From ???@??? Thu Oct 26 11:17:09 2000 Date: 25 Oct 2000 23:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: <20001026030701.7330.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #101 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 6088c9de901e6fe00b575cf40320e16c Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, October 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 101 In this issue: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? 10-24-00 -- ACLU Action Update: Protect Personal Information Privacy! Re: Wireless local, then cellular Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) AP story: Industry group calls for cell phone privacy rules Re: Broadband Could be Hackland mandatory measured service in california uswestmail.net Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: mandatory measured service in california Re: service theft problem Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing California Software Jobs / Exciting Company / Nice Area Re: "509.533.1504" Telephony Discussion Forum Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing Nortel: The billion-dollar 'new' guy Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing Re: mandatory measured service in california Anti-Leak Bill Alarms Media, Divides GOP New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? 10/25/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Oct 2000 06:34:27 -0400 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Linc, On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Linc Madison wrote: [snip] > The fact remains, there is NO REASON to disallow 1+10d on local calls > in 99+% of the switches in the United States. As for 0+10d, yes, it > should just go through. I had an occasion just a few months ago in > Dallas where I needed to dial a local number with operator assistance. > The ONLY way to do that was by dialing "zero-minus"; that's absurd. If > someone is silly enough to dial 0+10d on a local call and then just > enter a calling card number, or make the call collect, then that's just > too bad. Actually, we had a service in Canada like that: make a calling card local call from a payhone (rather than using a quarter). Was popular amoungst travelling salespeople. Something more relevant to the current situation, say, in Dallas? Well, when you go through an NPA split, you have to dial 10D local instead of 7D or permit 7D within the NPA and require 10D outside. When you have a large city which has multiple NPAs, 10D calls are local as well as 7D so you can no longer use the prefix-method to determine whether a call is local within the NPA (7D) or local outside the NPA (10D) after only the first 7 digits have been dialed (because of NXX NPA's such as 972). Therefore, you just require everyone to dial 10D within or outside of their NPA. But, for a while you want to warn people who dial 7D that they must dial 10D so you do short timeout after 7D and go to the "must dial 10D" announcement. This is that case in Dallas. But you still want to do long PSPD timeout when prefixed by a 1..... ...and then when the switch serves both 972 and 214.... I used to do translations for DMS-100 and this was a nightmare. Usually you couldn't have the best of all worlds. After people in Dallas are trained to dial 10D instead of 7D (and it may take some several years) then you may be able to dial 1+10D local. But, back to the dialing directory, normally switches are provisioned with ``reverse translations'' which can take a 7 or 10 D number from the CLID register and provide ACB (automatic callback) service. These translations are written by the same techs which write the ``forward translations'' so they match. For any given switch either the forward or the reverse could be flavor of the day. - -- Brian F. G. Bidulock http://www.openss7.org/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 08:44:10 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: 10-24-00 -- ACLU Action Update: Protect Personal Information Privacy! TO: ACLU Action Network FR: Jared Feuer, Internet Organizer DT: October 24, 2000 Despite the government's promise that Social Security Numbers (SSN) would only be used for administering the pension program, SSN's have become the key to unlocking some of the most personal and private information about you. Instead of taking strong steps to restore individual privacy by barring the purchase or sale of these numbers, however, Congress is considering legislation that would permit the continued erosion of individual privacy. In the closing days of the congressional session, Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH) has inserted a provision he calls "Amy Boyer's Law" into one of the few remaining spending bills. He touts the measure as a way of curtailing the availability of Social Security Numbers by barring their display for any purpose. Unfortunately, Gregg's bill is riddled with loopholes and exceptions for special interests that would render its privacy protection meaningless and violate the First Amendment while doing so. Realizing that the legislation was written by and for information brokers, every privacy organization that has taken a position on the legislation has come out against the provision. Take Action! You can learn more about the proposed measure and send a FREE FAX to your members of Congress, urging that they oppose this legislation from our action alert at: http://www.aclu.org/action/infoprivacy106.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 08:54:48 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Wireless local, then cellular Steve Sobol wrote: > GTE did here too, and it was called Tele-Go. > No roaming allowed... > You got a base station that plugged into your landline. When in range of > the base station, your phone calls went through the landline. Otherwise they > were cellular and you got charged airtime. > It was a great idea! I had an Oki 1325. At various times they also used > Nokia 100's and a couple other models. > This was back in 1993. I haven't seen anything similar recently. I read an article just recently where a startup company in (I think) Massachusetts is marketing a device that connects a cell phone to your house telephone wires. Basically, it's the opposite of what you describe. The service is pure cellular, and the device lets regular wired phones to access the cell service when the cell phone is in its cradle. It provides ring voltage as needed and translates the dialtones into the data connector on the cell phone. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 09:02:38 -0400 From: John Adams Subject: Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing Thanks Al for the response (excellent as usual). I would also suggest that the 2nd edition of the Travis Russell book on SS7 may also be a useful reference for Tony as well as S72275, notes on the network from Bell (oops) Telcordia. Al Varney wrote: > In article <200010202011.NAA06710@seagull.rtd.com>, > Tony Jones wrote: > >I have a question on how bearer/cic routing occurs within and between > > > With SS7, nothing fundamental changes, except that at the point the > switch would normally outpulse digits to the next switch, it packages > those digits and other information into an SS7 ISUP message and sends it > to the Point Code associated with the outgoing trunk that was already > selected. The Point Code is an SS7 label identifying the switch at > the other end of the trunk. > > > Al Varney - just my opinion > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- John "Jack" Adams, Lucent Technologies, Inc +1.732.224.8045 +1.732.224.8077 (fax) jackadams@lucent.com 200 Shulz Drive, Room 3A-109C Red Bank, NJ 07701 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 12:07:13 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) >When it became possible to order 800 numbers that only work from specified >exchanges, Enterprise and Zenith pretty much disappeared. There's two other reasons Enterprise, Zenith, and WX numbers disappeared: one was that they required calling the operator, which people don't like to do. The other is that they were really expensive. Each call was charged as a full-rate collect call, far more than a sent-paid 800 call. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 12:27:22 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: AP story: Industry group calls for cell phone privacy rules By Kalpana Srinivasan, Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) - Before long, cell phones will give wireless companies a very good idea of the whereabouts of customers and even make it possible to market services to users based on where they like to shop and eat. But before companies take advantage of these new business opportunities, the wireless industry wants the government to craft privacy rules so that consumers know when information about their location is being used or shared. http://foxnews.com/national/1023/d_ap_1023_134.sml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 14:26:21 -0400 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Broadband Could be Hackland Followup to: By author: Monty Solomon In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > "Apparently, some hacker was getting into people's computers and > posting notes on their Windows desktops," Gibson said. "The notes > were telling people that their computer was insecure, and that they > should go to GRC.com. So the FBI said, 'Steve, did you do this?'" > I love the fact that Pac$mell are trying to use this to make dynamic addresses and PPPoE sound like a win, where it really is a way to sell the same service for twice the price with decent IP number supply. -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 15:01:25 -0400 From: Babu Mengelepouti Subject: mandatory measured service in california > Date: 19 Oct 2000 15:20:43 -0400 > From: Clarence Dold > Subject: Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in > > Leonard Erickson wrote: > > : It *may* go along with the mindset that allows them to accept > : *mandatory* residential measured service. > > Which mandatory measured residential service would that be? > I've been in California for a while, and I've never had measured service. In the SF and LA areas, you can dial a local call as 7 or 10 digits and still be charged (because it's "local toll band" or whatever). In the Seattle area, I can't dial a call as anything other than 11 digits if it's long distance. It simply won't go through. Therefore, I always know when I'm being billed for a call. The situation is similar in Oregon. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 15:01:26 -0400 From: Babu Mengelepouti Subject: uswestmail.net >Date: 24 Oct 2000 01:07:49 -0400 >From: "Tad Cook" Subject: >What happened to US West Free Email? >Before (and after) the Qwest takeover, US West had a free web-based email >service (similar to Hotmail) at http://www.uswestmail.net/index.html. Now >suddenly I cannot find it, and can't find it on the Qwest website. >Anyone know what happened, or what the new URL is? It got hacked Friday night. The page was replaced with a mostly unintelligible rant about Napster. The site was semi-restored today. You can gain access to the page by going to http://mail.uswestmail.net; http://www.uswestmail.net links to a broken, non-working logon page. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 15:43:34 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? In article <20001025053415.C14908@openswitch.org>, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > I used to do translations for DMS-100 and this was a nightmare. > Usually you couldn't have the best of all worlds. After people in > Dallas are trained to dial 10D instead of 7D (and it may take some > several years) then you may be able to dial 1+10D local. Why is 10D versus 7D relevant? (Besides that, the people in Dallas are already COMPLETELY trained to dial 10D on local calls. They've been doing it for about a year and a half now, and it doesn't take "several years," it takes several WEEKS, at most.) Dallas hasn't allowed 1+7d in many, many years -- not since the introduction of N0/1X prefixes some time in the late 1980s or early 1990s. There is therefore no longer any need to make any provision for someone who might still be dialing 1+7d -- anything that starts with 1+ (other than special codes like 101XXXX or 11XX, etc.) can be immediately checked against valid area codes. If the user dials 1-495, you can immediately intercept, because there is no NPA 495. I'll say it again: there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to prohibit 1+10d on local calls in Dallas. It's in violation of industry standards, and it serves no valid purpose. In fact, there is no reason for Texas to wait any longer than the time it takes to have the switches reprogrammed, to require that 1+10d be allowed for local calls, everywhere with capable switching equipment. (Incidentally, to clarify regarding another comment in this thread: Dallas does permit 0+10d from pay phones, because someone might use a calling card instead of coins. 0+10d is prohibited from POTS phones, where it would never make sense to use a calling card.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 15:55:01 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: mandatory measured service in california In article <39F20807.C829AF00@vcn.bc.ca>, Babu Mengelepouti wrote: > In the SF and LA areas, you can dial a local call as 7 or 10 digits > and still be charged (because it's "local toll band" or whatever). > In the Seattle area, I can't dial a call as anything other than 11 > digits if it's long distance. It simply won't go through. > Therefore, I always know when I'm being billed for a call. The > situation is similar in Oregon. Small quibble: you cannot dial ANY call WHATSOEVER as straight 10d in California. ALL calls are either 1+10d or 7d/1+10d. Larger quibble: some 7d toll calls in California are much farther than "local toll band." You can dial from El Centro to Bridgeport as 7d, and that's about 400 miles and inter-LATA besides. The rule in California is very simple: All calls in the SAME area code can be dialed as 7d or 1+10d (your choice), without regard to local/toll/zone/LATA/whatever. All calls to OTHER area codes must be dialed as 1+10d, without regard to local/toll/zone/whatever. Inverness is in my area code, but it's toll. I dial NXX-XXXX. Oakland is in a different area code, but it's local (well, except for the Oakland-Trinidad exchange, which is mostly San Leandro). I dial 1-510-NXX-XXXX. Unfortunately, due to code conflicts, California can't implement toll alerting until we have mandatory 10d on all local calls. Some time after the dust settles on mandatory 1+10d on all calls, we can move to 10d local (with 1+10d optional), 1+10d toll. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 16:33:56 -0400 From: Keelan Lightfoot Subject: Re: service theft problem > More likely a multi-pair cable running down a common wall. Probably > someone directly above or below you on another floor or adjacent. When I first moved into my appartment building, the phone jack in the master bedroom didn't work, so I set about to fix the problem. I followed a daisy-chain of cheap punch down phone jacks all with loose wires back to the phone jack near my kitchen. I removed this plate from the wall, and found behind it: 1 - unterminated 1 pair cable, presumably for a second line if I want one 2 conduits at the top of the opening in the wall, with about 6 1 pair cables coming out of one conduit, 2 of which go to my phones, the rest of which go back up the wall in the second conduit. I am pretty sure those are the lines for the other appartments - great security! Who designs these things? (Probably the same person that designed the useless ventilation system in the bathroom that results in a really wet atmosphere (that wrecks things) that can't be vented because the smoke alarm is very sensitive, and very near the bathroom door) - - Keelan - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 17:02:26 -0400 From: tony@rtd.com Subject: Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing In article <39F6D8E6.C25E6B30@lucent.com> John Adams wrote: : Thanks Al for the response (excellent as usual). I would also suggest : that the 2nd edition of the Travis Russell book on SS7 may also be : a useful reference for Tony as well as S72275, notes on the network from : Bell (oops) Telcordia. It's certainly useful to know that nothing is fundamentally different between SS7 and previous signalling systems in terms of how the bearer is setup. I have read the both editions of the Russell book. My previous question was unfortunately somewhat vague (the real question was buried inside but everyone seemed to skip over it -- my fault). I'm curious on how an IXC (1 or 10* services) interconnects with a LEC (how two networks "meet" so to speak). Is there a mandated topology/other regulations or is it a collection of ad-hoq LEC/IXC agreements (similar to IP peering). I can speculate based on the hop to hop nature of routing that IXC Foo *could* connect voice capacity to just one of LEC Bar's class 5 switches and the LEC would route traffic for this carrier code to this switch before transiting between networks. I can also imagine a scheme where LECs and IXCs interconnect at defined transit tandems, similar to IP NAPs. I know very little about the whole carrier code/carrier selection and routing process. I'm hoping GR-394 Switching System Generic Requirements for Interexchange Carrier Interconnection will contain useful info. I'm mainly interested in how all of the above typically works when both networks use SS7 signalling. Thanks for everyones comments. Much appreciated. Tony - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 17:15:58 -0400 From: TechJobs@GlobalEsoftXXremoveXX.com (Steven Fletcher) Subject: California Software Jobs / Exciting Company / Nice Area If you are an expienced person with software skills, and live near San Juan Capistrano, California, then please check out our web site and see if you are a fit. http://GlobalEsoft.Com/employ1.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 18:17:32 -0400 From: "Chris Ornellas" Subject: Re: "509.533.1504" Perhaps it is a "modem hacker", like the one on the movie "War Games". someone has their computer call a huge list of numbers to see if there is a modem on the other end. and at the end of the day, the computer spits out a report of lines that responded with modem sounds. then the hacker would call back to these numbers using a communications software to hack into a computer or dial up network. Its a possibility!!!!!!!!!!! "Linda" wrote in message news:39F5ECAE.B635F971@teleport.com... > Hello, > > I too have been receiving early morning calls from the number > 509.533.1504. When I try to call the number back it just rings and > rings....no one answers. It wouldn't be so bad if we weren't day > sleepers. > > Who is this person or people that persist in calling us? I am starting > to feel threatened. > > I answered the phone twice to get no response, and when I checked who > had called it was: 509.533.1504. What's going on??? > > Thanks for this website and the opportunity it affords to possibly get > an answer. > > L.M. southwest washington > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 18:18:04 -0400 From: "Keith Harper" Subject: Telephony Discussion Forum ** NEW ** The Computer Telephony Forum http://www.TelephonyIndex.co.uk/forum/forum.html The Computer Telephony Forum is for anyone wishing to obtain help or advice on telephony related issues. Subject areas include IVR, CTI, VoIP, Audiotex, Telemedia and Computer Telephony. As the forum is new, your comments / suggestions would be most welcome. Best Regards, The Computer Telephony Forum. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 18:19:07 -0400 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Subject: Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing Tony, On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, tony@rtd.com wrote: [snip] > > I'm curious on how an IXC (1 or 10* services) interconnects with a LEC > (how two networks "meet" so to speak). > > Is there a mandated topology/other regulations or is it a collection of > ad-hoq LEC/IXC agreements (similar to IP peering). Regulations impose topology in some jurisdications, but most effects on topology result from tariff levels. IXCs normalling interfaces into a LATA at a POP (Point-of-presence) for trunks and a SPOI (signalling point of interface) for SS7 signalling. Normally, an IXC's POP will be on one or more AT (Access Tandem) switches which are owned by the LEC. For high traffic volume areas, it may be possible or more attractive to interconnect to a number (or all) of the LEC's local exchanges as well. Your speculation below is basically correct. > > I can speculate based on the hop to hop nature of routing that IXC Foo > *could* connect voice capacity to just one of LEC Bar's class 5 switches > and the LEC would route traffic for this carrier code to this switch > before transiting between networks. I can also imagine a scheme where > LECs and IXCs interconnect at defined transit tandems, similar to IP NAPs. > > I know very little about the whole carrier code/carrier selection and > routing process. GR-394 will help a bit: at least it references other documents and you will need it for the SS7 signalling interface anyway. > > I'm hoping GR-394 Switching System Generic Requirements for Interexchange > Carrier Interconnection will contain useful info. I'm mainly interested in > how all of the above typically works when both networks use SS7 signalling. > For the signalling, IXCs and LECs interconnect using SS7 across a SPOI (signalling point of interface). SPOIs for large carrier interconnects are normally B/D-link interconnect between STPs in either network. In some cases, an SS7 clearing-house network (such as Illuminet or SNET) may be involved in the middle. A-link interconnect is rare, too costly. Your might find one of the tutorials at the iec.org website useful. - -- Brian F. G. Bidulock http://www.openss7.org/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 18:23:44 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Nortel: The billion-dollar 'new' guy Nortel: The billion-dollar 'new' guy One week ago, Nortel Networks (NT) announced it signed a four-year, $1 billion deal to provide optical Internet equipment to Denver-based Aerie Networks (see "Nortel in $1 billion optic deal"). Aerie plans to use Nortel products to build up a 20,000-mile broadband network across the U.S. http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/ebiz/story?id=39f0cdea0 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 19:01:38 -0400 From: varney@ihgp2.ih.lucent.com (Al Varney) Subject: Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing In article <200010252101.OAA21528@seagull.rtd.com>, wrote: >In article <39F6D8E6.C25E6B30@lucent.com> John Adams wrote: >: Thanks Al for the response (excellent as usual). I would also suggest >: that the 2nd edition of the Travis Russell book on SS7 may also be >: a useful reference for Tony as well as S72275, notes on the network from ^^^^^^ Jack meant SR-2275, which provides way more than just Equal Access interconnection info. -- but it is a good overview of the LOCAL telco network. >: Bell (oops) Telcordia. > >It's certainly useful to know that nothing is fundamentally different >between SS7 and previous signalling systems in terms of how the bearer >is setup. >I'm curious on how an IXC (1 or 10* services) interconnects with a LEC >(how two networks "meet" so to speak). If you know how it works for MF trunks, it's the same for SS7 -- except you also have an STP-to-STP interface between the networks. >Is there a mandated topology/other regulations or is it a collection of >ad-hoq LEC/IXC agreements (similar to IP peering). There are mandates (from the FCC/Judge Green) which apply to both MF and SS7 trunking. There are TARIFFs that define the IXC interface to a specific LEC -- they are all a tiny bit different between RBOCs/GTE, and CLECs/Independents have even more flexibility. >I can speculate based on the hop to hop nature of routing that IXC Foo >*could* connect voice capacity to just one of LEC Bar's class 5 switches >and the LEC would route traffic for this carrier code to this switch >before transiting between networks. I can also imagine a scheme where >LECs and IXCs interconnect at defined transit tandems, similar to IP NAPs. Basically an IXC interconnects at one (or more) defined tandem interface points (each state has different rules for point-of-interface, almost always called point-of-presence). IXCs can optionally interconnect to individual Class 5 switches. It is "illegal" to route IXC traffic from one Class 5 switch to an IXC via another Class 5 switch (and most Class 5 switches would reject the route-via-tandem signaling involved anyway). It is "illegal" to route IXC traffic into a LEC tandem/EO and back out to an IXC interface. (Both are limited because billing records are not made at every switch, and they assume the topography is standardized.) Equal Access rules (made in analog switching days) also permit only one intermediate tandem between an EO and the IXC switch in either the originating or terminating LATA. This makes MF setup time more predictable and also allows the IXC to avoid exceeding the ITU-T rules for the maximum total number of switches between any called and calling party. (The IXC can assume there are at most 2 switches involved on the LEC end of a connection.) >I know very little about the whole carrier code/carrier selection and >routing process. One point to keep in mind: SS7 message routing doesn't care about LEC vs. IXC distinctions. The messages (absent some SCCP kludges) are routed by Point Codes, and know nothing about carrier codes/selection. That's ALL done by hunting/selecting the "right" trunk circuit. That circuit, if an ISUP trunk, will have a far-end point code and ISUP cic associated with it. The point code/cic is stuffed into each ISUP message sent to the switch at the other end of the voice circuit. The switch receiving the ISUP message will translate the sender's point code plus the ISUP cic into an internal identifier for a specific circuit -- and it better be associated with the other end of the originally-selected circuit, or the circuit won't work for ISUP. The ISUP "cic" is just an agreed-upon identifier for a specific circuit between two switches. The same "identifier" value can be used for identifying circuits between one of those switches and a third switch -- it's unique only went combined with the point codes of the two switches at the ends of the circuit. That is, Point Code A + Point Code B + CIC R will identify a unique circuit between switches A and B. Point Code B + Point Code A + CIC R will identify that same circuit. Point Code A + Point Code C + CIC R will identify some OTHER circuit. >I'm hoping GR-394 Switching System Generic Requirements for Interexchange >Carrier Interconnection will contain useful info. I'm mainly interested in >how all of the above typically works when both networks use SS7 signalling. GR-394 has requirements for LEC Class 4/5 switches -- but presumes you know something about the network architecture. The best Telcordia docs for your needs: GR-905-CORE, long title, basically THE definition of the interconnection between STPs and Switches for MTP and ISUP signaling to/from an IXC/INC. The basis for many "network interconnect" tariffs. GR-690-CORE, LSSGR: Access Interconnection FSD 20-24-0000 The original MF interconnection scheme between RBOCs and IXCs, except for Operator interconnection, from the LEC network's point of view. Updated to include SS7 ISUP. Includes portions of the reasoning/history behind the architecture. Indicates what's signaled where both at the IXC interface and between LEC switches. Also covers International and World Zone 1 routing/signaling. Together, these will give a very good overview of SS7 interconnection. To see how assumptions change architectures and signaling, see GR-145-CORE, Interconnection of Wireless Networks (different rules, different tariffs, different assumptions on billing) Al Varney - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 19:07:24 -0400 From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: mandatory measured service in california :> From: Clarence Dold :> Which mandatory measured residential service would that be? :> I've been in California for a while, and I've never had measured service. Babu Mengelepouti wrote: : In the SF and LA areas, you can dial a local call as 7 or 10 digits and : still be charged (because it's "local toll band" or whatever). In the This has to do with dialing patterns, and has nothing to do with "mandatory measured service". There is measured residential service available for local calls, where a call to the local area is charged... I can't remember if it's by the call, or by the minute. But it is certainly not mandatory for residential use. It is the default for business, but not residential. - -- - --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 19:10:00 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Anti-Leak Bill Alarms Media, Divides GOP Anti-Leak Bill Alarms Media, Divides GOP Media organizations and civil libertarians are alarmed by new legislation criminalizing leaks of all "properly classified" government information, predicting that it will have a chilling effect on free speech and public debate. