue, and Ohio's big cities have the same restrictions. If I recall correctly, it's EPA regulations that require the equipment. > It's very noticeable after you've fueled a few times at such a pump. > There's none of the gasoline smell you've come to expect and ignore at > regular stations. While this may not completely eliminate the risk of > touching off fumes from a small RF spark, I would think that it would > lessen it considerably -- perhaps even to the level of "freakish chance." I agree that the risk of using cellphones is probably low. I still try to avoid using my cellphone standing outside at the pump; if I have to use the phone I get back in the car while the gas is pumping. > Now, I'm not too keen on people using cellphones everywhere and > anywhere, but the fume explosion risk here seems very controllable to > me. It's just that the petroleum companies don't want to spend the > money on "green" technology like this without being forced to do so by > the government ... There's no profit in gas sales ... why do you think 99% of the stations out there sell either convenience items or auto service? I'm not trying to defend the decision, but there's a damned good reason why the big guys don't like spending money on gas pumps... the margins are already thin. But I digress. This is veering way off-topic ... North Shore Technologies: We don't just build websites. We build relationships. (But not with spammers. Spammers get billed a minimum of $1000 for cleanup!) 888.480.4NET [active now, forwards to my pager] - 216.619.2NET [as of 7/1/99] Proud host of the Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail - www.spamfree.org ------------------------------ From: stevenl11@aol.comstuffit (Steven Lichter) Date: 27 Jun 1999 03:26:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas > I've been in a Brooks Fiber office and had a call come in on my GSM > cellphone. I look around and all the techs have cellphones hanging off > their belts so I guess it's ok. It was. > The switch in that room was a 5ESS-2000. If I'm not mistaken, both > Lucent and Nortel build those things to withstand nothing short of an > earthquake. Why should a little thing like a cell phone hurt. ;) Ihave asked a few techs why and they have stated it came down from above, I heard that they had a problem someplace, but never heard anything more. I guess someone is just afraid of an outage. -------------------- The only good commerical E-mailer is a dead one, have you hunted one down to day yet? Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II and Mac. 24 hours 2400/14.4. OggNet Server. ------------------------------ From: xoanan@bigfoot.com Subject: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 05:54:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Reply-To: xoanan@bigfoot.com Greetings, My father currently lives on a farm in an area that has a party line. They are the only party on the line, and he would like to be able to access the internet. He tried a short while ago, but couldn't get the computer to find a dial-tone. A telephone expert at his office told him the problem could be corrected by finding and using the correct pins, and gave him test equipment. He wasn't able to get it to work, and the telephone expert has since been transfered. Will someone please help me re-create this test? Thanks, Dave Vernon ------------------------------ From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:47:24 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc. In article , support@sellcom.com wrote: > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock) spake thusly and wrote: >> First, unlike a print publisher, how hard is it to find the actual >> location and owner of a web site? When someone registers their http >> address, is there a verified physical address and person associated >> with it? Is there an enforcement authority in case of abuse? > Generally a web site will be registered as a domain and their > information would be available at http://www.networksolutions.com > Even if they set up as anon, someone is paying the bill and their > identity is only one subpoena away if they are doing something illegal > or tortious etc ... What about one of those "free" GeoCities type websites? I could set one of those up and it would run for a few days until GeoCities or whoever takes it down, and would anybody be able to find me? Use a Hotmail account from some cyber cafe or the local public library. I should be able to keep doing "new" sites and more "new" sites till the cows come home or they stop allowing new sites. Especially if I had a bunch of them already reserved/set up and all I had to do was turn them on as the old ones were shut down. Would they be looking for trouble from "established" users, or would they be looking for new users. http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #173 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Jun 28 16:46:14 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA00572; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906282046.QAA00572@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #174 TELECOM Digest Mon, 28 Jun 99 16:46:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 174 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Someone is Going Around in Circles Here ... HELP! (TELECOM Digest Editor) Providing Easement to Phone Company (Jeremy Greene) Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Steve Riley) Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Craig Macbride) Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? (Barry Margolin) Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecom (Peter Simpson) Re: Siemens 2420 Purchase - Any Thoughts??? Michael N. Marcus) Re: Does Data Traffic Exceed Voice? (Jason Kowal) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Denis McMahon) Re: How to Become an IXC, and SS7 Access (John R. Levine) Phone System Recommendations... (Tyler Stewart) Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! (Pete Weiss) Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecom (Jeff Brielmaier) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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For the past three or four days, every single message sent out from here to comp.dcom.telecom has been getting flipped around and sent back to me via comp-dcom-telecom@uunet.net and I think the culprit is pipex.net, but I am not sure. Today I had a couple hundred 'submissions' which were all the messages which were printed here last week! The 'To' line is to 'undisclosed recipient' and with the exception of the exact path to pipex.net (since I enter the news stream at various places) the header is always the same: pipex.net gets it, claims it is for comp-dcom-telecom and sends it to uunet which then faithfully sends it along to me. But what puzzles me is if I am an 'undisclosed recipient' then I must be on someone's mailing list for redistribution of telecom messages from Usenet. Anyone with any ideas, please advise. I thought this was bad enough on Friday and Saturday, but today I really got bombed out with duplicates, and they are still coming in. Thanks. ----example of header follows, all are identical except path ---- Received: by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA04272 for \ptownson; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA03871 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdukbasconn02.computer2000.co.uk by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: tdukbasconn02.computer2000.co.uk [193.133.110.21]) id QQgvnu18240 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:43:35 GMT Path: cold.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!telecom-digest.org!ptownson Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:55:08 GMT From: ianangus@angustel.ca (Ian Angus) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Does Data Traffic Exceed Voice? Message-ID: Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Sender: editor@telecom-digest.org Approved: [comp.dcom.telecom/f3c2180edd92e028e51de8f59dee8a1b] X-URL: http://telecom-digest.org/ X-Submissions-To: editor@telecom-digest.org X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@telecom-digest.org X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 19, Issue 172, Message 11 of 13 Lines: 35 To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------------------------------------------- The above is what the header looks like on each message sent out from here to Usenet. All that varies is the path of how something got to pipex. Also on what goes to comp.dcom.telecom the final line saying that it is To: undisclosed-recipients: is not there. Thanks, PAT ------------------------------ From: Jeremy Greene Subject: Providing Easement to Phone Company Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 05:04:13 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Can anyone comment on the legal (or any other) implications of providing an easement on your property for the phone company's use? My family has property in rural Vermont and Bell Atlantic would like a 30' x 30' easement to install a fiber optic cabinet (fiber to copper SLC). The stated purpose is to accomodate increasing growth in demand for phone service. The area is in the corner of a hayfield. It is about 3 miles from the CO. Bell is offering $2000. Where would I do research to see if this is an appropriate amount? Should we ask for some free phone lines too? Also, members of the family are concerned about the possibility of sitting a cell tower nearby. Would it be reasonable to include language in the contract barring them from using these fiber optic facilities to serve any wireless service providers? Any other issues to consider? Thanks, Jeremy [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Do not get too greedy in your demands. Telco is willing to pay you some amount of money less than what it would cost their lawyer to file necessary papers for condemnation to take over what is needed. Generally the courts are sympathetic to the necessity of occassionally crossing over someone's land for the purpose of achieving some good benefit for the public, and in the case in point, if telco really has no other way to get where they need to be to serve the public I can tell you almost with total certainty the court will rule in their favor if such a relatively tiny amount of space in an otherwise remote, distant corner of a large hay field is involved. If telco has stated they intend to restore anything damaged as a result of their excavating, construction, etc, and that your business of growing hay will be only slightly and temporarily disrupted and that the finished work will not be an eyesore either to yourself or your neighbors and will not otherwise devalue your property or harm your business, then I would venture to say the court -- if it came to that point -- would rule for telco and sign off on condemnation of the property as needed. I think you can rightfully ask for compensation to the extent the land is valued; whatever the 'going price' is for an acre (or that many square feet) of land could be reasonably demanded along with some additional amount of money to cover your out-of-pocket expenses during the transition for things like road closures, or construction equip- ment which otherwise occupied other parts of your land, etc. But the court, at least in theory, is supposed to be a place of equity, a place of fairness. The court dislikes being a collection agency for your family. I would not ask for some ongoing favorable treatment, i.e. free phone service. A one time settlement is best. Do not be afraid to speak agressively to telco's attorney (some corporate attornies have a way of being terribly frightful to the general public when they bluster and posture in an arrogant way, which I guess is how the corporation wants them to appear) but bear in mind that unless telco made some totally outrageous demand, i.e. they want a hundred acres, have no intention of making it esthetically pleasing, and want to pay you a dollar for the whole thing, chances are the court will rule favorably for them, accepting their word and their evaluation of the whole matter. Understand also that a cellular phone tower way out in a farmer's field somewhere is not the same as a cellular tower situated on someone's front lawn in the town itself, or in the playground of a school or somewhere that the entire community has to look at it all day or where if it fell over in a storm or similar the community would be endangered. If telco says 'we are trying to work with the community in how we locate our facilities, keeping them out of general view and looking nice' then you know the court will give them what they want. With all the above to think about, make your counter-offer to telco, but do not get greedy or you will come out to be the loser. Telco has lots of experience in these matters. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Steve Riley Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:13:30 -0700 Crag Macbride writes: > Of course, the real answer is more configurable browers. Just configure > your browser to ignore all doubleclick.net addresses, for example. Simple. > If you are running your own proxy server, it's pretty easy to do this > already, much as the banner ad places _hate_ the idea, of course. Or you could add the names of known ad servers to your hosts file, and point to the localhost (127.0.0.1) as the IP address. This prevents the image from loading, thereby reducing bandwidth waste and saving a little time. Here is my current hosts file: 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.0.1 ads2.zdnet.com 127.0.0.1 newads.cmpnet.com 127.0.0.1 ads.msn.com 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.preferences.com 127.0.0.1 ads.x10.com 127.0.0.1 images.zdnet.com 127.0.0.1 www2.valueclick.com ... (www3 through www98 deleted to save space in this note) 127.0.0.1 www99.valueclick.com As I encounter new sites with ads, I right-click on the banner to see the server name that the image came from. As long as its a different server than the server I'm reading the page on, I add that server to my hosts file. Crude, but effective. Steve Riley Microsoft Telecommunications Practice in Denver, Colorado mailto:steriley@microsoft.com Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix From: craig@glasswings.com.au (Craig Macbride) Organization: Nyx Public Access Internet Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 05:45:20 GMT Our editor writes: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Everyone wants the government to do > everything for them. Not everything, just the things that government is there for. There are some things like privacy which can't work any other way. Big corporations want to be able to keep databases on your every move. If the creator of cookies had legal right to prevent organisations abusing their use, it would be totally meaningless, as he/she wouldn't have the millions of dollars required to prosecute all the big companies who want to! The _only_ people who can possibly take on the likes of Microsoft over most issues, including privacy, are the government. > That won't work! Look at the mess the government > has already made on the internet in places where they have started > getting involved. This is _not_ an internet issue, as such, it's a privacy issue. Whether big corporations are gathering that information via the internet or by some other means is utterly irrelevant. It is their right (or lack thereof) to gather it which is relevant. > When is the last time in a dispute between a netizen and a big > corporation over the use of a domain name that the courts ever ruled > in favor of the netizen? It doesn't happen. With that argument, you just blew your original suggestion out of the water! _I_ was the one saying that an individual doesn't have the resources to take on the big corporations, which is what your suggestion came down to. > I wish it were possible to ignore all doubleclick addresses, but there > are so many of them, keeping them all straight would be impossible. Who needs to keep them straight? Netscape's proxy, for example, can map regular expressions to something else. "http://ad.doubleclick.net." works fine to deal with all the doubleclick ads. Craig Macbride --------------------http://amarok.glasswings.com.au/~craig--------------- "It's a sense of humour like mine, Carla, that makes me proud to be ashamed of myself." - Captain Kremmen ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Phone Slamming - Who Can Authorize? Organization: GTE Internetworking, Cambridge, MA Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:55:01 GMT In article , Steven wrote: > That statement is ridiculous. People may get away with scams like > this, but that doesn't mean it is legal. I don't think he's saying it's legal, just that it's not the LEC's job to determine the veracity of the switching order. If someone makes a fraudulent claim that results in you being slammed, presumably that party is liable for fraud and any costs you incur to switch back. But the telco shouldn't have to eat the costs. > Let's put the shoe on the other foot. I call the guy and say I am > authorised to sell service on behalf of your company for a flat rate > of $1/month. I guess you should be obligated to provide it. After > all, he had every reason to believe that I was representing your > company. True, if someone sells you the Brooklyn Bridge, NYC isn't obliged to let you keep it. But they won't give you your money back, either. You have to find the con artist and try to get it from him. > In article , mjt@lcrtelecom.com > says ... >> Call the carrier and ask to listen to the verification tape. If the >> verification system asked whether (your wife) is authorized to make >> changes to the line, and she says "yes", then you don't have a lot of >> ground to stand on, as the carrier wouldn't know that she is not, and >> the name of the authorizer is *not* sent ot the LECs as part of the >> PIC request. >> My company is an LD reseller, and I handle provisioning, so this is >> pretty first hand. So, assuming that she did authorize it, it would >> be a legal switch. My suggestion is ask the LEC to put a PIC freeze >> on your account. Then only you can switch carriers. But you have to >> do it by calling the LEC yourself ... you can't authorize someone else >> to do it in your name. Barry Margolin, barmar@bbnplanet.com GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. ------------------------------ From: Peter_Simpson@ne.3com.com (Peter Simpson) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:48:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications Darwin Award - Northern Manitoba Signal Relay??? I strongly suspect this story is an urban legend. I can't find any trace of this organization. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a microwave tech with enough experience to be left alone on the night shift, who hadn't heard about the dangers of microwave energy on human tissue. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that it didn't happen last Christmas. Probably more like the 60's or 50's. Peter [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Please see the final item in this issue. Jeff Brielmaier located a recent source for this which would seem to make it real instead of just an urban legend. PAT] ------------------------------ From: michael@ablecomm.com (Michael N. Marcus) Subject: Re: Siemens 2420 Purchase - Any Thoughts??? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:02:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > I would like to see an "honest" rating system for cordless phone > systems, maybe like the car gas ratings of "city" and "highway". But even car ads that showed city and highway ratings, also said "your mileage may vary," and that line would certainly apply to phone testing. The distance advertising is a big problem. Panasonic claimed that their 2.4 gig cordlesses had longer range than 900meggers, but they were not as good as their own KX-TD7890 and KX- TSC970 (discontinued); and lots of dealers repeated the misinformation. I questioned one dealer about ignoring the 7890, and he said he left it out because it is not a "consumer product" (even tho it is readily available to any dealer that chooses to sell it.) We refer to the EnGenius as "multi-mile," and have posted our own test results on our sites, but we have people asking us for the "five-mile" cordless. If people would read the results of the test EnGenius contracted for (also on our sites) they would know that five mile range (without the external antenna) was achieved in a very specific circumstance, and sould quality was lousy at the extreme. Based on feedback from our customers, I think we can say that most real- world users will get good audio at half-mile to one mile without the external antenna, and good audio at two to five miles with the external antenna. The Engenius is an amazing phone, and many people will tolerate less than perfect audio at extreme distances, but it's important that potential purchases know what they are getting. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm,Inc. - www.ablecomm.com -- biggest source of Panasonic phone system info; discounts for do-it-yourselfers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:06:10 -0400 From: Jason Kowal Subject: Re: Does Data Traffic Exceed Voice? >> The statement that data traffic now exceeds voice in North America is >> repeated in just about every telecom presentation I hear these >> days. But no one cites a source for the claim. It seems to be >> accepted without question. >> I'm not saying data doesn't exceed voice -- I'm saying that I haven't >> seen any hard evidence either way, and no one seems to cite any. >> Which leads me to question whether the evidence exists. The main problem with measuring the voice/data crossover is that the two types of traffic are not counted the same way. A possible substitute for traffic measurements is capacity, which can be derived from circuit usage reports. Although conclusive statistics are not yet available, the crossover on U.S. long distance networks was anticipated by an influential 1997 analysis by two MIT researchers, Philip Mutooni (now with I.P. Phusion Technologies, Inc.), and Dr. David Tennenhouse in "Modeling the Communication Network's Transition to a Data-Centric Model" (http://ksgwww.harvard.edu/iip/iicompol/Papers/Mutooni.htm). In the Mutooni/Tennenhouse analysis, capacity figures are derived from the usage of trunk lines at selected AT&T and MCI points of presence (POPs). Evidence supporting other conclusions is not hard to find, however. According to A. Odlyzko of AT&T Labs, voice traffic on U.S. local exchange and long distance networks is still estimated to be several times the volume of data traffic. See A. Odlyzko, "The Internet and Other Networks: Utilization Rates and Their Implications" (http://www.research.att.com/~amo/doc/networks.html). Jason Kowal Managing Editor TeleGeography, Inc. http://www.telegeography.com ------------------------------ From: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk (Denis McMahon) Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:57:05 GMT Organization: E-Menu Ltd Reply-To: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:20:45 GMT, 141@wilkinsonsmith.com (Withheld Adrian) wrote: >> I am hearing through Philadelphia news media that new prohibition >> against use of cell phones at gas-station pumps is being posted, at >> least at Exxon company-owned stations. At least one of those sources >> says some foreign countries have such a prohibition. > The UK being one where you are not allowed to use radio transmitting > equipment, such as mobile phones, on gas station forecourts. > Also in London at the ticket office of the new high speed link to the > airport they have prohibited use of mobiles as they "upset" the ticket > booking systems! And in case you haven't noticed, those wonderful upholders of UK law (HM Constabulary) never seem to pay any attention to the regulation about RF transmitting equipment on forecourts. Regards, Denis McMahon denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk | All mail from some domains is Mob+44 802 468949 Tel/Fax+44 1705 698221 | deleted due to high UCE levels AXE-10 Engineer / Switch Tech? Join the AXE-10 Technical Mailing List. mailto:denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk for invite. No Agencies / Advertising. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jun 1999 15:10:47 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: How to Become an IXC, and SS7 Access Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > So, let's say I want to start an IXC. What do I need to do from a > regulatory standpoint? Is there a doc somewhere on the net "Dummy's > guide to becoming an IXC?" 1. Raise at least $250K. 2. Hire a good telecom lawyer. 3. Do what he says. > Also, do I need to be an IXC or LEC to have access to SS7, or can I > get access to the signaling system through other means? I believe you have to be a telco. > Finally, is access to SS7 required to switch a phone call? What I'd > like to do is let someone call my IVR system, press in a 4-digit code, > and then have the call forwarded off to some other number. If that > other number is a toll call, I want to originating caller to be > billed, not me, thus my need to "switch" the call using SS7 or some > other means. Oh, you want to put charges on other people's phone bills. That's cramming, unless your access is via a 500 or 900 number. I suggest it would be a good idea to rethink your plan and figure out some better way to bill your users, like prepaid cards or monthly credit card billing. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:58:53 -0700 From: Tyler Stewart Subject: Phone System Recommendations I am soliciting opinions on phone systems. Our company just added a second manufacturing facility (20-30 people). We received proposals for a phone system there and for our current facility (~96 port - 75 people). It's possible that we will have a different vendor's phone system at our new facility than we have at our current facility (Panasonic DBS). We are connecting the two voice and data networks via T1. We have received vendor proposals for a Panasonic 576 with ABS Talkx voice mail, NEC NEAX 2000 With AD 8 voice mail, and Nitsuko 384i with Teledata voice mail. I do not have a lot of experience with the different phone systems out there, so research has been a real chore. I especially like the NEC system and the Nitsuko system isn't bad either. I don't like the Panasonic system nor do I like the local vendor. What have been your experiences with these systems? If anyone uses or has used any of these systems, I would appreciate your opinion on the matter. Thanks a million! Tyler Stewart East Earth Herb stewart@eastearth.com ------------------------------ From: pete-weiss@psu.edu (Pete Weiss) Subject: Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:00:04 -0400 Organization: Penn State University -- Office of Administrative Systems On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 05:54:47 GMT, xoanan@bigfoot.com wrote: > My father currently lives on a farm in an area that has a party line. > They are the only party on the line, and he would like to be able to > access the internet. Is there is any possibility that there might be another party of the line *in the future* ? If so, will the other party be able to signal an emergency pre-empt? /Pete ------------------------------ From: jefferyab@nospam.netzero.net (Jeff Brielmaier) Subject: Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:30:54 GMT Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:55:37 -0500, Greg Monti wrote: > Each year, somebody (I've never seen it attributed) publishes on the > internet a list of people who died while doing really stupid things. > The concept is that the human gene pool is improved by these events. > Survival of the fittest. Darwinian evolution. Thus the Darwin > Awards. This year's posting had about ten deaths described, but this > was the best one, and the grand award winner. Try out http://www.darwinawards.com/ This appears to the "source". > THE 1998 DARWIN AWARD WINNER IS ... > THOMPSON, MANITOBA, CANADA. > Telephone relay company night watchman Edward Baker, 31, was killed > early Christmas morning by excessive microwave radiation exposure. He Filed under: Christmas Roast 1998 Darwin Awards Urban Legend Confirmed True by Darwin [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But please note earlier in this issue Peter Simpson says he can find no trace of the organization in Manitoba which is named in the article. Darwin says 'confirmed true' but how about some independent verification? PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #174 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Jun 28 22:20:06 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA14453; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906290220.WAA14453@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #175 TELECOM Digest Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:20:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 175 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! (Bill Horne) Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! (Lars Poulsen) For the Archivists (Robert D. Weller) Re: Providing Easement to Phone Company (John R. 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Dial-up on a Party Line! xoanan@bigfoot.com wrote: > My father currently lives on a farm in an area that has a party line. > They are the only party on the line, and he would like to be able to > access the internet. He tried a short while ago, but couldn't get the > computer to find a dial-tone. Dave, Your problem is *not* that you're on a party line: It's that your phone jacks aren't wired in the usual way. Go down to the cellar of your dad's house, and find the entrance cable (it might be at a "demarc" point outside). The two wires that come in from the pole are the "tip" and "ring" of the line. Your modem needs to connect to them. Follow these steps: 1. If the wire in the house is color coded, you should see the red lead going to one side of the line, and the green lead to the other. The yellow lead will probably be attached to ground. If this is NOT the case, LEAVE IT ALONE and go to step 4. Otherwise, step 2. 2. If the wire is as shown in (1), go to the jack where the phone is plugged in and see if the red wire from the RJ-11 jack goes to the red wire that comes from the cellar. Likewise, green and yellow. If this is not the case, LEAVE IT ALONE and go to step 4. Otherwise, step 3. 3. Borrow a standard set from someone WITHOUT party service, and make sure it's a current generation phone, e.g., a Western Electric "500" or "2500" series. Plug it into the jack near the computer. If you get a dial tone and can dial a local call, go to step 5. 4. If you have "brown" wiring, i.e., all the wires are the same color, go to step 11. If it's color coded, you have a non-standard wiring arrangement, probably because your installer had to change it in order to make the billing work right. Don't mess with it: just get a role of "JK" wire from RadShack and run another connection from the demarc to the computer. Get a voltmeter (it's really important, so borrow one if you have to) and check the polarity of the two wires coming from the pole. You should put the red lead on the incoming wire that has (about) 48 volts on it, the green lead on the other wire from the pole, and the yellow lead on the ground connection. Wire it the same way at the (new) jack, i.e., red-red, green-green, etc. Go to step 5. 5. At this point you know that you have a correctly wired jack at the computer. Plug in the "500" set you borrowed, and try to get a dial tone at the jack. If not, stop and call a technician: you may require special modem settings or have other problems. If you do get dialtone, and can dial OK, we need to find out if your dad is the "ring" or the "tip" party (If it's not a two party line, all bets are off, but I'll assume it is). Go to 6. 6. Open up the jack at your dad's computer if it isn't open already. Make sure there's another phone still plugged in somewhere that you can hear, and that it rings normally. Have someone call his number, and measure the AC voltage between the green and red wires while the phone is ringing: it might be about 80 to 100 volts AC, or you may see nothing. Go to 7. 7. If you see a AC voltage between tip and ring during ringing, you're done: your local provider is billing you at the party rate but giving you dedicated service. The modem should work OK at that jack. Otherwise, go to 8. 8. If you do NOT see anything from red to green, check from red to yellow and green to yellow. If you get a reading either way, you have confirmed that the line is set up for two party ringing. Go to 9. 9. If the voltage is from red to yellow, you're done. If the modem doesn't get a dial tone from that jack, call a technician. Go to 10 otherwise. 10. If the voltage is from green to yellow, your dad is the "tip" party on the line, and that means that you'll need to set up his modem for manual dialing. You should still be able to "bring up" dial tone with the modem, but if you try to dial with it, will either get an operator, a recording, or just dial tone again. This is because the "tip" party has their ringer connected from the "tip" lead to ground, both to keep it quiet when the "ring" party is getting a call, and TO IDENTIFY THE BILLED NUMBER ON OUTGOING CALLS. If your dad is the only customer on this line, and you dial with a phone (or modem) that isn't set up for tip party detect, the CO software marks the call as "dialed from disconnected party" and denies the connection. So long as your dad dials from the phone instead of the modem, he'll be fine. 11. For the older "uncoded" wire, where all the leads are the same color: buy an RJ-11 jack and separate the color coded wires from the '425' block (i.e. screw terminals) that comes with it. Find the demarcation point, and TEMPORARILY disconnect the wire that goes to ground (trace the ground wire to a water pipe or electric panel to be sure). Then go to the jack near the computer, and find out which two leads have voltage on them (be sure no phones are off the hook in the house). If MORE than two have voltage across them, quit and call a technician. The lead with the -48 volts on it is the ring, and the other one is the tip. Attach your RJ-11 jack in parrellel with it, so that the -48 is on the red (ring) lead, and the green is on the other wire. Connect the yellow lead to the third wire (the ground), and then go back and reattach the ground lead at the demarc. You should now read -48 between the red and yellow wires at the jack, as well as from red to green. Go to step 5. HTH. Bill Horne (remove ".nouce" from username to reply. Sorry.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:03:28 -0700 From: Lars Poulsen Subject: Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! xoanan@bigfoot.com wrote: > My father currently lives on a farm in an area that has a party line. > They are the only party on the line, and he would like to be able to > access the internet. He tried a short while ago, but couldn't get the > computer to find a dial-tone. The rules for party lines are very specific that modems may not be attached to party lines. He should convert to a full line. For educational purposes, attach a regular 10-dollar phone to the line. Does it get dial tone? If you punch a tone dial button, does the dial tone stop? If you continue entering dialing digits, will the call connect? If a call comes in while the standard telephone is attached, does it ring? If it does, and you pick up, does the call connect? If the answers to all of these is yes, a modem should also work. If not, the point at which the answers go from yes to no will help in determining how this line differs from a normal line. ------------------------------ Subject: For the Archivists From: rweller@h-e.com (Robert D. Weller, Hammett & Edison, Inc.) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:37:44 -0700 Organization: Hammett & Edison, Inc. My company is moving, and is cleaning out its library. Among the novelties headed for the dumpster are bound copies of the GTE Lenkurt Demodulator (1963- 1983) and bound copies of the General Radio Experimenter (1947-1970). Will ship for postage reimbursement. Please contact me directly if interested. Bob Weller rweller@h-e.com ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jun 1999 18:16:02 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Providing Easement to Phone Company Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > My family has property in rural Vermont and Bell Atlantic would like a > 30' x 30' easement to install a fiber optic cabinet (fiber to copper > SLC). The stated purpose is to accomodate increasing growth in demand > for phone service. The area is in the corner of a hayfield. It is > about 3 miles from the CO. Bell is offering $2000. You could try and bargain them up some, but that sounds about right for a cabinet that doesn't impair other uses of your field. I think that half the farms in Vermont have utility easements of one sort or another. When I owned a wood lot in the Northeast Kingdom, there were several. Keep in mind that if you give them a hard time, they could take you to court and use eminent domain to force an easement from you at a price set by the court. > Where would I do research to see if this is an appropriate amount? Try asking the PUC people in Montpelier. They're pretty reasonable. > Should we ask for some free phone lines too? Also, members of the > family are concerned about the possibility of sitting a cell tower > nearby. Would it be reasonable to include language in the contract > barring them from using these fiber optic facilities to serve any > wireless service providers? No. Bell is a common carrier, they have to serve anyone who asks them. Actually, I'd think that a cell tower in a corner of my rural hayfield would be great. The health risks are zero (the total power is about a hundred watts, compared to the 10 to 100 kilowatts that a broadcast station uses) and you can get rents of a thousand bucks a month. If you get one, make sure that you require that they let other carriers co-locate and that you get a share of the colo rentals. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Providing Easement to Phone Company Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:06:45 -0400 Organization: Cable slingers and toy users Reply-To: dale@cybercom.net Jeremy Greene wrote: > Can anyone comment on the legal (or any other) implications of > providing an easement on your property for the phone company's use? My > family has property in rural Vermont and Bell Atlantic would like a > 30' x 30' easement to install a fiber optic cabinet (fiber to copper > SLC). The stated purpose is to accomodate increasing growth in demand > for phone service. The area is in the corner of a hayfield. It is > about 3 miles from the CO. Bell is offering $2000. Well, unless they are burying the thing, you won't be able to grow stuff there anymore, I suggest an lease or selling it outright. The easement means that they pay you once and they have those rights forever. Or is the easement for access to a cabinet that is being built on land owned by somebody else? If the land is being taken out of production for the foreseeable future, then you should sell or long term lease the land. Also check the language on the lease to see if it obligates you to do anything else. Things like keeping the access road plowed and repaired year round. Something like that pushes it to the long term lease being more preferable. Remember, the easement is nearly forever. An accaintance of mine bought an old house in a town adjacent to Boston. There was nothing on the deed about a phone company easment. He needed to put in lots of phone lines. (Ultimately eight POTS lines and two T-1s) He noticed in the basement that he had a 24 pair cable coming in, that the existing phone service came in on. He smiles and figures that he is all set. Nope. When he ordered more lines, he was told that there was no available pairs on his street. He says "There is 23 pairs more coming into my basement." Those are available. To make a long story short, the cable in his basement was the point for all the phone service on his end of the street. So after much to-ing and fro-ing, he dresses up in his weirdest clothes, has a couple of prospective housemates also dress up weird, and they follow the wires from his house to all his neihbors and introduces himself, and apologizes in advance in case their phone service is disrupted by the remodeling. This causes the neighbors to ask why, and the story comes out. Enough of them are outraged by the fact that they could have been eavesdropped easily and call the telco, the city council, and mayor. *grin* The telco put in new outside plant cable in just a few weeks later to the street, And had to give up their easment into his basement, which had been in place from sometime in the 1800s. --Dale [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: In older neighborhoods in large cities like Chicago, you will find numerous examples of boxes in basements (mostly of older highrise apartment buildings) which serve the phones in other buildings up and down the street. There is a lot of history behind how those situations came to be, but it invariably goes back to an era when 'things were different' in society. Fifty years ago -- and much of telco's outside plant goes back that far -- wooden boxes with a simple latch on the door would be located in an apartment building. Sufficient pairs on the cable to serve the switchboard for the building (there were 'house pairs' from that point to the various apartments) would be attached there, and the cable then taken along to the building next door and its switchboard, etc. There was a very large building boom in the 1920-30's in Chicago, when most of the older highrises still around today were constructed, and even though in their foresight at the time, there were lots of spare pairs in the cables, which were multipled, or opened at each location to allow for 'all the expansion which would ever be needed', they had no idea of the changes in phone usage which would occur by 1960-70. Up until about that time, every highrise apartment building with few exceptions had a 'front desk' clerk and a switchboard. Rarely did a tenant in the building have a 'private, direct' phone. Most of those buildings also offered maid service to the tenants. As society changed and the financial circumstances changed for the owners of the buildings, the first thing they did was drop the maid service. Over a period of about ten years beginning in the middle 1960's the next thing they got rid of were the front desk clerks and the switchboards. If a tenant wanted phone service, let them get it direct from telco. Where telco previously used only ten or twelve pairs to serve the switchboard, now they had to rewire those basement boxes to come up with fifty or sixty pairs for the tenants. Typically the 'house pairs' were just wired straight through to the cable pairs, but it took some creativity moving spare pairs around up and down the street to get the job done. I lived in a building in 1978, which until 1965 had used a switch- board. The building was originally constructed in 1915, with an additional section of twelve more apartments added in 1929. The box in the basement was a *huge* wooden cabinet with numbered strips indicating which cable pair was attached where, and the interesting item was a group of pairs terminating on one of the strips which were bundled together and vanished down into a metal conduit that went into the basement floor. They were held together with some string tied around them and a little tag on the string. In the most exquisite, 1930-ish handwriting, still quite legible, was the message 'these 25 pairs are all terminated in the new building at (street address a block away), on the switchboard, June 15, 1931' ... and signed by a telco installer, long since dead I am sure, who followed Bell System rules by making sure the pairs were properly identified. That building a block away pulled out its switchboard at least 25 years ago also. Most people who live in large, inner-city neighborhoods would be outraged if they knew how many places around the neighborhood their phone pair was available in the basement of some other old building. The reason they do not know however is because telco operates under the same theory as early Unix sysadmins: (let's all say it together in unison) "Security through obscurity". Which of your neighbors has even the vaguest idea, the foggiest notion, of how telco operates? How many of them even care? Perhaps readers will recall an article I published here in the Digest about ten years ago. It was and is my all-time favorite easement story. In a Chicago suburb, a man and his wife operated a telephone answering service from their home for about twenty years, during the 1960-80 time period. They retired, died, whatever, sold the house and went out of business. A woman buys the house and moves in. She makes what was the former work area for the answering service into one of her bedrooms. She gets curious about a 'strange looking box' in one of the closets which appears that it had not been opened for at least ten years and in fact was stuck shut because it had been painted. She manages to get it to come open after prying it with a screw driver, and finds 'dozens of wires' inside, as she later reported to the {Chicago Tribune}. The Tribune's investigation found out about the answering service which had been located there years before, and furthermore, that Illinois Bell **had easement rights to that closet in her bedroom** granted to them back in the answering service days. The answering service dated from an era when all such services had a literal pair of wires from each subscriber, like an 'extension phone', where the subscriber's pairs in the central office were 'jumped' or bridged to pairs which went out to the answering service premises. If the service got a new customer, all telco had to do to hook it up was come out to that box in the answering service office (now the lady's bedroom) and swap a couple of wires, and do the corresponding switch of wires at the central office. Now in more recent years, those pairs were in use all over the immediate vicinity. Most of the neighbors had never heard of the answering service, it having been gone for years before they moved in the area. So technically, telco had easement rights in that lady's bedroom to come and go as they wished, although someone at Illinois Bell said they had forgotten about that junction box also, which is why it had not been opened in years. Telco went out and cut off the under- ground where it entered the house with all those pairs and and relocated the rest of the neighborhood. The times certainly change. New telco outside plant is much more secure, but it will be many years before all of the older stuff has been replaced. PAT] ------------------------------ From: nospam@elmhurst.msg.net (nospam) Subject: Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn Date: 28 Jun 1999 16:34:12 -0500 Organization: MSG.Net, Inc. In article , Hudson Leighton wrote: > What about one of those "free" GeoCities type websites? > I could set one of those up and it would run for a few days until > GeoCities or whoever takes it down, and would anybody be able to find > me? > Use a Hotmail account from some cyber cafe or the local public library. Hotmail, etc will eventually ban an entire library or internet cafe after this sort of activity. I've seen it happen to public libraries. > I should be able to keep doing "new" sites and more "new" sites till > the cows come home or they stop allowing new sites. Except that the hosting provider will wise up and put the keywords for your particular content into their automated scans. > Especially if I had a bunch of them already reserved/set up and all I > had to do was turn them on as the old ones were shut down. Would they > be looking for trouble from "established" users, or would they be > looking for new users. Systems like Geocities depend mostly on complaints, but also run automated scans on all pages for specific keywords -- free site hosting services would be more interested in how new the _page_ is, rather than how long the user has been a member ... The free web site services have been known to disconnect 'established' users who have had their page up for years, with no warning, due to a sudden rash of complaints or surge in traffic. ------------------------------ From: Sean Maher Subject: Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:34:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. In article , support@sellcom.com wrote: > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock) spake thusly and wrote: >> First, unlike a print publisher, how hard is it to find the actual >> location and owner of a web site? When someone registers their http >> address, is there a verified physical address and person associated >> with it? Is there an enforcement authority in case of abuse? > Generally a web site will be registered as a domain and their > information would be available at http://www.networksolutions.com > Even if they set up as anon, someone is paying the bill and their > identity is only one subpoena away if they are doing something illegal > or tortious etc ... Related question: I've recently gotten a number of spams which include web addresses which are totally numeric- no letters, no dots, and no .com. For example, one message included the address http://3626046468/. This isn't a domain name, or an IP address ... what is it? How do I gets its DNS info? Anyone who can tell me would be boosting my spam-busting abilities. sean@smasher.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Banks In Bed With California Tax Board Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:10:55 -0400 Foreshadowing an ominous national system, some California banks have begun sharing data on all of their customers as part of an effort to snare deadbeat dads. http://www.privacytimes.com/Stories/cali_tax_6_23.htm ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: GE Survey Secretly 'Brought Good Names To Light' Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:13:10 -0400 June 4, 1999 GE Investments, the insurance and investments division of the General Electric Company, secretly recorded the identity of thousands of investors who responded to a 1998 mail survey of their personal financial information, a Privacy Times investigation has discovered. The survey did not ask respondents to provide their name and address. http://www.privacytimes.com/ge.htm ------------------------------ From: raphael@cs.mcgill.ca (Louis Raphael) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:40:58 -0400 EDT Subject: Re: Someone is Going Around in Circles Here ... HELP! Organization: Societe pour la promotion du petoncle vert If they're all from the "computer2000.co.uk" site, you could always block that one off (procmail, or whatever you use) temporarily. Send a note to their postmaster advising them of that fact -- at worst, it'll affect one or two subscribers, but it won't make your life hell. Louis "Appeasers are those who would feed the crocodile in hopes that he would eat them last." -- Winston Churchill ------------------------------ From: rjenkins@cix.compulink.co.uk (Jolyon Jenkins) Subject: Nineteenth Century Phone Health Scare? Organization: Compulink Information eXchange Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:14:18 GMT I'm making a BBC radio documentary about technological phobias, and read the following in a German book (translated into English), "Science as History" (1960): "In the 1880s, German doctors issued warnings against the pleasures of telephones, and proved statistically that the mortality of telephone subscribers was three times that of other people, since phones caused diseases of the brain, chest, and nerves" Has anyone ever come across this story before? Or does anyone know of a German historian of the telephone, who speaks English and is contactable by email? ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:23:13 -0400 TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to Jeff Brielmaier: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But please note earlier in this issue > Peter Simpson says he can find no trace of the organization in Manitoba > which is named in the article. Darwin says 'confirmed true' but how > about some independent verification? PAT] Here is a question: The report stated that for the Christmas rush, they "increased the power of the microwave" without telling the repairman. Don't microwave links operate at fixed power settings? Or do they actually vary the power based on weather conditions? Is it not correct to state that the traffic levels does not affect the actual power settings of the MW antennas? ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #175 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Jun 29 02:05:04 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA22642; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:05:04 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906290605.CAA22642@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #176 TELECOM Digest Tue, 29 Jun 99 02:05:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 176 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Mental Health Worker's Alleged Calls to Psychic Cost $120,000 (Tad Cook) Re: Providing Easement to Phone Company (Jeremy Greene) Re: Providing Easement to Phone Company (Danny Burstein) Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! (xoanan@my-deja.com) Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! (Ed Ellers) Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Jay Hennigan) Any Other Phone Racers? (Steve Winters) Qwest: Raising My Intrastate Rates and Imposing Fees (Mike Beaty) Re: Questions on Possible Modem Power Surge Damage (Daniel W. Johnson) Re: How to Become an IXC, and SS7 Access (Steven J. Sobol) Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn (David Wilson) For Sale: Voysys 100 Voice Mail $100 (C. Blackburn) For Sale: 4 Port Dialogic D41/D Card (John Faber) Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecom (David Koltermann) Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecom (Jay Hennigan) Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecom (Eric Levy-Myers) Darwin Award Lawsuit (Jonathan Goldberg) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Mental Health Worker's Alleged Calls to Psychic Cost $120,000 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:48:31 PDT From: tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook) Mental health worker's alleged calls to psychic hotlines run up $120,000 tab LOS ANGELES (AP) -- It would seem a psychic worth her aura would have warned county mental health worker Cheryl Burnham that trouble was headed her way. Ms. Burnham, who allegedly rang up a $120,000 tab with about 2,500 calls on county telephones to various psychic hotlines, could be sentenced to more than four years in prison if convicted of felony grand theft and commercial burglary. The 39-year-old Antelope Valley woman pleaded innocent in Superior Court on April 26 and trial was set for July 16. It was unclear how Ms. Burnham, if she made the calls, figured she could escape detection. "There's a lot of things to wonder about this case," Deputy District Attorney Robert Dver said Monday. "She has no prior record, so it's unlikely in the extreme that she would get the maximum sentence," Dver said. If convicted, she probably will be ordered to pay back the cost of the calls, he said. Ms. Burnham's attorney, Deputy Public Defender E. John Myers, refused to discuss the case, other than to say he doubted the prosecution could prove she made all the calls. The phone calls allegedly were made at night and on weekends between June 1997 and November 1998 from McClaren Hall in El Monte. Ms. Burnham was a clerk at the juvenile offender facility. The calls were traced back to her work area, said Marion Romeis, head of the special investigations unit of the county auditor-controller's office. The calls were discovered during a routine audit. "We had been aware of the problem for a while, but we let her continue because we had to catch her at it," said Ms. Romeis, who called the county phone misuse the most egregious she could recall. The calls, mostly to a single psychic hotline authorities refused to identify, were monitored during times when Ms. Burnham was known to be the only one in her area at a given time, the auditor-controller investigator said. Most county phones are blocked to prevent calls to unauthorized area codes. But the psychic hotline calls weren't immediately detected because a computer modem line was apparently used, circumventing the regular phone system. Modem lines are dedicated to computers and fax machines and didn't require supervision, until the Burnham case. "It's something that didn't need to go through the system at the time. Needless to say, that's changed," said David Meyer, chief deputy director of the Department of Mental Health. ------------------------------ From: Jeremy Greene Subject: Re: Providing Easement to Phone Company Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:58:26 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Dale Farmer wrote: > Jeremy Greene wrote: >> Can anyone comment on the legal (or any other) implications of >> providing an easement on your property for the phone company's use? My >> family has property in rural Vermont and Bell Atlantic would like a >> 30' x 30' easement to install a fiber optic cabinet (fiber to copper >> SLC). The stated purpose is to accomodate increasing growth in demand >> for phone service. The area is in the corner of a hayfield. It is >> about 3 miles from the CO. Bell is offering $2000. > Well, unless they are burying the thing, you won't be able to grow > stuff there anymore, I suggest an lease or selling it outright. > The easement means that they pay you once and they have those rights > forever. Or is the easement for access to a cabinet that is being > built on land owned by somebody else? If the land is being taken > out of production for the foreseeable future, then you should sell > or long term lease the land. Also check the language on the lease > to see if it obligates you to do anything else. Things like > keeping the access road plowed and repaired year round. Something > like that pushes it to the long term lease being more preferable. > Remember, the easement is nearly forever. Actually, my family doesn't use the field for anything; it's not a farm anymore. So it has no commercial value to us. The cabinet will be located on the easement; there's no other landowner involved. The field abuts a public road. There is a creek/drainage ditch between the field and the road. It's actually going to be a neat little piece of engineering -- the utility poles are on the other side of the road. So the fiber will come down the pole, under the road in a conduit, and then there will be a footbridge across the ditch which the conduit will presumably be attached to. The conduit will continue underground, through a hedgerow, and ends at the edge of the field. The SLC and associated equipment will sit on a concrete platform and little trees will be planted around the whole apparatus. Bell's trucks will park in a small area of grass off the road. Bell says they will take responsibility for maintaining access. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: > Most people who live in large, inner-city neighborhoods would be > outraged if they knew how many places around the neighborhood their > phone pair was available in the basement of some other old building. > The reason they do not know however is because telco operates under > the same theory as early Unix sysadmins: (let's all say it together > in unison) "Security through obscurity". Which of your neighbors has > even the vaguest idea, the foggiest notion, of how telco operates? > How many of them even care? It's not just in old buildings either. A fairly new building I used to work in had a 150-pair cable that terminated in a utility closet accessible to my company. When a business in the building disconnected a line, Bell Atlantic might show up to undo the cross-connect in the telephone room, but they would never disconnect the splice up on the utility pole where the 150-pair meets the main feeder cable. So whoever gets assigned that pair is probably unaware that their line is bridge-tapped in my building and perhaps several other buildings as well. Seems like poor plant management to do things that way, but I guess it saves time and money. Kind of like the way that they don't bother putting locks on the large terminal cabinets that sit next to the roadway, even though the door to the cabinet is designed to be locked. -Jeremy [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There is one thing you said a few paragraphs above that I feel you should **never say again** to anyone. That was your line, 'It has no commercial value to us'. If telco finds out that is how you feel about it, then that is exactly the amount they will want to pay. :) PAT] ------------------------------ From: dannyb@panix.com (Danny Burstein) Subject: Re: Providing Easement to Phone Company Date: 28 Jun 1999 23:17:18 -0400 In Jeremy Greene writes: > Can anyone comment on the legal (or any other) implications of > providing an easement on your property for the phone company's use? My > family has property in rural Vermont and Bell Atlantic would like a > 30' x 30' easement ... [snip] In addition to the points raised by our Esteemed Moderator, I'd suggest a sunset period to the easement. Otherwise you may find yourself, or your heirs, facing a mess twenty or fifty years from now. I would guess that something like a ten year cap would probably be a realistic starting point. ____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ From: xoanan@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:39:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Not that I am aware of. It's been this way for quite some time, and all I assume the rest of the neighboroughs have the phone lines they need ... there is no possibity of further development in the area (at least for some time). Of course, they certainly like to take the precautions needed if there ever was another party added. Dave > Is there is any possibility that there might be another party of the > line *in the future* ? If so, will the other party be able to signal > an emergency pre-empt? ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:54:07 -0400 Lars Poulsen (lpoulsen@utilicom.com) wrote: > The rules for party lines are very specific that modems may not be > attached to party lines. That depends on the state and the telco's tariffs. BellSouth in Kentucky has been installing special devices on party line drops that allow the use of normal single-line telephone products, allowing proper ANI for billing and blocking the "other" party's ringing. (Too bad they aren't as good at getting digital line carrier to work properly as they are at making party lines bearable!) The only other problem I can see with modem use on a party line is the requirement that one yield the line if another party needs it for an emergency call, but since almost any modem I know of (aside from old 300 baud jobs) will dump automatically if voice appears on the line I don't see a real difficulty. ------------------------------ From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:39:51 GMT Organization: Avtel Communications On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:09:57 -0500, Dave O'Shea wrote: > Added a 'cron' job: > 27 5 * * * rm /home/dos/.netscape/cookies ; touch > /home/dos/.netscape/cookies Better ... > 27 5 * * * cp /dev/null /home/dos/.netscape/cookies > (Basically, at 5:27am every day, when I am guaranteed to have a death-grip > on the pillow, all cookies are purged from the system, and the file is > re-created to avoid confusing Netscape too much.) But you're still making it too complicated. My netscape works very happily with the following: ln -s /dev/null /home/jay/.netscape/cookies (Cheerfully eat the cookie and put it in the bit bucket immediately.) > Wintel machine: > I've got Norton Program Scheduler (comes with NAV), that runs a two-line > batch file once a day: > del \windows\cookies\*.txt > del \windows\cookies\*.dat del \windows\cookies\* (Puke up all your cookies). attrib +r \windows\cookies (Now keep your mouth shut permanently.) And I don't do business with SpAmazon, so I never get their cookies in the first place. Jay Hennigan jay@west.net 805-884-6323 WestNet: Internet service to Santa Barbara, Ventura and the world. ------------------------------ From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winters) Subject: Any Other Phone Racers? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 03:21:39 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com I was just wondering if there are any other phone systems in the "race" as it were with the Siemens 2420/2402 Gigaset and the EnGenius .5 mile SN900 Ultra (not that these are really comparable with each other). These each seem unique in the market, the Siemens for its features with a "practical" usable office/ home office range and the EnGenius with it's ability to really work well at .5 mile ranges (they must have forgotten the "." in front of the "5" in their advertising). But regardless of the (gona be real polite here) "optimistic" advertising by both companies, they appear to be the hottest products out and without any real competition. Anyone know of anything else that even comes close in features or range? I have heard of a Brother 4line system coming soon, but I don't believe that range is one of its goals. Thanks, Steve Winter http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM ------------------------------ Subject: Qwest: Raising My Intrastate Rates and Imposing Fees Organization: Boulder Rural Fire Department From: mbeaty@nyx10.nyx.net (Mike Beaty) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:04:17 GMT OUCH! Qwest just jacked up my in-state rates by 50% without notifying me. *AND* they added a $1.93 fee per line, again without notification. This meant that for me, with two lines, my new monthly fee is $3.86. My June bill went up *over* 100% from what I would have been charged in May. This is due to my in-state calls and the new fees. Needless to say, I'm looking for another long-distance carrier. I advise all Qwest customers to look at their bills and see if the same is true for them. When I initially signed up with Qwest, the telemarketer said that I'd have 10 cents/minute and no monthly fees for as long as I was a customer. Now it appears there are exceptions to this promise. Living in Colorado, my in-state rate went from 10 to 15 cents a minute. Out-of-state remained at 10 cents/minute. Can anyone recommend a long-distance supplier which: * Has no monthly minimum * Charges no monthly fee * Has 10 cents/minute for interstate and intrastate calls (lower rates would be fine ;-) 24 hours/day, 7 days/week. Note that this described the plan I had from Qwest until this month. Qwest says that the new access line charge of $1.93/line is FCC-mandated. Hmmmph. Sounds like revenue generation to me. And they say that their new in-state rate plan is fixed -- originally, they said that it had been 15 cents/minute "forever," until I pointed out that it was still 10 cents/minute on my previous month's bill. They did agree to make a one-time adjustment to my bill -- but not for the $1.93/line fee. When I asked the customer service rep I spoke with to recommend a good alternative long-distance carrier, she said that she uses AT&T ;-). She also reminded me that I can choose one provider for in-state and another for intrastate calls. If I do that, might I get four access charges: one for each line from two different companies? No thanks ... So, Qwest is likely to lose a long-time customer, at least relative to how long they've been providing long-distance service. Glad that I don't own Qwest stock (which has seen a recent dramatic fall in value ;-). Mike ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Questions on Possible Modem Power Surge Damage From: panoptes@iquest.net (Daniel W. Johnson) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:29:40 -0500 Robert Hancock wrote: > I am just wondering how common this occurrence is. The modem responds > perfectly to AT commands, but when you type ATH1 (off hook) only > silence is heard. Anybody have something like this happen to them? Yes, although in my case it was ATH0 that had no effect after the storm. The most likely affected component would be a relay, but I have no idea what it would take to replace it. Daniel W. Johnson panoptes@iquest.net http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/ 039 53 36 N / 086 11 55 W ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J Sobol) Subject: Re: How to Become an IXC, and SS7 Access Date: 29 Jun 1999 03:22:42 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.4NET On 28 Jun 1999 15:10:47 -0400, johnl@iecc.com allegedly said: >> like to do is let someone call my IVR system, press in a 4-digit code, >> and then have the call forwarded off to some other number. If that >> other number is a toll call, I want to originating caller to be >> billed, not me, thus my need to "switch" the call using SS7 or some >> other means. > Oh, you want to put charges on other people's phone bills. That's > cramming, unless your access is via a 500 or 900 number. > I suggest it would be a good idea to rethink your plan and figure out > some better way to bill your users, like prepaid cards or monthly > credit card billing. I am investigating Subscriber Billing options for ISP and cellular/ paging charges for my customers. This is completely legal. If you set up subscriber billing, your customer arranges to pay for certain services to be charged to his phone bill by giving you his phone number and agreeing to pay the charges to the LEC, which basically acts as a collections agent. The big benefit to your customer is that if they have a phone line, they don't have to worry about having good enough credit or needing a credit card to pay you. Definitely a selling point. I initially talked to Ameritech, but their minimums were too high, and my contact at Ameritech directed me to some third-party processors. The third-party processors have the advantage that they have agreements with more than one LEC. Note that they may not necessarily have agreements with all of the newer CLECs, although if most of your customers use a Baby Bell for your phone service, that's not really a concern. Also note that no matter who you go with, there will be monthly minimums, and they may be significant. One company said there is a $15K monthly minimum billing, and that if I bill less than that through them in a given month, I'll have to pay them the difference. [To the original poster:] I can dig up names and numbers if you'd like them. North Shore Technologies: We don't just build websites. We build relationships. (But not with spammers. Spammers get billed a minimum of $1000 for cleanup!) 888.480.4NET [active now, forwards to my pager] - 216.619.2NET [as of 7/1/99] Proud host of the Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail - www.spamfree.org ------------------------------ From: david@uow.edu.au (David Wilson) Subject: Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn Date: 29 Jun 99 04:23:51 GMT Organization: University of Wollongong, Australia Sean Maher writes: > Related question: I've recently gotten a number of spams which include > web addresses which are totally numeric- no letters, no dots, and no > .com. For example, one message included the address http://3626046468/. > This isn't a domain name, or an IP address ... what is it? How do I > gets its DNS info? Anyone who can tell me would be boosting my > spam-busting abilities. It is an IP address. An IP (version 4) address is a 32 bit number, usually expressed as a dotted quad. The number you give above is 216.33.20.4 (west.angelfire.com) expressed as a decimal integer. David Wilson School of IT & CS, Uni of Wollongong, Australia david@uow.edu.au ------------------------------ From: Chris Blackburn Reply-To: gern@teleport.com Organization: NWR Subject: For Sale: Voysys 100 Voice Mail $100 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:56:33 -0700 I have one unit that came off-lease. The company did not send the power supply with this unit. The model is 100, Software is 1.6H. Hardware version is 2100004-29. Looks like this is a 4 port voice mail system. 5 prong power supply. Unit should be in working condition, SOLD AS-IS. Please email or call. Here is a picture of this unit. http://www.teleport.com/~hmwilson/voysys.jpg Please make an offer if this is not a fair price. Chris Blackburn NW Remarketing ------------------------------ From: John Faber Subject: For Sale: 4 Port Dialogic D41/D Card. Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:18:29 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com Great Card for Voice Applications - 400.00 / obo Contact me via email - jfaber@isp.net ------------------------------ From: kol@netcom.ca (David Koltermann) Subject: Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:43:40 GMT Organization: Netcom Canada Dear Pat and Friends: I checked the "Darwin Awards" web-site and this story (Christmas Roast) is to be found in a section labelled: "These stories are apocryphal". The story itself is labelled somewhat confusingly: "1998 Darwin Awards Urban Legend Confirmed True by Darwin". I live in Canada. I have never heard of any organization called the "Northern Manitoba Signal Relay". I searched for it on the web using various engines and directories and there doesn't seem to be any such organization. Telecommunications in Canada until recently was a highly concentrated industry dominated by Bell Canada Enterprises in the most populous provinces, with large provincial monopolies (some government some private) operating in the West and East. There are very few other organizations likely to operate microwave in the North, the former CNCP Telecommunications (now part of Callnet d.b.a. Sprint Canada) being the most notable. Maybe NMSR did exist once, but I really doubt it. It's probably just a made up name. All the microwave towers and installations I have seen have been unmanned and unguarded. I too doubt that power levels are increased in response to expected traffic increases, and in any case, Christmas voice traffic would not be routed through Northern Manitoba! Does anyone find the names of the people involved interesting? victim: Edward BAKER NMSR spokesperson: Tanya COOKE other guard: John BURNS There are a lot of stories of people being "cooked" by microwaves, many regarding military radar etc ... Sci.electronics.design had a discussion of these a month or so ago. While such a thing is possible, most of the stories told on s.e.d were judged "tall-tales". No one reliable could track any of them to confirmable sources. If anyone feels the need to track this story further, it was reportedly submitted by: Gary Nach. I obviously consider it a complete fabrication. >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But please note earlier in this issue >> Peter Simpson says he can find no trace of the organization in Manitoba >> which is named in the article. Darwin says 'confirmed true' but how >> about some independent verification? PAT] > Here is a question: > The report stated that for the Christmas rush, they "increased the > power of the microwave" without telling the repairman. > Don't microwave links operate at fixed power settings? Or do they > actually vary the power based on weather conditions? > Is it not correct to state that the traffic levels does not affect the > actual power settings of the MW antennas? ------------------------------ From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:55:02 GMT Organization: Avtel Communications On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:55:37 -0500, Greg Monti wrote: > THE 1998 DARWIN AWARD WINNER IS ... Take a look at the names of the individuals involved. It's a fake. Jay Hennigan jay@west.net 805-884-6323 -- WestNet: Internet service to Santa Barbara, Ventura and the world. ------------------------------ From: Eric_Levy-Myers@amsinc.com (Eric Levy-Myers) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:01:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications Organization: American Management Systems There seem to be competing darwin awards sites, e.g. officaldarwinawards. com Try out www.urbanlegends.com. No mention of Mr. Baker is not true. For a guy who takes urban legends too seriously, check out http://www.cardhouse.com/rocketcar/ROCKIT.HTML. He analyzes the famous darwin award "rocket car" urban legend with way too much detail -- though you engineers will love it. elm ------------------------------ From: Jonathan_Goldberg@mastercard.com Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:36:59 -0500 Subject: Darwin Award Lawsuit In TELECOM Digest V19_#172 TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to the item submitted by Greg Monti (referring to a communication worker who supposedly got fried by a microwave tower under particularly stupid circumstances): > The story Greg Monti quotes above does not say if the family of > the deceased filed suit or not because of the loss of their loved > one. I assume they did; that is the way things are done these days > in most places. PAT] No. Since the whole thing never happened. Aside from the fact that by the time you feel warm from a microwave your brains have been coagulated into jello, stop and think about the claim that power on the microwave link was increased by ten to accommodate an expected traffic surge. Even if the equipment had been built to do take such a power increase (bah!), extra power does not let a microwave link handle more traffic. That takes extra bandwidth; more power would just send the same channel capacity farther. Something you actually know perfectly well ... [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But it was a great story and fun while it lasted though, wasn't it! :) PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #176 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Jun 29 14:49:43 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA15969; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:49:43 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906291849.OAA15969@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #177 TELECOM Digest Tue, 29 Jun 99 14:49:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 177 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson The Brooklyn Bridge is Not For Sale (Joey Lindstrom) Two (Count 'em!) Two Replies in One! (Joey Lindstrom) Vegetation Interference with Cellular (Dave Stott) Speaking of Easements (Paul Wills) Re: Providing Easement to Phone Company (belfert@foshay.citilink.com) More on Weak GSM Encryption (ahoerter@netcom13.netcom.com) Re: Qwest: Raising My Intrastate Rates and Imposing Fees (Jim Van Nuland) Please Explain Clear Channel Operation (Alonzo Alcazar) Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! (Thor Lancelot Simon) Free Long Distance Over the Internet! (TELECOM Digest Editor) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:11:21 -0600 Reply-To: Joey Lindstrom Subject: The Brooklyn Bridge is Not For Sale On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:46:14 -0400 (EDT), Barry Margolin wrote: >> That statement is ridiculous. People may get away with scams like >> this, but that doesn't mean it is legal. > I don't think he's saying it's legal, just that it's not the LEC's job > to determine the veracity of the switching order. If someone makes a > fraudulent claim that results in you being slammed, presumably that > party is liable for fraud and any costs you incur to switch back. But > the telco shouldn't have to eat the costs. >> Let's put the shoe on the other foot. I call the guy and say I am >> authorised to sell service on behalf of your company for a flat rate >> of $1/month. I guess you should be obligated to provide it. After >> all, he had every reason to believe that I was representing your >> company. > True, if someone sells you the Brooklyn Bridge, NYC isn't obliged to > let you keep it. But they won't give you your money back, either. > You have to find the con artist and try to get it from him. If someone sells me the Brooklyn Bridge, presumably by the time I find out I've been had, I'm already out the money -- it has BEEN PAID. In this scenario, though, you seem to be saying that the consumer who got slammed should pay the telco and then go after the sleaze who slammed him to recover those costs. I sure hope I'm misunderstanding you, because this position has a whole stack of precedent stacked against it. First off, the consumer played no ACTIVE role here. Therefore he has no liability and cannot be held liable to pay those charges by the telco. It was the TELCO that got ripped off, not the consumer. On two occasions, I was billed (on my Visa card) for web services by web presence providers (NetNation and Digital Chainsaw) long after I'd cancelled my accounts with them. In the case of NetNation, I phoned 'em up, politely explained the situation, and very quickly got their drone to agree that this was an accounting error, and (this really astounded me) the charge was reversed THE SAME DAY. Things didn't go so well with Digital Chainsaw. At first, they would not acknowledge having received my cancellation -- which was odd, because they'd gone to the trouble of disconnecting my service. Finally they admitted they HAD cancelled my service but had NOT billed my Visa -- this despite the fact that I was holding in my hands a Visa statement clearly showing the charge. I even faxed it to them, and that was the point at which they decided they didn't want to talk to me anymore. I gave them one more week to sort it out, then checked with my bank. Nope, the charge was still there. So I explained the situation to the bank, and they sent me a form to fill out disputing the charge (and affirming that I had not ordered the goods or services billed). I filled it out, mailed it off, and the bank reversed the charge. End of story. If the bank is "out" anything on the deal, that's their problem and part of the risk they take -- it's what they do to earn the usurious rates they charge on their credit cards (not to mention the percentage they gouge out of the sellers). I didn't ask anybody to put these charges on my bill, just as (in the above scenario) the consumer didn't ask to change LD carriers. They're exactly analogous situations. However, things get a tad hazier if the consumer actually USES any of the new LD carrier's services, but given the fact that the switch was fraudulent, and that the consumer was unaware of the change, I can't see how the consumer could be expected to pay the slammer, even if a bill of hundreds of dollars was racked up. If my bank decides to raise my credit card interest rates but does NOT inform me, I am under no obligation to pay those higher rates even though I used their service to spend next month's rent money on new computer gadgets. :-) The essence of tort law is that all parties to a contract must go into it with their eyes open, and must have a "meeting of the minds". If that meeting does not take place, the contract is invalid. From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom Email: Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU or joey@lindstrom.com Phone: +1 403 313-JOEY FAX: +1 413 643-0354 (yes, 413 not 403) Visit The NuServer! http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU Visit The Webb! http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU My word, I'm not even a hundred yet. -- Manuel Garcia O'Kelly, "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" (Robert Heinlein) ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:47:09 -0600 Reply-To: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: Two (Count 'em!) Two Replies in One! Dave O'Shea wrote in Vive le Internet! Digotage! > I feel an ethical obligation to take note of those who seek to invade > my privacy, and provide them with plentiful information -- but all of > it wildly wrong. > Yesterday I took a computerized survey for some company or other. I'm > a 24-year old unemployed surgeon, with eight children, ages 30-70, and > a 98-year old wife. We own 0 cars, one a honda and the other a > porsche. We have no hobbies nor income, but spend 8,000-10,000 per > year on vacations. We spend $60,000 per year on cleaning products, and > $11 per year on gasoline. We are vegetatrians and eat out every > night. Our favorite restaurant is "Outback Steakhouse". The monthly > mortgage on the apartment that we rent is $2. I am divorced, widowed, > and have never married. Berke Breathed (of Bloom County and Outland fame) beat you to it. In one strip, a female drone from the "Bureau Of Nosy Statistics" phones Opus and asks: "What is your height? Weight? Pant size? Sexual preference?" To which he replies: "2 foot 10. 40 pounds. I don't wear any pants. Svelte, buoyant waterfowl." She thanks him and hangs up, leaving Opus to turn to the viewer and say "they're either going to arrest me or fire her." Robert Hancock wrote regarding Questions on Possible Modem Power Surge Damage: > Sounds to me like the modem's phone line interface has been fried by a > power surge. However, no other telephone devices are damaged. The > modem is actually a combination sound card and modem, made by Aztech > (one of the bazillions of companies with that name, anyway). > I suppose the next step may be to open up the case and see if any of > the circuitry on the modem is fried. > Oh, and I don't suppose there's any chance the phone company will pay > for damage, is there? Don't count on it. :-) Back in 1992, I lost two modems in one shot like this. I was running a basement BBS with two phone lines, both external, thus the two modems in one go. Lightning struck *VERY* close by, so close that my room-mate and I, sitting about ten feet from each other, both noticed the hair on the other's head standing on end about two seconds before the strike. You could FEEL it and HEAR it build up, too ... like the "ocean" sound you get when you stick your ear in a seashell, only quite a bit louder. The strike knocked power out for twenty minutes. When the lights came back on, we tested every piece of electrical equipment in the house, including the computers. Everything worked, EXCEPT these two external modems (both very freakin' expensive at the time I might add!). One was a no-name 9600 bps V.32, the other was a US Robotics Courier Dual Standard (14.4K). In both cases, the modems were working fine but the RELAYS, which open and close the line connection, were fused beyond repair. 'Twas cheaper to replace both than repair 'em, alas. So, yes, in my experience, modems seem to be especially susceptible. You can bet that my modem (and LAN) are protected these days... :-) From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom Email: Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU or joey@lindstrom.com Phone: +1 403 313-JOEY FAX: +1 413 643-0354 (yes, 413 not 403) Visit The NuServer! http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU Visit The Webb! http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU I was arrested for selling illegal-sized paper. --Steven Wright ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:08:44 -0700 From: Dave Stott Subject: Vegetation Interference with Cellular I'm looking for information on the characteristic interference by a certain form of vegetation (Australian Pine, Casuarina equisetifolia) on cellular/PCS transmissions. Anybody have an idea where I can get detailed information? Thanks, Dave Stott ------------------------------ From: Paul Wills Subject: Re: Speaking of Easements Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:24:39 -0400 Speaking of telco easements, here's a new problem for the long distance carriers: It seems that as the nationwide fiber optic network was being built, many of the carriers arranged to use railroad right of ways for their lines. Unfortunately, many railroad rights-of-way are, themselves, easments negotiated with landowners many years ago. Thus, when a railroad is abandoned, the land automatically reverts to the original landowner or successor. Of course when a fiber optic cable was installed, things get messy! There is one case in Indiana where AT&T must pay landowners $45,000/mile for 70 miles of right of way located on a now abandoned railroad. Now for part 2: Since the railroad rights-of-way were negotiated for railroad purposes and nothing else, landowners feel that *they* should be getting the compensation for any easements occupied by the communications companies. Thus, a nationwide class action suit is now being filed against railroads and other utilities. The web address below is an article in the July 5, 1999, {Fortune Magazine} about the AT&T settlement with abutting property owners on fiber optic cables laid in railroad rights of way. http://library.northernlight.com/PN19990618010000313.html?cb=13&sc=0#doc This was forwarded to me by Dick Welsh of the National Association of Reversionary Property Owners. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Providing Easement to Phone Company From: belfert@foshay.citilink.