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A141-2000Oct23.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 19:12:59 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft New U.S. Web service warns of identity theft WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Web-based system aimed at fighting identity theft debuted Monday while U.S. regulators mulled new ways of helping disentangle victims from this growing scourge of the Internet age. Privista Inc., a New York start-up allied with credit bureau Equifax, rolled out ID Guard, which will be offered free for life to consumers signing up by Dec. 31 at www.privista.com. http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/s/20001023/techinternetidentity.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 20:35:28 -0400 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? 24 Oct 2000 20:40:07 -0400 Linc Madison wrote: >Alas, no. There are still huge areas of the NANP that want to protect >you from accidentally making a local call that you thought was going to >cost money. Texas and Georgia are very bad about that, and I'm sure >there are at least a few other states. If you dial 1+10d on a local >call, you will get an intercept recording telling you, "It is not >necessary to dial a 0 or a 1 when placing this call. Please hang up and >try your call again," or something to that effect. This has been the case in Washington state, but it was announced on local media that later this year it will be permissable to dial 1+ on any call local or toll. It makes sense really. I asked when they introduced the new area codes 425 and 253 a couple of years ago why they didn't allow 1+ on local calls and I was told that it was because the local telcos (principally GTE) didn't want to go to the trouble of using translation tables to indicate what was toll and what was not. At any rate we're supposed to get 1+ ability on local calls later this year. It may be around the time of the overlay or just before. At least we only have to dial 10 digits on a local call in overlay areas :) - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 20:52:28 -0400 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? On 25 Oct 2000 15:43:34 -0400, Linc Madison wrote: >I'll say it again: there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to prohibit >1+10d on local calls in Dallas. It's in violation of industry ....or Atlanta. It can be a pain setting up certain operating systems to dial correctly with mandatory 10d and forbidden 1+10d local. :( >Dallas does permit 0+10d from pay phones, because someone might use a >calling card instead of coins. 0+10d is prohibited from POTS phones, >where it would never make sense to use a calling card.) Here, BellSouth *does* allow 0+10d (and 101xxxx+0+10d) local from both payphone lines and from regular POTS lines. - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ .... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:04:58 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 10/25/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS * OF NOTE ... * NATION-STATES SHOULD MANAGE THEIR LANGUAGE REGISTRIES, SAYS CHINA ''The sovereignty of Chinese domain names should not be handed over to foreign firms.'' SEE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4683 * VERISIGN ACQUIRES DOMAIN BROKER GREATDOMAINS.COM ''The secondary market for domain names has matured into a strong segment of the Web identity business ...'' said Jim Rutt, CEO of Network Solutions, Inc., VeriSign's domain name registration business. SEE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4679 * TRAFFICKING IN GENERIC WORDS: IMPROPER SPECULATION OR LEGITIMATE BUSINESS? ''This "split of authority" within the ICANN regime should be reconciled. There are a number of companies in the business of registering domain names with no apparent purpose in mind other than selling them for a profit. If this be cybersquatting per se, then the ICANN Uniform Policy ought to say so more clearly.'' SEE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4678 - - 1 800 ATTORNEYS CAPTURES ALLIANCE WITH 1 800 DENTIST - - WEB FIRMS CALLING ON NEW PHONE SERVICES - - AOL ANNOUNCES ITS VOICE PORTAL OFFERING - - LEBANON'S DOMAIN NAMES ARE A HIT - - AT&T, QUARTERED - - NEW IMPROVED DOMAIN NAMES ARE YEARS TOO LATE ************************************************************************ REGISTRATION: Access to all articles, Free and Premium, requires registration. Registration contact information is not sold, leased, or rented. ************************************************************************ ARTICLE ACCESS CODE LEGEND ICB Toll Free News offers two valuable service options: F = Free - News and Features articles P = Premium - Unlimited Site Access including all Articles and Documents. ************************************************************************ !!! YOUR TEXT AD HERE !!! 18,000+ weekly readership, over 154,000 targeted impressions every month! 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4677 F - NATION-STATES SHOULD MANAGE THEIR LANGUAGE REGISTRIES, SAYS CHINA Mao Wei, director of China Internet Network Information Centre (CNNIC), claimed that Chinese domain names should only be managed by Chinese people because the ''it was not simply a commercial behaviour but more of a reflection of sovereignty''. Mr Mao's remark was made in response to NSI, the world's largest domain name registration firm, which started a Chinese domain name registration service earlier this month. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4683 F - WEB FIRMS CALLING ON NEW PHONE SERVICES Yahoo! and Lycos are lending credibility to the voice portal space, which is already occupied by companies like BeVocal, Tellme Networks, and ShopTalk. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4682 F - AOL ANNOUNCES ITS VOICE PORTAL OFFERING "What makes us unique is that we have a subscription relationship with our members and can build it out on national footprint and an 1-800 platform and make this a viable business," Borthwick added. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4685 F - LEBANON'S DOMAIN NAMES ARE A HIT Presidente Advertising Agency has bought over 200 domain names over the past month or so, at a cost of around $20,000. And according to Elie Khoury, who set up Presidente, the domain-buying spree has just begun. So far, these have been names related to the Lebanese state­ like republicoflebanon.org or republiqueduLiban. “It’s amazing how many of these domain names are untaken,” said Khoury. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4679 F - TRAFFICKING IN GENERIC WORDS: IMPROPER SPECULATION OR LEGITIMATE BUSINESS? It bears emphasizing that a domain name owner who registers, for example, Apple.com and offers computer products at his Website should not prevail in a dispute against Apple Computers. The scope of this article is limited to owners of generic domain names that merely wish to sell them. Editorial by Robert A. Badgley, Esq. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4678 F - AT&T, QUARTERED The plan will allow each of AT&T's major units -- consumer, business, broadband, and wireless -- to focus on its particular market niche and compete more nimbly, the company said. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4681 P - NEW IMPROVED DOMAIN NAMES ARE YEARS TOO LATE There will be increasing scope for warehousing i.e. the registration of domain names that are likely to be attractive to a wide market, for example the generic names business.com or banks.com. A Jerusalem-based company has taken this a step further by setting up an online investment bank for website names - but ventures like this are only possible if you have the capital to take the risk. Guest article by Richard Armitage, chief executive at Internet specialist Rename Ltd., Newcastle, England. 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Thu Oct 26 11:17:42 2000 Date: 26 Oct 2000 06:15:14 -0400 Message-ID: <20001026101514.14686.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #102 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 08ea23d04a1cbfd00ffb4622e9407831 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, October 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 102 In this issue: 35-cent Verizon pay phones in NYC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Oct 2000 01:17:26 -0400 From: stheri01@emerald.tufts.edu (Seth Theriault) Subject: 35-cent Verizon pay phones in NYC Verizon has finally decided to do something about the identity crisis that seemed to be afflicting many of its NYC pay phones (Nynex on the hardware, BA on the instructions, Verizon on the "thank you" message). As of today, a group of pay phones at the SE corner of 1st Ave and 14th Street (across from Stuyvesant Town in front of the GNC and the L train entrance) has gone black. I was intrigued because it appeared to happen overnight (like most things), but also restricted to those three phones. There are tons of other BA phones around Stuyvesant Town and on 1st Ave that are still BA/Nynex. However, something else intrigued me: the cost of a phone call on the "new" phones is _35_ cents. I thought leaving Boston (where pay phones quickly went from 10 to 35 cents even after a Nynex promise of having "no intention" of raising the cost) would spare me the necessity of finding another coin in my pocket. Oh well... Seth - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #102 ******************************** From ???@??? Fri Oct 27 09:37:27 2000 Date: 27 Oct 2000 06:15:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20001027101509.24968.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #103 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 6d69f87daffa944d26ecb6e49ac04b79 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Friday, October 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 103 In this issue: logging serial port data Re: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash Re: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft Re: logging serial port data Re: study of average error rates for censorware NEED AUTOMATIC 2-LINE BRIDGE Re: 35-cent Verizon pay phones in NYC Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash 10/26/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: NEED AUTOMATIC 2-LINE BRIDGE Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: Wireless local, then cellular ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Oct 2000 08:14:51 -0400 From: "Dr. Joseph V. Scuralli" Subject: logging serial port data Does anyone know of a simple way to log the data from a serial port to a file? I'm running windows 98 or dos. I have a stream of data coming out of a serial port on a device that I just want to log and store in a file, as is. If you know of a simple way or a simple program please let me know! Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 08:15:54 -0400 From: craigm@earthling.net (Craig Macbride) Subject: Re: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash John McHarry writes: >I need to try giving them a UK address and phone number. Should wreck >their computers, or freak out their databases. I don't think they will care. I got a Safeway Club card in the USA, because it was silly to pay 3 times as much for some items if I didn't have the card. I also gave them my correct address details at home in Australia. I have nothing against such schemes. The customer gets to choose whether to give up private information at the price the organisation is prepared to pay. So long as there are good privacy laws in place to prevent them giving the information to third parties, that's fine with me. (The lack of such laws in the USA doesn't really worry me, since I suspect that companies in the USA which trade such data will just ignore me since I'm from another country.) - -- Craig Macbride - -----------------------http://www.nyx.net/~cmacbrid------------------------ "It's a sense of humour like mine, Carla, that makes me proud to be ashamed of myself." - Captain Kremmen - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 08:16:27 -0400 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft On 25 Oct 2000 19:12:59 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote: :Privista Inc., a New York start-up allied with credit bureau Equifax, :rolled out ID Guard, which will be offered free for life to consumers :signing up by Dec. 31 at www.privista.com. When was the last time a credit bureau did something voluntarily that was good for consumers, for free? I can't think of any. Notice that Experian sends the alert notices by e-mail. Note also that they're really in the direct marketing business as much or more than they are in the credit reporting business. Note also how hungry mainstream spammers are to be able to match an e-mail address to a name and address. Privista's privacy policy says that they won't share your data with marketers, just with the credit agencies such as Experian. But they don't say and can't guarantee that Experian and the other bureaus won't sell it to spammers. Care to speculate as to the spam tonnage that supplying an e-mail address to Experian is likely to generate? Thanks, but no thanks. - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 08:38:25 -0400 From: Subject: Re: logging serial port data Dr. Joseph V. Scuralli wrote: > Does anyone know of a simple way to log the data from a serial port to a > file? I'm running windows 98 or dos. > I have a stream of data coming out of a serial port on a device that I just > want to log and store in a file, as is. > If you know of a simple way or a simple program please let me know! > Thank you. Most terminal emulation programs have a logging or capture mode. Hyperterm has this feature. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 10:47:49 -0400 From: Marc Brett Subject: Re: study of average error rates for censorware Bennett Haselton wrote: > describing a test in which we took the first 1,000 .com domains in an > alphabetical listing, ... > This is boring, but it's solid. Not likely. The "first 1,000 .com domains" is hardly a good way to choose samples at random. All the statistics that follow are suspect, if not completely worthless. - -- Marc Brett +44 20 8560 3160 Western Geophysical Marc.Brett@westgeo.com 455 London Road, Isleworth FAX: +44 20 8847 5711 Middlesex TW7 5AA UK - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 13:09:39 -0400 From: Jack Powers Subject: NEED AUTOMATIC 2-LINE BRIDGE I'm looking for a device that will answer one line with dial tone from a second line and permit calls out on the second line. It must hang up the second line when the caller on the first one hangs up (determined by silence?). I believe that sutch gadgets used to be popular for indirect access to WATS lines, but I can't find one now. Any pointers would be appreciated. Jack Powers 408/953-9764 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 16:38:45 -0400 From: stheri01@emerald.tufts.edu (Seth Theriault) Subject: Re: 35-cent Verizon pay phones in NYC In article , I wrote: > I was intrigued because it appeared to happen overnight (like most > things), but also restricted to those three phones. There are tons of > other BA phones around Stuyvesant Town and on 1st Ave that are still > BA/Nynex. However, something else intrigued me: the cost of a phone call > on the "new" phones is _35_ cents. You'll think I'm nuts, but Verizon answered my prayers: as of this morning, the phones are back to a quarter. But they still have ugly black and red signage, and I am still bitter about the Boston phones. Seth - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 19:23:25 -0400 From: kamlet@infinet.com (Art Kamlet) Subject: Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing In article <8t7om5$ptu@ssbunews.ih.lucent.com>, Al Varney wrote: > > There are mandates (from the FCC/Judge Green) which apply to both >MF and SS7 trunking. There are TARIFFs that define the IXC interface >to a specific LEC -- they are all a tiny bit different between RBOCs/GTE, ^^^^^^^^^^ Aw, come on Al, stop living in the past :^) >and CLECs/Independents have even more flexibility. - -- Art Kamlet Columbus, Ohio kamlet@infinet.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 20:11:51 -0400 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices "Ed Ellers" writes: >From: "Ed Ellers" >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices >Date: 16 Oct 2000 10:45:44 -0400 >Organization: I.E.C.C. >Lines: 10 > >Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: >> >>"However, in the final analysis, doesn't the consumer have a choice? >> >>"...to move somewhere else where service is more to their liking..." > >As a practical matter, not until the lease expires. There is more to this issue.... California, for example, has enacted legistlation related to the ownership and responsiblity for telecom utilities passing through common areas or other tenant spaces on their way to the tenant being served. Consider the difficulties of a tenant in a highrise office building whose telecom services are disrupted by fire or accident on another floor not under the control of that tenant. Life used to be simpler when the riser conduits were owned by the landlord and the cable running in them belonged to the RBOC. Now there may be many carriers, many cables, different ownership, etc. While it is a nice revenue field for the landlord to be able to get a fee for giving exclusive access to a single telecom carrier, the experience with "smart buildings" in the 1980s show that this may be a poor policy which makes one's property less attractive to tenants. (In the 1980s, when tenants were spending large sums on bulky PBX systems, there was considerable discussion in the commerical real estate industry about the landlord providing one giant PBX and handling all telecom moves, adds and changes for the tenants. Ultimately, it turned out that, in spite of the hassel and expense, the tenants did not want to relinquish control of their telecom choices to the landlord and have yet another thing shackling them at time of lease renegotiation.) A sensible trend would be for the landlord to rent out riser space to all comers and/or rights to run over copper cable or fiber and broken out at the tenant demarc point. There might even be some opportunity here to develop, install and maintain such systems on behalf of the landlord -- running them like a mini-version of the "unbundled elements" that the LECs make available. I realize that there is a visceral reaction that the risers are the private property of the landlord, but the reality is that they are like other "common areas" [a term used in commercial leases] that are shared for the benefit of the tenants. It is the administration of these telecom common areas that does not have the history of accepted practice that other common area (parking lots, driveways, elevators, lobbies, etc.) admin has. For example, landlords frequently have common area rules that require tenants move furniture and other bulky items in and out of the building during non-business hours so as not to disrupt the use of the elevators. That is pretty much accepted. But there are few landlords who require things like "I will only allow the Yellow Cab Company's taxis to use the driveway to the building because I have made an exclusive arrangement with that company to serve the tenants." Not that this couldn't happen, but it would be so disruptive as to make most properties unappealing. Ultimately, it is in the landlord's best interest to make sure his tenants are happy and get access to the best telecom services. Any fees earned by the landlord at the expense of the tenant get factored into the rental value of the property -- and the wise landlord will focus on the most important component of his revenue stream: the rent. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 20:22:31 -0400 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash On 26 Oct 2000 08:15:54 -0400, craigm@earthling.net (Craig Macbride) wrote: >John McHarry writes: > >>I need to try giving them a UK address and phone number. Should wreck >>their computers, or freak out their databases. > >I don't think they will care. I got a Safeway Club card in the USA, >because it was silly to pay 3 times as much for some items if I didn't >have the card. I also gave them my correct address details at home in >Australia. > >I have nothing against such schemes. The customer gets to choose whether >to give up private information at the price the organisation is prepared to >pay. So long as there are good privacy laws in place to prevent them giving >the information to third parties, that's fine with me. (The lack of such >laws in the USA doesn't really worry me, since I suspect that companies in >the USA which trade such data will just ignore me since I'm from another >country.)... This is drifting off topic, but I guess you have shown they don't much care to punish those of us who fall outside their sieve, by will or by domicile. I don't like somebody telling me they won't sell me something (or won't sell it to me at a posted price) unless I give them personal information. Are they going to start calling me on the phone with ads for sales on okra? (good stuff, by the way) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:19:14 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 10/26/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - INFOBASE OBTAINS INTERNET ACCESS TO TOLL FREE NUMBERS - - A BOARDSQUATTER IS - - NET PUNDIT CALLS FOR NEW DOMAIN SYSTEM ************************************************************************ REGISTRATION: Access to all articles, Free and Premium, requires registration. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4688 F - A BOARDSQUATTER IS ... an "initial," then "interim," now current ICANN boardmember who clings to power. Also, Forever Esther: ICANN plans to avoid holding a second round of elections for the remaining four MAL (Member At Large) board members. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4687 F - NET PUNDIT CALLS FOR NEW DOMAIN SYSTEM Metcalfe, the inventor of Ethernet and founder of 3Com, noted the growing consensus among computer technology executives that the current DNS system - with its sometimes arcane and often long "www's," slashes, symbols and ".com," ".net," or ".org" endings - is cumbersome to use and isn't set up for brand or company names, or other familiar identities. 