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:53:11 GMT TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to Dale Farmer : > New telco outside plant is much more secure, but it will be many > years before all of the older stuff has been replaced. PAT] I don't know about new installations being more secure. In 1995, US West installed a 50 pair cable directly to my house. I have this huge enclosure on the side of my house with 50 pairs of screw terminals. (Why they didn't use 66 blocks I'll never know) I watched the line being installed, and it goes directly to my house bypassing all the pedestals serving the other neighbors. Now, the line was spliced to an existing 100 pair about 500 feet away. (The neighborhood was served by the other 50 pairs) I wired all 50 pairs into my basement, as I planned to use them all. By chance, I noticed that one supposedly unused pair had dialtone. It turns out that pair is actually the neighbor's phone line. I could hear anything on that line! Brian ------------------------------ From: Subject: More on Weak GSM Encryption Date: 29 Jun 1999 14:54:46 GMT Organization: Netcom _The_Australian_ recently printed a story concerning SIM card cloning and eavesdropping on conversations carried over GSM. It isn't very technical, but obviously there's an increasing awareness of what can happen when intelligence organizations are able to dictate how much privacy you can have. "DIGITAL mobile phone users could soon face the threat of eavesdropping, following a breakthrough reverse engineering effort in the United States. Three California researchers say they have cloned the secret encryption method used to secure Global System for Mobile (GSM) communications." (http://technology.news.com.au/techno/4221778.htm) See also: http://telecom-digest.org/TELECOM_Digest_Online/0723.html ------------------------------ From: Jim Van Nuland Subject: Re: Qwest: Raising My Intrastate Rates and Imposing Fees Date: 29 Jun 1999 07:33:31 GMT Organization: Silicon Valley Public Access Link Mike Beaty wrote: > OUCH! Qwest just jacked up my in-state rates by 50% without notifying > me. *AND* they added a $1.93 fee per line, again without notification. > This meant that for me, with two lines, my new monthly fee is $3.86. > My June bill went up *over* 100% from what I would have been charged in > May. This is due to my in-state calls and the new fees. > Needless to say, I'm looking for another long-distance carrier. I was an LCI customer and saw increases that sent me looking. I settled on "Dime-Line", which (in California) costs 5c/minute instate, 10c/min out of state, 24/7. There is a 53c/month fixed fee, and a 3 minute minimum charge. Also obtained a calling card for 40c/call plus 10c/minute (also 3m minimum). Dime-Line is the advertised name for VarTec Telcomm, Inc. I'd used it via the dial-around, 1010-811, for a few months, then had PacBell switch my primary carrier. I left PacBell for local toll calls. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association ------------------------------ From: alcazar3@my-deja.com (Alonzo Alcazar) Subject: Please Explain Clear Channel Operation Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:52:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Hi! What is: Clear channel operation for data channels; Feature Group B for voice channels? Thanks for any answers. alonzo ------------------------------ From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Subject: Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! Date: 29 Jun 1999 02:43:50 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com In article , Lars Poulsen wrote: > xoanan@bigfoot.com wrote: >> My father currently lives on a farm in an area that has a party line. >> They are the only party on the line, and he would like to be able to >> access the internet. He tried a short while ago, but couldn't get the >> computer to find a dial-tone. > The rules for party lines are very specific that modems may not be > attached to party lines. He should convert to a full line. At least per the discussions at some of last year's standards meetings (not that it was decided there, or even that it was necessarily decided recently -- just that it was mentioned and thus I learned about it) all the RBOCs and quite possibly all SS7-connected telcos in North America have committed to _eliminate_ party line service in the near future; the cost of maintaining support for it is estimated to be substantially higher than the cost of simply giving all grandfathered party line subscribers a free upgrade. A similar conclusion may have been reached about the few remaining non direct-dial locations in the continental U.S., but I can't remember which way that one eventually fell. So check with your local telco -- they might be *glad* to upgrade you to regular phone service for no extra cost. Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" ------------------------------ From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Free Long Distance Over the Internet! Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:31:11 -0500 Attached are some excerpts from some spam that arrived recently, and I am wondering if anyone is familiar with it. If you have seen the software, perhaps you can describe how it works? Does it allow for calls to go off-net to a person with a telephone, or does it require that the two parties both be on the net and using the software? PAT ----- Original Message ----- From: XOOM.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 6:07 PM Subject: Free Long Distance over the Internet! Dear XOOM.com member, Would you believe me if I told you that you could call anywhere - state-to-state, even country-to-country - without incurring ANY long distance charges? Sound too good to be true? Well, good news! It is true! The Aplio/Phone is a ground breaking, and multiple award-winning, technology that allows you to connect your telephone directly to the Internet - you don't even need your computer! Now you can call anywhere in the world and talk for as long as you want without owing your long-distance company a penny. XOOM.com has the Aplio/Phone for the next two weeks at a discounted rate for members only. Through this special email offer, you can get the Applio/Phone for only *$179.95*. Usually the Aplio/Phone retails for $199.99. Buy two and receive a mail in rebate for $50.00, for a total savings of $90.00. Go ahead and slash your long-distance bill! For more information about this unique offer, or to order, go to the following secret URL for XOOM.com members only: http://orders.xoom.com/aplio/xbaplio0628/ Newsweek Magazine states that "making a free phone call has become as easy as sending e-mail. More than 16 million people now use the Net as a long-distance carrier." With the Aplio/Phone making a free phone call is even easier than that - absolutely no computer or other "gateway" is required. All you need is your analog telephone, Aplio/Phone and an Internet account. For the low price of $179.95 for one phone, or $310.00 for two phone, you get... ** True Telephone Sound Quality -- Innovative technology ensures that your free telephone calls sound as crisp and clear as normal telephone calls. ** Multi-Language User Interface -- Supports many languages including English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Chinese, Japanese, Hebrew and more! ** Even Greater Savings with WakeUp Call -- No need to schedule your calls beforehand. All your calls to another Aplio/Phone user are absolutely free, even if they are not expecting the call! ** FREE Unlimited technical support and Easy Setup Hotline! http://orders.xoom.com/aplio/xbaplio0628/ Why wait another minute? You have a 30 day, money-back guarantee from XOOM.com (less shipping and handling) if you are not completely satisfied. Don't throw away another penny on long distance calls! Order today. Cordially, Bob Ellis Publisher P.S. Don't delay! This offer is valid through July 14, 1999! XOOM.com members can begin saving money on their long- distance calls immediately by going to: http://orders.xoom.com/aplio/xbaplio0628/ ------------------------------ [Back to PAT again ... so there you have it. Do not abuse that secret URL to be used by members of the club only to order the product. In fact, you really should not even look at it at all, because it is a secret URL, and not available unless you are one of the privileged few to have recieved this valuable offer. I would be interested though in figuring out how they get off-net to a telco central office, etc, and who pays for that part of the call, and all that stuff. Isn't it great how everything on the net is free, even our email and our phone calls and all that! :) PAT ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #177 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jun 30 05:12:03 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA15204; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:12:03 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906300912.FAA15204@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #178 TELECOM Digest Wed, 30 Jun 99 05:12:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 178 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Bell Atlantic Escalates War on 'Crammers' (Monty Solomon) Service Standards for Residential Phone Service (A.E. Siegman) Disney Joins Web Privacy Movement (Monty Solomon) Is it Possible to Have no 1+ Carrier? (Barry Margolin) Cordless Phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz (Dave B) Re: Speaking of Easements (Hudson Leighton) Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas (Steve Hayes) Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn (Art Walker) Seeking Database of ICs and CLECs (Katherine Morris) Re: Any Other Phone Racers? (Rupa Schomaker) Re: 10-10-220 (Sky Walker) Help! A Real Stumper - And I Need Quick Answers (Keith Samuels) Re: Free Long Distance Over the Internet! (Gerry Wheeler) Re: Question About Telephone Numbers (Mike Fox) Re: Free Long Distance Over the Internet! (Juha Veijalainen) Re: Free Long Distance Over the Internet! (Webnerd) Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! (L. Winsom) Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage (Arthur Ross) Re: Use of Star/Pound in Number Expansion (Robert Smith) Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (Eric Blondin) Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn (Robert A. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Bell Atlantic Escalates War on 'Crammers' Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:24:24 -0400 http://www.ba.com/nr/1999/Jun/19990629001.html Bell Atlantic Escalates War on 'Crammers,' Enables Customers to Block Miscellaneous Charges; First Phone Company in Nation to Take Such Bold Action June 29, 1999 Media contact: Paul Miller, 804-772-1460 Mark Marchand, 518-396-1080 NEW YORK -- Starting today, Bell Atlantic customers from Maine to the Virginias can protect themselves from having fraudulent charges appearing on their phone bills. Bell Atlantic, a recognized leader in combating the fraudulent practice of "cramming," is the first telephone company in the country to offer customers the option of blocking "miscellaneous" charges. Miscellaneous charges are usually monthly expenses unrelated to actual telephone usage, like voice mail and Web-page design and maintenance. Cramming, which surfaced late in 1997, is the practice of putting bogus miscellaneous charges that are unrelated to basic telephone use on phone bills. "We have made it clear from the outset that Bell Atlantic has no patience for companies that use our bills to take unfair advantage of our customers," said Fred D'Alessio, group president for Bell Atlantic Consumer Services. "This is truly one of the most important customer-care initiatives our business has undertaken. Today's action hammers another nail into the coffins of those who prey on the innocent and unsuspecting." The blocking option does not apply to charges from Bell Atlantic or the customer's selected local-toll and long distance companies. In addition, customers who choose this option could still be billed by Bell Atlantic for calls they make using other providers, such as "10-10" dial-around companies, since such charges are not considered miscellaneous. Residential customers who wish to block such services from their phone bills can do so, starting today, by calling the appropriate toll-free number for their place of residence: 1-800-249-8719 for New York and the New England states and 1-888-579-8926 for Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia and Washington, D.C. Business customers can sign up by contacting the Bell Atlantic business office. "Our customers can now make a choice as to whether they want these miscellaneous charges appearing on their bill," D'Alessio said. "Some may elect to keep the charges on the bill, because in many instances they are for legitimate services that the customer may want to use." Bell Atlantic's efforts to protect its customers from cramming have served as a model for the rest of the telecommunications industry. Since launching its initiatives over a year ago, the company has discontinued providing billing services to some 80 telecommunications service providers. The move resulted in a decline of more than 80 percent in the number of cramming complaints from Bell Atlantic customers. "A year or so ago we were averaging some 30,000 complaints a month related to cramming," D'Alessio said. "And most of those complaints pointed to a few bad apples." Since taking action against these suspected crammers, Bell Atlantic's complaints from residential customers have plunged to roughly 5,000 a month. Bell Atlantic, which serves 22 million households on the east coast, provides billing services for a wide variety of telecommunications providers. Many customers prefer having all of their telecommunications services on one bill. Last summer, Bell Atlantic was one of the first telephone companies in the country to institute a "first-call resolution" policy. Under the new policy, when a customer calls Bell Atlantic with a cramming complaint, the company immediately removes the charge from the bill, instead of referring the customer to the company that initiated the charge. Bell Atlantic routinely screens proposals for billing new services and reserves the right not to bill for objectionable services. Bell Atlantic is at the forefront of the new communications and information industry. With 43 million telephone access lines and nine million wireless customers worldwide, Bell Atlantic companies are premier providers of advanced wireline voice and data services, market leaders in wireless services and the world's largest publishers of directory information. Bell Atlantic companies are also among the world's largest investors in high-growth global communications markets, with operations and investments in 23 countries. ------------------------------ From: siegman@ee.stanford.edu (A.E.Siegman) Subject: Service Standards for Residential Phone Service Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:14:03 -0700 Organization: Stanford University I'm seeking information on official standards for service outage or service reliability of residential POTS as such standards may have existed in the "good old Bell System" days, and also now, if such still exist. I was once told by a Bell Labs old-timer that the Bell System had a published standard that no residential customer should be without dial tone for more than 18 minutes total (cumulative) per year due to any reasons associated with the Bell System (including storm damages, etc); that conformity to this target was routinely measured and reported; and that local telco executives' performance ratings depended on part on their success in meeting performance standards like this. More recently I was told by a young engineer designing electronic equipment to provide phone service over cable TV lines that there was a similar standard he had to design to, but it was 57 minutes outage/year. Does anyone have more reliable or detailed information about this? If the numbers quoted have any reality, are they to be interpreted as *averages* over all the residential customers in a given area? Or do they mean that the design goal is that *no single customer* should be out for more than those lengths of time? (In case anyone is interested, my real target is service reliability of _electrical_ service, which in this modern era I believe needs to be at least as reliable as telephone service, and in our area definitely isn't. Our local provider, PG&E, in fact appears to have no stated quantitative standards for service reliability; and my concern is that dergulation is likely to make things worse rather than better.) Thanks. Email cc of replies appreciated: siegman@stanford.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:41:27 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Disney Joins Web Privacy Movement Margaret Kane The Walt Disney Co. is upping the online privacy ante. The company said today that it would no longer advertise on sites without clear privacy polices, following similar announcements from IBM Corp. (NYSE: IBM) and Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq: MSFT). But Disney is taking one big step beyond. Disney (NYSE: DIS) and its Web portal partner Infoseek Corp. (Nasdaq: SEEK), also announced that they will not accept advertising from companies that do not have clear privacy policies. http://www.lycos.com/cgi-bin/pursuit?query=3224&fs=docid&cat=zdnet&mtemp=zdnet [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I think it is very important for every web site to make certain its visitors feel comfortable knowing that their personal data is not being collected. This is true not only for big sites such as those named above, but equally important in the case of something like the little sites that I manage. I do not accept any advertising from places like those mentioned, so it is not like I stand to gain anything from their new policies; I doubt most of them would want to spend any advertising money here anyway. To show my own concern about the growing problem of invasion of privacy on the internet -- and the problem is growing much worse I believe -- and to express my commitment to privacy for users, I arranged today with Truste (www.truste.org) to include their 'Privacy Partner' logos on web sites I manage, which includes http://telecom-digest.org of course but also http://internet-history.org and http://internet-pioneers.org on the front page of each site. All this logo indicates is that the site has a clear, published policy regarding user privacy, and that the webmaster will work with other sites in establishing the same thing. Clicking on the logo takes you to http://www.truste.org/partners for a further explanation and a list of sites participating. I know, go ahead and smile condescendingly and call me an idiot. I feel like one most days anyway. PAT] ------------------------------ From: barmar@bbnplanet.com (Barry Margolin) Subject: Is it Possible to Have no 1+ Carrier? Organization: GTE Internetworking Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:40:20 -0400 I just got a notice from AT&T that they've instituted a $3/month minimum. I have AT&T as my default long distance carrier, but I almost never use them, instead using a 10-10 code. I make 10-20 minutes of long distance calls a month, so I can't get any benefit from any calling plans. Meanwhile, AT&T keeps on heaping on charges like the universal access charge and carrier line charge. What I'd like to know is whether it's possible to not have any default long distance carrier, so that no company feels they have the right to charge me for services I have no interest in. Or does anyone have any other recommendations? If I want to switch to another default long distance carrier, won't I have to pay $50? It will take at least a year to break even on this. Will this get me out of some of the other charges that AT&T has been hitting me with, or do they all have them now? Barry Margolin, barmar@bbnplanet.com GTE Internetworking, Burlington, MA [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You certainly can have NONE as your choice of IXC if desired. I have that on my phone. Then you will get charged by local telco anyway for 'access' and things like that, but you will not be charged by AT&T or the other big carriers who have all their extra charges, etc. **DO NOT PAY** the AT&T charge on your local phone bill if you do not intend to use their services any longer. Tell telco to remove it, and follow up with a letter to AT&T with a copy to telco which states, "I am not your customer, for minimum billing purposes or otherwise. I do not use your services for any reason, and you have no authority to refer to me as your customer. Please discontinue immediatly billing me for any of your services, as I do not use any of them. If you wish to maintain my telephone number and name in your database *at your own expense* you may do so, but I will not pay for 'services' which I have no intention of using.' Have your PIC one-plus default set to NONE, have a freeze put on it to prevent changes, and quite obviously, see to it that in the future you do not use AT&T when 'dialing around' to place a call. PAT] ------------------------------ From: slivovica@mindspring.com (Dave B) Subject: Cordless phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:27:44 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises I'm considering buying a cordless phone with answering machine, and have gotten conflicting info on how 900Mhz is better. A {Consumer Reports} article said 900 was an advantage only when you needed longer-range coverage (though it added that the 900Mhz band is less noisy); another source I saw said that 900Mhz has much better sound quality, etc. I live in an apt. building, so distance of coverage isn't a big concern; it's not like I'm wandering out into a huge back yard or anything. I'm sure that digital 900Mhz is better than 43-49Mhz, and than 900Mhz analog. But if I just want good clarity over relatively short differences and a good price, what might my best option be? Thanks for any help you can give. Dave B. To get random signatures put text files into a folder called 'Random Signatures' into your Preferences folder. ------------------------------ From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: Re: Speaking of Easements Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:00:46 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc. In article , Paul Wills wrote: > Speaking of telco easements, here's a new problem for the long distance > carriers: > It seems that as the nationwide fiber optic network was being built, > many of the carriers arranged to use railroad right of ways for their > lines. > Unfortunately, many railroad rights-of-way are, themselves, easments > negotiated with landowners many years ago. Thus, when a railroad is > abandoned, the land automatically reverts to the original landowner or > successor. Of course when a fiber optic cable was installed, things > get messy! There is one case in Indiana where AT&T must pay landowners > $45,000/mile for 70 miles of right of way located on a now abandoned > railroad. > Now for part 2: Since the railroad rights-of-way were negotiated for > railroad purposes and nothing else, landowners feel that *they* should > be getting the compensation for any easements occupied by the > communications companies. Thus, a nationwide class action suit is now > being filed against railroads and other utilities. We just had a Court of Appeals case in Minnesota where the rail line was owned by a county rail authority, and the tenant railroad sold a easement to MCI without the county's permission. So now MCI has to work out a agreement with the County after the fact and after paying money to the railroad. http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: However, MCI can if it chooses sue the railroad for fraudulently misrepresenting its property rights. It can sue claiming the railroad sold something it did not have the right to sell. The Brooklyn Bridge example comes to mind, but unlike the person who sold you the bridge and then had vanished after getting your money, the railroad is, I assume, in plain sight and an easy target for litigation. MCI can also, I believe defend on the basis that it acted in good faith with county's agent, the railroad; that it had no reason to assume the railroad was not authorized as the county's agent. It can probably ask the court to (a) enforce its existing contract with the railroad if the terms are otherwise reasonable and (b) make the railroad turn over monies collected or benefits obtained as a result of the contract to its rightful owner, the county. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Steve Hayes Subject: Re: News Item: No Cell Phones While Pumping Gas Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:50:49 +0100 In Vol 19, No. 173, Steven Lichter observed: >> I've been in a Brooks Fiber office and had a call come in on my GSM >> cellphone. I look around and all the techs have cellphones hanging off >> their belts so I guess it's ok. It was. >> The switch in that room was a 5ESS-2000. If I'm not mistaken, both >> Lucent and Nortel build those things to withstand nothing short of an >> earthquake. Why should a little thing like a cell phone hurt. ;) > I have asked a few techs why and they have stated it came down from > above, I heard that they had a problem someplace, but never heard > anything more. I guess someone is just afraid of an outage. More years ago than I want to think about, I used to work for one of the companies mentioned. One of the products we worked on was a switching regulator card which supplied power to the memory system in their computer-controlled C.O. switch. For reliability, the memory system was duplicated in two separate racks. All the calculations had been carefully done to ensure that the C.O. would meet its reliability target of no more than 20 minutes downtime in its 40 year design life. For safety, each regulator had a "crowbar" circuit which would fire an SCR to short its output if the regulator failed and the output voltage went too high. One day, we were told to add a whole lot of capacitors, etc. in the crowbar circuit. After a while, we found out the sorry tale. Apparently in some C.O., the two memory racks had been placed side by side (doesn't sound like a good idea to me - what if the roof leaked). Anyway, someone had passed by using a floor polisher with a dodgy motor. Radio signals from the sparking motor got into the regulators on both racks and tripped all the crowbar SCRs. The C.O. was down for well over an hour until they replaced the fuses and got it booted up again. All this equipment ought to be designed and tested to resist RF signals and I'm sure they do a more thorough job these days. All the same, I can understand why no-one would want to take unnecessary risks with cellphones, etc. Steve Hayes South Wales, UK ------------------------------ From: Art.Walker@onesourcetech.com (Art Walker) Subject: Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn Date: 29 Jun 1999 17:33:56 GMT Organization: Recovering Nebraskans Clinic - Denver, CO Reply-To: Art.Walker@onesourcetech.com On 28 Jun 1999 16:34:12 -0500, nospam wrote: > Except that the hosting provider will wise up and put the keywords for > your particular content into their automated scans. Or start to enact a "Prodigy"-type system where user pages and updates are sent to a staging area, where a human operator has to check and approve before it gets published to the web server. Art [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Don't you just love Prodigy and all their antics? Can you believe there are people who actually *pay* to use the service? I wonder if they have any privacy policy and if they do, if it is as meaningless as the one at AOL, where despite what they say, they think nothing of snitching and tattling on their users. If you do not have a warrant, and for whatever reason can't get Steve Case to sign off on it, that's okay where AOL is concerned; just get cozy with one of their tech or Community Action Team (CAT) people when they are off duty; you'll have what answers you were seeking the next day. I wonder if Prodigy works the same way? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:45:56 CDT From: Katherine Morris Subject: Seeking Database of IXCs and CLECs Nationwide list by cities and states of all the Inter Exchange Carriers and addresses. Nationwide list by cities and states of all the CLEC's. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Any Other Phone Racers? From: Rupa Schomaker Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:53:30 GMT Organization: @Home Network support@sellcom.com (Steve Winters) writes: [snip -- comparing features of 2420 and EnGenius phones] > But regardless of the (gonna be real polite here) "optimistic" > advertising by both companies, they appear to be the hottest products > out and without any real competition. I definitely agree with this. Nothing that I could find that is "available" comes close. I currently use a 2420 and for the most part am very happy with it. The only features I'd really like to see in the 2420 is: 1) Barge in support (I understand this is in the reduced feature set phone but then I got the 2420 for the rest of the features). 2) Unified phone directory. You can't sync the base station with anything and synching directory entries between the cordless phones is a big pain with more than 2 phones. 3) Longer life batteries (my cell phone lasts longer than the 2420 phones) 4) Ability to pick up the answering machine from a cordless extension. I screen calls from some numbers (callerid is great) and from calls that don't have callerid and it is very annoying to have to pick up the call from the base station if I decide I really do want to talk to the person. I assume this is a part of 1 -- barge in support. > Anyone know of anything else that even comes close in features or > range? I tried to get on the beta test of a new Ericsson Home/Office phone. This phone is also 2.4Ghz and 2line (external, dunno how many extensions you can have). The phone connects to your PC via USB and I assume the PC does some of the management. It also supports voice activation ("call office", "check messages", etc). I signed up for the beta test program and then heard nothing back. It looked interesting, though I'm not sure I want to rely on a PC for functionality (perhaps for the voice activation stuff, but core phone features shouldn't require the PC to be on or working). > I have heard of a Brother 4line system coming soon, but I don't > believe that range is one of its goals. I don't think the Ericsson phone was about range either, just features (not that features is a bad thing ...). rupa ------------------------------ From: ROOT@Hotmail.com (Sky Walker) Subject: Re: 10-10-220 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:59:50 GMT Organization: Sky Walker Reply-To: SkyWalker1689.at.hotmail.period.company@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:14:56 -0700, Dave Stott wrote: > They can use 1016868 to make the first call which cost $0.079 per minute > with no minimum and no monthly fee. Check http://www.pt-1.com/qa.htm I found their International phone connection quality really bad, but the quality of the US phone connection is ok. E-Mail: SkyWalker1689 at Hotmail period Company ------------------------------ From: keith@hot-sauce.com (Keith Samuels) Subject: Help! A Real Stumper - And I Need Quick Answers Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:16:41 GMT Organization: Hot Sauce Marketing Services Inc Reply-To: keith@hot-sauce.com We are in need of a technical person in the telephony world to get us through some trying times in our business. I hope you might be able to help or at least give us the contact people who can. What we currently have is the pretty much a low tech outbound call center, consisting of p.o.t.s. lines and PC's with dialogic/4 cards to control the lines. I custom wrote all the calling software that we use, so it can be modified as needed. We are a marketing company that specializes in the music industry. We make requests on behalf of record labels to various markets throughout the US to ensure the correct demographic representation of the music in the markets the label so chooses. Let's say label 'A' wants to make artist 'B' popular in city 'C'. By requesting the video to be played in that city (C) people will watch it (B's video) and hopefully start to like it and revenues increase for the label (A). Our dilemma is that the video request lines are 900 number based and therefor track you by your ANI and DNIS. They answer all the calls centrally and then distribute the call apropriately based on the DNIS (each city has a unique 900 number). Then they check the ANI to be sure you are in the viewing area of the 900 number you called (I assume this is how the blocking works as it is the only logical way to instantly block on a per call basis and is simply an area code check). Well the ANI (in our case)always comes back as Durham NC. Now they don't think anyone in NC meant to request a video to be played in say Chicago, IL so they block the call assuming you dialed the wrong number so they don't wrongfully charge anyone for a misdial. They also have some other limits such as a $50 per line block so people don't run up huge 900 bills and then never pay for them. What we need is a way to buy thousands of ANI numbers across the country in our target markets and be able to place a call from NC and have its ANI come up as one from the target cities area code. As far as I know the only way to do this would be to have a phone switch here connect to a remote switch that the ANIs are located on and pass the info through the switch. Although, people have told me with a d240sc-T1 and Omni-Vox software you can pass any ANI you want down the line. So then we wouldn't need hardware in each market just ANI's that coresponded to each market. If this is possible to change your ANI on the fly how would the 900 number know who to bill to? We want to legal about this and don't want to cheat the video station out of money, that would just put us out of business as well. I need something that solves both problems, with enough ANIs we can spread out the calls and never hit the spending limit and the call appears to the 900 number owner as a valid viewer request and the labels demographics are intact since the call appears to have originated from the targeted city. I'm open to any suggestions on how to accomplish the goal, Internet based control, whatever it takes, we need a solution. And we NEED IT FAST!!! I've bounced this off quite a few people and they all say, yeah it sounds possible I'll call you back, but they never do (I hate voicemail). We are out of time on this and needed a solution a week ago. There is quite a potential for charges and equipment sales for the person/company who can figure this out. Thanks in advance, Keith E. Samuels Hot Sauce Marketing Services Inc. 1200 Broad St. Suite 107 Durham NC 27705 (919) 286-3493 PS. I also need ANI and equipment prices in all major US cities. ------------------------------ From: GWheeler@micros.com (Gerry Wheeler) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:19:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Free Long Distance Over the Internet! > Attached are some excerpts from some spam that arrived recently, and > I am wondering if anyone is familiar with it. If you have seen the > software, perhaps you can describe how it works? Does it allow for > calls to go off-net to a person with a telephone, or does it require > that the two parties both be on the net and using the software? Some friends and I discussed this recently. We looked at the web site to get some information, and made some likely guesses on some things. There are two types of calls: scheduled and unscheduled. Scheduled calls: The recipient presses the magic button on the Aplio phone when expecting a call. The phone dials his ISP, connects to the net, and probably registers its IP address with some central database. The caller uses his Aplio phone to make the call. The caller's phone finds the recipient's IP address and the two connect. The recipient's phone rings and he answers and they converse. Unscheduled calls: The caller makes a normal voice call to the recipient. Once connected, they agree to go to Aplio mode and each presses the magic button on the phone. I'm guessing that the two phones make a quick data swap to get the other's ID number or something. The phones then hang up, dial the ISP, connect to the net, probably register in a database, and find each other. The phones ring, the people answer and converse. Gerry Wheeler gwheeler@micros.com Fidelio Technologies Inc. +1 941 430 4223 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:42:56 -0400 From: Mike Fox Organization: not organized! Subject: Re: Question About Telephone Numbers Judith Oppenheimer wrote: > In a related scenario, a company sued because the carrier assigned it > a previously high-volume 800 number. The District Court for the > Eastern District of Pennsylvania referred this matter, Unimat, > Inc. v. MCI Telecommunications Corp., Civ. Action No. 92-9541, to the > FCC. When I got a phone number a few years ago, the phone company asked me if I wanted an "easy" number, that is one that's easy to remember. I said yes and got one in a long-established prefix with consecutive and repeated digits in the extension (e.g., xxx-4588). Well, the problem with an "easy" number is that they are desirable and someone else likely had it before, and I got a lot of wrong number calls for two years before the previous owner's correspendents all learned of the change. I learned my lesson and next time asked for a number that had never been assigned before instead of an easy one. The resulting number was "ugly," but I've never got a wrong number call on it! Given the explosion of phone lines it's easier than one may think to get a number that's never been assigned before, just get an "ugly" number in the newest prefix that serves your area. Mike "We're not against ideas. We're against people spreading them." (General Augusto Pinochet of Chile) ------------------------------ From: juhave@iobox.fi (Juha Veijalainen) Subject: Re: Free Long Distance Over the Internet! Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:53:01 +0300 Organization: Jkarhuritarit In article , editor@telecom- digest.org says: > Attached are some excerpts from some spam that arrived recently, and > I am wondering if anyone is familiar with it. If you have seen the > software, perhaps you can describe how it works? Does it allow for > calls to go off-net to a person with a telephone, or does it require > that the two parties both be on the net and using the software? Well, PAT, I found the following note there: > NOTE: The person you're talking to must also be able to make calls over > the Internet. The best solution is to use another Aplio/Phone. They may > also use a multimedia computer with Internet telephony software. So, it is just a hardware version of internet phones. Sender and receiver must have compatible systems to talk to each other. In my opinion they forgot to mention that ISP/local phone call charges may apply. I did not bother to read the ad in detail, though, so it might be buried somewhere in the small print. Juha Veijalainen, Helsinki, Finland, http://www.iki.fi/juhave/ Some random words: bomb,steganography,cryptography,reindeer ** Mielipiteet omiani ** Opinions personal, facts suspect ** ------------------------------ From: webnerd Subject: Re: Free Long Distance Over the Internet! Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:37:24 -0400 > user are absolutely free, even if they are not expecting the > call! > ** FREE Unlimited technical support and Easy Setup Hotline! > http://orders.xoom.com/aplio/xbaplio0628/ Thanks for the super secret Spam ... here are the answers to your questions from their FAQ: How do I make a call to another Aplio/Phone? If you're calling someone with an Aplio/Phone, you dial the telephone as you would normally. Once you've established the call, you simply press the 'Aplio' button and hang up the phones on each end. Aplio/Phone will disconnect the long distance call, dial into the Internet, reconnect to your calling party and ring both telephones. The connection usually takes 45 seconds or less. Then you both pick up the phone and continue your conversation. Do I pay long distance charges for the 45 second delay? No. When you press the Aplio button and hang up the phone, the Aplio/Phone disconnects the long distance call and dials your local Internet provider. Is the initial long distance call always necessary? No. If you schedule your calls ahead of time, you can use Aplio/Phone's 100% Free Mode. The receiving party must set their Aplio/Phone to 100% Free Mode at the specified time and the calling party must place the call using the receiving party's Aplio ID. The call will then be placed directly over the Internet without the first long-distance call. It seems like they are trying to "idiot proof " h.323 devices and looks like they have a way to go ;-) I doubt people will accept a 45 second delay but who knows. Thanks for the "good stuff" as ever. \/\/ebnerd ------------------------------ From: lwinson@bbs.cpcn.com (L. Winson) Subject: Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! Date: 29 Jun 1999 23:37:57 GMT Organization: The PACSIBM SIG BBS > about it) all the RBOCs and quite possibly all SS7-connected telcos in > North America have committed to _eliminate_ party line service in the > near future; the cost of maintaining support for it is estimated to be > substantially higher than the cost of simply giving all grandfathered > party line subscribers a free upgrade. Bell Atlantic Pennsylvania discontinued party service to much of the state years ago, and limited new service to only existing customers. They just announced all service is being discontinued. In Pennsylvania, party customers will have to pay the higher cost of single line service (usually only about a $1-2 per month.) [Years ago, paying $4 instead of $6 for basic phone service was a significant saving. Today with inflation and all the other new costs, the $2 isn't that big a deal.] [This writer would like it to continue to be offered for nostalgia's sake, but that is of course not a valid reason.] New Jersey still lists party service as available in the current phone book; I don't know their future policy. As to modems, the phone book was always emphatic that a party line MUST be vacated when the other caller needs it for an emergency call. It is quite possible modem use would prevent that, and thus it should be avoided. (Of course, if there really is no other person sharing the party line then it probably doesn't matter.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:32:51 -0700 From: Arthur Ross Subject: Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage Joey Lindstrom wrote: > The strike knocked power out for twenty minutes. When the lights came > back on, we tested every piece of electrical equipment in the house, > including the computers. Everything worked, EXCEPT these two external > modems (both very freakin' expensive at the time I might add!). One > was a no-name 9600 bps V.32, the other was a US Robotics Courier Dual > Standard (14.4K). In both cases, the modems were working fine but the > RELAYS, which open and close the line connection, were fused beyond > repair. 'Twas cheaper to replace both than repair 'em, alas. > So, yes, in my experience, modems seem to be especially susceptible. > You can bet that my modem (and LAN) are protected these days... :-) Lightening strikes are indeed very capricious things. Joey and his friend are lucky they weren't killed. This reminds me of this house in the Boston 'burbs where I lived for a couple of years after I got out of school. Place was near the top of a gentle hill. While we never were actually HIT, at least not that I'm aware of, I figured out, after many experiences, that ANY TIME an electrical storm was in the neighborhood one should unplug EVERYTHING in the house. I often found most of the light bulbs dead after such a storm, pretty much independent of whether the lightswitch was on or not. Never found any visible arcing, charring, or any other signs of direct hits. My theory was that there was, perhaps, some sort of super ground-loop problem with the outside utility wiring that led to huge induced voltages from strikes anywhere within a large area of the neighborhood. Place next door WAS hit once -- guy had a bark-less dead tree and a big burn mark on his family room wall where the current ran along the septic system to the interior. None of those "surge arrestor" things will do squat in the event of a substantial strike. They provide some protection, but it is minimal. I believe that what they contain, mostly, is metal-oxide varistor (MOV) transient suppressors, that will clip off very short (microsecond or less) transients such as might be found from switching inductive loads (e.g. turning motors on or off, electromechanical relays, etc.). There had better not be too much energy in that transient or the thing will just vaporize and lose its effectiveness. They are rated according to the transient energy they can survive, usually rather small. The most effective protection is to totally disconnect the line if you are really worried about an approaching storm. The concept of "power surge" appeared on earth shortly after the first Star Trek episode, and continues to exist primarily within the minds of all those Trekkies. The subsequent popular folk-belief in them has been, IMHO, exploited by the people selling these devices. They are not total frauds, but I don't think they are effective against the hazards that they are often being purchased for. Nor is it clear what hazards they ARE for, if any. The packaging blurb on one that I just looked at is pseudo-technical psycho-babble, with no real substance. The people who REALLY DO have to worry about this sort of thing, e.g. operators of big broadcast transmitters that are VERY susceptible to lightening strikes and consequent damage, use things like spark gaps and gas-filled tube transient suppression devices in the transmission lines. These devices, used in combination, can be very effective in limiting the size of what winds up at the protected device -- in those cases large, relatively sturdy transmitting tube(s) -- but that's ALL it can do. You can never get rid of it entirely. BTW -- I too remember the warning that Pat repeated in response to a recent posting -- the phone company used to tell you to avoid using the phone during electrical storms. That was, and still is, very good advice. The old carbon block things that used to be on every residental demarc were intended as lightning protection, but I think they too wouldn't really help very much against a direct hit. And the old desksets were probably more survivable than modern semiconductor- based devices relative to nasties on the loop. -- Best -- Dr. Arthur Ross 2325 East Orangewood Avenue Phoenix, AZ 85020-4730 Phone: 602-371-9708 Fax : 602-336-7074 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I remember once several years ago when Radio Station WLS in Chicago had its antenna struck by lighting. It knocked them off the air for about 45 minutes. When they came back on the air, that's all the disk jockeys talked about for the rest of the night was how much damage the storm had done to their station, put them off the air, etc. When I used to do a lot with citizen's band radio back in the 1970's I lived in an apartment building on the 21st floor which was the top floor for tenants. It was an older building, constructed in the 1920's. With management's okay, I put my coax up the elevator shaft and out into the elevator machine room on the roof of the building; then I mounted the antenna on the roof of the elevator machine room, and had that thing mounted to withstand fifty mile per hour winds and whatever else. A friend of mine brought me a *big* 'lightning arrestor' to put in series with the coax, and it did the job. I was on the air one night about midnight and was about to say 'I am going to shut down here because a very bad storm is brewing' when all of a sudden BOOM! and that lightning arrestor started smoking and having a very bad odor to it. It was a fairly large thing, weighed about ten pounds or so and sat on the floor under the table where the radio was at. But it did its job; the radio was unharmed. That lightning also knocked out the relay panel in the machine room on the roof. Building engineer was up there for about an hour working on it and finally had to call the elevator company to come out at two in the morning. He was able to start one of the cars by hand when the technicians got there so at least they did not have to walk up 21 flights of stairs. I asked him how he did it, and wasn't he afraid of electrocuting himself. He pointed at a broomstick over in the corner and said you stand back a distance and use the broomstick to push the relay into place, then when the elevator got to where he wanted it he used the same broomstick to knock the relay out of place again. As it happened, the building was in the process of being sold; the sale was finalized (or the 'closing' was set for) at twelve noon later that day. It was about the middle of the month and all the fixed expenses for the month, i.e the switchboard, the employee salaries, the utilities would be pro-rated between old and new owners as would be the revenue from tenant's rent collected. The bill the elevator company charged for that two hour assignment at two in the morning -- with two men on the job per union safety regulations paid at time and a half because of the overnight work -- was merely $75 per man hour or $300 total. The outgoing owner was understandably annoyed and suggested to the new owners that it be part of the pro-ration ... ah, they said, it was not a fixed, regular expense, and it happened before twelve noon today, therefore it is your expense. The outgoing owner had Mrs. Brown, a seventy-year old and very sassy lady who had been the manager of the building in excess of thirty years come in the meeting and in a joking way asked her, 'why didn't you wait until this afternoon to call the elevator company?' Her response was 'for one thing, I could not very well tell the tenants they had to walk up and down the stairs all night and this morning, and for a second thing, you are on the way out and I don't have to deal with you any longer; now I will have to live with the new owners giving me hell all the time for every nickle of theirs I spend. When Frank (the building engineer) was unable to fix it I figured I could live with you screaming about it for a couple hours on your way out the door.' A stereotypical 'dear, sweet little old lady' in appearance to the tenants, she could get pretty spicey when she wanted to. The next day the switchboard operator called in sick, and Mrs. Brown asked me to come downstairs and run the board, 'otherwise I will stuck sitting here all day', and when I went in the office and asked her if she was sorry to see Mr. Rosenberg (the previous owner) gone, she looked at me like fire was going to shoot out of her nose and ears and said, 'That cheap bastard! It was all I could do to get any money out of him at all the last six months he owned the place. I'll have to see if the two new guys squeeze their nickles as tightly as he did.' As it turned out, Mrs. Brown passed away about five or six months later. When the operator gave her a wakeup call one day, she did not answer, and the operator told one of the maids or the housekeeper to go up to her apartment and see what was going on. She apparently had died in her sleep during the night. The 'new' owners saw the handwriting on the wall and began making plans to change the whole place. Where the old owner after being there for thirty years or so had finally paid off the mortgage, had no debt service and actually making a small profit, the new guys had twenty years to go on *their* mortgage and had a hard time paying the gas bill, which in the winter months for a building that size is about ten thousand dollars a month. :( The maids and the housekeeper were the first to go with tenants told to clean their own apartments henceforth. Within about a month of that the front desk area and switchboard were shut down, the tenants were told that henceforth it was an UNfurnished apartment building but they could keep what furniture they had until they moved or it otherwise broke down; that there would be no more month-to-month rentals but one year leases only, and to expect a rent increase at the time they signed their new one year leases, which would happen not later than sixty days in the future. The last time I happened to walk by the place, which was about twenty years after I had moved out, the place was a total dump. The nice public dining room which had been on the first floor was gone -- many were the nights I sat at the bar there with Mrs. Brown drinking brandy in the late evening -- and a cut-rate liquor and convenience store was in its place; a very dirty one at that with a bunch of people lined up purchasing Illinois State Lottery tickets. When I went in the lobby area the old very ornate elevators had been replaced with newer ones that were badly defaced with a lot of grafitti. There was no front desk or furniture in the lobby but a man came out of a room, looked at me and said 'what do you want?'. I asked who was the manager; he said he was, and that he was also the janitor and maintainence man. A sign on the front of the building where there had years before been a canopy which went out to the curb for people getting in or out of cars announced 'apartments for rent' and oddly, the phone number given was the very same number that had been used all the years earlier when the switchboard had been there: 493-6700, but in the olden days we called it HYDe Park-3-6700 and there were about twenty outside lines on the switchboard. Now it was just a phone with one line on it in that man's office. He had no idea who the owner was, or if he knew, he would not say. I suspect it has been through several owners in the past twenty years. He said all he knew was he turned over the rent money he collected to 'a guy who comes around about once every two weeks ...' a genuine slum building, but Chicago is full of them now. -------------------- The elevator relays were big old-fashioned things that would slam shut or slam open with a loud bang and they would arc and flash on their own anyway, each one connected with fifty or sixty amp 'stick fuses'. Each relay had a half-inch thick, round piece of carbon on the end of it which had to contact a similar thing to start the elevator moving. The room would be quiet, then suddenly a loud BANG!, a flash and with a sort of whining noise you'd hear the huge motor start which turned the large wheel on which the cables were wound that raised or lowered the elevator. A typical, 1920's highrise elevator installation. The lightning strike really did a number on the whole thing, but the mechanics had it going again in a couple hours. Despite the noise filters I had on my radio coax, I never could get the static from that elevator relay board off of my radio entirely. PAT] ------------------------------ From: RobertSmith@kill.spam.ork Subject: Re: Use of Star/Pound in Number Expansion Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:10:11 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Reply-To: usenet@att.net kamlet@infinet.com (Art Kamlet) wrote: > FO Flash Override > F FLash > I Immediate > P Priority yep ... FO would preempt an entire super-trunk on its path (President/Joint Chiefs) F would preempt an entire trunk on its path (Generals) I would knock off a P or normal call P would knock off a normal call If you wanted to abuse your preempting abilities, for instance you wanted to call to find out how much you got paid and the phone lines are busy, so you would use the "I" to disconnect the person making the line you wanted to call busy then hang up real quick. Then call back real quick so they didn't know that you killed their line. Big Brother: We are listening for quality purposes only! That's it, I heard some static, must be a bad resistor somewhere. ------------------------------ From: Eric Blondin Subject: Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:41:19 -0400 From my understanding of those discoveries though, someone still needs to have access to your SIM card and physically copy it before they can do all this eavesdropping. It is annoying to find that people have a way of listening to your conversations, but they really need to plan something to get your SIM in the first place. You still have a way of protecting your privacy (maybe sleep with your phone if necessary...:)) This is still far from the privacy issues surrounding the older analog system and other digital systems. In today's technology I don't believe 100% privacy is still possible. Eric Blondin Microcell Telecom Eric.Blondin@microcell.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:32:16 -0400 From: Robert A. Rosenberg Subject: Re: Charmed Star's Mom Fights Internet Porn > Related question: I've recently gotten a number of spams which include > web addresses which are totally numeric- no letters, no dots, and no > .com. For example, one message included the address http://3626046468/. Take the number and divide it by 256. Call the remainder D and the dividend ABC. Now divide ABC by 256 to get C and AB. Divide AB by 256 to get B and A. The address is A.B.C.D and you research it normally. BTW: It ends up being 216.33.20.4. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #178 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jun 30 16:43:03 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA09314; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:43:03 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906302043.QAA09314@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #179 TELECOM Digest Wed, 30 Jun 99 16:43:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 179 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Scott Peterson) Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Tom Betz) Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Steven) Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (J.F. Mezei) Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (Juha Veijalainen) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (Mike Fox) Re: Help! A Real Stumper (James Bellaire) Re: Help! 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scottp4-remove-this-to-reply@mindspring.com (Scott Peterson) Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:03:20 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Steve Riley wrote: > Or you could add the names of known ad servers to your hosts file, and > point to the localhost (127.0.0.1) as the IP address. This prevents > the image from loading, thereby reducing bandwidth waste and saving a > little time. Here is my current hosts file: > 127.0.0.1 localhost > 127.0.0.1 ads2.zdnet.com It's fascinating that the one browser that this technique won't work properly with is Internet Explorer 5. The minute your route these ad sites to the dummy IP numbers IE5 barfs and gives you a "can't display this page" message. The very cynical suggest that Netscape will pick up this 'feature' in their next release. Scott Peterson The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth. ------------------------------ From: tbetz@panix.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix Date: 30 Jun 1999 07:57:30 -0400 Organization: Society for the Elimination of Junk Unsolicited Bulk Email Reply-To: tbetz@pobox.com Quoth Steve Riley in : > Crag Macbride writes: >> Of course, the real answer is more configurable browers. Just configure >> your browser to ignore all doubleclick.net addresses, for example. Simple. >> If you are running your own proxy server, it's pretty easy to do this >> already, much as the banner ad places _hate_ the idea, of course. > Or you could add the names of known ad servers to your hosts file, and > point to the localhost (127.0.0.1) as the IP address. This prevents > the image from loading, thereby reducing bandwidth waste and saving a > little time. Here is my current hosts file: > 127.0.0.1 localhost > 127.0.0.1 ads2.zdnet.com > 127.0.0.1 newads.cmpnet.com > 127.0.0.1 ads.msn.com > 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net > 127.0.0.1 ad.preferences.com > 127.0.0.1 ads.x10.com > 127.0.0.1 images.zdnet.com > 127.0.0.1 www2.valueclick.com > ... (www3 through www98 deleted to save space in this note) > 127.0.0.1 www99.valueclick.com Of course, this can cause GPFs for those using using IE. That's why I stopped doing it myself. Microsoft doesn't understand why anyone would want to prevent communication with these sites, and offers no way to use this solution. We have tried ignorance | Tom Betz, Generalist | for a very long time, and | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: | it's time we tried education.| | | YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! | ------------------------------ From: steven@primacomputer.com (Steven) Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:03:11 +0800 Organization: Prima Computer Very clever! Now Ill have to rewrite all my pages with the IP address :( Steven ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:58:34 -0400 ahoerter@netcom13.netcom.com wrote: > _The_Australian_ recently printed a story concerning SIM card cloning > and eavesdropping on conversations carried over GSM. From the article I had read previously in the TELECOM Digest, it seems that those US crackers were able to COPY a sim card and afterwards, listen in to conversations made using the original SIM card. If that is the case, it is nothing more than a piece of Qualcomm propaganda. If you can acquire physical access to the sim card, of course you can copy it, and of course you can devise a phone that can just listen in. Bahhh. You would have to bypass the password checking if it is enable on the phone (then again, if you are building your own phone, such phone need not interrogate the sim card for the password, does it?). Unless those guys can really recreate the SIM card from scratch by listening solely to the airwaves, this story is not worth pursuing. ------------------------------ From: juhave@iobox.fi (Juha Veijalainen) Subject: Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:44:28 +0300 Organization: Jkarhuritarit In article , ahoerter@netcom13. netcom.com says: > "DIGITAL mobile phone users could soon face the threat of eavesdropping, > following a breakthrough reverse engineering effort in the United States. > Three California researchers say they have cloned the secret encryption > method used to secure Global System for Mobile (GSM) communications." > (http://technology.news.com.au/techno/4221778.htm) Books published six years ago suspected that the effective length of A5/1 encryption could be as little as 40 bits (out of 64 bit maximum). 40 bits is considered very insecure, though it is the de-facto encryption strength in web browsers (thanks to US export restrictions). Several networked computer projects have demonstrated capability to break 40-56 bit encryption (various algorithms) in a few hours. But still, decryption will require hours, unless you are a major government or have a couple of million euros to spend. As a private user I am not that concerned -- real time decryption would revert GSM to same as analogue -- everyone with a scanner can listen into. Military has never used cellular (whatever make/brand/standard) for anything secure. Juha Veijalainen, Helsinki, Finland, http://www.iki.fi/juhave/ Some random words: bomb,steganography,cryptography,reindeer ** Mielipiteet omiani ** Opinions personal, facts suspect ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:06:25 -0400 From: Mike Fox Organization: not organized! Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Jan Ceuleers wrote: > Moreover, the fact > that so many operators use the same technology also means that in many > cases there are several competing operators in the same service area, > all using GSM technology. This once again encourages competition, as it > reduces the barriers for users to switch to another operator. There are some other benefits to a widespread standard that we probably don't even think of in U.S., because quite frankly we can't consider having them there. As one example, many European cars have cellular phones built in. I don't mean a hack aftermarket car kit installed by a stereo store, but integrated into the car's design, dahsboard, electrical and stereo system, and very well done. Hasn't anyone else wondered why cars in the U.S. are never sold with digital phones built in? You don't have to wonder. It would be financially impossible to do in the U.S. with a digital phone. What technology would they use? No one choice will be suitable for enough customers to make it useful. AMPS is the only one that they can pick that has any chance of being usable by all the buyers of an auto, and it's inferior and becoming obsolete. In Europe, no problem, use GSM 900 (plus the SIM card design of GSM means even rental cars can benefit from these phones and the rental company has no worries about fraud). For other considerations of the "benefits" of the U.S. decision to not have a unified standard, see the thread titled "Poor Cell Phone Coverage in the US" Mike "We're not against ideas. We're against people spreading them." (General Augusto Pinochet of Chile) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:03:30 -0500 From: James Bellaire Subject: Re: Help! A Real Stumper On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 keith@hot-sauce.com (Keith Samuels) wrote: > We are a marketing company that specializes in the music industry. We > make requests on behalf of record labels to various markets throughout > the US to ensure the correct demographic representation of the music > in the markets the label so chooses. [snip] > Well the ANI (in our case)always comes back as Durham NC. Now they > don't think anyone in NC meant to request a video to be played in > say Chicago, IL so they block the call assuming you dialed the wrong > number so they don't wrongfully charge anyone for a misdial. They also > have some other limits such as a $50 per line block so people don't > run up huge 900 bills and then never pay for them. You ARE in Durham NC. The lines are set up so they can accurately track real people in Chicago IL who really want to see the video. You are intentionally messing with their statistical sampling of people in that area. Hopefully the people collecting the data are also reading and can put a stop to your kind of fraud. [snip] > Although, people have told me with a d240sc-T1 and Omni-Vox software > you can pass any ANI you want down the line. So then we wouldn't need > hardware in each market just ANI's that coresponded to each market. If > this is possible to change your ANI on the fly how would the 900 > number know who to bill to? We want to legal about this and don't want > to cheat the video station out of money, that would just put us out of > business as well. You are doing a good job of putting the 900 service out of business anyways. If the station cannot trust the sampling system and protect it against your cramming of 'votes' for your client's videos why should the station continue using the service? > I need something that solves both problems, with enough ANIs we can > spread out the calls and never hit the spending limit and the call > appears to the 900 number owner as a valid viewer request and the > labels demographics are intact since the call appears to have > originated from the targeted city. Thank you for being honest with your intent. > I'm open to any suggestions on how to accomplish the goal, Internet > based control, whatever it takes, we need a solution. And we NEED IT > FAST!!! The old fashioned way is to hire people in the target cities to do the dialing for you. > Keith E. Samuels > Hot Sauce Marketing Services Inc. When people call my favorite radio station for a request they are also asked questions that relate to the station (how long have you listened, are you planning on going to the next event, etc) as a hedge against the long-distance cramming of 'votes' for the top 20 songs. They haven't gone to the trouble of caller ID or ANI to catch the promoters, but they do notice when requests seem to be stacked a little too lopsided. I realize it is part of the business, but it is not a good part. No one should lie^H^H^H misrepresent themselves for a living. James Bellaire ------------------------------ From: Bill Ranck Subject: Re: Help! A Real Stumper - And I Need Quick Answers Date: 30 Jun 1999 14:51:44 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA Keith Samuels wrote: > We are a marketing company that specializes in the music industry. We > make requests on behalf of record labels to various markets throughout > the US to ensure the correct demographic representation of the music > in the markets the label so chooses. > Let's say label 'A' wants to make artist 'B' popular in city 'C'. By > requesting the video to be played in that city (C) people will watch > it (B's video) and hopefully start to like it and revenues increase > for the label (A). OK, is it just me, or does this sound like ballot box stuffing? On the other hand, it's just corporate entities playing spy-vs-spy with each other so I suppose it's not too bad. This is probably how groups like the Backstreet Boys become popular. Sigh. > What we need is a way to buy thousands of ANI numbers across the > country in our target markets and be able to place a call from NC and > have its ANI come up as one from the target cities area code. As far > as I know the only way to do this would be to have a phone switch here > connect to a remote switch that the ANIs are located on and pass > the info through the switch. If you get this to work, there are some Canadian residents who would love to use it for ordering DBS satellite services. Technically, they can't get full service in Canada because it isn't offered there and if they hook their receiver up to a phone line the ANI sets off a flag at the DBS provider who shuts them down. There would also be some folks in the USA wanting to be able to appear to be somewhere remote so they can get network stations off the DBS service. This is not permitted in "served" areas, and is also checked by ANI when the reciever calls in. I think you can see why folks might be careful about who they tell how to do this, if it's even possible. ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Phil Herreshoff Subject: Re: How to Become an IXC, and SS7 Access Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:39:33 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com "John R. Levine" wrote: >> So, let's say I want to start an IXC. What do I need to do from a >> regulatory standpoint? Is there a doc somewhere on the net "Dummy's >> guide to becoming an IXC?" > 1. Raise at least $250K. Ok. > 2. Hire a good telecom lawyer. Who's the best telecom lawyer or telecom firm in the business? >> Finally, is access to SS7 required to switch a phone call? What I'd >> like to do is let someone call my IVR system, press in a 4-digit code, >> and then have the call forwarded off to some other number. If that >> other number is a toll call, I want to originating caller to be >> billed, not me, thus my need to "switch" the call using SS7 or some >> other means. > Oh, you want to put charges on other people's phone bills. That's > cramming, unless your access is via a 500 or 900 number. No, I am not cramming. Here's the deal. Let's say I operate a voice mail service in Idaho, where people call me and listen to messages, and I want to let my customers press "8" to return a call after listening to a voice mail message. If that return call is placed to, say, New York, then I'm going to have to foot quite a bill for the long distance. What I'd like to do is let the caller press "8" to return the call, and send a signalling message that would then switch the call, so the call would be placed (from a billing standpoint at least) from the caller's billing number. What do I need to do to accomplish this? Thanks, Phil ------------------------------ From: Mike Chance 314-235-4119 Subject: Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:00:35 CDT Arthur Ross wrote: > Lightening strikes are indeed very capricious things. Joey and his > friend are lucky they weren't killed. > [...] > None of those "surge arrestor" things will do squat in the event of a > substantial strike. They provide some protection, but it is minimal. I > believe that what they contain, mostly, is metal-oxide varistor (MOV) > transient suppressors, that will clip off very short (microsecond or > less) transients such as might be found from switching inductive loads > (e.g. turning motors on or off, electromechanical relays, > etc.). There had better not be too much energy in that transient or > the thing will just vaporize and lose its effectiveness. They are rated > according to the transient energy they can survive, usually rather > small. The most effective protection is to totally disconnect the line > if you are really worried about an approaching storm. The amount of damage that a good lightning strike will do in the microsecond before the transient suppressor kicks in is enormous. Remember, electricity will travel a bit over 9 inches through a wire in a *nanosecond* (anyone remember Capt. Grace Hopper and her nanosecond wires?), and lightning has a *huge* amount of voltage in it. While stationed in Berlin at Tempelhof Central Airport in the late '80s, a strong thunderstorm passed over the city (unusual weather for Berlin), and very powerful lightning bolt hit in the middle of the airfield. It must have hit a main power conduit or something similar, because the strike knocked out nearly all of the power to the entire airport complex. Now, Tempelhof Airport has a couple of huge 100-ton diesel back-up power generators, originally installed when the airport was built in the late 1930s, which, according to the German engineers that ran them, operated almost continuously during the Allied bombing campaign in WWII and during the blockade and airlift a couple of years later. Except for routine maintenance, I'd been told that they'd been operating ever since. They are massively overdesigned, and the engineers that maintain them are justifiably proud of their service record. This lightning strike shut down both of the generators, one for about 2 1/2 minutes and the other for about a half hour. Needless to say, the German engineers were impressed. Michael A. Chance St. Louis, Missouri ------------------------------ From: pete-weiss@psu.edu (Pete Weiss) Subject: Re: Disney Joins Web Privacy Movement Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:45:25 -0400 Organization: Penn State University -- Office of Administrative Systems Equally (or perhaps more) important is what happens AFTER what they say on their privacy statements: do they really explicitly keep their bargain? Are they hacker proof (to common standards)? Are there slip-ups where they do share info? So far, without legal recourse, I believe most of these statements are PR spin-control. Pete [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It is interesting to me that you phrase it as you did in your last paragraph, because just yesterday when I discussed in private correspondence with a reader here about my plans to affiliate in some way with Truste and place their 'Privacy Partner' logos on the telecom web site, he scorned the whole idea referring to their privacy standards as just 'toothless window dressing', saying if a complaint comes in against one of their members, they always side with their member and allow for no appeals. Then a second person who I consulted, as I often do about changes I am considering for the site said much the same thing and noted that there is no real enforcement mechanism in place; what they say and what they actually do -- meaning commercial web sites who claim to have a privacy policy in place -- are often times different as night and day. It was suggested that some sites have put up privacy policies (whether they follow them or not is another matter) just to keep the government off their case by showing how 'the net can regulate itself ...' and they are hoping that the government buys that load of manure and leaves them alone. Maybe it is just a waste of time and bandwidth to put up a privacy notice. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:27:01 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Getting to Know You? There Are Ways to Protect Your Privacy Ever get the feeling that somewhere out in cyberspace someone is gathering a digital dossier on you? Monitoring the sites you visit? Keeping track of the books you read? Pulling together revealing personal details, such as where you live and how much you earn? http://www.seattletimes.com/news/technology/html98/priv_19990620.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I get that feeling all the time, which is why I insist on good personal hygiene for Computer by cleaning it out and giving it a case of amnesia every few days. It is bad enough that we know about situations like DoubleClick, who make no special effort to hide what they are doing. What about the places doing similar that we do not yet know about? You'd think by now that any organization intent on collecting personal data would know enough about the culture and social norms of the net that they would not go in some Usenet newsgroup or mailing list and start a debate on the merits or ethics of their plan, risking the wrath of everyone who found out about it and software being developed to thwart or throttle what they were doing; they would just secretly start doing it and *never say a word or give a hint about their plans*. Consider this: Everyone by now is wise to DoubleClick; they look at the status bar on their browser and see the site they are at doing an 'http' to somewhere suspicious, so they make little changes or avoid that site in the future. So instead, the data collectors say they are willing to sacrifice that first pop up window for the sake of making the users more complacent. They set up a nice, pleasant site dealing with any one or more of a number of subjects; they put a nice big 'We respect your privacy' logo; they arrange things so that your disk drive light is going to be on a lot because they have lots of nice files for you to listen to and view, so you are not suspicious if you happen to observe the disk spinning, because those .wav and .gif files do sometimes take a long time to load; everything is cozy and the users all feel what a great site this is, my family and I are all safe using it; in the meantime the site is giving you the biggest raping of your life, taking every bit of data it can find in your Microsoft Wallet, your address book, your credit card list of numbers, your user names and passwords for other sites, etc. What does the collector of all the data care if he gives you a popup window on that session or not? You are unwittingly giving him things of far more value than just a couple of eye-scans across the top of your screen. Meanwhile the webmaster smiles and generously keeps handing out all sorts of free things to the user, i.e. have a free mailbox, have a weather forecast, how about some news headlines, come visit me every day, three or four times a day if you wish, I would never dream of having advertising while you chat on line, that is an affront to the user since everything on the net is supposed to be free. A strong advocate of open-source he invites you to grab all the icons, .gif and .jpg files you can carry away; the users all are delighted and show up in droves every day thinking that they are raping him when in fact the exact opposite is true. A site well enough constructed and designed that the webmaster has one hand on your backside reaching for your wallet while the other hand is feeling in your front pocket looking for loose change, and the user doesn't know the difference, because the disk drive would be spinning all the time anyway while the movies he is showing me and the music being played are in progress. But of all the help-yourself-scripts available, there are one or two he did not show you; the ones that relieved you of your credit card numbers, bank account numbers and passwords that you left stored in the computer because it was easier for you that way. A person who finds a wallet laying on the sidewalk does not stop to examine it then and there and tell everyone that he found money; after all the real owner may show up and demand its return. Instead he quietly picks it up when no one is looking, walks away acting normally, and then examines his newly found treasure in secret later on. He will act on the information he found in your wallet at a later time. And so it is with the Jolly Old Webmaster. He will not do an HTTP to some other site and hand over your data then and there; some netter might catch him in the act and Usenet's alt.latest-abusive-affront newsgroup will be alive with the sounds of fury for months afterward as netizens debate 'what should we do now' ... instead, the shill of a webmaster acting as the straight man and cover for the data collectors in the background hands over his latest files later on. Today he found sixteen Microsoft Wallets, thirty-six different credit cards, and a large number of passwords with associated user names. I cannot say when or where, or for that matter, even 'if' ... but I sort of get the feeling that that the real privacy rip offs on the net are going on through people who don't spend much time talking about it on Usenet or mailing lists. They just quietly do their thing, and they do not use people like Sanford Wallace to run their 'this is a good, family-oriented site' schemes. Sanford is just a stooge in the greater scheme of things I suspect. The day will come when you will wish Sanford was the only pain in your posterior on the net. Remember way back when we all thought Jeff 'Spam King' Slaton was the devil incarnate? (grin) Don't worry about the known boogeymen on the net. Worry about the ones you think you can trust, the ones who don't go running off at the mouth in Usenet all the time with everything they know and don't know. ****Hey you! Don't give ((ME)) that kind of a funny look! I am not the one you seek*** ... but you should be just as cautious when you visit http://telecom-digest.org as you would be when you visit http://rip-em-off.com, and dare I say it, perhaps more so. Do not trust me; do not trust any site to the extent you leave credit cards and other personal data on your hard drive. ***Hey, quit giving me that hard, cold stare. Go look at the Disney people or CNN or MSNBC or Yahoo or Netscape or AltaVista or the church ladies or the nice web sites where 'honest webmasters who are not running an adult site' can have all the freebie chat rooms, hit counters, guestbooks and more that they want as long as they agree to push their users through the freebie site's cgi-bin for processing. Yeah, 'processing' all right ... ***I TOLD YOU TO QUIT LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT *** (muttering to myself as they lead me away to the asylum). PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #179 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jun 30 18:38:15 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13763; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:38:15 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199906302238.SAA13763@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #180 TELECOM Digest Wed, 30 Jun 99 18:38:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 180 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Audio-Visual, Multimedia Component to Digest (TELECOM Digest Editor) Manhattan Overlay Code Finally Inaugurated (Matthew S. Warren) Telecomm Masters Classes Offered Online (Steven Dick) VoiceNet Calling Card Experiences Wanted (linabo) U.K. Wants ISPs To Build In Interception (Monty Solomon) Multimedia Payphones In JFK Airport (Monty Solomon) Buffered Billing (Jim Weiss) Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz (Steve Winters) Telco Circuit Identifiers (Jeff B. Will) Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage (Bill Ranck) Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage (Steve Winters) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (Withheld Adrian) Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (Tony Pelliccio) Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (James) Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecom (Isaac Wingfield) Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecom (Ryan Tucker) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Audio-Visual, Multimedia Component to Digest Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:50:00 EDT I'd like to get some thoughts from regular users of telecom-digest.org about possible changes and additions to the web site involving regular use of multimedia presentations. It would be a bit too much for me to do on any regular basis in any quantity without assistance from those of you who are interested. What I am thinking about is a series of 'ten minute tutorials' in the form of Real Media presentations on various technical topics regarding telecommunications and telephones. For example, one might be on how to repair a broken phone; another might be a short tour of a telephone company exchange building; another might be a technical presentation involving a blackboard with schematics or flow charts, and a person discussing them. Would any users like to prepare one of these and submit it? The topic area here is wide open, as long as it would have general appeal to a range of persons interested in telcom stuff. I suggest making them about ten minutes in length since files like that do take awhile to load, and there are network congestion and buffering problems in the presentation if it gets too lengthy. An audio only presentation might run a bit longer with no hassles. Other examples might include a regular (once per week?) 'news and commentary' presentation on telecom topics, perhaps with a guest being interviewed, etc. Would anyone like to handle this? An audio presentation in the style of a 'radio program' could be fifteen or thirty minutes, involving news, a feature story, etc. I suppose it could be video as well if the person doing it wanted to handle it that way. Another idea is a 'call-in talk show' format; someone who is a good conversationalist in telecom would agree to take phone calls from people at a certain time perhaps one evening per week; discuss with the caller whatever the subject was, and the entire thing would be taped, then converted to Real Media format, and downloaded to the web site for playback by interested listeners over the next week until the next edition was prepared. You might call this a sort of 'Telecom Digest Talk Show' with essentially it being the same thing as you read here, only in audio format, with a half dozen callers. Back in January I said I was going to put my own picture on the web site for people who kept wondering what I looked like. I did, as you know if you have been to http://telecom-digest.org/moderator and the results have been okay. Audio-visual stuff on the net can be done *very* inexpensively with a camera that costs less than a hundred dollars, and very inexpensive software as well. People who want to do this will need to be totally responsible for getting the presentation ready and getting it downloaded to me. That person and I will then chat and arrange its placement on the web site. I would suggest going with RealMedia for the presentation, using very simple display methods such as embedded player starts when page is called, 28.8 speed, make it viewable/audible to as many participants as possible. No unusual software, odd rates for the streaming media, no stereo, nothing for the user to have to do except go to the page and look/listen. No advertising messages, and 'infomercials' kept to a minimum, realizing that they may be an acceptable trade off now and then for an otherwise outstanding presentation. If you do not already know how to do this sort of thing, then I am unable to teach you, and please do not send me any crappy looking or sounding things. If you do know how it is done, feel free to send me some suggestions. Bringing TELECOM Digest and telecom-digest.org into Century 21, I remain sincerely yours, Patrick Townson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:42:55 -0400 From: Matthew S. Warren Subject: Manhattan Overlay Code Finally Inaugurated Hi, At , (free registration required) the New York Times reports, in pertinent part: Beginning Thursday, customers who sign up for new phone service in Manhattan may be assigned the new 646 area code, instead of the venerable 212 prefix . . . Callers could end up dialing 11 numbers -- 1 plus the area code plus the phone number -- to reach someone right down the street. (Customers making calls within the same area code will continue to dial only seven.) Regulations of the Federal Communications Commission state: No area code overlay may be implemented unless there exists, at the time of implementation, mandatory ten-digit dialing for every telephone call within and between all area codes in the geographic area covered by the overlay area code. 47 C.F.R. sec. 52.19(c)(2)(ii) (1998). It seems to me that one of three things is true: 1. The New York Times is wrong. 2. The FCC gave some sort of a waiver in this case. 3. Telcos are acting illegally. Which is correct? What is the real story here? And what are telcos and regulators thinking? Without mandatory ten/eleven-digit dialing, 646 numbers are going to be an awfully hard sell. Matthew S. Warren "Nothing happens automatically." opie@fine-print.com +1 (500) for-opie (Mail for PGP) ------------------------------ From: stevenmsu@aol.com (Steven Dick) Date: 30 Jun 1999 14:01:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Telecomm Masters Classes Offered Online Online Masters Classes Offered http://www.siu.edu/~mconline/ The Department of Radio-Television at Southern Illinois University announces two graduate level courses offered completely online. Students may choose between Telecommunications Technology by Steven Dick Ph.D. (Michigan State) and Telecommunications Management by Max Grubb, Ph.D. (Ohio). Students must be accepted into the SIU graduate school and have ready access to a computer that will run a recent version of Microsoft Explorer or Netscape Navigator (3.0+, 4.0+ preferred). Course textbooks will be available though many online booksellers. For more information, see http://www.siu.edu/~mconline or contact Dr. Steven Dick, Department of Radio-Television, Mail Stop 6609, Southern Illinois University, Carbondale, IL 62901, USA, 618-453-6980, sdick@siu.edu. MCMA 503:Telecommunication Technology. An intense examination of new and emerging communication technologies, analyses of their perceived uses and potential. Creative or theoretical research required. RT572: Telecommunications Management Perspectives in telecommunications management. Includes examinations of the organizations and management of commercial and noncommercial telecommunications organizations with an emphasis on leadership theories and techniques. Students should contact the graduate school (http://www.siu.edu/gradschl/procedur.htm) for applications. Both courses may require consent of instructor. You will NOT be required to be a part of the current graduate program but the courses may be used as part of the integrated graduate program in Mass Communication. (http://www.siu.edu/departments/cmcma/GradDegree/index.html). The College Mass Communication and Media Arts is a leading media program. The department and the university have run trial classes completely and partially online. Steven Dick has been using online systems to supplement his classes for over four years. Max Grubb has years of successful industry experience in broadcast management. Steven Dick, Ph.D. Department of Radio-Television Southern Illinois University Carbondale, IL 62901 Sdick@siu.edu ------------------------------ From: linabo Subject: VoiceNet Calling Card Experiences Wanted Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:59:36 -0400 Organization: Innovex Usenet News Server Has anyone had any experience with a company called VoiceNet? I'm looking for a buisness calling card provider for about 3000 cards. They seem pretty good, but I'd kinda like some first hand info. Does anyone know anything about them?? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:40:57 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: U.K. Wants ISPs To Build In Interception By Duncan Campbell, TechWeb Jun 25, 1999 (12:40 PM) The British government has become the first in Europe to openly propose internationally agreed requirements for ISPs to build technology into networks that would allow for police surveillance. Under proposals for changes to the Interception of Communications Act announced by the Home Office this week, all communications service providers (CSPs) would be required to build interception software or hardware into their systems. http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19990625S0019 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:28:13 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Multimedia Payphones In JFK Airport Travelers passing into and out of JFK's Terminal 4 now have access to the industry's most state-of-the-art multimedia payphone, which AT&T has sourced from iMagic Infomedia in Hong Kong. By: Steve Gold, Newsbytes Publish Date: June 21, 1999 http://www.currents.net/newstoday/99/06/21/news12.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:10:13 EDT Reply-To: Jim Weiss From: Jim Weiss Subject: Buffered Billing Over the years I've heard about buffered billing and voice-activated billing. MCI WorldCom has said they're the only carrier that initiates billing when the call is answered, not after a certain number of rings. While it seems possible, I'm skeptical but I haven't any real proof. I'm wondering if this is true and whether there's any documetation or verification of this. Any help will be appreciated. ------------------------------ From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winters) Subject: Re: Cordless phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:47:52 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com slivovica@mindspring.com (Dave B) spake thusly and wrote: > I'm considering buying a cordless phone with answering machine, and > have gotten conflicting info on how 900Mhz is better. A {Consumer > Reports} article said 900 was an advantage only when you needed > longer-range coverage (though it added that the 900Mhz band is less > noisy); another source I saw said that 900Mhz has much better sound > quality, etc. I live in an apt. building, so distance of coverage > isn't a big concern; it's not like I'm wandering out into a huge back > yard or anything. Actually there is yet another newer alternative for you by Siemens called the 2420 Gigaset that you may want to research. It runs at 2.4Ghz, has reasonable range for home or office and has superior sound quality with 26 minutes of record time for the answering machine. Check it out at our web site www.sellcom.com where we have links to FAQ, photo etc. Steve Winter http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM New Brick Wall "non-MOV" surge protection ------------------------------ From: Jeff_B._Will@NOTES.UP.COM (Jeff B. Will) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:14:54 -0600 Subject: Telco Circuit Identifiers Could you tell me where to look up telco circuit identifiers and what they mean? Example: HCGS = T1 LNGS = 4 wire analog DHEC = ? AREC = ? Thanks. ------------------------------ From: Bill Ranck Subject: Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage Date: 30 Jun 1999 15:14:58 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA Arthur Ross wrote: > This reminds me of this house in the Boston 'burbs where I lived for a > couple of years after I got out of school. Place was near the top of a > gentle hill. While we never were actually HIT, at least not that I'm > aware of, I figured out, after many experiences, that ANY TIME an > electrical storm was in the neighborhood one should unplug EVERYTHING > in the house. I often found most of the light bulbs dead after such a > storm, pretty much independent of whether the lightswitch was on or > not. Generally, this sort of problem is due to poor grounding and/or corroded connections in older buildings. I had a house out in the country many years ago. When I first moved in I had the same sort of problems. Lightbulbs burned out during thunderstorms, etc. After I rewired the place with a new breaker box and made sure there was a good solid nuetral and safety ground on all circuits the problems went away. My mother's apartment was recently having problems with the lights getting brighter and dimmer seemingly at random. After checking her apartment's breaker box for loose grounds and such I got in touch with the building maintenance man. He and I went down to the meters in the basement and removed some panels. The building had 3-phase service and the neutral wire on the transformer side of the main breaker was corroded. The maintainence guy called the power company and they came and fixed that and some other corroded nuetral and ground connections. Problem solved. Turned out some other apartments had been having problems too, but since it is all retirees and most of them were out of town for Christmas when this was happening they had only gotten a couple of complaints. ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winters) Subject: Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:40:53 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com Arthur Ross spake thusly and wrote: > None of those "surge arrestor" things will do squat in the event of a > substantial strike. They provide some protection, but it is minimal. I > believe that what they contain, mostly, is metal-oxide varistor (MOV) > transient suppressors, that will clip off very short (microsecond or > less) transients such as might be found from switching inductive loads > (e.g. turning motors on or off, electromechanical relays, > etc.). There had better not be too much energy in that transient or > the thing will just vaporize and lose its effectiveness. They are rated > according to the transient energy they can survive, usually rather > small. The most effective protection is to totally disconnect the line > if you are really worried about an approaching storm. The Brick Wall surge protector is not MOV based and will withstand 6000 volt spikes all day long (UL tested). The idea is that internal building wiring is designed to only be capable of 6000 volts. We sell them so I am prejudiced, but the only reason that we sell them is because I was so impressed with the technology and use them here. They also do NOT divert surges to the neutral or ground wire which is important in network situations. They actually stop the surges. I have them all over the place here at SELLCOM. Interestingly enough they will protect the MOV type surge protectors. We use the Brick Wall units for the real protection and then have one of the other junk MOV strip products for the "insurance policy". As far as I know the Brick Wall units are the only real surge protectors available. For the phone lines I use the solid state AT&T 110 punchdown units loaded with the solid state modules. Steve Winter http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM New Brick Wall "non-MOV" surge protection ------------------------------ From: 141@wilkinsonsmith.com (Withheld Adrian) Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:53:59 GMT Organization: www.wilkinsonsmith.com Limited Reply-To: acs@wilkinsonsmith.com On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:06:25 -0400, Mike Fox wrote: > As one example, many European cars have cellular phones built in. I > don't mean a hack aftermarket car kit installed by a stereo store, but > integrated into the car's design, dahsboard, electrical and stereo > system, and very well done. I would have to disagree with this. While certain ranges of vehicle do offer a mobile as standard, remember you pay next to nothing for the mobile here, most people use hand portables. Because of the massive number of hand portables available no motor manufacturer offers a car kit for portables -- no universal interface. ------------------------------ From: nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio) Subject: Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption Organization: Providence Network Partners Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:56:46 GMT In article , jfmezei.spamnot@ videotron.ca says: > If you can acquire physical access to the sim card, of course you can > copy it, and of course you can devise a phone that can just listen in. > Bahhh. You would have to bypass the password checking if it is enable > on the phone (then again, if you are building your own phone, such > phone need not interrogate the sim card for the password, does it?). > Unless those guys can really recreate the SIM card from scratch by > listening solely to the airwaves, this story is not worth pursuing. I always laugh when I hear that they've 'cracked' the encryption on a GSM SIM. For about $150 you can get a smartcard reader/writer or better yet, my Motorola Select 2000 lets you copy a SIM. None of the other phones I've seen let you do that. == Tony Pelliccio, KD1S formerly KD1NR == Trustee WE1RD ------------------------------ From: none Subject: Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:00:07 GMT Organization: @Home Network The U.S. military has a variety of cryptographic devices capable of being used with cellular service. Voice quality using an AMPS cell system is lousy though and adoption has been spotty at different levels because of the cost of the hardware. james Juha Veijalainen wrote: > Military has never used cellular (whatever make/brand/standard) for > anything secure. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:18:12 -0700 From: Isaac Wingfield Subject: Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications >> Telephone relay company night watchman Edward Baker, 31, was killed >> early Christmas morning by excessive microwave radiation exposure. As with many of the Darwin awards, this one sounded very suspicious to me in any case, but the part about: > Baker had not been told about a tenfold boost in microwave power > planned that night to handle the anticipated increase in holiday > long-distance calling traffic". Sounds completely bogus. While there is a relationship between transmitted power and the data handling capacity, once you establish the parameters for a link, you just don't go around boosting the power to add capacity, and especially not on a temporary basis. I'm not a telecommunications microwave specialist, but I'll bet this is never done, because it wouldn't work. Also, a power ratio of ten to one simply isn't enough to go from "toasty warm" to "cooked my goose", especially when the air was so cold. Ever try to grill meat in the winter? Isaac (the skeptic) Isaac Wingfield Project Director isw@ictv.com ICTV Vox: 408-364-9201 14600 Winchester Blvd. Fax: 408-364-9300 Los Gatos, CA 95030 ------------------------------ From: rtucker+from+199906@katan.ttgcitn.com (Ryan Tucker) Subject: Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications Date: 30 Jun 1999 10:36:22 GMT Organization: TTGCITN Communications , ROC NY Reply-To: rtucker+replyto+199906@katan.ttgcitn.com In , TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to Jeff Brielmaier : > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But please note earlier in this issue > Peter Simpson says he can find no trace of the organization in Manitoba > which is named in the article. Darwin says 'confirmed true' but how > about some independent verification? PAT] Look at the last names. Is there a single one which doesn't look like a joke? :-) -rt Ryan Tucker http://www.ttgcitn.com/~rtucker/ President, TTGCITN Communications Box 92425, Rochester NY 14692-0425 Please keep public threads public -- e-mail responses will be ignored. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #180 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jul 1 00:36:11 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA29882; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:36:11 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907010436.AAA29882@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #181 TELECOM Digest Thu, 01 Jul 99 00:36:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 181 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Bell Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 to 15 Feet (M Solomon) AT&T to Raise Monthly Fee on Residential Customers (Monty Solomon) Re: Cordless phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz (John Temples) Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Thor Lancelot Simon) "Factory" Portable Phones (Ed Ellers) Re: Is it Possible to Have no 1+ Carrier? (Ed Ellers) Correction Voysys 100 for $799 (C. Blackburn) Re: Seeking Database of IXCs and CLECs (Jerry Harder) Re: HELP! - A Real Stumper (Bill Levant) Re: So Now I'm a Racist? Says Who? (Bob Goudreau) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Bell Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 to 15 Feet Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:22:06 -0400 Bell Labs Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 Calls Within 15 Feet June 30, 1999 7:30 AM EDT WHIPPANY, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 30, 1999--Researchers at Lucent Technologies' (NYSE: LU) Bell Labs have developed the most sensitive technology yet for pinpointing the location of wireless 911 emergency calls. The approach is accurate within 15 feet when users are outdoors and 100 feet when they are indoors. The Bell Labs geolocation technology offers marked improvements over currently deployed systems for locating wireless 911 emergency calls. Moreover, it provides network operators the double benefit of meeting a 2001 federal mandate while opening opportunities for new service revenues. For example, pinpointing a customer's location could yield such services as detailed driving directions and local traffic information, especially when combined with improved data services expected two years from now. "We intend to pursue standardization of this geolocation technology so that it can be widely and inexpensively deployed," said John Freidenfelds, director of wireless technology applications at Lucent's Wireless Networks Group. The Bell Labs technology works with all of today's global digital networks and also will be compatible with next-generation (3G) broadband wireless networks, which will provide a broad assortment of location-based services, as well as high-speed, Internet-based multimedia services. The driving force for the Bell Labs research has been a U.S. Federal Communications Commission mandate stating that by October 2001, all wireless 911 calls must be pinpointed within 410 feet. Currently, wireless 911 calls can be pinpointed within only a three- to six-square mile service area on average. The Bell Labs geolocation technology would provide more precise location information to police, which is especially helpful when callers are unfamiliar with their whereabouts, and also would allow 911 calls to be routed more quickly to the appropriate rescue squad. The Bell Labs approach involves both the wireless handset and network infrastructure. Global positioning system (GPS) units are placed throughout a wireless network. As the units keep track of GPS satellites orbiting the Earth, they pass along key satellite information including estimated time of the signal's arrival - to nearby wireless handsets, which are equipped with scaled-down GPS units. Then, based on time differences between when the network's GPS units and the handsets receive signals from the satellites, it's possible to precisely pinpoint the handset's location. "With the information boost that the network gives the handset, our approach is 100 times more sensitive than the handset approach for wireless geolocation that involves putting an entire conventional GPS unit into each handset," said Bell Labs researcher Giovanni Vannucci. Besides providing very poor performance indoors, those handsets are costly, bulky and are a drain on portable batteries. Another common wireless geolocation technology is solely network-based, but that approach requires expensive base-station equipment, is imprecise, and does not perform well in hilly areas. The Bell Labs researchers also have enhanced their geolocation approach by developing a method to estimate handset location, which shortens the handset's initial search for a satellite signal. A software program, based on the wireless signals that a handset receives from several base station antennas, helps to estimate a handset's location. Other researchers working on the Bell Labs geolocation technology include Bob Richton, T.C. Chiang, Richard Leung, Ren Da, and others in Whippany and Naperville, Ill. Lucent Technologies, headquartered in Murray Hill, N.J., designs, builds and delivers a wide range of public and private networks, communications systems and software, data networking systems, business telephone systems and microelectronics components. Bell Laboratories is the research and development arm for the company. For more information on Lucent Technologies, visit the company's web site at http://www.lucent.com or the Bell Labs web site at http://www.bell-labs.com. ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: AT&T to Raise Monthly Fee on Residential Customers Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:23:43 -0400 WASHINGTON, June 30 (Reuters) - AT&T Corp.(NYSE: T), the largest U.S. long distance company, on Wednesday announced it would raise fees related to universal service by 72 cents per month on all its residential customers. AT&T said it would also slightly reduce per-minute rates for customers not enrolled in any of its discount calling plans. So-called basic schedule rates would drop to 26 cents per minute from 28 cents during business hours and to 11 cents from 11.5 cents on weekends. The change has no effect on customers enrolled in discount calling plans. The fee increases are intended to cover an increase ordered by the Federal Communications Commission in the amount long distance companies like AT&T must pay to local phone carriers to keep phone service affordable in rural and low income areas. The federal charges also included an increase in the education rate or e-rate program that helps pay for Internet connections in schools and libraries. Other long distance carriers are expected to unveil similar increases soon. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz Organization: Gulfnet Kuwait From: john@kuwait.net (John Temples) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:43:33 GMT slivovica@mindspring.com (Dave B) spake thusly and wrote: > I'm considering buying a cordless phone with answering machine, and > have gotten conflicting info on how 900Mhz is better. A {Consumer > Reports} article said 900 was an advantage only when you needed > longer-range coverage (though it added that the 900Mhz band is less > noisy); The one 49 MHz phone I owned could be noisy even if only a few feet from the base station. It was very sensitive to the orientation of the handset. > another source I saw said that 900Mhz has much better sound > quality, etc. The Panasonic analog 900 MHz phone I use has far superior sound quality to the two 900 MHz digital spread spectrum phones I've used (Toshiba and Sanyo). The latter two had either higher background hiss levels or noticeable echo. The digital phones also had significantly shorter battery life due to their more powerful transmitters. I don't know if this observation applies to other phones. It would be really nice to be able to test a phone on a real phone line before buying it. Steve Winters wrote: > Actually there is yet another newer alternative for you by Siemens > called the 2420 Gigaset that you may want to research. Panasonic also makes 2.4 GHz phones with answering systems. http://www.prodcat.panasonic.com/shop/product.asp?sku=KX-TGM240-B John W. Temples, III ------------------------------ From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix Date: 30 Jun 1999 20:15:45 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com In article , Tom Betz wrote: > Quoth Steve Riley in telecom-digest.org>: >> Crag Macbride writes: >>> Of course, the real answer is more configurable browers. Just configure >>> your browser to ignore all doubleclick.net addresses, for example. Simple. >>> If you are running your own proxy server, it's pretty easy to do this >>> already, much as the banner ad places _hate_ the idea, of course. >> Or you could add the names of known ad servers to your hosts file, and >> point to the localhost (127.0.0.1) as the IP address. This prevents >> the image from loading, thereby reducing bandwidth waste and saving a >> little time. Here is my current hosts file: >> 127.0.0.1 localhost >> 127.0.0.1 ads2.zdnet.com >> 127.0.0.1 newads.cmpnet.com >> 127.0.0.1 ads.msn.com >> 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net >> 127.0.0.1 ad.preferences.com >> 127.0.0.1 ads.x10.com >> 127.0.0.1 images.zdnet.com >> 127.0.0.1 www2.valueclick.com >> ... (www3 through www98 deleted to save space in this note) >> 127.0.0.1 www99.valueclick.com > Of course, this can cause GPFs for those using using IE. That's why I > stopped doing it myself. > Microsoft doesn't understand why anyone would want to prevent communication > with these sites, and offers no way to use this solution. Of course there is -- just run a local nameserve claiming to be authorative for those zones. Hm. Perhaps I will provide one as a public service -- I'll send details here if I decide to. Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: "Factory" Portable Phones Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:22:43 -0400 Withheld Adrian (141@wilkinsonsmith.com) wrote: > Because of the massive number of hand portables available no motor > manufacturer offers a car kit for portables -- no universal interface. Some car makers do offer *their own* portable cellular phones with an integrated "car kit," though this may not be available in all countries in which a given car is sold. I know someone who has a Mercedes SLK roadster that came with a Motorola portable with a docking device factory-installed in the car, and which (AFAIK) has a cellular antenna integrated into the AM/FM whip antenna. ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Is it Possible to Have no 1+ Carrier? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:29:06 -0400 Barry Margolin (barmar@bbnplanet.com) wrote: > I just got a notice from AT&T that they've instituted a $3/month > minimum. I have AT&T as my default long distance carrier, but I almost > never use them, instead using a 10-10 code. I make 10-20 minutes of > long distance calls a month, so I can't get any benefit from any > calling plans. My mother was in exactly that situation, and she had me change her service to "no carrier" and added a PIC freeze. When AT&T found out (from BellSouth) that she had dropped them, they quickly offered her a deal that (for the first three months) gives her more free time than she would possibly use. ------------------------------ From: C. Blackburn" Reply-To: gern@teleport.com Organization: NWR Subject: Correction Voysys 100 for $799 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:42:25 -0700 Sorry, This should read $799 not $100! I have one unit that came off-lease. The company did not send the power supply with this unit. The model is 100, Software is 1.6H. Hardware version is 2100004-29. Looks like this is a 4 port voice mail system. 5 prong power supply. Unit should be in working condition, SOLD AS-IS. Please email or call. Here is a picture of this unit. http://www.teleport.com/~hmwilson/voysys.jpg Please make an offer if this is not a fair price. Chris Blackburn NW Remarketing ------------------------------ From: Jerry Harder Subject: Re: Seeking Database of IXCs and CLECs Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 00:44:49 GMT Organization: @Home Network Katherine Morris wrote in message news: telecom19.178.9@telecom-digest.org: If you are looking for free information, the Common Carrier Bureau at the FCC has a list of Carrier Identification Codes and contacts. On www. naruc.org, you can find the Web pages of the various state PSCs. They often have lists and/or downloadable database so IXCs and CLECs. Good luck, Jerry Harder remove spamnein from address to reply ------------------------------ From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:36:09 EDT Subject: Re : HELP! - A Real Stumper Well, I'm not a telco engineer by trade -- actually, I'm a lawyer -- but I had a fairly low-tech idea to solve this problem, at least temporarily. Arrange to rent a corner of someone's office in each of the markets you're interested in. Install two POTS lines with an extender attached between. Call into line 1, grab dialtone for line 2, and dial out to the 900 number(s). If you get a fairly smart piece of hardware, you should be able to also dial into line 2 and grab dialtone on line 1. You *might* also be able to do this with cellular phones with numbers from each of the desired cities. I know that when I roam with my Sprint PCS phone, it sends *my* number as the caller ID, no matter where I am, but I don't know what the ANI looks like. I *think* it's local to wherever I am, but I'm not sure. Problems that I see: 1) You will only have two lines per city. You will therefore only have two different ANI's to send. This may not be enough. Each additional pairing doubles your cost. Moreover, if the video programmer's computer is fairly smart, they may figure out that no kid, no where, no how makes $50.00 in 900 calls in one month (and lives to tell about it the next month), and then either block, or simply disregard, calls from your numbers. Changing them every month or two is a possible workaround, but at $25.00 (and up) per line per change, it can get expensive in a hurry. 2) You will probably have to arrange this all yourself. You *might* be able to cook up a deal with someone like a cellular carrier or a CLEC, who would let you dial into their switches in the destination cities, thereby getting "foreign" dialtone and sending THEIR ANI to the 900 numbers. The benefit here is that you'd have a large pool of numbers to use. 3) In the absence of a special pre-arrangement, cellular carriers generally block 900 calls, and might not be able to enable them "just for you". 4) One of the internet IP telephony companies might also be able to help, IF they have points of presence in the right places, and *if* you can get them to allow you to make 900 calls on their lines. For what it's worth, I hope this helps some. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:40:39 EDT From: Bob Goudreau Subject: Re: So Now I'm a Racist? Says Who? Joey Lindstrom wrote: >>> If you're placing an international call, isn't is reasonable to >>> expect that you would use the international dialing prefix? >> Except that people who keep making this argument seem to feel that >> Canada doesn't qualify as "international", and have never met my >> earlier challenge of enumerating exactly what objective criteria >> should be used for deciding which NANP countries should be dialable >> using 1+10D and which should not. Absent such clear rules, the only >> fair thing to do would be to require 011-1- on calls to *all* >> international destinations, Canada included. > This was, in fact, planned at one point, ... > but I see nothing wrong with going to 011 dialing > between the two countries. That's nice, since it shows that you are clearly *not* among the crowd that is trying to have it both ways, requiring 011-1 to reach Caribbean countries but still letting some international calls (to Canada) be dialed without 011. See my comments above about "the only fair thing to do". >> Yet for some reason, some people seem to feel that it would be a Bad >> Thing to make it as difficult to dial those rich white Canadians as it >> they'd like for it to be when dialing those poorer, predominantly-black >> NANP countries in the Caribbean. I find the attitude somewhat remin- >> iscent of the way that certain long distance carriers disable >> calling-card calls to specific countries when the calls originate from >> certain "red-lined" ethnic neighborhoods. > Oh, get bent. I've been following this thread and never once did it > occur to me that there might be any racist intent -- and that IS what > you're accusing people of. The issue is SOLELY one of excessive rates > charged to unsuspecting people. Think it through: if I read an ad in > the paper and it tells me to dial a particular phone number, with an > area code I'm not familiar with, I likely won't have a clue where it > is. And if I live in the USA, then apparently (according to Mark > Cuccia) I'm going to have to pay a buck just to find out -- assuming I'm > savvy enough to even suspect that such a step is necessary. Most > people (that don't subscribe to this list) don't even know that these > Caribbean countries have "regular" NANPA area codes and automatically > assume that the number dialed will be in the USA, or possibly Canada - > but they're certainly not expecting to pay 1-900 like rates for the > call. 011 serves as a "toll alert" of sorts -- if you preface your call > with 011, you KNOW you're calling outside your country, and you're far > more likely to look up the rates before calling if you're not familiar > with them. > Calls to Canada are more expensive (from the USA) than are calls within > the USA, but GENERALLY speaking the price increase isn't that huge, and > it's certainly quite reasonable when you think about it -- so Canada > therefore "deserves" to share the same national dialing plan as the > USA. But calls to some of these Caribbean nations, which APPEAR to > most people to be calls within the USA, can be as high as 5000% of the > cost of a within-the-USA call. That's simply too great a disparity. But how much is "too great"? Please be specific, using hard numbers of minutes and cents. So far, none of the people who have snidely dismissed the rates to Caribbean NANP members as too high but who still want Canada to be 1+ dialable have ever put forth any *objective* criteria that could be used to decide which NPAs "deserve" the privilege of 1+ dialing and which do not. I will repeat the challenge I originally offered, and which no one has yet answered with any specific facts or numbers: But under what criteria? If you're going to disqualify the non-US NANP countries from being dialed from the US via 1+NPA dialing, then why not Canada as well? What distinguishes Canada from, say, Jamaica in this respect? Pricing, perhaps (the fact that lots of US long distance carriers offer fairly decent rates to Canada, while most or all of the non-US Caribbean NANP countries still have old-fashioned expensive bilaterally-negotiated settlement rates for calls to/from the US)? So then what happens if Jamaica subsequently liberalizes its telecom market enough so that Canada-type rates become available for calls to Jamaica? Will 1-876-NXX-XXXX calls then become dialable from the US again? What if those rates are only available from, say, Sprint and Qwest, but not from AT&T and MCI? And what exactly is the pricing dividing line anyway? If you're going to exclude just some (but not all) of the non-US NANP countries from 1+NPA dialing, you're going to have to come up with a clear and consistent policy that answers all these questions. Otherwise, you could go for the much simpler policy of requiring the international prefix for *all* non-US calls (including those to Canada), or else retain the status quo. I will also remind everyone that the countries being accused of "high prices" have not as a rule been raising their rates; they merely haven't been lowering them as quickly as intra-USA or USA-to-Canada toll rates have been falling. Remember, it wasn't all that long ago that calls to Canada, or even within the US, could rack up charges that (adjusted for inflation) fell into the dollars-per-minute category, and other posters have recently pointed out that many US carriers now offer rates in the 20-50 cents per minute range to some of the Caribbean countries under discussion. The recent proclivity of US callers to being more cavalier about their 1+ dialing (the "heck, it only costs ten cents a minute these days" attitude) is hardly something that the Caribbean countries or their telcos can be blamed for. > That's the only issue here, Bob. The skin colour of the people being > called isn't the issue -- and I think it could be argued that most of > the scam operators who do operate these Caribbean-based sex-lines and > whatnot are, in fact, rich AMERICAN white people. And yet US-based sex-line operators are not the ones who would suffer the most from being made completely undialable from US (even via 011-1), as advocated by the earlier poster; the island residents would be worst affected. > You have chosen to make a connection between our resentment towards > paying these usurioius rates and the fact that lots of "po' black > folk" happen to live in these countries. If you're going to make that > connection, then you better be prepared to back it up, because you are > making a VERY serious charge. I will point out that I was not the one accusing certain countries of "bad behavior", of "sponging off" international gateways and advocating that those countries be "put on notice" about being kicked out of the NANP, all without specifying exactly what rules or laws or guidelines those countries would need to meet, or why Canada automatically qualifies for the privilege of 1+ dialing and they do not. Sorry if it pains you to hear it, but I found that entire "you don't qualify but we won't tell you exactly why" attitude just a bit too reminiscent of practices such as the literacy tests that were used to exclude many black voters in the Jim Crow South. > Bob, I remember in my old FidoNet days, we only had two rules. You > shall not be excessively annoying, and you shall not be too easily > annoyed. Both were grounds for removal from FidoNet. You have CLEARLY > fallen into the both categories -- you've as much as accused us all of > being closet racists. Some people here may indeed be racists -- hell, > I'm no mind reader -- but some others of us resent the accusation. > In fact, I resent it quite a lot. I will also point out you have broken the two rules yourself. If, as you claim above, you advocate that Canada not be given any special exemption from a blanket "all international calls require 011" rule, then you are clearly not among the group of people I was berating above, those who want to keep 1+ dialing for Canada and domestic calls only but who refuse to explain exactly why Canada alone qualifies for such an exemption. Your subject line is therefore a nonsensical strawman, evidence of your propensity to be "too easily annoyed" by barbs that were not even directed at you. And the fact that you did not read carefully enough to notice the distinction I made between the "011 for all int'l calls" group and the "Canada exemption" group is itself quite annoying. On the other hand, I will admit to being extremely annoyed by the folks who wish to "break" the existing intra-NANP dialing regime based on a rationale that they refuse to enunciate. However, since it is they, not I, that advocate disturbing the status quo, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask them to assume the burden of proof in explaining both their justifications for the proposed change, and the specific details of its implementation. > I'm not advocating your removal from our presence, but I do believe you > owe us all an apology. The only folks I have impugned are the ones who want to give Canada a free pass but won't explain why other NANP countries are not similarly eligible. By your own admission, you are not a member of that group, so it is a mystery to me why you think I owe you an apology. To others who are members of that group, and who genuinely have no biases based on race or national origin, I do apologize -- but I also repeat to them my (still-unmet) challenge from above, and ask them either to answer it, or to withdraw their "Canada keeps 1+ access but other countries don't" proposal. Bob Goudreau Data General Corporation goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com 62 Alexander Drive +1 919 248 6231 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #181 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jul 1 18:28:09 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA05563; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:28:09 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907012228.SAA05563@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #182 TELECOM Digest Thu, 1 Jul 99 18:28:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 182 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Army Web Site Latest Government Computer Cracked (TELECOM Digest Editor) Satellite GPS Can Locate Wireless Phones Within 15 Feet (The Old Bear) New Bell Atlantic Service to Fight 'Cramming' (Tad Cook) Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (S. Burjak) Re: Buffered Billing (JF Mezei) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (J.F. Mezei) Anonymous Postings in Digest (TELECOM Digest Editor) Do Not Disturb (Ken M.) What Do I Ask For? (Leonard Erickson) TTY Corp Telex Call Control Units (George B. Hutchison) Re: Audio-Visual, Multimedia Component to Digest (Arthur Ross) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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For once at least, the people maintaining the computer were honest and admitted the damage was repaired in about one hour instead of the usual claims they like to make about how the damage was estimated at a hundred thousand dollars and will take weeks for several people to replace. I am sure most readers remember all those fanciful tales in times past. The web page substituted for the official one stated that the attack 'has a specific purpose ... to settle rumors being spread by the government about the hackers responsible for attacks on government web sites having been caught.' The web page went on to say that the same person(s) who had done this were also responsible for the attack a month ago on the White House web site. It also went on to say 'trust very few people'. Instead of simply writing up their own web pages and installing them, the Army had chosen to use a commercial software package from Allaire Corporation of Cambridge, MA. Allaire's web site building software is full of security holes so large you could drive a Greyhound Bus through them; it is so buggy that anyone who uses it should be given a free can of Raid -- kills roaches dead on contact! -- to go along with the package. But they apparently think it is a great package and sold it to the Army -- probably at a greatly inflated price since you know how Defense Department budget matters go; if a toilet seat is worth $750 then surely a dumb program to build web sites must be worth ten or twenty thousand dollars -- who then probably got some five star general with a bachelor's degree in stupidity to spend a couple weeks installing it. I mean, for goodness sake how hard is it to write a few web pages if you have been on the net for any time at all without having to spend money on a commercial package intended to have lots of razzle dazzle which in reality leaves your bare backside exposed to everyone who passes by ... don't they know anything at all about how to set up the root directory for their pages; how to set their directory permissions and how to check their work and secure it before they put it on line? I guess they figure whatever outrageous sum of money they paid Allaire would take care of it. And then when Allaire finally did get around to notifying its customers there were 'a few little problems' and asking them to change certain defaults and erase certain files not needed, the Army simply ignored that advice. Probably the security bulletin is sitting in a public servant's in-basket because it takes them six to nine months to open and read their mail, the same as at the FCC. The FBI, which is still trying to figure out where the 'any key' is located on their computer so they can press it and decide how many millions of dollars in damage was done to their own site when it was ransacked awhile back is also investigating the White House and Senate break-ins of recent weeks. After their wildly extravagant claims in those cases of catching someone (not true!) and how the Senate web site would be disabled until further notice (not true!) now in the case of the Army they seem to have tossed their hands in the air and walked away from it. When asked precisely what steps were being taken in the case of the Army web site matter, the FBI was extremly vague; they would say only that 'it has been referred to the appropriate authorities ...' but refused to say who those 'authorities' were, or if the agency itself would participate. I think the federal government should begin to realize that with all their computer web sites and their connections to the internet they are coming out on a playing field with all the big boys ... guys who are light years ahead of them in computer knowledge and skills; guys who if they chose to do so could turn every government web site topsy-turvey over night and use denial of service attacks to keep them out of service for the next several months. Look at how Bosnian hacker patriots kept the NATO computers out of service for the entire time the bombing was going on, constantly overloading them with pings and throwing trash at them. It went on for weeks. Maybe if the Justice Department and Janet Reno got off the tangent they are on which requires that Kevin Mitnick stay incarcerated at all costs -- four years now, and still no trial, so frightened of him are they -- things might change. Maybe if the government stopped giving the entire internet away to Big Business, started really cracking down on spam and its purveyors and facilitators, and closing down scam web sites while trying to work with the millions of long time netizens who are getting sick of it all things might be different. But as things stand now, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the government web sites under attack. None at all. I am sort of enjoying watching it happen. I can only hope that they spend so much of their time and resources trying in their half-witted way to get their sites back on line and 'catching the hackers' that they do not get their numerous Y2K problems resolved before sometime next summer. If that happens, then they will be entitled to sing the blues, and how 'nobody knows the trouble I've seen ...' And you really have to wonder, don't you, that if they cannot put up a web site and know enough to secure it and keep it going, are they *really* in a position to straighten out all their Y2K messes? PAT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:22:16 -0400 From: The Old Bear Subject: Satellite GPS Can Locate Wireless Phones Within 15 Feet FWD: 06-30-99 Responding to the US Federal Communications Commission's (FCC) demand for technology to locate wireless phones within 410 feet when they place emergency 911 calls, Lucent Technologies Inc.'s Bell Labs has developed a system that can place a phone to within 15 feet when it is outdoors or about 100 feet when it is indoors. The technique uses the global positioning system (GPS), which relies on satellites to pinpoint location. Unlike other attempts at locating wireless phones with GPS, though, it puts in the wireless handset only the bare-bones technology needed to do what cannot be done anywhere else. Most of the work is done by GPS technology in the wireless network, drastically reducing the power consumption and bulk of the GPS equipment in the handset. Giovanni Vannucci, one of the Bell Labs researchers working on the project, told Newsbytes that the GPS equipment in the handset only measures the GPS signal. GPS gear in the network infrastructure searches for the GPS satellite signal and passes the necessary information to the handset. Because only part of the GPS function is in the handset, a handset with this capability will have roughly the same battery life, size, and weight as one without GPS technology, Vannucci said. With the entire GPS function built into the mobile unit, handsets are much bulkier and hard on batteries. The main impetus for developing this technology was the FCC's insistence that a way be found by October, 2001, to locate wireless phones placing calls to 911 emergency services within 410 feet, said Vannucci. However, the researchers chose at the same time to provide for other location needs. So, for instance, a slight adjustment to the technique would make it possible to track the location of a wireless phone whether it is in use or not. Lucent said that, in addition to the obvious 911 application, this technology could be used to tailor information such as local traffic information and driving directions to a caller's location. Lucent plans to present the concept to standards bodies, and ultimately to commercialize it, said company spokesman Sam Gronner. ------------------------------ Subject: New Bell Atlantic Service to Fight 'Cramming' Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:38:16 PDT From: tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook) New Bell Atlantic Service to Fight 'Cramming' By Greg Edwards, Richmond Times-Dispatch, Va. Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News Jun. 30--Consumers who have been the victims of "cramming," or the placing of fraudulent charges on their phone bills, yesterday were given another tool to fight back. Bell Atlantic announced it will allow customers to call a toll-free number and request that no charges other than those of Bell Atlantic and of customers' long-distance companies be allowed on phone bills. The free residential anti-cramming service will begin immediately in the 13-state service territory of Bell Atlantic, which stretches from Maine to Virginia. Cramming surfaced as a serious problem two years ago. Along with "slamming" -- the practice of changing long-distance service without permission -- it became a headache for consumers of telecommunications services. Last year, Bell Atlantic threatened to cut off billing services for companies it believed had links to cramming. Since then, the phone company has discontinued billing services for roughly 80 companies. That private enforcement action has reduced cramming complaints from residential customers by more than 80 percent -- from 30,000 to 5,000 complaints per month, Bell Atlantic said. A similar decline in cramming, as well as slamming, complaints has been observed at the State Corporation Commission, according to Alan R. Wickham, manager of operations in the communications division. "We are getting a few 1/8complaints 3/8 but not anything like we were a year or year and a half ago," he said. Efforts by the Federal Communications Commission and the local phone companies have done a lot to curb cramming and slamming, Wickham said. Anything that helps consumers deal with cramming problems is a positive development, said Jean Ann Fox of the Virginia Citizens Consumer Council. But why, she asked, should consumers have to bear the burden of keeping charges they didn't authorize off their phone bills. "Folks shouldn't be allowed to add charges to a phone bill without clear authorization from a consumer to do that," she said. The FCC says that consumers can help protect themselves from cramming by carefully reviewing their phone bills. Consumers should look for charges they haven't authorized and items explained in vague terms such as: "service fee," "voice mail," "mail server," "calling plan" or "membership." In April, the federal agency -- which received more than 60,000 consumer complaints last year about confusing phone bills -- enacted broad "truth-in-billing" guidelines. The rules require that phone bills provide full descriptions of what consumers are being billed for and by whom. Consumers who determine they've been victims of cramming should immediately call their phone company and ask for a billing adjustment, the FCC says. Complaints about cramming charges from telecommunications companies can also be made to the FCC and the State Corporation Commission. Complaints about charges from content providers, such as psychic hot lines, should be directed to the Federal Trade Commission. Bell Atlantic spokesman Paul Miller said the company has hired a vendor to handle the large number of calls expected to the toll-free number, which will serve residential customers in Virginia, West Virginia and the District of Columbia. Business customers should contact their local Bell Atlantic business office. Fred D'Alessio, president for Bell Atlantic Consumer Services, said some customers who are billed for legitimate services on their phone bills may not want to have those charges blocked. Consumers cannot pick and choose which miscellaneous charges they want blocked. Bell Atlantic first announced it would be providing the anti-cramming service last summer, but technical difficulties in starting the service caused delays, Miller said. TO BLOCK CHARGES: Call: (888) 579-8926 ------------------------------ From: sburjak@usa.net (S. Burjak) Subject: Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 03:55:13 GMT Organization: Customer of Telstra Big Pond Direct My understanding is that the encryption function is an OPTION and is not turned on by default in AUS. I am also under the impression that all you need is a compatible CODEC and receiver. On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:44:28 +0300, juhave@iobox.fi (Juha Veijalainen) wrote: > In article , ahoerter@netcom13. > netcom.com says: >> "DIGITAL mobile phone users could soon face the threat of eavesdropping, >> following a breakthrough reverse engineering effort in the United States. >> Three California researchers say they have cloned the secret encryption >> method used to secure Global System for Mobile (GSM) communications." >> (http://technology.news.com.au/techno/4221778.htm) > Books published six years ago suspected that the effective length of A5/1 > encryption could be as little as 40 bits (out of 64 bit maximum). > 40 bits is considered very insecure, though it is the de-facto encryption > strength in web browsers (thanks to US export restrictions). Several > networked computer projects have demonstrated capability to break 40-56 > bit encryption (various algorithms) in a few hours. > But still, decryption will require hours, unless you are a major > government or have a couple of million euros to spend. As a private > user I am not that concerned -- real time decryption would revert GSM > to same as analogue -- everyone with a scanner can listen into. > Military has never used cellular (whatever make/brand/standard) for > anything secure. ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: Buffered Billing Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:09:22 -0400 Jim Weiss wrote: > Over the years I've heard about buffered billing and voice-activated > billing. MCI WorldCom has said they're the only carrier that initiates > billing when the call is answered, not after a certain number of rings. Microcell Connexions which operates the FIDO GSM network in Canada operates this way. It seems it is a standard feature in GSM mobile phones to start billing only when the remote has answered. ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:23:34 -0400 Mike Fox wrote: > There are some other benefits to a widespread standard that we probably > don't even think of in U.S., because quite frankly we can't consider > having them there. Herte is another example. Garmin, a maker of GPS systems has just released a GPS/phone combo which can be used to trasmit your location for various applications. (This has nothing to do with being able to locate the caller to 911.) However, because there is no standard in the USA, they opted for the antiquated AMPS phone which is the lowest common denominator. Dial number, wait for answer and it sends your numeric location as touch tone digits. No way to ensure it was received. And you pay for call duration. Had the USA adopted the GSM standard such applications would be so much widespread. The ability to send SMS messages would be a natural for this application and more reliable and definitely cheaper (SMS messages are generally free.) As a result of ther mishmash of protocols the usa is lagging far behind in mobile data applications. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:16:22 EDT From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Anonymous Postings in Digest Lately there have been a few more postings in the Digest than I really feel comfortable with from 'names' and 'email addresses' which were deliberatly munged in an effort to fend off spammers. While I can sympathize with that problem, I hope the people who post as 'someone', 'no one' 'who' and so forth can also sympathize with me. It adds to the integrity of the Digest and the integrity of the poster if there is some way to reach the person by email to obtain further information, etc. I also understand it adds to the ease with which spammers can invade your mailbox. If your munging is obvious to any human being with a couple letters or some phrase to be removed or added, etc, that is fine, but please include somewhere in the text your actual name and address. Also, remember the reason for http://telecom-digest.org/postoffice -- the telecom-digest.org anonymous email service was started so that users could obtain an email address to be used for posting not only in telecom, but in any newsgroup or mailing list of their choice, or to use as a way to answer unwanted questions at nosey web sites. When the email address then gets polluted, you toss it away and get a fresh one. Everyone is invited and encouraged to use this anonymous 'mail drop' service as way of keeping spam away from their primary email address. You don't have to worry that way about using a valid address of some sort in articles to the Digest. Feel free to pick up one, or as many as you need. You will be asked for your name, which is whatever you wish to say it is, and you will get a couple other questions to be answered in the same way. Anonymous email addresses is a service provided by Telecom Archives. Please visit http://telecom-digest.org/postoffice to get yours, and by the way, you can have your POP3 mail available here also if you wish. PAT ------------------------------ From: Ken M. Subject: Do Not Disturb Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 05:58:45 -0400 Organization: Netcom Reply-To: pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com Bell Atlantic phone company of Maryland is now offering a new service called, "Do Not Disturb." The monthly fee is $3 per month. This new service blocks out all incoming calls to your phone, unless the caller's number (which can be local or out of state) has been entered on your list, which you can change (add/delete) at any time. It also blocks "out of area" and "unavailable" callers! No more telemarketers or wrong numbers. If a caller is NOT on your list of incoming numbers, they may still get through by entering a four-digit code after hearing the rejection announcement. (This is ideal for "out of area" callers whom you wish to speak with.) The menu gives you a choice of three different announcemnets that callers hear. *The party you have called is not accepting calls at this time. *The number you have called is unavailable at this time. *Forgot the 3rd phrase. You can turn this service on or off at any time by calling the 800 number and entering your phone number and passcode. You can also program the service to be active at "certain" times of the day, or certain days of the week. So far so good. I've been waiting for a way to block telemarketers. (ken) See some sample photos taken with my Olympus digital camera at: http://www.theupperdeck.com/digitcam/ ------------------------------ From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: What Do I Ask For? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 02:05:04 PST Organization: Shadownet I've picked up an old (1985 vintage) key system with docs. But there are a few things that the docs don't make clear (like whether or not you can use standard phones or modems on the lines. So I need to run a few tests. To test it I'm going to need three pieces of 25 pair cable about three feet long, each with a 50-pin amphenol connector at one end. I assume I'm going to have to pick these up at Graybar. So what do I ask them for? Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:10:00 -0700 From: George B. Hutchison Subject: TTY Corp Telex Call Control Units Patrick -- could you direct me to a resource that has schematics and theory of operation for the old Telex call control units that the model 32 telex machines came equipped with from Teletype? Several on GreenKeys are wondering about the dialing, signalling etc., protocols that were part of the telex system. I have private line schematics for the 32s and the 33s, but no model 32 telex call control info. Thanks and hope to hear from you, George, W7KSJ - - Webmaster, WWW.RTTY.COM [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Anyone who can help George please submit their replies directly to his attention. Thanks. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:37:41 -0700 From: a.ross@ieee.org (Arthur Ross) Subject: Re: Audio-Visual, Multimedia Component to Digest TELECOM Digest Editor wrote: > I'd like to get some thoughts from regular users of telecom-digest.org > about possible changes and additions to the web site involving regular > use of multimedia presentations. It would be a bit too much for me to > do on any regular basis in any quantity without assistance from those > of you who are interested. > Another idea is a 'call-in talk show' format; someone who is a good > conversationalist in telecom would agree to take phone calls from > people at a certain time perhaps one evening per week; discuss with > the caller whatever the subject was, and the entire thing would be > taped, then converted to Real Media format, and downloaded to the > web site for playback by interested listeners over the next week until > the next edition was prepared. You might call this a sort of 'Telecom > Digest Talk Show' with essentially it being the same thing as you > read here, only in audio format, with a half dozen callers. Pat: Has the thought ever occurred to you of doing a REAL radio talk show? I've kind of thought, in the back of my mind for a long time now, that something along the lines of "Car Talk" for telephony (with a very broad definition, perhaps mixed with popular computer technology) MIGHT ACTUALLY WORK. Considering some of the stupid nonsense that gets broadcast daily and the popular misconceptions about the technology, a well-done consumer-oriented thing on communications might actually make GOOD SENSE! The public is, in many ways, being unmercifully ripped off by corporate America, telemarketers, and electro-snake-oil salesmen. all in the middle of this intergalactic soap opera that is the war for the eyeballs of the world (a.k.a. "broadband access"). Real information, sans techno-babble, avec good humor, would be a real public service. You might think about it. Some of these threads that have been going on lately are good examples of the sorts of folklore, mythology, and ripoffs that permeates the popular perception of telecom ... e.g. the probable-hoax Darwin story, the lightening "surge" nonsense, the slamming & cramming, etc. And then there is all that really interesting Bell System history ... guys getting a Nobel Prize for, in effect, cleaning the pigeon droppings off their antenna, and other such stories. ... and I would happily volunteer to assemble the library of pop telephone songs, of which there are plenty ... just like all those car songs, although I don't know of too many accompanied by banjos! -- Best -- Arthur :-) PS: Biggest deterrents may be - 1. Need a good sense of timing, a la Jack Benny, Tom and Ray, Flip Wilson. 2. Telecom companies have good lawyers and lots of money, so you would have to be very careful about what you say (Tom and Ray have, on occasion, received missives from the legal departments of some car companies, mostly Chrysler, as I recall - something about their appearance on a Frontline TV program ...). 3. Need someone with money willing to fund it and air it. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Regards the contents of the main part of your note, you are more than welcome to begin such a program or series of programs if you like. I'll be happy to make them available here on the net. Regards putting them on a 'real radio station' I am afraid I cannot help you with that, since I prefer to not put my material or my presence on that media. Years ago I did two or three talk show things along with Fred Goldstein but that was before the World Wide Web was in general use, and there were not as many ways to reach a large audience. Now with netcasting of a wide variety of programs going on as a common, routine thing, there is really no reason to bother with television and radio, neither of which I have cared much about in recent years anyway. Let me address your postscript points: Regards a sense of timing, no television or radio station is going to put me on an endless loop tape playing over and over whenever someone happens to watch/listen. On the other hand, netcasting on the web allows your program to be available at any time of day or night that it is convenient for a netter to 'tune in.' Unlike radio or television, where reception is a chance matter depending on how the signal propogates in the atmosphere, and in any event you only can count on reception within a limited distance of the transmitter, on the net, anyone in the world, anyplace, anytime, can view your presentation, and there are numerous web sites serving as promotional tools; i.e. a sort of {TV Guide} magazine of netcasts. The people at Real Media for example have a very comprehensive listing on a web site of programs being netcast both listed by time of day and subject matter. Broadcast.com is another site doing the same thing. Naturally one also uses search engines to be listed and/or search for entries. That's point one. Your second point was that telco has good lawyers 'so you have to watch what you say' ... and while that is true, it would seem to apply equally on the net. We've seen lawyers attack webmasters have we not, and sometimes for the damndedest things and the silliest excuses because they had a client whose feelings got hurt or whose ego got battered a little. Large corporations are not accustomed to having the general public talk back to them or sass them. On radio/television or the print media, they can control that sort of thing a lot easier than they can on the net. See my answer to your final point for more on this. Then you mention having to raise the money to put the program on the radio or television, 'finding someone willing to fund it and air it'. One of the reasons large corporations do not experience a lot of problems in the broadcast or print media is because while on one day they are they subject of discussion, the next day they are the sponsor or funding source for other discussions. What newspaper is going to be critical of any company which purchases full-page advertisements at least once a week or more often? What radio or television station is going to be critical of the company whose musical jingle they play several times daily? Telco is in that position. Even just a hint from AT&T, MCI or Sprint that they would pull every nickle of advertising away from CBS is sufficient to send the brass running to the news director to get an unfavorable news item or unfavorable feature story killed. I would have a hard time with the boundaries they would set, but more important to me, I would feel like I was purchasing the services of a prostitute. To them, it would just be one more way to make a buck, brokering fifteen or thirty minutes of their air space -- and I quite honestly could never conceive of some radio station doing it the other way around and purchasing *my* production and paying *me* for the program -- to let a few people get on the air to complain about the telephone company. Then too, most of the print and broadcast media have never yet come to grips with the reality of the internet as a legitimate forum of communication and exchange. Let's just say many of them are still in denial where the internet is concerned. Given a choice between running a decent, accurate presentation about things going on here on the net or presenting a lurid, perhaps untrue, but certainly out of context story about 'hackers', sexual offenders, and scams, which do you see printed? One of the worst offenders is the {New York Times}, and that polly-parrot they have screeching for them all the time named John Markoff. I mean, look at the way they have lied through their teeth every time they got a chance about Kevin Mitnick. Markoff has done nothing but lie about Mitnick every time he printed anything about him at all. The other newspapers on their syndicate then gobble it all up as Gospel Truth. This is a trend which began back about 1989 with Joe Abernathy and his ludicrous 'reporting' about the net which has continued to this day. And as the print media in particular sees the internet encroaching into its previously untouchable monopoly, they turn up the volume control on Markoff and a couple others, having them recite their litanies and chants with even more fervor. At least one headline each week with some negative story about the internet seems to be the goal of most newspapers. I used to go on the radio a lot back in the 1970's; CB of course, but commercial stations as well with talk programs and the like. And I would sometimes be in the newspapers. I produced the thirty minute radio version of the Chicago Sunday Evening Club for about six or eight months in the late 1960's. There was really little choice in those days since there was no internet. But Arthur, the print and broadcast media are NOT your friend; the internet is cutting deeply into their profits, to say nothing of causing them to lose control over who gets to say what, when, and where. I am surprised Arthur, that you would even suggest cutting a deal with them when the Internet offers all the same and even more. And here, I don't have to 'find someone to fund it' ... because everything here on the net is free you know ... well you know how that goes, but you know what I mean. I've only been on television three or four times, I don't remember for sure. Once was when I was a witness in the federal railroad safety investigation of the Illinois Central train crash which killed quite a few people on the train and once for some 'man on the street' interview thing where they stopped people who were walking along and ask them their opinion on some topic or another. A television station produced a version of the Star Spangled Banner to use at their sign off time each night which had my picture in it for a couple seconds. As the anthem begins playing the video portion shows a Chicago Transit Authority bus pulling up at a curb. A close up shows the bus driver opening the door and with a smile welcoming you to climb on board. Then the remainder of the anthem plays with quick, five second scenes of people in different Chicago neighborhoods; a family sitting on their front porch, some students in a school room, some workers at one of the steel mills on the south side of the city, etc. I was around nineteen years old; I was standing with a friend of mine in the entrance of the old Greyhound terminal in downtown Chicago; the people making the video had us wave at them. That got three or four seconds of time in the middle of the anthem. The little one minute, ten second video was entitled 'Chicago Sketches and our National Anthem' and the station used it for a few years every night when they signed off the air at midnight. As the anthem would end, the CTA bus would be seen pulling up to a curb again, and the driver waving goodbye. I think they quit using it about 1965 or maybe 1970 and started using the National Anthem video that was produced by the Sierra Club. The one time I did have something planned for television it was a total disaster. I was part of an organization which did volunteer work at the Chicago Public Library, in fact I did that for a number of years, making tape recordings of books for people to 'read' who were visually disabled. With some other people, I put together a video which was a tour of the library; a look at different areas and exhibits, things like that. One of the TV stations was going to show it in a public service time slot at 11 AM on Sunday morning. The night before the show was to air, the TV station had some sort of technical problem which they got temporarily fixed, but they then announced they would be off the air the next day (Sunday) until noon while the problem was corrected permanently. The people at the station said to me not to worry, they had many public service programs on Sunday morning, and they would just bump everything scheduled back one week; my program about the library would be aired the next Sunday morning instead. So far, so good. Well, the next Friday, President Kennedy was assasinated. All the TV stations everywhere carried nothing but that event the rest of the day and all day Saturday. By Sunday, they were all going back on to their regular schedules and the station said to me that the library program would be aired as planned at 11:00 AM. It did in fact start at 11 and was on the air for one or two minutes when there was a break-in by the news department saying that there would be an interupption of two or three minutes while they had coverage from Dallas. Lee Harvey Oswald, the guy it was alleged killed Kennedy was being transported from the city jail in Dallas to the county jail and they wanted to cover that. They had been having live coverage at the Dallas Police Department for a minute or so, and announced that Oswald was being led away. All the cameras closed in on him, all the reporters started flashing pictures and asking him questions about why he shot Kennedy. All of a sudden out of nowhere comes a man named Jack Ruby who walks right up to where the police have Oswald handcuffed. Ruby pulls out a gun, looks at Oswald and says, 'you son of a bitch, you shot the president, and now I am going to shoot you' ... and bang! Well, that was the end of any plans to return back to the local station and the program I had planned about the tour of the library. For the rest of the day, television stations everywhere just dealt with that event. At about five minute intervals the rest of the day and evening, the TV announcers would say 'in case you just tuned in, we have a great picture we want to show you ...' and they would show Oswald walking down the hallway in handcuffs and Ruby walking up to him and shooting him. After the original viewing, on the replays they silenced the audio on Ruby for the first five words, not preferring to have that phraseology going over the airwaves. You saw Ruby's angry face, his nostrils flaring and could tell he was speaking angrily, but the audio of the gun shot was always heard at the end. After shooting Oswald, Ruby calmly handed his gun over to a police officer there, and waited quietly to be arrested. The library video never did get aired. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #182 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jul 1 19:58:21 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA09579; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:58:21 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907012358.TAA09579@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #183 TELECOM Digest Thu, 1 Jul 99 19:58:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 183 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson I Repeat: I Am Not a Racist (Joey Lindstrom) Re: So Now I'm a Racist? Says Who? (Mike Fox) Re: Manhattan Overlay Code Finally Inaugurated (Linc Madison) EPABX Callback Problem (Alonzo Alcazar) Re: 10- (or 11-) Digit Dialing: Why Mandatory? (Neal McLain) Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:33:56 -0600 Reply-To: Joey Lindstrom Subject: I Repeat: I Am Not a Racist My apologies in advance for what has turned out to be a rather long-winded rant, but these issues are, in my opinion, rather important, and I can't just let Mr. Goudreau's comments stand as the last word on this subject. On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:36:11 -0400 (EDT), Bob Goudreau wrote: > But how much is "too great"? Please be specific, using hard numbers > of minutes and cents. So far, none of the people who have snidely > dismissed the rates to Caribbean NANP members as too high but who > still want Canada to be 1+ dialable have ever put forth any > *objective* criteria that could be used to decide which NPAs "deserve" > the privilege of 1+ dialing and which do not. I will repeat the > challenge I originally offered, and which no one has yet answered with > any specific facts or numbers: Let me sum up your challenge the way I and many others here interpreted it, and you tell me where I've gone wrong, ok? > I feel that any argument in favour of forcing Caribbean countries to > be 011 dialable is racist because the people there have dark skin, > particularly since many of the people putting forth that argument are > in favour of keeping Canada 1-dialable, and Canada is mostly white. It > is up to you to prove me wrong." Bull hockey. If you wish to assert that people are being racist, PROVE IT! Put forth some arguments that are a bit stronger than "dark people happen to live there". You're making the accusation, the onus is upon you to prove the allegations. You have failed miserably in doing so. Racism remains a serious problem. But a growing problem is the "crying wolf" syndrome. Every time someone cries racism where it may not actually exist, or at least where the evidence is awfully darned slim, it diminishes every case of REAL racism. You're contributing to the problem, not helping it, and you're clouding up what should be a very clear-cut telecommunications (ONLY!) issue. You've acknowledged that, because I also feel that US calls to Canada should ALSO be 011, that that makes me cool and non-racist. Well thank you very freakin' much Bob. But wait: the jury's still out! I *COULD* be racist... I mean, after all, some people in the US might place a call to the Tsuu T'ina Reserve or Inuvik or someplace up in sunny Nunuvut, and we can't have them doing THAT without putting a special "nigger-prefix" in front of the phone number, now can we? (Note to anyone offended by my use of the term "nigger-prefix" - I am, in the words of Rush Limbaugh, "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd". This is, after all, what Bob is telling us we're advocating.) > The recent proclivity of US callers to being more cavalier about their > 1+ dialing (the "heck, it only costs ten cents a minute these days" > attitude) is hardly something that the Caribbean countries or their > telcos can be blamed for. The countries, no. The telcos, yes. These are the same people that will let a tele-sleaze operator set up in New York with a phone number in (country "x") which doesn't actually GO to that country, but routes back to New York at standard long distance rates. The difference in rates is then pocketed between the telco and the tele-sleaze operator. Do I have the facts and figures to back it up? No, I don't. Others here may, but if they don't provide them, that doesn't make them racists - it just means the tele-sleaze operators and the Caribbean telcos are pretty darned good at keeping secrets. We all know this is going on, and it is this type of activity that is specifically being called into question. The tele-sleaze operators, with willing accomplices in the telcos that operate in the Caribbean, are bilking money from unsuspecting people (mostly white US citizens) who are led to believe that the number they are dialing is in the US - indeed, most of their ads read "no charge, only regular LD rates apply". What's "regular" about 70 cents/minute (or much higher in some cases)? The operator pays 10 cents a minute and splits the remaining 60 cents with the Caribbean telco. >> That's the only issue here, Bob. The skin colour of the people being >> called isn't the issue -- and I think it could be argued that most of >> the scam operators who do operate these Caribbean-based sex-lines and >> whatnot are, in fact, rich AMERICAN white people. > And yet US-based sex-line operators are not the ones who would suffer > the most from being made completely undialable from US (even via 011-1), > as advocated by the earlier poster; the island residents would be worst > affected. I don't know who advocated that (making these countries completely undialable) but can you honestly see THAT coming to pass? No, what most of us who are espousing this view are advocating is requiring that these countries go to 011 dialing. All this does is add international toll-alerting to calls made to those countries. Nobody would be made to suffer simply because people in the US who might want to call them are being given a heads-up that the call they're about to make is *NOT* domestic. And this is why calls to Canada should, too, be 011 - there's a higher rate involved. Not nearly as much higher, but higher. If I live in Stoke-on-Trent in England and I place a call to Dublin, Ireland, it goes as an "international" call (dialed with the "00" prefix, followed by country code 353, then the city and local numbers) and the rates are higher. Logical? > I will point out that I was not the one accusing certain countries of > "bad behavior", of "sponging off" international gateways and > advocating that those countries be "put on notice" about being kicked > out of the NANP, all without specifying exactly what rules or laws or > guidelines those countries would need to meet, or why Canada > automatically qualifies for the privilege of 1+ dialing and they do > not. Sorry if it pains you to hear it, but I found that entire "you > don't qualify but we won't tell you exactly why" attitude just a bit > too reminiscent of practices such as the literacy tests that were used > to exclude many black voters in the Jim Crow South. As I don't share your background, I don't find myself nearly as suspicious of the motives of others here. I grew up in Canada, and while I won't make the claim that we're entirely free of racism, we certainly don't have the same emotional baggage that you've had to put up with for the past several centuries. I will acknowledge that this (hidden-racism practices) is something to be guarded against, but I'm telling you in no uncertain terms that I am not racist and that my reasons for advocating 011 dialing for all international calls is for the reasons I've already delineated, and for no other. I also believe the same holds true for everyone else who has posted in favour of this plan, but of course I cannot claim to know the minds of others. But I repeat my earlier statement: it's up to you to prove racism since you're the one making the claim. There is a feeling these days that anyone accused of such nasty things as racism, or rape, or child molestation, or any of a host of other icky things, is automatically guilty and has to prove himself innocent. May I remind you that your own Constitution says otherwise? Come to think of it, mine does too. Even unproven allegations have a tendency to just hang there, forever tainting people who are in fact NOT GUILTY of the crimes they've been accused of. They're never completely trusted again. > I will also point out you have broken the two rules yourself. If, as > you claim above, you advocate that Canada not be given any special > exemption from a blanket "all international calls require 011" rule, > then you are clearly not among the group of people I was berating > above, those who want to keep 1+ dialing for Canada and domestic calls > only but who refuse to explain exactly why Canada alone qualifies for > such an exemption. Your subject line is therefore a nonsensical > strawman, evidence of your propensity to be "too easily annoyed" by > barbs that were not even directed at you. And the fact that you did > not read carefully enough to notice the distinction I made between the > "011 for all int'l calls" group and the "Canada exemption" group is > itself quite annoying. As to both charges, my defence is in my previous paragraph. You've made allegations that, if not strongly refuted, will STICK, regardless of their merit. I chose to refute them even though you claim that I wasn't an intended target of your scattergun approach - because even though not a target, I still got hit. Your accusation was serious in the extreme and you've offered no proof whatsoever, and if not refuted would stain ANYBODY who EVER advocates 011 international dialing in future. Including me. As to whether or not I'm being too easily annoyed, lemme give ya a hypothetical. Let's say I come in here and accuse Bob Goudreau of being a child molester. I also offer no proof, I just throw out the accusation and say he MUST be because he's a Boy Scout leader and works with kids a lot. The next day, Mark Cuccia posts a note slamming me for making such an outrageous post. Is he being too easily annoyed? Or is he rightly and justifiably annoyed? Now, getting to the actual issues involved here, my argument is that calls to Canada should be 011-dialed because of the higher rates. Others feel that the rates are not sufficiently higher to warrant this, and there's merit to this as well - after all, many US carriers charge higher rates to call Hawaii and Alaska, should we have to call those places with 011? An additional argument in favour of keeping Canada 1- dialable, just to play devil's advocate, can be summed up in three words: "Free Trade Agreement". Telephone rates between our two countries have come down substantially since the FTA was signed in 1989 and show every sign of continuing to fall - it wouldn't surprise me if, sometime in the next few years, carriers on both sides of the border began offering uniform rates for calls terminating anywhere in either Canada or the US (ie: no telephonic border). Mexico signed on to NAFTA several years back, but rates to that country are still exorbitantly high. If/when they fall to today's Canada-US levels, then maybe there'll be a push to include them in NANPA as well. But that hasn't happened yet, and so today they trudge merrily along with their own country code and have to be dialed with 011 from both Canada and the US ... yet, oddly enough, calls to Mexico, at least under most carriers' rate plans, are CHEAPER than 1-dialable Caribbean countries. You asked for a threshold number at which point we decide a call should be 011 dialable or 1 dialable. I'm not a telecom insider so all I can offer is my opinion, but how about 100%? That is, if a call to a destination costs 100% more (or higher) than an interstate call between, say, New York and LA, then maybe we need 011 for toll alerting. Depending on the rate plan you select, most calls between Canada and the US fall under that threshold: I recall someone here mentioning he was on a rate plan that offered 10 cents/minute within the US and 15/cents minute to Canada. The two carriers I'm with here in Canada also fall under this threshold: with Sprint Canada, in-Canada calls are 15 cents/minute while US-terminated calls are 22 cents/minute. With Wintel, the numbers are 7 cents and 13 cents. You could make all sorts of arguments as to what number to assign that threshold. Is 100% too high? Not high enough? I doubt, however, that the proponents of keeping Canada 1-dialable would go higher than 200%. In the meantime, calls to the Caribbean nations are more like 600% to 1000%. Quite a SUBSTANTIAL difference, and that's what started this whole debate. You've asked for an OBJECTIVE analysis and I'm afraid I can't give you one, for the same reason I can't give you an objective analysis of the nature of God. The issues involved are subjective in nature. If you need more hard numbers insofar as actual rates are concerned, I leave that as a research project for the student. > On the other hand, I will admit to being extremely annoyed by the folks > who wish to "break" the existing intra-NANP dialing regime based on > a rationale that they refuse to enunciate. However, since it is they, > not I, that advocate disturbing the status quo, I don't think it is > unreasonable to ask them to assume the burden of proof in explaining > both their justifications for the proposed change, and the specific > details of its implementation. That would indeed be reasonable, except for the fact that you took it about 8 steps further and charged 'em with racism. The ball's now in your court. Prove they're racist or shut up. > The only folks I have impugned are the ones who want to give Canada a > free pass but won't explain why other NANP countries are not similarly > eligible. By your own admission, you are not a member of that group, > so it is a mystery to me why you think I owe you an apology. See my earlier "scattergun" remarks. > To others who are members of that group, and who genuinely have no > biases based on race or national origin, I do apologize -- Ah ... a partial retraction. That's nice. Now would you care to name the remaining people who your apology is not extended to, and/or offer some proof that they are, in fact, racist? Your accusation is still out there and I for one would like to see you either prove it or retract it completely. I'm suddenly reminded of a particularly funny Dilbert cartoon, in which Dogbert gets a job as a doctor. His patient is sitting on the edge of a bed, legs hanging down, and he uses that little rubber mallet to rap the guy's knees. As he does so, the patient suddenly yells out "Save the whales! Tax the rich! Crime is society's fault!" Dogbert looks at him pityingly and says "you're a knee-jerk liberal. You can live a normal life, but you'll be annoying at parties." From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom Email: Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU or joey@lindstrom.com Phone: +1 403 313-JOEY FAX: +1 413 643-0354 (yes, 413 not 403) Visit The NuServer! http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU Visit The Webb! http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU Rush Limbaugh's 14 Commandments Of The Religious Left NUMBER 7 Thou shalt not commit adultery. Unless thou aspirest to high political office, useth a condom, or cannot help it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:05:50 -0400 From: Mike Fox Organization: not organized! Subject: Re: So Now I'm a Racist? Says Who? Bob Goudreau wrote: > The only folks I have impugned are the ones who want to give Canada a > free pass but won't explain why other NANP countries are not similarly > eligible. I snipped most of this post, but wow. Sorry Bob, it's not racism to want to protect American consumers from off-shore telephone fleecing operations who are exploiting an oddity of the telephone numbering system to lure people into making domestic-looking calls to areas with no, or dishonest, regulatory oversight. NANP membership should be re-evaluated on a case-by-case basis. It can be a very simple standard. If a country has a regulatory regime such that ripoff calls are recoverable, and their phone market is structured so that there is no incentive for their authorities to attract telephone scam artists, then they can be in the NANP. If not they can't. When you get nailed by a Carribean scam artist and the FCC's response is "there's nothing we can do, it's international" and by the way the country's government does not cooperate with U.S. authorities or citizens to help scam victims, partially because their monopoly phone company profits from the scam, then that country should be kicked out of the NANP. Simple as that. Canada can stay in because they have an honest regulatory regime and their authorities cooperate with our authorities to shut down cross-border phone scams and pursue restitution. Any currently-NANP country that meets this standard can stay in. Any one that doesn't is out. Regardless of the color/language/religion/sexual orientation/whatever of the country's population. Everything is not racism, and it's disappointing to see you resort to that argument here. Mike "We're not against ideas. We're against people spreading them." (General Augusto Pinochet of Chile) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:21:19 -0700 From: Telecom@LincMad.NOSPAM (Linc Madison) Subject: Re: Manhattan Overlay Code Finally Inaugurated Organization: LincMad Consulting In article , Matthew S. Warren wrote: > At , > (free registration required) the New York Times reports, in pertinent part: > Beginning Thursday, customers who sign up for new phone service > in Manhattan may be assigned the new 646 area code, instead of > the venerable 212 prefix . . . Callers could end up dialing 11 > numbers -- 1 plus the area code plus the phone number -- to reach > someone right down the street. (Customers making calls within > the same area code will continue to dial only seven.) > Regulations of the Federal Communications Commission state: > No area code overlay may be implemented unless there exists, at > the time of implementation, mandatory ten-digit dialing for every > telephone call within and between all area codes in the geographic > area covered by the overlay area code. > 47 C.F.R. sec. 52.19(c)(2)(ii) (1998). It seems to me that one of three > things is true: > 1. The New York Times is wrong. > 2. The FCC gave some sort of a waiver in this case. > 3. Telcos are acting illegally. > Which is correct? What is the real story here? And what are telcos > and regulators thinking? Without mandatory ten/eleven-digit dialing, > 646 numbers are going to be an awfully hard sell. You are correct. The situation is as you described in #2, the FCC has granted a temporary waiver of the requirements you quoted. The waiver remains in effect until April 15, 2000, but the state of New York is pushing to make it permanent. The essence of the New York plan is that all unused numbers in the New York City area codes will be placed into a single common pool. That includes numbers that have never been assigned as well as any number retired by a subscriber who has terminated service on that number. The intent is to negate the competitive advantage that Bell Atlantic (NYNEX) would otherwise have in having a larger store of 212 and 718 numbers. Thus, the only way that a subscriber will have a 646 number is if there are no 212 numbers available at all, or if the subscriber is silly enough to say, "Oh, I don't care," or perhaps even to just not think to ask. However, I think that the waiver should not be made permanent, even given the fancy pooling arrangement. Eventually, there will be about as many 646 numbers as 212 numbers, and it will be quite confusing to figure out whether the phone you're calling from is in the same code as the number you're dialing. ** Do not send me unsolicited commercial e-mail spam of any kind ** Linc Madison * San Francisco, California * Telecom@LincMad-com URL:< http://www.lincmad.com > * North American Area Codes & Splits >> NOTE: as an anti-spam measure, replies are set to "postmaster"; >> however, replies sent to "Telecom" will be read sooner. ------------------------------ From: alcazar3@my-deja.com (Alonzo Alcazar) Subject: EPABX Callback Problem Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 05:46:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Hi! I want to know if there is some way, I can make the EPABX call back at my extension. Like for example, i dial a number, and hang up the line. And the PBX calls back my extension. Alonzo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 03:32:15 -0400 From: Neal McLain Subject: Re: 10- (or 11-) Digit Dialing: Why Mandatory? In TELECOM Digest Volume 19 Issue 168 Telecom@LincMad.nospam (Linc Madison) writes: > Incorrect. You CANNOT dial an overlay number IN SAN JOSE, > CALIFORNIA, without the leading 1 (effective October > 1999). > ... California does not permit 10D dialing of any > calls. For example, the 408-925 prefix is local to some > exchanges in the 925 area code. Before the introduction > of mandatory 1+10D in 408, you would have a conflict > between 925-xxxx and 925-nxx-xxxx. But wouldn't 10D dialing (without the 1) *solve* this very problem? Certainly there would be no conflict between 669-925-xxxx and 925-nxx-xxxx. Neal McLain nmclain@compuserve.com ------------------------------ From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:47:23 PST Organization: Shadownet Ed Ellers writes: > The only other problem I can see with modem use on a party line is the > requirement that one yield the line if another party needs it for an > emergency call, but since almost any modem I know of (aside from old > 300 baud jobs) will dump automatically if voice appears on the line I > don't see a real difficulty. Actually, staring around v.32 or v.32bis, the error correction on modems got so good that things like call waiting "clicks" wouldn't knock the modem offline anymore. I'm not sure about voice, but I wouldn't be surprised if the only effect was a lot of line noise. Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort ------------------------------ From: John Eichler Subject: Re: Getting to Know You? There Are Ways to Protect Your Privacy Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:55:03 -0500 Pat, I believe it was in the Digest that I read about LPWA at Lucent. I've used it and think it's great. It's located at http://lpwa.com:8000/proxy_index.html and I'd recommend it to anyone. An excellent service by Lucent for helping insure privacy on the net. John [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yes, that service by Lucent is good. Using a service like that along with an anonymous email address for when you wish to 'sign up' for some service or post a message on the net will get you about as much privacy as you can realistically expect around here. Those steps, plus cleaning out your cache and zapping the cookies from time to time are important if you do not want to have commercial web sites finding out about you and spying on you. I have noticed one user of my anonymous email service has a very clever idea: he took several boxes with variations on his name. Let's call him 'John Smith'. One box is for jsmith, another is for smithj, a third is johns, all @telecom-digest.zzn.com ... he uses one to post in one newsgroup, another to fill in the blanks at a web site he wants to visit, a third to use on some other mailing list, etc. He can tell by which name is used in replies where they found his name; and for spam it makes it much easier at times to track it down if you only used that email address in one place. Anyone can have an anonymous email address on the net by visiting http://telecom-digest.org/postoffice ... take as many as you need, just keep track of the names and passwords you use and don't use them to spam! Boxes which are unvisited and idle for a certain period of time -- a couple of months or so -- are automatically zapped. Even I do not have any records of boxholders and their names, let alone their real identity, and don't want to know about it. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #183 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Jul 2 00:06:13 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA17596; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:06:13 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907020406.AAA17596@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #184 TELECOM Digest Fri, 2 Jul 99 00:06:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 184 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (Andrew Hoerter) Re: Prodigy (John R. Levine) Subject: Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates (B. Lustig) Cordless Phones: 900Mhz and Wireless Speakers (Martha Garcia-Murillo) Re: Cordless phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz (Steve Winters) Re: Telco Circuit Identifiers (Thor Lancelot Simon) Re: Help! A Real Stumper - And I Need Quick Answers (Alan Boritz) Re: Help! A Real Stumper - And I Need Quick Answers (Jack Decker) Wanted: ADSL (G.Lite) on a PMC/PCI Mezzanine Board (Jim Casten) Re: Buffered Billing (Mike Desmon) Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage (Alan Boritz) Re: How to Become an IXC, and SS7 Access (John R. Levine) Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecom (Tony Toews) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. 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Mezei wrote: > Unless those guys can really recreate the SIM card from scratch by > listening solely to the airwaves, this story is not worth pursuing. I am not a cryptographer, but from my reading of the article it seemed to imply that realtime decryption of the conversation itself (without any stolen SIM cards) was possible. ... "special cracking hardware devices could unscramble GSM conversations within seconds, according to Mr Briceno," Of course, Briceno is affiliated with the Smartcard Developers Association, so perhaps it's really a reference to SIM card cloning as you suggest. It's a pity the article doesn't cite any technical source so that we can see for ourselves. And the media has an incredible talent for getting complex stories horribly wrong. Another poster commented that given the nature of his conversations, he felt the level of encryption offered by his phone was sufficient. However, the problem is that key sizes resistant to brute force attacks today could be broken almost in realtime by tomorrow's computers (or 'tomorrow' + n). If you wouldn't feel safe talking on an AMPS phone, why would you feel any safer on a phone that's encrypted so weakly any interceptor could crack it with a minimum of effort? (I'm not saying GSM is at this level today, because I simply don't know) Juha Veijalainen wrote: > But still, decryption will require hours, unless you are a major > government or have a couple of million euros to spend. Actually, I feel it is even worse that a major government can listen in easily, as opposed to a private individual with scanning hardware. It would be a short step to sifting through voice patterns for words like 'communist' or 'drugs', and then using the new E911 tracking technology recently announced by Lucent to keep tabs on such 'interesting' people. :) On perhaps a more realistic note, wireless phone technology has interesting implications for things like search warrants -- since your conversation is being radiated into the spectrum for all to hear, would law enforcement need to obtain permission from the court to listen, or would the traffic be considered in 'public view'? Personally, I prefer strong encryption to assurances from other people that they won't listen, which is mostly where things seem to be going in the US courts. andrew "Head transplantation is not theologically inconsistent with any of the Catholic Church's tenets." -- Robert West ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 1999 10:35:00 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Prodigy Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Don't you just love Prodigy and all > their antics? Can you believe there are people who actually *pay* to > use the service? Not for long. It's been shrinking for years, and will be turned off altogether later this year because it's not worth the expense of fixing the Y2K bugs. Prodigy also has an unrelated service called Prodigy Internet which is just an ISP. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Barry Lustig Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:39:53 -0400 Subject: Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix Reply-To: barry@lustig.com I find that the easiest way to deal with cookies, banner ads, and other annoying things is interMute. Take a look at http://www.intermute.com This is a package that allows selective filtering of banner ads, animations, pop-up windows, cookies, referrers, java, javascript, etc. It works as a proxy between your browser and the internet. I think this is the best $20 I've spent in a long time. barry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:48:07 PDT From: Martha Garcia-Murillo Subject: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz and Wireless Speakers I have been following the comments about 900 Mhz cordless telephones. It caught my attention because I was interested in buying a set of cordless speakers that use the same frequency. Does anybody have any idea or experience on how those phones can affect the sound on the speakers? How about on wireless LANs? Thanks, Martha ------------------------------ From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winter) Subject: Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 20:31:03 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com john@kuwait.net (John Temples) spake thusly and wrote: >> Actually there is yet another newer alternative for you by Siemens >> called the 2420 Gigaset that you may want to research. > Panasonic also makes 2.4 GHz phones with answering systems. Unless I am mistaken they have a rather short record time capacity 16 minutes, I believe, which I consider inadequate. That is the reason we have not really looked into them. Also I believe that particular phone is a 900mhz/2.4Ghz "hybrid". Regards, Steve http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM New Brick Wall "non-MOV" surge protection ------------------------------ From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Subject: Re: Telco Circuit Identifiers Date: 1 Jul 1999 17:45:15 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com In article , Jeff B. Will wrote: > Could you tell me where to look up telco circuit identifiers and > what they mean? They vary between companies. > Example: > HCGS = T1 > LNGS = 4 wire analog > DHEC = ? > AREC = ? I believe Bellcore publishes a set of guidelines for assigning Common Language identifiers ("CLLI"s or "sillys") which may have something on this. Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" ------------------------------ From: aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) Subject: Re: Help! A Real Stumper - And I Need Quick Answers Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 16:04:19 -0400 In article , keith@hot-sauce.com (Keith Samuels) wrote: > Our dilemma is that the video request lines are 900 number based and > therefor track you by your ANI and DNIS. They answer all the calls > centrally and then distribute the call apropriately based on the DNIS > (each city has a unique 900 number). Then they check the ANI to be > sure you are in the viewing area of the 900 number you called (I > assume this is how the blocking works as it is the only logical way to > instantly block on a per call basis and is simply an area code check). Use a calling card and all your calls will appear to be "out of area." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:25:07 -0400 From: Jack Decker Subject: Re: Help! A Real Stumper - And I Need Quick Answers In regard to Keith Samuels' message and the subsequent follow-up by Bill Ranck, it seems to me that there could be a win-win-win solution here. Let me explain. Keith is looking for ANI numbers that appear to be in different cities from the city he is actually located in. He's also calling only a single 900 number from each city (in other words, he doesn't need to change the number on the fly). Bill pointed out that there are Canadian home satellite viewers that have a need to have call appear as though they originated from the United States. Again, they are presumably only calling a single number. The hitch is that in their case the number is probably hard-programmed into a satellite receiver, so you might need some device to intercept all outgoing calls on their line and translate that one number to a different number, which would take the call into the United States (more on that in a second). A Mitel Smart-1 dialer would probably do the trick, although there may be less expensive solutions. So for the first part of the equation, we have people that have a need to make it appear as though a call originated from someplace other than where they actually are. One way to do that is to have Remote Call Forwarding numbers in distant cities. You have the phone company set up an RCF number and point it at the 900 number you wish to call. Problem is, many phone companies get rather restrictive about where a Remote Call Forwarding number can be terminated. Also, you'd be paying for business lines for each RCF number, which could get expensive (of course all of this could get expensive, but for what you are doing I assume that certain costs are expected). The alternative would be to have individuals -- residential customers, that is -- subscribe to plain old Call Forwarding service, then program their phones to forward to whatever number you want to call. In this case the calls would appear to come from residential phone lines. Now, let's bring in part two of the equation. There are a good number of computer users out here that still cannot obtain, or cannot afford cable modem or xDSL type service. Nor can they afford a second phone line, especially since the "Gore tax" and other penalties have boosted the cost of a second line beyond anything reasonable. Many of these folks would LOVE to have a second phone line in their homes capable of making outgoing calls only. But, if they are poor enough that they can't afford a second line, they sure don't want some unknown company running up big $$$ in phone charges on their bill (this would not be a problem for the Canadian satellite owners, since I'm sure they boxes dial an 800/888/877 type number, but it would be a problem for Keith and his 900 number calls). So this sets the stage for a third company to enter the picture. This company would be bonded and insured, and would broker call-forwarded lines provided by residential Internet users. They would arrange with the users' local phone company to have a second residential line installed in the home of a participating Internet user, but the bills would go to the customer c/o the broker at their address (phone companies will send a customer's bill anywhere you ask them to, so long as it gets paid) and the broker would pay the bills from a corporate account. The broker would order the service to assure that what is purchased is minimal service, no extras whatsoever except of course for call forwarding (they might even request toll restriction if the calls are going to a local number). Once the line is installed, they would e-mail that user with instructions on how to program it to call-forward all calls to the desired number (and to re-program it should that become necessary). The residential user would not be paid anything, but would have the free use of the phone line for outgoing local calls only (if a broker company wanted to "sweeten the pot", they could buy accounts in bulk with a local ISP and offer the residential user Internet service either for free, or at a discounted rate). So, the user could call his ISP and hang out online all day on that line, but any incoming calls would be call forwarded to wherever they need to go. Since the ANI is that of the party paying for the call, and since on call-forwarded calls, the party doing the forwarding pays for that leg of the call, the ANI *should* be that of the line doing the forwarding, and not that of the original caller. If a Canadian satellite user called a number in the U.S. which then forwarded the call to the satellite provider's 800 number, the ANI should show the U.S. number, not the Canadian one. Why do I suggest a third-party broker rather than dealing with the customer directly? Simple. The idea is that the broker would hopefully bring some credibility to the mix. As a phone customer, there is no way I want some company make calls to a 900 number from a phone line that is in my name, unless I am absolutely sure they are going to pay the bill. If the broker were bonded and insured, the customer could have a bit more assurance that the bill would be paid. Even so, it's going to be hard to find users who will let you place 900 calls from a line billed in their names. The alternative would be to install a business line (in the residential customer's home) and have it billed direct to the company but even that is no assurance that the residential customer would not get stuck with the bill. I know a guy that is currently fighting with Ameritech over a $1200 bill. At one point he was disabled and receiving workman's compensation, and the insurance company found him what was basically one step above a telemarketing job (scheduling for a manufacturer's representatives). The manufacturer in this case paid Ameritech to run six phone lines into the guy's home (of which only three were ever actually connected), and started having him make calls all over the state to schedule appointments. All went well for a couple months and then apparently the company ran into financial difficulty and closed its doors, leaving the final month or two unpaid. Well, even though the manufacturer had ordered the lines and dealt with the phone company, they (fraudulently in my opinion) gave the phone company this guy's social security number to put on the accounts (which of course they had because they were paying him and needed it for the IRS). They did this without his knowledge or permission. Anyway, Ameritech has been threatening for some time now to shut off the guy's personal phone service and from what I hear they finally did it last week. After the manufacturer went belly-up, and I think in part because of the stress over all this, the guy had a stroke and couldn't even function by himself for about six months. He still is not employed and there is no way he can come up with $1200, but Ameritech's position is that the lines went to his home and his social security number was on the accounts (again, without his knowledge or permission) so he has to pay. What really stinks about this in my opinion is that he was basically forced into taking this job in the first place, by the insurance company handling his worker's compensation claim, which threatened to cut off his payments if he refused to take it. And yet neither Ameritech nor the Michigan Public Service Commission seems to think that makes any difference, they act as though he somehow agreed to pay the phone bills if the company didn't, which was never the case. In fact, he never got paid the wages he was supposed to get for making the last batch of calls, so he was also left holding the bag. So after seeing that, there is no way I would let an unknown company put a phone line in my name and then run up huge bills. Calls to an 800 number or a local number would be one thing, but a company would have to have a VERY good reputation before I'd even THINK of letting them bill 900 calls to any line where I might ultimately get stuck with the charges. A broker could bring that credibility. Also, because the broker would presumably have access to a large number of lines in various cities, they might be better positioned to turn up service in a hurry when someone like Keith needs service. They'd simply e-mail a few of their residential Internet users, telling them to change the forwarding on their "free" modem lines. Of course, none of this addresses the issue of the morality of making a call appear as though it came from somewhere else. Personally, I'm not crazy about the fact that companies can capture your number if you call an 800/888/877 number, or a 900 number, so it the thought that they might get less-than-accurate information once in a while doesn't bother me too much (as noted, the intent is not to defraud them from any revenues they might receive on the 900 call). What I think bothers me more about Keith's particular application is the attempt to deceive the buying public into thinking a song is more popular than it really is. Parts of the music industry have gotten so scummy in the way they deal with the public that I kind of hope they take a hard fall real soon now. Jack (To reply via private e-mail, make the obvious modification to my e-mail address). ------------------------------ From: Jim Casten Subject: Wanted: ADSL (G.Lite) on a PMC/PCI Mezzanine Board Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:52:32 -0500 Organization: Intelectinc (using Airnews.net!) We build and sell an add drop Sonet/SDH multiplexer and we want to add a new ADSL interface. I have an existing module mother board that will accept PMC/PCI mezzanine boards. I need a daughter card using PMC/PCI mezzanine standards to offer ADSL using G.992. Does anyone make this or something similar? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:48:08 -0700 From: Mike Desmon Reply-To: mdesmon@gate.net Organization: Cybergate Subject: Re: Buffered Billing Jim Weiss wrote: > Over the years I've heard about buffered billing and voice-activated > billing. MCI WorldCom has said they're the only carrier that initiates > billing when the call is answered, not after a certain number of rings. > While it seems possible, I'm skeptical but I haven't any real proof. > I'm wondering if this is true and whether there's any documetation or > verification of this. MCI Worldcom is lying to you. Any decent carrier will bill calls based on when the calls are answered and not after a certain amount of rings. At carriers I have worked at, we billed calls when they were answered, although some of our less desirable carriers would begin billing us after a certain number of seconds. That made for some billing headaches. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: In the early days of competition and even for a few years after divestiture, 'call supervision' was not available to anyone but Bell. As a result, the other carriers had to do the best they could on billing, and used somewhat elaborate formulae to arrive at the length of time into a call that should be considered as the point to start billing. But now, there is no reason at all for any carrier to not use call supervision for accurate billing to customers. Run away from any who do not use it. PAT] ------------------------------ From: aboritz@CYBERNEX.NET (Alan Boritz) Subject: Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 15:29:40 -0400 In article , Arthur Ross wrote: > The concept of "power surge" appeared on earth shortly after the first > Star Trek episode, and continues to exist primarily within the minds > of all those Trekkies. No, Arthur, "surges" have been alive and well for many years before we had equipment available to measure them. It's a generic enough term to describe stuff like transients that may or may not have substantial power behind them. I happened to observe a real "surge" one afternoon while working at a radio station in Hempstead, NY. I was looking at an equipment rack with a power line voltmeter, and watched the meter climb from about 115 volts to 150 volts, where it stayed for a few seconds while the building lights were brighter than ever, and then drop back to between 110 and 120 volts. The top local story that day was how Long Island Lighting Company had a system power surge that blew up equipment all over the place. Apparently, I was one of the few who actually watched it with a measuring device. > The subsequent popular folk-belief in them has > been, IMHO, exploited by the people selling these devices. They are > not total frauds, but I don't think they are effective against the > hazards that they are often being purchased for. Nor is it clear what > hazards they ARE for, if any. The packaging blurb on one that I just > looked at is pseudo-technical psycho-babble, with no real substance. No, they won't work in extreme circumstances, but some of them may be very effective in surge/transient environments. In most cases, though, you pay for what you get. > The people who REALLY DO have to worry about this sort of thing, e.g. > operators of big broadcast transmitters that are VERY susceptible to > lightening strikes and consequent damage, use things like spark gaps > and gas-filled tube transient suppression devices in the transmission > lines. These devices, used in combination, can be very effective in > limiting the size of what winds up at the protected device -- in those > cases large, relatively sturdy transmitting tube(s) -- but that's ALL > it can do. You can never get rid of it entirely. No, Arthur, that's not entirely true. An AM radio station can eliminate down time for horn gap arcs by running shunt-fed towers, which are connected directly to ground with no base insulators. Since the towers themselves are always at ground potential, a lightning strike does not interrupt the transmitter's RF output. It also eliminates the potential for induced current from a hit nearby from taking the transmitter down, since the induced current takes the same path to ground. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 1999 11:21:29 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: How to Become an IXC, and SS7 Access Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA >> Oh, you want to put charges on other people's phone bills. That's >> cramming, unless your access is via a 500 or 900 number. > No, I am not cramming. Here's the deal. Let's say I operate a voice > mail service in Idaho, where people call me and listen to messages, > and I want to let my customers press "8" to return a call after > listening to a voice mail message. If that return call is placed to, > say, New York, then I'm going to have to foot quite a bill for the > long distance. What I'd like to do is let the caller press "8" to > return the call, and send a signalling message that would then switch > the call, so the call would be placed (from a billing standpoint at > least) from the caller's billing number. Well, maybe it's not cramming. Maybe it's just toll fraud. But whatever it is, it's not gonna work. You cannot assume that someone making a phone call is authorized to charge anything to the ANI that the call is coming from. It might be from behind a PBX. It might be a pay phone or a COCOT (many of which I can assure you from reading my 800 bills, do not identify themselves as such with the ANI.) There's a reason that every PBX and payphone in the country blocks calls to 500 and 900 numbers -- it's exactly because they put unknown extra charges on the bill. You may remember a brief flurry of excitement a year or two ago about 800 numbers that charged the caller's ANI (directory assistance with call extension, I think.) Same problem. Even if you use a number that sneaks through a COCOT or PBX, as soon as the owner gets the bill, the calls from your IXC will stick out like a sore thumb. The owner will immediately call the telco and tell them not to pay you, just like he does with a pile of other random bogus charges from Integratel et al every month. (The PBX owner will also note that he has perfectly good T1 trunks to his long distance carrier on which he pays four cents a minute, and he's not interested in your service at 15 cpm or whatever you charge.) A voice mail service that can extend calls is not a bad idea, but you have to find a legitimate way to bill your users. Cramming the charges via ANI onto a bill that may or may not be the caller's isn't it. If you're charging your users a monthly fee for the voicemail anyway, put it on the same bill. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: ttoews@telusplanet.net (Tony Toews) Subject: Re: Last Laugh! 1999 Darwin Award Winner is in Telecommunications Organization: Me, organized? Not a chance. Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 06:41:01 GMT Greg Monti wrote: > THOMPSON, MANITOBA, CANADA. > Baker had been suspended on a safety violation once last > year, according to Northern Manitoba Signal Relay spokesperson Tanya > Cooke. Umm, during the '60s I lived in Thompson, Manitoba. Ok, I was a kid but the telephone company was and still is MTS or Manitoba Telephone Systems. So Northern Manitoba Signal Relay Inc/Ltd/Corp? Not a chance. The prefix was 667 but you only ever needed to dial four digits until the late 60s when they added the 778 prefix. Then you could dial 7-xxxx if the call was to the old 667 prefix. And I don't know about you folks but I've never seen a microwave horn that wasn't on a very tall tower. Much, much colder up there. > He had told > coworkers that it was the only way he could stay warm during his > twelve-hour shift at the station, where winter temperatures often dip > to forty below zero. Oh yeah, and its been known to hit -50 or -60 in winter. -40 isn't so bad. Dad used to put regular oil in the manual transmission in winter because otherwise you couldn't shift the gears using the 90 weight oil. > For his Christmas shift, > Baker reportedly brought a twelve pack of beer and a plastic lawn > chair, which he positioned directly in line with the strongest > microwave beam. Umm, if it was that cold the twelve pack of beer would've been frozen solid very fast and the plastic lawn chair would've shattered. > The story Greg Monti quotes above does not say if the family of > the deceased filed suit or not because of the loss of their loved > one. I assume they did; that is the way things are done these days > in most places. Lawsuits, while on the increase, are much less prevalent in Canada. Thankfully. Tony Toews, Independent Computer Consultant Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm VolStar http://www.volstar.com Manage hundreds or thousands of volunteers for special events. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The coldest temperature I have ever been in was 27 degrees below zero, in Chicago during Christmas week in 1982. The temperature dropped below zero four days before Christmas and then things just go increasingly worse for the next two days. If a 'high temperature' for the day of zero or two below zero does not sound depressing enough that first night it dipped to fifteen below zero with a 'high' the next day of ten below. That night, which was the early morning hours of Christmas Eve we hit 27 below in the city as the official temperature, and 31 below in Skokie in the north suburbs. I had one of those little weather radios which makes a chirp and turns itself on whenever there is an important weather-related announcement. *Three times* it went off on Christmas Eve to announce that an historical record had been broken. First, it was the coldest December 24 since they began keeping records around 1875; a few hours later it was to announce the longest number of hours on record that the temperature had not risen above zero then about an hour later to announce that the coldest temperature ever recorded in Chicago had been exceeded as of a few minutes earlier. Then for some odd reason things began to 'warm up' and by early afternoon on Christmas Day the temperature went all the way to two degrees above zero! I was to meet some friends downtown for dinner at 4 PM at Berghoff's Restaurant and when I got to State and Adams Street for a block in any direction the street looked like a lake which had frozen over. Right at the corner sat a truck -- sort of a large van -- with insignia on it saying 'City of Chicago Water Distribution Department' and next to that, an *enormously* deep hole in the ground, twelve or fifteen feet deep. Two men down in there wearing large hip-boots stood in muddy water swirling around them doing whatever they were doing to fix the pipe. At ground level, two other guys had dragged a 'keep Chicago clean' trash barrel over from the sidewalk to where they were standing, had piled it full of trash, scraps of lumber and other stuff, and started a fire in it, standing there to keep warm. The one said to me, I guess it must have happened because of the 'heat wave' we are having today. The pipe had burst about 6 AM; by the time a crew could be called in, the proper maps found in files at City Hall, and the main line shut off at that point, the city had lost around a hundred thousand gallons of water. There was never a period of cold like that in Chicago before or after that week. Normally our winters are mostly moderate, with only a day or two each winter of temperatures going below zero overnight. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #184 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Jul 2 01:50:49 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA21516; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907020550.BAA21516@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #185 TELECOM Digest Fri, 2 Jul 99 01:50:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 185 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Turning the Screws on Content in Australia (Monty Solomon) Disappointing Results (TELECOM Digest Editor) Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage (Arthur Ross) Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (J.F. Mezei) Re: Bell Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 to 15 Feet (J Mezei) Re: Satellite GPS Can Locate Wireless Phones Within 15 Feet (Louis Raphael) New Chicago Area Codes Postponed Indefinitely (Adam H. Kerman) Re: Telco Circuit Identifiers (Art Kamlet) Re: Anonymous Postings in Digest (Bruce Roberts) Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (Phillip Ritter) Website For Your Consideration (Jennifer Martino) Re: Qwest: Raising My Interstate Rates and Imposing Fees (Jin Hwang) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:57:49 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Turning the Screws on Content by Stewart Taggart 12:00 p.m. 30.Jun.99.PDT CANBERRA, Australia -- Rich Siggs is neither a pornographer nor a policeman. Along with a few friends, he runs a 2,500-subscriber ISP here in the nation's capital. But Siggs and his fledgling Spirit Networks have become unwilling street cops in Australia's battle against online indecency. Under a new national law passed Wednesday, Siggs, along with more than 600 other ISP owners, is obligated to prevent pornographic or other online content deemed indecent from reaching end users. http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/politics/story/20496.html (another report on the same topic) By JAMIE MURPHY In a national effort to limit children's access to pornography on the Internet, the Australian government on Wednesday approved a law that would force Australian Internet service providers to remove objectionable material from Australian sites and to block access to similar sites overseas. The law, which is scheduled to go into effect on Jan. 1, 2000, has been widely criticized as unworkable. Opponents of the measure, in addition to criticizing its rapid passage, argue that it will have little impact in protecting children on the worldwide computer network and that it will undermine Australia's Internet economy as well as Australians' freedom of Internet access. http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/07/cyber/articles/01australia.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:00:23 EDT From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Disappointing Results As users of the telecom-digest.org may have noticed, near the top of the front, main page is a hyperlink to 'stats' which shows the accumulated number of hits to the various components of the site during the current day. This is updated at 10 minutes past each hour, and started from zero at 4:00 AM eastern time each day. To compile these, I first go through the MIT master log pulling out the telecom-archives entries and I remove all hits to GIF and MIDI files. Then I go back and pull out all hits to known search engines. Then I deduct my own hits and I arbitrarily deduct a few more for search engines I was not able to easily identify as such. After doing that, the hit count on Wednesday was 6729. The hit count for the seven days ending Wednesday was 35,997. For Thursday, as of 1:00 AM Eastern, the count is 5781, with about three hours to go before closing. MIT cuts the log at 4:00 AM eastern each day, drops all open connections at that point and resets everything, so it is a good time to start my log also. It seems to me however that this amount of usage of the site is very skimpy. I feel that really a successful web site should be and does do a much higher volume. Several years ago, there was a monthly report on Usenet detailing the actual and estimated traffic for each news group. This associated newsgroup, comp.dcom.telecom averaged about 60-65 thousand readers per day at that time, but I have not seen that report now for a few years and do not even know if it is still published or not. Does anyone know if there are network traffic reports around these days which discuss newsgroup and web site readership? I've not been able to find a thing on it. In June there was about 135,000 hits for the month (as stated above less GIF stuff) and it just seems to me that is not very good. PAT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:14:10 -0700 From: a.ross@ieee.org (Arthur Ross) Subject: Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage At 3:29 PM 7/1/1999 -0400, Alan Boritz wrote: >In article , Arthur Ross > wrote: > I happened to observe a real "surge" one after noon while working at > a radio station in Hempstead, NY. I was looking at an equipment rack > with a power line voltmeter, and watched the meter climb from about > 115 volts to 150 volts, where it stayed for a few seconds while the > building lights were brighter than ever, and then drop back to between > 110 and 120 volts. The top local story that day was how Long Island > Lighting Company had a system power surge that blew up equipment all > over the place. Apparently, I was one of the few who actually watched > it with a measuring device. I quite agree with that interpretation. If someone asked me to define "surge" I would describe it as you do - an out-of-tolerance overvoltage that persists for a long time (seconds, minutes, or more). What I DON'T believe, though, is that this is anything like a real, widespread problem. Were "surges" with this definition really common there would be a high incidence of burned-out air conditioners, refrigerators, other appliances etc, due to overheated motors, etc. You yourself support that opinion by pointing out that the indcident was so unusual that it made the local news and was a source of widespread damage. There does seem to be a popular tendency to use the word "surge" for what I would call a "transient" - hard to say whether the change is a result of a misunderstanding or a true shift in intent - such is the evolution of languages. I too have watched power monitors. We used to have a rather fancy recording power monitor associated with a medium-sized computer facility (of the type that hardly anyone has anymore because the WINTEL machines have grown so enormously in capability) that I worked in. We were concerned about occasional crashes, and bad power was one of the suspects. Over a span of months we NEVER saw any large, prolonged changes such as you describe. We saw small variations (few %) through the day (this was a light industrial neighborhood of San Diego). What we DID see on a daily basis was big, rather short transients, which occurred at about the same time every day. An inquiry to SDG&E elucidated the fact that this was when they swithed over some large transmission facilities in order to accommodate the shifting diurnal changes in demand. >> The subsequent popular folk-belief in them has >> been, IMHO, exploited by the people selling these devices. They are >> not total frauds, but I don't think they are effective against the >> hazards that they are often being purchased for. Nor is it clear what >> hazards they ARE for, if any. The packaging blurb on one that I just >> looked at is pseudo-technical psycho-babble, with no real substance. > No, they won't work in extreme circumstances, but some of them may > be very effective in surge/transient environments. In most cases, > though, you pay for what you get. I beg to differ with respect of the "surges" - granting for the sake of argument that they are a real problem, which I don't believe. The devices that I seen in consumer-oriented stores describe their clipping voltage as several HUNDRED volts (a typical outlet strip that I found in the garage says 400V). That will do almost nothing for a prolonged 50% increase in voltage. If the clipping threshold were reduced to the point where it DID reduce a 50% increase to something smaller, it would burn up due to excessive dissipation. MOVs are intended as transient suppressors, capable of absorbing so-many Joules in a short time (like milliseconds or less), provided there is enough time between repetitions for it to cool off. The only thing that I can see them doing is reducing the magnitude of the transient that hits the protected power supplies. Those very short transients typically won't make it through the power supplies anyway, although there is potential for damaging the supply itself. >> The people who REALLY DO have to worry about this sort of thing, e.g. >> operators of big broadcast transmitters that are VERY susceptible to >> lightening strikes and consequent damage, use things like spark gaps >> and gas-filled tube transient suppression devices in the transmission >> lines. These devices, used in combination, can be very effective in >> limiting the size of what winds up at the protected device -- in those >> cases large, relatively sturdy transmitting tube(s) -- but that's ALL >> it can do. You can never get rid of it entirely. > No, Arthur, that's not entirely true. An AM radio station can > eliminate down time for horn gap arcs by running shunt-fed towers, > which are connected directly to ground with no base insulators. Since > the towers themselves are always at ground potential, a lightning > strike does not interrupt the transmitter's RF output. It also > eliminates the potential for induced current from a hit nearby from > taking the transmitter down, since the induced current takes the same > path to ground. Quite so -- I didn't mean to imply that gaps are the ONLY way of doing it. But, as you say, you pay for what you get. And even with the shunt feed there is still a transient that goes back up the line, but it is small enough to be not a problem relative to the susceptibility of the things that see it. You point out, by the way, one of the problems with lightening protection, especially as it applies to outdoor, overhead high voltage transmission lines. What often disrupts the service is not the lightening strike itself, but the arc that that the lightening strikes between the conductor and ground. Once gas breakdown has occured, the voltage drop through the ionized gas is very low, and the arc is maintained by fault current from the line itself, until the circuit breakers fire (an awesome phenomenon, that). To stop the fault, the current must be interrupted. I gather from your comments that the same sort of phenomenon occurs in ungrounded AM transmitter structures, motivating the metallically continuous feed structure that precludes this problem. I stand by my original statements. These mass-market "surge suppressor" things are sortof an electro-technical equivalent of a placebo drug - their effectiveness is largely in the minds of their purchasers. In reality they are a bit more than a placebo, but the hazards that they are effective against are relatively rare - big inductive loads being switched off, sharing the same AC service - that sort of thing. As was mentioned by a previous author in this thread, good grounding in your utility wiring is probably more important. Some strange effects can be caused by excessive impedance between the neutral side of the household wiring, the center tap of the streetside utility transformer, and the real earth ground. An especially entertaining one is the disconnected neutral - you wind up with your household circuits, in two groups, across 240 volts in series. You turn on the toaster and the lights get bright somewhere else in the house, for example - very hazardous to your appliances - all of them, not just computers. Thank you for your comments! -- Best -- Arthur PS: While it may no longer be published, the GE corporation used to have a nice application guide titled "Transient Voltage Suppression Manual." Contains detailed discussion of the potential sources of transients and how to deal with them (usually using their MOV devices, of course). ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:20:24 -0400 Andrew Hoerter wrote: > interesting implications for things like search warrants -- since your > conversation is being radiated into the spectrum for all to hear, > would law enforcement need to obtain permission from the court to > listen, or would the traffic be considered in 'public view'? There was an AMPS incident in Quebec a few years ago where a reporter was listening in on the Cantel frequencies near a building where constitutional negotiations were being held and heard the Quebec PM's secretary/assistant make a call and saying thet the PM was selling Quebec out. This, of course, made big news and forced the PM to back down on a deal he was supposed to have struck. The federal government quickly passed a law stating that telephone airwaves were not public and it was an offence to listen to them. Remember that these frequencies are property of the government (in Canada at least). > Personally, I prefer strong encryption to assurances from other people > that they won't listen, which is mostly where things seem to be going > in the US courts. If you are important enough that you really need strong encryption, I am sure that you can get a specialised phone that has added encryption at both ends. But for us regular mortals, even weak encryption prevents casual eavedropping. ------------------------------ From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Re: Bell Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 to 15 Feet Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:22:25 -0400 I may be thick, but do they seriously expect to retrofit all handsets to incorporate that mini-GPS unit and logic ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I was really hoping that they would have use network infrastruture to locate the SIGNAL. Heck, an imprecise measurement would be sufficient if emergency vehicles were equipped with a locator device to pinpoint that phone's location. Analog phone networks have had this equipment for a long time to find fraudsters. ------------------------------ From: Louis Raphael Subject: Re: Satellite GPS Can Locate Wireless Phones Within 15 Feet Organization: Societe pour la promotion du petoncle vert Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 23:34:35 GMT The Old Bear wrote: > Lucent said that, in addition to the obvious 911 application, this > technology could be used to tailor information such as local traffic > information and driving directions to a caller's location. Or as *yet* one *more* way for Big Brother to track you down. Possibly, I'm being paranoid, but I suspect that this may have been a part of the government's motivation. Louis ------------------------------ Subject: New Chicago Area Codes Postponed Indefinitely Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX since 1982 From: ahk@chinNYETSPAMet.com (Adam H. Kerman) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 03:35:38 GMT Will wonders never cease! At its meeting Wednesday, the Illinois Commerce Commission postponed indefinitely the opening of any new area codes to serve Chicago, rejecting industry arguments about imminent shortages in numbering space. The Ill.C.C. actually made a tough decision! New area codes halted http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/01code.html ------------------------------ From: kamlet@infinet.com (Art Kamlet) Subject: Re: Telco Circuit Identifiers Date: 2 Jul 1999 00:14:39 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Reply-To: kamlet@infinet.com In article , Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > In article , Jeff B. Will > wrote: >> Could you tell me where to look up telco circuit identifiers and >> what they mean? > They vary between companies. >> Example: >> HCGS = T1 >> LNGS = 4 wire analog >> DHEC = ? >> AREC = ? These are one company's coding; another may use a different coding, or a switch or other equipment may need to use its own coding. > I believe Bellcore publishes a set of guidelines for assigning Common > Language identifiers ("CLLI"s or "sillys") which may have something on > this. CLLI (silly) is always an 11 character code, and is supposed to be a common language location identifier, where the first four characters are the town or city, the next two the state, and the next five whatever. NYCMNY505L7 might be the borough of Manhattan, the 505 Lexington Ave Bldg, 7th floor (I am making this all up, but this is the idea) CLCI -- common language circuit identifiers are 19 character identifiers which might or might not se the CLLI as the first 11 characters, and then home in on the floor, aisle, cabinet, shelf and slot, depending on how they wish to code. None of these necessarily identify the type of equipment, just where it is. The old 1FR type of identifier is for a type of circuit or type of service and would be specific for that manufacturer's equipment. DA might specify a line feature not a circuit or equipment or location. Telcordia once was the keeper of the first six characters of the CLLI, but I have no idea who handles this any longer. Art Kamlet Columbus, Ohio kamlet@infinet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 19:08:09 -0700 From: Bruce Roberts Reply-To: bfr1@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Anonymous Postings in Digest TELECOM Digest Editor wrote: > Lately there have been a few more postings in the Digest than I > really feel comfortable with from 'names' and 'email addresses' > which were deliberatly munged in an effort to fend off spammers. And when someone posts "oh I need two 14.4k modems so desparately" and I try to respond to that person saying "I'll send you one for the shipping" and find the return address is munged or bogus ... TTFN -br- These opinions are all mine - and I'm quietly proud of them. Bruce Roberts - Long Beach, California [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well yeah, that one caught my eye also. Its really too bad that spammers and other commercial interests on the net have made things so bad that netizens now have to try and hide their email addresses. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Phillip Ritter Subject: Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:57:29 -0700 juhave@iobox.fi (Juha Veijalainen) writes: > Military has never used cellular (whatever make/brand/standard) for > anything secure. Not true at all. In the late '80s, early '90s, Motorola manufactured, and multiple US Government agencies (including DoD) used, the "Cellular STU-III" which was approved for Top Secret communications. This was nothing more than a car-mount cell phone with the same Secure Telephone Unit type III used on landline phones (STU-III) built in. I believe that the STU series, including the cellular version, were all approved for use, and widely used, in NATO and other allied block counties countries. There is nothing too magical about cellular from an Operational Security (OpSec) or Communications Security (CommSec) perspective. You assume from the start that your transmission facilities have been compromised and your encryption has to hold. Cellular is no better or worse than a landline to a security specialist. Of course, the best reliable data feed on AMPS is at 2400 baud (if your lucky). Voice over a 2400 baud CoDec is pretty mechanical with no hope of speaker recognition (kinda sounded like an early computer generated voice with just a bit more inflection). The beasties were a real pain to use! Phil Ritter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:24:00 -0500 From: Jennifer Martino Subject: Website For Your Consideration Organization: Church of the Swimming Elephant http://www.cotse.com I would like to submit my website for your collection of links, please. The Web Page You Have Reached http://www.cotse.com/twpyhr/ Over 150 telephone sounds/recordings! Thanks for your time. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Okay Jennifer, here is a bit of publicity for your web site. I will also add your site to the links page in the Telecom Archives. I hope you have good luck with your efforts. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Jin Hwang Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Qwest: Raising My Intrastate Rates and Imposing Fees Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:28:00 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Jim Van Nuland wrote in message news:telecom19.177.7@ telecom-digest.org: > I was an LCI customer and saw increases that sent me looking. I > settled on "Dime-Line", which (in California) costs 5c/minute instate, > 10c/min out of state, 24/7. There is a 53c/month fixed fee, and a 3 > minute minimum charge. Also obtained a calling card for 40c/call plus > 10c/minute (also 3m minimum). > Dime-Line is the advertised name for VarTec Telcomm, Inc. I'd used > it via the dial-around, 1010-811, for a few months, then had PacBell > switch my primary carrier. I left PacBell for local toll calls. I don't know what program you were on but I get 5 cents in CA and 7 cents interstate. James Hwang, Monterey, CA ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #185 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Jul 3 03:31:09 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA08286; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 03:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 03:31:09 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907030731.DAA08286@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #186 TELECOM Digest Sat, 3 Jul 99 03:31:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 186 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Anonymous Surfing For Users (TELECOM Digest Editor) Re: Do Not Disturb (Ken M.) Re: Questions on Possible Modem Power Surge Damage (Someone) Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! (Louis Raphael) Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations (Steven L. Cohen) More Info on Third Voice (Richard M. Sander) Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz and Wireless Speakers (Rupa Schomaker) Choosing an ISP For a Business (Tom Law) I Am Not a Racist! (Eric Florack) Re: Getting to Know You? There Are Ways to Protect Your Privacy (Someone) Talk Radio and Telecom (Lauren Weinstein) Re: 10- (or 11-) Digit Dialing: Why Mandatory (Link Madison) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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Please request a free catalog today at http://www.sandman.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help is important and appreciated. A suggested donation of twenty dollars per year per reader is considered appropriate. See our address above. Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:07:11 EDT From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Anonymous Surfing For Users After the several discussions in the past here in the Digest regarding the serious privacy problems so prevalent, and the most recent thread on this topic which ran earlier this week, it occurred to me that one feature here might be the most important and useful of all: users having the ability to surf anonymously. Now there are a couple of services like this which ask you to sign up with them. You can use them without signing up, however you are faced with 30-45 second delays on each request and you have to look at their advertising. We discussed the service from Lucent, but unfortunatly it is being removed as a free service later this month. So I decided to build my own for users here. Please check out http://telecom-digest.org/secret-surfer.html The way my version works is pretty similar to others. I just send you through various proxies on your way to your final destination, in much the way that telephone loop-arounds are used. In one side, and out the other, etc; do it two or three times on a single call to fix it so no one knows for sure where you are calling from. The site you are visiting just gets the address of the final proxy server, and furthermore, data that your computer sends out is stripped off also. For the most part, it also gets rid of those obnoxious pop-up advertising windows like you find at Geocities, but this does not always work as well as it should. I wanted to leave things so you could get your own pop-up windows at a site if you chose to do so, plus which the people at Geocities and similar sites are getting very sophisticated about this kind of thing. In any event, my service hides your IP and other details, and it gets rid of *most* pop-up windows, let's put it that way. If you continue to accept cookies, they'll appear to be addressed to the proxy, as though it was the proxy calling the site, which really is what did take place. Before you begin serious, or very personal use of 'Operator Pat' as the service is known, first test it out on a site where you can see the logs; see for yourself what is left in the logs where you visit. I want YOU to know that it works as advertised and that it will not cause any hassles. Then if you like it, just keep on using it. I cannot personally be responsible or liable for any improper or illegal use made of the anonymous web page server, and I strongly suggest that you (1) obtain an anonymous email account to use with it when you are at a site that requires you to register or asks a lot of other questions that are none of their business, and (2) do NOT download images or files which are illegal to possess in the country or state in which you are located. I am sure you will all use very good judgment when asking Operator Pat to connect your 'call'. Obtain anonymous email addresses from Postmaster Pat at: http://telecom-digest.org/postoffice Then do anonymous web surfing via Operator Pat at: http://telecom-digest.org/secret-surfer.html And just for fun, this being a holiday weekend and all, a gift from me to you for your ears at http://telecom-digest.org/MIDI/BANNER.gif PAT ------------------------------ From: Ken M. Subject: Re: Do Not Disturb Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:52:24 -0400 Organization: Netcom Reply-To: pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com Michael Williams wrote: > pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com (Ken M.) wrote in <377B3C1C.7154@ix.netcom.com>: >> Bell Atlantic phone company of Maryland is now offering a new service >> called, "Do Not Disturb." The monthly fee is $3 per month. > Don't like the cost, but this should do it. I like the fact that > you can set this up to be active during only certain times of day, > such as during the legal window for telemarketing calls. Yes it will come in handy. Most of my troublesome calls are usually "Out of Area." > But doesn't this require you to distribute the passcode to everyone? Perhaps > this can best be done by specifying "extension 1234" when you give out your > home phone number. You can compile a list if 15 numbers (local or long distance) that will pass through. The others will have to enter the passcode "after" the announcement. > In general, though, I like it. I'd like it better if it were free, but... Yes -- wouldn't we all! (ken) See some sample photos taken with my Olympus digital camera at: http://www.theupperdeck.com/digitcam/ ------------------------------ From: someone@teleport.com Subject: Re: Questions on Possible Modem Power Surge Damage Organization: As server security goes, it's as if NT wears a 'Kick me' sign. Reply-To: usbcpdx.teleport.com@teleport.com ( at ) ( dot ) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 16:36:47 GMT Although the Willammette Valley only gets about five days of lightning/yr as per BEST Power, the Oregonian several months ago documented phone line surges causing equipment failure. It's real -- which is why there's UL Std. 587A for phone line protection. ------------------------------ From: Louis Raphael Subject: Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! Organization: Societe pour la promotion du petoncle vert Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 03:29:59 GMT Leonard Erickson wrote: > Actually, staring around v.32 or v.32bis, the error correction on > modems got so good that things like call waiting "clicks" wouldn't > knock the modem offline anymore. Indeed. Since I got my new modem, I'm unable to cause it to hang up by picking up the phone line and doing things like flashing the hook and making noise into it. I used to do this when I forgot to hang up the computer and was too lazy to go back downstairs to take it off line. Now, I can't manage to get it to hang up any more. I can already see the lawsuit. I would only do it if I were *very* sure that I would find out if another party were added to the line. I *might* risk it if I obtained an older modem which hangs up easily. Louis ------------------------------ From: Steven L. Cohen Subject: Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:55:49 -0400 I lived in Sicily in the early eighties. The man at the AGIP or IP station would actually be smoking a cigarette while holding the nozzle to fill your tank. They are notoriously distrustful, and suspect everyone getting gas will cheat somehow. The point is that there are no Italian benzina (gasoline) stations on the moon, so I suppose that was not much danger associated with his actions. With all the accidental and irresponsible things people do, how many gas station fires are there per year? It is ridiculous to think that a wireless telephone could produce a spark that was capable of causing an explosion. ------------------------------ From: Richard M. Sander Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:07:33 -0400 Subject: More Info on Third Voice Hi PAT, I just read this in May's edition of Red Herring (www.redherring.com): THIRD VOICE CEO: Eng-Siong Tan FOUNDED: 1998 EMPLOYEES: 11 BASED: Foster City CA PHONE: 650-212-3000 www.thirdvoice.com MARKET: Develops web-based, page-specific message-board software. Both parties do not have to be online to exchange messages. Software can be downloaded for free from the company's website. Planned to beta-test flagship product, ThirdVoice, in the first quarter of this year and to begin service in the second quarter. In partnership discussions with various content providers and online publishing companies. Targets consumers. Competes with personal communications services companies like PeopleLink and ICQ (America Online). FINANCE: Prerevenue. Expects to earn revenues after one year of operation based on traffic brought to partners' sites; will also earn revenues from advertising. Was spun off from Kentridge Digital Labs, an R&D organization funded by the Singaporean government, in September. Raised seed financing of $500,000 in December from angel investors, including former Netscape executives. Raised a first round of $5 million in January from the Mayfield Fund, Draper Fisher Jurvetson, and angel investors. Expects to raise another round in the fourth quarter of this year. CEO co-founded the company and previously worked at Kentridge Digital Labs. Replace 'nospam' in email address with 'rms' to reply directly. GLOBALnet TeleManagement is a division of The Sandrose Group, Inc. Department 724133 * Atlanta GA 31139-1133 +1 770 801-1998 Fax: +1 603 794-5552 http://www.sandrose.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz and Wireless Speakers From: Rupa Schomaker Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:10:41 GMT Organization: @Home Network Martha Garcia-Murillo writes: > I have been following the comments about 900 Mhz cordless telephones. It > caught my attention because I was interested in buying a set of cordless > speakers that use the same frequency. Does anybody have any idea or > experience on how those phones can affect the sound on the speakers? How > about on wireless LANs? I have cordless headphones that run at 900Mhz and used to have a phone (Panasonic) that ran at 900Mhz. If I turned the headphone transmitter off, I could sometimes tune into the phone conversation and listen (obviously the phone was analog). I could even listen to some neighbors. However, if I had the transmitter on I was not able to get the phone to interfere with the headphones (or the other way around). The phone is intelligent enough to change channels if the current one is being used. The headphones (and all the speakers I could find) do not change channels, you tune them once and then leve them alone. I still have the headphones, but now use a 2.4Ghz phone. I'm in the process of setting up a wireless network. This also uses 2.4Ghz. Both devices are also intelligent enough to work around each other. There are some 900Mhz wireless networking devices, but most of the newer ones (and all of the consumer oriented ones) seem to operate in the 2.4Ghz range. rupa ------------------------------ From: Tom Law Subject: Choosing an ISP For a Business Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:51:59 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Reply-To: tomlaw@mindspring.com I've found various ISP comparison articles, all targetted toward consumers. Is there any resource of ISP comparisons for businesses? We need an ISP to provide internet access for about 75 users (thru an ISDN line), as well as web-hosting. I know we could start our own ISP, but we don't have that sort of expertise in our company. Tom Law WP Law, Inc Lexington, SC, USA ------------------------------ From: Eric Florack Subject: I Am Not a Racist! Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:00:45 -0400 In Volume 19 : Issue 183, Joey Lindstrom wrote: > My apologies in advance for what has turned out to be a rather > long-winded rant, but these issues are, in my opinion, rather > important, and I can't just let Mr. Goudreau's comments stand as the > last word on this subject. Nor can I. I /almost/ responded three times, and discarded it each time as too lengthy, and too hostile. However, this time, I think I can respond in brief. At the risk of upstaging Joey's further arguments, I offer the following thoughts: What all of this argument comes down to, is this; If this rate abuse we're on about were to have been noted in any country largely populated by WHITE people, there would have been no charge of racism. Witness the scams we saw involving sex lines in the former Soviet Union. Far less money per call was involved there, far as I can recall. Yet the members of this group gleefully rattled on for days over the issue of rate abuse ... and rightly so. But because blacks happen to live in Caribbean countries, we who have problems with the way of doing businsess, as noted, are now faced with Bob Goudreau's bogus racism charge. Are we now to avoid any finding of wrongdoing if the perp is (insert race here)? Sorry, Bob, the argument doesn't wash. Is racism an issue? Certainly. Apparently, however, Mr. Goudreau, like many Americans, isn't aware that racism works both ways.(Alas!) ------------------------------ From: someone@teleport.com Subject: Re: Getting to Know You? There Are Ways to Protect Your Privacy Organization: As server security goes, it's as if NT wears a 'Kick me' sign. Reply-To: usbcpdx.teleport.com@teleport.com ( at ) ( dot ) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 16:24:52 GMT From lpwa.com, notice of their closing: ...We are launching ProxyMate, www.proxymate.com, ...a commercial service that contains all of the current LPWA features. ...As a result, we will shut down the LPWA technology demonstration ...at lpwa.com, effective July 15, 1999. On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:55:03 -0500, John Eichler wrote: > I believe it was in the Digest that I read about LPWA at Lucent. I've > used it and think it's great. It's located at > http://lpwa.com:8000/proxy_index.html and I'd recommend it to anyone. > An excellent service by Lucent for helping insure privacy on the net. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: After finding out myself about Lucent closing down the service later this month -- at least the free side of it -- I decided to start my own as a free service to the net. As noted in my earlier message today, to do anonymous surfing via proxies visit http://telecom-digest.org/secret-surfer.html PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 23:37 PDT From: lauren@vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein) Subject: Talk Radio and Telecom Greetings. Arthur Ross (a.ross@ieee.org) mentioned the idea of a radio talk show that covered telecom-related issues. Well ... actually, this is a subset of a show I've been working on for quite sometime, though I have not discussed it in detail publicly. The focus is to take on the pseudoscientific and other garbage that is thrown around so often as fact, in technical, non-technical, and policy arenas. So from the telecom perspective, it's a place to discuss the issues and try clear up consumer confusion -- and to help people make sense of it all, in a world where there are millions of VCRs flashing "eights" at this very moment! Guests would include experts, major public figures, advocates on all sides, and all manner of other persons who can shed light on any facet of these topics. I don't want this show to be high-brow or academically-oriented. It's not a "techie" show, though it will have some tech-oriented segments that would be helpful to a general audience. It needs to be informative, entertaining, somewhat confrontational, and a bit off-center. But it also needs to be footed in the real world. "Stop the craziness!" Let's bring on the guys promoting the magnetic healing insoles and the perforated plastic fly-vision glasses. Let's chat with the remote viewers and the reverse speech fanatics. And Y2K doomsday experts? Yeah, them too. Let's see what happens when all of these people confront folks who know what they're talking about. I think the give and take with callers, on all sides of the issues, could be fascinating. Part of the reason I'm taking this to the general radio audience is that I feel that it's important to get these kinds of topics discussed with, and by, people whom you would not ordinarily expect to find reading (for example) TELECOM Digest. There is so much confusion regarding technology and its impacts in the world today, that many people don't even realize the scope of the problems -- until they get burned by one of them! It takes a certain kind of, uh, temperament to do this sort of show. But since I've hosted talk radio in the past and do other radio work (some of you may have heard my commentaries on "technology and society" topics on NPR's "Morning Edition"), I consider it to be a practical yet fascinating task. As for the logistics of getting it all going -- most of the technical infrastructure is already in place. Finding the necessary underwriting and/or sponsor support has been an ongoing effort and is definitely where I could use some help. In any case, I think it's a worthwhile project that could do some real good to help people make sense of the technological world and its effects on our lives. If there are any individuals and/or other entities who would be interested in more details, please feel free to contact me. Thanks much! --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren@vortex.com Moderator, PRIVACY Forum --- http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Host, "Vortex Daily Reality Report & Unreality Trivia Quiz" --- http://www.vortex.com/reality [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Lauren, let me as you one question about this. *Why* would you want to put it on the radio instead of on the internet? National Public Radio is no better, or only a little better than commercial broadcasters. What do you think they are going to say or do when AT&T, which gives them just tons of money every year, gets annoyed at your program? Who do you think they will try to appease, you or AT&T? You would be much better off putting your program on the net rather than attempting to place it with NPR. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 13:52:25 -0700 From: LincMad001@telecom-digest.zzn.com (Linc Madison) Subject: Re: 10- (or 11-) Digit Dialing: Why Mandatory? Organization: LincMad Consulting In article , Neal McLain wrote: > In TELECOM Digest Volume 19 Issue 168 Telecom@LincMad.nospam > (Linc Madison) writes: >> Incorrect. You CANNOT dial an overlay number IN SAN JOSE, >> CALIFORNIA, without the leading 1 (effective October >> 1999). >> ... California does not permit 10D dialing of any >> calls. For example, the 408-925 prefix is local to some >> exchanges in the 925 area code. Before the introduction >> of mandatory 1+10D in 408, you would have a conflict >> between 925-xxxx and 925-nxx-xxxx. > But wouldn't 10D dialing (without the 1) *solve* this very problem? > Certainly there would be no conflict between 669-925-xxxx and > 925-nxx-xxxx. Yes, it would. However, you have to go through the transition to mandatory 1+10D in order to reach a point where you can have 10D local and 1+10D toll. You cannot mix 7D local and 10D local in California's metropolitan areas. ** Do not send me unsolicited commercial e-mail spam of any kind ** Linc Madison * San Francisco, California * Telecom@LincMad-com URL:< http://www.lincmad.com > * North American Area Codes & Splits >> NOTE: replies sent to will be read sooner! ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #186 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Jul 3 16:28:04 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA27465; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:28:04 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907032028.QAA27465@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #187 TELECOM Digest Sat, 3 Jul 99 16:28:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 187 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telecom Act - Section 255 - Accessibility (Jim Tobias) Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage (Gerry Belanger) Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz and Wireless Speakers (Tom Betz) Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz and Wireless Speakers (Martin McCormick) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (Thor Lancelot Simon) Re: Telco Circuit Identifiers (skydoc@email.com) Looking For Rack Fastener Seen at Networld (Larry Klein) Re: Bell Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 to 15 Feet (H Stein) Re: Anonymous Postings in Digest (Tony Pelliccio) Merlin Programming Codes Needed (Justin) Key Systems and Single-Line Stuff (was Re: What Do I Ask For) (Bill Levant) Kevin Mitnick Status (was Re: Army Web Site) (Bill Levant) Horrible Data Connection (Heather Drury) New Phone System Recommendations (Tyler Stewart) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Tobias Subject: Telecom Act - Section 255 - Accessibility Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 06:44:32 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet You may be aware that Section 255 of the Telecom Act requires that "a manufacturer of telecommunications equipment or customer premises equipment shall ensure that the equipment is designed, developed, and fabricated to be accessible to and usable by individuals with disabilities, if readily achievable." and that "A provider of telecommunications services shall ensure that the service is accessible to and usable by individuals with disabilities, if readily achievable." The Access Board has developed Guidelines for this section, and the FCC is preparing complance regulations for it, to be released later this month. What remains is that the telecom industry as a whole improve its understanding of this issue: where it comes from and how to address it. Designing for Usability, Flexibility, and Compliance is a unique two-part course, structured to provide practical information as well as opportunities for hands-on application and networking with people involved in different aspects of the field. The course is presented at the Trace Research & Development Center, where you'll have the opportunity to see and try out some of the latest access and design techniques. Part One is offered August 9-11, 1999, in Madison, Wisconsin. Part Two of the course will be offered October 27-29, 1999. It will provide more technical depth, building on the concepts and techniques presented in Part One. Enrollment in the course is limited to 27 participants, and this initial offering of the course is being targeted to key individuals in telecommunications, as well as consultants and regulatory specialists involved in improving the usability of telecommunications products. Some of the Key Questions Addressed: How do we create practical, accessible (and profitable) products while still addressing regulatory requirements? Where do access features add functionality for all users? What is the "low-hanging fruit"? Why was Section 255 of the Telecom Act created, and what does it really mean to a telecommunications company? What are the market justifications for making products more accessible? What are cost-effective ways of implementing accessible telecommunications products? How can features for different disabilities not interfere with each other, or with the standard product features? Can they be reinforcing? You can get more information about this course, including how to register at: http://trace.wisc.edu/tuder or contact Kate Vanderheiden at 608.265.4621, email mailto:vanderk@trace.wisc.edu Jim Tobias Inclusive Technologies 732.441.0831 v/tty 732.441.0832 fax www.inclusive.com ------------------------------ From: wa1hoz@kona.javanet.com (Gerry Belanger) Subject: Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage Date: 3 Jul 1999 11:18:38 GMT Arthur Ross (a.ross@ieee.org) wrote: > PS: While it may no longer be published, the GE corporation used to > have a nice application guide titled "Transient Voltage Suppression > Manual." Contains detailed discussion of the potential sources of > transients and how to deal with them (usually using their MOV devices, > of course). GE sold that business to Harris. Their 1995 suppression device data book has all the GE info. Harris is trying to divest most of their semi business. They sold the logic business to TI. I think they still have the supressor and communications chip business, but that can change with the next press release. 8-). Gerry Belanger, WA1HOZ wa1hoz@javanet.com Newtown, CT g.belanger@ieee.org ------------------------------ From: tbetz@panix.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz and Wireless Speakers Date: 3 Jul 1999 08:21:06 -0400 Organization: Society for the Elimination of Junk Unsolicited Bulk Email Reply-To: tbetz@pobox.com Quoth Martha Garcia-Murillo in : > I have been following the comments about 900 Mhz cordless telephones. It > caught my attention because I was interested in buying a set of cordless > speakers that use the same frequency. Does anybody have any idea or > experience on how those phones can affect the sound on the speakers? I use a Recoton cordless transmitter/receiver set, and have noticed that using a Lucent 900 MHz cordless, a PCS phone or my BAM-300D in the immediate vicinity (<1 to 2 meters) of a receiver can cause varying forms of interference. If the 900-MHz cordless selects a particular channel, I can monitor half the conversation on my speakers. Moreover, when the 300D is sitting across the room in the charger with its power turned on, occasionally it sends a signal pulse that interferes with my audio reception; I have trained my wife to turn it off when she puts it in the charger. However, I find that the local Ham radio operators interfere with my audio enjoyment much more than any of these telephone sources have done. We have tried ignorance | Tom Betz, Generalist | for a very long time, and | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: | it's time we tried education.| | | YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! | ------------------------------ From: wb5agz@dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Subject: Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz and Wireless Speakers Date: 2 Jul 1999 19:28:48 GMT Organization: Oklahoma State University in Stillwater, Oklahoma In article , Martha Garcia-Murillo wrote: > I was interested in buying a set of cordless > speakers that use the same frequency. Does anybody have any idea or > experience on how those phones can affect the sound on the speakers? There is no one correct answer to that question. The 900-MHZ band covers a little more radio spectrum space than does the FM broadcast band. 900-megahertz telephones come in both digital and analog forms. The analog phones are just 900-MHZ versions of older cordless telephones. Their signals are frequency modulated or FM and the conversation can be heard on scanners as well as accidentally picked up by other cordless phones that might happen to use the same frequency. If either the base or hand set of such a phone uses the same frequency as one or both wireless speakers, one might hear the conversation. The digital cordless phones produce a buzzing signal that covers a fairly wide range of frequencies. It sounds kind of like a vacuum cleaner motor. If it turns out to be on the same channel or fairly near to the same channel used by the wireless speakers, then they will pick up the noise. Having said all that, my limited experience says that the analog 900-MHZ phones use frequencies in the extreme top and bottom of the 902-928-MHZ band. The one cordless speaker I have actually observed transmitted on about 913 megahertz. This makes it well out of the way of the cordless telephones so both should coexist peacefully. A digital cordless telephone might make some noise on the wireless speakers especially if it is very near to the antenna of the speakers. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Data Communications Group ------------------------------ From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: 3 Jul 1999 11:01:00 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com In article , J.F. Mezei wrote: > Mike Fox wrote: >> There are some other benefits to a widespread standard that we probably >> don't even think of in U.S., because quite frankly we can't consider >> having them there. > Herte is another example. > Garmin, a maker of GPS systems has just released a GPS/phone combo > which can be used to trasmit your location for various applications. > (This has nothing to do with being able to locate the caller to 911.) > However, because there is no standard in the USA, they opted for the > antiquated AMPS phone which is the lowest common denominator. Dial > number, wait for answer and it sends your numeric location as touch > tone digits. No way to ensure it was received. And you pay for call > duration. > Had the USA adopted the GSM standard such applications would be so > much widespread. The ability to send SMS messages would be a natural As this one is in Europe, right? Here you go again, taking innovation and twisting it, in your Alice-in-Wonderland world, into something to bash the U.S. over. When Garmin *actually builds* a GSM phone, and doesn't release it in the U.S. (yeah, right) then maybe you'll have a legitimate gripe. Until then, of course, you could pipe down ... I note that you have conveniently failed to notice any of the plethora of new gadgets that use wireless data service, some _only_ available in the USA. A good example would be the Qualcomm pdQ, the 3Com Palm7, or any of their rapidly appearing competitors. SMS (and plenty of other options for *useful* wireless data data service without that silly message size limit) are quite common here as well. To paraphrase your own words, "Had the standards bodies who created GSM not chosen frequencies they knew would _never_ be available in the USA, perhaps European consumers would be lucky enough to have such innovative devices available for GSM sooner." Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?" ------------------------------ From: Doc Subject: Re: Telco Circuit Identifiers Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 00:38:31 GMT Organization: @Home Network The HCGS is a Bell designation, the DHEC is an AT&T designation. If you order an AT&T T1 in a Bell local exchange you would get a similar Bell and similar AT&T designation for the same circuit. Bell -- since it is the last-mile and AT&T, since it is the long-haul carrier that is billing the circuit. Art Kamlet wrote in message news:telecom19.185.8@ telecom-digest.org: > In article , > Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: >>> HCGS = T1 >>> LNGS = 4 wire analog >>> DHEC = ? >>> AREC = ? > These are one company's coding; another may use a different coding, or > a switch or other equipment may need to use its own coding. ------------------------------ From: klein_larry@hotmail.com (Larry Klein) Subject: Looking For Rack Fastener Seen at Networld Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:41:04 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Reply-To: klein_larry@hotmail.com I am looking for a rack fastener that I saw at the Networld show a few months back. I can't remeber the name of the product or the name of the company that makes it (they did not have a booth but were exhibited in someone elses). I can describe it though. There are 2 pieces. The first piece looked almost like a set screw but had an untreaded area where the rack gear would sit while mounting the rack piece. The second piece was a cylindrical cap that cinched the gear. I am hoping someone saw this and can tell me where to find the product. I have not seen anything like it and now that I really need something that will align my gear and hold it in place while I secure it I am out of luck! Typical, eh? Any help or ideas in locating this product would be much appreciated. Larry K. klein_larry@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: herb@herbstein.com (Herb Stein) Subject: Re: Bell Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 to 15 Feet Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 06:37:16 GMT Organization: newsread.com ISP News Reading Service (http://www.newsread.com) I don't want them to find me! If they can find me in an emergency situation they can find me when I didn't brush my teeth! BIG BROTHER -- I'd sooner not be found. In article , J.F. Mezei wrote: > I may be thick, but do they seriously expect to retrofit all handsets to > incorporate that mini-GPS unit and logic ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > I was really hoping that they would have use network infrastruture to > locate the SIGNAL. Heck, an imprecise measurement would be sufficient > if emergency vehicles were equipped with a locator device to pinpoint > that phone's location. Analog phone networks have had this equipment > for a long time to find fraudsters. Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 215-3584 ------------------------------ From: nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio) Subject: Re: Anonymous Postings in Digest Organization: Providence Network Partners Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:10:56 GMT In article , TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to bfr1@worldnet.att.net: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well yeah, that one caught my eye also. > Its really too bad that spammers and other commercial interests on the > net have made things so bad that netizens now have to try and hide > their email addresses. PAT] I use moderate measures to discourage spam but heaven forbid some spammer sends some to me. I don't prosecute, I persecute. I will take every measure I have to in order to make sure that that person never spams me again. If everyone did this, it'd make the world a better place. == Tony Pelliccio, KD1S formerly KD1NR == Trustee WE1RD [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I like your idea, but because of the amount of spam which comes to the telecom mailbox, I could easily spend my entire day prosecuting, persecuting, having fits, raising hell and do nothing else. 20-25 pieces of spam each day is about the norm here, and that is just what does not get filtered out before I get it. PAT] ------------------------------ From: raptor@wwa.com (Justin) Subject: Merlin Programming Codes Needed Reply-To: raptor@wwa.com Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 22:29:01 GMT Organization: Verio Can anyone point me to a list of codes for programming special functions on a BIS-22 voice terminal on Merlin 410 system? Thanks in advance. In replies delete X from address Justin === raptorX@wwa.com Chicago http://www.wwa.com/~laser26/ ------------------------------ From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:52:40 EDT Subject: Key Systems and Single-Line Stuff (was Re: What Do I Ask For?) > like whether or not you can use standard phones or modems on the lines Each trunk on the key system uses three pairs: voice, control ("A-lead") and lights. The A-leads are used to control the lights, and to place calls on hold. If you are going to use a single-line phone or modem, you have to make sure it's wired to provide A-lead control; otherwise, the lights won't light when the thing goes off hook (and won't stop flashing if you answer from single-line equipment) and trying to hang up may actually place the calls on hold instead. It's fairly easy to re-wire an old Bell single-line phone (though I don't know the particulars); I would think that you need either a specially-designed model (or an adaptor) for a single-line modem to work. Bill ------------------------------ From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:56:43 EDT Subject: Kevin Mitnick Status (was Re: Army Web Site) No, PAT, Kevin Mitnick HASN'T been held for four years without trial. He pleaded guilty to telephone fraud in June of 1997, and got 22 months, to run CONSECUTIVELY with 14 months for violating the terms of the supervised release sentence imposed for a 1989 computer fraud conviction. The story, from a Department of Justice press release, follows: (or go to http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/cac/pr/cac70627.1.html) There may be many things wrong with this country, but throwing people into prison indefinitely, without trial, generally isn't one of them. Now, settle down already. Bill 1997-06-27 -- Computer Hacker Kevin Mitnick Sentenced to Prison. Notorious Hacker Gets 22 Months for Illegal Cellular Phone Codes and Violating Supervised Release in Prior Computer Fraud Case. LOS ANGELES, June 27 -- Notorious computer criminal Kevin Mitnick was sentenced today to 22 months in federal prison for possessing illegal cellular phone codes and for breaking the law while on supervised release in relation to his 1989 computer fraud conviction, United States Attorney Nora Manella announced. Mitnick, 33, was sentenced by United States District Judge Mariana R. Pfaelzer. The judge imposed an eight-month sentence for Mitnick's guilty plea to possession of cloned cellular phone codes. The judge also sentenced Mitnick to 14 months in prison for violating the terms of the supervised release Pfaelzer imposed when she sentenced Mitnick in 1989 to one year in prison for his conviction on computer fraud charges. Mitnick pleaded guilty last year to one count of a twenty-three count indictment first brought in North Carolina. That indictment charged possession of numerous fraudulent cellular codes that Mitnick used to illegally access cellular phone networks. According to Assistant United States Attorney Christopher M.E. Painter, Mitnick had more than 100 of these clone cellular phone codes when he was arrested in North Carolina. The 14-month sentence that will run consecutively to the sentence imposed in the North Carolina case arose from Mitnick ignoring conditions of his supervised release in 1992. Painter said Mitnick disobeyed court orders not to engage in further computer hacking or associate with other known hackers. Mitnick violated these orders by breaking into Pacific Bell voice mail computers and listening to confidential messages of security personnel. He also associated with Lewis DePayne, an individual with whom he had previously engaged in computer hacking. As part of his sentence, Judge Pfaelzer ordered Mitnick to spend another three years on supervised release after he completes his prison term. The judge imposed a series of special conditions, including barring Mitnick from possessing any computer equipment, software or cellular phones without the express prior approval of his probation officer. Furthermore, during the period of supervised release, Mitnick will be prohibited from being employed in any capacity in which he would have access to computers, without the probation officer's prior approval. Mitnick has been in custody since February 1995, when he was arrested in North Carolina. Mitnick is currently being detained without bond in relation to a third case. Mitnick faces a twenty-five count indictment returned last year by a grand jury in Los Angeles. The latest indictment alleges computer fraud, wire fraud, interception of wire communications and possession of unauthorized passwords. The charges relate to numerous computer intrusions and the alleged theft of millions of dollars of proprietary software during a 2 1/2-year period when Mitnick was a fugitive. Release No. 97-159 U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California Nora M. Manella, United States Attorney 312 North Spring Street, 12th Floor Los Angeles, California 90012 Main Office Number: 213-894-2434 Public Affairs Office: 213-894-6947; fax: 213-894-5377 Thom Mrozek: Public Information Officer tmrozek@justice.usdoj.gov Archived News Releases/Documents: http://www.usdoj.gov/press.html gopher://gopher.usdoj.gov [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Okay, so by the government's own version of the facts, 22 months plus 14 months equals 36 months which equals three years. He has been incarcerated for four years, and there appears to be no release date for him in sight, since he is being held now while they try to figure out some additional charges they can throw at him. Aside from the fact that imposition of *consecutive* sentences is rather rare -- with *concurrent* (or serve all at once) sentencing being the ordinary procedure, even three years comes down to about a year and a half or maybe two years when 'good time' is factored in. The clock started running on 'time served' as soon as Officer Friendly snapped those handcuffs on his wrist, as did Kevin's right to Speedy Trial, another of his rights that has been consistently violated. So you want to add in still more time, for the time due on the earlier suspended sentence from the early nineties while he was on probation? Okay add another year or so, we are still up to only at most four years, or five perhaps, if they insist that all these offenses much be handled consecutively. Subtract good time and how much is left to be served? So why is he still in prison? That press release you sent dates back to 1997. When he was sentenced at that point he had two year's credit for time served did he not? And according to that 1997 press release, he was being held pending the state charges. Guess what? They still have not brought him to trial on those 'new' (as of 1997) charges. They've had two years to prepare that case, and yet as of June this year, the government still was not ready to go to trial. Doesn't that seem a bit odd? Earlier this year, the court ruled that Mitnick would be allowed a limited amount of time to use a laptop computer in the preparation of his defense. Not a laptop to keep in his possession unsupervised, not a laptop with a modem attached, not a laptop to use without someone nearby observing him; just a laptop computer he could use under supervision in the prison library for a short time each week. He had hoped to supply his attorney with text files pertaining to his case on a diskette. The judge said okay, the prison allowed him to use it once, then the government told the prison to quit allowing Mitnick to use it. Now his attorney is apparently fighting with the government about that matter. Bill, I think it is plain to most people who have watched this case over the past four years that the government has a vendetta where Kevin Mitnick is concerned. You can parse out his different offenses however you wish, and calculate his punishment however you wish bearing in mind that federal judges are required to observe guidelines in sentencing, and it still comes down to the fact that enough is enough. Four years in prison, a couple years on probation before that, a couple years of running which I am sure was no picnic, and whatever lockdown time originally served before the first instance came to trial in the early nineties. All for the crime -- and I do not downplay or denigrate it -- of being a 'computer hacker'. And now they are telling him to hang around, good buddy, we still are trying to put together a case involving 'millions of dollars in software and stolen phone cards, etc during the time you were on the lam ...' Well, we all know how that 'millions of dollars in stolen software and damages to our computer' story goes. I have yet to see a telco or government computer get cracked that didn't have 'millions of dollars in software stolen and millions of dollars in manpower time required to fix the damages, etc ' ... and based on the number of times this has occurred in the past decade, I am surprised the whole industry hasn't gone bankrupt. How many 'millions of dollars' can they afford to spend at one time? (snicker) ... either that or a few sysadmins I've been privileged to work with at one time or another are not as impoverished as they claim. Why does the federal govern- ment assume all of its citizens are idiots? I'll stand by my original statements, Bill. Janet Reno has problems. Kevin Mitnick should be released now. I'd not be surprised at all to see the raids on federal websites and computer installations continue until he does get released. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Heather Drury Subject: Horrible Data Connection Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:19:22 -0500 Organization: Washington University in St. Louis Hi, We have just moved into a new house (new for us) and are doing battle with Southwestern Bell over our data connection. Basically, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and SWBT insists there is no problem. We had this very same equipment/modem, etc. at our old house (five miles away) and it worked just fine for years. We are about 16K feet from the switch. When I connect (using a 56K external analog modem), the modem trains and retrains during the initial link negotiations. It usually ends up connecting at 24K baud. The connection is sporadically ususble up until about 4 o'clock when it becomes UNUSABLE (no response for minutes in a UNIX shell) for the evening. We have moved the computer to the basement and are connected directly to the SWBT network interface (so the problem is not internal wiring). What can we do? We are investigating getting a DSL line but aren't certain we can get one in our area. This problem has been going on for over a month (since 5/27) and SWBT is giving us lip service but not taking steps (it appears) to resolve the underlying problem. Are we really dead in the water, so to speak? I will say we have had technician after technician out (who usually just complain about non-union techs and how terrible the SWBT infrastructure is). We have also had many billing errors (three so far on our first bill). All in all, I really can't wait for some other carriers to enter our area so we can dump SWBT forever, but in the meantime we need a decent data connection. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Heather Drury (in St. Louis, MO) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 10:49:50 -0700 From: Tyler Stewart Subject: New Phone System Recommendations I am soliciting opinions on phone systems. Our company just added a second manufacturing facility (20-30 people). We received proposals for a phone system there and for our current facility (~96 port - 75 people). We may decide to put a different vendor's phone system at our manufacturing facility and keep our current phone system (Panasonic DBS). We will also be connecting the two voice and data networks via T1 using an add/drop CSU/DSU that can integrate voice and data. We have received vendor proposals for a Panasonic 576 with ABS Talkx voice mail, NEC NEAX 2000 With AD 8 or AD 40 voice mail, and Nitsuko 384i with Teledata voice mail. What have been your experiences with these systems? I have experience using the Panasonic DBS system, but I have not been extremely pleased with it since components are very expensive. Plus, we have had poor experiences with the Panasonic vendor. I think any of these systems will meet our needs, but I am really leaning towards the NEC system in particular. The Nitsuko 384i seems like a pretty good system for a key pbx hybrid, but it seems like it's kind of a "cheap" system. It looks like the designers did not spend time designing a quality, ergonomic, and feature rich phone. But, the Nitsuko vendor is pretty good though. I have never used any of these systems. If anyone uses or has used any of these systems, I would appreciate your opinion on the matter. Many thanks in advance! Tyler Stewart East Earth Herb, Inc. stewart@eastearth.com ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #187 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Jul 4 14:43:13 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA28843; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907041843.OAA28843@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #188 TELECOM Digest Sun, 4 Jul 99 14:43:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 188 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson 'Til All Success Is Nobleness (TELECOM Digest Editor) Re: Anonymous Surfing For Users (Craig Metz) Re: Anonymous Surfing For Users (Steve Winter) Secret Surfer Question (Frank) Re: Anonymous Surfing For Users (T. Byfield) Illegal Access of Phone Line (Chad Scofield) Rotary Dial Telephone (John P. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:00:37 EDT From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: 'Til All Success Is Nobleness Correction one: in that little file I linked for you in the last issue of the Digest, I got it wrong somehow in the digest version and the c.d.t. version although I was able to correct it at the last minute for http://TELECOM_Digest_Online. It should have been http://telecom-digest.org/MIDI/BANNER.mid not with the '.gif' on the end ... silly me. Correction two: Issue 186 of the Digest got sent out labeled as 185 in a couple places. It now appears consistently as issue 186 in the archives I believe. If you have two copies of 'issue 185' then the one with the later dating should be 186. Please mark up your copies as such if you print them out or bother to save them. Putting a few thoughts together this Sunday morning: Despite the several serious problems I see in the United States today, and the way our country has drifted away from the ideals and standards of our founders, I still must say there is no other place in the world quite like it. On its birthday, I suppose I should try to say something positive about it. So instead of calling your attention today with what I feel is wrong about America, let me mention instead what I think is right about America. I think if there was ever anywhere in the world that one might be able to succeed in his goals and aspirations, the USA is probably the place. Despite what I believe are many unfair restrictions placed on Americans, I am fully aware that something like Usenet could never have started or prospered in many or most other countries in the world. I am aware that my own personal speech would be totally unacceptable in many countries. Despite the several restrictions that we deal with, the fact remains we still have more personal freedom than almost anywhere in the world; freedom not only to speak, but in large part to act on our speech. What's right about America? ***YOU*** are. Her people, both the famous and well-known, and the not so well-known; the people who have made this country what it is today, 223 years after its founding. Maybe you saw the 'Family Circus' cartoon in the papers a couple days ago. The mother is in line waiting to report for jury duty and another woman is right behind her. Mother is saying what a hardship this is going to be, 'I am a mother, with children to take care of', and the woman behind her, who appears to be of a different nationality says that she also is a mother with children. Mother says she is very busy and has no idea how she can fit in this demand for her time with everything else she has to do; the woman behind her replies that she also had to cancel some of her plans because of this. Mother asks what we can possibly do now? ... and the woman behind her replies, 'I am just hoping I am lucky enough to be selected to serve ...' Then there was the item in the {Chicago Tribune} a few years ago which has stayed in my mind. On the paper's front page that day, a photo of a four year old boy with a big smile on his face waving a small American flag in the air. The picture was entitled, "Our Newest Citizen", and the caption noted, 'Marco, who is four years old, and his mother were among the several hundred people who were sworn in as new American citizens yesterday in Chicago'. A short story which accompanied the picture told of the reception which is held for new citizens regularly at the Chicago Temple Building auditorium following the swearing-in ceremony, and that representatives from all levels of government -- federal, state, and local -- were present to greet the new citizens and answer questions, etc. The new citizens were given personal copies of the United States Constitution and replicas of other historic documents as keepsakes. At the conclusion of the program, the Chicago Temple organist played the 'Star Spangled Banner' and everyone was invited to rise and join in singing the National Anthem. "It was then," said the Tribune report, "we saw Marco with his flag, and we heard him as he turned his mother and said, 'I sure am glad we decided to come here and live, aren't you ...' to which his mother replied, with tears in her eyes, 'I am glad also' ..." And the Tribune concluded with just a note of its own, "You see, sometimes there is good news to put in the paper for you to read. Marco, we wish you the very best, and we know you can make all of us very proud of you over the next sixty or seventy years. Do your best for your new country." ------------------------------- Some governments last only a very short time; others last much longer. I may be mistaken, but I believe at the ripe old age of 223, the government of the United States has been around longer than most, but not all of the others. That should say something in itself. So to the USA readers, I hope your holiday is a pleasant one, and that you take a few minutes to think it all through and decide if you could really do as well anywhere else in the world. PAT ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Anonymous Surfing For Users Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 13:45:05 -0400 From: Craig Metz What software are you using for this? (Many roll-your-own systems have had problems; it's a tougher problem than it appears.) Craig [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This is just a very simple thing based on the way telephone 'loop-arounds' work. When you use the form to enter the desired URL, it goes to cgi-bin where the output gets sent to a proxy location which is 'friendly' to surfers; that information which is sent by your browser is munged before it even gets to the proxy. I have no idea who uses it, and do not care to know. To catch any potential problems with it, I make the suggestion on that page (http://telecom-digest.org/secret-surfer.html) that new users first use 'Operator Pat' to connect with a site where they can either personally review the logs or have a freind do so. First use it in a place where you know what the answers should be so that you can see the kind of changes that are done. Then when you are satisfied that it works as indicated, begin using it regularly if you wish. From time to time of course, it never hurts to audit what's going on by once again using it against one of your own sites to review the results and be certain nothing has changed, etc. PAT] ------------------------------ From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winters) Subject: Re: Anonymous Surfing For Users Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 18:06:20 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com TELECOM Digest Editor spake thusly and wrote: > Before you begin serious, or very personal use of 'Operator Pat' as > the service is known, first test it out on a site where you can see > the logs; see for yourself what is left in the logs where you visit. > I want YOU to know that it works as advertised and that it will not > cause any hassles. Then if you like it, just keep on using it. I > cannot personally be responsible or liable for any improper or > illegal use made of the anonymous web page server, and I strongly > suggest that you (1) obtain an anonymous email account to use with > it when you are at a site that requires you to register or asks a lot > of other questions that are none of their business, and (2) do NOT > download images or files which are illegal to possess in the country > or state in which you are located. I am sure you will all use very > good judgment when asking Operator Pat to connect your 'call'. Are you going to keep some records so that if someone uses your service to place fraudulent credit card orders or similar activity that their true IP source would be available for subpoena? Your lack of responsibility for illegal use of your service has not been put to any test yet and I am not sure that one could count on a disclaimer to hold up. Are you really sure it is such a good idea? I know it sounds good, but in the past I believe that net crud have really abused the best of intentioned and the not so well intentioned anon services. I personally believe that providers of anon services can (and in many cases should) be held civilly liable for all that transpires via their services. Regards, Steve http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM New Brick Wall "non-MOV" surge protection [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Steve, I could just as easily print a tutorial which (a) told people how to get into the code for their browser and adjust its output to hide or change the output, and (b) told people how to write the address line on their browser to point to a proxy location and the type of syntax to use to cause the output to reach that proxy and pass through it to elsewhere. I could have posted a little script and told people drag this off with you back to your own PC and run it each time you want to browse. It would be a little interface which would bring you your browser of choice, diddle with it and start it going. I can tell you however that most of the guys who have proxy type things in place use them primarily for other purposes, and while they do not object occassionally to other people passing through, if I were to sit here and post a list of proxy addresses they would get very annoyed. A few guys who are friendly or sympathetic to the need for privacy on the net have proxies running and allow them to be used by anyone, again provided that things stay relatively quiet. > are you going to keep some records .... Of course not. Records are the very thing I do not want to have around here. If I wrote the whole thing up in tutorial form and made you write your own HTML page with a little form on it, etc should I keep records of people who download my tutorial just in case one of them decides to abuse the information? Couldn't you, if you chose, simply right click on my secret-surfer page and copy the whole thing anyway? How do I know, when you placed that fraudulent credit card order that you specifically came to my site and used my page? And the cgi-bin is not here; it is at a site located on the moon or on some other planet or perhaps some other country. And God only knows where the proxy is at; just some place that when it sees traffic coming it flips it around and sends it back out again. Or is there a second or third proxy in the loop somewhere as well? That might be the case also you know. Oh and by the way Steve, I don't even really have to bother with much of a 'tutorial'. If you look over your browser default settings you will see that no one is forcing you to use the address your ISP issued. And there is also a place to fill in some numbers if you are 'behind a fire wall'. You fill in numbers there to show what proxy address is serving you. If you fill in those blanks correctly, thats who the other site thinks you are. Let's just say I streamlined the process and made it easier for the guys to surf without worrying about someone trying to spy on them or hurt them in some way. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Frank Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:23:46 -0400 Subject: Secret Surfer Question One clarification Pat: It appears that going through your secret-surfer page, I cannot connect to a site that requires my browser to accept cookies; correct? For example, the telecom-digest mail site can't get past login because it thinks cookies aren't being accepted. Just checking to make sure that limitation is built in (since your posting said something vague about cookies). Frank [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yes you can connect to a site which requires cookies if you choose. It is up to you if you leave cookies turned on or not. Cookies can pose a risk, they can be an invasion of privacy.If you choose to visit a site which requires cookies, and if you allow cookies on your machine then the site will ask *the proxy* if it wishes to have cookies, and you will answer yes, and the site will deliver cookies *to the proxy* which is who it thinks is calling. As an example, try the http://telecom-digest.org/index.html page. If you have in the past accepted its cookies, it knows what name you gave it for yourself and the last time you visited. In fact, in this test, first go to http://telecom-digest.org and make sure you take a cookie if you are not already taking one regularly there. Now, try approaching the site (a) through Operator Pat as one example, or (b) through the language translator at Babel Fish. Notice what happens: now telecom-digest.org can no longer find the cookie it gave you last time. Why? Because it is looking at the place that you came from, and no cookie is there. Come through the cgi-bin at Babel Fish or the cig-bin for secret surfer or any cgi-bin you like where some changes were made along the way, and the people handing out the cookies, which includes yours truly, have no idea who you are but of course they are more than willing to hand you a cookie anyway. Now if you visit a second or a third time *before you clean out your cache and your cookie file* via secret surfer or whoever, then the cookie place will recognize you, because it finds its thing from before. Look at the cookies you get from me: they say 'telecom-archives' with a date, your name, etc. Then go look at the cookies you get from me after having gotten to me through a proxy. They will still be there, but when the site saw you coming and went to the proxy and said 'hand over your cookies' the proxy had nothing to hand over, so my response to you was essentially, 'welcome stranger, would you like a cookie so I know who you are next time you visit' ... That is a little bit of an oversimplification, but the sites think that the proxy is a computer visiting them rather than that you are the person visiting with them. Going in via proxy is like you wearing a mask on your face so you cannot be recognized, that's all. You can still take cookies or not as desired; you can still run javascript or not as desired. But refusing those things when possible, using an anonymous email address *and routing through a couple of proxies along the way* all provide layers of security which when used together make your surfing almost -- never totally! -- impossible to trace. Certainly very difficult to trace. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:16:51 -0400 From: T. Byfield Subject: Thanks You wrote: > TELECOM Digest Sat, 3 Jul 99 03:31:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 186 > Anonymous Surfing For Users (TELECOM Digest Editor) and this is just to thank you for making such an excellent service available to your subscribers. Happy fourth! Cheers, Ted [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thanks for your kind words. I hope that Operator Pat can be of help to the guys who want privacy when they are using the net. Nothing is perfect, but using this in connection with other privacy-enhancing techniques should make things a bit better. You still need to deal with cookies as you wish. Remember, it never hurts to give Computer a bath now and then, and as we say, after you finish using the net, don't forget to wipe. And if you use Operator Pat to connect your call on a regular basis, please become a Friend of TELECOM Digest and support my work with gifts you feel are appropriate. TELECOM Digest / PO Box 765 / Junction City, KS 66441-0765 Thanks. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 19:01:25 -0700 From: Chad Scofield Subject: Illegal Access of Phone Line Hello telecom_digest: I have been referred to your from Paul Cook of Proctor and Associates, Inc. My problem is trying to find help for my inlaws. They have been receiving phone bills for calls they have not made. Hundreds of dollars worth in phone bills for calls that were made at the same time or only minutes apart i.e. one call made at 8:00pm. for 14 minutes and another at 8:05 for 20 minutes. Impossible right? Well, its on their phone bill I have seen it. They have no long distance carrier, they have disconnected it in an attempt to solve the problem. Call blocks and call screnning does not work. The local phone company denies any problems or will not admit to one. A busy light has been suggested by Paul Cook. He also wrote he has seen this problem posted on your web sight before. Some of the calls were made to 1900#s male 1900#s they were not made by any one in the house they know because some were made while no one was there. If you can help please let me know. Thank you. Sincerely, Chad Scofield [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: We did just recently have a thread in the Digest about people misusing the phone service of others by making attachments to the telephone lines of other people when they were not authorized to do so. People can do this by attaching a phone to the wires at the back of your house, or they can attach phones at other places in your neighborhood where the phone lines happen to be located. Chad, your letter indicates you connect to the net through an ISP called 'dodgecity'. Is that in Kansas? Who is the local telephone company where your relatives live? It is also possible that someone may have given your relative's phone number to the operator as the number to be billed for the calls. This sometimes happens and the operator does not realize it is a fraudulent call. Perhaps if we saw a copy of the phone bill or the page(s) on which these charges appeared we could reach a better conclusion on it. Has it happened more than one time? That is, do new charges like this keep showing up every month on the phone bill? Please provide a little more detail and we may be able to help you. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:17:22 -0400 Subject: Rotary Dial Telephone From: John P Sinkiewicz Dear Telecom Digest: A friend of mine has suggested that I keep a rotary dial telephone on hand in case the phone company loses its ability to detect DTMF. Is there any validity in this advice? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I would say there is no validity to that advice. What if instead of 'losing the ability to detect DTMF' they instead 'lost the ability to provide dial tone'? Or what if like on the second Sunday in May, 1988 -- Mother's Day -- a fire started and burned down the telephone company completely such as happened in the Chicago area. If what you suggest were to happen, I suspect the technicians would get rather frantic and start looking into the problem immediatly to cure it. PAT] ------------------------------ From: herb@herbstein.com (Herb Stein) Subject: Re: Audio-Visual, Multimedia Component to Digest Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 06:33:45 GMT Organization: newsread.com ISP News Reading Service (http://www.newsread.com) How about a FAQ-type of list with names and E-mail addresses of folks that confess to knowing about various subjects? If I see a real question that I can answer, I have no problem calling the other party to help. Mostly continental US though in my case. You (we) have tons of expertise in this forum. Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 215-3584 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Herb, I am not going to put the essence of an online directory here so that users can be plagued with even more spam than they recieve already.I consider this Digest sort of one big FAQ that people can research, and if they write in with questions I post them here. That way, users can respond if they wish to do so rather than be bothered with lots of questions they cannot help with. You are correct, there is a lot of expertise present here if people wish to draw upon it. PAT] ------------------------------ From: cnavarro@wcnet.org (Carl Navarro) Subject: Re: Key Systems and Single-Line Stuff (was Re: What Do I Ask For?) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:21:09 GMT Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:52:40 EDT, Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) wrote: >> like whether or not you can use standard phones or modems on the lines > Each trunk on the key system uses three pairs: voice, control > ("A-lead") and lights. The A-leads are used to control the lights, > and to place calls on hold. > If you are going to use a single-line phone or modem, you have to > make sure it's wired to provide A-lead control; otherwise, the lights > won't light when the thing goes off hook (and won't stop flashing if > you answer from single-line equipment) and trying to hang up may > actually place the calls on hold instead. Um Bill, This post might have worked 10-15 years ago, but we have a new invention called the "ELECTRONIC KEY SYSTEM". Most of the businesses in the United States have changed out their 1a2/10a1 thick wire systems to this new thing. Certain brands of key systems (notably Panasonic KXT) choke on the A1 control lead short, since it shorts the data pair. Guaranteed to stop a Pana key system in it's tracks. One of the cutest implementation of A Lead controls is the Comdial family of KSU's. It let's you put a single line device in the 3rd pair of the RJ-25 jack that feeds the first 4 line jacks (1,2,aux, 3,4,aux). Any device using the aux port automatically busies out trunk 2 or 4. Carl Navarro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:58:54 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Dole: No Net Porn at Libraries Reuters 9:15 a.m. 2.Jul.99.PDT Republican presidential hopeful Elizabeth Dole wants public libraries to filter Internet access to make sure that no one can look at pornography. Standing outside the main branch of the Des Moines Public Library Thursday, Dole said that institutions like schools and libraries receiving government tax dollars should not allow children to use their computers to view X-rated Internet sites. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/story/20558.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 99 10:17 PDT From: lauren@vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein) Subject: Re: Talk Radio and Telecom Greetings. Our Moderator asks a couple of questions regarding my radio effort which was described in my previous message. First, while I know that he doesn't much care for NPR, that is of course his personal choice. I've found them to be a good group to deal with, and I've had the opportunity through them to get concepts aired that touch on technology-related issues that have rarely been addressed in the mass media. But to each his or her own, of course. One thing that you learn early on in radio -- you're never going to please everybody -- it goes with the territory. However, I should note that my radio project that I outlined has *nothing* whatever to do with NPR, and is specifically oriented towards commercial radio (talk radio for the long form show, news and other formats for the shorter vignette versions). That's why sponsorship is of course important. Pat expresses concerns about the reactions of any firms (telecom or otherwise) who might be the subject of criticism during these new shows. The idea of the show is not to be a tirade of criticism -- the positive things going on are at least as important. But either way, my experience has been that so long as you treat people and firms fairly, reactions will be good -- even when you're criticizing some aspect of their operations. I've been throwing some pretty hard punches in my PRIVACY Forum for many years, but I do my darndest to be fair, and that goes a long way. I'll be continuing this philosophy on the new radio show. Pat also asks about Internet broadcasting. I've in fact been doing Internet audio and video efforts for my PRIVACY Forum and related areas for a number of years, so I have considerable experience with this. There's a great deal of potential. I've found the net to be an excellent way to make archived materials available. But the reality of the net's capacity and throughput, and the kinds of connections that most users get in the real world, really aren't up to reliably dealing with large numbers of people in a live venue such as the participatory, call-in format my show would entail. Over time this will change of course, but we're really at the start of the evolutionary curve in this respect. But perhaps more importantly, my focus for the show is really the audience of persons who are the *least* likely to be comfortable with computer-based audio, many of whom either don't have computers or use them only rarely or for limited periods. Like I said, the show is not aimed at techies -- just the opposite. The idea is to bring "into the loop" persons who are confused about technology, or who are not aware of how technology impacts their lives in positive and negative ways. I want to help clear out the pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo that all too often poses as reality. The whole point is to counteract the inaccurate or biased information related to technology and society that floats around in talk radio these days. To reach this audience, you have to go to where they are, and to where they listen. That's in the kitchen, the car, or wherever, from conventional radio. So that's my focus for this particular effort as far as the live show itself is concerned. I would naturally expect there to be accompanying Internet-related materials and archives. Since I've had my feet planted in both the Internet and radio worlds for quite a few years, I think I have a pretty good handle on the overall environment. But all of this is predicated, of course, on finding support from entities who feel that this is a worthwhile effort. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren@vortex.com Moderator, PRIVACY Forum --- http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Host, "Vortex Daily Reality Report & Unreality Trivia Quiz" --- http://www.vortex.com/reality ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:58:20 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FBI Subdues 'Privacy Gone Crazy' by Declan McCullagh 3:00 a.m. 2.Jul.99.PDT WASHINGTON -- Law enforcement groups and their supporters in Congress rallied late Thursday to defeat a bank privacy proposal. Warning in the darkest terms that a plan to protect the confidentiality of bank records was "privacy gone crazy," opponents angrily denounced it on the floor of the House of Representatives. The House then rejected the reform package, 299-129, with only 12 Democrats supporting it. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/story/20554.html ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #188 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Jul 4 18:37:07 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA06619; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:37:07 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907042237.SAA06619@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #189 TELECOM Digest Sun, 4 Jul 99 18:37:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 189 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Guess Where I'm Calling From! Cell Phones Invade Wilderness (Mike Pollock) Re: Do Not Disturb (Robert A. Rosenberg) Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations (Robert A. Rosenberg) Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix (Walter Dnes) Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! (Frank) Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations (Steven J. Sobol) An Up to Date Listing of US LATA Codes Wanted (Kamal Southall) Disute About Old Prefix Names (BRMannin@aol.com) Re: Kevin Mitnick Status (Derek Balling) Re: U.S. Cellular Service in Israel (Sheryl Myers) 1A2 Key System Adapters For Modems (Michael Muderick) Re: Anonymous Postings in Digest (Steve Winters) Re: Anonymous Postings in Digest (Keelan Lightfoot) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Pollock Subject: Guess Where I'm Calling From! Cell Phones Invade Wilderness Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:31:39 -0400 Organization: It's A Mike! LAKE PLACID, N.Y. (AP) - High above the trees and surrounded by sky, the Adirondack peaks can seem far removed from the everyday world. Unless, of course, the guy next to you is jabbering on his cell phone. Such a surreal scene played out on Mount Marcy's summit in front of state forester Jim Papero. He remembers it well: "It was cold and windy. Beautiful. You could hear the wind whistling and everything, then this ... he was talking to his stockbroker." Cell-phone chatter, already common at restaurants and shopping malls, is heard more and more often in the wilderness. Hikers and campers are tapping into personal directories to ask directions and apologize for dinner delays, to bum rides and call in sick. This is not amusing to many campers, hunters or others who appreciate nature's quiet. The problem has prodded New York environmental officials, who also worry about hikers using cell phones as life-lines, to promote phone etiquette in the wilderness. "To be walking down a trail or expend the effort it takes to climb one of the high peaks, and to see someone on the telephone ... it's disconcerting," says Stu Buchanan, regional director of the state Department of Environmental Conservation. There's no backwoods cell-phone epidemic just yet. But calls from the wild have become noticeable recently, now that wireless phones reach an estimated 74 million users nationwide. What can be a mere irritant in civilization can be a lifesaver in the wild. Rescues have been launched after timely calls for help from remote areas. Even many "Ridge Runners," whose job is to help hikers on the Appalachian Trail, now carry cell phones. Problem is, cell phones aren't reliable in the wild because cell towers tend to be far apart. Then there's the problem of getting a phone to work in gorges, gullies and other pockets amid peaks. It's a Catch-22 because efforts to build cell towers in remote areas are often opposed by locals and conservationists concerned about rural eyesores. Even when phones can hail a signal in the backwoods, rescuers complain about trivial "emergencies." Rangers in New York report picking up the phone to hear hikers asking directions or complaining about sprained wrists. Rick Donovan, owner of an outdoor gear store in the Berkshire hills at Great Barrington, Mass., has received cell-phone queries about how to light the camp stove. Or worse: "They're calling my store and asking me for a ride. What happened to the days of walking down the mountain?" Baxter State Park in Maine has banned the use of cell phones on park grounds, as it had earlier excluded radios and cassette players. Park naturalist Jean Hoekwater says the ban in part targets nuisance calls the likes of, "Honey? Guess what I'm in front of right now. A big moose!" New York considered banning cell phones in the Adirondack high peaks a few years ago. But after evaluating their benefits in an emergency, the idea was scrubbed. However, a state-sponsored effort to discourage frequent and non-emergency use of cell phones is to begin this summer with things like brochures, videos and trailhead postings. Can education work? Michele Morris, senior editor of Backpacker magazine, calls it the key. She's hoping for new attitudes of self-reliance and consideration. Stephen Jacobs, an associate professor of information technology at the Rochester Institute of Technology, predicts the problem will "auto correct" over time as more people consider it rude to ring. Don't expect cell phones to disappear from the woods any time soon though. A survey by Backpacker magazine last year found cell phones a popular item on readers' "to buy" lists. Meanwhile, some high-end cell phones can pull in signals from satellites, eliminating the need for towers. With the right equipment, even the deepest, most remote gulch can be just a phone call away. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:57:48 -0400 From: Robert A. Rosenberg Subject: Re: Do Not Disturb Ken M. wrote: > Michael Williams wrote: >> pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com (Ken M.) wrote in <377B3C1C.7154@ix.netcom.com>: >>> Bell Atlantic phone company of Maryland is now offering a new service >>> called, "Do Not Disturb." The monthly fee is $3 per month. > >> Don't like the cost, but this should do it. I like the fact that >> you can set this up to be active during only certain times of day, >> such as during the legal window for telemarketing calls. > Yes it will come in handy. Most of my troublesome calls are usually > "Out of Area." >> But doesn't this require you to distribute the passcode to >> everyone? Perhaps this can best be done by specifying "extension >> 1234" when you give out your home phone number. > You can compile a list of 15 numbers (local or long distance) that will > pass through. The others will have to enter the passcode "after" the > announcement. Does the software support having an phone number on the list that is Caller*ID'ed as PRIVATE (ie: Call Blocked at the caller's end)? This is one of my gripes about Caller*ID, Call Blocking (where you can supply a list of numbers to not accept calls from) and Anonymous Call Rejection - There is no way to REQUEST display/non-blocking of a call that is flagged with a do-not-display flag even if by listing the number you prove you know it. I have friends who have unlisted/unpub- lished numbers and who have the line set to All-Call-Block who forget to turn the blocking off when they call certain people (who know the number) and thus my Caller*ID box will not display their number. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:05:00 -0400 From: Robert A. Rosenberg Subject: Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations Steven L. Cohen wrote: > I lived in Sicily in the early eighties. The man at the AGIP or IP > station would actually be smoking a cigarette while holding the nozzle > to fill your tank. They are notoriously distrustful, and suspect > everyone getting gas will cheat somehow. The point is that there are > no Italian benzina (gasoline) stations on the moon, so I suppose that > was not much danger associated with his actions. With all the > accidental and irresponsible things people do, how many gas station > fires are there per year? It is ridiculous to think that a wireless > telephone could produce a spark that was capable of causing an > explosion. I think that the people who passed these restrictions have seen "The Birds" once too often . You do remember the scene of the smoker at the gas station. The only problem was that (I seem to remember) it involved THROWING/DROPPING a match/cigarette in the pool of gasoline NOT just waving a flame over it. ------------------------------ From: waltdnes@interlog.com (Walter Dnes) Subject: Re: DoubleClick Deal Irks Privacy Advocates - a Fix Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 04:24:59 GMT Organization: Interlog Internet Services On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:03:20 GMT, scottp4-remove-this-to-reply@mindspring.com (Scott Peterson) wrote: > It's fascinating that the one browser that this technique won't > work properly with is Internet Explorer 5. The minute your route > these ad sites to the dummy IP numbers IE5 barfs and gives you a > "can't display this page" message. The very cynical suggest that > Netscape will pick up this 'feature' in their next release. Even worse is IE's favouritism with HTML executables. Try disabling Java, Javascript, and Active-X in IE. a) Go to a website with a Java program (Sun's baby), and view the page. It's OK, other than the Java program not executing. b) Go to a website with a Javascript program (NetScape's baby), and view the page. It's OK, other than the Javascript program not executing. c) Go to a website with an Active-X program (MicroSoft's baby), and view the page. IE comes to a screeching halt, and a dialog box comes up telling you that there is an Active-X control on the page and that IE may not display the page properly. You have to manually dismiss the dialogue box before things continue. Walter Dnes procmail spamfilter http://www.interlog.com/~waltdnes/spamdunk/spamdunk.htm Why a fiscal conservative opposes Toronto 2008 OWE-lympics http://www.interlog.com/~waltdnes/owe-lympics/owe-lympics.htm ------------------------------ From: frank Subject: Re: Help! Dial-up on a Party Line! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 08:18:37 -0700 There are two things he probably has that wont allow him to call out, he is a tip on a two party which means you cant draw dial tone with a metalic set or a modem looking for dial tone and he probably has rotary service. To get dial tone pick up a phone then click on your dial up connection, when you hear dialtone on the modem hang up the phone and the modem will dial. Now if you have rotary service set the dial up connection to pulse dial and it should work. The CO doesn't know or care whats making the call,the tricky part is getting dial tone. Good luck, Frank ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J Sobol) Subject: Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations Date: 4 Jul 1999 00:34:58 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.4NET On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:55:49 -0400 , CohenS@vab.alliedtech.com allegedly said > I lived in Sicily in the early eighties. The man at the AGIP or IP > station would actually be smoking a cigarette while holding the nozzle > to fill your tank. They are notoriously distrustful, and suspect > everyone getting gas will cheat somehow. The point is that there are > no Italian benzina (gasoline) stations on the moon, so I suppose that > was not much danger associated with his actions. With all the > accidental and irresponsible things people do, how many gas station > fires are there per year? It is ridiculous to think that a wireless > telephone could produce a spark that was capable of causing an > explosion. I've watched NASCAR races where there will be an accident and a gas spill, and someone else's exhaust fumes ignited the gas. The fumes are very volatile, and they might not ignite *every* time something like this happens, but ... People who are smoking while pumping gas are (a) unbelievably stupid, (b) incredibly selfish ("Yeah, I don't care if I'm endangering everyone else, just as long as I get my fix"), and (c) lucky if they don't cause any problems. So the guy at the Sicilian service station was distrustful. Fine. He could have put his cigarette out before pumping the customers' gas. And what *exactly* do gas stations on the moon have to do with this argument? Anyhow, to get to the point: Yeah, it's probably extremely unlikely that the cell phone will ignite the gas fumes. It's not like having a gas leak in your house, where there is probably a big gas buildup by the time you realize the leak is there, and using the phone may very well end up causing your house to go into orbit. :) But ... why take chances? North Shore Technologies: We don't just build websites. We build relationships. (But not with spammers. Spammers get billed a minimum of $1000 for cleanup!) 888.480.4NET [active now, forwards to my pager] - 216.619.2NET [as of 7/1/99] Proud host of the Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail - www.spamfree.org ------------------------------ From: Kamal Southall Subject: An Up to Date Listing of US LATA Codes Wanted Date: 03 Jul 1999 16:45:48 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Reply-To: kamals@mpowernet.com Hello, good day. Where can I find, online, an up to date listing of the LATAs in the Continental US? I tried looking at Bellcore's (Telcordia) site and found nothing :-/ Thanks! ------------------------------ From: BRMannin@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 20:33:19 EDT Subject: Dispute About Old Prefix Names My mother and I cannot agree on some of the old prefixes for Seattle area before all numbers. Any idea where we could verify that info? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Go to the Seattle Public Library and ask to see very old telephone directories from the 1940-50's era. You will probably need to ask for them; I doubt they will be just on open shelves. They are probably stored away somewhere, or they may very likely be on microfilm which will have to be fetched from wherever they store it. Ask at the reference desk for help in locating the books. microfilms, etc. Then review the information pages in the front of the directories at things like, 'your local calling area', and 'how to call the business office from your exchange'. That should resolve any disputes. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 18:02:26 -0700 From: Derek Balling Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick Status > Well, we all know how that 'millions of dollars in stolen software > and damages to our computer' story goes. I have yet to see a telco > or government computer get cracked that didn't have 'millions of > dollars in software stolen and millions of dollars in manpower time > required to fix the damages, etc ' ... and based on the number of > times this has occurred in the past decade, I am surprised the whole > industry hasn't gone bankrupt. How many 'millions of dollars' can they > afford to spend at one time? (snicker) ... either that or a few > sysadmins I've been privileged to work with at one time or another > are not as impoverished as they claim. Why does the federal govern- > ment assume all of its citizens are idiots? And its also interesting to bring up a point that was made by the editors of 2600 Magazine ... these companies (e.g., Motorola, etc.) claim to have had losses in the millions of dollars, except that the companies in question never reported the losses to their shareholders in their earnings statements filed with the SEC. (And in some cases, the figures were quite obviously arbitrary numbers picked out of the air for maximum effect). For more info, see http://www.2600.com/2600new/042299.html ... I'm as "anti-cracker" as the next person, but its painfully obvious that Mitnick has gotten the shaft by the system because he made a fool of them. The fact that he was "caught" by a reporter and another cracker in possession of equipment he wasn't legally allowed to possess gets overlooked by the Feds, because its not a "glamorous" part of the story ... D [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: When a corporation suffers the sort of loss -- in the millions of dollars, etc -- as some of them have claimed as a result of 'hackers' (most of them have no idea what the word 'cracker' means, they think it is something you have with a bowl of soup) they are supposed to report such substantial losses to their shareholders. Its the law, and its for the protection of shareholders. Of course they know its nonsense, there was no such loss in any amount even closely approaching what was claimed. Its like someone backing into your car by accident and slightly denting the fender, then you inflate the claim to the insurance company. Same kind of fraud, so they do not report such a thing to their shareholders because a few company executives might wind up in jail if they did make such a fraudulent report. They can tell the {New York Times} if they wish and have it printed in the next morning's edition of the Holy Bible, in the section where the Prophet Markoff speaks; but like they say, its okay to lie, and its okay to be under oath; just don't do both at the same time if you want to stay out of jail. Yes, Kevin Mitnick was guilty. But if you recall, in this Digest back in 1995 I editorialized at the time that the one thing you do not do is you do not mock or trivialize your probation officer. While on probation, Kevin tampered with his probation officer's telephone, among other things. You do not do self-destructive things like that. I forget the details ... did he tap the P.O.'s phone calls or do something at the central office switch to divert the calls? Whatever ... Kevin, in his (I hope since outgrown) immaturity did not realize that those are people you stay a thousand miles away from. You treat them like lepers, you avoid them at all costs. Guilty or innocent, no difference; like police officers they'll turn on you in a minute if they take a dislike to you or have prejudice about you because of your nationality, lifestyle, sexual orientation or whatever. If you are not guilty, there is always something you can be found guilty of. And unlike a police officer, who has to specifi- cally make an effort to get you put away, all the probation officer has to do is sign off on it; the probation officer violates you one day and the sheriff is at your door the next day or sooner, as poor Kevin would have found out had he hung around town a day or two longer. (smile). Okay, so he made fools of them, the wisdom of which I discuss in the above paragraph, then he stayed on the lam for over two years. In 1997 after having been caught and in custody for two years, they sentence him to a total of three years, meaning for most people an immediate release for time served. But they say hang on, we have more charges coming, and for the past two years, since 1997 things have been 'on hold'. Now they are having trouble justifying all those 'millions of dollars in stolen software and cellular ESN codes, etc' so they just hold him in custody. Those charges should have been easy enough to resolve back in 1995 when they caught him; essentially they have had four years to do so. This is why I said what I did originally which caused Bill Levant to take such umbrage: Mitnick has been kept in prison for four years with no trial. He should be released immediatly. And Kevin, if you do get released any time soon, I hope your friends -- your good, *true* friends -- will take you aside, try and beat some sense into your head, and keep you out of further trouble. I think the expression is, you'll need to start blowing your nose with a silk handkerchief, because you know they'll be waiting patiently or not so patiently with their mouths watering for a chance to get you back in 'the system', you menace, you danger to the community, you! And this time, if they give you probation again, maybe you will get a liberal probation officer; one who is idealistic and believes in rehabilitation and all that. Do just as you are told, and don't be a smart aleck. No one likes smart alecks, especially not judges and probation officers, or haven't you found that out already? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Sheryl Myers Subject: Re: U.S. Cellular Service in Israel Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:27:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Does anyone know what frequency Orange operates on in Israel (e.g. European 900? US 1900? The 1800 they are on in Israel? ------------------------------ From: Michael Muderick Subject: 1A2 Key System Adapters For Modems Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 06:53:37 EDT There are 1A2 adapters available which will operate as the extra pair of hook-switch adapters for A-lead control of lights and hold. This would let your modem work on a key system. Other than the light indicating an off-hook position, the only down side of not using the adapter is the 30-40 second time-out, after the modem hangs up before the system would hang up the phone line. If you connect the modem right to the phone line, that problem goes away. Mike Sandman (mike@sandman.com) sells such adapters. Mike@muderick.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Mike Sandman has long been a very loyal supporter of this Digest, and a very trustworthy member of the net community. In addition to what is discussed above, he has a catalog full of 'goodies' for use on telephone systems as well as individual phones. Anyone who does not have a copy of his complete catalog is urged to obtain one as soon as possible. If Mike does not stock it for your phone, chances are it isn't made. Use the address shown in the message above. PAT] ------------------------------ From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winters) Subject: Re: Anonymous Postings in Digest Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:29:01 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio) spake thusly and wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I like your idea, but because of the > amount of spam which comes to the telecom mailbox, I could easily > spend my entire day prosecuting, persecuting, having fits, raising > hell and do nothing else. 20-25 pieces of spam each day is about the > norm here, and that is just what does not get filtered out before I > get it. PAT] I just take a moment and forward each one with headers to the postmaster of the actual site that delivered it with a cc to uce@ftc.gov (probably a futile gesture, but at least it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling). I have a substantial collection of thank you notes from postmasters and ISPs all over the world. Regards, Steve http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM New Brick Wall "non-MOV" surge protection ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 00:45:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Anonymous Postings in Digest From: Keelan Lightfoot > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I like your idea, but because of the > amount of spam which comes to the telecom mailbox, I could easily > spend my entire day prosecuting, persecuting, having fits, raising > hell and do nothing else. 20-25 pieces of spam each day is about the > norm here, and that is just what does not get filtered out before I > get it. PAT] The people that run my e-mail server use a service called ORBS (Open Relay Behaviour-modification System), that blocks any message being sent through an open relay -- This means junk-mail which is sent through an unknowing 3rd party server. I have found that ORBS greatly reduced the amount of junk-mail I was recieving, as opposed to when my server was not using ORBS. You can have a look at what it is at: http://www.orbs.org Maybe it could help reduce your junk-mail load? Keelan Lightfoot PS: I loved the new Tribute to the Telephone -- I remember looking at before you 'took it under your wing' (For which I am grateful), and I was lost at that site for a few evenings in a row :) I don't miss the popup banners one bit :) [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Based on my total volume of incoming mail each day -- several hundred pieces -- a couple dozen that are spam is not a big deal, besides I like having a good laugh once in awhile, seeing their ridiculous claims. Maybe some of the creators of spam should get jobs writing press releases for the FBI. That way their press releases would get good coverage (like, spammed at least a dozen times to each person on the net), the amount of damage done would read like any spammer's account of the amount of money to be be made on the net; they should get along fine together, like two peas in a pot. Introduce your favorite spammer to your favorite FBI agent today. Ummm ... I said 'pot' above, didn't I? Its not pot with a 't' on the end, its pod, with a 'd' on the end. Its paw-DUH, not paw-TUH. I'll try to keep that straight in the future ... paw-DUH .... paw-DUH. (Paraphrased from a Laurel and Hardy movie.) PAT ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #189 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Jul 4 23:41:51 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA15902; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907050341.XAA15902@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #190 TELECOM Digest Sun, 4 Jul 99 23:41:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 190 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Bell Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 to 15 Feet (A.Ross) Re: Rotary Dial Telephone (Hudson Leighton) Wanting a Particular Area Code and Call Forwarding (Mark Claypool) Re: 'Til All Success Is Nobleness (Steven J. 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Please request a free catalog today at http://www.sandman.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help is important and appreciated. A suggested donation of twenty dollars per year per reader is considered appropriate. See our address above. Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:30:00 -0700 From: Arthur Ross Subject: Re: Bell Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 to 15 Feet herb@herbstein.com (Herb Stein) wrote: > I don't want them to find me! If they can find me in an emergency > situation they can find me when I didn't brush my teeth! BIG BROTHER -- > I'd sooner not be found. > In article , J.F. Mezei > wrote: >> I may be thick, but do they seriously expect to retrofit all handsets to >> incorporate that mini-GPS unit and logic ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> I was really hoping that they would have use network infrastruture to >> locate the SIGNAL. Heck, an imprecise measurement would be sufficient >> if emergency vehicles were equipped with a locator device to pinpoint >> that phone's location. Analog phone networks have had this equipment >> for a long time to find fraudsters. There is another, very credible, entrant in this race to do accurate handset location. It is a proprietary product from a company called SnapTrack. There was an article about their efforts in the WSJ of this past June 24, 1999, entitled "SnapTrack Develops a System to Locate Cell-Phone Callers." I have been told that the SnapTrack product does raw signal timing measurements on the GPS signals (they are spread spectrum, high rate PN modulation, basically) in the handset. The handset then transmits those measurements to the fixed network for processing. While full GPS receiver functionality can be put in the phone, this scheme a) makes the phone less costly/complex, and b) allows the deliberatly introduced errors in the GPS signal to be reduced via the differential GPS principle. The deliberately introduced GPS errors are relatively uniform over a large area. Measurements by a fixed site that already knows its location very accurately can therefore be used to determine the local correction to the GPS-estimate for nearby receivers. The performance of this system has been impressive in recent field trials with the carriers. I'm not sure what the Lucent product does, but I expect that it is something similar. Deployment, I presume, will be by evolution & normal turnover of equipment. As you know, there is an FCC-mandated requirement that the carriers be able to do handset location fairly accurately for purposes of 911 emergency services - finding the person trapped in the burning building, that kind of thing. This rule takes effect in October 2001. What happens with respect to those tens of millions of existing handsets, I don't know. What has been done in the past is to report only serving cell & sector, which can be a fairly large area - many tens of square km. There were changes put into the US CDMA air interface spec that facilitate the used of timing information from that signal as a location means - basically a time-difference-of-arrival scheme, exploiting the fact that CDMA systems are precisely synchronized via a GPS timing reference at each cell site. This method requires a cooperative transmit power increase on the part of the target handset, commanded by the fixed network when it wants to do a measurement. It might be thought that measurements could be done on the received signals without any special action. Problem is power control. If the handset is very close to one cell site and distant from others, then the signal will be power controlled down so far that it cannot be measured from the more distant sites. Accurate location of the old analog FM sets has never been practiced other than to report serving cell and sector. As a practical matter, it is difficult to do signal-based location to an accuracy better than, roughly, the velocity of light divided by the reciprocal signal bandwidth. The 30 kHz BW FM signals would give an accuracy of the order of 3E8 mps/30 kHz ‰ 10 km ... completely inadequate. The corresponding number for CDMA is about 1/4 km, and it can be improved a bit (to a fraction of a chip) by very careful, long measurements. The GPS thing can be quite a bit better, if there are enough satellite signal & time to do the measurements on them. Your reader who thinks that handsets can be located from emergency vehicles reflects the same kind of wishful thinking that was expressed by the US government serveral years ago, at a conference on E-911 locating. We had to tell them that, unless they were prepared to implement a full-blown mobile cell site in all those fire trucks, that this wouldn't work. They seemed to envision the kind of thing that you might find in an old WW-II spy movie - the van driving down the street with the rotating antenna on the roof to find the spys from their radio transmissions. Not possible in any reliable, practical way, and for several reasons. All of these schemes require considerable care in implementation, and are subject to potential ambiguities due to multipath, i.e. measuring signals that have NOT come by the geometrically direct path. Some folks, no doubt, would like to do is use the location capability for crass commercialism, and perhaps even more nefarious purposes. Like Herb, I find the Big Brother-ish aspect of this more than a little disturbing. Statutory oversight may be necessary to forestall the obvious privacy problems. -- Best -- Arthur Text of WSJ article, June 24, 1999 follows Under the Radar SnapTrack Develops a System To Locate Cell-Phone Callers By NICOLE HARRIS Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL SnapTrack Inc. wants to know exactly where you are, wherever you go. The closely held company uses satellite technology to pinpoint a cell phone's exact location. Some see the idea as an important safety feature. Cell-phone companies view it as a way to offer nifty location-based services such as weather updates and traffic reports. Others see it as a troubling blow to privacy. Regardless, development of the technology will proceed, driven by a mandate from the Federal Communications Commission requiring all wireless-phone companies to be able to locate the origin of a 911 call by October 2001. Carriers have two choices to provide location-based services. One is to upgrade communications towers and other parts of a network so safety officials can estimate where a call originates based on which cellular towers are picking up the signal. SnapTrack's chief executive, Steve Poizner, however, has another answer. He argues that by using enhanced satellite technology in the phone itself, carriers won't have to rebuild their network infrastructure, saving millions of dollars. The Federal Communications Commission is scheduled to host a roundtable discussion with wireless carriers and location-based technology providers on Monday to talk about technical issues regarding both network-based and handset-based solutions for location-based services. Global Positioning Cell-phone executives are still weighing their options, but price and reliability are key factors. Says Oliver Valente, a technology vice president in Sprint Corp.'s wireless division: "We don't want to commit ourselves prematurely." SnapTrack's patented technology blends the location capabilities of the U.S. government's global-positioning satellite system with the nation's wireless networks. A SnapTrack-enabled phone captures a "snapshot" of the signal being beamed down from the satellites. Using a small chip placed in the phone, SnapTrack's software starts to process that signal, beginning the calculation of the caller's location. The signal is then sent over the wireless network to a small server computer placed in the phone company's central hub, where it completes the calculation process. By splitting the processing job, SnapTrack's technology saves power consumption in the phone and battery life isn't affected. Cost-Saving Feature More significantly, by sharing circuitry SnapTrack's system requires less hardware than conventional satellite technology -- another cost-saving feature for the carriers, Mr. Poizner says. Adding SnapTrack's system to a phone is expected to cost handset manufacturers only $5 to $10 more per unit, he says. SnapTrack has also developed technology that enables the satellite signal to be read indoors or in densely populated areas. That could be an important breakthrough, since conventional satellite receivers need an unobstructed path to the sky to operate reliably. Such improvements in satellite technology have caught the attention of wireless giants such as Motorola Inc. "They have a unique approach to an existing technology," says Tony Bugg, strategic marketing and alliances manager at Motorola's semiconductor-products sector. Motorola eventually became an investor in SnapTrack and in April agreed to license the technology to use in its phones. Chip maker Texas Instruments Inc. also saw promise in SnapTrack. The company last summer invested several million dollars in SnapTrack through a venture fund it uses to boost new ideas for digital-signal processors. TI will also license SnapTrack's technology to build an automatic locating feature into chips it produces for wireless phones. 'Very Impressive' Meanwhile, SnapTrack has held extensive tests of the technology in an attempt to win over wireless carriers. In Tampa, Fla., the company recently teamed up with carriers including AirTouch Communications Inc., Ameritech Corp. and GTE Corp. for field trials. The results showed about 90% accuracy in call location, to within an average of 10 meters to 20 meters. "It was very impressive," says Craig Farrill, AirTouch's vice president of strategic technology. Founded in 1995, the San Jose, Calif., company today has 50 employees and has raised $20 million in venture capital and strategic investments. Mr. Poizner says the product should be commercially available in late 2000. In a nod to privacy concerns, users will be able to turn off the location feature. Still, challenges remain. It faces formidable competitors in companies such as TruePosition Inc. and U.S. Wireless Corp. Both are rushing to build the network solutions for carriers. One advantage of that solution: All cell-phone users on the network are able to use the location-based services, even those who don't have a satellite-enabled phone. Mr. Poizner, however, is undaunted. He says the new location-based services for wireless customers, such as using a cell phone to download directions to Aunt Mary's house or to find the nearest Hilton, will ignite demand for the technology. Copyright 1999 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. End of WSJ article ******** -- Dr. Arthur Ross 2325 East Orangewood Avenue Phoenix, AZ 85020-4730 Phone: 602-371-9708 Fax : 602-336-7074 ------------------------------ From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: Re: Rotary Dial Telephone Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 15:21:48 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc. In article , John P Sinkiewicz wrote: > Dear Telecom Digest: > A friend of mine has suggested that I keep a rotary dial telephone on > hand in case the phone company loses its ability to detect DTMF. Is > there any validity in this advice? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I would say there is no validity to > that advice. What if instead of 'losing the ability to detect DTMF' > they instead 'lost the ability to provide dial tone'? Or what if > like on the second Sunday in May, 1988 -- Mother's Day -- a fire > started and burned down the telephone company completely such as > happened in the Chicago area. If what you suggest were to happen, > I suspect the technicians would get rather frantic and start > looking into the problem immediatly to cure it. PAT] But a good idea is to have a plain phone somewhere so that when the power goes out and your fancy cordless phone doesn't work you can still make and receive phone calls. Also a sign of a good phone phone system install is a plain phone on the wall next to the "box" that is directly hooked to the master phone number for when the power dies. http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well that I will agree with; I definitly 'second the motion'. There are so many things that can cause failure at the subsciber end of the line, it is good to have a phone which is tied right into the line bypassing all switchboards, etc. When my associate who used to have the Skokie Bus Station got a couple of new phones, I was there the day an installer for Nortel came out to put them in. Totally electronic key sets with two lines, the thing that caught my eye immediatly was an item in the user manual which said that in the event of a power outage, only the first line would be able to send/receive calls and that there would be no visual or audible indicators. So without saying why, I told the Nortel installer I wanted one (of the two) phones to be installed with the second line and the first line swapped; that is have one of the two instruments think based on its wiring that the second (from the CO) line was its 'first line' and vice versa. Big deal, in one of the modular wall boxes swap the red/green connectors with the yellow/black connectors. This way in the event of a power outage, there is always some phone on the premises which thinks it has 'line one'. The Nortel installer was oh so indignant about that, demanding to know why I wanted that and insisting I knew not of what I was speaking. I told him those flimsy, two-bit transformers he had for each phone (you plug in an outlet, then insert a small plug in the back of the phone to provide the ringing, the hold circuit, the second line switch-in, and all that) looked to me like the cheapest things I had ever seen, and they would probably blow up with the first power surge to come along. He would absolutely have none of it, and said anytime anything went wrong 'all you have to do is call our repair service'. Yeah, and wait a couple days for someone to come out and fix it. I made him do it the way I wanted, and told him if he didn't I would just change it as soon as he left anyway. After the usual bluster about how that would void the warranty and all that, I reminded him I was not touching the inside of his precious phones in any way, I was merely reversing two sets of two wires each at the the modular jack for one phone in order to have both phone lines from the central office appear to be 'line one' on the instruments. Would you believe he was gone two days and one of the little transformers went out? Fortunatly I have a few spare Radio Shack transformers laying around of the same CD voltage and amperage output, so I put one of those on to get the service going again. When I called the supplier for Nortel they were quite nice about it and sent me five or six transformers; 'just keep a few handy if this happens again'. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Mark Claypool Subject: Wanting a Particular Area Code and Call Forwarding Date: 4 Jul 1999 21:54:40 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS I want a phone number starting with the area code of an adjacent county. One way to do this is to buy a cellular phone based in that county with the call forwarding option. My number will be in the desired area code, and the phone will forward the calls to my real number. Unfortunately this can be a bit expensive with the call forwarding being charged at various rates by providers. Are there any other ways to do what I'm trying to do? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:56:18 -0400 From: Steven J Sobol Subject: Re: 'Til All Success Is Nobleness In comp.dcom.telecom, you wrote: > everything else she has to do; the woman behind her replies that she > also had to cancel some of her plans because of this. Mother asks > what we can possibly do now? ... and the woman behind her replies, > 'I am just hoping I am lucky enough to be selected to serve ...' Yeah, well, I am hoping I never have to be called for jury duty because I'm going to end up having to take a day off without pay just to find out if I'm on the jury, and then if I'm lucky I get $20 a day. But I still think the US is a cool place to live. North Shore Technologies: We don't just build websites. We build relationships. (But not with spammers. Spammers get billed a minimum of $1000 for cleanup!) 888.480.4NET [active now, forwards to my pager] - 216.619.2NET [as of 7/1/99] Proud host of the Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail - www.spamfree.org [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am lucky if I get $20 some days also. I do not worry that much about the jury pay, and I think many or most companies pay the salary of their employee anyway if called to serve on a jury. What I actually find much more annoying is that even though the person on trial asked to have a jury make the decision, a judge can still overrule it if he wishes. Its like the judge is saying 'if you want a jury you can have one, and as long as the jury reaches the decision I feel is correct we will go along with it.' Look how many times a jury will find someone guilty then the person's attorney will ask to have the jury verdict tossed out and the judge goes along with it. Or the jury awards a certain sum of money to an injured party and then a judge comes along and says no, I think such and such is better. My reaction would be then why the hell did you bother wasting my time and asking my opinion when you planned on substituting yours for mine anyway? If a person asks for a jury trial he should be stuck with the results of the jury, period. As for myself, if I ever went on trial for anything, I would **NEVER** opt for a jury trial. I'd opt for a bench trial anyday. All a jury trial accomplishes is to make the whole matter go on two or three days longer than necessary, and run the lawyer's bill up even higher than it was before. Ask any lawyer the difference in his fee for handling something 'if it has to go to trial' or can get settled out of court; and if it has to go to trial, the difference in his fees if he has to select a jury to go with it, versus just the judge. PAT] ------------------------------ From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz) Subject: Re: Key Systems and Single-Line Stuff Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 13:18:58 -0400 In article , Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) wrote: >> like whether or not you can use standard phones or modems on the lines > Each trunk on the key system uses three pairs: voice, control > ("A-lead") and lights. The A-leads are used to control the lights, > and to place calls on hold. > If you are going to use a single-line phone or modem, you have to > make sure it's wired to provide A-lead control; otherwise, the lights > won't light when the thing goes off hook (and won't stop flashing if > you answer from single-line equipment) and trying to hang up may > actually place the calls on hold instead. > It's fairly easy to re-wire an old Bell single-line phone (though I > don't know the particulars); I would think that you need either a > specially-designed model (or an adaptor) for a single-line modem to > work. No, Bill, it's not easy at all. If the phone wasn't manufactured with an extra switch-hook contact closure, it can't be done. Not all 500 or 2500 series simple sets had them. Good luck trying to find them on newer products. ------------------------------ From: support@sellcom.com (Steve Winter) Subject: Re: Anonymous Surfing For Users Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 22:30:02 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: support@sellcom.com TELECOM Digest Editor spake thusly and wrote: > And there is also a place to fill in some numbers if you are 'behind > a fire wall'. You fill in numbers there to show what proxy address > is serving you. If you fill in those blanks correctly, thats who the > other site thinks you are. Let's just say I streamlined the process > and made it easier for the guys to surf without worrying about someone > trying to spy on them or hurt them in some way. PAT] Hurt can go both ways. We are currently dealing with a situation where a rather large credit card order was placed and delivered to the billing address of the cardholder. A short time later we received a communication from the cardholder claiming they just returned from vacation and knew nothing about the order, but it turned out they didn't want to involve the police. I did however file a criminal complaint regarding the matter and contacted the ISP whose service was used to place the order who were less than delighted regarding such use of their services and have been in contact back with the police etc. This matter is currently unresolved. How would your anon service handle SSL secure connections? Steve Winter http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM New Brick Wall "non-MOV" surge protection [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: If a customer said to me that their credit card had been used fraudulently at my place of business so they were disputing and refusing to pay for a charge on their card (thus resulting in a chargeback to me) and they 'did not want to involve the police' that would throw up a big red flag. I would ask them why they did not want to 'involve the police'. If the merchandise was shipped out, as I suppose would be the case if the transaction took place over the net, then you are going to have a signature on file for the delivery. If the name stated by the signature was that person's name then I would bluntly tell them we are going to go one of two ways: either you 'involve the police' and provide me with a copy of the police report so that I can in turn (a) file it with my insurance carrier covering stolen merchandise and (b) include it as a loss on my income tax report or if you do not want to involve the police then since I have a delivery signature on file and the merchandise has not been returned to me you can either pay for it or get sued. I would provide a copy of the signature for their examination, and if they stated it was not their signature then you have to take it further if you wish. If the delivery company or post office cannot provide a signature, or there is indication that delivery was made to a party different than the one on record (and here, the AVS -- Address Verification Service -- offered by online credit card processors is a big help) then your complaint is with the delivery company. You should never ship out merchandise to any address other than the address on the credit card *as verified in the sales authorization/credit approval process*. Someone saying 'my credit card was abused; I did not make the telephone order purchase; I am not going to pay for it; and I am not going to file a police report' is a well-known scam. Of course they ordered it, of course they received it. I would say they have good reason for not wanting the police involved, wouldn't you? Their hope of course is that their plaintive whining about being a 'poor innocent consumer, abused by a big corporate bully that has its records all wrong' is going to catch on. What about if someone calls on the phone and places an order, and they reach you from a payphone somewhere and use a lot of tricks to get the connection; then they defraud you out of merchandise as well. Do you say the phone company was at fault for that? If you ran a 'real' store where shoppers came in and out all day, you would have a security guard, cameras or some sort of shoplifting deterrent in place. You would ask for identification sometimes wouldn't you? The same thing applies on the net. Study up on the rather sophisticated validation processes used by the telemarketing firms. I am sure you know all of that. I am well aware that consumers can be just as dishonest as companies; often times more so. And I have been around on the net long enough to know that everytime a consumer writes to a Usenet newsgroup with a horror story of how they were abused by some corporation, there are enough naive netters available to read it, believe it, cluck their tongues about it and keep on spreading the story about how awful Corporation X treated Miss Innocent until there is no chance of the facts ever being heard correctly, even though Corporation X is blameless. Consumers can be crooks also. You are the guy running the company on the net, you are expected to take what actions you need to take to protect your merchandise. I do not encourage anyone to steal or commit fraud using the net; and my only interest in secret-surfer is in providing HONEST people who want privacy with a little extra measure of it. I want to provide netters who are afraid of having their IP address or other identify- ing details about themselves show up in the logs of 'controversial' web sites with a way to visit sites of interest anonymously. I want to deny commercial web sites operated for the express purpose of collecting personal data on netters the ability to do so. And I will admit to a little bias, my own blind spot as it were: I am not enthusiastic about the commercialization of the web which has gone on a few years now. And its nothing personal to you Steve, but if I can be just one more thorn in their side, one more reason that it is hard or impractical to do business on the net and a few of them closed their web sites and left, I'd like that. :) I'd like to see the net in general and the web in particular go back to the way things were in the early to middle nineties and before, when it was used for sharing EDUcational resources. Secret Surfer, or Operator Pat as I call the thing is first and foremost a way to provide netters with privacy. If there are some unintended side affects for commercial sites, well, that's the breaks. I do not know how well Operator Pat will work with SSL arrangements. You might want to run some tests against known results and see what happens. You are the person with the merchandise to protect after all. Me, I am more interested in protecting the guys who do not want all the commercial web sites knowing their private business. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Frank Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:39:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Secret Surfer Question Pat responded: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yes you can connect to a site which > requires cookies if you choose. It is up to you if you leave cookies > turned on or not. Cookies can pose a risk, they can be an invasion > of privacy.If you choose to visit a site which requires cookies, and > if you allow cookies on your machine then the site will ask *the > proxy* if it wishes to have cookies, and you will answer yes, and > the site will deliver cookies *to the proxy* which is who it thinks > is calling. You proceeded to give an example where cookies are indeed correctly exchanged. But if you try to connect to http://telecom-digest.zzn.com/email/login/login.asp via the Operator Pat Secret Surfer page, you will get two cookies successfully exchanged on the way to the login page, but after you try to log in, the third cookie is never exchanged, and instead of logging in, it goes to the errCookie page and says you need to turn on cookies. This is the problem I was mentioning, because it doesn't only happen there, but other sites (where a login is required) complain about cookies too. Somehow, that third cookie gets lost on its way to the browser, consistently. So I don't think the cookie issue is quite as straight forward as you imply. Try it (www.my-deja.com is another site which fails the same way because of cookies). Frank [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: After getting your latest letter, I did in fact ask Operator Pat to connect my call to My Yahoo, and I got the same results you got with Deja ... it failed on the third cookie there also ... that's a shame! :) Then I went and tried it on the web-based email at http://telecom-digest.zzn.com/email/login/login.asp and it failed on the third cookie there also ... you caught something I had not checked before, and I appreciate your diligence. I wonder what sort of sick person, what sort of Evil Webmaster, would have stuck those cookies in there like that? :) It wasn't me. All I can say is that if Operator Pat is unable to connect your call to any particular site -- including /postoffice, our very own anonymous email area -- (oooh, that stings!) then you will just have to browse in the clear for that particular transaction. I'd like to think you trust me enough to browse in the clear when on the http://telecom-digest.org site anyway, but then my competitors down the hall at www.nudeteens-R-us.com (watch them act out! just $39.95 per visit conveniently charged to your phone bill!) feel the same way I guess. If http://telecom-digest.org/secret-surfer.html helps anyone in the legitimate way I have intended, feel free to use it as often as you want. Don't forget I like to eat at places other than Burger King once in a while also. Thanks. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #190 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Jul 5 02:27:19 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA20946; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 02:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 02:27:19 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907050627.CAA20946@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #191 TELECOM Digest Mon, 5 Jul 99 02:27:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 191 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Mobile Phones Splash the Canvas of Charlotte Scene (Stan Schwartz) Re: Guess Where I'm Calling From! Cell Phones Invade Wilderness (J. Nagle) Re: Guess Where I'm Calling From! Cell Phones Invade Wilderness (S. Cline) Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations (Bill Newkirk) Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. (pastark@cloud9.net) Re: U.S. Cellular Service in Israel (Stanley Cline) Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz (michael@ablecomm.com) Re: Horrible Data Connection (Dave O'Shea) Re: Any Other Phone Racers? (michael@ablecomm.com) Re: Rotary Dial Telephone (L. Winson) Re: Wanting a Particular Area Code and Call Forwarding (John R. Levine) Re: Spam Blocking (John R. Levine) Re: Spam Blocking (Danny Burstein) Re: Do Not Disturb (Ken M.) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: stannc.no1spam@yahoo.com From: Stan Schwartz Subject: Mobile Phones Splash the Canvas of Charlotte Scene Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 01:33:49 -0400 They're everywhere {The Charlotte Observer}, published 07/05/99 By DAVID BORAKS Staff Writer Kathleen Zemaitis has owned a mobile phone for five years, but used it only sparingly until a year ago, when her public relations and marketing business began keeping her away from her home office. Now she can't live without it. ``I live in my car, so calling and confirming meetings, discussing assignments and so on all happens on my mobile phone,'' said the 33-year-old Charlottean. The phone also lets her stay in touch with her nanny, who cares for Zemaitis' 4-year-old daughter and 2-year-old son. Zemaitis is among the legions of American mobile phone users -- more than 70 million at last count. An estimated 40 percent of U.S. households now own at least one, and analysts say the number of users is growing 25 percent a year. Improved technology, lower prices and more services to choose from have made mobile phones more attractive to consumers as well as businesspeople, traditionally the primary users. ``It's cheaper now. Wireless is more a daily way of life. It's really becoming more mainstream,'' said Mark Lowenstein, who studies the industry for Boston-based research firm The Yankee Group. Meanwhile, analysts say the trend appears even more pronounced in fast-growing, economically healthy metropolitan areas such as Charlotte. Sprint PCS, one of six competitors in the Carolinas, estimates 29 percent of Charlotteans have mobile phones. Nationwide, 25.6 percent of Americans had the devices at the end of 1998, up from just 16.6 two years earlier, said Christopher Larsen, a wireless industry analyst for Prudential Securities, a New York brokerage. When only adults are considered, the Charlotte metro area ranked No. 2 in one nationwide survey last year with an estimated 54 percent of adults owning a mobile phone. Only Chicago was higher. Exact figures are hard to come by because mobile phone companies won't disclose their subscriber numbers. It doesn't take research to figure out that mobile phones are popular with Carolinians. Just look around. There's the twentysomething woman at the bar at a trendy Davidson restaurant, pulling a phone out of her purse and chatting while her date is in the men's room. There go dozens of rush-hour drivers, speeding past Duke Energy's Charlotte headquarters toward highway on-ramps, one hand on the wheel and the other cradling a phone. There's the construction worker in line at an I-77 Burger King, barking Spanish into a Nextel two-way radio/phone to check his buddies' burger orders. Sometimes it seems everyone's got a phone in a purse or clipped to a belt. Analysts and industry officials aren't exactly sure why mobile phones are so popular here, though there are plenty of theories. For one thing, the arrival of four wireless phone competitors here since 1996 has driven down prices and made the services more affordable. New and established companies have expanded their networks of antenna towers beyond cities and highway corridors, so the phones work in more places than ever before. Many carriers also have introduced prepaid calling plans designed to bring in users with credit troubles, college students or others who want a tight rein on use. Meanwhile, technological advances have improved voice quality, made phones smaller, extended battery life and helped lower companies' costs so they can offer lower prices. All these factors are combining to broaden mobile phones into a mass-market phenomenon in Charlotte and elsewhere. ``What's been a sort of a business focus is about to leap into being a consumer one,'' said Andy Sukawaty, chief executive of Sprint PCS, which began offering service in North Carolina last fall. Sprint, AT&T Wireless and other national companies, as well as regional carriers such as BellSouth Mobility DCS, have tried to lead the revolution with prices and ad campaigns aimed at consumers. ``It's your life, don't miss it'' was BellSouth's slogan when it began offering service in the Charlotte area three years ago. Slick television spots featured soccer moms and commuter dads using their BellSouth phones. To reach a mass market, competitors have begun selling their phones not just through mobile phone stores, but also through mainstream outlets, including department and consumer electronics stores, office retailers and even grocery stores. Said Sprint's Sukawaty: ``We believe this is a lifestyle product, just like an automobile, just like an oven, or just like a radio. People are going to want to have these devices in their lives.'' Gadgets to love New technology also is helping to win converts, even creating fads among mobile phone fans. Whose phone is smaller? Whose is sexier? Whose gets e-mail or sends messages? Next-generation digital phones offer improved voice quality and battery life. They also are sleeker, smaller and more powerful, able to double as personal organizers by incorporating calendars, address books and even rudimentary electronic games. Unlike traditional cellular phones that sometimes deliver scratchy signals and even cut off, new phones and systems deliver a signal that, in some cases, rivals that of a standard land-line telephone. The new technology, and the extra competition, come as the result of the federal government's decision four years ago to auction off new mobile phone licenses in markets across the country. Until 1995, most major cities had just two traditional cellular telephone carriers. The auctions have brought new competitors quickly, so most major cities now have six competitors, including the original two cellular companies. The new licenses also have brought changes in technology. Cellular phones use what's called an analog signal, which converts conversations into a continuous radio signal that varies as your voice changes. The advantage of cellular systems is their age. With a 10- to 15-year head start in erecting antenna towers, sometimes called cell sites, they tend to cover a wider area than new digital services. But the new competitors, known as personal communications services, or PCS, are catching up quickly. ``It took the cellular carriers from about 1984 to 1994 to get to about 18,000 cell sites. The PCS carriers have added that in about the last two years,'' said Larsen, the Prudential analyst. By law, the new entrants must use next-generation digital technology, which transmits voices in the binary code of computers, as a series of zeros and ones. That allows the signal to be compressed so it will use less energy and a smaller part of the radio spectrum. That makes digital mobile phone systems more efficient and helps reduce carriers' costs -- and prices. Digital technology and other advances, such as longer battery life, also have transformed the handsets and made them almost a fashion statement. A couple of years ago, phone makers raced to offer the smallest and lightest phones. In recent months, high-tech features such as multiple ringing tones, built-in calendars and address books, and Internet e-mail capabilities have been all the rage. Some phones even have built-in Web browsers. Anytime, anywhere While lower prices, high-tech phones and new services such as Internet e-mail are luring new users, the raison d'etre of mobile phones remains the ability to call and be called anywhere. For people like Roger Ball, that makes all the difference. ``When mobile phones really came into being in the Charlotte area, it was a godsend for me and my business,'' said the 46-year-old commercial photographer in Charlotte. ``If I didn't have it, I would need to sit by my studio phone waiting for (clients') calls and not getting other things taken care of,'' he said. Ball's phone has helped him make deals even while on assignment halfway across the country. ``I have had art directors from out of town needing to find a photographer to shoot for them. Being able to contact me on my mobile while I was on location in another part of the country, and by referring them to my Web site to view samples of my work, (I was) able to land the job right then and there,'' he said. Zemaitis, the Charlotte public relations consultant, said her mobile phone is indispensable. ``There are some people who just rely on these phones. I'm one of those. I can't go without it,'' she said. ------------------------------ From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: Guess Where I'm Calling From! Cell Phones Invade Wilderness Date: 5 Jul 1999 01:01:47 GMT Organization: Netcom Mike Pollock quoted: > LAKE PLACID, N.Y. (AP) - High above the trees and surrounded by sky, > the Adirondack peaks can seem far removed from the everyday world. > Unless, of course, the guy next to you is jabbering on his cell phone. > Meanwhile, some high-end cell phones can pull in signals from > satellites, eliminating the need for towers. With the right equipment, > even the deepest, most remote gulch can be just a phone call away. Well, no. The highest peaks, yes; the deepest, most remote gulches, no. For Iridium service, the phone has to be able to see the satellite, and there isn't always one near the zenith. When you get above a few GHz, it's strictly line of sight. Iridium doesn't go through heavy foliage, either. You may not even be able to get a signal to the sats from within a car. John Nagle ------------------------------ From: sc1@roamer1.org (Stanley Cline) Subject: Re: Guess Where I'm Calling From! Cell Phones Invade Wilderness Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 05:19:38 GMT Organization: by area code and prefix (NPA-NXX) Reply-To: sc1@roamer1.org On Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:31:39 -0400, Mike Pollock wrote: > Baxter State Park in Maine has banned the use of cell phones on park > grounds, as it had earlier excluded radios and cassette players. All I have to say about this: This is *sick* and is going *too far*. The ONLY places where a ban on cellphone use is at all justified: * Airplanes (because of interference to ground cell sites, *not* because of interference to the plane); * Hospital patient care areas (banning cellphones in locations away from patient care areas such as the cafeteria and administrative offices is absurd); * Certain sensitive computer/telecom equipment rooms; Restaurants/Theaters/Concert halls/Churches/Funeral homes/etc., no (common courtesy should reign.); Cars, no (as long as the phone does not cause the driver to drive poorly.); *Public lands*, HELL NO! This is Ocoee[*] all over again. :( [*] for those that didn't read the Digest in summer 1996: http://www.roamer1.org/telecom/ocoee/ SC ------------------------------ From: Bill Newkirk Subject: Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:52:17 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com The fuel used these days isn't gasoline but it's about as flammable and burns w/o color (so you see the uniform melting away but no flames.) ------------------------------ From: pastark@cloud9.net Subject: Re: Death of GSM in Washington D.C. Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 05:12:45 GMT John R. Covert wrote: > The notice goes on to say that the parties had entered into a > settlement as of April 29, 1999 followed by an amended Settlement > Agreement on May 17th. The settlement consists of credit towards > Sprint-PCS phones or services for anyone in the class, which consists > of those who purchased GSM service from Sprint-APC prior to the > introduction of Sprint-PCS CDMA/AMPS service on April 2, 1998. Sprint > has also agreed to pay the attorneys bringing the class action suit an > amount not exceeding $1,190,000 plus interest since March 25th. There > is a fairness hearing in Baltimore on August 4, 1999. Note that the Sprint customers get nothing here -- only an exchange of one service for another -- while the attorneys who instigated the case clean up to the tune of over a million bucks (plus interest.) Just to get a handle on this, let's assume they had five attorneys working full-time on this case for 6 months (which I doubt). That works out to an annual salary of more than $476,000 each, and it illustrates what is wrong with the U.S. justice system. Everybody complains about the "high cost of medical care", but I don't know of a single M.D. that earns even close to this. I'm married to one, and I know of a whole lot of M.D.'s that earn about 20% of that amount. We need HMOs for lawyers! Pete [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Actually, there are prepaid legal service plans similar to medical HMO arrangements. Some companies offer them to their employees via payroll deduction, etc. Most of those however do not do extended or complex criminal cases; they seem to mostly handle relatively simple legal matters. PAT] ------------------------------ From: sc1@roamer1.org (Stanley Cline) Subject: Re: U.S. Cellular Service in Israel Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 05:27:10 GMT Organization: by area code and prefix (NPA-NXX) Reply-To: sc1@roamer1.org On Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:27:33 GMT, Sheryl Myers wrote: > Does anyone know what frequency Orange operates on in Israel (e.g. > European 900? US 1900? The 1800 they are on in Israel? European 900 MHz. SC ------------------------------ From: michael@ablecomm.com Subject: Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 02:26:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. In article , > Unless I am mistaken they have a rather short record time capacity 16 > minutes, I believe, which I consider inadequate. That is the reason > we have not really looked into them. Also I believe that particular > phone is a 900mhz/2.4Ghz "hybrid". I don't know the specifics of _your_ situation, but 16 minutes is adequate for most users. The typical message today is less than 15 seconds, allowing a good number of incoming messages in addition to the outgoing message. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm,Inc. - www.ablecomm.com -- biggest source of Panasonic phone system info; discounts for do-it-yourselfers ------------------------------ From: Dave O'Shea Subject: Re: Horrible Data Connection Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:29:28 -0500 Heather Drury wrote in message news:telecom19. 187.13@telecom-digest.org: > We have just moved into a new house (new for us) and are doing battle > with Southwestern Bell over our data connection. Basically, sometimes > it works, sometimes it doesn't and SWBT insists there is no problem. Oh, I feel your pain! > We had this very same equipment/modem, etc. at our old house (five > miles away) and it worked just fine for years. I think quality of local phone service has replaced the binge-drinking neighbor as the least favorite after-move surprise. > We are about 16K feet from the switch. When I connect (using a 56K > external analog modem), the modem trains and retrains during the > initial link negotiations. It usually ends up connecting at 24K baud. > The connection is sporadically ususble up until about 4 o'clock when > it becomes UNUSABLE (no response for minutes in a UNIX shell) for the > evening. We have moved the computer to the basement and are connected > directly to the SWBT network interface (so the problem is not internal > wiring). I'm about 3100 feet from the SLC hut that puts us onto fiber for the haul back to the CO. According to the local techs, Bubba and Elmer, I'm lucky to be able to break dial tone at that distance. But, heh-heh, I still pay full price for service - $50 a month per line for local service only! I finally broke down and got ISDN service - $172.00 per month. Ouch. I'll hazard a guess that you have underground wiring which is having moisture problems -- and as the heat moves away from the ground, the moisture moves back in. > What can we do? We are investigating getting a DSL line but aren't > certain we can get one in our area. This problem has been going on for > over a month (since 5/27) and SWBT is giving us lip service but not > taking steps (it appears) to resolve the underlying problem. Are we > really dead in the water, so to speak? Yes. Consider ISDN, etc. The official position of SWBell is that anything above 2400bps should be considered an earth-shattering miracle. (Needless to say, SBC is not high on my list of retirement-portfolio stocks) ... try finding out about cable modem service, etc. > I will say we have had technician after technician out (who usually > just complain about non-union techs and how terrible the SWBT > infrastructure is). We have also had many billing errors (three so far > on our first bill). All in all, I really can't wait for some other > carriers to enter our area so we can dump SWBT forever, but in the > meantime we need a decent data connection. I finally ended up ordering enough phone lines that SWBell was forced to lay new cable. Sure enough, that suddenly cleared up the problem. I can now get an astonishing 26.6kb on a modem!!!!!!! If I ever did get a v.90 connection here, I'd be very surprised. > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Chip in with neighbors for a fractional T1? ------------------------------ From: michael@ablecomm.com Subject: Re: Any Other Phone Racers? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 02:30:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. In article , support@sellcom.com wrote: > I was just wondering if there are any other phone systems in the > "race" as it were with the Siemens 2420/2402 Gigaset and the EnGenius > .5 mile SN900 Ultra (not that these are really comparable with each > other). > I have heard of a Brother 4line system cbelieve that range is one of > its goals. I've seen the Brother at Staples, but have not tried it. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm,Inc. - www.ablecomm.com -- biggest source of Panasonic phone system info; discounts for do-it-yourselfers ------------------------------ From: lwinson@bbs.cpcn.com (L. Winson) Subject: Re: Rotary Dial Telephone Date: 5 Jul 1999 02:44:47 GMT Organization: The PACSIBM SIG BBS > A friend of mine has suggested that I keep a rotary dial telephone on > hand in case the phone company loses its ability to detect DTMF. Is > there any validity in this advice? Perhaps there was a misunderstanding. Today, many people have only cordless phones that require household current to keep working. What I suggest is that people have at least one traditional hard wired phone in case of power failure. Some modern telephones aren't built very well and aren't very reliable. The traditional Western Electric sets (such as a plain "500" set) are very tough would make a fine back up phone. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jul 1999 00:06:59 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Wanting a Particular Area Code and Call Forwarding Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > I want a phone number starting with the area code of an adjacent > county. Many telcos offer what's called Remote Call Forwarding, which is basically a phone number that's permanently call forwarded somewhere else. You pay a monthly fee plus whatever the tolls are for the forwarded call. It's a regular landline number, so the toll rates are regular landline toll rates. If you have a friend who lives in that county, it's usually cheaper to get a phone line with regular call forwarding installed in his house, have them send you the bill, and plug in a phone just long enough to set up forwarding to the desired number. I did that for my old Cambridge Mass. number for a couple of years. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jul 1999 00:12:05 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Spam Blocking Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > The people that run my e-mail server use a service called ORBS (Open > Relay Behaviour-modification System), that blocks any message being > sent through an open relay ... ... including a certain amount of mail that is not spam, since ORBS lists hosts indiscriminately regardless of whether they've ever actually sent any spam. I use RRSS at relays.radparker.org, which is like ORBS but only lists open relays that have sent at least one spam. It's quite effective, since there are spam trap addreses that nominate open relays as soon as they send their first spam. This site handles mail to telecom-digest.org, so it's protected by RRSS as well. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Although John Levine handles any mail addressed to @telecom-digest.org, a certain amount of mail also comes to @lcs.mit.edu as to be expected. It all gets piped to the same filter rules on this end regardless, then filed various places as a result. John's filter does pretty well. PAT] ------------------------------ From: dannyb@panix.com (Danny Burstein) Subject: Spam Blocking Date: 5 Jul 1999 02:09:38 -0400 Organization: "mostly unorganized" In Keelan Lightfoot writes: > The people that run my e-mail server use a service called ORBS (Open > Relay Behaviour-modification System), that blocks any message being > sent through an open relay -- This means junk-mail which is sent > through an unknowing 3rd party server. I have found that ORBS greatly > reduced the amount of junk-mail I was recieving, as opposed to when my > server was not using ORBS. There are various lists of this type. The key one is Paul vixi's RBL (realtime blackhole list). Your mailserver gets put on this one if spam has gone through, _and_ you haven't taken immediate steps to block future incursions. The problem, of course, is that the first batch has already made it through. (If your server is on the RBL you'll discover that a *great deal* of the internet will block your outgoing messages. It is a *very powerful* weapon) ORBS is different: it's based on reports (not completely verified - see below) that a specific mail server is allowing outsiders (i.e. spammers) to access it to send out their mailte effectively . There are two key problems with this: a) The reports, as I mentioned, are not verified. Hence there is potential for false positives. b) also.. many servers can "look open" but in reality are blocking spam. Not to get into all the tricks the good guys can use, but one example could be a server which allows, say ten 'foreign' relays/hour - enough for the owner's legit purposes, but pretty useless for a spammer. A casual investigation of this relay would show it to be "open". Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ From: Ken M. Subject: Re: Do Not Disturb Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:25:40 -0400 Organization: Netcom Reply-To: pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: > Ken M. wrote: >> Michael Williams wrote: >>> pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com (Ken M.) wrote in <377B3C1C.7154@ix.netcom.com>: >>>> Bell Atlantic phone company of Maryland is now offering a new service >>>> called, "Do Not Disturb." The monthly fee is $3 per month. >>> Don't like the cost, but this should do it. I like the fact that >>> you can set this up to be active during only certain times of day, >>> such as during the legal window for telemarketing calls. >> Yes it will come in handy. Most of my troublesome calls are usually >> "Out of Area." >>> But doesn't this require you to distribute the passcode to >>> everyone? Perhaps this can best be done by specifying "extension >>> 1234" when you give out your home phone number. >> You can compile a list of 15 numbers (local or long distance) that will >> pass through. The others will have to enter the passcode "after" the >> announcement. > Does the software support having an phone number on the list that is > Caller*ID'ed as PRIVATE (ie: Call Blocked at the caller's end)? This > is one of my gripes about Caller*ID, Call Blocking (where you can > supply a list of numbers to not accept calls from) and Anonymous Call > Rejection - There is no way to REQUEST display/non-blocking of a call > that is flagged with a do-not-display flag even if by listing the > number you prove you know it. I have friends who have unlisted/unpub- > lished numbers and who have the line set to All-Call-Block who forget > to turn the blocking off when they call certain people (who know the > number) and thus my Caller*ID box will not display their number. Robert, This service will not allow ANY calls to ring your phone unless they are on the list you compile (15 numbers) or unless they know the four-digit access code they can enter (after hearing the rejection recording). After hearing the recording (one of three) such as, "The person you are calling is unavailable at this time," there is a five second pause where they can enter an access code. If they don't enter the code, they receive a busy signal. "Private" - "Unavailable" - "Out of Area" calls do not get through! (ken) See some sample photos taken with my Olympus digital camera at: http://www.theupperdeck.com/digitcam/ ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #191 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Jul 5 14:06:22 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA07311; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907051806.OAA07311@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #192 TELECOM Digest Mon, 5 Jul 99 14:06:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 192 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telecom Update (Canada) #189, June 28, 1999 (Angus TeleManagement) Rationale For Class Action Suits (was Re: Death of GSM) (Danny Burstein) Cellular 911 Position Location Issues (Lauren Weinstein) Re: Satellite GPS Can Locate Wireless Phones Within 15 Feet (Bud Couch) Maximum ARU Saturation? (Gary Marsh) Re: Rotary Dial Telephone (Ed Leslie) Re: Illegal Access of Phone Line (Pete Weiss) Re: Do Not Disturb (travlinman_mark@my-deja.com) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occassional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 765 Junction City, KS 66441-0765 Phone: 415-520-9905 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe/unsubscribe: subscriptions@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. URL information: http://telecom-digest.org Anonymous FTP: hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives (or use our mirror site: ftp.epix.net/pub/telecom-archives) Email <==> FTP: telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org Send a simple, one line note to that automated address for a help file on how to use the automatic retrieval system for archives files. You can get desired files in email. ************************************************************************* * TELECOM Digest is partially funded by a grant from the * * International Telecommunication Union (ITU) in Geneva, Switzerland * * under the aegis of its Telecom Information Exchange Services (TIES) * * project. Views expressed herein should not be construed as represent-* * ing views of the ITU. * ************************************************************************* In addition, a gift from Mike Sandman, Chicago's Telecom Expert has enabled me to replace some obsolete computer equipment and enter the 21st century sort of on schedule. His mail order telephone parts/supplies service based in the Chicago area has been widely recognized by Digest readers as a reliable and very inexpensive source of telecom-related equipment. Please request a free catalog today at http://www.sandman.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help is important and appreciated. A suggested donation of twenty dollars per year per reader is considered appropriate. See our address above. Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:08:59 -0400 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #189, June 28, 1999 ************************************************************ * * * TELECOM UPDATE * * Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin * * http://www.angustel.ca * * Number 189: June 28, 1999 * * * * Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by * * generous financial support from: * * * * AT&T Canada ............... http://www.attcanada.com/ * * Bell Canada ............... http://www.bell.ca/ * * Lucent Technologies ....... http://www.lucent.ca/ * * MetroNet Communications ... http://www.metronet.ca/ * * Sprint Canada ............. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ * * Telus Communications....... http://www.telus.com/ * * TigerTel Services ......... http://www.citydial.com/ * * * ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Newbridge Buys Wireless Broadband Maker ** Look Communications Ownership Restructured ** Saville Systems Sold to ADC ** CAIP ADSL Appeal Turned Down ** Internet Services Deregulated ** Janet Yale to Head CCTA ** NBTel to Test Centrex IP ** Startups to Offer Internet Phone Calls ** Iridium Changes Strategy, Cuts Prices ** Teleglobe Offers Broadband Satellite Links ** Novus, Optel CLEC Tariffs Approved ** Nortel, BellSouth Renew Supply Deal ** Lucent, Ascend Complete Merger ** MaxLink to Use CrossKeys Software ** Newbridge Operations Exec Resigns ** RIM Reports Record Results ** Cogeco Revenue Up 13% ** Call Center Seminar Comes to Toronto ** Telecom Tips, Tricks and Traps NEWBRIDGE BUYS WIRELESS BROADBAND MAKER: Newbridge Networks will pay US$490 Million to acquire Stanford Telecommunications of Sunnyvale, California, a manufacturer of wireless broadband equipment. As part of the deal, Stanford must sell its military and satellite ground station businesses to a third party. LOOK COMMUNICATIONS OWNERSHIP RESTRUCTURED: The CRTC has approved the transfer of Teleglobe's controlling interest in wireless cable TV provider Look Communications to a new company which will be two-thirds owned by Telesystem Financial and one-third by Teleglobe. The change was necessary because, as a result of last year's merger with Excel, Teleglobe no longer qualifies as a Canadian corporation under the Broadcasting Act. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/bcasting/decision/1999/d99152_0.txt ** Unique Broadband Systems (Markham, Ontario) will be the exclusive supplier of MMDS repeater equipment for Look's network until December 31, 2000. SAVILLE SYSTEMS SOLD TO ADC: Saville Systems, which develops billing systems for telecommunications companies, has been sold to Minneapolis-based ADC Telecommunications for US$700 Million. Saville has about 1,400 employees in Canada, divided evenly between Edmonton and Toronto. CAIP ADSL APPEAL TURNED DOWN: The CRTC has rejected the Canadian Association of Internet Providers' proposal that Bell be required to charge retail customers above-cost rates for high-speed Internet access, or to offer a wholesale ADSL service to ISPs at 25% off Bell's retail price (see Telecom Update #163). Below-cost pricing by Bell's affiliates is a reasonable response to competitive pressure from the cablecos, says the Commission, and Bell should not be required to subsidize other ISPs through a wholesale tariff. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/internet/1999/8045/04/o99-0591.htm INTERNET SERVICES DEREGULATED: The CRTC has confirmed its preliminary view, expressed last July, that retail end-user Internet services should no longer be regulated (see Telecom Update #142). It rejected CAIP's argument that high-speed access should be considered a separate market, subject to continued regulation. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/internet/1999/8045/04/o99-0592.htm JANET YALE TO HEAD CCTA: The Canadian Cable Television Association has named Janet Yale as President and CEO, effective August 1. Yale is currently Senior Vice-President at AT&T Canada, and previously held senior posts at the CRTC in both broadcasting and telecom. NBTEL TO TEST CENTREX IP: NBTel, the New Brunswick operating company of Aliant Inc, will be one of three worldwide test sites for Nortel's new Centrex IP system, which provides Centrex features over a managed IP network. STARTUPS TO OFFER INTERNET PHONE CALLS: Innofone.com (Toronto) and Cescom (Montreal) have both announced plans to offer Internet voice and fax service this year. Innofone says it will begin deployment in Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal and Vancouver in July; Cescom expects to offer its first services in August. IRIDIUM CHANGES STRATEGY, CUTS PRICES: Iridium, the financially troubled satellite phone company, is changing its market strategy to focus on specific industrial customers rather than business travelers. Iridium Canada has reduced its rates to $2.59/minute for calls within North America and $4.43/minute elsewhere. TELEGLOBE OFFERS BROADBAND SATELLITE LINKS: Teleglobe is now selling broadband Internet communications using Intelsat's facilities. It says that the new 16QAM technology produces "significant bandwidth savings" for broadband (34 and 45 Mbps) satellite connections. The first customers are telecom carriers in Korea and Australia. NOVUS, OPTEL CLEC TARIFFS APPROVED: The CRTC has approved, with amendments, General Tariffs filed by Novus Telecom and Optel Communications, defining terms and conditions for interconnecting with other carriers. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/internet/1999/8045/04/o99-0582.htm http://www.crtc.gc.ca/internet/1999/8045/04/o99-0590.htm NORTEL, BELLSOUTH RENEW SUPPLY DEAL: BellSouth Corporation has extended its purchasing agreement with Nortel Networks for 10 years. Nortel says it could sell BellSouth up to US$5 Billion worth of equipment over the life of the contract. LUCENT, ASCEND COMPLETE MERGER: Lucent Technologies has completed its merger with data networking manufacturer Ascend Communications. Ascend's Curt Sanford has been named President of Lucent's 8,000-employee InterNetworking Systems group. MAXLINK TO USE CROSSKEYS SOFTWARE: MaxLink Communications, which now holds wireless broadband (LMCS) licenses for 207 Canadian markets, will use software from Kanata, Ontario- based CrossKeys Systems to allow it to offer Service Level Agreements to large corporate clients. NEWBRIDGE OPERATIONS EXEC RESIGNS: Bruce Rodgers, VP of Operations at Newbridge Networks, has resigned his position, but will stay with the company. The company recently blamed its poor financial results on operational problems. RIM REPORTS RECORD RESULTS: Research In Motion (Waterloo, Ontario) reports a 172% increase over last year in its first quarter revenues. RIM took in $24.1 Million in the 3 months ended May 31 -- 77% of that was from the company's new Interactive Pager. COGECO REVENUE UP 13%: In the quarter which ended on May 31, Cogeco Cable had consolidated revenues of $82.9 Million, up from $73.4 Million in the same period last year. ** On May 31, Cogeco had 33,190 customers for its high-speed cable modem Internet access service, up from 25,690 on February 28. CALL CENTER SEMINAR COMES TO TORONTO: The top-rated seminar "Essential Skills and Knowledge for Effective Incoming Call Center Management" will be offered in Toronto, July 28-29. Course leader is Henry Dortmans, President of Angus Dortmans Associates. A course outline and registration details are available from Incoming Calls Management Institute at http://www.incoming.com/seminars/essential.html. For a brochure, call 1-800-672-6177. TELECOM TIPS, TRICKS AND TRAPS: Until June 30, new subscribers to Telemanagement receive "Tips, Tricks and Traps," a collection of 22 practical reports and resources by Ian Angus, Lis Angus, and Henry Dortmans. Included in the collection: ** How the Internet Is Shaking Up Telecom ** How to Sell Your Telecom Projects to Senior Management ** Seven Steps to Successful Phone Bill Audits To subscribe to Telemanagement (and receive Tips, Tricks and Traps) call 1-800-263-4415, ext 225 or visit http://www.angustel.ca/teleman/tm.html. HOW TO SUBMIT ITEMS FOR TELECOM UPDATE E-MAIL: editors@angustel.ca FAX: 905-686-2655 MAIL: TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement Group 8 Old Kingston Road Ajax, Ontario Canada L1T 2Z7 HOW TO SUBSCRIBE (OR UNSUBSCRIBE) TELECOM UPDATE is provided in electronic form only. There are two formats available: 1. The fully-formatted edition is posted on the World Wide Web on the first business day of the week at http://www.angustel.ca/update/up.html 2. The e-mail edition is distributed free of charge. To subscribe, send an e-mail message to majordomo@angustel.ca. The text of the message should contain only the two words: subscribe update To stop receiving the e-mail edition, send an e-mail message to majordomo@angustel.ca. The text of the message should say only: unsubscribe update [Your e-mail address] COPYRIGHT AND DISCLAIMER: All contents copyright 1999 Angus TeleManagement Group Inc. All rights reserved. For further information, including permission to reprint or reproduce, please e-mail rosita@angustel.ca or phone 905-686-5050 ext 225. The information and data included has been obtained from sources which we believe to be reliable, but Angus TeleManagement makes no warranties or representations whatsoever regarding accuracy, completeness, or adequacy. Opinions expressed are based on interpretation of available information, and are subject to change. If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ------------------------------ From: dannyb@panix.com (Danny Burstein) Subject: Rationale For Class Action Suits (was Re: Death of GSM) Date: 5 Jul 1999 03:29:29 -0400 In pastark@cloud9.net writes: > Note that the Sprint customers get nothing here -- only an exchange of > one service for another -- while the attorneys who instigated the case > clean up to the tune of over a million bucks (plus interest.) > Just to get a handle on this, let's assume they had five attorneys > working full-time on this case for 6 months (which I doubt). That > works out to an annual salary of more than $476,000 each, and it > illustrates what is wrong with the U.S. justice system. Let me, on the other hand, posit a very real and current example (which I'm *sure* most Digest readers have run into). The company I work for, which has lots and lots of phone lines, both regular, isdn, t-1s, etc., recently received a bill from [big legit phone company] asking for payment on a set of circuits. It certainly sounded real. Fortunately, our accounting division handed it to our telco pirannha [smirk] who realized these were NOT our lines AT ALL. These were for isdn "phone numbers" that were not and had never been ours. But [big telco] still sent a bill to US, under OUR NAME. It's very easy to suspect that they did the same to hundreds, thousands, or maybe more customers, hoping that a fair number woudl slip through. So ... we called them. They agreed to drop the charges (note that _their_ bill had _already_ cost us _our_ time and effort). The next month we received yet _another_ bill from them. So I sent off a letter to the NYS PSC, the FCC, and the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) pointing out the likelihood that this was being done in a misguided attempt to increase their revenues. (Which is the polite way of saying that [big telco] was sending out a thousand improper bills, hoping that ten percent or so would be paid). Well ... I've just received responses from each of these agencies telling me that 'we don't handle this problem.' (Rest assured I'm working on that little diversion). It certainly seems to me that [big telco] will _continue_ engaging in this practice until they get stopped. If gov't won't do this, then the alternative is, I hate to say, a class action lawsuit. And yes, the lawyers will get rich. So what. The key point is that once [big telco] gets hit for, say, a 100 million dollar judgment, then just maybe they'll get their billing system in order. As it is now, though, I suspect they figure that ten percent of recipients will pay up, and that they'll make out, dare I use the term, like bandits. Oh, and let's not forget that everytime [big telco] sends out one of these bill, even if we catch it we're out a couple of hours of staff time. It's kind of like spammers ... [big telco] has almost no expenses in sending these out, hence no incentive to not do it ... In fact, various people (among them the editor of Analog) have suggested that many companies have a deliberate policy of this sort, where they 'accidentally' send out excess bills to pre-designated demographic groups (i.e. the classic "little old lady" would get one, but they _won't_ send one to a CPA ...), and factor in their rate of return. Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 99 10:31 PDT From: lauren@vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein) Subject: Cellular 911 Position Location Issues Greetings. This topic has been a recurring one in the PRIVACY Forum, and is a good example of what I call "data creep"--data collected originally for one purpose that ends up being used for something else entirely. There are numerous articles in the Forum archive on the subject, and my "Daily Reality Report" (in RealAudio) for June 9th was on this matter: http://www.vortex.com/rr/060999.ram ("Tracked by Your Cell Phone") The original FCC push for cell location capabilities was drawn in terms of 911 emergency situations ("the lost caller" in an accident, snowdrift, etc.) These are serious situations and such location capability under such conditions is a useful function with which few would argue. But it was only shortly thereafter that the calls for additional access to the data began. Law enforcement is obviously interested, as are civil attorneys (who could use the data to try verify whether a spouse was really where they said they were on a given night, etc.) Commercial firms have a wide range of applications in mind, including use of location data to send targeted, highly localized promotional material to cell phone text displays, depending on where the user was standing at the moment (this would presumably be a "subscription" service, but it depends on precise location information to work). It's important to remember that there are both realtime and retrospective aspects to this issue. An emergency situation needs realtime data, as would a manhunt. But many criminal or civil investigations would want access to logs of historical data regarding particular cell phone movements, down to whatever level of granularity (e.g., current location once per minute) that the networks could provide. This introduces a range of complexities in terms of both the operational and policy issues surrounding such usage. Concerns over this sort of retroactive inspection of cellular location data has already caused some considerable controversies in Europe. Of course, at least with current technology, while a cell phone is turned off, it's completely out of the tracking picture. What being "turned off" might really mean with future units is a subject of some speculation. Whether we really end up with GPS receivers in our cell phones (and how well they'd really work, given current cellular/PCS limitations in buildings and such) is an open question. But regardless, it's critical that as new telecom technologies are implemented, that the policy issues are well considered ahead of time. Where necessary, legislative controls and safeguards on the application of these technologies should be implemented in advance of deployments, not long after the fact. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren@vortex.com Moderator, PRIVACY Forum --- http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Host, "Vortex Daily Reality Report & Unreality Trivia Quiz" --- http://www.vortex.com/reality ------------------------------ From: Bud Couch Subject: Re: Satellite GPS Can Locate Wireless Phones Within 15 Feet Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:58:11 -0700 Organization: ADC Kentrox > The main impetus for developing this technology was the FCC's > insistence that a way be found by October, 2001, to locate wireless > phones placing calls to 911 emergency services within 410 feet, said > Vannucci. However, the researchers chose at the same time to provide > for other location needs. So, for instance, a slight adjustment to the > technique would make it possible to track the location of a wireless > phone whether it is in use or not. Lucent ... no, not Lucent, it is a soulless corporation ... the officers, managers and engineers who "chose to ... track the location of a phone whether it is on or off" should hang their heads in shame. The FCC would never dare to mandate this "feature" -- the ability to track individual citizens without either their knowledge or consent. Both the legal and political outcry would be immediate and effective. Did someone of social and political naivete come up with this on their own, or was it a sub-rosa suggestion from the NSA or one of the other spook agencies? We'll probably never know, but it makes no difference; the techniques should not have been thought out by Lucent engineers, and the concept should have been quashed by Lucent management. Whatever slight benefit this may provide is more than outweighed by its potential for mischief. I write this over the 4th of July weekend. Will we still have something to celebrate when the chains which are constructed of such links are draped on us and our children? Bud Couch - ADC Kentrox |When correctly viewed, everything is lewd.| bud@kentrox.com (work) | -Tom Lehrer | budc@hevanet.com (just me) |"Therefore you're liable!" -EEOC | |insert legalistic bs disclaimer here | [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: On Sunday I briefly editorialized on the topic, 'what is right about America' and frankly it is getting harder and harder to find things that are right isn't it ... PAT] ------------------------------ From: Gary Marsh Subject: Maximum ARU Saturation? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:54:44 -0230 Organization: Cable Atlantic Hello, I'm piecing together a recommendation for a new ARU system, and I need one tidbit of information: what's the worst port saturation an ARU should get? I need this number. Just as an example of what I'm trying to do, here's a table of estimated port saturations for ports and time periods. "Worst Ever" is the worst day we've ever had, with the most calls hitting the present ARU system. 4 port 8 port 12 port 16 port Daily peak 30.8% 15.4% 10.2% 7.7% Worst ever 80% 40% 27% 20% We want this "worst ever" capability to be handled smoothly, as we've approached similiar figures a number of times during major outages. Thanks a lot. - Gary Marsh, gmarsh@thezone.net - Programmer, Cable Atlantic MIS Group - Phone: (709) 753-7583 ext. 312 ------------------------------ From: EdLeslie@EDU.YorkU.CA (Ed Leslie) Subject: Re: Rotary Dial Telephone Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:26:53 GMT Organization: York University, Ontario, Canada On Sun, 04 Jul 1999 15:21:48 -0500, hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) wrote: > But a good idea is to have a plain phone somewhere so that when the > power goes out and your fancy cordless phone doesn't work you can > still make and receive phone calls. I have a couple of VTECH 900MHz cordless units which have a "spare battery charger" in the base unit. The manual reads: "If you have a fully charged battery pack in the Spare Battery pack charger and there is a power outage, you will still be able to place and receive calls on the Handset for up to five hours." Pretty nifty feature. EdLeslie@EDU.YorkU.CA ------------------------------ From: pete-weiss@psu.edu (Pete Weiss) Subject: Re: Illegal Access of Phone Line Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:03:07 -0400 Organization: Penn State University -- Office of Administrative Systems (Regarding Mr. Scofield at dodgecity.net who wrote asking for help about his relatives getting fraudulent long distance calls on their bill ...) Also, how long have they "owned" that phone number? Did the previous owner have a dual-appearance? Does the phone number have 900/976 blocking? While you're at it, get a PIN for your phone account as well as a PIC freeze. If you don't accept collect and never use your phone for third-party billing, then also request billed number screening. Pete ------------------------------ From: travlinman_mark@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Do Not Disturb Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 06:34:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. In article is written: > Does the software support having an phone number on the list that is > Caller*ID'ed as PRIVATE (ie: Call Blocked at the caller's end)? This > is one of my gripes about Caller*ID, Call Blocking (where you can > supply a list of numbers to not accept calls from) and Anonymous Call > Rejection - There is no way to REQUEST display/non-blocking of a call > that is flagged with a do-not-display flag even if by listing the > number you prove you know it. I have friends who have unlisted/unpub- > lished numbers and who have the line set to All-Call-Block who forget > to turn the blocking off when they call certain people (who know the > number) and thus my Caller*ID box will not display their number. Where I live, in Ameritech country we can get Call Screening which they now refer to as "Selective Call Screening". This gives me ten numbers that I do not want to receive calls from, private or otherwise. In our installation of the software (a Seimens Digital) one can add the last number that called them by dialing 01 at the add number prompt. The software always says the number you have added is a private number regardless of weather or not the number was displayed on Caller-ID and given by *69. Anyway, in the case of a real private number one can then select the remove a number from list option and enter the known private number. If the switch says that the number was removed from your list then you know that it was that particular number with per- line blocking that made your last call.:) ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #192 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Jul 5 22:12:15 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA25806; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:12:15 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907060212.WAA25806@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #193 TELECOM Digest Mon, 5 Jul 99 22:12:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 193 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telecom Update (Canada) #190, July 5, 1999 (Angus TeleManagement) Re: Voicenet Calling Card Experiences Wanted (Jason Fetterolf) Trouble Calling From NPA 802 (Vermont) (Peter T) Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (Juha Veijalainen) Bang & Olufsen Cordless Phone (dknyc1@interport.net) Help! I Paid Good Money For These (Rowena C. Macaraig) Re: Key Systems and Single-Line Stuff (Leonard Erickson) Re: Guess Where I'm Calling From! Cell Phones Invade Wilderness (J Beckett) Public Service Message: www.thehungersite.com (Judith Oppenheimer) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:41:06 -0400 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #190, July 5, 1999 ************************************************************ * * * TELECOM UPDATE * * Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin * * http://www.angustel.ca * * Number 190: July 5, 1999 * * * * Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by * * generous financial support from: * * * * AT&T Canada ............... http://www.attcanada.com/ * * Bell Canada ............... http://www.bell.ca/ * * Lucent Technologies ....... http://www.lucent.ca/ * * MetroNet Communications ... http://www.metronet.ca/ * * Sprint Canada ............. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ * * Telus Communications....... http://www.telus.com/ * * TigerTel Services ......... http://www.citydial.com/ * * * ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Telecom Update Takes a Holiday ** Ex-Bell Execs to Lead Hummingbird ** AT&T Opens Local Network in Kitchener-Waterloo ** SaskTel Launches Internet Auction Site ** Community Networks Offered Reduced Rates ** Satellite TV Rivals Expand Service ** Infosat Cuts Satellite Handset Prices ** Canada Payphone Passes 1,000 Installations ** JDS/Uniphase Merger Completed ** Nortel to Equip Qwest for Terabit Transmission ** Regulators Propose E-Stock Exchanges ** Bills for Visually Impaired Customers ** Call Center Educators Form Global Partnership ** Cantel Offers Phone-in-a-Box ** AirIQ Tracking Recovers 94% of Missing Vehicles ** Parke Davis to Head Numbering Consortium ** Bell Canada Ends Trial of NumereX Security ** Look to Retail Through Future Shop ** What Killed the CBTA? ============================================================ TELECOM UPDATE TAKES A HOLIDAY: We're taking a short summer break: the next issue of Telecom Update will be published on July 19. EX-BELL EXECS TO LEAD HUMMINGBIRD: Jim Tobin, former head of Bell Emergis, and John McClennan, former President of Bell Canada, have been named President and Vice-Chairman, respectively, of Hummingbird Communications, Canada's third- largest software company. Fred Sorkin will continue as Chairman and CEO. AT&T OPENS LOCAL NETWORK IN KITCHENER-WATERLOO: AT&T Canada says it is now offering local and long distance voice, data, and Internet services to businesses and government customers in the Kitchener-Waterloo area of southwestern Ontario, using its own fiber-optic network and DMS-500 switch. SASKTEL LAUNCHES INTERNET AUCTION SITE: SaskTel has opened a Canadian online auction site. Sellers pay $1 per item posted plus a 2.5% commission to use Clickabid.com. COMMUNITY NETWORKS OFFERED REDUCED RATES: A consortium of community network groups says that Rodin Communications (Cambridge, Ontario) will provide Internet access for up to 80% less than current prices to community network consortia anywhere in Ontario. See the Regional Networks of Ontario (http://www.rno.on.ca/) for more information. SATELLITE TV RIVALS EXPAND SERVICE: Bell ExpressVu and Star Choice Communications have both announced plans to deliver over 200 channels this fall, using new, smaller dish antennas. Each is offering free trade-ins to current users of the other's dishes. ** ExpressVu says it will also offer DirecPC Internet service this fall. INFOSAT CUTS SATELLITE HANDSET PRICES: Infosat Telecommunications, Canadian distributor of Iridium satellite phone services, has cut its handset prices: the Motorola 9500, formerly $4,800, now goes for $2,495. ** PageNet, which sells Iridium's paging service, now offers the Motorola 9501 satellite pager for $499 (down from $799). CANADA PAYPHONE PASSES 1,000 INSTALLATIONS: Canada Payphone says it has now installed more than 1,000 AT&T pay telephones across Canada, and has contracts for 2,500 more. JDS/UNIPHASE MERGER COMPLETED: Fiber optic equipment manufacturers JDS Fitel (Nepean, Ont) and Uniphase Corp. (San Jose) have completed their merger. Jozef Straus of JDS will be President and COO of the new company, which will be called JDS Uniphase. (See Telecom Update #168) NORTEL TO EQUIP QWEST FOR TERABIT TRANSMISSION: Nortel has won a three-year contract, valued at above US$600 Million, to equip Quest's network for 1.6 terabit per second (1,600 gigabit) transmission. REGULATORS PROPOSE E-STOCK EXCHANGES: The Canadian Securities Administrators have proposed rules to permit Alternative Trading Systems, which link buyers and sellers of securities through an electronic network, bypassing stock exchanges. BILLS FOR VISUALLY IMPAIRED CUSTOMERS: A year ago, the CRTC ordered all Canadian carriers to provide bills in alternative formats, on request, to visually impaired customers (see Telecom Update #140). BCT.Telus, MTS, and the Aliant companies report they have received 49 requests for bills in Braille, 110 for large print, and 10 for bills on computer disk. They will comply with these requests by this fall. CALL CENTER EDUCATORS FORM GLOBAL PARTNERSHIP: Maryland-based Incoming Calls Management Institute has joined with call center specialists in nine other countries to form ICMI Global Partners, which will deliver call center management education on a global basis. http://www.incoming.com CANTEL OFFERS PHONE-IN-A-BOX: Rogers Cantel customers may now purchase a packaged wireless handset -- digital (Nokia: $149) or analog (Audiovox: $49) -- which they take home and activate by phone, selecting a price plan of their choice. AIRIQ TRACKING RECOVERS 94% OF MISSING VEHICLES: AirIQ, the Pickering, Ontario, supplier of satellite-based vehicle tracking service, reports a 94% recovery rate on missing vehicles carrying its equipment. PARKE DAVIS TO HEAD NUMBERING CONSORTIUM: Parke Davis, Clearnet's Director of Intercarrier Relations, has been appointed President of the Canadian Numbering Administration Consortium. BELL CANADA ENDS TRIAL OF NUMEREX SECURITY: Bell Canada has ended a trial of alarm and security technology from Atlanta-based NumereX Corp. and plans a "tendering process based on new requirements." LOOK TO RETAIL THROUGH FUTURE SHOP: Look Communications, which provides wireless-based TV, will retail its products through 35 Future Shop stores in Ontario and Quebec. WHAT KILLED THE CBTA? What led the Canadian Business Telecommuni- cations Alliance to close its doors? In the July-August issue of Telemanagement, available this week, Ian and Lis Angus analyze why the CBTA failed and argue that Canada needs a new organization of business telecom users. Also in Telemanagement #167: ** Lis Angus talks to Telus CEO George Petty about Telus's plans for national expansion. ** John Riddell profiles 21 present and future suppliers of alternative local phone service. To subscribe to Telemanagement call 1-800-263-4415, ext 225, or visit http://www.angustel.ca/teleman/tm.html. HOW TO SUBMIT ITEMS FOR TELECOM UPDATE E-MAIL: editors@angustel.ca FAX: 905-686-2655 MAIL: TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement Group 8 Old Kingston Road Ajax, Ontario Canada L1T 2Z7 HOW TO SUBSCRIBE (OR UNSUBSCRIBE) TELECOM UPDATE is provided in electronic form only. There are two formats available: 1. The fully-formatted edition is posted on the World Wide Web on the first business day of the week at http://www.angustel.ca/update/up.html 2. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 14:23:22 -0400 Reply-To: jason@itw.com From: Jason Fetterolf Has anyone had any experience with a company called VoiceNet? I'm > looking for a buisness calling card provider for about 3000 cards. > They seem pretty good, but I'd kinda like some first hand info. > Does anyone know anything about them?? Yes, I have extensive experience with VoiceNet. Originally just VoiceNet calling card user, I have become an authorized dealer for them, and in the three years of representing VoiceNet, there are several outstanding features which stand out about this card: 1. User friendly - you can choose your own PIN, and can make multiple calls without re-dialing the PIN # in again. As far as I know, even the ATT card doesn't have this multiple-call feature that allows the VoiceNet card users to avoid "voicemail jail". 2. Competitively priced - 14.9 cents a minute, 6 dec billing, NO surcharge per call. (except FCC mandated payphone fee). No minimums, and no monthly fees. 3. Reliability - the VoiceNet card's network (Econophone) has been available to me 99.9 % of the time. They use the Nortel DMS 250 switch just like the "big boys". I HAVE gotten a sporadic busy signal during peak times, but a quick re-dial normally would get me through. Voice quality has always been just as good as the "big three". 4. Customer service - available 24hrs, and very responsive. New card orders are received at the customers location within 7 business days. They process changes to your current account very accurately and promptly. 5. Directory assistance (DA) - at just .75 per call. Very few calling cards have any DA svcs, and this one has it at a great rate! 6. Conference calling. 7. International origination and termination: You can call from, to, and within most major countries. eg: Call from UK to US for only 27.5 cents/minute. 8. Fraud protection - VoiceNet has several measures in place to thwart unauthorized usage or access to the customer accounts. In summary, I have tried about 35 different competing cards within the last three years (including ATT, MCI/Worldcom, and Sprint), and have to say that this is the BEST card that I personally use or recommend to anyone that needs a reliable, low cost calling card. The enhanced features and international capabilities make this card a must for any business looking to * improve the effectiveness* of their personnel. I hope this info answers your questions. Jason Fetterolf Apollo Concepts 610-406-0444 ------------------------------ From: Peter T Subject: Trouble Calling From NPA 802 (Vermont) Date: 5 Jul 1999 15:40:04 -0500 Organization: Together Networks - Burlington, VT. My company of about 30 people recently got Manhattan 917 NPA digital PCS phones as a way of keeping in touch with each other while travelling -- the cell plans are pretty lame up here in VT and digital is not available. Our roaming charges were astronomical. We are quite frustrated by our inability to reach our own cellphones on a reliable basis. The intercept messages vary, but quite often, we get a switch message that says "your call did not go through, please try later. 052T" I called our LD operator (AT&T) by dialing 00 on an outside line and asked for further explanation of this message, but she pleaded cluelessness. We have recently experienced this message while trying to call other parts of the country, namely Montgomery AL (NPA 334) and occasionally El Paso TX (NPA 915). Can someone please tell me what the "052T" identifier on the switch message indicates? I assume our calls are crapping out before even reaching the intended remote NPA. -Peter Systems & Software, Inc. = http://www.mups.com me = mailto:pjtnews@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: juhave@iobox.fi (Juha Veijalainen) Subject: Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 23:22:58 +0300 Organization: Jkarhuritarit In article , PARitter@home.com says: > juhave@iobox.fi (Juha Veijalainen) writes: >> Military has never used cellular (whatever make/brand/standard) for >> anything secure. > Not true at all. In the late '80s, early '90s, Motorola manufactured, > and multiple US Government agencies (including DoD) used, the > "Cellular STU-III" which was approved for Top Secret communications. > This was nothing more than a car-mount cell phone with the same Secure > Telephone Unit type III used on landline phones (STU-III) built in The kind of cellular phone you describe is not a standard, off the shelf cell phone, like GSM phones this thread was discussing. And when speaking about 'cellular' or 'cell phones' I mean any kind of mobile phone system (AMPS, NMT, TACS, 'TDMA', 'CDMA', GSM, PCS, etc...), not just old AMPS or similar system. In Europe some countries are adopting Tetra systems for police, rescue and government use. Technology is similar to GSM - well, it uses TDMA as does GSM, radio cells and encryption. Some network services are tailored for official use. I have no details on network and its security, but I'd suppose it is different from GSM and I'd assume it is not weaker. Also, as someone pointed out, reqular GSM encryption is an _option_. Operators may choose not to implement it. In some countries encryption might be prohibited. If you have a network monitor activated handset, you can observe the encryption status of your active call. The Finnish networks I've checked are using encryption. Juha Veijalainen, Helsinki, Finland, http://www.iki.fi/juhave/ Some random words: bomb,steganography,cryptography,reindeer ** Mielipiteet omiani ** Opinions personal, facts suspect ** ------------------------------ From: dknyc1@interport.net Subject: Bang & Olufsen Cordless Phone Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 20:35:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Does anyone have any experience with the Bang & Olufsen new cordless phone for U.S. use? I am thinking of buying one. ------------------------------ From: Rowena C. Macaraig Subject: Help! I Paid Good Money For These Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 05:28:17 -0700 Dear Mr. Townson, I know that I shouldn't bother you with this but I don't know anyone who can help me. I am from the Philippines. A Japanese who came to my country sold me some Japan made cell phones (DoCoMo & Kyocera). When I brought the units to a mobile sevice provider, I was told that Japan uses a different system which is not being used in my country. Our technicians are not familiar with the Japanese system and the frequency they are using. Is there a way to convert Japanese standard cellphones to function in my country? We are able to use all US and European cellphones. I paid good, hard earned money for those phones. I was hoping to go into business and sell them here in my country. Can you help me? If you cannot, perhaps you can refer me to someone who can. Thank you very much. Please email me. Weng [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Does anyone know how to resolve the problem this person is having? PAT] ------------------------------ From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Key Systems and Single-Line Stuff (was Re: What Do I Ask For?) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:32:35 PST Organization: Shadownet Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) writes: > If you are going to use a single-line phone or modem, you have to > make sure it's wired to provide A-lead control; otherwise, the lights > won't light when the thing goes off hook (and won't stop flashing if > you answer from single-line equipment) and trying to hang up may > actually place the calls on hold instead. In my experience *many*, if not *most* modems *do* come with A lead control. And most of the ones that do, won't let you disable it. This means that if you use the regular four-wire cable they supply you with, and plug into a jack that either has a second line of the yello/black pair (RJ-14) or one that has *power* for an old Princess phone or the like on them, you are going to have some *real* problems. With the RJ-14, the modem will *short* line two every time it goes off hook. With the other setup, it'll short the output of that old telco "wall wart" that's hiding in the basement or wherever. The first is annoying. The second is downright *dangerous*. That's why *unless* I'm using a modem on an old key system I make a point of using a *two* wire phone cable. Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:14:33 EDT From: John A Beckett Subject: Re: Guess Where I'm Calling From! Cellphones Invade Wilderness > *Public lands*, HELL NO! This is Ocoee[*] all over again. :( > [*] for those that didn't read the Digest in summer 1996: > http://www.roamer1.org/telecom/ocoee/ I've read this diatribe. It makes sense only if you assume cell coverage at a reasonable price is a constitutional right anywhere in the USA. The tower GTE put up back in 1996 has since been removed. It was apparently there only for the Olympics. US 11/64 along the Ocoee is now blissfully innocent of cell signals to my knowledge. I think that's a Good Thing. /\--. John A. Beckett "Never tire of doing / \ ) Southern Adventist Univ. right." 2 Thess. 3:13 /----\---. voice: (423) 238-2701 \ / \ \ FAX: (423) 238-2431 `-' `--' home: (423) 396-2453 jbeckett@southern.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 18:57:08 -0400 From: Judith Oppenheimer Organization: ICB Toll Free News / WhoSells800.com Subject: Public Service Message: www.thehungersite.com Feed folks, no cost to you. "At no cost to themselves, visitors to The Hunger Site can donate a free serving of rice, wheat, maize or other staple food to the hungry. The site's corporate sponsors pay for the donation. Anyone on the Internet can make one free donation every day." (quote from InternetNews.com) http://www.thehungersite.com The Hunger Site Home - Donate Food for Free to Give to Hungry People in the World. Please share with your friends, and ask them to share with others. Thanks, Judith Oppenheimer [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This is a wonderful service, and I want to thank you for bringing it to our attention. I'd appreciate it if every reader today would take a minute now to visit the site and make a donation. It costs nothing except a click of your mouse when you get there. Thank you very much. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #193 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Jul 6 16:57:12 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA03154; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907062057.QAA03154@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #194 TELECOM Digest Tue, 6 Jul 99 16:57:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 194 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson ITU Announces Official ADSL (Hi-Speed) "Standard" (Danny Burstein) Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? (Charles Gimon) I Need The Telephone Instrument Maintenance Manual (Felix Chang) CNG Tone Routing on PBX? (ematteso@my-deja.com) Johnnie Collie (Gregory L. Abbott) Re: Satellite GPS Can Locate Wireless Phones Within 15 Feet (Arthur Ross) Re: Horrible Data Connection (Herb Stein) Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz (Steve Winter) Re: Rotary Dial Telephone (LARB0) Re: Qwest: Raising My Intrastate Rates and Imposing Fees (A. Carr) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 23:47:46 EDT From: Danny Burstein Subject: ITU Announces Official ADSL (Hi-Speed) "Standard" (lightly edited/reformatted for distribution) ITU International Telecommunication Union United Nations specialized agency for telecommunications PRESS Release This press release is published in French, English and Spanish. For further information, or for additional copies in one of the languages, please contact the Press Office, International Telecommunication Union. Telephone: +41 22 730 6039 Telefax: +41 22 730 5939/733 7256 Internet: pressinfo@itu.int Web: http://www.itu.int/newsroom/ (For information media, not an official record) ITU/99-10 5 July 1999 Original: English ---------------- Affordable Multi-Megabit/s Network Access to Internet via Telephone Lines to be fostered by single transmission standard Geneva - The ITU announced today that its Telecommunication Standardization Sector had approved a set of new world standards providing Multi-Megabit/s network access via ordinary telephone subscriber lines by using ADSL (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line) technology thus meeting its commitment announced last October 1. The approved standards, also called ITU-T Recommendations are effective immediately. Systems based upon these ITU-T Recommendations are being introduced in many countries to provide affordable access to Internet, teleworking, distance learning, and multi-media services at speeds many times faster than possible via today's 'dial-up' modems, thus completing the 'last mile' in high-speed subscriber-to-subscriber data connections. "These services answer the urgent need of telecommunications customers for instantaneous access to multi-media information, and the approval today is well timed for telecommunications and computer equipment vendors, service providers and network operators alike, since many companies are now introducing systems and services on a large scale, based upon these new world standards for ADSL", said Peter Wery, Chairman of ITU-T Study Group 15. The approved ADSL Recommendations establish a set of coordinated specifications for compatible systems that operate over a range of bit-rates from less than 1 Mbit/s to about 7 Mbit/s. Furthermore, these Recommendations have strong commonality with regional ADSL standards. As a result, work in ITU-T led to world-wide agreement on a single standard transmission method for ADSL systems, the technical specifications having been agreed by Study Group 15 last October thus providing the technical stability required by manufacturers and service providers to start bringing compatible products to the market. This single transmission method for ADSL is now in use by network operators, service providers and telecommunications equipment and computer systems vendors around the world, facilitating the interoperability of ADSL systems from different equipment suppliers. Indeed, several companies have announced progress in demonstrating multi-vendor interoperability of ADSL systems based upon the earlier drafts of the ITU-T Recommendations. System interoperability provides both consumer and business customers with the freedom to choose among equipment from many different vendors. The set of the approved ITU-T ADSL Recommendations covers: * ADSL transmission at rates up to about 7 Mb/s with the use of a filter to split data from voice-band signals (G.992.1) * ADSL transmission at rates up to 1.5 Mb/s with a simplified service installation and reduced modem cost. This typically avoids the need to install new wire or a splitting filter in the customer premises (G.992.2) * Method for DSL systems to negotiate mutually supported operating modes (G.994.1) * Reference architecture for ADSL system (G.995.1) * Test methods for ADSL systems (G.996.1) * Management of ADSL systems (G.997.1) "Regarding the future evolution of the family of ITU-T DSL (Digital Subscriber Line) Recommendations, work is already underway on potential enhancements, including topics such as even higher bit rates, increased loop reach, and support of combined voice and data access, for both, symmetrical and asymmetrical operation", Peter Wery added. For more information, please contact: Mr. Richard L. Stuart Rapporteur Transceivers for subscriber access systems Tel:+1 410 884 4017 Email: dick_stuart@3com.com Mr. Andrew Nunn Chairman Working Party 1/15 Tel: +44 1728 830462 Email: andrew.nunn@btinternet.com Mr. Peter Wery Chairman Study Group 15 Tel: +1 613 763 7603 Email: wery@nortelnetworks.com Mr. Fabio Bigi Deputy Director Telecommunication Standardization Bureau ITU Tel: +41 22 730 5860 Fax: +41 22 730 5853 Email: fabio.bigi@itu.int Note to Editors: The International Telecommunication Union (ITU) is a global organization where the public and private sectors cooperate for the development of telecommunications and the harmonization of national telecommunication policies. It consists of 188 Member States and some 500 Sectors members representing public and private companies and organizations. Its Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) coordinates the development of global communications standards. ITU-T Study Group 15, where the work on these specifications has been carried out, is responsible for the standards development in the area of transport networks, systems and equipment. ________________ 1 See information note to the press 4 of 29 October 1998 ------------------------------ From: Charles Gimon Subject: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Date: 6 Jul 1999 04:20:29 GMT Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc. This keeps happening to me: Friend or acquaintance travels to California. Stays at a hotel, a friend's house, wherever. Tries to call me, can't get through. What happened? Turns out, I block all calls that don't transmit caller ID info. (Works great at weeding out telemarketers.) The place that they're calling from is set not to transmit caller ID info. This happens to me constantly on calls from California, and now from Washington state. Is it just me and bad luck, or are there lots of West Coast people who still aren't transmitting the caller ID burp? Wild new Ubik salad dressing, not | gimonca@skypoint.com Italian, not French, but an entirely | Minneapolis MN USA new and different taste treat that's | http://www.skypoint.com/~gimonca waking up the world! | A lean, mean meme machine. ------------------------------ From: Felix Chang Subject: I Need the Telephone Instrument Maintenance Manual Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:01:24 +0800 Hello, I see about the telephone instrument maintenance manual from web site. I need it. Other I have a question ask for you that "Flash" if had a specification in telephone intend to 'Earth". Thanks! Regards, Felix Chang Telephony & Networking Communication Equipment, Inc. Addr.: Bldg. 52, 195-31, Sec. 4, Chung Hsin Rd., Chutung, Hsinchu Hsien, 310 Taiwan Tel: 886-3-5832888 ext. 701 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am not at all certain about Mr. Chang's inquiry. His email arrived here with a lot of gibberish as part of his address; I assume those were from a Chinese language character set which will not print out correctly here. I am printing above what I can from his letter; hopefully someone who speaks his language or has the correct language support on their computer will correspond with him then advise me of actions taken or required. I also forwarded a copy of this to David Massey since Mr. Chang may be referring to one of the documents on display in our telephone museum exhibit located at http://telecom-digest.org/tribute PAT] ------------------------------ From: ematteso@my-deja.com Subject: CNG Tone Routing on PBX? Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 03:10:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. I need some help here. I have the following setup: - DID T1 with 4 digits (ext #) set by CO - Adtran CSU/DSU - Mitel SX2000Lite where the DID T terminates - CallXpressNT with cards that take COV lines - RightFAX with loop start cards to ONS lines Here is what needs to be done. Each DID able to receive voice or faxes. The problem is when I reroute to the voicemail server to detect if its a fax the AVT Mitel intergration automatically inserts a 3 . So a call to xxx-4444 would be seen by the voicemail as 34444 which is used to route to user voicemail boxes from a trunk call. I've thought about getting a DID card for the voicemail box but then voice calls would tie up all my COV ports. Any thoughts? It seems so simple if the PBX could detect the CNG tones and route to an alternative route. If not route to the extension. Or if the Fax server could always get the calls and if it doesnt detect a CNG tone then reroute to the extension. Any help would be helpfully. (Replacing existing equipment/software is not an option). Thanks, E! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 18:19:07 -0700 From: Gregory L. Abbott Organization: Attorney at Law Subject: Johnnie Collie Dear Mr. Townson; I just read your notice regarding Mr. Collie and his alleged scam. I wanted to take a moment to commend you for alerting as many as possible to his behavior. I practice in the area of consumer law in the Portland, Oregon area and can readily attest that no end of people will get sucked into such operations, even when they should know better. It simply is human to want to get a bargain, a deal, or, best of all, something for nothing - and scam artists prey on that exact human fraility. I might also suggest contacting the Michigan Attorney General's office. At least in Oregon, the Attorney General has a special consumer fraud division set up to take complaints and put a stop to such activities - be they on the Net or elsewhere. I would think Michigan would as well. Even the District Attorney's office in that County might well be interested. Lastly, your readers might be interested in knowing that if they paid by credit card, they can issue a stop payment on the credit card, just like a check. There are two different types of stop payments for credit cards, one of which has to be issued to the consumer's own credit card provider within 60 days of it first appearing on the bill. Further, the charge should always be disputed BEFORE any part of the charge is paid. Nevertheless, even if more than 60 days has gone by, the consumer who feels ripped off should write his or her own credit card provider, giving details of the date and charges, and request a charge back. If the consumer has attempted to resolve the complaint with the "merchant" first and not gotten satisfaction, the consumer is then free to request a charge back from the credit card provider - theoretically, even if it is years past the purchase date. Obviously, for $20 there are limits as to how much effort it is all worth, but that, of course, is one of the things Mr. Collie is counting on. Again, please accept my commendations for exposing Mr. Collie's operation. Greg Abbott [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you for your kind message. Mr. Collie of course was just an amateur where that sort of thing is concerned, but one of an increasing number of scam artists on the net, not all by any means just little one-man outfits like Collie. Some are actually much larger and more sophisticated. Regretably, because the philosophy of some long-long-long time netizens who carry some weight is that the net could never, ever possibly survive these days without the massive commercialization which has occurred, scams like Mr. Collie's are finding it easy to locate themselves on the net. No, they certainly do not endorse Collie and similar, but in their desire to convert the net over from its original, intended and traditional purposes for more than a decade into one great big electronic shopping mall, they seem to cut some corners and ignore a few of the problems. They claim to be looking into the privacy problems, but I don't think they are. I don't think most of them give two hoots about privacy, except when it comes to conducting their own meetings in secrecy where they function as liason between big government and big business gradually removing the net from users and small ISPs and putting it in the hands of large companies and large service providers with agendas of their own which don't include you or me. Surprise! You didn't know that yet? Assuming that a large, relatively well-known business has a presence on the net, and that they are for all intents and purposes honest with their customers -- a big assumption to be sure in some cases -- there are still some dreadful problems with lack of security and the casual handling of personal information. I do not think credit card ordering on the net is safe at all; there are lots of problems with that. I would never want to use my credit card on the net on any regular basis and/or tie it in with my name and address. And that is assuming they are honest, mean well, but just cannot get their act together. God help us with the dishonest ones out there of which there are plenty who are slipping in largely unnoticed because of the federal government's wish to hand the whole thing over to big business posthaste and a number of 'internet pioneers' who are willing to go along with it; so willing in fact that they deliberatly exclude the average netizen -- like Ronda Hauben -- from attending their meetings or anyone who is likely to report to the net as a whole what is happening. In fact, they do not really like it when anyone attends their meetings, which under the law since the federal government is extensively involved, should be open to the public. If your name is {Wall Street Journal} or {New York Times} then you are invited to attend their meetings since you can be counted on to go back to your readers chanting the mantra 'Big Business is Good for the Net'. The excuse they offer for ignoring the law on open meetings is that 'some of the people in our group are from foreign countries, where they do not conduct their business in open, public sessions', and some of these people might be offended if nosey netters or others come along and ask difficult questions like, 'what the hell are you doing, stealing our internet to be used for your business operations?' They assume being large and having an obnoxious attorney and lots of money they'll get their way here the same as they do in the physical world. See a domain name you want? ... take it. Need more bandwidth? Tell a couple of small private websites to get out of the way. Getting some bad public relations from a user on the net? Claim that it is all just a bunch of lies, and put some heavy pressure on the sysadmin to kill the user's account and web site. Always look for the deep pockets. Don't waste your time suing some user who cooks carrots and pees in the same pot; buck the chain of command and go right to the top, threaten them with a massive lawsuit if they don't get rid of that user, etc. By the way, I already, just yesterday, got my first piece of hate mail regards http://telecom-digest.org/secret-surfer.html -- an attorney who says if his client loses five cents as the result of some fraud committed using Operator Pat as the gateway, I'll get the suing of my life. I needed a good laugh. In California for many years, perhaps still, the Commercial Code required that any business running newspaper advertisements which solicited money from the public had to, under the law, include their street address as part of the ad. They could display a PO Box address and a toll free 800 number prominently in their advertising, but somewhere a street address and the legally precise name of their company had to appear. So you would see these full page newspaper ads extolling one thing or another and a PO Box or 800 number to reach them, but then way down at the bottom of the page, or perhaps running sideways along the bottom somewhere in 1/16 of an inch print would be a *tiny* thing saying, 'CompanyName, Inc, 1234 Main Street' and nothing else. Is that still the law in California? Would it be asking too much to require that every commercial site on the net include somewhere on its web pages, and I do not care if it is in little tiny print, its exact legal name, its street address, a non-800 telephone number and the name of its registered agent (this is usually the attorney representing it) for the purpose of legal service? I would like to see the above requirement of every site using .com in its URL, and/or any site which *requires* cookie-passing as a condition of participation at the site. If you require cookies and/or require money at your site, you must be a .com, and all sites that are .com must display somewhere at their site their street address and the other details mentioned above. If they do not sell things, require money to participate or force netizens to accept cookies, then they should not be in .com which after all does mean COMmercial. If they do require those things, then netizens should have the right to know who they are dealing with, and who to see or where to go to get their money -- or their reputation! -- back if necessary. The rule would be that .com sites, like any business in the commmunity do not receive the same degree of privacy as afforded to individuals. It would be sort of like the requirement we have now for post office boxes. You may get one and stay private; if you solicit, you lose some of those privacy rights; anyone can demand to know the name and address behind the PO Box. We've used that technique a few times here with spammers, haven't we! (grin) ... Jeff Slaton comes to mind, and that female impersonator over in Queens, NY who used to flood the net with his magazine subscription plans while posing as a 'foreign exchange student' ... remember that joker? But I seriously doubt any such imposition would be made upon .com sites since after all, many large corporations are offended even by the ability of a person like you or me to walk down to the public library, ask for the index of corporate registered agents, look up a name and address, then walk over to the attorney's office and hand him legal service on behalf of his client. A good idea though, but Father Knows Best, and I doubt he or his children would provide imprimateur and try to push that requirement on others at their little 'internet for sale to the highest bidder' meetings. And I seriously doubt if over the next couple years they will even tolerate newsgroups or mailing lists like this one at all; they need the bandwidth for other stuff. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:35:04 -0700 From: Arthur Ross Subject: Re: Satellite GPS Can Locate Wireless Phones Within 15 Feet Bud Couch wrote: > The FCC would never dare to mandate this "feature" -- the ability to > track individual citizens without either their knowledge or consent. > Both the legal and political outcry would be immediate and effective. > Did someone of social and political naivete come up with this on their > own, or was it a sub-rosa suggestion from the NSA or one of the other > spook agencies? We'll probably never know, but it makes no difference; > the techniques should not have been thought out by Lucent engineers, > and the concept should have been quashed by Lucent management. Sorry, that's EXACTLY what they have done. I personally believe that there originally was no nefarious motive on the part of the FCC, but, as Lauren pointed out elsewhere in that same issue of TD, there is all sorts of potential for mis-use and abuse, both in real time and after-the-fact -- "usage creep." From CFR 47 20.18, 10-1-98 Edition: "(e) Phase II enhanced 911 services. As of October 1, 2001, licensees subject to this section must provide to the disignated Public Safety Answering Point the location of all 911 calls by longitude and latitude such that the accuracy for all calls is 125 meters or less using a Root Mean Square (RMS) methodology." The full text of CFR 47, and other FCC documents and proceedings can be found on the FCC website (http://www.fcc.gov). Some recent remarks by the Chairman of the Wireless Bureau (also from FCC website): Remarks of Tom Sugrue Chief, Wireless Telecommunications Bureau Federal Communications Commission 911 Critical Issues Forum Integrating Transportation, EMS and 9-1-1: A Vision for the Future Alexandria, Virginia May 21, 1999 As prepared for delivery. Thank you very much for your kind introduction. I would especially like to thank you on behalf of Chairman Kennard. He appreciated the invitation to join you today and regretted the fact that other commitments kept him from being here. Moving forward on public safety programs such as wireless E911 is one of the Chairman's highest priorities. Exactly two years ago today, on May 21, 1997, at a meeting very like this one, the FCC joined NHTSA and Dr. Martinez to issue a call to action for implementation of wireless enhanced 9-1-1. Emergencies occur where there are people, not necessarily where there are phone lines. Because wireless phones can travel wherever we do, wireless 9-1-1 has proved to be the greatest advancement in public access to emergency services since the birth of 9-1-1 itself in 1968. Wireless 9-1-1 has saved countless lives and brought help to millions of people over the years. But, as we recognized in our call to action, a great deal of planning and work were needed to make wireless technology a more effective component of the overall system of providing help in emergencies. For example, if you call 9-1-1 today on a wireless phone, the 9-1-1 dispatcher will not know where you are, where help is needed. You must be able to describe your location, or at least where to begin looking, before help can arrive. This can delay and vastly complicate the work of emergency response teams. A week ago today, for instance, a man not far from here in Fairfax was traveling only as far as from his home to a nearby gas station on a riding lawn mower. It overturned in a ditch and trapped him underneath. He managed to use his cellular phone to call 9-1-1, help eventually arrived, and he escaped without serious major injury. But it took scores of police, aided by a helicopter, almost an hour to find him. If the 9-1-1 dispatcher had known the location of his phone, help could have arrived much faster, and that help could have been, not scores of police, but a single officer. And not a fleet of vehicles and a helicopter, but one squad car and an ambulance. When we joined with NHTSA in 1997, we reported that 47 million Americans had wireless phones and they made 59,000 emergency calls each day. Today, the American desire for mobility and communication has proved so powerful that the number of wireless phones has grown by 57% to over 74 million. And the use of those phones to seek emergency help has grown even faster. In just those two years, the volume of wireless 9-1-1 calls has increased by 66%, to over 98,000 calls every day. Those calls are saving lives, bringing help to people in need, and preventing crime. As we saw most recently and tragically in Littleton, Colorado, the wireless phone has become for many Americans, including our children, the lifeline to help in any emergency. At the FCC, we have adopted a number of rules designed to improve wireless 9-1-1 service. For example, our rules require that the wireless carriers handle all 9-1-1 calls and route them to the 9-1-1 center designated by state and local public safety authorities. And just last week, the FCC adopted rules requiring manufacturers to modify analog cellular handsets to help improve 9-1-1 call completion, allowing 9-1-1 calls to be handled by either cellular carrier. That proceeding addressed the "dead zone" problem, in which callers may find themselves unable to complete 911 calls because their preferred cellular provider does not provide service in a particular geographic area. The rules we adopted last week will help to improve this situation by facilitating completion of 911 calls by the other cellular carrier. This proceeding prompted much debate, and the Commission -- working in concert with consumer groups, the public safety community, the cellular industry, and handset manufacturers -- was able to craft a flexible policy which will improve wireless 911 call completion by requiring handset manufacturers to use any one of three approved call completion modes, at their discretion. In addition, in what is commonly referred to as Phase1 of our wireless E911 rules, covered carriers are required, as of April 1 1998, to provide automatic number identification (ANI) and cell site information for 911 calls to PSAPS. In what is referred to as Phase II of our rules, effective October 1, 2001 all covered carriers will be required to identify the location of mobile units making 911 calls within a radius of no more than 125 meters. Unfortunately, Phase I deployment has been slow, and some difficult issues have arisen as we prepare for Phase II. In addition to the development of effective location technology, wireless E911 requires funding mechanisms, upgrading of 9-1-1 equipment to understand and use wireless location information, coordination with local telephone carriers and their existing 9-1-1 databases, and the management of emergency systems to make rapid and effective use of this information. Many technical, legal, and regulatory questions will need to be resolved. To take one example, we need to be sure that our rules permit the most effective technologies to be used to provide location information, whether that technology resides in the wireless network, the handset, or both. We should encourage our inventors and entrepreneurs to surprise us once again with their innovations and creativity in developing wireless location technology. These efforts are only one aspect of the Commission's efforts to apply wireless technology to public safety needs. The Commission will conclude a proceeding this year which may allocate additional spectrum to help meet the communications needs of emergency service agencies. The Commission is also currently studying the Transportation Department's request to establish an abbreviated three-digit dialing code that would allow consumers to access intelligent transportation systems nationwide. Wireless technology can also be used, under our safety warning system rules adopted earlier this year, to alert motorists to hazardous road and driving conditions. Jim Schlichting, Deputy Chief of the Wireless Bureau, will be participating on a panel following this session, and will provide more information on the range of activities we are undertaking in this area. The Commission will once again need to reach out to all the critical parts of the community represented here today to turn the promise wireless E911 into lifesaving reality. And we are working diligently to do precisely that. For example, we are planning to sponsor a forum in the near future to examine the technical issues of wireless automatic location information. We expect to pursue other efforts in the very near term to seek input from the essential participants in wireless E911 to resolve these issues. With wireless E911 in place, calls can be routed to the right 9-1-1 center, which can then quickly dispatch the help that is needed, and only the help that is needed, to exactly the right place. That is the promise of wireless E911. But it will remain only a promise unless we succeed in making wireless E911 an integrated part of public safety programs. NHTSA is to be complemented for taking a leadership role in promoting such an integrated nationwide public safety system, with programs such as its emergency medical services agenda for the future and its trials of automatic crash notification systems. These and other initiatives can improve the safety of our highways, and indeed of our lives wherever we might be. We have made progress in that direction since our call to action with NHTSA two years ago, but far more remains to be done. By the time E911 Phase II is scheduled to be implemented in 2001, there will be over 100 million wireless phones in use in the United States. In just a few more years, it is likely that there will be more wireless than wireline phones. We can expect equally rapid growth in wireless 9-1-1 calls. This means that the importance of adapting emergency services to wireless E911 will continue to grow as well. We at the FCC are resolved to continue working with NHTSA and NENA to apply wireless technology to the improvement of public safety. In particular, we recently invited Dr. Martinez to participate in a Commission meeting next month dedicated to wireless issues, to help ensure that the vital role of wireless in emergency services and public safety is given the attention it deserves. To Dr. Martinez, NENA and to all of you here, representing some of the many organizations that must work together to realize this vision, we urge you to continue the vital work of making America a better and safer place. Thank you for the opportunity to address you this morning. ******** End of Remarks by Tom Sugrue ******** -- Dr. Arthur Ross 2325 East Orangewood Avenue Phoenix, AZ 85020-4730 Phone: 602-371-9708 Fax : 602-336-7074 ------------------------------ From: herb@herbstein.com (Herb Stein) Subject: Re: Horrible Data Connection Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 00:49:58 GMT Organization: newsread.com ISP News Reading Service (http://www.newsread.com) In article , Dave O'Shea wrote: > Heather Drury wrote in message news:telecom19. > 187.13@telecom-digest.org: >> We have just moved into a new house (new for us) and are doing battle >> with Southwestern Bell over our data connection. Basically, sometimes >> it works, sometimes it doesn't and SWBT insists there is no problem. Have you tried another dial-up number to be sure it isn't your provider? > I'm about 3100 feet from the SLC hut that puts us onto fiber for the > haul back to the CO. According to the local techs, Bubba and Elmer, > I'm lucky to be able to break dial tone at that distance. But, > heh-heh, I still pay full price for service - $50 a month per line for > local service only! > I finally broke down and got ISDN service - $172.00 per month. Ouch. I think mine is about $130 with the stuff you need on it and I'm in Manchester in St. Louis County. > I'll hazard a guess that you have underground wiring which is having > moisture problems -- and as the heat moves away from the ground, the > moisture moves back in. >> What can we do? We are investigating getting a DSL line but aren't >> certain we can get one in our area. This problem has been going on for >> over a month (since 5/27) and SWBT is giving us lip service but not >> taking steps (it appears) to resolve the underlying problem. Are we >> really dead in the water, so to speak? > Yes. Consider ISDN, etc. The official position of SWBell is that > anything above 2400bps should be considered an earth-shattering > miracle. (Needless to say, SBC is not high on my list of > retirement-portfolio stocks) ... try finding out about cable modem > service, etc. I believe SWBT offers ADSL, but I'm told that it's about the same as ISDN. Better bandwidth though. >> I will say we have had technician after technician out (who usually >> just complain about non-union techs and how terrible the SWBT >> infrastructure is). We have also had many billing errors (three so far >> on our first bill). All in all, I really can't wait for some other >> carriers to enter our area so we can dump SWBT forever, but in the >> meantime we need a decent data connection. > I finally ended up ordering enough phone lines that SWBell was forced > to lay new cable. Sure enough, that suddenly cleared up the problem. I > can now get an astonishing 26.6kb on a modem!!!!!!! Don't hesitate to call be anytime to hear what I've done. Hint: 2400 baud modems and FAX are all they guarantee, if that. They take IDSN and ADSL VERY seriously. Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 215-3584 ------------------------------ From: steve@sellcom.com (Steve Winter) Subject: Re: Cordless Phones: 900Mhz vs. 43-49Mhz Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:49:14 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: steve@sellcom.com michael@ablecomm.com spake thusly and wrote: > In article , >> Unless I am mistaken they have a rather short record time capacity 16 >> minutes, I believe, which I consider inadequate. That is the reason >> we have not really looked into them. Also I believe that particular >> phone is a 900mhz/2.4Ghz "hybrid". > I don't know the specifics of _your_ situation, but 16 minutes is > adequate for most users. The typical message today is less than 15 > seconds, allowing a good number of incoming messages in addition to the > outgoing message. Well, there are those times when one goes out of town or whatever and the system may well be really needed at such a time. I had always felt that record time was the drawback to the digitals as compared to the little 30 minute cassette tape ones. Now that digital (at least the Siemens anyway) has hit 26 minutes, it means (to me) that digital has caught up with tape. Regards, Steve http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM New Brick Wall "non-MOV" surge protection ------------------------------ From: larb0@aol.com (LARB0) Date: 06 Jul 1999 02:02:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Rotary Dial Telephone Five hour backup won't do alot of good when the power is out for one or two days. With central office power, the phone works fine - especially since COs have backup generators. During winter ice storms, we've lost power frequently - once over two days. This is my main issue regarding wireless and IP telephony - the loss of "lifeline" service. ------------------------------ From: acarr@aol.comnojunk (A. Carr) Date: 06 Jul 1999 04:55:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Qwest: Raising My Intrastate Rates and Imposing Fees The Tel-Save long distance service offered to AOL members is the best I've found. 9 cents per minute day or night on state to state (7 cents per minute intrastate in Maryland). No minimums and no monthly fees. Calling card calls are at the same per minute rate with a 30 cent surcharge. Of course you have to subscribe to AOL to get the service. If you leave AOL, you can keep it, but I think the rate goes up to 10c per minute. ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #194 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Jul 6 19:19:18 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA10536; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:19:18 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907062319.TAA10536@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #195 TELECOM Digest Tue, 6 Jul 99 19:19:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 195 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson A Strange Bit of Candor From AT&T (Wayne Lorentz) Faulty Vending Machines Block Emergency Calls in Australia (Monty Solomon) Re: Trouble Calling From NPA 802 (Vermont) (Linc Madison) Re: Spam Blocking (Barry Margolin) Re: Spam Blocking (usbcpdx@teleport.com) Re: Rationale For Class Action Suits (was Re: Death of GSM) (Steve Jarboe) Re: Help! 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: waynelorentz@/THOUSHALTNOTSPAM/worldnet.att.net (Wayne Lorentz) Subject: A Strange Bit of Candor From AT&T Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:30:34 GMT Organization: Fairlight Genetics - "Making Perfect People Every Day." I heard something odd today from an AT&T representative. Allow me to set this up: In my experience, Southwestern Bell defies the laws of physics by both sucking and blowing. They are aware that there is an ongoing problem with my phone service for which I have placed several repair requests and talked to a number of technicians, some of whom I have spoken to on the phone and some who have come to my home. Finally, it was explained to me that, yes, I do have problems with static on my line, and yes, dropped calls are an occasional nuisance, and yes, it's hard for my modem to connect faster than 14.4, but no, there's nothing they can do about it because even though I live in the downtown of the fourth largest city in America, and the largest city in their territory, the phone lines in my neighborhood are old and won't be upgraded anytime soon. The only viable option presented to me from SWB to get consistently clear voice phone calls (let alone data) is to go ISDN because then I get all new wire or fiber or whatever. To me, this is unacceptable since I'm not a power web surfer, just someone who wants to call his mother every now and again, and maybe order a pizza; everything else I can do from my mobile phone. So I started shopping around. Lo and behold I find out that AT&T is offering local service in parts of Texas. -Real- local service, not just re-billing local toll calls, but the whole ball of wax, lines and all. So I ring up an AT&T rep who sends me to someone else who sends me to someone else who is involved with this Texas venture. Here's the interesting part: She tells me that AT&T is "unhappy" with the way their local service is going in Texas and isn't taking any new customers until they work the bugs out of the system. She's not specific about what problems they're having, but assures me that it will be offered again around mid- to late-July and that I should try back. I'd like to thank AT&T for their honesty. If I could get that kind of service from Southwestern Bell maybe I wouldn't be looking elsewhere. Does anyone have AT&T's local service in Texas or have any idea what the problem is? If you're interested in the AT&T Texas thingy, the service rep I talked to gave me the basics on the old system, but couldn't guarantee it would be the same when the new system debuts. It's a minimum of $24.25 a month (about $5.00 more than SWB), and costs $39.50 to switch over. Additional services are...additional, but you can get 11 of the most popular services in a discounted bundle. I only care about call forwarding busy/no answer (something else SWB screwed up this month) so I didn't press further. Want to try your luck? The number is 800/362-9689. If you press option 1 for new service, you get a recording saying, "Than you for calling AT&T. You have reached a number that is not currently in service." *click*. Wayne V.H. Lorentz Television Producer "Runs with scissors." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 01:37:59 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Faulty Vending Machines Block Emergency Calls in Australia http://www.techserver.com/noframes/story/0,2294,66895-105845-751208-0,00.html Faulty vending machines block emergency calls in Australia Copyright 1999 Nando Media Copyright 1999 Associated Press SYDNEY, Australia (July 3, 1999 11:36 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - A bizarre computer glitch has left soft drink machines calling for help - literally. The faulty machines may have placed hundreds of phone calls to police, ambulance and fire service emergency phone lines, blocking true emergency calls, The Daily Telegraph reported today. Thousands of the machines around Sydney are programmed to automatically call a number at a distribution company when they are near empty. However, some of the machines dialed a default 000 number, the emergency number, instead of the distribution company number, Adam Redman, spokesman for the National telecommunications company Telstra Corp., was quoted as saying. Telstra began investigating to find how many of the about one million hoax or mistake calls a year received by the emergency number were made by the machines, the newspaper said. Penny Farrer, a spokeswoman for the emergency service, said the problem of vending machines dialing 000 was getting worse and spreading to other electronic devices. Ian Brown, a spokesman for Coca-Cola Co., said the problem had occurred in the past, but had been rectified. Copyright 1999 Nando Media ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 20:05:37 -0700 From: LincMad001@telecom-digest.zzn.com (Linc Madison) Subject: Re: Trouble Calling From NPA 802 (Verm Organization: LincMad Consulting In article , Peter T wrote: > The intercept messages vary, but quite often, we get a switch message > that says "your call did not go through, please try later. 052T" > We have recently experienced this message while trying to call other > parts of the country, namely Montgomery AL (NPA 334) and occasionally > El Paso TX (NPA 915). > Can someone please tell me what the "052T" identifier on the switch > message indicates? I assume our calls are crapping out before even > reaching the intended remote NPA. The "052T" is a network switch identifier, probably one of the AT&T toll switches. Do you get the same number when you call El Paso as when you call New York or Montgomery? If so, then there may be a problem with the AT&T switch on your end. If the numbers are different for different locations, then there is probably trouble on the far end. There are people around here with handy lists of the various switch identifiers in the AT&T network, so they may be able to give you more information. I had quite a lot of difficulty recently trying to reach a couple of people here locally on the Cellular One network. The call would never ring, just dead air, but on at least one occasion it did supervise (bill) even though it never even rang. There was no recorded message, no ringing, no anything at all. On some occasions I hung up and redialed and got right through; on other occasions the problem persisted for as long as I was willing/able to stand at the payphone. ** Do not send me unsolicited commercial e-mail spam of any kind ** Linc Madison * San Francisco, California * Telecom@LincMad-com URL:< http://www.lincmad.com > * North American Area Codes & Splits >> NOTE: replies sent to will be read sooner! ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Spam Blocking Organization: GTE Internetworking, Cambridge, MA Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:39:41 GMT In article , Danny Burstein wrote: > ORBS is different: it's based on reports (not completely verified - > see below) that a specific mail server is allowing outsiders > (i.e. spammers) to access it to send out their mailte effectively . Another problem with ORBS is that they add indirect relays to their list. We operate a selective mail relay that we give our customers access to on demand. If their server is open and forwards the outgoing mail through our server, both servers get put on the blacklist. This has happened to us several times. This means that one of our customers could easily cause a denial of service for many other customers, simply by removing their own spam blocks and reporting themselves as a mail relay (I don't think any of our customers have actually done this intentionally). Luckily, not too many sites subscribe to ORBS, so the extent of the denial is somewhat limited. Customers often don't even notice it until a couple of weeks after we get put in. Barry Margolin, barmar@bbnplanet.com GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. ------------------------------ From: someone@teleport.com Subject: Re: Spam Blocking Organization: As server security goes, it's as if NT wears a 'Kick me' sign. Reply-To: usbcpdx.teleport.com@teleport.com ( at ) ( dot ) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 19:28:53 GMT Do you have a URL for RRSS? http://www.radparker.org and http://relays.radparker.org do not work. On 5 Jul 1999 00:12:05 -0400, johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) wrote: > I use RRSS at relays.radparker.org, which is like ORBS but only lists > open relays that have sent at least one spam. It's quite effective, > since there are spam trap addreses that nominate open relays as soon > as they send their first spam. ------------------------------ From: Steve Jarboe Subject: Re: Rationale For Class Action Suits (was Re: Death of GSM) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:40:30 -0700 Organization: Verio Your state attorney general may be a good start. And sometimes the bad publicity from the press can help. Maybe the local paper or television station would be interested in spot checking some customers and publicizing. I've seen cases where after broadcasting one or two instances of fraud that many more people check and call in with more. Danny Burstein wrote in message news:telecom19.192.2@telecom-digest.org... > So I sent off a letter to the NYS PSC, the FCC, and the FTC (Federal > Trade Commission) pointing out the likelihood that this was being done > in a misguided attempt to increase their revenues. (Which is the > polite way of saying that [big telco] was sending out a thousand > improper bills, hoping that ten percent or so would be paid). > Well ... I've just received responses from each of these agencies > telling me that 'we don't handle this problem.' (Rest assured I'm > working on that little diversion). ------------------------------ From: Darryl Smith Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:03:16 +1000 Subject: Re: Help! I Paid Good Money For These I believe that the system being refered to is the PHS - Personal Handi-Phone System. It is basically a micro-cellular system operating somewhere above 800 MHz. Cell Size is approximately 200m maximum, and it is integrated so the phone can operate with home base stations -- that is the mobile will become a cordless when you are near home. Because of the cell size, any company wanting to implement this in a city of less than extremely high population densities would loose a lot of money. I worked out that in Sydney, such a system would loose US$10 Billion in the first 10 years, if they picked up at least 30% of the mobile market!!! PHS also is able to be made small enough to fit into a watch ... battery life is long, with 40 gram phones available from memory. Also from memory the base stations are *interesting*. The base stations are simply plugged into an ISDN phone line, with the 2B+D of ISDN offering 8 channels. The Air Interface I believe is ISDN too, with only a rate converter required. Darryl Smith VK2TDS Sydney, Australia ------------------------------ From: Robert Berntsen Subject: Re: Help! I Paid Good Money For These Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:29:23 +0200 Rowena C. Macaraig wrote in message ... > I am from the Philippines. A Japanese who came to my country > sold me some Japan made cell phones (DoCoMo & Kyocera). When I brought > the units to a mobile sevice provider, I was told that Japan uses a > different system which is not being used in my country. Our technicians > are not familiar with the Japanese system and the frequency they are > using. Is there a way to convert Japanese standard cellphones to > function in my country? You did not tell what system these phones belong to, and in what system you want to use them. Generally, the answer is no, it will not be possible in any economic way to convert to another system. > We are able to use all US and European cellphones. I do not think this statement is completely true. > I paid good, hard earned money for those phones. I was hoping to > go into business and sell them here in my country. Can you help me? If > you cannot, perhaps you can refer me to someone who can. > Thank you very much. Please email me. > Weng My advice will be to sell them somewhere where this type of phones are in use, or perhaps to bring them back and change them into somewhat else. Regards, R. ------------------------------ From: someone@teleport.com Subject: Re: Search Engine For "thedirectory" Prefix List Requested Organization: As server security goes, it's as if NT wears a 'Kick me' sign. Reply-To: usbcpdx.teleport.com@teleport.com ( at ) ( dot ) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:50:13 GMT Right now, www.thedirectory.org has locked up their search engine ... so use http://www.lincmad.com/index.html instead until problems are resolved. On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:01:38 EDT, David Perrussel wrote: > As some of you who are regulars to the TELCOM DIGEST or the > comp.dcom.telecom newsgroup may already know, "thedirectory" > (www.thedirectory.org), the largest listing of Internet Providers and > web hosting companies, also runs a section on their website where > people can find ratecenter names for a particular area code and prefix > (NPA-NXX) combination. ------------------------------ From: ricklg@JAGUNET.COM (Rick Goddard) Subject: Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:21:06 GMT Organization: Of the Home The main issue concerning the explosion potential is an ignition source near an explosive atmosphere. Low power RF probably isn't a problem, but smoking or sparks near combustible fumes can cause an explosion. Sparks can come from a number of sources. I've spent a number of years developing DOD electronic equipment to meet MIL-STD-810. One interesting test is the explosive atmosphere test. This test looks for sparks generated by switches, relays, etc. The test is performed by placing the equipment in a chamber, adding a gasoline/air mixture, then operating the unit. Failures can be spectacular! I suspect the ban may be due to the likelihood of operating a phone (pushing switches) while refueling. One catch to this theory is that if the voltage is low enough, there is no spark. Rick WA3VTF Laurel, MD ------------------------------ From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage Date: 6 Jul 1999 22:51:04 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Alan Boritz wrote: > In article , Arthur Ross > wrote: >> The concept of "power surge" appeared on earth shortly after the first >> Star Trek episode, and continues to exist primarily within the minds >> of all those Trekkies. > No, Arthur, "surges" have been alive and well for many years before we > had equipment available to measure them. It's a generic enough term > to describe stuff like transients that may or may not have substantial > power behind them. What I would like to know is what damage can be caused by under-voltage. I am on the East Coast, and the weather can only be described as "rather hot". Needless to say, there has been constant transient power problems today. I have not been watching with a sensitive instrument, but the lights get noticably dimmer. Right now, I have all the lights off in my office, so I don't know how they are behaving. However, I can hear UPSs go beep beep at regular intervals. I also have an elderly Westinghouse fan, the speed of which is voltage dependent. It is currently on high, and spining about the speed it does on low. I also notice that about once a minute it speeds up past its normal rates. David Scheidt dscheidt@enteract.com Folklore has a long memory, and not much concern for the facts. --John West ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 03:12:08 -0700 From: Babu Mengelepouti Reply-To: dialtone@vcn.bc.ca Organization: US Secret Service Subject: Last Laugh! His Wife is a Computer Hacker Return-Path: Delivered-To: dialtone@softhome.net Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 00:53:03 -0700 From: phreaky Angry wife a real computer hacker. GRAFTON, Ohio -- A woman tired of her husband's online chatting became a computer hacker. Police said Kelli Michetti grew so upset she hacked the computer terminal with a meat cleaver. Michetti, 29, attacked it as her husband fended her off early Sunday, deputies said. She said her husband had been online until 4 a.m. the last several days talking to women. Michetti pleaded no contest to domestic violence and resisting-arrest charges. She was fined $200. Phreak Moi hackerelite@deathsdoor.com C921 07AA 2D21 C69E 1613 990D B559 53CB 52F8 92FB Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Wow! The poor guy ... I hope he was not injured in the hacker attack on his computer. He may have gotten off sort of lucky; that battle axe he is married to might have decided to to use the ax on him instead! The female of the species can be very vicious sometimes. To make matters worse, as things so often go on the net, he probably was not talking to a woman at all; he just thought he was ... you know how that goes on AOL (which is probably where he was) ... where user honesty and integrity in interactions with other users is an important part of the Terms of Service. The poor guy ... I wonder if there was much damage to his computer, and if he has been able to get back on line yet ... you know his online 'girl friend' must be wondering why he logged off so suddenly without notice when they had not yet finished taking care of his problem ... So let this be a lesson: if you are on one of those 4 AM Sunday morning chats on AOL and the connection suddenly drops on the other end, it may not be the fault of the ISP or AOL at all; maybe a previously unmentioned husand/wife/parent/significant other walked in the room and is causing a scene, to put it charitably ... a family in need of counseling at the very least, I would say. The poor guy ... I wonder if his wife caught him, ummm, you know ... PAT ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #195 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jul 7 18:55:11 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA02490; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907072255.SAA02490@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #196 TELECOM Digest Wed, 7 Jul 99 18:55:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 196 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Cell Phone Companies Go by Own Rules (Mike Pollock) GTE Cellular Tries to Hold Dead Man to Contract (Anthony Argyriou) Weird Wrong Number Calls (Bill Levant) Asian Telecoms Search (Huck Siang Lim) Request for Local Calling Area Information (Shawn Chandler) Private Eyes (Monty Solomon) Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? (Justin) Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? 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By BRUCE MEYERSON AP Business Writer NEW YORK (AP) - Whether it's local or long distance, home phone or pay phone, it's understood: A call starts with ``hello.'' If there's no answer, there's no charge. With mobile phones, the situation can be quite different. Most mobile phone companies charge from the moment the caller hits the ``send'' button. One industry leader, Sprint PCS, charges for calls even if there's no answer. Since companies generally charge for a full minute even when less than a minute is used, those few seconds when the phone is ringing could inflate a monthly bill quite a bit. This is especially true if the caller is paying extra fees for peak-hour usage, long-distance or calls made far away from home that trigger ``roaming'' charges of 60 cents or more a minute. The only nod to conventional telephone wisdom is that most companies don't charge if there's a busy signal. These billing policies are spelled out in the contracts signed by today's 76 million cell phone users - but even some experts and careful shoppers were surprised to hear of them. ``I had no idea, and I would consider myself as astute on my telephone charges as anybody,'' said Rex G. Mitchell, an telecommunications industry analyst with Banc of America Securities in San Francisco and a former executive with the regional phone company U S West. ``Occasionally, when I'm out of town, I will make a call and look at the second hand on my watch to keep it under a minute because I'm paying long-distance or roaming charges,'' said Mitchell. ``But I've been timing it from `hello' instead of from `send.' I won't make that mistake now.'' The issue of first-minute billing policies caught the public eye in recent weeks after Cellular One tried to reduce the free ``ringing time'' it gives its New England customers to 15 seconds from 30. The carrier was bombarded by customer complaints, and quickly scrapped the change. Many of the million or more people signing up for wireless service each month focus less on when the call begins and more on how many minutes are included in their monthly calling plan or the fees for long-distance and peak-hour calls. Adam Litwinski, 26, an independent film maker from New York, disconnected his home phone and uses his wireless for all calls, but he had no idea he could be charged for unanswered calls. ``I never really paid much attention to it, honestly. I just assumed,'' said Litwinski. ``It kind of stinks.'' The industry's rationale in treating mobile phones differently from regular phones is that every wireless call uses the airwaves regardless of whether the call is successful. Of course, regular calls also use resources such as space on a fiber-optic cable. But the companies argue that they have far greater capacity in their cables than their wireless channels, and that the demands of carrying a regular phone signal are negligible compared with a wireless signal. ``You're occupying a channel. So when you make a connection, you get charged from the inception of when you seize that channel,'' explained Jeff Battcher, a BellSouth spokesman. ``For the most part, it's always been that way.'' Sprint PCS is only major company that charges from ``send-to-end'' regardless of whether there's an answer. Even among companies that only charge when a call goes through, including AirTouch, Bell Atlantic Mobile, BellSouth Mobility and Nextel Communications, the meter starts running from ``send,'' not from ``hello.'' Industry leader AT&T Wireless also starts the clock from ``send,'' but doesn't charge for incomplete calls made from within a customer's home region. Naturally, since many calling plans come with hundreds of minutes to burn each month, a lot of mobile phone users rarely reach their limit and don't need to pay additional charges for calls that don't go through. Litwinski, for example, pays $100 a month for a Sprint PCS plan with 1,000 minutes of air time so he won't have to worry about how long he talks or how many calls he makes. ``I never go over,'' he said. But for those who frequently exceed their monthly allowance or sign up for cheaper plans with smaller time allotments, those first-minute charges can be substantial since the average user racks up 100 minutes a month. Sheila Adkins, spokeswoman for the Council of Better Business Bureaus and a Cellular One customer, was also surprised to hear about ``send-to-end'' charges. ``They don't tell you these things. I read my bill. I read all the flyers. It goes to show, you really have to read your contract.'' Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. ------------------------------ From: anthony@alphageo.com (Anthony Argyriou) Subject: GTE Cellular Tries to Hold Dead Man to Contract Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 01:46:47 GMT Organization: Alpha Geotechnical Reply-To: anthony@alphageo.com Heard this on TV tonight (Channel 7 - KGO, San Francisco): A man had a cell-phone from GTE. He dies. His sister tries to cancel the contract. She is told by customer service rep _and_ cs manager that she must pay the $108 early termination fee. She tells them she will call consumer reporter at TV station, they say "go right ahead". She calls (channel 7's) consumer reporter, and they call GTE. Suddenly everything is different. She even gets a letter from the president of the company apologizing, and saying that company policy is to allow transferring the service to a survivor, or termination of the service without penalty. She's still not satisfied, and will tell people to not use GTE if asked. Comment: if this happened to me, I'd ask why the manager responsible is still employed, and demand that he be fired. Anthony Argyriou [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I believe that under the law, when some person dies, their debts or contractual obligations are dismissed at the same time. I am not certain if the executor of a deceased person's 'estate' -- if one is appointed -- is under any obligation to pay any debts outstanding. In other words, I owe you one hundred dollars; I die before the debt has been paid; you are out of luck since there is no longer any debt due. If surviving persons benefit from the estate of the deceased, maybe that is different. i.e. I die, but you continue to live in a house which was mortgaged in my name alone, or continue to use an automobile that I was paying for at the time of my death. I think creditors are entitled to the return of any merchandise which was unpaid for, especially if the contract states that they retain full ownership until it is paid completely paid for. If an attorney would like to comment, I'd appreciate an opportunity to print his/her remarks on this. I suppose the cellular phone company could have legally requested that the telephone they provided as an inducement to receive a signed contract be returned to them, since the contract was not going to be honored for its full term. They would have been within their rights to demand some proof of death; i.e. the usual certificate, to justify their write-off of any balance due for service rendered to date or any remaining obligation under the contract. Far, far, far too many people these days die with little more than their personal possessions, so limited in value that probate is not even feasable; an 'estate' is essentially non-existent. Each year in Chicago, about 300-400 persons die who fall into the 'bag lady' or homeless person category. Some have identification which shows their name and perhaps a relative or friend to be notified; the majority do not have that much. Someone discovers them, the police are called, the police require an EMT or other medical person to come to the scene to pronounce, then the police put the remains in the back of the wagon and drive off with the person. A joke goes like this: why do wagon men (police officers who drive the paddy wagon around all day) always smoke cigars? The answer is the cigar smoke neutralizes the stench from the back part of the wagon. Off they go to the center for forensic medicine -- what in other times we called the county morgue -- where they are probed and examined in the hopes of finding some way to identify them. If they are identified, fine, if not that's okay also. An attorney is appointed to represent them and if no one has claimed the remains within 30-45 days off they go to Homewood, Illinois at Homewood Memorial Gardens where a section of the cemetery has been set aside for them in a mass grave with all the cheap little caskets lined up in a row, a dozen or so at a time. The attorney goes out to observe the process, along with a rabbi, a priest and some other minister or church person. Then once a year, usually in the summer, the 300-400 from the year before are memorialized in a ceremony at the Chicago Temple Building conducted by the same three or four people who attended their burial. The public is invited. The three or four people each make some very generic remarks suitable for the occasion (I mean, how do you conduct a funeral or memorial service for a person you know little or nothing about?) and a reading of the names or identifying characteristics begins. The ones who's names are known are read first, then the ones whose names are not known are memorialized stating what is known about them; i.e. 'an unidentified black female, age apparently in early twenties, found at (address)'; 'an unidentified white male, age appar- ently late sixties, with a tatoo on his right arm, found at (address)'; and they just continue their recitation like this for 150-200 unknown people each year; the ones without names. The ones that are really difficult to listen to are the ones that go like this: 'unidentified black male infant, age less than one day old, found in trash dumpster at (address)'; and there will always be five or six like that. And the reading of the names or descriptions of the unidentified persons concludes with the statement that 'although they are unknown to us and unclaimed by any person, they are known by God who now claims each of them and will care for them.' The memorial service ends and everyone goes home in sort of a blue funk, feeling bummed out and wondering how things have gotten quite to the point they are in our society that this sort of event has to go on every year. They are thinking of doing it twice a year so that the reading of names will not take as long. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:47:05 EDT Subject: Weird Wrong Number Calls We've been having a weird problem around here lately (well, actually more than one, but this one's telecom-related ;) ) and I'm wondering if (a) anyone else is having this one, and/or (b) anyone has any idea what's up... Periodically, during business hours, but not always at the same time of day, a woman calls our (listed) number. No matter whether I answer, or my wife answers, or the kids answer, it's always the same thing. She says "Sorry, wrong number" -- WITHOUT ASKING FOR ANYONE IN PARTICULAR -- and then hangs up. Her calling number is "unavailable", since *69 returns "this call cannot be returned because it originated from outside the area ..." We don't have Caller ID (and don't want to invest in it for this problem anyway). Any ideas on why this is happening, who she might be, or how we can stop it short of either changing our number or siccing the Annoyance Call Bureau (do they still have those) on her ? And no, we aren't deadbeats, so she shouldn't be a bill collector or anything like that. Bill ------------------------------ Reply-To: huck siang LIM From: huck siang LIM Subject: Asian Telecoms Search Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:44:11 +0800 Hello, I would to have listings of all telecommunications Operating companies in Asia countries including Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, China and India. Also, can you please list out the regulatory body in these respective countries? I'm doing a research on different interconnect regulations in those countries. Many thanks, h.s. LIM ------------------------------ From: Shawn Chandler Subject: Request For Local Calling Area Information Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:51:57 -0400 This message is an update to one appearing in TELECOM Digest back around February 1997: I'd appreciate it if everyone could help me out with a project I've been working on. After searching the Internet and countless phone calls to different phone companies, i was unable to get a database or book containing tables for determining whether a call from phone # xxx-xxxx was local to phone # yyy-yyyy. In the front of some phone books there are lists of local calling areas, ie if you live in area code 519 exchange 683, you can call local to area code 519 exchanges 351,352,354,355,359,380,436,627,692. What I am currently doing is compiling all the information I have into a database and program that can do local number look ups. What I'd really appreciate, is if everyone could look in their phone books and jot down the local calling areas for all the exchanges in their area. (If it's not in the phone book, just write down the ones you know of for sure from memory). I'd like to get the data for all of North America if possible. If you can, email the information to me in the following format: FromAreaCode,FromExchange,ToAreaCode,ToExchange so since 519-683 can call 519-627 locally, you would enter it as 519,683,519,627 if the call works locally in reverse too, enter it also as 519,627,519,683 (Entering it both ways is important because some areas are local one way, and long distance in the reverse). Thanks for everyones time and effort beforehand. I'll upload the prototype to the TELECOM Digest Archives when it is ready. Here is a web site that lists the local calling areas by location names (town, city) but unfortunately it does not have a cross reference by areacode/exchanges. http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/Information/NEST/technol/communic/lca/ UPDATE: A protoype program was completed not long after this message was posted but only token responses came in. Recently a Digest reader inquired as to whether the program was complete (I'd actually forgotten about it :) Now, I thought I'd re-issue the call for Canadian/United States local calling area information in the above (or easily adapted) format. The program has many uses such as in fax broadcast programs, auto dialer programs, mobile computer users, etc. How about some data? :) Shawn Chandler schandler@ciaccess.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Good luck with the project Shawn, and I am looking forward to having it in the Archives. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 01:42:37 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Private Eyes With so many cameras around, we're probably all in pictures 07/06/99 By Doug Bedell / The Dallas Morning News Webcams weren't even a dream in 1961 when media wise man Marshall McLuhan coined the term "narcissus narcosis," a syndrome in which man finds himself unaware of new technologies that invade every aspect of his life. With today's cheap, tiny video cameras and the connectivity of the Internet, it is possible that someone - or everyone - may be watching at moments you consider private. http://www.dallasnews.com/technology/0706tech1webcams.htm ------------------------------ From: raptor@wwa.com (Justin) Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Reply-To: raptor@wwa.com Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:46:25 GMT Organization: Verio Charles Gimon went on and on about: > Friend or acquaintance travels to California. Stays at a hotel, a > friend's house, wherever. Tries to call me, can't get through. > What happened? Turns out, I block all calls that don't transmit caller > ID info. (Works great at weeding out telemarketers.) > The place that they're calling from is set not to transmit caller ID > info. > This happens to me constantly on calls from California, and now from > Washington state. Is it just me and bad luck, or are there lots of > West Coast people who still aren't transmitting the caller ID burp? My sister lives in California. Apparently CID is blocked by default, and you have to enable it, if you want it to appear, before you make the call -- opposite of most areas where you have to block it or it's sent by default. Justin In replies delete X from address Justin === raptorX@wwa.com Chicago http://www.wwa.com/~laser26/ ------------------------------ From: joe@fatbug.com Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:33:13 GMT Organization: http://www.fatbug.com I have the same problem, with most of my family residing in California. I've had to reprogram all their speed dials to me with a *82 in front of it. As was related to me, when CID became available in California, PacBell had an insert in their bill that that gave everyone the option of blocking CID info from being passed. The way that the insert read,"blocking" the info was a way to insure privacy. With an option of "Do you want privacy or don't you" it's pretty easy to figure out why *most* of California does not pass CID. -Joe FREE Telephone equipment classifieds ads at: http://www.fatbug.com ***Try our KEYWORD NOTIFY option to receive ads that match your search criteria ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 1999 22:04:15 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > This happens to me constantly on calls from California, and now from > Washington state. Is it just me and bad luck, or are there lots of > West Coast people who still aren't transmitting the caller ID burp? I suspect it's cheap long distance service with less than perfect network interfaces. In any event, it's entirely legitimate not to transmit CLID if one's network isn't up to it, so it's up to you to decide whether you want their calls or not. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: anthony@alphageo.com (Anthony Argyriou) Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:59:45 GMT Organization: Alpha Geotechnical Reply-To: anthony@alphageo.com Charles Gimon wrote: > Is it just me and bad luck, or are there lots of > West Coast people who still aren't transmitting the caller ID burp? Approximately 50% of PacBell customers have opted for complete caller-ID "blocking" (non-transmittal). PacBell has even taken to advertising to get people to use the (not free?) selective caller-id unblocking. I'd be willing to bet that most of the unblocked customers are businesses. No Guns - No Freedom Know Guns - Know Freedom Anthony Argyriou ------------------------------ From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 03:59:55 PST Organization: Shadownet In California, at least, lines *default* to blocking Caller ID. So the *only* time a call from CA will get thru to you is if the owner has *explicitly* told the phone company to unblock it. So they'll need to dial *82 to *unblock* the CID. *82, wait for dialtone, dial number. And this is a *per call* unblocking. So they'll have to repeat it every time. I assume you are "filtering" calls using a modem with CID, or a computer card that can read the CID info. You might want to upgrade to something that can do voicemail, or else switch the the phone company's "block calls with blocked CID" service. That way, at least your callers will get a message *telling* them that they aren't going to get thru without unblocking their CID. Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort ------------------------------ From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Date: 7 Jul 1999 15:38:37 GMT Unfortunately, IMHO, California legislated that users could disable transmission of caller ID information. On a per-line basis, subscribers designate whether transmission is disabled by default. The default behavior can be overridden with a *XX prefix prior to dialing. My caller ID transmission is turned on by default and I press *67 to disable before dialing. I've read statistics of somewhere near 40% or more have caller ID transmission disabled by default. Caller ID is a privacy issue that generates heated discussions from both sides. My feeling is that it should not be possible to block under ANY circumstance. If you don't want someone to know who's calling, don't call them. Some argue that they don't want businesses to get their home number. Most businesses won't bother and those that will always get it with 800 ANI. Just as I can look through a window at who's knocking at my door, I would like to know who's calling before answering a telephone. The most common argument against mandatory transmission is the battered spouse. If a spouse has been so battered, why is she/he calling her/his beloved? If so worried about tracking, have a friend relay a message or call from a pay phone. -----------------------------(c) 1999 Matthew Black, all rights reserved-- matthew black | Opinions expressed herein belong to me and network & systems specialist | may not reflect those of my employer california state university | network services SSA-180E | e-mail: black at csulb dot edu 1250 bellflower boulevard | PGP fingerprint: 6D 14 36 ED 5F 34 C4 B3 long beach, ca 90840 | E9 1E F3 CB E7 65 EE BC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:58:57 -0700 From: LincMad001@telecom-digest.zzn.com (Linc Madison) Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Organization: LincMad Consulting There are two separate issues involved. ANONYMOUS CALLS (Caller ID info blocked) Approximately 60% of all residential phones in California have unlisted numbers. An estimated 80% of all residential phones in California are set to block transmission of Caller ID by default. This option can be overridden on a per-call basis by dialing *82. "OUT OF AREA" CALLS (No Caller ID info sent at all) This generally happens when someone is calling from behind a PBX that has been "accidentally" configured not to send any Caller ID data at all. Curiously, most telemarketers seem not to be in any great hurry to identify themselves. ** Do not send me unsolicited commercial e-mail spam of any kind ** Linc Madison * San Francisco, California * Telecom@LincMad-com URL:< http://www.lincmad.com > * North American Area Codes & Splits >> NOTE: replies sent to will be read sooner! ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #196 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jul 7 21:18:05 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA08178; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907080118.VAA08178@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #197 TELECOM Digest Wed, 7 Jul 99 21:18:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 197 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Stentor Changes and History (J.F. Mezei) FCC Extra Line Charge (John S. Maddaus) Re: Spam Blocking (Al Iverson) Re: Spam Blocking (John R. Levine) Re: Spam Blocking (Terry Kennedy) Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations (John McHarry) Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations (Joseph T. Adams) Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption (John S. Maddaus) Re: Help! I Paid Good Money For These (John R. Levine) Re: Help! I Paid Good Money For These (Washi Desu) Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage (Leonard Erickson) Re: Rotary Dial Telephone (Tony Pelliccio) Re: Cellular 911 Position Location Issues (Robert A. Rosenberg) Re: Do Not Disturb (Robert A. Rosenberg) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J.F. Mezei Subject: Stentor Changes and History Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 03:06:47 -0400 Found this interesting news release: Bell Canada and TELUS Announce New Model for National Network Management OTTAWA, July 6 /CNW/ - Bell Canada and TELUS today announced that they have reached agreement on the creation of a new model for managing national network operations currently performed by Stentor Canadian Network Management (SCNM). Starting this fall, Bell Canada will provide national operational support services to TELUS and to Bell's partners, Aliant Inc. (Island Tel, MTT, Newtel and NBTel), SaskTel and MTS. This move will be transparent to customers. Stentor Canadian Network Management, the central organization created in 1992 to perform these functions, will be wound down by the end of this year. Many of SCNM's people and functions will be transferred to Bell Canada and the other SCNM members. In December, Bell Canada served one-year notice of termination of the Stentor Connecting Agreement and SCNM Governing Agreement. The parties then evaluated how best to carry out these functions for the future. They have come to the conclusion that the new environment calls for a different model. ``This new model will preserve the seamlessness of our shared national network, and provide our companies with a cost-effective approach to managing the changing networks,'' said David Southwell, Chief Technology Officer of Bell Canada. ``Our goal throughout the transition will be to ensure that these changes will be completely transparent to our customers,'' said Ian Mansfield, TELUS Executive Vice President and President, Wireline. ``Customers will continue to benefit from a national telecommunications network providing unsurpassed reach, service and reliability.'' Under the agreement, TELUS, Bell Canada and its partners will continue to work together to honour all contractual obligations to customers and to meet customer demand. Bell Canada will carry out national network operations support functions by establishing a series of commercial service agreements with TELUS and with Bell Canada's partners. Many of the operations functions will continue to be carried out by the same people, in the same locations, using the same assets as today. Backgrounder Stentor Canadian Network Management (SCNM) has provided network operations and support services to its member companies since its formation in 1992. SCNM also represents its members on common issues at industry forums such as the CRTC Interconnection Steering Committee, the Canadian Carrier Services Forum and the Local Number Portability Consortium. The member companies are: Island Tel, MTT, NBTel and NewTel Communications (now Aliant Inc.); Bell Canada; MTS; SaskTel and Telus. Associate members are Quebec Telephone, NorthwesTel and Telesat. Summary of functions: - Network provisioning - Billing operations and systems support for designated national services - Fraud detection and control - Network management and service assurance for long distance voice services - Network management and service assurance for national data services - Year 2000 national project management - Inter-carrier management - Management of customer-specific agreements - Revenue settlement Milestones: 1932: SCNM predecessor, Trans-Canada Telephone System (TCTS) forms and completes the construction of Canada's first cross-country network 1958: TCTS launches new trans-Canada microwave network 1973: TCTS launches Dataroute(TM) service - world's first public nation-wide digital transmission network 1976: TCTS launches Datapac(TM) service - world's first commercial packet-switched digital transmission network 1979: TCTS's toll network becomes fully digital 1983: TCTS changes its name to Telecom Canada 1990: Telecom Canada members complete continental portion of Canada's first coast-to-coast fibre optic network - 7,000 km. system is longest terrestrial fibre optic transmission system in the world 1992: Telecom Canada becomes Stentor Canadian Network Management, as part of the creation of the Stentor Alliance 1993: HDR2, a high-density hybrid route of fibre optic cable and high-capacity digital microwave radio, is completed, becoming the longest SONET-compatible route in the world 1997: Stentor completes Canada's first coast-to-coast ATM network ------------------------------ From: jmaddaus@NO_SPAM.usa.net (John S. Maddaus) Subject: FCC Extra Line Charge Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:11:46 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Reply-To: jmaddaus@NO_SPAM.usa.net Maybe this is old news, or not news at all, but Bell Atlantic just sent me a notice that my monthly charge was increased retroactive to January on my second residence line due to an FCC directive allowing LECs to charge more for the second line. Seems odd to me since I have not read anything about this in the NG, but then again maybe this was old news and they only decided to hit us with it now. I think it amounts to a monthly increase of $3-4. Seemed a little steep. jmaddaus@usa.net ------------------------------ From: radparker@radparker.com (Al Iverson) Subject: Re: Spam Blocking Organization: See sig before replying! Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 19:27:59 -0500 In article , usbcpdx.teleport.com@teleport.com ( at ) ( dot ) wrote: > Do you have a URL for RRSS? > http://www.radparker.org and http://relays.radparker.org do not work. > On 5 Jul 1999 00:12:05 -0400, johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) wrote: >> I use RRSS at relays.radparker.org, which is like ORBS but only lists >> open relays that have sent at least one spam. It's quite effective, >> since there are spam trap addreses that nominate open relays as soon >> as they send their first spam. Somebody made an oopsie. It's http://relays.radparker.com . (not .org) Or you could have done a search on Yahoo for "radparker" Al Iverson radparker.com Al Iverson -- Web: http://al.radparker.com/ -- Home: Minneapolis, USA Visit the Radparker Relay Spam Stopper at http://relays.radparker.com. STOP! Include SWANKY99 in email replies or they may be tagged as spam. Send me no unsolicited advertising, as I will always return it to you. ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Spam Blocking Date: 6 Jul 1999 22:20:11 -0400 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > Do you have a URL for RRSS? > http://www.radparker.org and http://relays.radparker.org do not work. Sorry, that's http://relays.radparker.com John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: Spam Blocking Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:32:15 GMT Barry Margolin writes: > Another problem with ORBS is that they add indirect relays to their > list. We operate a selective mail relay that we give our customers > access to on demand. If their server is open and forwards the > outgoing mail through our server, both servers get put on the > blacklist. This has happened to us several times. This means that > one of our customers could easily cause a denial of service for many > other customers, simply by removing their own spam blocks and > reporting themselves as a mail relay (I don't think any of our > customers have actually done this intentionally). For a *truly* fun time, create a multi-homed host on as many nets as you can easily scrounge, and report it to ORBS. Watch ORBS turn itself inside-out trying to figure out what's going on. [My limit was 6 nets -- which apparently chewed a few hour's worth time on the ORBS system. But I also played with it, changing the IP that the relays came from during their probes.] Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) ------------------------------ From: mcharry@erols.com (John McHarry) Subject: Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:37:07 GMT On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:21:06 GMT, ricklg@JAGUNET.COM (Rick Goddard) wrote: > This test looks for sparks generated by switches, relays, etc. The > test is performed by placing the equipment in a chamber, adding a > gasoline/air mixture, then operating the unit. Failures can be > spectacular! I suspect the ban may be due to the likelihood of > operating a phone (pushing switches) while refueling. One catch to > this theory is that if the voltage is low enough, there is no spark. You probably wouldn't find it in a cell phone, but if a low voltage is driving current through a significant inductance, breaking the circuit can produce a lovely spark. I can remember my HKN pledge project in which I used a penlight battery and a buzzer to light NE2s. (HKN is an EE honorary. You had to build a symbol of the organization that hangs around your neck, carries its own power, and can light either or both of two lights. Most used a battery and a couple small lights. I went for high voltage and neon lights. The irritating noise was an added bonus.) NE2s only require about 67 volts to ignite, but I would guess my device could set off an air/fuel mixture if it had to. ------------------------------ From: joe@apk.net (Joseph T. Adams) Subject: Re: Cell Phones at Gas Stations Date: 7 Jul 1999 13:54:31 GMT Organization: Quality Data Division of JTAE Rick Goddard (ricklg@JAGUNET.COM) wrote: > operating a phone (pushing switches) while refueling. One catch to > this theory is that if the voltage is low enough, there is no spark. Any useful voltage, even 1.5 volts, can produce a nasty spark. Try shorting a fresh D battery sometime (but don't touch the wire directly, as it will get very hot very fast, and wear eye and face protection; it is unlikely but possible that the battery could explode). Joe ------------------------------ From: jmaddaus@NO_SPAM.usa.net (John S. Maddaus) Subject: Re: More on Weak GSM Encryption Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:46:23 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Reply-To: jmaddaus@NO_SPAM.usa.net Phillip Ritter wrote: > juhave@iobox.fi (Juha Veijalainen) writes: >> Military has never used cellular (whatever make/brand/standard) for >> anything secure. > Not true at all. In the late '80s, early '90s, Motorola manufactured, > and multiple US Government agencies (including DoD) used, the > "Cellular STU-III" which was approved for Top Secret communications. > This was nothing more than a car-mount cell phone with the same Secure > Telephone Unit type III used on landline phones (STU-III) built in. I > believe that the STU series, including the cellular version, were all > approved for use, and widely used, in NATO and other allied block > counties countries. Actually, there was a "suitcase" (read specially constructed) version which contained a 3 watt motorola transceiver, batteries, antenna and a STU-III (in our case an AT&T). Weighed close to thirty pounds. Usually sat in the rear seat with the Admiral/General. Actually, I rode around with one in my seat for awhile testing performance enhancement to the modem and compatibility with other models. Not very portable and severely limited in usage for several reasons: 1) The STU modems were not cellular optimized. Hence a simple blank and burst command to the analog cellular phone was in fact seen by the STU as a burst of bit errors, degrading voice quality and in many cases killing the secure connection. 2) The system was AMPS and could only be used in countries that supported AMPS standard cellular (which typically left out all OCONUS operations). It was essentially used in the U.S. only. Some thought was given to installing mobile cell towers in military transport aircraft, but was deemed to be to expensive and still to limiting in range. 3) The STU required modification since it replaced the handset connected to the Motorola transceiver . Since this "plug" was of proprietary design, i.e. not a typical RJ, a special interface cable needed to be developed. The modem also required mods to recognize the blank and burst commands, at least the more common ones, though this was not rolled into the majority of the STUs. Don't forget that STUs are point-to-point. If the STU on the other end didn't support the enhancments to the modem set-up (and most existing models did not) then the degradation would still be a problem. 4) There were indeed unique security issues with the cellular suitcase. It was specially constructed to pass some rigorous testing required of any secure data device. The analog transceiver introduced into the mix forced the issue of reducing emanations. 5) These suitcases might still be available, though I understand that Motorola has introduced a brick version of the STU. 6) As one of three STU manufacturers, I doubt if we sold more than 500 units total. Regarding the original GSM question, specialized equipment for monitoring GSM conversations (without the need for the SIM) has been around for two years or more in various countries. Also, if memory serves, the original algorithm proposed by the British had a back door much like the proposed Clipper. The Germans and French (and everyone else) didn't like the thought of the British being able to listen to their cellular conversations. GSM nearly didn't get off the ground because of this issue as the standards were pretty well set. Again, trusting my memory (which is not what it used to be) the algorithm was changed. The effect was a weaker algorithm. John S. Maddaus jmaddaus@usa.net ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 1999 22:18:13 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Help! I Paid Good Money For These Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA >> I am from the Philippines. A Japanese who came to my country >> sold me some Japan made cell phones (DoCoMo & Kyocera)... >> We are able to use all US and European cellphones. > I do not think this statement is completely true. Pretty close. The Philippines has two AMPS systems and two GSM systems, so North American AMPS and European GSM phones should work. >> I paid good, hard earned money for those phones. I was hoping to >> go into business and sell them here in my country. I'm afraid he got suckered. Japan has a bunch of networks using old analog technology and digital adaptations thereof that isn't used anywhere else in the world. The DoCoMo phones use a scheme called Highcap/PDC, which runs in the 800 MHz band but isn't compatible with AMPS. It is very unlikely that these sets can be adapted to work anywhere other than Japan. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Washi Desu Subject: Re: Help! I Paid Good Money For These Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:34:08 +0900 Organization: Washi's Scrapbook Darryl Smith wrote, > I believe that the system being referred to is the PHS - Personal > Handi-Phone System. The original inquirer said they were "NTT DoCoMo and Kyocera" phones. NTT DoCoMo is not a PHS carrier (although it has bought out the NTT PHS subsidiary), and Kyocera is not a carrier at all but a manufacturer. The phones they make range from PHS to PDC to CDMA. Since there are several kinds of cellular and micro-cellular phone systems in Japan, which is currently in a transition phase, it is impossible to know what system the person bought. In any case, cell phones in Japan are typically given away or sold well below cost; the companies then make money from the service itself. Selling someone a phone without the service is nothing short of a swindle. Washi Desu, Tokyo http://washi.nu ------------------------------ From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Possible Modem Power Surge Damage Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 04:09:45 PST Organization: Shadownet David Scheidt writes: > What I would like to know is what damage can be caused by under-voltage. > I am on the East Coast, and the weather can only be described as > "rather hot". Needless to say, there has been constant transient > power problems today. I have not been watching with a sensitive > instrument, but the lights get noticably dimmer. Right now, I have > all the lights off in my office, so I don't know how they are > behaving. However, I can hear UPSs go beep beep at regular intervals. > I also have an elderly Westinghouse fan, the speed of which is voltage > dependent. It is currently on high, and spining about the speed it > does on low. I also notice that about once a minute it speeds up past > its normal rates. I've read that undervoltage can be *very* bad for motors. And of course, various electronic gizmos "die" if the voltage drops far enough for the output of the DC supply they use to drop below a usable level. Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort ------------------------------ From: nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio) Subject: Re: Rotary Dial Telephone Organization: Providence Network Partners Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 03:14:15 GMT In article , larb0@aol.com says... > Five hour backup won't do alot of good when the power is out for one > or two days. With central office power, the phone works fine - > especially since COs have backup generators. During winter ice storms, > we've lost power frequently - once over two days. This is my main issue > regarding wireless and IP telephony - the loss of "lifeline" service. With regard to IP telephony -- Cox will be using broadband cable to carry telephone content. If I look at my HSD cable line, there's a little parasitic line on the side that carries 48VDC from Cox. I guess they're planning to do things the right way. == Tony Pelliccio, KD1S formerly KD1NR == Trustee WE1RD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:25:56 -0400 From: Robert A. Rosenberg Subject: Re: Cellular 911 Position Location Issues At Mon, 5 Jul 99 10:31 PDT, lauren@vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein) wrote about Cellular 911 Position Location Issues: > But many criminal or civil > investigations would want access to logs of historical data regarding > particular cell phone movements, down to whatever level of granularity > (e.g., current location once per minute) that the networks could > provide. This introduces a range of complexities in terms of both the > operational and policy issues surrounding such usage. Concerns over > this sort of retroactive inspection of cellular location data has > already caused some considerable controversies in Europe. There is another similar issue brewing. The technology that is being used to run "EZ PASS" (an automated highway fare collection system) can also be used to issue speeding tickets if designed for this purpose. At the current time if you use an EZ PASS lane and do not have a valid Transponder, a picture of you and the car is taken and a "fare betting" ticket is issued. If two toll booths are 11 miles apart and the speed limit between them is 55 MPH, showing up at the second toll booth earlier than 12 minutes after going though the first means you were speeding and a picture can be taken as evidence (or just use the time stamped record that is kept for account purposes). Already there are cases of the monthly statement being used in court cases proving that people were places that they claimed not to have been (just as you suggested in one of your comments about after the event tracking of people). [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This is not a new technique at all however. About 40 years ago when the Indiana Toll Road opened, running from South Bend to where it connects with the Chicago Skyway they were doing the same thing. When you entered onto the toll road at some point, you were given a ticket stamped with the time and your point of entry (i.e. the mile marker, or name of the town where you got on). Payment was made when you got off the toll road. This was a long time before computers and cameras of course. The exiting agent would take your ticket and look at a little chart he had which was a matrix of towns along the way and the mileage between each. It was a simple matter to divide the distance in miles by the number of minutes which had expired to detirmine the 'average' speed the motorist was traveling. Since one side of Indiana is in a different time zone than the other end, they had to calculate the absolute! number of minutes which had passed, and it had best be at least 120-150 minutes at minimum, from the eastern starting point at the Ohio border to the Illinois border, a mile per minute being quite fast enough in the eyes of the law. They made allowances for the (mechanical) clocks at each end being slightly off since the agents letting cars on had to stamp the tickets by hand and they tended to stamp up several at a time to have ready as traffic entered, handing one to each driver, etc. As a result, the rest stops along the way would frequently have people sitting in them, drinking coffee or whatever and waiting for enough time to pass that they could exit without a problem. If you exited the toll road 'too soon', the agent was authorized write down your license plate number and hand you a citation. The citation, which gave the specifics of your offense had various payment options. The least expensive option was 'if you do not wish to contest this matter, you may pay the agent twenty dollars. Be certain to obtain your copy of the receipt, and that it has your license number, name and form of identification presented clearly written on it and that it has been registered by the agent.' (This prevented a few (only a few?) dishonest agents from making a little extra money each day. I suspect more than a few motorists for reasons of their own were quite happy to collaborate with the agent at a discounted price so they could be on their way without 'a lot of paperwork neither of us want'. Another payment option allowed the motorist to check off a box on the citation marked 'guilty' and submit his payment by mail to the clerk of the court somewhere. A third option was to take the citation in person to someplace where they had what was called 'cafeteria court' and wait in line there. When your turn came, you went up to the judge and pleaded your case. You could claim the agent's indicia on the original entrance/exit ticket was incorrect, or give whatever other excuses you wanted. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not, depending on how the judge was feeling that day. If you could prove there was an emergency ('my wife was having a baby') they would give you a pass that time. Most motorists simply found it more convenient and less expensive to sit in the parking lot at the Howard Johnson's restaurant on either end and wait a few minutes before continuing their journey. All this was just for the 'average motorist' since the state police troopers also were on the toll road and in the event they stopped your car for speeding it was handled through police channels. Naturally if they chose to search your car and found anything else of interest or any outstanding warrants, all bets were off, you might never make it to the other end of the toll road. The Indiana Toll Road toll collectors have been computerized for a number of years now; I do not know how they handle speeders any longer. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:25:08 -0400 From: Robert A. Rosenberg Subject: Re: Do Not Disturb At Mon, 05 Jul 1999 06:34:46 GMT, travlinman_mark@my-deja.com wrote about Re: Do Not Disturb: > In article is written: >> Does the software support having an phone number on the list that is >> Caller*ID'ed as PRIVATE (ie: Call Blocked at the caller's end)? This >> is one of my gripes about Caller*ID, Call Blocking (where you can >> supply a list of numbers to not accept calls from) and Anonymous Call >> Rejection - There is no way to REQUEST display/non-blocking of a call >> that is flagged with a do-not-display flag even if by listing the >> number you prove you know it. I have friends who have unlisted/unpub- >> lished numbers and who have the line set to All-Call-Block who forget >> to turn the blocking off when they call certain people (who know the >> number) and thus my Caller*ID box will not display their number. > Where I live, in Ameritech country we can get Call Screening which they > now refer to as "Selective Call Screening". This gives me ten numbers > that I do not want to receive calls from, private or otherwise. In our > installation of the software (a Seimens Digital) one can add the last > number that called them by dialing 01 at the add number prompt. The > software always says the number you have added is a private number > regardless of weather or not the number was displayed on Caller-ID and > given by *69. Anyway, in the case of a real private number one can > then select the remove a number from list option and enter the known > private number. If the switch says that the number was removed from > your list then you know that it was that particular number with per- > line blocking that made your last call.:) Thank you for mentioning this. This validates my impression that my request SHOULD be possible (I'm not talking feasible/practical since that is a different issue). As to what I am asking for, it needs to be an instant system not one that is after the fact like yours. I want to not block a private number if it is on my list. I also want to override the do not display bit under the same conditions. For the display requirement, I'm willing to required keying in the number while for the "do not block" one the "add last number" feature should be allowed (since it does not reveal the number to me so there are no privacy violation issues). ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #197 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jul 8 00:00:48 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA15073; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:00:48 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907080400.AAA15073@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #198 TELECOM Digest Thu, 8 Jul 99 00:00:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 198 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Caller ID Extends its Reach to Police Work (Stan Schwartz) Want to Stop Caller ID? *67 Can be a Quick Fix (Stan Schwartz) Re: Satellite GPS Can Locate Wireless Phones Within 15 Feet (Bud Couch Re: Bell Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 (Jennifer Case) Re: VoiceNet Calling Card Experiences Wanted (Julian Thomas) Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? (Steven Lichter) Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? (Anthony Argyriou) Re: Cell Phone Companies Go by Own Rules (Anthony Argyriou) Re: GTE Cellular Tries to Hold Dead Man to Contract (John R. Levine) Help From PBX Guru Needed (Afam Edozie) PBX Tie Trunk (Keelan Lightfoot) Re: Request For Local Calling Area Information (Steven J. Sobol) Re: Weird Wrong Number Calls (Mark Brader) Re: Request For Local Calling Area Information (L. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Schwartz Reply-To: stannc@noispam.yahoo.com Subject: Caller ID Extends its Reach to Police Work By MARK FRITZ Los Angeles Times A scientist named Terry Spontarelli met a girl on America Online and set a time for a tryst in a Tulsa, Okla., motel. She was 13, he was 35, and she'd skipped school by pretending to be sick. Sometime during her encounter with the Ph.D., she made a pre-emptive phone call to her mother at work. She pretended she was still at home, ready for a nap. Like a lot of people who pick up a phone these days, the girl underestimated the endlessly mutating power of the technology she was using. She didn't know that her mother's company, a collection agency, had installed Caller ID, and that police would soon be banging on a door at the motel. Spontarelli pleaded guilty to various state and federal crimes for having sex with a minor. He was sentenced in June to 10 years in a federal penitentiary and another 10 in Oklahoma state prison. ``If the mom hadn't had Caller ID at her work, we wouldn't have known where this girl was meeting this adult, this child molester,'' Assistant U.S. Attorney Susan Morgan said in Tulsa. The Caller ID box -- and the even more widely available keystroke services that copy what it does -- is only one part of a brutally competitive communications industry that is moving faster and marketing harder than lawmakers, lawmen, lobbyists and civil libertarians can control. As it has exploded across the country, Caller ID is having an almost daily effect on police work, in some cases putting sleuthing powers once held by police in the hands of the victims, sometimes even entangling cops when they go carelessly undercover. The fluid ease of Caller ID has, likewise, opened up a new set of moral debates in some communities about hot lines for suicide, rape, domestic abuse, drug and other crimes that depend on the promise of anonymity. ``How many people think about that when they call somebody? That the person on the other end instantly has their phone number and possibly their name and address?'' said Peter Crabb, a Penn State psychologist who studies the effect of technology on human behavior. Here, from the last month alone, is a sampling of true crime stories from the world of Caller ID: A New Jersey high school teacher who claimed she took a phone call from somebody who threatened to blow up the school was arrested after Caller ID showed there was no such call. Schools nationwide have scrambled to install Caller ID because of the rash of copycat threats after the April massacre at a Colorado high school. A 15-year-old boy with a long juvenile record of crime told his father he was spending the night at his older brother's house. Caller ID indicated otherwise, and the man tracked his son to a hotel in downtown Cleveland, where the boy had spent the night having sex with his state-assigned social worker. Suzanne Smithers, a 47-year-old married mother of three, was sentenced to two years in prison for corrupting a minor. In Galveston, Texas, Mark Dixon went on trial for helping his girlfriend kill her husband. Barbara Holder was convicted of capital murder in March. Police say the pair conspired to make the nearly 90-stroke stabbing of Curtis Holder, 47, look like a robbery, but their story unraveled three days later when Holder told a neighbor watching one of her children that she was calling from the police station when Caller ID showed she was really at a local motel. An Ohio man was sentenced to six months in jail for repeatedly phoning in sick to his job as a Hamilton County janitor. Michael Leedy, 45, took a month of paid sick leave last year, which the county's Caller ID system indicated had been regularly called in from his other job across town. A pair of purported neo-Nazi skinheads, 19-year-old James Ronald Romo and a juvenile, were arrested in connection with the abduction, robbery and savage beating of an Orange County, Calif., man who believed he was targeted because he was gay. The suspects had returned a call that came in on the beeper they had stolen from the victim. The Caller ID log led police to the motel where the suspects were staying. The signs that many people are oblivious to a world in transition are legion. ``We got a window of a year or two until everyone figures it out,'' said Sgt. Mike Tully, a detective in Colonie, N.Y., outside Albany. When it comes to somewhat more organized crime, the private sector has often been a lap or two ahead of police agencies. Though many are reluctant to talk about it, different police agencies have devised various ways of outfoxing the increasing cleverness of Caller IDs. ``We have drug cases we work all the time, and we have to be careful with who we call,'' said Mickey Hawkins, head of the FBI office in Tulsa. ``We use a device that gives a different number.'' Even false numbers can be figured out by state-of-the-art Caller ID systems if the address it digs up is the local precinct house. While budget-bound police departments clamor for upgrades, or are even unaware that they need them, some law officers insist that drug rings snap up the latest in technology being offered by the firms competing to destroy each other with nifty new products. ``That's the flip side of it,'' said Lt. Steve Heider, a Colonie detective. ``Especially in drug enforcement, they (the villains) get more technical than we do years ahead of time.'' Even cops who use phone cards or credit cards should be wary, because such cards increasingly carry identifying information. One carrier's Caller ID service actually flashed ``U.S. Government'' when a federal credit card was used to book a call. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Schwartz Reply-To: stannc@noispam.yahoo.com Subject: Want to stop Caller ID? *67 can be a quick fix (some interesting mis-information in the last paragraph about unlisted numbers being "protected?" from Caller ID. Not where I come from -Stan) Los Angeles Times Though many Americans may not realize it, virtually every call to a 911 system instantly identifies the caller's location. Now, many telephone users have the same power. Even people who don't own Caller ID in most places can punch the ``star'' sign and two digits to purchase the number of the heavy breather who just hung up or even initiate a trace that alerts police. Most users can dial ``star'' 67 to avoid being identified by Caller ID, abut they are increasingly finding systems set up to refuse those calls, and, in some instances, even trace them. All these services cost money, and it's one of the most lucrative parts of the business. About 15 percent of telephone users have the box, and virtually all users have ability to block or trace calls. Hoping to make Caller ID as ubiquitous as call waiting, phone companies have just begun offering a combo package that allows people to see the name of the waiting caller. There are movements afoot in some states to give documented victims of stalking or domestic abuse the ability to create false caller identities. Several states, including Oklahoma and Tennessee, recently passed laws prohibiting telemarketers from blocking their IDs, and most others are considering it. Unlisted numbers supposedly are protected from Caller ID, though Kansas state lawmakers earlier this year held hearings on why some supposedly unlisted numbers, including a legislator's, showed up on Caller ID boxes. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: In that final paragraph, my understanding is that all telephone numbers -- unlisted/non-pub or otherwise -- will display on a caller-ID unit unless the caller takes care to include *67 at the start of each call. Its just that knowledge of the number itself is frequently of no value if the number is non-pub since reverse lookups generally won't produce any name or address to go with it. Still, it never hurts to include *67 if anonymous calling is needed. Also, we have discovered something which may turn out to be important in some cases: if you have call waiting and do not wish to be disturbed you can of course do *70 at the start of each call. There are some phone switches however which (read carefully!) only recognize the first special instruction given. You might for example wish to be both anonymous and undisturbed in your call, so you would do *67*70xxx-yyyy. That should work fine, and you do not have to wait for the 'three beep tones' when one is finished before continuing with the next. My modem for example just blasts out *70xxx-yyyy to my local ISP without any pause in dialing. Where the problem arises however is given your 'druthers, if your local phone switch only accepts one special instruction in dialing, would you rather have it ignore *67 or *70 ... (grin, but not a very enthusiastic one) ... ditto things like speed dialing which may be a star followed by a single digit, or call forwarding which is *72 in most places. Believe it or not, reports have arrived which say that the combination *72*67*8 actually causes all incoming calls to be forwarded immediatly to speed dial 8 AND TO ALWAYS BE PASSED ANONYMOUSLY as though *67 was used each time. Not on every phone switch; not in every generic of the software. The other way around, privacy is given on the initial call to set up call forwarding, but never again. Some have found that while on a call, flashing for a three-way dialtone followed by *67-number, the *67 is ignored totally, but that if you do *67-first party, flash, second party, the privacy instruction is carried over to the addition on the three-way call automatically as if, so to speak, the 'master call' or the connection in control of it all is privacied, then any add-ons along the way are also. You might want to see what different combinations and different arrangements of the dialing string work or do not work in your community. I think it is a good general rule of thumb that if you intend to use more than one special option on a call or series of calls, that *67 be first in the string always. While a command like *70 can be inserted in a dialing string after the fact and still take effect, if so much as the first digit of a number has been dialed, *67 attempts will be in vain. You knew of course, I assume, that if you have three-way calling, you can flash at any time during the call and insert *70 for the remainder of the session to busy out further call-waiting. If *67 is a regular part of your phone routine, check to see how it works on your phone switch regards absolutely needing to be the first thing dialed in order for it to 'stick', and how it is handled on three-way calling, etc. T'would be a pity if you were in the middle of a call only to find out *67 had gotten lost or ignored somewhere along the way, wouldn't it! And see if you can force privacy to stay in effect on calls you forward, and if the switch forwards *your* number on call forwarding or the *true number* of the person calling. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Bud Couch Subject: Re: Satellite GPS Can Locate Wireless Phones Within 15 Feet Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:21:31 -0700 Organization: ADC Kentrox Arthur Ross wrote: > Bud Couch wrote: >> The FCC would never dare to mandate this "feature" -- the ability to >> track individual citizens without either their knowledge or consent. > Sorry, that's EXACTLY what they have done. > From CFR 47 20.18, 10-1-98 Edition: > "(e) Phase II enhanced 911 services. As of October 1, 2001, licensees > subject to this section must provide to the disignated Public Safety > Answering Point the location of all 911 calls by longitude and latitude > such that the accuracy for all calls is 125 meters or less using a Root > Mean Square (RMS) methodology." The key to this is "location of all 911 calls", whereas the Lucent "enhancement" does not require a 911, or actually, any, call to be in progress. By the simple fact of carrying a cell phone, your personal location can be determined. Now, from a technical point of view, this is a logical extension, and was probably not exceptionally difficult to do. But from a political policy point of view it is negligent, at best, and criminal at worst. If I really let my paranoia run, I can see where it would not be difficult to set the unit into a micropower "sleep" mode with the power switch; a mode in which it would not routinely contact the local cell, but which would respond to a specific "location" code command. Then the only way to defeat the system would be to remove the battery. I dread the day that carrying a cell phone with the battery disconn- ected becomes a criminal act. Bud Couch - ADC Kentrox |When correctly viewed, everything is lewd.| bud@kentrox.com (work) | -Tom Lehrer | budc@hevanet.com (just me)|"Therefore you're guilty!" -EEOC | |insert legalistic bs disclaimer here | [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well we can fix you anyway. New cell phones will be required to have a tiny little battery inside them just like laptop computers have to keep the clock running and things having to do with passwords in the BIOS stored, etc. That battery will get its charge from the bigger battery which you propose to take out. So I don't believe we will have any trouble out of you or people that think like you do. And we will not allow any tampering with cell phones or computers at all. All of them (phones and comp- uters) will be licensed by the government and programmed in the ROM or read only memory to report their location at all times and what tricks their human owners are engaged in. Not only will it be against the law to remove the battery from your cell phone, it will be against the law to disconnect your computer from the phone line, or disconnect its microphone or camera attachments. Sound okay to you? There may even be a law which requires people to carry a working, charged-up cell phone with them at all times. If you are considered a suspicious or dangerous person, you will be required to remain within view of your computer's digital camera at all times, so your computer can report to the appropriate authorities anytime you try to think or act for yourself without permission. I was a little disturbed to read the other day that there have been some experiments at a couple web sites with not only just being content with raping your hard drive, but they are actually looking around to find out if you have a video camera attachment. If so, they want to have the ability to secretly turn it on as well as the computer's microhone. You know, issue remote commands from their end telling your computer to activate those devices. Maybe I should save this for a Last Laugh sometime, but about a month ago I was chatting with this young, sort of semi-illiterate fellow on the computer who had sent me an instant message asking some questions. He did not realize that I had met him personally not too long prior, and that I knew what he looked like. So I started playing some games on his head (grin) ... telling him what he looked like, about how tall he was, etc. He was shocked ... 'how would you know something like that?' ... and of course I explained to him that his computer had been programmed to watch him at all times and report whatever he was doing. 'Your computer watches you and your friends and listens to what you say, and then reports it to the proper authorities. The computer sees everything; it tells other computers about you, what you look like and stuff that you do, and anyone like myself who wants to find out merely has to call secretly into your computer and ask it for all the details. When you turn it off it relays back to other computers that you are trying to hide from it, or doing something that you shouldn't do. The computer knows all about you.' And then I added sort of worried-sounding, "Oh, darn, it saw me" ... and explained that 'there is a computer in the other room that has been trying to take a picture of me for several days ...' I had said enough accurate information describing him that he did not know what to think, but finally he said, 'I am not sure if I should believe you or not ...' I suspect he got very paranoid, based on the rest of his chat with me. I assured him that as long as he kept his computer totally unplugged and all the cables disconnected and put the computer itself in a closet when not in use, it would not be able to spy on him or his friends and 'file its daily reports with other computers'. Poor guy ... I am sure he has told all his friends by now about how he found out his computer was spying on him and watching him when he didn't know it. Well, we are not quite that far advanced in our technology yet, but we are getting pretty close, aren't we. Allow a few more years for things to fall into place. Meanwhile, I'll be seeing you again as we surf the shopping mall, err, I mean the web. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:53:28 -0400 From: Jennifer Case Reply-To: Subject: Re: Bell Geolocation Technology Pinpoints Wireless 911 Herb Stein (herb@herbstein.com) wrote: > I don't want them to find me! If they can find me in an emergency > situation they can find me when I didn't brush my teeth! BIG BROTHER -- > I'd sooner not be found. > In article , J.F. Mezei > wrote: >> I may be thick, but do they seriously expect to retrofit all handsets to >> incorporate that mini-GPS unit and logic ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> I was really hoping that they would have use network infrastructure to >> locate the SIGNAL. Heck, an imprecise measurement would be sufficient >> if emergency vehicles were equipped with a locator device to pinpoint >> that phone's location. Analog phone networks have had this equipment >> for a long time to find fraudsters. I'm sure Jon Charleston's family don't share your sentiments. It's too bad that can't perfect the technology and mandate regulations so they can only find you if you let them, i.e. dial 9-1-1. ============================= Cell phone does not help man killed in crash 11 April 1999 Associated Press FORT WAYNE, Ind. - A man who died in a car accident used his cellular phone to call for help, but police couldn't locate him in time. Jon Charleston, 49, of Fort Wayne died Friday morning when his sport utility vehicle rolled into a ditch along Washington Center Road. Police said Charleston called 911 with his cell phone, but he didn't know where he was - probably because he was disoriented from the crash. Officers kept Charleston on the phone line. Then, police used sirens and listened over the phone line to try to locate the wreckage. They were not successful. The county's 911-tracking system, designed to trace cell phone calls to a specific radar tower and the area nearby to give police the location of stranded motorists, did not work. Charleston's cell phone was not upgraded to be compatible with the tracking system, Sheriff Jim Herman said. So, knowing only that Charleston had been driving toward Aboite from St. Joseph Township, officers began searching any possible roads he could have driven. Officers used their sirens, hoping Charleston would hear them and be able to direct officers to where he lay trapped. It took emergency crews almost two hours to find Charleston. He died on the way to Parkview Hospital in Fort Wayne. ------------------------------ From: jt5555@epix.net (Julian Thomas) Subject: Re: VoiceNet Calling Card Experiences Wanted Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:52:57 GMT In , on 07/05/99 at 02:23 PM, Jason Fetterolf 2. Competitively priced - 14.9 cents a minute, 6 dec billing, NO > surcharge per call. (except FCC mandated payphone fee). No minimums, and > no monthly fees. Er -- if this is www.voicenet.com then the above is true only if you have a local access number for VOICENET. Nothing about 800 access on the web site. Julian Thomas: jt 5555 at epix dot net http://home.epix.net/~jt remove numerics for email Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! I don't do Windows, but OS/2 does. ------------------------------ From: stevenl11@aol.comstuffit (Steven Lichter) Date: 08 Jul 1999 00:25:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Here is a good one. Pacific Bell switchroom telephones are blocked by default. I found that out when I had to call home while working in one, my phone blocks anything without CID. The only good Commercial E-mailer is a dead one, Have you hunted one down today? Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II and Mac. 24 hours 2400/14.4. OggNet Server. ------------------------------ From: anthony@alphageo.com (Anthony Argyriou) Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:47:07 GMT Organization: Alpha Geotechnical Reply-To: anthony@alphageo.com black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) wrote: > Just as I can look through a window at who's knocking at my door, I > would like to know who's calling before answering a telephone. This argument is specious. If I look out my window (or peephole) at someone knocking at my door, I don't get the person's address. Anthony Argyriou ------------------------------ From: anthony@alphageo.com (Anthony Argyriou) Subject: Re: Cell Phone Companies Go by Own Rules Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:51:26 GMT Organization: Alpha Geotechnical Reply-To: anthony@alphageo.com Mike Pollock wrote: > NEW YORK (AP) - Whether it's local or long distance, home phone or pay > phone, it's understood: A call starts with ``hello.'' If there's no > answer, there's no charge. > With mobile phones, the situation can be quite different. > Most mobile phone companies charge from the moment the caller hits the > ``send'' button. One industry leader, Sprint PCS, charges for calls > even if there's no answer. When I temped at GTE Mobilenet in Pleasanton, CA (510 back then), we were told that call charges began with the connection, unless you rang the other phone for more than one minute (12 to 13 rings), then they'd start charging you regardless. Anthony Argyriou ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jul 1999 20:57:09 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: GTE Cellular Tries to Hold Dead Man to Contract Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I believe that under the law, when some > person dies, their debts or contractual obligations are dismissed at > the same time. I am not certain if the executor of a deceased person's > 'estate' -- if one is appointed -- is under any obligation to pay any > debts outstanding. Of course the estate has to pay the debts. Otherwise banks wouldn't give mortagages to anyone over the age of 19. What I do think is the case is that if the assets of the estate are insufficient to pay the debts, then the creditors are out of luck and can't come after the survivors for the rest. I do agree that this particular story is pretty stupid, even for our pals at the Great Telephone Experiment. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Afam Edozie Subject: Need Help From PBX Guru Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:02:28 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Hi, I'm looking for a PBX for a project, but have very little technical (or pricing) knowledge. I'm hoping some one my drop me an email so that I could ask a few detailed questions. Thanks, Afam Edozie Virgin Biznet Tel: 0171 664 6059 Fax: 0171 664 6066 Email: afam@london.virgin.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 02:05:25 -0700 Subject: PBX Tie Trunk From: Keelan Lightfoot I am interested in putting a tie trunk between two 1970's PBXen, in two towns 15 km (~9 mi) apart. The CO is in one town (Let's say B), and I am in town A. There is an unexpected hitch, though. The cable from my town 'dives' into a grey, air conditioned building between the two towns and again emerges, following the poles to the CO. My question is, what would most likely be inside that grey building? There are about 100 subscribers in my town. If that building contains a multiplexer/Amplifier of sorts, would it still be possible for the guys at Brand X telco to create a uninterrupted copper line between towns A and B, right up to my house? (I have what would appear to be a 25 pair cable terminating on the pole in my back yard -- I am the second to last subscriber on the north end of their network). The next problem -- What kind of amplification would my tie trunk signal possibly need to travel the 15km, if any? Also, what would the monopolizing beasts at Brand X telco ask from me ($ - monthly) for this service? - Keelan Lightfoot ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J Sobol) Subject: Re: Request For Local Calling Area Information Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:28:00 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.4NET On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:51:57 -0400, schandler@ciaccess.com allegedly said: > This message is an update to one appearing in TELECOM Digest back > around February 1997: > I'd appreciate it if everyone could help me out with a project I've > been working on. After searching the Internet and countless phone > calls to different phone companies, i was unable to get a database or > book containing tables for determining whether a call from phone # > xxx-xxxx was local to phone # yyy-yyyy. As an ISP I would find this extremely useful. However, with all the CLECs who've entered my area (and, undoubtedly, yours too), and the rate at which new NXX's are introduced within a given area code, it might be rather difficult to maintain such a database. When there's a question, I just tell people to dial zero from the phone they are using to dial the destination number; give the operator their number and the number they're calling; and ask if it's a toll call. After all, you know what happens when you ass-u-me! :) (you end up with an angry customer who has a big long-distance bill) That having been said, I wish you much success with the project and I will try to get as much info to you as I possibly can. North Shore Technologies: We don't just build websites. We build relationships. (But not with spammers. Spammers get billed a minimum of $1000 for cleanup!) 888.480.4NET [active now, forwards to my pager] - 216.619.2NET [as of 7/1/99] Proud host of the Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail - www.spamfree.org ------------------------------ From: msbrader@interlog.com (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: Weird Wrong Number Calls Date: 7 Jul 1999 20:39:06 -0400 Bill Levant writes: > Periodically, during business hours, but not always at the same time > of day, a woman calls our (listed) number. > No matter whether I answer, or my wife answers, or the kids answer, > it's always the same thing. She says "Sorry, wrong number" -- WITHOUT > ASKING FOR ANYONE IN PARTICULAR -- and then hangs up. One obvious possibility is that there is a number that she calls regularly that is NOT answered with "Hello", but in some other manner well known to her. (For example, she calls her husband at his company and knows that they'll always with the company name.) And of course Bill's number is similar to this other number. And the woman is used to getting a lot of wrong numbers because her phone has a balky key and she hasn't gotten around to having it fixed (or it's her employer's phone and they refuse to fix it), or because she has a physical disability in her hands, or whatever. So she doesn't want to waste anyone's time, and hangs up quickly when it happens. Mark Brader | "I always hoped that when someone quoted me Toronto | it would be because I said something profound." msbrader@interlog.com | -- Chris Volpe My text in this article is in the public domain. ------------------------------ From: lwinson@bbs.cpcn.com (L. Winson) Subject: Re: Request For Local Calling Area Information Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:36:44 GMT Organization: The PACSIBM SIG BBS > What I am currently doing is compiling all the information I have into > a database and program that can do local number look ups. I hate to be a dead fish, but I think the magnitude of data for a project like this would make it an almost impossible task, for the following reasons. The Philadelphia area phone book alone, with the various message unit groups, has many 9x12" pages in fine print detailing the various call zones. Even if you to include message units as "local" and include only "toll", there is still an enormous complexity since every suburban town has its own matrix. And there are lots of towns. I shudder to think of the New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles charts. Making the project even tougher is that new competing telephone companies might not use the same local zones as the established Bell companies do. Compounding the problem is that different calling plans have different local plans. Premium call plans do not charge for message unit calls ("Metropolitan Flat Rate Service"). And there are even higher premium plans that allow free calling in otherwise short distance toll zones. In other words, having a table look up say "local" is essentially meaningless because (a) are message units "local"?; and (b) each calling plan varies the definition. To yield an accurate answer you'd have to provide for every plan offered in that exchange. It can get very complex. Because of the area code splits, all exchange combinations must be both area code and exchange. That's a lot of keying. Phone companies are constantly adding new exchanges and area codes. Maintaining the table would be tough. Lastly, phone companies are always tinkering with the calling areas. The database would be obsolete by the time it was done. ------------------------------ From: mikelieman@albany.net (Mike Lieman) Subject: Re: Looking For Rack Fastener Seen at Networld Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:33:05 GMT Organization: Lieman Systems Development Reply-To: mikelieman@albany.net www.markertek.com has them. klein_larry@hotmail.com (Larry Klein) wrote: > I can describe it though. There are 2 pieces. The first piece looked > almost like a set screw but had an untreaded area where the rack gear > would sit while mounting the rack piece. The second piece was a > cylindrical cap that cinched the gear. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - I Miss Jerry -|- TECHNOLOGY: No Place for Wimps! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - PGP Fingerprint: C43E 7FAB E5C6 873F 8531 8B24 DC98 0BC9 63F5 4005 - - (c) 1998 Mike Lieman "For Non-Commercial, Home-Use Only" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #198 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jul 8 04:40:04 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA23969; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:40:04 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907080840.EAA23969@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #199 TELECOM Digest Thu, 8 Jul 99 04:40:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 199 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Computer Science and Government: ARPA/IPTO Draft For Comment (Ronda Hauben) Re: Stentor Changes and History (Mark J. Cuccia) Re: Spam Blocking (Jim Rusling) Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? (Dean Forrest Wright) Re: Request For Local Calling Area Information (Michael G. Koerner) Re: Cell Phone Companies Go by Own Rules (Matt) Joey Lindstrom is Not a Racist (Bob Goudreau) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copywrited. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rh120@columbia.edu (Ronda Hauben) Subject: Computer Science and Government: ARPA/IPTO Draft For Comment Date: 8 Jul 1999 02:12:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Reply-To: rh120@columbia.edu Computer Science and Government: ARPA/IPTO (1962-1986) Creating the Needed Interface by Ronda Hauben rh120@columbia.edu Mr. McCormack. The important thing about a man in science is that he must have demonstrated ability to think originally, isn't that right. Mr. Marchetti. Yes Mr. McCormack. They are discovering things and looking ahead maybe 10 and 20 years sometimes. Mr. Marchetti. That is right [Riehlman Comm. hearing, pg. 249] During the war there developed a partnership between military men and scientific men. It was not brought about automatically; it is not a thing that occurs readily. These men come from different backgrounds, and it is hard for each group to understand the other....I can say to you that the morale of the scientists today as I meet them is so low, so low that while they will not refuse to serve, they will serve without enthusiasm and without fruitful inspiration. [Vannevar Bush, Riehlman Comm hearing 1954, pg. 454-455] ARPA is considered throughout the field as being the main supporter and perhaps the most important force in the course of U.S. and probably world history in the computer....the country never would have grown in the computer field the way it did if it hadn't been for ARPA." [Ibid., pg. X-22. Discussion with Dr. L. Roberts, April 23, 1974] 1. Preface This paper is a beginning effort to explore the role of the U.S. government in building the Internet. The Information Processing Techniques Office (IPTO) created within the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) in the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) is the early and most significant institutional form of this role. Working within this institution, scientists provided leadership in creating the new field of computer science and in giving birth to the Internet. Understanding the role of government in the creation and development of the Internet involves exploring the interface between the computer scientists working as part of IPTO and the military officers in the DOD. More fundamentally, this interface is actually an interface between the computer science community and the U.S. government. During much of its 25 year existence, from 1962-1986, the Information Processing Techniques Office funded and provided leadership, not only for the creation of the new field of computer science, but also for a large number of significant accomplishments in this field. Among these accomplishments are the creation of time-sharing and interactive computing, of packet switching networking, VLSI (Very Large Scale Integration), AI (Artificial Intelligence), the ARPANET, and perhaps most sensationally, of the Internet. Also, under its direction and support, interactive computing and the Internet have spread into many aspects of our society and lives. And yet the Office of Information Processing Techniques was ended in 1986. This raises the question of how did it provide the leadership to make such accomplishments possible? And then, if it was successful in doing such important feats, why was it ended? Before the creation of ARPA, and IPTO, there was concern within the scientific community and in the U.S. government about how to fashion an appropriate peacetime institutional form within government to support basic scientific research. ARPA/IPTO succeeded in a significant way in providing such a form, but it also encountered problems that eventually ended its existence. This paper suggests that study of IPTO's birth, development and ending will be helpful in trying to determine what institutional form within the U.S. government is necessary to continue to provide leadership for computer science research and for the continued growth and development of the Internet. The development and problems of the National Science Foundation (NSF) are also relevant research questions to be studied toward determining what form of institution is needed for the future. However, since such important developments in computer science were made under leadership from ARPA/IPTO, it is more important to explore how this happened. Future study is needed, however, to examine the extent to which the NSF contributed to this effort and the problems this agency encountered that prevented any greater contribution. To state the problem more simply, I am proposing that there is a need to study ARPA/IPTO, both its achievements and the problems it encounter, as it presents important experience toward determining how to design a U.S. government institution to support the continued development of basic research in computer science. This study is also important to provide an answer to the question of how to design a government institution to provide the needed continued oversight and support for scaling and other critical functions for the child of computer science and the IPTO, i.e. for the Internet. This paper is intended as a contribution. URL for full paper: http://www.ais.org/~ronda/new.papers/arpa_ipto.txt Netizens: On the History and Impact of Usenet and the Internet http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/netbook also in print edition ISBN 0-8186-7706-6 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:28:14 CDT From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: Re: Stentor Changes and History In the press release that J.F. Mezei posted on the changes to Canada's Stentor Consortium, there is a mention of the formation of the original predecessor to Stentor, way back in 1932 -- as well as some other information on the name changes or re-organizations of what has become Stentor: "1932: SCNM predecessor, Trans-Canada Telephone System (TCTS) forms and completes the construction of Canada's first cross-country network" (SCNM = Stentor Canada Network Management) "1983: TCTS changes its name to Telecom Canada" "1992: Telecom Canada becomes Stentor Canadian Network Management, as part of the creation of the Stentor Alliance" Three years ago, back in May 1996, I had prepared and posted a special report for the TELECOM Digest and Archives regarding the history and development of the Canadian telephone network, which I called "Stentor, Bell Canada, Independents - Some History", found in the TELECOM Archives: http://telecom-digest.org/archives/history/stentor.bell-canada In the fourteenth paragraph, I mention that the TCTS was formed or created in 1931: "In 1931, Bell Canada and the dominant provincial telcos formed the 'Trans-Canada Telephone System' (TCTS). One of TCTS' major goals was to form a truly Canadian coast-to-coast telephone toll/transmission network, which was accomplished during that year. Prior to the completion of the TCTS network, long-haul telephone calls from one end of Canada to another had to traverse through AT&T's Long-Lines in the US. TCTS became known as Telecom-Canada in the late 1970's or early 1980's, and reorganized as Stentor around 1992/93." After I had finished preparing the report and sending it to the TELECOM Digest and Archives, I subsequently discovered in further research that there even was a predecessor to the Trans-Canada Telephone System! It was bascically the same type of organization, which was preparing for an eventual coast-to-coast intra-Canada network of toll lines and trunks. In the early 1920's, there was formed the "TAC", Telephone Association of Canada, which was the association of the dominant provincial-based telcos. It appears that the TAC of the 1920's evolved into the TCTS of the 1930's through early 1980's. Incidently, the original member telcos of what was the TCTS did _NOT_ include what has become NewTel (Newfoundland) nor IslandTel (Prince Edward Island); nor QuebecTel (partially held by GTE - serving parts of eastern Quebec) nor NorthwesTel (in the northern territories and the northern part of British Columbia) -- the first two later on becoming full members of TCTS / Telecom Canada / Stentor, the latter two later on becoming "associate" members of Telecom Canada / Stentor. Since my original historical report on the telephone industry in Canada, to date 1996, there have been many changes and further developments as was announced yesterday regarding the "reformation" of what has been Stentor. Many of these developments and changes have been reported by others in this Digest, particularly by Ian Angus' "Canadian Telecom Updates" which can also be found at: http://www.angustel.ca MARK_J._CUCCIA__PHONE/WRITE/WIRE/CABLE:__HOME:__(USA)__Tel:_CHestnut-1-2497 WORK:__mcuccia@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu|4710-Wright-Road|__(+1-504-241-2497) Tel:UNiversity-5-5954(+1-504-865-5954)|New-Orleans-28__|fwds-on-no-answr-to Fax:UNiversity-5-5917(+1-504-865-5917)|Louisiana(70128)|cellular/voicemail- ------------------------------ From: jim.rusling@usa.net (Jim Rusling) Subject: Re: Spam Blocking Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:36:47 GMT Organization: Mustang Information Systems, Mustang, OK Reply-To: jim.rusling@usa.net someone@teleport.com wrote: > Do you have a URL for RRSS? > http://www.radparker.org and http://relays.radparker.org do not work. Try http://relays.radparker.com/ Jim Rusling Mustang Information Services Mustang, OK http://jrusling.home.mindspring.com ------------------------------ From: Dean Forrest Wright Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Date: 8 Jul 1999 03:16:41 GMT Organization: Wright Engineers P.C. If the central office "anonymous call blocking" feature is being used, only calls marked "Private" (that is, those intentionally blocked on a per-call or per-line basis) will be blocked. "Out-of-Area" calls (those from PBXs or from areas unequipped for caller ID) are NOT blocked by this feature. To the best of my knowledge, FCC rules have mandated that only those lines whose owners make an explicit request are to be line-blocked. The privacy issue is one of varying sensitivity in various states. As stated, California is one of the states where privacy is an utmost concern. The language and tone of the notifications sent by the telephone company to its customers has a great bearing on the number of customers who choose to block caller ID from their lines. In the case of California, some of the notices were very strongly worded and resulted in a large percentage of customers requesting line blocking. I recently participated in the roll-out of caller ID in a small town in the Northwest. The notice sent to the customers was patterned on that used by a California telco. Guess what -- nearly every customer elected line-blocking. Dean Forrest Wright, P.E. Telecommunications (Central Office Equipment) Engineer dean at imt dot net "When one lacks a sense of awe, there will be disaster" ------------------------------ From: Michael G. Koerner Subject: Re: Request For Local Calling Area Information Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:15:54 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com Shawn Chandler wrote: > This message is an update to one appearing in TELECOM Digest back > around February 1997: > I'd appreciate it if everyone could help me out with a project I've > been working on. After searching the Internet and countless phone > calls to different phone companies, i was unable to get a database or > book containing tables for determining whether a call from phone # > xxx-xxxx was local to phone # yyy-yyyy. > In the front of some phone books there are lists of local calling > areas, ie if you live in area code 519 exchange 683, you can call > local to area code 519 exchanges 351,352,354,355,359,380,436,627,692. > What I am currently doing is compiling all the information I have into > a database and program that can do local number look ups. What I'd > really appreciate, is if everyone could look in their phone books and > jot down the local calling areas for all the exchanges in their > area. (If it's not in the phone book, just write down the ones you > know of for sure from memory). I'd like to get the data for all of > North America if possible. Ameritech has this info for the states in their service area on their website ( http://www.ameritech.com ) as a 'look-up', however, they no longer include it in their 'books'. They also seem to limit number of 'look-up's to about 8-10 'originating' NXXs at a sitting. Their info seems to be quite accurate and current to within about 2-3 months. Regards, Michael G. Koerner Appleton, WI ------------------------------ From: Matt Subject: Re: Cell Phone Companies Go by Own Rules Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:27:16 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. See following link, Sprint doesn't charge for unanswered calls: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/990707/mo_sprint__1.html Matt Mike Pollock wrote in message ... > By BRUCE MEYERSON > AP Business Writer > NEW YORK (AP) - Whether it's local or long distance, home phone or pay > phone, it's understood: A call starts with ``hello.'' If there's no > answer, there's no charge. > With mobile phones, the situation can be quite different. > Most mobile phone companies charge from the moment the caller hits the > ``send'' button. One industry leader, Sprint PCS, charges for calls > even if there's no answer. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I also recieved on Wednesday night a note from someone with essentially the same correction, saying that Sprint does not charge for unanswered calls. So my apologies are extended to Sprint for misrepresenting them in the matter. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:54:53 EDT From: Bob Goudreau Subject: Joey Lindstrom is Not a Racist [Wow. Mr. Editor, I regret the level of flames that have arisen in this thread, but I welcome the chance to turn discussion back to telecom-relevent topics such as US-->Caribbean long distance rates and dialing prefixes...] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yeah, I regret it also. I regret it so much in fact I had to think a bit to decide if I wanted to toss your latest note on this in the bit-bucket or print one hopefully last, final commentary. This has to be it however. I have mail stacked all over here waiting to be printed. No more on this topic. Thank you Joey, thank you Bob. PAT] ---------------------------------- Joey Lindstrom wrote: >> But how much is "too great"? Please be specific, using hard numbers >> of minutes and cents. So far, none of the people who have snidely >> dismissed the rates to Caribbean NANP members as too high but who >> still want Canada to be 1+ dialable have ever put forth any >> *objective* criteria that could be used to decide which NPAs "deserve" >> the privilege of 1+ dialing and which do not. I will repeat the >> challenge I originally offered, and which no one has yet answered with >> any specific facts or numbers: > Let me sum up your challenge the way I and many others here interpreted > it, and you tell me where I've gone wrong, ok? >> I feel that any argument in favour of forcing Caribbean countries to >> be 011 dialable is racist because the people there have dark skin, >> particularly since many of the people putting forth that argument are >> in favour of keeping Canada 1-dialable, and Canada is mostly white. It >> is up to you to prove me wrong." [My full original text follows:] > Except that people who keep making this argument seem to feel that > Canada doesn't qualify as "international", and have never met my > earlier challenge of enumerating exactly what objective criteria > should be used for deciding which NANP countries should be dialable > using 1+10D and which should not. Absent such clear rules, the only > fair thing to do would be to require 011-1- on calls to *all* > international destinations, Canada included. > Yet for some reason, some people seem to feel that it would be a Bad > Thing to make it as difficult to dial those rich white Canadians as it > they'd like for it to be when dialing those poorer, predominantly-black > NANP countries in the Caribbean. I find the attitude somewhat remin- > iscent of the way that certain long distance carriers disable > calling-card calls to specific countries when the calls originate from > certain "red-lined" ethnic neighborhoods. Please note that I certainly did not object to "ANY argument in favour of forcing Caribbean countries to be 011 dialable", or even to all arguments banning Caribbean countries from being 1+ dialable. That's why I described as "fair" the alternative plan that would ban 1+ dialing for *all* foreign countries, putting both Canada and the Caribbean on a equal footing by requiring 011-1 dialing from the US. The attitude I was attempting to criticize is the one that proposes unequal treatment of dialing to various NANP countries without explaining how or why those countries should be classified into either the favored or unfavored category. > If you wish to assert that people are being racist, PROVE IT! You're right. I was wrong to bring up the parallel to the ethnic redlining case, and I hereby apologize to any who was offended. I deserve the proverbial forty lashes with a wet noodle, as Ann Landers says when she admits she goofed. >> The recent proclivity of US callers to being more cavalier about their >> 1+ dialing (the "heck, it only costs ten cents a minute these days" >> attitude) is hardly something that the Caribbean countries or their >> telcos can be blamed for. > The countries, no. The telcos, yes. I don't understand the logic here. The reason that US callers have become more cavalier about 1+ dialing is because domestic long distance rates have fallen dramatically in the past decade. It's hard to credit or blame any foreign telco for inventing this new cavalier attitude. Certainly, certain foreign telcos (only some of which serve NANP nations) benefit from "entertainment" businesses which encourage more inbound calls to the country; every major carrier in the world likes to have more traffic, and it's up to the telco and its home jurisdiction's laws to decide whether it wants to share any of the ensuing revenues with the companies that drummed up the new business for them in the first place. The fact that some of those entertainment firms find it cost-effective to set up a remote-call-forwarding regime to direct incoming calls to service reps who are located elsewhere is really beside the point, as the firms are the ones who have to bear the cost of the forwarding, which is hence invisible to the end-user. It has always been more expensive to dial the Caribbean islands than to dial most of the US, even back in the days of the old 809 NPA. >> And yet US-based sex-line operators are not the ones who would suffer >> the most from being made completely undialable from US (even via 011-1), >> as advocated by the earlier poster; the island residents would be worst >> affected. > I don't know who advocated that (making these countries completely > undialable) but can you honestly see THAT coming to pass? I certainly hope not. But the fact remains that someone (indeed, the very person I was responding to in my article you originally flamed) *did* in fact advocate exactly that in Volume 19, Issue 100: > Certain nations, it seems to me, should be put on notice that their > free ride in country code 1 will soon be over -- shape up or they'll > be kicked out for bad behaviour. The FCC could mandate that direct > dialing end, the NANPA administrator could deallocate the codes, and > that would, by and large, be that. No more scam artists hiding behind > the illusion that they were in the United States. No more sponging > off the country code 1 international gateways, either. That's the sentiment that I dislike -- the suggestion that only the opinions of the US (and perhaps Canada) should count for anything within the NANP, and that all the smaller members can be almost casually kicked out (or given dialing prefixes that are effectively equivalent to being kicked out) on the basis of allegedly failing to meet some standard that isn't even spelled out for them. > No, what > most of us who are espousing this view are advocating is requiring that > these countries go to 011 dialing. All this does is add international > toll-alerting to calls made to those countries. Nobody would be made > to suffer simply because people in the US who might want to call them > are being given a heads-up that the call they're about to make is *NOT* > domestic. And this is why calls to Canada should, too, be 011 - > there's a higher rate involved. Not nearly as much higher, but higher. > If I live in Stoke-on-Trent in England and I place a call to Dublin, > Ireland, it goes as an "international" call (dialed with the "00" > prefix, followed by country code 353, then the city and local numbers) > and the rates are higher. Logical? Indeed, which is why I specifically said that, if 1+ dialing to any NANP country was going to be banned, "the only fair thing to do would be to require 011-1- on calls to *all* international destinations, Canada included." > I'm telling you in no uncertain terms that I am not racist and that my > reasons for advocating 011 dialing for all international calls is for > the reasons I've already delineated, and for no other. I also believe > the same holds true for everyone else who has posted in favour of this > plan, but of course I cannot claim to know the minds of others. But I have not criticized the "uniform treatment" plan (the one that requires 011-1 even for Canada). In fact, I took great pains to distinguish it from the "non-uniform treatment" plan (in which only Canada gets to keep 1+) in my original complaint. I have not slighted the motives of proponents of the "uniform treatment" plan. >> I will also point out you have broken the two rules yourself. If, as >> you claim above, you advocate that Canada not be given any special >> exemption from a blanket "all international calls require 011" rule, >> then you are clearly not among the group of people I was berating >> above, those who want to keep 1+ dialing for Canada and domestic calls >> only but who refuse to explain exactly why Canada alone qualifies for >> such an exemption. Your subject line is therefore a nonsensical >> strawman, evidence of your propensity to be "too easily annoyed" by >> barbs that were not even directed at you. And the fact that you did >> not read carefully enough to notice the distinction I made between the >> "011 for all int'l calls" group and the "Canada exemption" group is >> itself quite annoying. > As to both charges, my defence is in my previous paragraph. You've > made allegations that, if not strongly refuted, will STICK, regardless > of their merit. I chose to refute them even though you claim that I > wasn't an intended target of your scattergun approach - because even > though not a target, I still got hit. Um, you simply were *not* a target, intentional or otherwise, and if you or anyone else in the "uniform treatment" camp feels like they got "hit", then I doubly apologize for not making it clearer that my original criticism was only directed to a portion of the other camp; I thought that the original wording was clear enough, but apparently it's not. > Now, getting to the actual issues involved here, my argument is that > calls to Canada should be 011-dialed because of the higher rates. > Others feel that the rates are not sufficiently higher to warrant this, > and there's merit to this as well - after all, many US carriers charge > higher rates to call Hawaii and Alaska, should we have to call those > places with 011? > An additional argument in favour of keeping Canada 1- dialable, just to > play devil's advocate, can be summed up in three words: "Free Trade > Agreement". Sounds like a devilish non-sequitur. For one thing, the US has FTAs with other countries that have never been 1+ dialable (such as Israel), and countries which are no longer 1+ dialable (Mexico, as you note). And the absence of the US/Canada FTA until the 1980s did not prevent 1+ dialing between the two countries before then. Thus, 1+ dialing is neither necessary nor sufficient for free trade, and vice versa. Besides, as we see with the Mexican example, having an FTA with the US does not guarantee that international call rates will drop to levels comparable to US domestic long distance. > You asked for a threshold number at which point we decide a call should > be 011 dialable or 1 dialable. I'm not a telecom insider so all I can > offer is my opinion, but how about 100%? That is, if a call to a > destination costs 100% more (or higher) than an interstate call > between, say, New York and LA, then maybe we need 011 for toll > alerting. Would this apply to everyone in the US (in which case, which carriers' rates are you using in the ratio?), or just to people whose LD plans reach that ratio, or what? Note that there is a wide variation, based on carrier and plan. For an example of how high domestic long distance can get, consider that AT&T has just announced that it is cutting the weekday daytime rate of its basic (non-discount) service from 28+ cents per minute to 26 cpm. For an example of how low Carribbean LD can get, recall Mark Cuccia's posting pointing out that LCI/Qwest offers rates of 32 cpm from the US to the Bahamas, or 40 cpm to Bermuda. Is the rule for 011-1 vs. 1+ dialing going to vary from subscriber to subscriber and from hour to hour, based on their LD plan's rate ratio at any given point in time? I'd prefer to see a single national norm instead. But I do thank you for at least proposing the beginnings of an actual measurable criterion for winnowing 1+-eligible nations, incomplete though it may be. So far, it's the *only* I've seen anyone advance. (Earlier suggestions about only allowing 1+ dialing based on amorphous subjective criteria such as asserting that only Canada is "well-behaved" don't seem particularly measurable.) >> To others who are members of that group, and who genuinely have no >> biases based on race or national origin, I do apologize -- > Ah ... a partial retraction. That's nice. Now would you care to name > the remaining people who your apology is not extended to, and/or offer > some proof that they are, in fact, racist? Your accusation is still > out there and I for one would like to see you either prove it or > retract it completely. Consider my comment withdrawn, and see above for apology. Bob Goudreau Data General Corporation goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com 62 Alexander Drive +1 919 248 6231 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Did someone mention issue 100 above? My goodness, has this thread been going on that long? I must have lost track of the time. I am tired now and want to quit hearing about it. My thanks to Bob and Joey for helping make this Digest such a forum for diverse opinions. Unlike a dry, technical journal for telephony, we have so much more interesting reading here, don't we? And I am saying that in all sincerity: my thanks to every one of you whose interesting thoughts and ideas and experiences put in writing were responsible for telecom-digest.org reaching a record number of 'hits' today ... over eight thousand. And if you have not yet (or recently) visited an affiliated web site, 'Internet Historical Society / Internet Pioneers' I invite you to do so today. The listing of links to documents relating the net's history over the past thirty years is quite large with many you may not have seen before. Please visit http://internet-history.or (or) http://internet-pioneers.org and learn where we came from. Goodnight! PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #199 ****************************** From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jul 8 16:30:06 1999 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA20054; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:30:06 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <199907082030.QAA20054@massis.lcs.mit.edu> To: ptownson Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #200 TELECOM Digest Thu, 8 Jul 99 16:30:00 EDT Volume 19 : Issue 200 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson GTE Sues Insurer Over Year 2000 Liability (Paul Robinson) Re: GTE Cellular Tries to Hold Dead Man to Contract (Robert Bonomi) Selective Call Screening (Peter Simpson) Re: Weird Wrong Number Calls (Bill Ranck) Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rfc1394a@aol.com (Paul Robinson) Date: 08 Jul 1999 12:18:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: GTE Sues Insurer Over Year 2000 Liability According to an article at UK Internet News Service Silicon.com, http://www.silicon.com/a31386 GTE is suing Allendale Mutual Insurance (AMI) over Year 2000 remediation costs under the "Imminent Loss" clause where an insured spends money immediately to fix a problem now rather than do nothing and file an even larger claim with the insurer for worse damages later. This ability to file for recovery of so-called Year 2000 or "Y2K" costs is considered by some to be a "loophole" in the usual laws regarding what a company can recover for under such provisions. The example given of where such a clause would normally be used would be in marine insurance where a company cleans up an oil spill immediately instead of filing a claim which would involve even larger damages than if the problem were fixed immediately. In the UK the equivalent provision is based on a law called the "Sue and Labour Clause," because a company, in order to immediately repair or mitigate damages may have to "'sue, labour or travel' if necessary to protect these interests," but it is considered unlikely that companies there would use that provision for recouping Y2K remediation costs. This particular feature of Imminent Loss coverage is not all that unusual. For example, I have automobile insurance with GEICO. Unlike most people, I have actually read my insurance policy. The company will not pay any liability until after it is informed of and either they determine they are are valid or a court imposes damages EXCEPT that it will reimburse me for out-of-pocket costs of first aid paid by me at the time of the accident to cover injuries occurring then, which makes sense, i.e. it's cheaper to pay back the minor costs for that than to have the person be injured even worse and thus make the total costs higher for the insurer. Article URL: http://www.silicon.com/a31386 Most people are aware of the issue of why there is a Y2K problem but I'll restate it for the record. The following are my comments unrelated to the above article. Some computer programs such as credit-card processing systems, insurance and mortgage systems calculate differences between dates for purposes of determining interest and amounts due. Some internal microprocessors use dates or times to determine how long industrial processes such as the cracking of crude oil into gasoline and kerosene are to be performed. Elevators, traffic lights, and electric power grids may compare dates to determine rush periods and reschedule service to accomodate those extra loads in some areas and reduce service in areas where the load isn't going to be used. For example, during daylight hours, most electricity is consumed by offices, and telephone circuits are used by businesses in commercial districts to make calls. At night, those circuits are unused as most people are at home and using the phones (and lights and air conditioning) in their houses. Telephone circuit use is extremely high on certain days such as Mother's Day because of people contacting loved ones (and because the rates are often lower). The routines to determine what date it is and whether certain things need to be done is called "date sensitive." Many computer programs that are date sensitive were designed to use a 6-digit date such as 05/20/66 to represent May 20, 1966 or 07/08/99 to represent today, July 8, 1999. If I subtract 123198 from 010199 that indicates that one day has passed. However, next year, subtracting 123199 from 010100 may be misread as indicating 99 years have passed, causing anything from errors which could cascade to other parts, to complete stoppage or failure of the program, microprocessor or system in use. If a program or embedded microprocessor does not use dates at all or doesn't calculate with them it is not date sensitive and is immune to the Y2K problem. Not counting the cost of repairing software programs, the problem is also that there were several billion microprocessors sold for use in everything from the microwave oven and VCR you probably have at home, to the control units in cars, airplanes and power plants. Most will probably not use dates or might only be interested in the day of the week which can simply be added from one day to the next. Some might be badly effected. Problem is identifying what will work because it is not date sensitive, what can or must be repaired, what has to be replaced, and what can be worked around. Paul Robinson RFC1394A@AOL.COM (Formerly PAUL@TDR.COM, TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM, TDARCOS@DIGEX.NET and others) "If history teaches us anything, it teaches us that people do not learn the lessons that history teaches us." ------------------------------ From: bonomi@ns2.agresource.com (Robert Bonomi) Subject: Re: GTE Cellular Tries to Hold Dead Man to Contract Date: 8 Jul 1999 11:43:45 GMT Organization: Not Much This makes one thing _awfully_ obvious -- Do *NOT* rely on PAT for legal advice. Facts: _Most_ time-payment contracts have a clause in them that makes the *ENTIRE* amount "immediately due and pauable" upon the death of the person. *ALL* contracts, unless they have _specific_ language in them to the contrary, survive the death of one of the signatory parties. Upon a death, the liability for fulfilling the contract reverts to the *estate* of the person, to be settled out of that person's assets. If there aren't enough assets to settle all the debts, things are handled in what is essentially a bankruptcy liquidation. Before a claim, of any sort, can be paid from the estate assets, there must be verifiable documentation of the debt. A 'verbal only' loan -- the "Hey Jim, can I borrow $20 till payday", or similiar, *is* out-of- luck. Barring 'special circumstances' -- things like significant procedural errors on the part of the executor -- the executor is not personally liable for any debts of the deceased. Debts _do_not_ 'transfer' to the beneficiaries, *unless*they* *voluntarily*accept*them*. The _primary_ job of the executor is to see that all the 'claims' against the deceased -- which are now claims against the *estate* -- are settled; such that the 'free and clear' assets can be distributed to the beneficiaries, as declared in the will, or lacking that, as specified by statute. The actual 'distribution' is a relatively trivial matter -- getting everything identified, and cleared up so that the distribution _can_ be made is the big time-consumer. This entire matter was just (within approximately the last 30 days) discussed in detail in 'misc.legal.moderated'. It should be _trivial_ to find all the special circumstances stuff, etc. on somewhere like Deja News. The cell-phone company _was_ on firm -legal- ground with their first attitude. They, =almost=invariably=, 'voluntarily' release the (now deceased) user from the contract as a matter of public relations policy, there's a budget item for 'good will'. For _real_ grins (not!), try dealing with a long-term "health club" contract, or (even worse) an extended lessons course from a 'martial arts' training studio. Many, albeit _not_ all, of these kinds of places make the *bulk* of their revenues from folks who sign up for services and do _not_ use them. They're usually in small-claims court *every*day*, with a bunch of 'breached' contracts that they're seeking court-ordered enforcement of payment on. I sat through about 50 of these proceedings one day (in virtually _no_ case did the defendant even appear), waiting for a case, where I was a witness, to be called. Death does -not- slow them down, _at_all_. PAT's (mis-i)information, below, is _flat-out_ wrong. as any competent legal counsel will tell anyone. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you for writing. I *did* ask for someone with knowledge on the topic to respond didn't I ... and I am glad you did. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Peter_Simpson@ne.3com.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:34:36 -0400 Subject: Selective Call Screening I think there may be an opportunity for a product here. One that would sit between your phone and your telephone line and allow you to control who gets to make your phone ring. It would: - allow you to program time periods during which certain levels of restriction would apply (dinner, for example ... no "out of area" calls allowed.) - allow you to maintain a list of "blocked" numbers and "desired" numbers. - assign unique "ring patterns" to certain calling numbers. - support "access codes" and default messages for restricted numbers ("sorry, we don't accept unidentified calls" or "if you're not a telemarketer, press 1 now") In short, a device much more powerful than we have seen to date. The technology exists, and I'm sure, as the number of telemarketers continues to increase, so will the market for a device like the one I want :-) Peter ------------------------------ From: Bill Ranck Subject: Re: Weird Wrong Number Calls Date: 8 Jul 1999 13:01:47 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA Bill Levant wrote: > Her calling number is "unavailable", since *69 returns "this call > cannot be returned because it originated from outside the area ..." > We don't have Caller ID (and don't want to invest in it for this > problem anyway). I think that caller ID would not help since *69 uses the same mechanism for retrieving the number. You would get an "unavailable" from caller ID as well. If I'm wrong about that, someone please let me know. > Any ideas on why this is happening, who she might be, or how we can > stop it short of either changing our number or siccing the Annoyance > Call Bureau (do they still have those) on her ? Well, maybe, if you are quick enough to interrupt her before she hangs up you could ask. I think the phone company will track annoyance calls for you. I can think of all sorts of possible reasons why this might be happening, some innocent, some not. > And no, we aren't deadbeats, so she shouldn't be a bill collector or > anything like that. Oh, the bill collectors would definitely want to talk to you, not just hang up. Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center ------------------------------ From: Dave O'Shea Subject: Re: Does Anyone on the West Coast Use Caller ID? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:34:28 -0500 Dean Forrest Wright wrote in message news:telecom19.199.4@ telecom-digest.org: > If the central office "anonymous call blocking" feature is being used, > only calls marked "Private" (that is, those intentionally blocked on a > per-call or per-line basis) will be blocked. "Out-of-Area" calls > (those from PBXs or from areas unequipped for caller ID) are NOT > blocked by this feature. To the best of my knowledge, FCC rules have > mandated that only those lines whose owners make an explicit request > are to be line-blocked. The statement about ACR (anonymous call rejection) and "out of area" calls is correct. Telemarketers have gotten smart, though, and usually do their best to make sure their calls appear as "out of area". At least one RBOC (Ameritech?) is offering a service which intercepts "out of area" calls, and requires the caller to give a voice identification, which is then played for the recipient of the call before making the connection. Of course, I say just ban telemarketing outright. I can recoup lost money from a crummy product, but I *can't* ever recover the time that someone wastes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 99 22:50 PDT From: lauren@vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein) Subject: Calling Number ID in California Greetings. A few facts about Calling Number ID (CNID) here in California: - There is not per-line blocking by default. Customers choose the setting that they want. Given that such a high percentage of numbers here are non-pub/unlisted, it's not surprising that a very high percentage have chosen per-line blocking. There is no recurring charge for your blocking choice, though I believe there are some charges associated with changing it after the initial selection (which I believe may be waived by the telcos in some cases, especially if you're choosing unblocking...) - Usage of CNID in California is fairly low -- logical given the point above. Local telcos have been promoting anonymous call blocking and suggesting in their literature that it's "less hassle" to stay unblocked normally and use per-call blocking when desired, though most subscribers have not chosen to heed this advice. Overall, CNID just hasn't made major inroads here compared with some other areas. - There is no charge to use either per-call blocking or per-call unblocking. - At the risk of rehashing an old discussion, the fundamental flaw with CNID is that it identifies a line at a particular location, NOT the person making a call. An individual or business may wish to make outward calls on private, unlisted lines, while incoming calls are routed through a PBX or switchboard. They may have no problem at all with revealing their identity, but shouldn't be forced to reveal the particular internal number from which they are calling. Similarly, if someone is visiting at someone else's house, or a doctor's office, or whatever, it shouldn't be required that they reveal that location to the callee--it's none of the callee's business *where* the caller happens to be at the moment, and in fact in some situations that information could be very invasive. There are a few situations where CNID even in its current form has proven useful here -- especially in automated forwarding to cellular phones and such. But in all these cases, direct use of the *82 per-call unblocking code can enable the specialized functions when really necessary. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren@vortex.com Moderator, PRIVACY Forum --- http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Host, "Vortex Daily Reality Report & Unreality Trivia Quiz" --- http://www.vortex.com/reality ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:45:21 -0400 From: Stanley Cline Reply-To: sc1@roamer1.org Organization: how, with all the spam? Subject: Re: Cell Phone Companies Go by Own Rules Mike Pollock quoted: > ``send'' button. One industry leader, Sprint PCS, charges for calls > even if there's no answer. Not true. I am a SPCS customer and have never, ever been charged for unanswered calls while in SPCS coverage. However, there are plenty of carriers that charge people ROAMING on their networks for *all* calls (including calls to 611 and sometimes even 911, and calls routed to fraud protection features), or at the very least for busy signals and unanswered calls. These include ALLTEL and US Cellular, among others. > Even among companies that only charge when a call goes through, > including AirTouch, Bell Atlantic Mobile, BellSouth Mobility and > Nextel Communications, the meter starts running from ``send,'' not > from ``hello.'' About the only carriers that start billing from the time the other end answers are GSM carriers, such as Powertel (I'm also their customer) and Omnipoint. Two major GSM carriers, PacBell and VoiceStream, do send-to-end billing, however. GSM phones do not tie up a channel to deliver busy signals; they do tie up a channel during ringing time, but IIRC, GSM networks can be configured to not do that either. SC ------------------------------ From: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au (David Clayton) Subject: Re: Cell Phone Companies Go by Own Rules Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:29:13 GMT Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Mike Pollock contributed the following: > Most mobile phone companies charge from the moment the caller hits the > ``send'' button. One industry leader, Sprint PCS, charges for calls > even if there's no answer. > Since companies generally charge for a full minute even when less than > a minute is used, those few seconds when the phone is ringing could > inflate a monthly bill quite a bit. In Australia mobile calls (for new contracts) are now being charged by the second (with a flagfall) rather than in 30 second blocks (which had a fair amount of the consumers grinding their teeth at paying for something they didn't use). And if they tried to charge for no answer calls ... well I just don't want to think of the outcry! Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ From: Sue Subject: RelTec Termination Blocks & Alternatives Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:26:01 -0700 Organization: PA. USA Hi, I have been looking for Reliable (also called RelTec) Termination Blocks ... part no. 2377R-250-AB Reliable cannot manufacture them in the time frame that we need them, so I have been looking for alternatives. These blocks are pre-wired, and have a "quick clip" termination .... we call it bifurcated. We like these blocks because we are able to bridge dial tones and it is simple to monitor (you don't need a special tool or adapter). If anyone has any ideas -- I'm not interested in AT&T 110's -- I would appreciate it. I have been looking at Krone, but have not seen them in person. Thanks, Sue ------------------------------ From: steve@sellcom.com (Steve Winter) Subject: Moderator's View on Net Commerce Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 06:25:43 GMT Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM Reply-To: steve@sellcom.com TELECOM Digest Editor wrote to Gregory L. Abbott saying something like: > there are still some dreadful problems with lack of security and > the casual handling of personal information. I do not think credit > card ordering on the net is safe at all; there are lots of problems > with that. I would never want to use my credit card on the net on > any regular basis and/or tie it in with my name and address. But, Pat, would you then not take that same credit card and hand it to a minimum wage employee in some store (or over the phone)? Credit card companies have a lot of procedures in place to protect cardholders. What are you afraid might happen (that would not be refunded to you if fraud became evident)? Regards, Steve http://www.sellcom.com Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices. SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering Listed at http://www.thepubliceye.com as SELLCOM New Brick Wall "non-MOV" surge protection [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: In an actual, physical store setting, there are several safety features available, regardless of the wages paid to the clerk or the clerk's own ethical standards of behavior. For starters, I can notice if two charges slips instead of one happen to be 'accidentally' imprinted, and call the clerk's attention to it. Which is not to say I cannot get my money back later, its just easier for someone who is on a limited income and budget like myself to not have to take that extra step at a later time. On the net, if someone is 'sniffing' for credit cards, it is not the fault at all of the merchant that someone intercepted my number, in effect printing up a charge slip twice, but I cannot even tell it is being done or take steps to correct it. Look at what happened to amazon.com recently. Some guy in South America or someplace sniffed out the bank account numbers of several of their customers then looted all the customers' money. Customer finds out about it only when the money is long since gone. In a store I can *see* the clerk attempt to do those things and put a stop to it. amazon.com of course has no intention of making any restitution; they didn't steal the money. SSL just simply is not a very safe way to pass account numbers. Oh, the businesses on the net are trying to convince everyone it is, since that is about the only way they have to do business at present, but based on what we know about net technology today, SSL just doesn't cut it. Because in an actual store the merchant's agreement with his credit card processor will likely call for the presence of actual plastic, and a form which has been imprinted with numbers and signed by an actual customer, there is less risk of later abuse. If I make an actual purchase, an imprint of the card and a signature are available. If then at a later time a second charge comes through with a sales draft that only has the handwritten number on it and a bogus looking signature, it is very obvious that fraud has occurred. Since I was actually in the physical premises transacting business, I know where they are physically located and can return if necessary to discuss with them dissatisfaction about the merchandise and/or some fraud which appears to have taken place on my account. Two, I can examine the merchandise in real time, up close, prior to paying for it. I can see how it works, if it will function as desired for the situation, if the clothing will fit me, if the flowers are really as nice at hand as they appear in the picture on the computer screen, if the people appear to be as honest in person as they purport to be when hidden behind their keyboard, and things like that. You may say well, if the widget does not work as you thought, or will not work in your application, or if the clothes do not fit you or if the flowers are all dead and wilted, just return them and get your money back. That's all very well and good, but I would not be out the money to start with if I had been able to test the widget, try on the clothing or smell and admire the flowers. If I shop via the computer, you are going to go in your stockroom to fill my order and possibly pick the one item you've been trying to get rid of for six months and foist that off on me. If I come in your store on the other hand, I will look through the shelves and stacks of items and pick the one *I* want, regardless of what you may have laying around that is stained, or partially not working, or returned by a previous purchaser without its manual and a couple of its parts (i.e. power cord or a knob) missing. No fault of yours maybe that the previous customer bought the item, got his dirty hands all over it then returned it to you for credit, but you still want to get rid of that one. You are going to charge my credit card the minute that merchandise is being processed, and you are going to make part of the terms of sale that it is my problem if/when the delivery company actually gets it here and if they get it here in one piece or not. Don't keep bothering us here at the web site about it, go talk to your local Fedex office. My experience has generally been to date that if one does business with a merchant in an actual physical location where one can examine the merchandise first, pay for it, take it away with him and if it is necessary, return it and receive credit for it, things just seem to go a little smoother. There are exceptions of course; there are stores I would never want to go in to, or have anything to do with. My exper- ience has generally been to date that if fraud is going to occur, it will most likely occur on the net rather than in person. On the net, it appears fraud is evenly distributed about fifty/fifty between customer and merchant. In a physical setting the ratio is closer to about ninety/ ten with customers doing most of the rip-offs while the merchant, because of his situation as a sitting duck where anyone can find him less likely to perpetrate a scam. So you say well fine, the credit card company is there to protect you, and the same rules generally apply to 'debit cards' issued by banks under the VISA/MC brand name, so even if the payment comes out of your checking account at the time of purchase you should be covered, right? Whether its the clerk in the store who steals your money, the store which sells you shoddy merchandise or some charlatan setting up shop on the net, the credit card/bank people will make it all good, right? Let me quote you an excerpt from a 'not-for-publication' letter I got in email from someone a couple weeks ago ... (you know I get a truck load of mail everyday, right, from people I've never heard of in my life who write, 'Dear Mr. Townson, blah-blah and etc, please tell me what to do ...') This older -- by her own admission -- lady, living on a fixed income (not all netizens work for a large company in an executive position making a hundred thousand dollars per year with six computers at their home or are employed by universities to sit in their office and meditate most of the day inbetween checking news on their computer and paid several thousand dollars per month in salary for doing same) wrote and said this: From: Witheld at request Subject: Doing Business on the Net Date: 30 Jun 1999 07:45:00 CDT My kids were on my case for the longest time to get a computer, learn about the Internet and use it. They brought me a computer so I started using it and looking at things on the net. I was at one site where they were taking a survey and as their 'way of saying thanks' for taking part they offered to send me some reference books for the cost of shipping. Before I retired, I was a school teacher, and I do enjoy reading and having up-to- date reference materials in my personal library. Their books arrived in a week or two; it was really not the kind of quality I wanted, so I just tossed them out and figured you what you pay for and all I had paid them was five dollars 'shipping' fee, or so I thought. On the Friday night which started the three-day Memorial Day weekend I went to the (town name) bus station to get a ticket; I was going to my daughter's place for a couple days to visit, and my debit card from (bank name) would not work, which I could not understand at all. I tried to call the bank, which was already closed for the weekend and all I could reach was the automated service which reads off your balance and your most recent transactions. According to the bank, I had a balance of zero, with two recent ACH (automated clearing house) withdrawals that zeroed me out. I was able to reach someone at the bank Saturday morning, and all they were able to tell me was that 'someone' had authorized the automatic debits, they did not know who. They said ACH was closed on weekends but they would investigate it for me on Tuesday and find out what happened. On Tuesday I got a call from someone at ACH who said they would look into it, and the next day, Wednesday, they called again and said they would reverse the charge and put the money back. On Thursday it was actually in my account and considered 'clear' for use. Meanwhile, there I sat from Friday night through Tuesday morning with a couple dollars in loose change to do with as I pleased. You can't argue very well with an ATM machine which says your balance is zero and won't dispense a couple of twenty dollar bills or the price of a bus ticket. On Tuesday the lady at the bank said to me, 'just go ahead and write a check for cash; we know you, we would always pay your checks, or come down and I will okay the teller cashing a check for you.' I do not really like the idea of kiting checks, its dishonest, but a guy at the store near me took a check for some groceries. On Wednesday, the ACH people said the money had been taken by the company on the internet web site where I took that survey, but they said I need not worry about it, that they had ways of their own to deal with those 'fraud hives which are springing up all over the net' which is the term they used to describe it. They were most nice about it and effecient, but that was little help to me over the three day weekend just passed when they were closed and I had a couple dollars in dimes and nickles to last me a few days. An old saying goes like this, 'Burn me once, shame on you for taking advantage of my stupidity. Burn me a second time, shame on me for not learning a lesson the first time.' I will be very reluctant to ever again give any personal data about myself or any financial information on the internet. I went back to that web site just curious to see what they would have to say to me now when I told them I found out what they had done [editor's note: she is still a bit naive about the web] and all I got there was a mostly blank screen with a large number '404' in the center and a message saying that the web page I was requesting had been removed or expelled or something like that and that no forwarding or other information was available. It did not say it could not be found, it said the people who own the internet computer network discontinued service to that company, erased all of their web pages and would not allow them to be there any longer. [editor's note: I assume she is referring to the ISP at the web site where the scam was operating] I have been reading your telephone newsletter for awhile now because when my husband was alive he worked for the (name of) Bell Telephone Company in (town). Please do not print this or at least do not use my name. I do not want to get mixed up in any trouble or have any more fuss with it, but I did want to mention what happened to me." ---------------------- Does that answer your questions, Steve? No one is saying *you* or any net business in particular is bad. Just the insecurity of supposedly 'secure transactions' combined with society's bent for defrauding one another when its easy to hide, and the inherent inability for a consumer to touch, examine and test the product being purchased when on the net create a very volatile situation, one that I don't wish to be part of. Not only that, but late last night, when it was time for my midnight nourishment, I waddled off down the street to the corner gas station and convenience store, for my supply of gas station style microwave sandwhiches, cigarettes and pastries for this morning's breakfast only to reach the cash register and discover I had left my wallet with my ATM card and all my money where I live. The clerk (and what do you expect in those places overnight?) was an eighteen year old kid earning minimum wage, on probation for some petty offense some- where. He said to me "Oh, that's okay Mr. Townson. I know you and you are a very cool guy. You can bring the money to my boss in the morning or to me tomorrow night. We trust you. Those doughnuts you have are left over from this morning, so I will only charge you half price." Any businesses on the net using that same protocol? (snicker) PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:09:21 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Publisher Must Lay Down the Law by Oscar S. Cisneros 3:00 a.m. 6.Jul.99.PDT While the press and the tech world concentrated on the Microsoft antitrust trial, a quieter legal battle was being waged for access to society's source code: the full text of the law. The case involved West Publishing, a tremendously powerful legal-information vendor that claimed a copyright on law's written word as printed in its publications. For generations, the Minnesota-based company jealously guarded its role as the almost exclusive publisher of federal court opinions. http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/20492.html ------------------------------ From: Virgil Calejesan Subject: Need Help Identifying Switchboards Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:27:25 PDT Hello, I'm working at the Louisville Science Center of Kentucky and we have in our Collections 2 switchboards: a Western Electric PBX switchboard and a magneto switchboard. Besides that, I have not been able to find any information on them and I'm not even sure of their names. I was wondering if you had any information on switchboards and switchboard history in general or if you could point me in any direction. I was hoping I could find pictures of switchboards so I could identify which ones we have. The magneto switchboard has no labels or markings on it and I can't find many leads. Thank you for your time. Virgil Calejesan 727 West Main Street Louisville, KY 40202 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Readers, please assist this man with whatever help you can give. Our telephone museum exhibit located at http://telecom-digest.org/tribute might also have some information. PAT] ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Last Laugh! His Wife is a Computer Hacker Date: 7 Jul 1999 03:04:04 GMT Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.4NET On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 03:12:08 -0700, dialtone@vcn.bc.ca allegedly said: > GRAFTON, Ohio -- A woman tired of her husband's online chatting > became a computer hacker. Ah, yes. This happened just around the corner from me. :) Was reported a couple days ago in the _Cleveland Plain Dealer_. Moral of the story (at least as reported by the PeeDee): keep a check on your Internet usage, don't let it become an addiction ... > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Wow! The poor guy ... I hope he was not > injured in the hacker attack on his computer. He may have gotten off > sort of lucky; that battle axe he is married to might have decided to > to use the ax on him instead! The female of the species can be very > vicious sometimes. I think she sliced the power cord. Which, when you think about it, might not have been a good idea. Anyone know if stainless steel is a good conductor of electricity? ;) > The poor guy ... I wonder if his wife caught him, ummm, you know ... PAT Yuck. *shudder* North Shore Technologies: We don't just build websites. We build relationships. (But not with spammers. Spammers get billed a minimum of $1000 for cleanup!) 888.480.4NET [active now, forwards to my pager] - 216.619.2NET [as of 7/1/99] Proud host of the Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail - www.spamfree.org [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, one good thing about hot chat all night on AOL; it keeps the guys busy and occupied in a wholesome way and out of the commercial web sites where they might get their money stolen or their identities abused. Trying to keep a straight face here, but I really better close this issue while I am ahead. PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V19 #200 ******************************