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Flynn" Subject: Re: NEED AUTOMATIC 2-LINE BRIDGE Jack Powers wrote: > > I'm looking for a device that will answer one line with dial tone > from a second line and permit calls out on the second line. > It must hang up the second line when the caller on the first > one hangs up (determined by silence?). > > I believe that sutch gadgets used to be popular for indirect access > to WATS lines, but I can't find one now. Jack, Viking Electronics makes them. Try Regards, Martin - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 02:54:53 -0400 From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices The Old Bear writes: > Ultimately, it is in the landlord's best interest to make sure > his tenants are happy and get access to the best telecom services. > Any fees earned by the landlord at the expense of the tenant > get factored into the rental value of the property -- and the wise > landlord will focus on the most important component of his revenue > stream: the rent. You obviously haven't met New York City landlords. At two buildings with heavy telecom infrastructure (let's call them 60 and 111 8-) the building management wants to get every last penny out of either the telco, the tenant, or both. In the 60 case, the building wanted the ILEC to pay market rent for their phone rooms, and to pay the same rates the building charged other tenants for conduit runs. That was a few years ago. Recently, at the 111 building, the ILEC doesn't even try to run their own conduits. An order for a dozen or so POTS lines came back with "build a conduit to our phone closet (cost: $60K) and we might have some pairs for you there, but we can't guarantee it". Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com terry@tmk.com Jersey City, NJ USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 03:29:11 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Wireless local, then cellular wrote in message news:8t6l6a$69u$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > I read an article just recently where a startup company in (I think) > Massachusetts is marketing a device that connects a cell phone > to your house telephone wires. Basically, it's the opposite of > what you describe. The service is pure cellular, and the device > lets regular wired phones to access the cell service when the cell > phone is in its cradle. It provides ring voltage as needed and > translates the dialtones into the data connector on the cell phone. The cellphone/wired-phone interface is a system for which a company called Telular Corporation holds a patent (which expires Sept. 18, 2001), which has been used in numerous applications along the lines set forth over the years. See . In my view, this was an "obvious" invention not properly patentable, but I don't know whether it has been successfully contested. > > -- > **************************************************************************** * > * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * > * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * > **************************************************************************** * > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #103 ******************************** From ???@??? Sun Oct 29 09:38:56 2000 Date: 28 Oct 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20001028101512.27102.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #104 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 50a81df9621f9644e75288b530dc0016 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Saturday, October 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 104 In this issue: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing Telemarketer Stopper Re: logging serial port data Re: study of average error rates for censorware Re: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft CLID over Ethernet Re: CLID over Ethernet 10/27/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES DOJ won't support Verizon on Mass. long-distance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Oct 2000 12:28:37 -0400 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Terry Kennedy writes: >From: Terry Kennedy >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices >Date: 27 Oct 2000 02:54:53 -0400 >Organization: St. Peter's College, US >Lines: 26 > >The Old Bear writes: >> >> Ultimately, it is in the landlord's best interest to make sure >> his tenants are happy and get access to the best telecom services. >> Any fees earned by the landlord at the expense of the tenant >> get factored into the rental value of the property -- and the wise >> landlord will focus on the most important component of his revenue >> stream: the rent. > > You obviously haven't met New York City landlords. At two buildings >with heavy telecom infrastructure (let's call them 60 and 111 8-) the >building management wants to get every last penny out of either the >telco, the tenant, or both. In the 60 case, the building wanted the >ILEC to pay market rent for their phone rooms, and to pay the same >rates the building charged other tenants for conduit runs. > > That was a few years ago. Recently, at the 111 building, the ILEC >doesn't even try to run their own conduits. An order for a dozen or >so POTS lines came back with "build a conduit to our phone closet >(cost: $60K) and we might have some pairs for you there, but we can't >guarantee it". Terry: What you say is true. Many landlords will really put it to tenants who are locked in under existing leases. However, at the end of the lease, the tenant is going to look at his cost of relocation versus his total cost of occupancy. If he can move and be ahead of the game, all things considered, he will. And telecom costs will figure into this calculation for all but the most naive tenants. Over time, some tenants will leave because they outgrow their available space, need to downsize, have business failures, have changes in business strategy, be merged into another company with similar facilities in the immediate area, etc. When that happens, the landlord has to take his vacant space to market -- and the rent he will command in the marketplace and the duration of time he has to live with no rent will be a fuction of the value prospective tenants perceive. Of course, New York is one of those places where landlords write their leases to measure the rentable area (to which their quoted dollar per square foot rate is applied) to include the thickness of the exterior walls measured to a line defined as including all projections like windowsills, etc. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 13:46:41 -0400 From: varney@ihgp2.ih.lucent.com (Al Varney) Subject: Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing In article <39f8bcb9$0$35383$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com>, Art Kamlet wrote: >In article <8t7om5$ptu@ssbunews.ih.lucent.com>, >Al Varney wrote: >> >> There are mandates (from the FCC/Judge Green) which apply to both >>MF and SS7 trunking. There are TARIFFs that define the IXC interface >>to a specific LEC -- they are all a tiny bit different between RBOCs/GTE, > ^^^^^^^^^^ >Aw, come on Al, stop living in the past :^) Sorry, Art, but the TARIFFs don't change when the holding companies merge. The DOJ decree for RBOCs was different than GTEs, they have to follow different rules even after they merge. It will take a few years to evolve to anything common between Bell Atlantic and GTE rules for interconnection. GTE operates an inter-LATA carrier, owns 10% of a switch manufacturer, has waivers on inter-LATA transport (in small areas) and reports to the FCC under non-RBOC rules, and likely doesn't have the arms-length separation of regulated vs. unregulated operations imposed on Bell Atlantic. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that GTE is paying Bell Atlantic for some services, and the revenues end up being counted as profits -- it takes a while to get the accounting worked out. The past is the platform that supports the future. No swap-outs. No retroactive modifications. Al Varney - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 19:17:06 -0400 From: TomyTyler@aol.com Subject: Telemarketer Stopper "I'm working on an anti-telemarketing device of my own ... that requires the caller to enter a passcode before ringing the handset. ... It'd be nice if I could get the purchase price down to US$50." I was working on the same thing, then found "PrivateTIME" available from www.command-comm.com for $49.95. It does it all. A similar product named "callPlex" is available from www.callplex.com for $99.00. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 19:57:13 -0400 From: "Roger Fajman" Subject: Re: logging serial port data > Does anyone know of a simple way to log the data from a serial port to a > file? I'm running windows 98 or dos. > I have a stream of data coming out of a serial port on a device that I just > want to log and store in a file, as is. > If you know of a simple way or a simple program please let me know! > Thank you. Kermit. The DOS version is free. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 20:31:43 -0400 From: RegrettableError@netscape.net Subject: Re: study of average error rates for censorware Bennett Haselton said: [snip] >There is apparently no chance that claims of "100% human review" from >SurfWatch, Cyber Patrol, or N2H2 (makers of Bess) are accurate. (Cyber >Patrol still claims that "A site is viewed by a human before being >added to the CyberNOT list" [snip] Actually, this may be a valid claim, at least in the case of CyberPatrol: they don't say *which* human, just *A* human. I had CyberPatrol installed (briefly) on my machine for my son's use, and realized that every time it says it's "Updating the CyberNot list", it was actually *UP*loading *MY* additions to the list, as well as downloading others'. I suspect that the service simply trades its' subscribers additions, perhaps with a voting system to require n "humans" to ban the site on their personal machines before distributing it to others. BTW, don't even think of removing this program once it's in: the most tenacious bootrom infector virus pales in comparison to how deep this thing hooks itself into your computer. I tried to remove it when I grew concerned about the service uploading my clicklist in addition to the sites I had banned, but wound up having to strip the machine down to a "no ram" start. Password or not, it's there to stay once it's in. YMMV. Bill Horne (My real email address is bhorne at banet dot net. The Netscape address is only for sending.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 21:33:03 -0400 From: Paul Gloger Subject: Re: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft On 26 Oct 2000 08:16:27 -0400 jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) wrote: .... >>Privista Inc., a New York start-up allied with credit bureau Equifax, >>rolled out ID Guard, which will be offered free for life to consumers >>signing up by Dec. 31 at www.privista.com. >When was the last time a credit bureau did something voluntarily that >was good for consumers, for free? .... >Care to speculate as to the spam tonnage that supplying an e-mail >address to Experian is likely to generate? >Thanks, but no thanks. I'll second that. If you look at the Privista web site, it doesn't give any real info., it doesn't do anything real at all except "allow" you to register for their poorly-specified "service," which registration (as Jay Hennigan referred to) consists of your simply giving them a bunch of sensitive info. about yourself. Like Jay said, "Thanks, but no thanks!" Paul Gloger - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 22:07:34 -0400 From: km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg) Subject: CLID over Ethernet I'm looking for a caller id box that will log calls over ethernet to a workstation. Syslog would be best. I do this now with an ISDN modem that has this facility, but I would like to get the same effect on a POTS line. I'd also be interested in an answering machine that could be accessed over ethernet. Anyone know of any such equipment? - -- Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu Emory University | Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963 Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX 727-5611 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 22:17:26 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" Subject: Re: CLID over Ethernet Ken Mandelberg wrote: > > I'm looking for a caller id box that will log calls over > ethernet to a workstation. Syslog would be best. I do this > now with an ISDN modem that has this facility, but I would > like to get the same effect on a POTS line. Mike Sandman markets a box that will log the touchtone digits & the incoming caller ID as well. Model Number is 307CID. Output is RS-232 serial. Regards, Martin - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:37:25 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 10/27/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - ENUM'S DNAME COULD MAKE AMESS - - BEWARE THE ICANN BOARD SQUATTER - - ICANN ANNOUNCES BOARD SQUATTER "EXTENDED TERMS" - - IT MAY GET WORSE, BEFORE IT GETS BETTER ************************************************************************ REGISTRATION: Access to all articles, Free and Premium, requires registration. 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Tell them ICB sent you. ************************************************************************ HEADLINES for October 27, 2000 P - ENUM'S DNAME COULD MAKE AMESS DNAME is necessary to make real-world number plans work. Yet the proper use of DNAME and NAPTR is a real administrative mess fraught real danger - - a risk known before the ENUM document was published. Review ENUM'S Principles of Operation draft. What does it portend for Verisign/Telcordia's ENUMworld, and ITAB's .TEL? CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4692 F - BEWARE THE ICANN BOARD SQUATTER "ICANN is about to do something utterly illegitimate, without even the usual fig leaf of transparency, consultation, or 'bottom-up' support" -- Internet law expert Michael Froomkin demands the resignation four ICANN board members. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4690 P - ICANN ANNOUNCES BOARD SQUATTER "EXTENDED TERMS" The decision on those who would accept extended terms was made by the nine original Directors. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4689 F - IT MAY GET WORSE, BEFORE IT GETS BETTER Domain name-gestapo WIPO wants to set "optimal [domain name] policy for the development of the Internet as a medium for electronic commerce", issues WIPO2 RFC2. Deadline for comments: December 29, 2000. 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 23:13:23 -0400 From: "monty solomon" Subject: DOJ won't support Verizon on Mass. long-distance DOJ won't support Verizon on Mass. long-distance WASHINGTON--The U.S. Justice Department said Friday that Verizon Communications failed to fully prove that its local networks in Massachusetts are open to rivals, which could hamper the company's efforts to win approval to sell long-distance phone service in the state. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-3313039.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #104 ******************************** From ???@??? Sun Oct 29 09:39:41 2000 Date: 28 Oct 2000 20:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: <20001029004725.27392.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #105 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 277f5bf16cba0061318469fc41f3f25d Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Saturday, October 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 105 In this issue: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws What's wrong with this idea? What's up with North State Telephone Company, High Point, NC? Re: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft Re: logging serial port data Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: CLID over Ethernet Re: What's up with North State Telephone Company, High Point, NC? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: What's up with North State Telephone Company, High Point, NC? Re: What's wrong with this idea? Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Re: What's wrong with this idea? Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: Can the DO this to us? Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Question about COCOT resources Anonymity Objectives Concerning CellPhone Svc... Re: What's up with North State Telephone Company, High Point, NC? Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Oct 2000 13:01:58 -0400 From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws >>>>> "John" == John Stanley writes: >> Hands on the wheel, sure, but what does concentration on the road have to do >> with whether or not the car phone is hands free? You are still reacting to >> something that is being said and thinking about what to say in reply. John> The same thing happens when I listen to the radio and when I have John> passengers. Will we next outlaw more than one person in a vehicle? Will John> we change all the HOV lanes into SOV? It's a class envy act, usually. If you outlaw cell phones, you should also outlaw all fast food consumed in cars, mascara being applied, and babies in the back seat, which can all be much a distraction (if not more) than cell phones, handsfree or not. We should outlaw the *result* of the act, not the act itself. And hey, what do you know, there are ALREADY laws against that... amazing. :) - -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:45:30 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: What's wrong with this idea? I live in High Point, NC. North State TelCo rules there. They sell a $35/mo. service to residential customers providing unlimited expanded-area calling for the flat monthly fee. The service is NOT offerred to business customers. I ran 4 lines to my home. Each had inbound CallerID support and call transfer support. The call transfer allowed each line to switch a call and go offhook. That is, after receiving an incoming call, I could do a flashhook, dial a 3rd number, another flashhook to connect all 3 parties, then go offhook without disconnecting the remote parties from each other. Thus, people could dial me, I could read their caller ID, verify the number they were calling from, issue them 4-beeps as a cue, after which they would key in the number they wished to be transferred to (which would be a number in the expanded local calling area), then I would flashhook & transfer 'em. The entire process took about 20-40 seconds. My line was then made available for another incoming call. With this process, on those 4 lines, I could easily transfer half-a-million calls per month. The TelCo complained. I contacted the NC Utilities Commish, who informed me I was in violation of North State's filing (it appeared that North State wrote their own laws directly into the General Statutes. I was informed that I could be fined $1000 per incident. Since I did not have $5,000,000 bucks-a-month to spare, I started giving the service away. That way, according to the NC Utilities Commission, I was not in violation of anything. I did it for about 6-months. Then, what the hell, I stopped. No money - no way out it seemed. I began to question the authorities. Why the hell shouldn't I be able to do whatever I wish with my line? I pay for it. I was told that NOTHING could be done with a telephone line that I rented to make money. I felt that faxing services, call centers and a variety of other businesses were using their phones to make money. When I brought this up, I was blown off. When I saw ads on TV like "Easy Tel" who buys local telephone service in an area and resells it to subscribers at a markup (targeting poor people who have had their lines disconnected due to non-payment) and brought that to the attention of the Commission, I was blown off again. I didn't have the money to fight over the issue. North State's switch was not programmed to handle billing or even recognize call transfers or call forwarding inbound calls into the expanded local calling area prior to my little venture. Many businesses in High Point who were North State subscribers had their lines automatically forwarded to another number (call forwarding). Those of them who were forwarding their calls to a number in the expanded local calling area were enjoying a windfall. North State had overlooked that little detail. However, after investigating what I was doing, they discovered this little hole in their switch and patched it right away. Now, thousands of small businesses hate my guts for bringing this oversight to the attention of Jim McCarson, the company's owner. Those business owners (car dealers, mechanics, construction companies, insurance agencies, etc) were forwarding their calls to numbers (land lines and cellular numbers) in the ELC and were used to NOT paying anything for it. I don't blame them for being pissed. But, snitching what not my intent. I just wanted to provide a service. Are there locations where I could do this and get away with it? It seems all that was keeping me from doing it here was North State TelCo's tariff filing, in which they wrote their own rules as they went. Regards, Mike H xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:45:30 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: What's up with North State Telephone Company, High Point, NC? In High Point, North State TelCo provides local service. They rule! There is NO competing carrier. I see TV ads all the time saying I can pick up my phone, dial a number and access their network for LD service. However, I am unable to get through to ANY of them. North State TelCo tells me they do NOT support those options. Are there other US TelCo's from which one cannot take advantage of such TV offers? Mike H xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:45:31 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft No shit! I agree with Paul and Jay. Sounds to me just like another pud pounding just waiting to happen! Miek H xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 25 Oct 2000 19:12:59 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote: >New U.S. Web service warns of identity theft > >WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Web-based system aimed at fighting identity >theft debuted Monday while U.S. regulators mulled new ways of helping >disentangle victims from this growing scourge of the Internet age. > >Privista Inc., a New York start-up allied with credit bureau Equifax, >rolled out ID Guard, which will be offered free for life to consumers >signing up by Dec. 31 at www.privista.com. > >http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/s/20001023/techinternetidentity.html >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:45:36 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: logging serial port data I wrote one using the WIN API. I assume you are looking for an open-architecture solution that gives you complete control of the process and what you do with the data. I suggest the WIN API or WIN32 API. Warmest regards, Mike H, eit xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 26 Oct 2000 08:14:51 -0400, "Dr. Joseph V. Scuralli" wrote: >Does anyone know of a simple way to log the data from a serial port to a >file? I'm running windows 98 or dos. >I have a stream of data coming out of a serial port on a device that I just >want to log and store in a file, as is. >If you know of a simple way or a simple program please let me know! >Thank you. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:59:55 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? So, does this mean that there are locations in this country where I can pick up my phone, press 1-AC-PHONENO and will be charged for a LD call even if the 7-digit PHONENO is a local call when dialed as 7-digits? Mike H, eit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz On 25 Oct 2000 20:35:28 -0400, Joseph Singer wrote: >24 Oct 2000 20:40:07 -0400 Linc Madison >wrote: > >>Alas, no. There are still huge areas of the NANP that want to protect >>you from accidentally making a local call that you thought was going to >>cost money. Texas and Georgia are very bad about that, and I'm sure >>there are at least a few other states. If you dial 1+10d on a local >>call, you will get an intercept recording telling you, "It is not >>necessary to dial a 0 or a 1 when placing this call. Please hang up and >>try your call again," or something to that effect. > >This has been the case in Washington state, but it was announced on local >media that later this year it will be permissable to dial 1+ on any call >local or toll. It makes sense really. I asked when they introduced the >new area codes 425 and 253 a couple of years ago why they didn't allow 1+ >on local calls and I was told that it was because the local telcos >(principally GTE) didn't want to go to the trouble of using translation >tables to indicate what was toll and what was not. At any rate we're >supposed to get 1+ ability on local calls later this year. It may be >around the time of the overlay or just before. At least we only have to >dial 10 digits on a local call in overlay areas :) >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA > [ICQ pgr] > +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 16:08:02 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: CLID over Ethernet I got one called an MLX-82 by TCI. It supports 8 incoming POTS lines. The box works great. I have no complaints of the hardware. I have a piece of software that was written by some turkeys who won't fix it. Its a 3rd-party solution. It runs in a DOS window, monitors the serial port for activity, recieves incoming data indicating which line (up to 8 lines) the data is coming from and the CallerID data itself, parses it, displays it, writing some of it to a .dbf file for my own use. The part I don't like is it displays the TelCo time 'n datestamp but it doesn't write that value to a datafile or give me access to it. Therefore, I cannot sync my computer time with the in- TelCo time in an automated fashion. That sucks. Mike H xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 27 Oct 2000 22:07:34 -0400, km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg) wrote: >I'm looking for a caller id box that will log calls over >ethernet to a workstation. Syslog would be best. I do this >now with an ISDN modem that has this facility, but I would >like to get the same effect on a POTS line. > >I'd also be interested in an answering machine that could >be accessed over ethernet. > >Anyone know of any such equipment? > >-- >Ken Mandelberg | km@mathcs.emory.edu >Emory University | >Dept of Math and CS | Phone: Voice (404) 727-7963 >Atlanta, GA 30322 | FAX 727-5611 >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 16:11:07 -0400 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: What's up with North State Telephone Company, High Point, NC? On 28 Oct 2000 15:45:30 -0400, MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) wrote: >In High Point, North State TelCo provides local service. >They rule! There is NO competing carrier. I see TV ads >all the time saying I can pick up my phone, dial a number >and access their network for LD service. However, I am >unable to get through to ANY of them. North State TelCo >tells me they do NOT support those options. It's likely that the "10-10" carriers/divisions of carriers simply don't have billing and trunking arrangements with North State like they do with BellSouth, Sprint, GTE/Verizon, etc. You can certainly PIC a long distance company other than AT&T for 1+ calling, however; North State definitely offers equal access. (Since you're in a non-Bell area, though, many 1+ plans offered by smaller carriers won't be available to you. For instance, I couldn't get the LD plan I'm on in High Point, or in ALLTEL areas in GA for that matter.) This is unlike the terrible situation in Trenton, GA, where the only LD carrier available for 1+ calling is *still* AT&T. In other words, Trenton Telephone Co. *still* isn't equal access. :( - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ .... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 16:15:24 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Such as? Could you provide the name of a couple of those companies? Mike H xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 25 Oct 2000 04:49:46 -0400, Linc Madison wrote: >In article <20001024234018.B5952@openswitch.org>, Brian F. G. Bidulock > wrote: > >> Don, >> >> On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Don Wallace wrote: >> > >> > Is there a company that compiles data like this or a web site that >> > provides a lookup of this sort? >> >> As far as I know, the North American Numbering Plan adminstration >> is responsible for maintaining all records. > >No, NANPA maintains no records at all of what prefixes are local to >which other prefixes. NANPA just assigns the area codes, and in some >states the prefixes; what constitutes a local calling area is purely a >state regulatory issue. > >There are companies that maintain such databases, but they charge quite >a lot of money for access, since the database is enormous and requires >considerable work to keep current and accurate. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 16:17:11 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: What's up with North State Telephone Company, High Point, NC? Damn! I guess I best not complain. My situation could really be a lot worse. Mike H xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 28 Oct 2000 16:11:07 -0400, Stanley Cline wrote: >On 28 Oct 2000 15:45:30 -0400, MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael >Harvell) wrote: > >>In High Point, North State TelCo provides local service. >>They rule! There is NO competing carrier. I see TV ads >>all the time saying I can pick up my phone, dial a number >>and access their network for LD service. However, I am >>unable to get through to ANY of them. North State TelCo >>tells me they do NOT support those options. > >It's likely that the "10-10" carriers/divisions of carriers simply >don't have billing and trunking arrangements with North State like >they do with BellSouth, Sprint, GTE/Verizon, etc. You can certainly >PIC a long distance company other than AT&T for 1+ calling, however; >North State definitely offers equal access. (Since you're in a >non-Bell area, though, many 1+ plans offered by smaller carriers won't >be available to you. For instance, I couldn't get the LD plan I'm on >in High Point, or in ALLTEL areas in GA for that matter.) > >This is unlike the terrible situation in Trenton, GA, where the only >LD carrier available for 1+ calling is *still* AT&T. In other words, >Trenton Telephone Co. *still* isn't equal access. :( > >-SC >-- >Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ >.... >"Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might >be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 16:23:58 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: What's wrong with this idea? >>From 'Michael Harvell': >With this process, on those 4 lines, I could easily >transfer half-a-million calls per month. The TelCo >complained. I contacted the NC Utilities Commish, >who informed me I was in violation of North State's >filing (it appeared that North State wrote their own >laws directly into the General Statutes. I was informed >that I could be fined $1000 per incident. Since I did >not have $5,000,000 bucks-a-month to spare, I started >giving the service away. That way, according to the >NC Utilities Commission, I was not in violation of >anything. I did it for about 6-months. Then, what the >hell, I stopped. No money - no way out it seemed. >I began to question the authorities. Why the hell >shouldn't I be able to do whatever I wish with my >line? I pay for it. If you charge people for phone services, you will be subject to the FCC regs and state regs in NC. You'll probably also have to file a tarriff. >I was told that NOTHING could be >done with a telephone line that I rented to make >money. I felt that faxing services, call centers and >a variety of other businesses were using their phones >to make money. When I brought this up, I was blown >off. Ok, so do you have business lines? I wasn't sure just from reading the post... >Are there locations where I could do this and get away >with it? It seems all that was keeping me from doing it >here was North State TelCo's tariff filing, in which they >wrote their own rules as they went. The other side of the coin is, why should you be exempt from filing tarriffs, etc., if you're providing a for-pay phone service? - -- A beautiful Chow puppy was rescued a couple months ago from the Geauga County, Ohio animal shelter and has been fostered in a home in Montville, OH. After receiving medical care and much love, he's ready for a permanent home. http://www.WrinkleDogs.com/rescue/fall2000/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 16:27:49 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Quickly, what is the difference between Opt In/Out? Mike H xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 20 Oct 2000 23:40:14 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote: >Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out > >Most Internet users don't care whether e-mail arrives on an opt-in or >opt-out basis, according to a new survey. > >Seventy-two percent of the 1,760 participants in the study, dubbed >iCustomer Observer, said they have no preference as to how they >receive e-mails and Internet newsletters, said Chuck Curtis, CEO of >Valentine Radford Advertising, Kansas City, MO, the ad agency that >conducted the survey. > >http://www.dmnews.com/articles/2000-10-16/11052.html >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 16:45:30 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: What's wrong with this idea? On 28 Oct 2000 16:23:58 -0400, sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) wrote: >>From 'Michael Harvell': > >>With this process, on those 4 lines, I could easily >>transfer half-a-million calls per month. The TelCo >>complained. I contacted the NC Utilities Commish, >>who informed me I was in violation of North State's >>filing (it appeared that North State wrote their own >>laws directly into the General Statutes. I was informed >>that I could be fined $1000 per incident. Since I did >>not have $5,000,000 bucks-a-month to spare, I started >>giving the service away. That way, according to the >>NC Utilities Commission, I was not in violation of >>anything. I did it for about 6-months. Then, what the >>hell, I stopped. No money - no way out it seemed. > >>I began to question the authorities. Why the hell >>shouldn't I be able to do whatever I wish with my >>line? I pay for it. > >If you charge people for phone services, you will be >subject to the FCC regs and state regs in NC. You'll >probably also have to file a tarriff. ************************************************************* VOIP? What do you say to that? R U calling it phone services? Why or why not? The FCC has committed to staying out of it. But, VOIP requires some local loop lines, doesn't it? Sure it does. Otherwise, how could it go from the PSTN to the InterNET? I did not own any lines, have linemen or trucks or utility ROW's or buried cable or nothing more than a CallCenter has or a broad- cast faxing service has. I had 4 sets of tip 'n ring wires connecting me to the local a telephone service. Thats what I had. ************************************************************* >>I was told that NOTHING could be >>done with a telephone line that I rented to make >>money. I felt that faxing services, call centers and >>a variety of other businesses were using their phones >>to make money. When I brought this up, I was blown >>off. > >Ok, so do you have business lines? I wasn't sure >just from reading the post... ************************************************************* No. Just residential lines. ************************************************************* > >>Are there locations where I could do this and get away >>with it? It seems all that was keeping me from doing it >>here was North State TelCo's tariff filing, in which they >>wrote their own rules as they went. > >The other side of the coin is, why should you be exempt >from filing tarriffs, etc., if you're providing a for-pay >phone service? ************************************************************* No reason at all. That is, if I were providing a for-pay phone service. Define that. Does your definition include room-mates who pay you a share of your phone costs for the use of their phone? Does it include EasyTel who rents a phone from the local TelCo in their name, puts it in your house and charges you EXTRA for using it? On my side of the service 'n disconnect, I am of the opinion that what I do with my line is my business. If its in my home and I want to run a little sex chat enterprise, or some sort of multi-levely soap selling business, I consider it my business alone. ************************************************************* High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 16:58:47 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices With all due respect, Alan Boritz's comment may well have been posted before Joey Lindstrom's correction. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX On 14 Oct 2000 21:27:03 -0400, Linc Madison wrote: >In article , Alan Boritz > wrote: > >> "Joey Lindstrom" wrote: >> >> >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices >> > >> > >> >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help >> >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United >> ... >> >Full story: >> > >> >http://www.techtv.com/ ... >> >> Can we have a moratorium on these phony blind links that give us >> nothing but a facefull of advertisements and megabytes of nonsense >> that have nothing to do telecommunications? > >Can we have a moratorium on idiotic comments like yours? As has already >been discussed, the link above was an INADVERTENT paste of the wrong >link. Joey (surprise, surprise) has more than one interest in life, and >he accidentally pasted a link for one subject into an article about >another. > >> At the FCC's web site, where the issue has been detailed, the story >> is dramatically different than the description in this post. All the >> FCC has proposed are unenforceable restrictions on telecom carriers, >> and further discovery of what the building owner issues are. A >> restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive >> access agreement is meaningless to a consumer, if there is no other >> carrier with which the consumer can obtain service. Requiring an LEC >> to provide CLEC's access to existing conduits isn't going to mean >> much if they're full or needed for future expansion. > >A restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive >access agreement is plenty meaningful to a consumer, if there are >several other carriers with which the consumer can obtain service, as >is quite often the case. > >> The building owners still have total control over which telecom >> services enter the building, who is permitted in his risers, and who >> is allowed roof space, which is as it should be. > >AS IT SHOULD BE?? No, that's absurd. The owner of my apartment building >should not have the right to restrict my choice of telecommunications >companies to provide my local service. That's absolutely unreasonable >and flat-out unjustifiable. > >I, the tenant, should have sole control over which telecom services >enter my premises. > >The right to make such determinations should be exclusively in the >hands of the USER of the property, not the OWNER. The owner's rights >are limited to reasonable restrictions to protect the integrity of the >building and prevent disruptions in service to other tenants. > >> I've negotiated ROW agreements and license fees, and the legal basis >> is solid. The petitioners who brought this issue to the FCC are the >> industry losers who can't finesse it, buy it, or engineer it. It's a >> sad fact of life that in the many existing private multi-tenant >> buildings in the US, any company who installs new service has to >> comply with building, electrical, and often asbestos control >> regulations. That means that if a foundation has to be penetrated, >> the carrier must engineer it with a licensed professional engineer >> and seal it. If a fire-rated wall must be penetrated, the carrier >> must fire-stop it. If asbestos must be investigated or abated, the >> carrier must have it done. NONE of this is the building owner's >> responsibility. The commenters, with perhaps few exceptions, are >> notoriously poor performers in these areas. The ROW fee helps pay for >> the building owner's effort to monitor construction and help prevent >> the carriers from damaging his property. > >Neither is it the building owner's responsibility (nor right) to decide >on behalf of the tenants who shall provide telecommunications services. > >I'm buying the service, I'm paying the bills, *I* have the right to >choose the provider. Period. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 17:10:14 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: Can the DO this to us? I agree with Eric. If the numbers justify it, hire a lawyer. If you are at liberty to choose another local carrier, consider doing so. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 10 Oct 2000 22:44:20 -0400, ebohlman@omsdev.com (Eric Bohlman) wrote: >william r fnord wrote: >> We have a small payphone company which is having problems. > >> We hired a Manager to run the company two years ago, and he ran the >> company into the ground. He paid very few of the phone bills when they >> came in, and by the time we'd discovered what he was doing, sixty of our >> eighty phones had been disconnected for nonpayment. > >> As you can imagine, there was a rather large obligation owed to >> BellSouth. They've been applying this debt to one of our remaininig >> phones every month and, when we can't pay that, that phone is cut off and >> the old debt iis applied to a DIFFERENT phone bill for the next month. > >> We are being slowly driven out of the payphone business. > >> When we've OVERPAID them int he past, we've been told that tehy could not >> apply our overage to a different phone bill, since "each phone line is a >> different account". Now that we've UNDERPAID them, they have no problem >> applying old charges to our current phones. > >> Can they do this to us? > >You really need to talk to a lawyer. I suspect the answer is going to be >that they're within their rights in handling the underpayments, but were >in the wrong with the handling of the overpayments. It does seem a rather >odd practice, though. If they're going to treat all the lines as >effectively a single account, it would make more sense to turn them *all* >off until the arrearage is paid. This suggests that they really *don't* >want to lose all your business, which means that they might be open to a >negotiation of payment terms. But you'll need legal advice to be able to >do this. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 17:11:11 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices PS.. The date 'n time stamp on his post means NOTHING at all. You cannot rely on it being correct. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 28 Oct 2000 16:58:47 -0400, MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) wrote: >With all due respect, Alan Boritz's comment may well have been posted >before Joey Lindstrom's correction. >XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > >On 14 Oct 2000 21:27:03 -0400, Linc Madison > wrote: > >>In article , Alan Boritz >> wrote: >> >>> "Joey Lindstrom" wrote: >>> >>> >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices >>> > >>> > >>> >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help >>> >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United >>> ... >>> >Full story: >>> > >>> >http://www.techtv.com/ ... >>> >>> Can we have a moratorium on these phony blind links that give us >>> nothing but a facefull of advertisements and megabytes of nonsense >>> that have nothing to do telecommunications? >> >>Can we have a moratorium on idiotic comments like yours? As has already >>been discussed, the link above was an INADVERTENT paste of the wrong >>link. Joey (surprise, surprise) has more than one interest in life, and >>he accidentally pasted a link for one subject into an article about >>another. >> >>> At the FCC's web site, where the issue has been detailed, the story >>> is dramatically different than the description in this post. All the >>> FCC has proposed are unenforceable restrictions on telecom carriers, >>> and further discovery of what the building owner issues are. A >>> restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive >>> access agreement is meaningless to a consumer, if there is no other >>> carrier with which the consumer can obtain service. Requiring an LEC >>> to provide CLEC's access to existing conduits isn't going to mean >>> much if they're full or needed for future expansion. >> >>A restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive >>access agreement is plenty meaningful to a consumer, if there are >>several other carriers with which the consumer can obtain service, as >>is quite often the case. >> >>> The building owners still have total control over which telecom >>> services enter the building, who is permitted in his risers, and who >>> is allowed roof space, which is as it should be. >> >>AS IT SHOULD BE?? No, that's absurd. The owner of my apartment building >>should not have the right to restrict my choice of telecommunications >>companies to provide my local service. That's absolutely unreasonable >>and flat-out unjustifiable. >> >>I, the tenant, should have sole control over which telecom services >>enter my premises. >> >>The right to make such determinations should be exclusively in the >>hands of the USER of the property, not the OWNER. The owner's rights >>are limited to reasonable restrictions to protect the integrity of the >>building and prevent disruptions in service to other tenants. >> >>> I've negotiated ROW agreements and license fees, and the legal basis >>> is solid. The petitioners who brought this issue to the FCC are the >>> industry losers who can't finesse it, buy it, or engineer it. It's a >>> sad fact of life that in the many existing private multi-tenant >>> buildings in the US, any company who installs new service has to >>> comply with building, electrical, and often asbestos control >>> regulations. That means that if a foundation has to be penetrated, >>> the carrier must engineer it with a licensed professional engineer >>> and seal it. If a fire-rated wall must be penetrated, the carrier >>> must fire-stop it. If asbestos must be investigated or abated, the >>> carrier must have it done. NONE of this is the building owner's >>> responsibility. The commenters, with perhaps few exceptions, are >>> notoriously poor performers in these areas. The ROW fee helps pay for >>> the building owner's effort to monitor construction and help prevent >>> the carriers from damaging his property. >> >>Neither is it the building owner's responsibility (nor right) to decide >>on behalf of the tenants who shall provide telecommunications services. >> >>I'm buying the service, I'm paying the bills, *I* have the right to >>choose the provider. Period. >>-- >>The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >>messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >High Point, NC USA >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 17:14:14 -0400 From: william r fnord Subject: Question about COCOT resources I recently came into possession of eighty COCOTs. I know nothing about the business, beyond the minimal. I'm looking for a listserv or other mail list which deals with COCOTs I checked Spafford's list and found nothing. Does anybody else have a pointer to good information about the COCOT business? If you'd like to email me, don't just hit "Respond" - Write to me at the following address (without the numerals): rvh92@juno3.com. Thank you, R. Head ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 17:17:40 -0400 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Anonymity Objectives Concerning CellPhone Svc... Is it possible to go to any cell-phone service with a pocket full of money saying "Here is my money. My name is John Doe. I wanna buy your cell phone and 20-thousand minutes of service and pay in advance. Thank-you, good-bye, C U later"? Any ideas? Mike H xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 18:25:18 -0400 From: ctill@nc.rr.com (Chuck Till) Subject: Re: What's up with North State Telephone Company, High Point, NC? You'll find that there's a history of federal exemptions for "independent" local telephone companies from some of the rules that the former Bell System local telephone companies must abide by. Generally the independents were able to persuade regulators that their financial stability would be in jeopardy if they had to play by all the rules that BellSouth, Bell Atlantic, etc do. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 2000 20:47:22 -0400 From: Al Gillis Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Here's a pretty radical notion... Should the building/complex owner charge the exchange carrier for the space, power and whatever they may need to provide their services to residents/tenants? Although today's requirements are usually for a 4 x 8 plywood backboard and possibly a 110vac outlet the future may have other things in store for us. What happens if a carrier decides to install a fiber terminal and needs a secure space and power? And there are three or four of these carriers! (Two telephone, a cable carrier and a specialized internet provider). Does our owner roll over and build special things for those carriers, do they build rooms, fences or the like by themselves? Or... Interesting! Al Linc Madison wrote: > > In article , Alan Boritz > wrote: > > > "Joey Lindstrom" wrote: > > > > >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > > > > > > > > >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help > > >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United > > ... > > >Full story: > > > > > >http://www.techtv.com/ ... > > > > Can we have a moratorium on these phony blind links that give us > > nothing but a facefull of advertisements and megabytes of nonsense > > that have nothing to do telecommunications? > > Can we have a moratorium on idiotic comments like yours? As has already > been discussed, the link above was an INADVERTENT paste of the wrong > link. Joey (surprise, surprise) has more than one interest in life, and > he accidentally pasted a link for one subject into an article about > another. > > > At the FCC's web site, where the issue has been detailed, the story > > is dramatically different than the description in this post. All the > > FCC has proposed are unenforceable restrictions on telecom carriers, > > and further discovery of what the building owner issues are. A > > restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive > > access agreement is meaningless to a consumer, if there is no other > > carrier with which the consumer can obtain service. Requiring an LEC > > to provide CLEC's access to existing conduits isn't going to mean > > much if they're full or needed for future expansion. > > A restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive > access agreement is plenty meaningful to a consumer, if there are > several other carriers with which the consumer can obtain service, as > is quite often the case. > > > The building owners still have total control over which telecom > > services enter the building, who is permitted in his risers, and who > > is allowed roof space, which is as it should be. > > AS IT SHOULD BE?? No, that's absurd. The owner of my apartment building > should not have the right to restrict my choice of telecommunications > companies to provide my local service. That's absolutely unreasonable > and flat-out unjustifiable. > > I, the tenant, should have sole control over which telecom services > enter my premises. > > The right to make such determinations should be exclusively in the > hands of the USER of the property, not the OWNER. The owner's rights > are limited to reasonable restrictions to protect the integrity of the > building and prevent disruptions in service to other tenants. > > > I've negotiated ROW agreements and license fees, and the legal basis > > is solid. The petitioners who brought this issue to the FCC are the > > industry losers who can't finesse it, buy it, or engineer it. It's a > > sad fact of life that in the many existing private multi-tenant > > buildings in the US, any company who installs new service has to > > comply with building, electrical, and often asbestos control > > regulations. That means that if a foundation has to be penetrated, > > the carrier must engineer it with a licensed professional engineer > > and seal it. If a fire-rated wall must be penetrated, the carrier > > must fire-stop it. If asbestos must be investigated or abated, the > > carrier must have it done. NONE of this is the building owner's > > responsibility. The commenters, with perhaps few exceptions, are > > notoriously poor performers in these areas. The ROW fee helps pay for > > the building owner's effort to monitor construction and help prevent > > the carriers from damaging his property. > > Neither is it the building owner's responsibility (nor right) to decide > on behalf of the tenants who shall provide telecommunications services. > > I'm buying the service, I'm paying the bills, *I* have the right to > choose the provider. Period. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #105 ******************************** From ???@??? Sun Oct 29 09:40:05 2000 Date: 29 Oct 2000 06:15:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20001029111509.8072.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #106 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: ad83732f00b1e2663d7ce1f587052ac4 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Sunday, October 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 106 In this issue: Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Oct 2000 20:54:34 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out In <39fb36c1.22599056@nntp.northstate.net>, MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) wrote: }On 20 Oct 2000 23:40:14 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote: } }>Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out }> }>Most Internet users don't care whether e-mail arrives on an opt-in or }>opt-out basis, according to a new survey. }Quickly, what is the difference between Opt In/Out? Opt-in: You aren't put onto a mailing list unless and until you have opted to receive that mail. (Confirmed opt-in: the e-mailer takes a positive step that requires a response from you to confirm that you have actually requested to be on the list before the e-mailer actually places you on the list.) Opt-out: You are put onto a mailing list willy-nilly and must take an active step to opt out of the list in order to stop receiving the mail which you never opted into in the first place. (My policy: I never EVER unsubscribe from something that I never subscribed to. I'll spend my effort getting the spammer shut off instead.) /JBL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #106 ******************************** From ???@??? Mon Oct 30 08:20:32 2000 Date: 30 Oct 2000 06:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20001030111511.26537.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #107 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: f39ed024f80f755542a667c58f56513e Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Monday, October 30 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 107 In this issue: Re: Anonymity Objectives Concerning CellPhone Svc... Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft Britain Braces for Battle on Workplace Surveillance Re: PacBell/SBC DSL Re: Can the DO this to us? Re: PacBell/SBC DSL Re: What's wrong with this idea? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Britain Braces for Battle on Workplace Surveillance Re: Dialogic D/41A Specs/Info Needed Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: What's wrong with this idea? Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Samsung DCS Call Logging Output Junk Phone calls Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Missouri's plan to overlay 816 Re: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Oct 2000 06:40:20 -0500 From: David Lind Subject: Re: Anonymity Objectives Concerning CellPhone Svc... In article <39fb3734.22713684@nntp.northstate.net>, MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) wrote: > Is it possible to go to any cell-phone service with a pocket full > of money saying "Here is my money. My name is John Doe. > I wanna buy your cell phone and 20-thousand minutes of > service and pay in advance. Thank-you, good-bye, C U later"? > > Any ideas? Go to the local convience store and buy a tracphone or sprint prepaid + cards. - -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 06:50:47 -0500 From: David Lind Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? In article <39fb33ea.21872013@nntp.northstate.net>, MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) wrote: > Such as? Could you provide the name of a couple of > those companies? Mike, bit over my head here, but have used this source for identifying local prefix locations. Telephone Prefix Location List Address:http://www.thedirectory.org/pref/ - -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 07:06:25 -0500 From: David Lind Subject: Re: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft In article , jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) wrote: > On 25 Oct 2000 19:12:59 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote: > > :Privista Inc., a New York start-up allied with credit bureau Equifax, > :rolled out ID Guard, which will be offered free for life to consumers > :signing up by Dec. 31 at www.privista.com. > > When was the last time a credit bureau did something voluntarily that > was good for consumers, for free? I can't think of any. Notice that > Experian sends the alert notices by e-mail. Note also that they're > really in the direct marketing business as much or more than they are > in the credit reporting business. Note also how hungry mainstream > spammers are to be able to match an e-mail address to a name and address. > > Privista's privacy policy says that they won't share your data with > marketers, just with the credit agencies such as Experian. But they > don't say and can't guarantee that Experian and the other bureaus won't > sell it to spammers. > > Care to speculate as to the spam tonnage that supplying an e-mail address > to Experian is likely to generate? > > Thanks, but no thanks. > Thanks for the heads up Jay. Considered this offer. Having my identity stolen is a mucho, bad dream. Maybe creating a user account and then disabling incomming email/spam would make this offer workable? -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 09:01:12 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Britain Braces for Battle on Workplace Surveillance Britain Braces for Battle on Workplace Surveillance Sunday, October 22, 2000 By Richard Meares LONDON (Reuters) - Britain is braced for a legal war over how far employers can snoop on their staff in the digital age, and other Western countries will be watching closely. A new business-friendly law coming into force on Oct. 24 will spark the struggle over intercepting communications -- and just how private an e-mail or a phone call from work can be. http://news.lycos.com/headlines/World/article.asp?docid=RTINTERNATIONAL-BRITAIN-SNOOPING-DC&date=20001022 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 10:03:32 -0500 From: Robert Eden Subject: Re: PacBell/SBC DSL "Steven Lichter" wrote in message news:20001023225856.19077.00000729@ng-mk1.aol.com... > Anyone have any comments about their service? Personally I've been pleased with my service. Good data rates (1M+), only 1 (2-day) known outage. PPPOE (they don't use DHCP) service is bearable, using RASPPPOE and not the supplied buggy Enternet 300 software. > My order seems to have fallen into a black hole. According to the SWBELL newsgroups this is not unusual. You'll need to keep fighting to have it installed/working. A friend's email service was down ( bouncing messages ) twice for 4-5 days each time. My opinion is the admins don't really don't know what they're doing. If something breaks, it can be quite a while before someone figures out how to fix it. If it works, it works well. I guess they have a good design, but those folks have left and only the inexperienced remain. With Prodigy taking over the residential side, things can only get worse. I'm planning on leaving after my year committment to avoid service problems. I've had very bad experiences with Prodigy. Robert - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 10:49:53 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Can the DO this to us? >>From 'Michael Harvell': >I agree with Eric. If the numbers justify it, hire a lawyer. >If you are at liberty to choose another local carrier, consider >doing so. I can't figure out why they can't apply overages as credits to your bill. Any other company would be able to. - -- A beautiful Chow puppy was rescued a couple months ago from the Geauga County, Ohio animal shelter and has been fostered in a home in Montville, OH. After receiving medical care and much love, he's ready for a permanent home. http://www.WrinkleDogs.com/rescue/fall2000/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 11:00:14 -0500 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Re: PacBell/SBC DSL Robert Eden said: According to the SWBELL newsgroups this is not unusual. You'll need to keep fighting to have it installed/working. A friend's e-mail service was down (bouncing messages) twice for 4-5 days each time. >> I talked to them last Thursday and they said it would be up by Friday. Don't know if it is or not as I'm on a job in Seattle, WA. Will not know until I get home in the middle of next month. They told me I will not be charged for it. Plus they had sent me the wrong card for my computer; I have a Macintosh; so they paid for that as well as a cable. The funny thing is I was on the crews that put the DSL in the office that mine comes out of. The problem happened when the other company took over running it; it is part of SBC, but at an arms length and don't have a clue. I'm told I'll have PacBell for a while for service, but don't plan on using it, just going through their system to my accounts, which is not AOL except for posting since I'm able to block spam. I'm putting DSL in Washington State for Verizon, they are growing as are all the others. AT&T is up here and really pushing Cable. Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 11:03:09 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: What's wrong with this idea? >>From 'Michael Harvell': >VOIP? What do you say to that? R U calling it phone >services? Why or why not? The FCC has committed >to staying out of it. Ah. You're still subject to regulations. In this case, the FCC has said they're not going to regulate, so no harm, no foul. >But, VOIP requires some local loop >lines, doesn't it? Sure it does. Otherwise, how could it >go from the PSTN to the InterNET? I did not own any >lines, have linemen or trucks or utility ROW's or buried >cable or nothing more than a CallCenter has or a broad- >cast faxing service has. I had 4 sets of tip 'n ring wires >connecting me to the local a telephone service. Thats >what I had. see below. >>Ok, so do you have business lines? I wasn't sure >>just from reading the post... >************************************************************* >No. Just residential lines. Well then, I'm not surprised that they went after you, nor do I have much sympathy for you. >No reason at all. That is, if I were providing a for-pay phone >service. Define that. Does your definition include room-mates >who pay you a share of your phone costs for the use of their >phone? Does it include EasyTel who rents a phone from the >local TelCo in their name, puts it in your house and charges >you EXTRA for using it? Does EasyTel file tarriffs? And do you split the bill evenly, or do you make a profit off your roommates? >On my side of the service 'n disconnect, >I am of the opinion that what I do with my line is my business. >If its in my home and I want to run a little sex chat enterprise, > or some sort of multi-levely soap selling business, I consider >it my business alone. Well, it's not just *your phone* that you're using. You are also using the network that the phone company owns and pays to maintain. If you put an excessive amount of traffic on that network, you can expect to pay more for the privilege or get disconnected. As an ISP, I've dealt with people who think they can sit on a dialup line 24 hours a day. Then they've gotten upset when I tell them no. "Well, I'm paying my $20 per month!" Well, let's check the costs out here. $20 per month *may* pay for the phone line. Then you have at least one dialup server, which typically costs $6000-$9000 used, or $12-15K new. You have the routers that manage traffic, plus the outgoing leased-lines that carry the traffic. You have service contracts on the equipment. Then you have a support staff to pay. Suddenly, $20 per month from a single dialup customer isn't enough to even come within miles of covering your costs. The phone company has costs to cover too. It sounds like they figured out what you were doing, realized that they could end up losing a lot of money if they let you continue to do it, and prevented you from doing it. I'm not a telco employee, nor am I a telco apologist. In general, I hate phone companies. But I understand the reasoning behind what your telco did and in the same situation, I would very likely have made the same decision. - -- A beautiful Chow puppy was rescued a couple months ago from the Geauga County, Ohio animal shelter and has been fostered in a home in Montville, OH. After receiving medical care and much love, he's ready for a permanent home. http://www.WrinkleDogs.com/rescue/fall2000/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 11:23:47 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Linc Madison wrote: > No, NANPA maintains no records at all of what prefixes are local to > which other prefixes. NANPA just assigns the area codes, and in some > states the prefixes; what constitutes a local calling area is purely a > state regulatory issue. > > There are companies that maintain such databases, but they charge quite > a lot of money for access, since the database is enormous and requires > considerable work to keep current and accurate. This may be true, but it is wrong. This information needs to be free to the public so that we can compare rates and choose carriers intelligently. If NANPA won't track and publish it, then the state PUCs ought to. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 13:46:26 -0500 From: "Rob Fritts" Subject: Re: Britain Braces for Battle on Workplace Surveillance Is there honestly anyone that believes that their email or phone conversations at work are truly private? I don't know that they have the "right" to snoop on employees, but there certainly is no expectation of privacy on a network (PSTN or data) that you neither maintain, pay for, nor own. I don't like when my boss looks over my shoulder, because it makes me feel like a kid again. But, I certainly compose every email w/ the expectation that it could get back to her. I firmly believe that if you're using company resources, you have a duty to represent yourself, your boss, and your company in a professional manner. If that happens, then no one would have a problem, even if private communications got back around to the people that might care. Regards, - -rob "Monty Solomon" wrote in message news:v04220805b621dcc84e29@[32.226.86.53]... > Britain Braces for Battle on Workplace Surveillance > > Sunday, October 22, 2000 > > By Richard Meares > > LONDON (Reuters) - Britain is braced for a legal war over how far > employers can snoop on their staff in the digital age, and other > Western countries will be watching closely. > > A new business-friendly law coming into force on Oct. 24 will spark > the struggle over intercepting communications -- and just how private > an e-mail or a phone call from work can be. > > http://news.lycos.com/headlines/World/article.asp?docid=RTINTERNATIONAL-BRIT AIN-SNOOPING-DC&date=20001022 > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 14:00:29 -0500 From: "Nathan Mills" Subject: Re: Dialogic D/41A Specs/Info Needed In article <8sv1nu$gjc$1@tom.iecc.com>, "News Reply" wrote: > I recently came across an old Dialogic D/41A voice card, and I'm in need > of any docs which may be available. I was informed by Dialogic tech > support that the card has been deemed "obsolete" about 10 years ago, and > they no longer have any information about the card. One of the companies I work for has 12 of them sitting in a drawer, of various vintage, and two that are actually in use... Dialogic's website does, in fact, have DOS drivers for this particular beast. > I am in need of any actual card specs (jumper/switch settings, etc), as > well as any suggestions for some high level, inexpensive software (that > doesn't require any complicated programming....I'm not a programmer) > which will still work with this card to perform voice mail and call > processing functions. DOS, Windows, Linux, it doesn't matter which > operating system. > (I'm just tinkering with this at home.) A company by the name of Stok makes "Contact Caller," but that's $300/port, apparently with a minimum of one board worth, so a minimum of $1200. If that hasn't already turned you off, though, it comes (or at least did many, many years ago) with manual that includes a section on configuring the Dialogic board. Their website is http://www.stok.com/ Unfortunately, I don't have one of the boards in front of me so my information could be quite wrong. IIRC, there's a set of dip switches that control the IO address of the board, and then some jumpers that control the irq, maybe. If you download the drivers from Dialogic, you can probably play around with the switches and figure out exactly which setting is which. All I can force my cobweb for a brain to come up with is that one of the IO addresses is along the lines of d400, and they're all in a range around that. If you can't get it, e-mail me, and I'll see if I can't dig up the manuals and get you the information. Hope that helps, - -Nathan - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 15:06:59 -0500 From: John De Hoog Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices RE: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices On 2000/10/29, Al Gillis wrote... >Should the building/complex owner charge the exchange carrier for >the space, power and whatever they may need to provide their >services to residents/tenants? Why stop at telecom facilities? Why not electrical, water, gas, elevator services, etc.? Building owners don't charge providers for those services because they have an interest in added value they can provide to their tenants (and charge for indirectly through higher rents, presumably). - -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 15:07:18 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: What's wrong with this idea? 28 Oct 2000 15:45:30 -0400 MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) wrote: >I live in High Point, NC. North State TelCo rules there. >They sell a $35/mo. service to residential customers >providing unlimited expanded-area calling for the flat >monthly fee. The service is NOT offerred to business >customers. > >I ran 4 lines to my home. Each had inbound CallerID >support and call transfer support. The call transfer >allowed each line to switch a call and go offhook. >That is, after receiving an incoming call, I could do >a flashhook, dial a 3rd number, another flashhook >to connect all 3 parties, then go offhook without >disconnecting the remote parties from each other. > >Thus, people could dial me, I could read their caller >ID, verify the number they were calling from, issue >them 4-beeps as a cue, after which they would key >in the number they wished to be transferred to (which >would be a number in the expanded local calling >area), then I would flashhook & transfer 'em. The >entire process took about 20-40 seconds. My line >was then made available for another incoming call. > >With this process, on those 4 lines, I could easily >transfer half-a-million calls per month. The TelCo >complained. I contacted the NC Utilities Commish, >who informed me I was in violation of North State's >filing (it appeared that North State wrote their own >laws directly into the General Statutes. I was informed >that I could be fined $1000 per incident. Since I did >not have $5,000,000 bucks-a-month to spare, I started >giving the service away. That way, according to the >NC Utilities Commission, I was not in violation of >anything. I did it for about 6-months. Then, what the >hell, I stopped. No money - no way out it seemed. If you want to make yourself a "switching center" and make money off it you are playing telephone company. I don't know what particular tarriff might be involved in this, but if you are acting as a switching center to prevent the telco from getting their normal tarriffed rate for connections you are competing with them and not in a lawful way. If you want to be a telephone switching center you'll have to file with the appropriate parties and of course pay the associated charges that a telco has to pay like reciprocal compensation, etc. Telco isn't in business to have their residential subscribers re-sell their services. If you want to be a re-seller you should go through the proper channels. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 15:08:49 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out 28 Oct 2000 16:27:49 -0400 MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) wrote: >Quickly, what is the difference between Opt In/Out? Opt in means that the company/organization requires that you indicate by your acceptance (a check box or similar) that you wish to receive periodic mailings or communications. In other words you have been asked and accepted the opportunity to have their communications. Opt out means that they've gone ahead and sent you mailings or communications and it's on you that you contact them to *not* receive their mailing or communication. Businesses that use the opt out mode of sending emailings or communications are prime candidates for being reported to their upstream connectivity and classified as spammers. Not appreciated by net users. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 15:23:55 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices The Old Bear wrote: "But there are few landlords who require things like "I will only allow the Yellow Cab Company's taxis to use the driveway to the building because I have made an exclusive arrangement with that company to serve the tenants." Not that this couldn't happen, but it would be so disruptive as to make most properties unappealing." Interestingly enough, there's a high-rise apartment building in Louisville, Kentucky, that *did* have an arrangement with Yellow Cab. It wasn't exclusive, fortunately; what they did was have a private phone in the lobby to make it easy to call for a cab. Yellow used to have these in a lot of high-traffic spots around Louisville (even, IIRC, in a Kroger supermarket). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 15:24:28 -0500 From: craigm@earthling.net (Craig Macbride) Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: >We should outlaw the *result* of the act, not the act itself. And >hey, what do you know, there are ALREADY laws against that... >amazing. :) Unfortunately, while this is nice in theory, it's not very effective in practice. It's like the way the USA allows very high blood-alcohol levels in drivers and then doesn't generally even enforce those levels. Letting people drive drunk and then charging them with murder once they've killed someone or letting people drive while holding onto a mobile phone until they smash into someone isn't that clever. There are lots of people out there who are plain _stupid_ and will rationalise that whatever stupid action won't go wrong _for them_. Have you ever heard of the idea that prevention is better than cure? - -- Craig Macbride - -----------------------http://www.nyx.net/~cmacbrid------------------------ "It's a sense of humour like mine, Carla, that makes me proud to be ashamed of myself." - Captain Kremmen - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 16:00:52 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? In <39FC4F20.97034FF@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> John David Galt writes: >> >> There are companies that maintain such databases, but they charge quite >> a lot of money for access, since the database is enormous and requires >> considerable work to keep current and accurate. >This may be true, but it is wrong. This information needs to be free to >the public so that we can compare rates and choose carriers intelligently. >If NANPA won't track and publish it, then the state PUCs ought to. Or, more elegantly, adjust calling charges so that all intra-LATA calls are untimed. (unmetered would be even better, but I doubt we'll see that in my lifetime). Consolidation of rate centers throughout a LATA would make everyone's life much, much easier. It would also dramatically reduce the need for new area codes. Alas, it might also reduce ILEC revenues, so the chances of it occurring rank up there with politicians telling the truth. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 16:15:43 -0500 From: psnews@equinus.co.uk (Graham Harris) Subject: Samsung DCS Call Logging Output Does anyone have an example they could share of the call logging output of a Samsung DCS? I'm particularly interested in the format of calls in to ISDN DDI numbers. - -- Graham Harris - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 16:56:13 -0500 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Junk Phone calls The following number is one of 5 calls I got within 20 minutes at my home phone to my voice mail system. It was an automated call without any monitoring since most of the call was cut off during my out going message. The number is 800-378-7338. It is a number for the Republican National Committee selling George W. Bush. I would not care who it was; to me it was pure junk and my out going voice message is very clear. I believe ll should call this number; no matter who you want for President and let them know you don't like junk phone calls. Maybe if they get a bill 10 times what the Federal Deficit is they will think twice. Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2000 17:10:56 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? >Or, more elegantly, adjust calling charges so that all intra-LATA calls >are untimed. (unmetered would be even better, but I doubt we'll see that >in my lifetime). Well, maybe. Some LATAs are pretty large, like the entire state of Utah. I don't think it's unreasonable to have some intra-LATA toll calling. >Consolidation of rate centers throughout a LATA would make everyone's life >much, much easier. It would also dramatically reduce the need for new >area codes. No argument there. It worked pretty well in Colorado. The degree of silliness varies somewhat, e.g., there are eight rate centers within the city of Boston which is absurd. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 00:56:28 -0500 From: tknab@nyx.net (Terry Knab) Subject: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 Missouri regulators have come up with an overlay idea for the 816 area code. As reported a few days ago in the KC Star, the plan would call for a second area code to be added on top of the existing 816. My question for the readers of this newsgroup is twofold: 1. Since all parts of 816 are NOT local to each other (eg, St. Joe isn't local to KC, yet is all 816), how would this overlay affect rate centers? (Is there any other area code overlay out there that isn't in a 'local' calling area?) 2. Is conservation really the answer? The areas in 816 with lots of numbers not used are in primarily rural communities that use maybe 1-2,000 numbers. How would forcing the local telco to give up 5,000 numbers in an exchange that isn't local to anyone be useful? Now, if very 816 number were a local call, this could just be crazy enough to work. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry E. Knab News/Acting System Administrator Nyx Public Access Unix - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 01:17:22 -0500 From: tknab@nyx.net (Terry Knab) Subject: Re: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash John McHarry wrote: : They are attempting that in the US also. Since they hand out the : cards on the spot, I always fill in bad information. If I run into : one of these things in a store where I don't want to go to the bother, : I forego the purchase. I also don't give them a card unless there is : a discount involved. Discounts here are usually for specific items. My problem with those blasted saver cards is that one store in my area is notorious for putting EVERY thing in their ad requiring that stupid card. I take care of that easy enough, I shop their competitors. The fact is that I do NOT want them knowing what I buy. Period. The problem I have with this is if they're not going to sell the data, why in the hell are they collecting it? We all know with the advent of scanners, its easy enough to determine what people are buying. All the scam cards to is to make it easier to figure out *who* is buying it. Sorry, but I won't carry one of the damn cards, or shop a store that requires them. One of the first things Albertson's did when they took over Lucky/Sav-On/Osco was to get rid of those shopper cards, Instantly. I recall the boxes being put up not a day or two after the merger closed. (although one or two of the divisons they bought may still use them, Albertson's got rid of them fairly fast in most of the stores) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #107 ******************************** From ???@??? Tue Oct 31 07:44:40 2000 Date: 31 Oct 2000 00:39:24 -0500 Message-ID: <20001031053924.6801.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #108 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 819a09fba933c34c0544668bbd8e629c Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Tuesday, October 31 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 108 In this issue: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Rdc for standardized telephone loops ??? Re: What's wrong with this idea? Web Site That Prompted Phone Calls is a Form of Harassment Germany Looks to E-Mail Privacy Clinton says he'll veto online identification bill Telecom Update (Canada) #256, October 30, 2000 Re: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft ISDN services in Japan Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 test post Audioconferencing signals Re: Britain Braces for Battle on Workplace Surveillance Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Chambers Named to National Security Telecommunications Sale of More.com's customer list raises privacy concerns 10/30/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES "High-Tech Snooping All in Day's Work" DoCoMo in Talks Over Stake in AT&T Wireless, FT Says (Update3) A Rough Ride for Globalstar Re: What's wrong with this idea? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Oct 2000 06:53:58 -0500 From: HALinNY77@aol.com Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? In a message dated 10/30/00 06:17:34 Eastern Standard Time, someone writes: > >This may be true, but it is wrong. This information needs to be free to > >the public so that we can compare rates and choose carriers intelligently. > >If NANPA won't track and publish it, then the state PUCs ought to. > The information is free to the public. Just go to your state PUC and ask them to show you the umpteen hundreds of tariffs they have on file. Then you can spend a few days figuring out what's in them, how they apply, who they apply to, etc., etc. Then you can compile a list. You can even copyright and sell the compilation (not the data). Or you can go to each of the LECs and CLECs and ask them for the same info. One more thing to remember is that generally they will not send you this information; you have to go to their offices to see it. If they do offer copies, it is generally for a fee. The same is true for the PUCs. So while it is possible to do all this, there is a lot of time and effort involved and as such, accuracy may suffer. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 06:57:41 -0500 From: "Gunter" Subject: Rdc for standardized telephone loops ??? Hello, I am currently working on aproject for which I need to know the Rdc (DC resistance) for several standardized (ETSI) twisted pair telephone loops. e.g., British cables: BT_dw1, BT_dw3, .... , BT_dwug French cables: FT_dw1, FT_dw2, ... FT_08 German cables : DTAG_35, DTAG_40 ,DTAG_50 & DTAG_60 etc... (refer to ETSI document ETSI/STC TM6(97)02, should you have this) In any case, could anyone provide me with a weblink or a good formula so I can retrieve the Rdc for these loops???\\ Thans in advance... G - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 08:18:28 -0500 From: "Nathan Mills" Subject: Re: What's wrong with this idea? In article <39fb22f5.17530631@nntp.northstate.net>, MHarvell@northstate.net wrote: > With this process, on those 4 lines, I could easily transfer > half-a-million calls per month. The TelCo complained. I contacted the NC > Utilities Commish, who informed me I was in violation of North State's > filing (it appeared that North State wrote their own laws directly into > the General Statutes. I was informed that I could be fined $1000 per > incident. Since I did not have $5,000,000 bucks-a-month to spare, I > started giving the service away. That way, according to the NC Utilities > Commission, I was not in violation of anything. I did it for about > 6-months. Then, what the hell, I stopped. No money - no way out it > seemed. If this is a small telco next to a larger one, which is getting most of your calls, you could probably fairly easily run them out of business. Reminds me of a service they once had in an area out in the boondocks around here. When the Internet became popular, people started buying this service for $20/mo and camping on the lines 12 or more hours a day. Since all the ISPs used Southwestern Bell, this small telco ended up paying gobs of money to SWB in settlement, none of which they were seeing from the customers, obviously. Needless to say, they dropped the service, since they were paying over $10,000 a month to SWB for the campers. They don't have more than a few thousand subscriber lines, run off of a DMS-10, so you can imagine how big a chunk that was taking out of their budget. They decided to start their own ISP, but that's a story for another day. - -Nathan - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 09:28:50 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Web Site That Prompted Phone Calls is a Form of Harassment Web Site That Prompted Phone Calls is a Form of Harassment Creating a Web site disparaging a person, and including that individual's address and telephone number, can result in criminal culpability for aggravated harassment, a panel of the New York Appellate Term, 2nd Department, ruled last week in an apparent case of first impression. http://www.law.com/cgi-bin/nwlink.cgi?ACG=ZZZ85AR9LEC - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 09:31:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Germany Looks to E-Mail Privacy Germany Looks to E-Mail Privacy BERLIN -- The German government appears likely to pass a law, later this year or next, that will place restrictions on companies' monitoring of the e-mails employees send and receive in the workplace. The move in support of citizens' rights to privacy in e-mail and other communications could set an important example internationally, especially considering the contrast with the United States, where employers have unrestricted access to employee e-mail and other communications. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39610,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 09:35:12 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Clinton says he'll veto online identification bill Clinton says he'll veto online identification bill JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press WASHINGTON (October 26, 2000 6:33 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - - President Clinton promised Thursdsay to veto a budget provision banning online sales of Social Security numbers because it's so full of loopholes. "The bill creates loopholes that seriously undermine the goal of the legislation to protect privacy," Clinton said in a veto threat letter to Republicans. http://www.techserver.com/noframes/story/0,2294,500273148-500426367-502667162-0,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 10:22:42 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Group Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #256, October 30, 2000 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 256: October 30, 2000 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Nortel Results Trigger Share Collapse ** AT&T to Split in Four ** BCE Realigns Business Units ** C1, Wispra Plan Merger ** Cannect Buys Delphi Solutions ** Shaw to Upgrade Internet Network ** Telus to Release Excess Spectrum ** RIM Execs Endow Research Institute ** IMagicTV Goes Public ** CRTC Issues Rationale for DSL Ruling ** Rogers-Shaw Cable Swap Approved ** Rogers Offers Two-Way Messaging ** Telus Mobility Adds E-Mail ** Financial Reports Aliant BCE Cogeco JDS MTS Telus ** "The Most Professional Consultants" ============================================================ NORTEL RESULTS TRIGGER SHARE COLLAPSE: On October 24, Nortel Networks reported a 42% increase in quarterly revenue and earnings before one-time costs that were 64% over 1999. The company's share price then dropped 38% in a massive sell-off, apparently triggered by the fact that the company predicted slower growth (only 30% to 35%!) next year. AT&T TO SPLIT IN FOUR: By 2002, AT&T Corp. will be reorganized into four separately traded public entities: consumer, broadband, business, and wireless. Three will actually be separate companies -- the consumer group will be part of the business company, but will have its own tracking stock. ** AT&T's biggest competitor, WorldCom, says it will announce a restructuring on November 1. It, too, is expected to create a separate consumer LD business in some form. BCE REALIGNS BUSINESS UNITS: BCE Inc. has created a new company, BCE Ventures, with responsibility for its holdings in Bell Canada International, Telesat Canada, CGI, BCE Capital, Bimcor, Excel Communications, and Look Communications. The company's other units -- Bell Canada, Teleglobe, BCE Emergis, Bell ExpressVu, and the still-unnamed new media company -- are essentially unchanged by the restructuring. C1, WISPRA PLAN MERGER: Competitive Local Exchange Carrier C1 Communications and Wispra Networks plan to merge, taking the name XO Communications Canada. Montreal-based Wispra holds licenses for 24 GHz spectrum in six major urban areas. XO Communications, formerly Nextlink, is a U.S.-based CLEC and a major investor in Wispra. (See Telecom Update #212, 254) CANNECT BUYS DELPHI SOLUTIONS: Cannect Communications has bought Markham, Ont.-based Delphi Solutions, a 240-employee vendor of Mitel, Nitsuko, Panasonic, and Toshiba business phone systems. SHAW TO UPGRADE INTERNET NETWORK: Shaw Communications will spend $200 Million on network improvements to improve performance of its high-speed Internet service. The upgrade is to end Shaw's dependence on Excite@Home network services. (See Telecom Update #255) TELUS TO RELEASE EXCESS SPECTRUM: Telus, Clearnet, and QuebecTel will release 20 MHz of PCS spectrum in each of BC, Alberta, and Quebec, to comply with the spectrum aggregation limit. Industry Canada will add this spectrum to the upcoming PCS auction, subject to a 12-month transition period to allow orderly migration of customers. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/pics/sf/25-10-00.pdf RIM EXECS ENDOW RESEARCH INSTITUTE: Mike Lazaridis, co- founder of Research In Motion, plans to donate $100 Million to fund a new institute of theoretical physics in Waterloo, Ont. RIM executives Jim Balsillie and Doug Fregin are also donating $10 Million each to the project. ** RIM has priced its new share offering to raise net proceeds of $888 Million. (See Telecom Update #255) IMAGICTV GOES PUBLIC: Saint John, NB-based IMagicTV plans an Initial Public Offering of 4.75 million shares. IMagicTV, 36% owned by Aliant, has recently received a US$15-Million investment from Cisco and AOL. CRTC ISSUES RATIONALE FOR DSL RULING: In September, the CRTC ruled that DSL Service Providers are permitted to lease unbundled local loops on the same basis as CLECs (see Telecom Update #251). Last week the Commission released Order 2000- 983, which explains the ruling. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2000/O2000-983.htm ROGERS-SHAW CABLE SWAP APPROVED: In Decision 2000-419, the CRTC approves the exchange of cable systems proposed by Rogers Communications and Shaw Communication in March (see Telecom Update #226). Rogers will get Shaw's cable operations in southern Ontario and New Brunswick, in exchange for Rogers' operations in British Columbia. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Decisions/2000/DB2000-419.htm ROGERS OFFERS TWO-WAY MESSAGING: Rogers AT&T Wireless subscribers can now send as well as receive text messages of up to 150 characters on selected PCS handsets, using a "Predictive Text" typing aid. TELUS MOBILITY ADDS E-MAIL: Alberta and BC users of Telus Mobility's I-Web Microbrowser can now send and receive e-mail and access existing e-mail accounts from their cellphones. FINANCIAL REPORTS: Unless otherwise stated, results are for the third quarter. ** Aliant reports net income of $56.6 Million, up 18% from last year. Revenue grew 9.3% to $568 Million. These results do not reflect the one-time charge of $35 Million absorbed last week by Stratos Global, Aliant's satellite services unit. (See Telecom Update #248) ** BCE's net income after one-time items rose 13% to $329 Million. Revenue increased 8% to $4.47 Billion, "due mainly to strong growth in data." Bell Mobility's subscriber base increased by 118,000, and average revenue per subscriber rose to $48/month, compared to $44 the previous quarter. ** Cogeco Cable revenues for the quarter ended August 31 were $98 Million, 20% above last year. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ============================================================ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 10:31:52 -0500 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: New U.S. Web Service Warns Of Identity Theft On 29 Oct 2000 07:06:25 -0500, David Lind wrote: : :Thanks for the heads up Jay. Considered this offer. Having my identity stolen :is a mucho, bad dream. : :Maybe creating a user account and then disabling incomming email/spam would :make this offer workable? -- David If the "service" notifies you by e-mail about a suspected fraud attempt, then registering it with a throwaway e-mail address will block their spam but also block any actual notification attempts. I think that the whole scheme is exploiting FUD [1] about possible identity theft in order to enhance a marketing database. [1] Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 10:33:06 -0500 From: John De Hoog Subject: ISDN services in Japan While DSL, Cable and the like continue to get most of the attention, ISDN services are alive and well in Japan. Here's what we have in our home today -- One ISDN line (2B+D), with three phone numbers (business, family, FAX) and a flat-rate Internet connection. The three-phone-numbers-on-one-line service, called i-number, is quite new. So is the ISDN service, called FLET's ISDN. This service offers a permanent 64 kbps Internet connection to the provider of your choice, for a flat monthly phone rate and flat ISP charge. You are given a dialup number in the phone company's switch. Based on your logon, which includes both your user name and your provider, you are connected to your ISP and can stay connected 24 hours a day if desired. Or, you can disconnect when you want to free the channel for other uses. One advantage of this service is that you are not tied to one ISP, but can switch easily or even have multiple ISPs on the same FLET's service. The phone company, NTT, is planning to upgrade this service to ADSL with a downstream rate of 1.5 Mbps in the near future, but still making use of ISDN links. I don't have the details on how this will be possible. - -- John De Hoog dehoog@nifty.com http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 11:45:19 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 >1. Since all parts of 816 are NOT local to each other (eg, St. Joe isn't >local to KC, yet is all 816), how would this overlay affect rate centers? Not at all. >(Is there any other area code overlay out there that isn't in a 'local' >calling area?) Many, such as the two in Maryland. >2. Is conservation really the answer? The areas in 816 with lots of >numbers not used are in primarily rural communities that use maybe 1-2,000 >numbers. How would forcing the local telco to give up 5,000 numbers in an >exchange that isn't local to anyone be useful? Now, if very 816 number were >a local call, this could just be crazy enough to work. The problem is that every CLEC needs numbers in every rate center in which it plans to offer service, but each CLEC rarely has very many customers in each rate center. If conservation allocates numbers by the thousand rather than ten thousand, ten CLECs could share a single prefix, which will save a lot of prefixes. Rate center consolidation also helps, although ILECs don't like that for a variety of self-serving reasons. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 12:33:01 -0500 From: John Nagle Subject: test post test only - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 12:39:07 -0500 From: "Michael Pevzner" Subject: Audioconferencing signals Hello. I'm looking for some information on signaling during audioconferencing session (including recording alarms). I know that there are no standards yet on this subjects, but I suppose there are some preliminary conventions. Any information is welcomed. - ---------------------------- Michael Pevzner - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 14:05:54 -0500 From: nospam@elmhurst.msg.net (nospam) Subject: Re: Britain Braces for Battle on Workplace Surveillance In article <%yWK5.47277$%t3.2677753@news1.rdc1.tx.home.com>, Rob Fritts wrote: >Is there honestly anyone that believes that their email or phone >conversations at work are truly private? I use my personal cell-phone, my personal pilot PDA, and my personal laptop at the office. Since I'm the only person who understands the meaning of TEMPEST, I'd venture that they are reasonably private :-) When the last Fortune-500 firm I was employed at offered me a company PCS phone (with no bill-back for personal calls on the company phone), I left it plugged in to the charger on my desk and forwarded the calls to my personal cell phone. No reason to give any employer more access to your personal life than is necessary. >I firmly believe that if you're using company resources, you have a duty to >represent yourself, your boss, and your company in a professional manner. >If that happens, then no one would have a problem, even if private >communications got back around to the people that might care. The problem comes where you use your "private" hotmail account from the company computer to send and receive "private" email with your mother on how certain medical conditions run in your family, and a month later the company terminates your insurance coverage. Being a "private person" may not be the least expensive route, but there is a price worth paying for privacy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 17:07:02 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? danny burstein wrote: >> This may be true, but it is wrong. This information needs to be free to >> the public so that we can compare rates and choose carriers intelligently. >> If NANPA won't track and publish it, then the state PUCs ought to. > Or, more elegantly, adjust calling charges so that all intra-LATA calls > are untimed. (unmetered would be even better, but I doubt we'll see that > in my lifetime). I don't see how this would affect the problem of knowing what numbers are toll. Besides, I hate to say it but I really don't think untimed local calling will be around much longer, with calls to ISPs that last hours. Or if it is, everyone's monthly rates will have to rise to cover the costs. You might as well require that every exchange have enough trunks that all phones simultaneously can have "nailed up" connections -- and charge users as if they did! If DSL/broadband becomes popular, this may very well happen. > Consolidation of rate centers throughout a LATA would make everyone's life > much, much easier. It would also dramatically reduce the need for new > area codes. I agree, but I don't think it is practical, nor necessarily fair in LATAs a hundred miles or more across. Local calling throughout a metro area would be nice, but extend it much beyond that and it results in city people subsidizing service to the boonies. Which I think is a bad idea. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 17:41:00 -0500 From: "Martin A. Flynn" Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? John David Galt wrote: > > You might as well require that every exchange have enough trunks that all > phones simultaneously can have "nailed up" connections -- and charge users > as if they did! If DSL/broadband becomes popular, this may very well happen. John, Actually the exact opposite would be true - DSL does not require a line connected to the switch fabric. If more of the users move off a switched connection onto a DSL provisioned line (or dry pair if the DSL is not provided by the ILEC), the numbers of required "trunks" go down. The number of F2 pairs increases, but that's something the ILEC can recover the cost of from the customer or the DSL provider. Regards, Martin - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 21:32:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Chambers Named to National Security Telecommunications http://www.pub.whitehouse.gov/uri-res/I2R?urn:pdi://oma.eop.gov.us/2000/10/30/5.text.1 THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ________________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release October 27, 2000 PRESIDENT CLINTON NAMES JOHN T. CHAMBERS AS MEMBER TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY TELECOMMUNICATIONS ADVISORY COMMITTTEE The President today announced his intent to appoint John T. Chambers to serve as a member of the National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee. Mr. John T. Chambers, of Los Altos, California, is President and Chief Executive Officer of Cisco Systems, a worldwide leader in networking for the Internet. In January of 1998, Mr. Chambers was one of two business leaders worldwide to receive a special Trade Award from the Prime Minster of Japan in recognition of Cisco's success as a leader in networking. Prior to joining Cisco, Mr. Chambers spent eight years at Wang Laboratories and six years with IBM. Mr. Chambers received a B.S./B.A. and a J.D. from West Virginia University. He also earned an M.B.A. from Indiana University. The President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee provides the President with technical information and advice on national security telecommunications policy. The committee is composed of no more than 30 members who have particular knowledge and expertise in the field of telecommunications and who represent elements of the nation's telecommunications industry. 30-30-30 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 21:52:36 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sale of More.com's customer list raises privacy concerns Sale of More.com's customer list raises privacy concerns October 27, 2000 Web posted at: 9:55 a.m. EDT (1355 GMT) by Linda Rosencrance (IDG) -- HealthCentral.com this week said it has signed an agreement to purchase the assets of floundering online drugstore More.com -- including its customer list -- and its subsidiary, ComfortLiving.com, for approximately $6 million. http://cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/10/27/online.privacy.idg/index.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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A1; Miller, Greg Many major companies are taking workplace surveillance to the next level by using computer forensics experts and software to uncover everything an employee has done on a workplace PC. Employers argue that the tools help them catch workers who use their office PCs for nefarious activities such as stealing sensitive company data and downloading pornography. Meanwhile, privacy experts worry that computer forensics will help companies pry into their workers' private lives. Computer forensics investigators, who replicate and scrutinize everything on a user's hard drive, admit that these searches often reveal information about workers' marital difficulties, health problems, and financial troubles. New programs such as Guidance Software's Encase are making it easier for forensics experts to quickly find incriminating material on hard drives. Encase copies a hard drive without any alterations and restores deleted files. The software then searches for illicit material and generates a report of its findings. Encase initially drew most of its business from law enforcement agencies, but private sector companies have increasingly embraced the software over the past year. Although privacy advocates object to monitoring employees in the workplace, companies have a nearly unrestricted right to do so. Monitoring now takes place at 45 percent of major U.S. companies, compared to 35 percent two years ago. Microsoft, Boeing, and Disney are among those using powerful computer forensics tools that were originally designed for law enforcement. http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/20001029/t000103426.html For information regarding ACM's activities on behalf of privacy matters, visit http://www.acm.org/usacm/privacy - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 00:23:54 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: DoCoMo in Talks Over Stake in AT&T Wireless, FT Says (Update3) DoCoMo in Talks Over Stake in AT&T Wireless, FT Says (Update3) 10/30/00 8:36:00 PM Source: Bloomberg News Tokyo, Oct. 31 (Bloomberg) -- NTT DoCoMo Inc., Japan's No. 1 cellular phone company, is in talks to buy a minority stake in AT&T Wireless Group, the Financial Times reported, citing an unidentified person close to the matter. DoCoMo is thought to be considering a stake of as much as 20 percent in the AT&T Corp. wireless unit, the FT said. Such a stake would cost as much as $10 billion, based on the value of AT&T Wireless's tracking stock, the FT said. http://www.cnetinvestor.com/newsitem-fd-bloomberg.asp?symbol=106720548 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 00:38:52 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: A Rough Ride for Globalstar A Rough Ride for Globalstar Shares of the satellite phone company get clobbered Monday following a disappointing quarterly earnings report. Globalstar's CEO maintains that the company will prevail despite its very slow start. By Joanna Glasner. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39878,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 00:39:22 -0500 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: What's wrong with this idea? On 10/30/00, at 8:18am -0500, Nathan Mills wrote: >Reminds me of a service they once had in an area out in the boondocks >around here. When the Internet became popular, people started buying >this service for $20/mo and camping on the lines 12 or more hours a >day. Since all the ISPs used Southwestern Bell, this small telco ended >up paying gobs of money to SWB in settlement, none of which they were >seeing from the customers, obviously. Needless to say, they dropped >the service, since they were paying over $10,000 a month to SWB >for the campers. They don't have more than a few thousand subscriber >lines, run off of a DMS-10, so you can imagine how big a chunk that >was taking out of their budget. They decided to start their own ISP, but >that's a story for another day. Sounds like they should have been selling (or reselling) reasonably-priced ISDN. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #108 ******************************** From ???@??? Tue Oct 31 07:44:57 2000 Date: 31 Oct 2000 06:15:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20001031111509.2051.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #109 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 81845685c30668788f0806986f5495bb Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Tuesday, October 31 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 109 In this issue: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Oct 2000 00:45:30 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Betting that folks are getting fed up with glitch-prone DSL and cable broadband connections, a cable industry veteran is quietly planning a network of fiber-optic strands reaching directly into millions of U.S. homes. By Joanna Glasner. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39648,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #109 ******************************** From ???@??? Wed Nov 01 08:01:44 2000 Date: 1 Nov 2000 06:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20001101111511.27730.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #110 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 6d59a3f83ca2f147abcfd58a826917e9 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, November 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 110 In this issue: Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar Re: Sale of More.com's customer list raises privacy concerns Re: NEED AUTOMATIC 2-LINE BRIDGE technician wanted unhappy lucent and Nortel engineers? Computer Search Warrant Valid, Says 9th Circuit Clinton, GOP Compromise On Net Filtering The Cell-Phone Scare Stealth secrets feared stolen Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home 10/31/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Oct 2000 10:18:18 -0500 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home On 10/31/00, at 12:45am -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: >Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home >Betting that folks are getting fed up with glitch-prone DSL and cable >broadband connections, a cable industry veteran is quietly planning a >network of fiber-optic strands reaching directly into millions of >U.S. homes. By Joanna Glasner. >http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39648,00.html The company says they will also be installing coaxial cable to offer a television signal. Why would they do that? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 12:18:12 -0500 From: gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) Subject: Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home "Adam H. Kerman" writes: >On 10/31/00, at 12:45am -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > >>Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home > >>Betting that folks are getting fed up with glitch-prone DSL and cable >>broadband connections, a cable industry veteran is quietly planning a >>network of fiber-optic strands reaching directly into millions of >>U.S. homes. By Joanna Glasner. > >>http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39648,00.html > >The company says they will also be installing coaxial cable to offer a >television signal. Why would they do that? > Because present televisions have coaxial input connectors. Here's a snippet from the article that may clarify: So far, the company has gotten the green light from authorities in six Southwestern cities to build out a fiber network that will eventually offer Internet, cable and phone service to every residential neighborhood. Note that "cable" (i.e. cable TV) service will be offered along with Internet and phone services. -Greg - -- :::: Greg Andrews gerg@panix.com :::: ObGuindon: The correct way to bunt with a carp is head first. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 13:21:27 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Followup to: <8tmrbk$5ou$3@news.panix.com> By author: gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > > >The company says they will also be installing coaxial cable to offer a > >television signal. Why would they do that? > > > > Because present televisions have coaxial input connectors. > Here's a snippet from the article that may clarify: > > So far, the company has gotten the green light from authorities > in six Southwestern cities to build out a fiber network that will > eventually offer Internet, cable and phone service to every > residential neighborhood. > > Note that "cable" (i.e. cable TV) service will be offered along > with Internet and phone services. > The article seems to imply that they put coax in the ground. I'm guessing this isn't the case as much as they have a fiber-in-coax-out box at the MPOE or in neighbourhood clusters. That way they are compatible with existing inside wiring which is invariably 75 ohm coax, rather than requiring that homes switch to fiber to the set-top box. -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 13:23:44 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar Followup to: By author: Monty Solomon In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > A Rough Ride for Globalstar > > Shares of the satellite phone company get clobbered Monday following > a disappointing quarterly earnings report. Globalstar's CEO maintains > that the company will prevail despite its very slow start. By Joanna > Glasner. > > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39878,00.html > Is there any reason to believe Globalstar won't be Iridium II? Are they offering more competitive pricing, and do their phones work indoors? (Also, unless I'm mistaken, Globalstar does need a ground station to be within view of each satellite at all times. Do they have that, or do they have blank spots -- in addition to the ones at the poles?) -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 17:31:50 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Sale of More.com's customer list raises privacy concerns >>From 'Monty Solomon': >(IDG) -- HealthCentral.com this week said it has signed an agreement >to purchase the assets of floundering online drugstore More.com -- >including its customer list -- and its subsidiary, ComfortLiving.com, >for approximately $6 million. How close to 0% is the possibility that we'll eventually see privacy legislation like Europe's? My guess is "very close". - -- ** To all who asked: The Chow now has a good home! Tnx for your interest ** Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, Ohio - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 17:42:11 -0500 From: "Paul Cook" Subject: Re: NEED AUTOMATIC 2-LINE BRIDGE Jack Powers I'm looking for a device that will answer one line with dial tone > from a second line and permit calls out on the second line. > It must hang up the second line when the caller on the first > one hangs up (determined by silence?). > > I believe that sutch gadgets used to be popular for indirect access > to WATS lines, but I can't find one now. Sorry for the delay in responding. This was posted five days ago. We still make the 46300 Secured System Access Line, which does this. Of course you'll need some security, as you don't want just anyone who stumbles across the number calling in and then getting unlimited access to the second line. The 46300 provides this security in a variety of ways, primarily via a PIN, which you can set anywhere from two to fourteen digits. It can also be set up (with an optional internal ring generator) to ring forward into another device (such as a modem) instead of seizing another line once the access code is dialed. Call or email me for details. Paul Cook - Applications Engineer pcook@proctorinc.com 425-881-7000, ext 566 Proctor & Associates 15305 NE 95 St Redmond WA 98052-2517 www.proctorinc.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 17:52:25 -0500 From: usts@uststelecom.com (Mari) Subject: technician wanted Experienced Only! Key, PBX and Voice Mail. Excellent PR skills required. Potential management / working partner position with a growing interconnect company in South Florida. Respond via Email to usts@uststelecom.com Attn: MC - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 19:00:10 -0500 From: ciscojobs2000 Subject: unhappy lucent and Nortel engineers? FYI- ALL YOU UNHAPPY LUCENT AND NORTELL ENGINEERS Cisco HAS A HOME FOR YOU. Contact your friendly local Cisco recruiter at deepjob@hotmail.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 20:32:18 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Computer Search Warrant Valid, Says 9th Circuit Computer Search Warrant Valid, Says 9th Circuit American Lawyer Media The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decided the U.S. Customs Service established probable cause to search the entire computer system of a man convicted of possession and distribution of child pornography for materials he received online. The decision reflects the Internet's growing impact on the law, beyond the intellectual property and free speech issues that have been the focus of attention to date. http://www.law.com/cgi-bin/nwlink.cgi?ACG=ZZZIQYFUYEC - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 22:27:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Clinton, GOP Compromise On Net Filtering Clinton, GOP Compromise On Net Filtering Although the government spending bill carrying a clause requiring Internet filtering on school and library computers that are federally funded is wrapped up in partisan melees, the White House and Republican lawmakers appear to have reached common ground on the filtering question. http://www.washtech.com/news/regulation/4751-1.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 22:33:31 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Cell-Phone Scare Technology Review November/December 2000 The Cell-Phone Scare When fear is the opponent, science doesn't stand a chance By Gary Taubes There is a good-news-bad-news rhythm to the introduction of any pervasive new technology. With cellular telephones, for instance, the good news came with the explosive growth of the industry itself, which by November 1992 had recorded its 10 millionth customer. Three months later came the bad news: David Reynard, bereaved husband, appeared on "Larry King Live" with the remarkable accusation that cell-phone use had caused the brain tumor that killed his wife. Reynard, not surprisingly, was suing the cell-phone companies he held responsible. With that single anecdotal incident, Reynard set in motion a health scare that continues to play in the press and our societal subconscious to this day. If history is any indication, it will continue indefinitely. I can make this prediction free of concern about whether cell-phone use is truly carcinogenic. If it's not, in fact, our anxiety-and the amount of press that fuels this anxiety-is likely to last considerably longer. Such is the nature of fear and the nature of science, and the inability of the latter to dispel the former. http://www.techreview.com/articles/nov00/taubes.htm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 22:39:13 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Stealth secrets feared stolen Stealth secrets feared stolen PAUL SHUKOVSKY SEATTLE P-I REPORTER Oct. 30 - A Russian mathematician who was given access to an American supercomputer loaded with stealth warplane design software is under investigation for espionage. FEDERAL AGENTS SUSPECT that Aleksey Yeremin, who logged on to the supercomputer from Moscow, took advantage of Lockheed Martin and military security lapses to steal stealth technology secrets. http://www.msnbc.com/local/PISEA/5228.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 23:01:08 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar H. Peter Anvin wrote: "Is there any reason to believe Globalstar won't be Iridium II? Are they offering more competitive pricing, and do their phones work indoors?" Dunno on the pricing, but as for indoor use I wouldn't expect *any* satellite phone system to work inside a building, simply because of the distances involved (hundreds of miles up to orbit, versus a fraction of a mile to a cell site). Yes, that is a big limitation on the system, but not one for which either Globalstar's or Iridium's management can fairly be blamed. (There are car kits to use a Globalstar phone in a vehicle, something that Iridium didn't have IIRC.) "Also, unless I'm mistaken, Globalstar does need a ground station to be within view of each satellite at all times. Do they have that, or do they have blank spots -- in addition to the ones at the poles?" >>From the looks of their map (http://www.globalstar.com/pages/coverage.html) they do have a number of gaps, especially in Africa and South Asia. The map may not be a total representation of what their gateways are capable of, because it's probably drawn to leave out countries in which Globalstar is not (yet) authorized to provide service, but the gateway locations are shown and one can extrapolate from there. (I couldn't tell whether or not they have anything in place to prevent use of their phones in spillover areas in countries where they aren't licensed.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2000 23:01:24 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home H. Peter Anvin wrote: "The article seems to imply that they put coax in the ground. I'm guessing this isn't the case as much as they have a fiber-in-coax-out box at the MPOE or in neighbourhood clusters. That way they are compatible with xisting inside wiring which is invariably 75 ohm coax, rather than requiring that homes switch to fiber to the set-top box." "Traditional" cable companies already do that with "hybrid fiber/coaxial" systems. Typically, one fiber is used for each cluster of 500-1500 homes, with the fiber running out to a convenient point in that cluster and coax (with amplifiers) going from there to the customers. It sounds like Winfirst will simply take fiber out to the curb in front of each home and then run coax from there, with each fiber strand only serving a few homes. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Thu Nov 02 07:50:36 2000 Date: 2 Nov 2000 06:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20001102111511.26521.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #111 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: cde8eea7733993afd053a26290143faf Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, November 2 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 111 In this issue: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? read a chapter, get a book Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar new 800/dot com classifieds Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Al Gore And The Internet 11/1/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES FW: BLOCK: AT&T signs bulk hosting contract with spammers Japan ISDN Europe to investigate legality of RIP BAMS/Verizon Wireless Overcharges in Philadelphia Market Senator Gorton dares mention Net privacy Privacy Firm Tries New Gambit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Nov 2000 08:27:26 -0500 From: Diamond Dave Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Most telcos in Pennsylvania except in overlay areas (such as suburban Philly) have it set for 7d within your home NPA, regardless of toll or local. 1+10d for outside your area code, regardless of toll or local. Makes no sense except I think the PA PUC wanted it that way so people wouldn't have to dial 1+10d each time they wanted to make a regional toll call. But its a moot point now since Philly is overlaid and Pittsburgh will soon be. Dave Perrussel Webmaster - Telephone World http://phworld.tal-on.com > >I know that the rules for eastern Pennsylvania were changed when the >first overlays went in. (All calls within the combined 215/610/267/445 >area can be dialed as straight 10d, whether local or toll.) > >However, if Verizon is providing Centrex -- not PBX -- service that >doesn't require a toll marker, in an area that normally requires it, >that's news. > >In other words, if an ordinary POTS line in State College has to dial >1+10d for a toll call, but a Centrex line can dial 8+7d or 9+7d, I'd be >very, very surprised. A PBX can do that, inserting whatever prefix >might be required, but Centrex shouldn't. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 08:30:49 -0500 From: Diamond Dave Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? The GTE side of Verizon (at least in my region of Virginia) still does not allow 1+10d on local calls, which is espcially annoying! >Alas, no. There are still huge areas of the NANP that want to protect >you from accidentally making a local call that you thought was going to >cost money. Texas and Georgia are very bad about that, and I'm sure >there are at least a few other states. If you dial 1+10d on a local >call, you will get an intercept recording telling you, "It is not >necessary to dial a 0 or a 1 when placing this call. Please hang up and >try your call again," or something to that effect. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 11:35:03 -0500 From: ws@shore.net (William Stallings) Subject: read a chapter, get a book I am currently at work on a textbook on wireless communications and networking. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to carefully read a chapter to check for technical errors, computational errors, and typos. Chapter length is from 30 to 50 double-spaced typed pages, plus figures and tables. In return, you will be acknowledged in the Preface and receive a free copy of the book when it comes out next summer. I would need feedback in 4 to 6 weeks. Topics covered include antennas and propagation, signal modulation, spread spectrum, forward error correction, satellite comms, cellular comms, wireless local loop, 802.16, mobile IP, WAP, wireless LAN, 802.11, and Bluetooth. You may mention a special interest in one of these if you wish. You need a technical wireless background and ability to handle PDF and ZIP formats. Please reply by email to ws@shore.net. Thanks! 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Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar Followup to: <8tnj5i$ncboi$1@ID-39509.news.dfncis.de> By author: "Ed Ellers" In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > "Is there any reason to believe Globalstar won't be Iridium II? Are they > offering more competitive pricing, and do their phones work indoors?" > > Dunno on the pricing, but as for indoor use I wouldn't expect *any* > satellite phone system to work inside a building, simply because of the > distances involved (hundreds of miles up to orbit, versus a fraction of a > mile to a cell site). Yes, that is a big limitation on the system, but not > one for which either Globalstar's or Iridium's management can fairly be > blamed. (There are car kits to use a Globalstar phone in a vehicle, > something that Iridium didn't have IIRC.) > Why do the distances matter? It's fundamentally a matter of path loss versus transmitter power+transmitter gain+receiver gain. There is additional path loss due to distance and additional path loss due to the building, but they are additive in logarithmic space (dB). -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 17:04:02 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar H. Peter Anvin wrote: "Why do the distances matter? It's fundamentally a matter of path loss versus transmitter power+transmitter gain+receiver gain." Exactly. Increasing transmitter power to overcome path loss would require larger solar panels on each satellite, and the system would still be limited by the power of the transmitters on each earth terminal (= phone), which can't be increased easily due to battery consumption and RF exposure concerns. (I'm assuming that both ends of the system have the best practical receivers and antennas.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 17:24:05 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: A Rough Ride for Globalstar Followup to: <8tq19c$nj7jg$1@ID-39509.news.dfncis.de> By author: "Ed Ellers" In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > "Why do the distances matter? It's fundamentally a matter of path loss > versus transmitter power+transmitter gain+receiver gain." > > Exactly. Increasing transmitter power to overcome path loss would require > larger solar panels on each satellite, and the system would still be limited > by the power of the transmitters on each earth terminal (= phone), which > can't be increased easily due to battery consumption and RF exposure > concerns. (I'm assuming that both ends of the system have the best > practical receivers and antennas.) > Actually, what you need are better antennas on the satellite. This takes care of the transmitter gain on the downlink and the receiver gain on the uplink. This, of course, adds cost to the satellite: first of all, you need more cells per satellite due to the more tightly focused beam, and second of all, your antenna array becomes bigger. However, you do get a side benefit: higher capacity for the same number of satellites and same amount of RF bandwidth. This may be prohibitively expensive using current technology, but technology advances rapidly. If so, I'd say Iridium, Globalstar et al were probably out a little too early. Talking about early, anyone have any ideas what Teledesic's plans are, in particular, are they aiming for high cost/low volume or low-moderate cost/high volume? -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 17:24:12 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: new 800/dot com classifieds ICB has launched a classified section for: Vendors Sought - 800 Vendors Sought - .COM Business Opportunities Toll Free related Announcements Domain Name related Announcements Employment It is for the time being free. We expect it to populate quickly, and be visited often. Feel free to email mailto:editor@icbtollfree.com with listing category and other suggestions for improving the service to meet your needs. Go here: http://icbtollfree.com, and click the Classified banner, top right of your screen under the date. Regards, Judith Oppenheimer Judith Oppenheimer, 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert Publisher, President, Domain Name & 800: Intelligence, Analysis, Leadership - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 18:15:02 -0500 From: "Chris Ornellas" Subject: Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Hellllooooo?? are we not already fed up with half-assed cabled modems already ? I really doubt that they will really have a dedicated fiber to each city block or smaller. Even if they did, it would still have to be sent through a switch that is local to that city block causing a bottleneck in bandwidth much like we see already in the poorly designed cable modem systems we have today. Granted, fiber will have a larger bandwidth possibility, there will still be complaints because of the local switch traffic. I'm not too optimistic, but I will try to keep an open mind. "Monty Solomon" wrote in message news:v0422080db6240b9c1b91@[32.224.230.241]... > > Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home > > Betting that folks are getting fed up with glitch-prone DSL and cable > broadband connections, a cable industry veteran is quietly planning a > network of fiber-optic strands reaching directly into millions of > U.S. homes. By Joanna Glasner. > > > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39648,00.html > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 18:38:22 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In article <8spkqj$30m$6@news.panix.com>, J.D. Baldwin wrote: >In that URL, Cerf credits Gore's involvement with Internet funding to >1986 and later. The Internet, by that time, wa nearly 20 years old >and was quite large, robust and growing. What are you talking about? I remember the flag day when TCP/IP replaced NCP (the protocol of the ARPANET), and it was January 1, 1983. So in 1986 the Internet was only 3 years old, and there wasn't much commercial use yet (I don't remember offhand when the CIX was formed, but that would probably count as the birth of the commercial Internet). - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 18:38:23 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home In article , Adam H. Kerman wrote: >The company says they will also be installing coaxial cable to offer a >television signal. Why would they do that? Presumably so that all the cable-ready TV sets and VCRs, which have coax connectors, can use the new service. - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 18:38:25 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home In article , Chris Ornellas wrote: >Hellllooooo?? are we not already fed up with half-assed cabled modems >already ? I really doubt that they will really have a dedicated fiber to >each city block or smaller. Even if they did, it would still have to be >sent through a switch that is local to that city block causing a bottleneck >in bandwidth much like we see already in the poorly designed cable modem >systems we have today. Granted, fiber will have a larger bandwidth >possibility, there will still be complaints because of the local switch >traffic. I'm not too optimistic, but I will try to keep an open mind. I've had a cable modem for several years (AT&T Broadband, formerly MediaOne Road Runner, formerly MediaOne Express, formerly HighWay1), and never experienced the bottleneck you describe. They've had bottlenecks in their peering with other ISPs, but that's independent of the technology used for the last mile. If some cable modem providers can't engineer their infrastructure to avoid congestion on the cable, don't blame the technology, blame the providers. This provider is an existence proof that it can be done right. - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 18:38:20 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In article <8sf9sv$5vb$1@news.NERO.NET>, John Stanley wrote: >Nor did Al Gore create the Internet. He's crowing about his 24 years of >public service, and yet the Internet has just had its 25 or 30 year >anniversary, I forget which. The Internet was being built before he got >in office. You seem to be confusing the Arpanet with the Internet. Arpanet was owned by the US military, ran on dedicated network hardware, and they only allowed sponsored research institutions to connect to it, whereas the Internet is an open network that anyone can connect to. Arpanet also used a completely different communication protocol, a predecessor to TCP/IP often called NCP. Arpanet was where much of the networking research that eventually led to the design of the Internet took place, but it wasn't the Internet. In any event, I don't think Gore is claiming credit for the technology, but for the events that led to the Internet being a public network. - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 18:38:21 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In article <8slccv$5tn$1@news.NERO.NET>, John Stanley wrote: >If he won when he first ran, he'd enter Congress in 1977. That's eight >years AFTER the "nascent internet" was funded and first turned on. >Presume all you want, but the internet was funded long before Gore got >to the House. How many times are you going to repeatedly post based on this same misunderstanding? That was the ARPANET, not the INTERNET. - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 19:14:38 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet Followup to: By author: Barry Margolin In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > In article <8slccv$5tn$1@news.NERO.NET>, > John Stanley wrote: > >If he won when he first ran, he'd enter Congress in 1977. That's eight > >years AFTER the "nascent internet" was funded and first turned on. > >Presume all you want, but the internet was funded long before Gore got > >to the House. > > How many times are you going to repeatedly post based on this same > misunderstanding? That was the ARPANET, not the INTERNET. > Actually, the term Internet has existed much longer than it has been public network -- IP stands for "Internet Protocol", and the term referred to it being a network of networks. The ARPANET existed before that, back in the NCP days, but ended up becoming part of the new (first-generation) Internet -- it had a Class A address, I believe. MILNET and NSFNET were some of the later components of the Internet back when it was still not a public network, as well as a fair number of regional research networks. We can call this the second-generation Internet. That being said, what most people think of as the "Internet" probably should be best described as the third-generation Internet, and although it can be argued back and forth how Gore's statement may or may not have been misleading (and if so if it was intentional or accidental), it's pretty clear that it was meant to refer to this third-generation Internet. -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:42:11 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 11/1/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* ICB CLASSIFIEDS HAS ARRIVED - AND ITS FREE! We've finally launched ICB's online classifieds, for: Vendors Sought - 800 ................ Vendors Sought - .COM Toll Free related Announcements ...... Domain Name related Announcements Business Opportunities ............... Employment Until further notice it is FREE. 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Registration contact information is not sold, leased, or rented. ************************************************************************* Editorial: NEW gTLD's: THE TAINTING OF THE FEW Posted today, ICANN says it is 'Avoiding Conflicts of Interest' in choosing new gTLD's. (see http://www.icann.org/tlds/tld-review-update-01nov00.htm) 'It is important that persons having financial interests in the applicants not be involved in making selections among the applications. Accordingly, the members of ICANN's Board of Directors (who will vote on the selections) and its officers and employees (who will be advising the Board on the selections) have reviewed whether they have any relationship to applicants or applications that would make their participating in the selection inappropriate. Based on this review, the following persons recused themselves prior to their consideration of any application: Amadeu Abril i Abril Relationships with CORE and Nominalia, which are participating in various applications. Rob Blokzijl On Advisory Board of CentralNic, a company which was involved in preparing one of the proposals as a technical advisor. Greg Crew CEO of partly owned telecom subsidiary of Melbourne IT, which is participating in several applications. Phil Davidson Employment by British Telecom, which supports the .one application.' - ------------------------------ With incredibly coincidental timing and in-your-face chutzpah (see 10/31/2000, WHAT'S THAT FOUL SMELL?, http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4705), the notice above was quietly posted on ICANN's web site today. Only Amadeu Abril i Abril recused himself, unprompted, on October 2nd at the start of the application evaluation process. (see http://www.icbtollfree.com/txt/tldappreview.html.) According to http://www.internetwk.com/story/INW20001101S0002, 'Experience, technical proficiency, and financial resource are high on ICANN's list of requirements for companies whose proposals they are [**present tense**] evaluating,' said Ken Hansen, director of corporate development at NeuStar Inc., which submitted an application to administer the new domain names .web, .biz, and .per. (NeuStar is tld-application partner of Melbourne IT -- see suddenly-recused Greg Crew, above.) 'ICANN has made [**past tense**] stability, and the ability to maintain the Internet's infrastructure, its most important criteria during the evaluation process,' Hansen said. - --------- ICANN's had the new TLD applications for a solid month. The decision is to be announced in two weeks. It simply strains credibility - and contradicts press comments noted above - - to suggest that there's been no board consideration or evaluation of new TLD applications prior to today's implausible recusals. 'Simply recusing oneself is not sufficient,' admonished Karl Auerbach, newly elected ICANN At Large Director, noting that the Directors have also had an inside track all along. 'Given ICANN's secrecy, these folks have an inside view, a view not available to other applicants, of the criteria, the nuances of the criteria, the biases of those who will evaluate the applications, etc, etc.' Copyright © 2000 ICB, Inc. 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2000 23:31:59 -0500 From: "James Wilson" Subject: FW: BLOCK: AT&T signs bulk hosting contract with spammers Thought you might find this interesting. - -----Original Message----- From: Spam Prevention Discussion List [mailto:SPAM-L@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM]On Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 1:16 PM To: SPAM-L@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM Subject: BLOCK: AT&T signs bulk hosting contract with spammers (just sent this to AT&T, thought SPAM-L would like a copy) AT&T, The Spamhaus Project has just received a fax copy of a Bulk Hosting contract written and signed by AT&T and sent to a known spamhaus, NEVADA HOSTING (aka spammers Ronnie Scelson and Bruce Connelly, in ATT.NET block NETBLK-NEVADAHOSTING-242, 12.36.242.0 - 12.36.242.255) in which AT&T agrees to provide NEVADA HOSTING with Bulk Hosting for spamming purposes. A copy of this fax is now at http://spamhaus.org/rokso/nevadahosting.jpg This fax proves that AT&T knowingly does business with spammers, and shows that AT&T makes 'pink' contracts with known spammers to not terminate the spammers services knowing full well that the only way it can provide this service is to either ignore or bin spam complaints on such "bulk hosted" web sites. Here is an extract from the pink contract which says this: "NevadaHosting wishes to operate Bulk Hosted Web Sites. Bulk Hosting is defined as hosting a web site that is Spammed from other gateways. NevadaHosting only hosts the web site that is advertized in the Spam. AT&T Agrees that it will not terminate the provision of services to NevadaHosting because of NevadaHosting's operation of Bulk Hosted Web Sites" AT&T Abuse will appreciate that I am now going to make this contract public, and of course it will be passed to the MAPS RBL team. Therefore it is very important that this communication is passed to AT&T Management now. - -- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 01:00:55 -0500 From: Praveen Rao Subject: Japan ISDN Dear members, I would appreciate any help on the following queries. 1) How does Japanese ISDN differ from ETSI. Our ISDN stack is compliant with the ETSI requirements.I understand that there are slight deviations between the standards, if anyone can specify them please. Specific info I've heard about that require clarification: 2) The call reference length is standardised to 2 octets. However, PRA may use 1 octet as a "network option." How does one decide when to use 1 octet mode? 3) En bloc sending is regarded as standard. (The dialled number is sent as part of the call SETUP message instead of subsequent INFO messages.) Is overlap sending still supported (such as when a user dials to make a voice call) or do we have to determine if the user has dialled enough digits before sending the SETUP message? Thanks in advance. Praveen Rao ____________________________________________ Praveen Rao, Email: prao@tennyson.com.au, - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 02:00:41 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Europe to investigate legality of RIP Europe to investigate legality of RIP By: Tim Richardson Posted: 27/10/2000 at 15:09 GMT Britain's big brother email snooping law - RIP - could be in breach of European privacy legislation. The legality of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Act is currently being investigated by the European Commission on four separate counts, according to information released today. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/14288.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 02:02:26 -0500 From: "Doug Reuben / www.interpage.net" Subject: BAMS/Verizon Wireless Overcharges in Philadelphia Market Recently, Bell Atlantic Mobile (Verizon Wireless) swapped and acquired ex-Alltel properties in a number of markets, including the Harrisburg, Scranton and Central PA systems (00096 and ex-00172). Most of these acquisitions/transfers were completed in late Spring/early Summer. Shortly thereafter, BAMS Philadelphia (00008) sent out a notice to it's Philly metro area customers (ie, South Jersey/Atlantic City, SE PA inc. Philly, all of Delaware and Cecil County, MD) that portions (but oddly not all) of the ex-Alltel Harrisburg system were now included in the Philly market "home" airtime area. The ex-Alltel now-BAMS/Verizon counties included are: Monroe (I-80 near the PA/NJ Border) , Luzerne (around the I-80/I-81 JCT), Schuykill (I-81 south of I-80), Lebanon (I-78 just west of Allentown where the 00008 BAMS Philly market cuts off), and Lancaster (along US-30 west of where the current 00008 BAMS Philly market cuts off). Essentially, the new counties surround the 00008 system and were probably added so that BAMS/Philly customers who pick up a stray ex-Alltel signal while still in the 00008 system won't call and complain that they were assessed roaming charges. I'm still not clear as to why they just didn't add the Harrisburg and Scranton areas as well (which are part of the ex-Alltel 00006/00172 systems; the 00172 seems to have been retired in 1999 or so and the 00096 took over to cover the whole system; 00172 used to cover the Scranton/Water Gap portion of the system); as it stands right now, the lines are even more nebulous as the roam indicator is not an accurate determinant of if you will pay roaming charges or not in the 00096 system -- you can be in Lancaster and not pay and then go west a bit on US-30 and will pay. In any event, we just received our company bill for calls placed in supposedly-included Lebanon County and they were (incorrectly) billed roaming airtime. The calls were labeled: "Lebanon/B PA" and rated at 50 cents per minute, ie, the Philly Digital Choice roaming rate, NOT the home rate. In other words, the promised "home" rate was not billed correctly and instead calls in the counties which BAMS indicated were to be considered part of the home area were billed as roaming calls instead. This isn't the first time that BAMS has had problems in billing Digital Choice customers the correct rate in their home or extended home; some of my earlier posts from a few years ago when Digital Choice was introduced dealt with BAMS/New England customers being billed the incorrect rate in a number of markets, including the Catskills/01516 (which after months of calls was finally fixed in early 1998), BAMS/Wallingford overbills for roaming in the ATTWS/Litchfield/ 01101 system (also fixed), and more recently BAMS/Philly overbills for calls in Ocean County, NJ (Atlantic City area, 00250), also fixed a few months after I raised the issue with them. Hopefully, BAMS/Philly will be as quick to correct these overcharges, especially after they so publicly promoted them in their billing inserts and directly on their customers invoices. In the meantime, check your bills to make sure that you were billed HOME airtime charges in those five counties in PA and not roaming charges, assuming you are a BAMS/Philly Digital Choice subscriber. (This post and updated SID list are also available at www.wirelessnotes.org) Regards, Doug Doug Reuben / Interpage(TM) Network Services Inc. / www.interpage.net dsr1@interpage.net (617) 696-8000 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 02:04:44 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Senator Gorton dares mention Net privacy Senator Gorton dares mention Net privacy By: Thomas C Greene in Washington Posted: 29/10/2000 at 01:31 GMT As of Saturday, the 106th Congress' legislative session remains hopelessly bogged down in after-hours wrangling, with no more than six of thirteen appropriations bills passed for FY 2001, which began on 1 October. Tuesday is now the target date for a final cleanup session, which will break a record by carrying legislative business further into the election season than any previous Congress has allowed. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/14301.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 02:29:28 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Privacy Firm Tries New Gambit Privacy Firm Tries New Gambit by Declan McCullagh 2:00 a.m. Nov. 1, 2000 PST WASHINGTON -- Zero Knowledge Systems seems to have finally realized a harsh truth: Internet users don't like to pay extra to protect their privacy. The Montreal-based firm won acclaim for its sophisticated identity-cloaking techniques, but very few people appear to have paid the $49.95 a year to cloak their online activities from prying eyes. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39895,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #111 ******************************** From ???@??? Fri Nov 03 09:24:19 2000 Date: 3 Nov 2000 06:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20001103111511.27008.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #112 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 8ad9da4bbd3e5c9960a0e9fcbe22ff1f Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Friday, November 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 112 In this issue: 7d vs. 10d in Pennsylvania Nettrends: What online stores still don't know about you Re: Japan ISDN Web Enters Privacy 'Safe Harbor' rotary telephones Re: FW: BLOCK: AT&T signs bulk hosting contract with spammers Re: FW: BLOCK: AT&T signs bulk hosting contract with spammers Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home Re: Japan ISDN Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Al Gore And The Internet 11/2/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES More Dispute Over Hands-Free Yahoo case raises issue of Internet borders ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Nov 2000 06:56:21 -0500 From: Michael Muderick Subject: 7d vs. 10d in Pennsylvania Even in some overlay areas in Pennsylvania, such as 610/484, we discovered that some exchanges allow 7d within the exchange area. For instance the Kirklyn exchange which covers 446, 449, 789 allows 7 digit dialing within the exchange. Maybe they will keep that until it becomes a problem. Michael Muderick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 09:51:38 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Nettrends: What online stores still don't know about you Nettrends: What online stores still don't know about you PALO ALTO, Calif., Nov 1 (Reuters) - Here's some good news for everyone worried about Internet privacy: the online stores where you shop really don't know every last thing about you. They actually don't know much about you at all. For all the talk of how Web retailers could recreate three-dimensional, head-to-toe profiles of customers just by tracking their mouse clicks, most online stores now confess they don't have such a clear picture. http://www.quote.com/quotecom/news/story.asp?story=17655485 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 10:02:38 -0500 From: John De Hoog Subject: Re: Japan ISDN Praveen Rao asks... >How does Japanese ISDN differ from ETSI. In many small ways. The best thing to do is follow the specifications. They are given here: http://www.ntt-east.co.jp/ISDN/tech/spec/espec/ The following site explains all the differences between the Japanese ISDN interface standards and ITU-T or other international standards: http://www.ttc.or.jp/e/summary/std050/ **************** From: John De Hoog, Tokyo Mail: dehoog@nifty.com Web site: http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 10:06:35 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Web Enters Privacy 'Safe Harbor' Web Enters Privacy 'Safe Harbor' by Chris Oakes 2:00 a.m. Nov. 2, 2000 PST A kind of data-privacy wall has popped up on the Web, and like the world's better-known walls, it is geographical in nature. Safe Harbor, an international privacy agreement approved earlier this year, took effect Wednesday and marked the line between acceptable privacy practices in Europe and the United States. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39909,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 15:09:30 -0500 From: Susan.Freelin@callit.com Subject: rotary telephones Do you have any information on the number of rotary dial telephones still in use in the US? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 16:08:11 -0500 From: jgreco@ns.sol.net (Joe Greco) Subject: Re: FW: BLOCK: AT&T signs bulk hosting contract with spammers In comp.dcom.telecom article , "James Wilson" wrote: [...snip...] :sites. Here is an extract from the pink contract which says this: : :"NevadaHosting wishes to operate Bulk Hosted Web Sites. Bulk Hosting is :defined as hosting a web site that is Spammed from other gateways. :NevadaHosting only hosts the web site that is advertized in the Spam. : :AT&T Agrees that it will not terminate the provision of services to :NevadaHosting because of NevadaHosting's operation of Bulk Hosted Web Sites" : :AT&T Abuse will appreciate that I am now going to make this contract :public, and of course it will be passed to the MAPS RBL team. Therefore it :is very important that this communication is passed to AT&T Management now. Note that AT&T Worldnet responded with a note noting that the contract was entered into by a sales representative without proper authorization and is in conflict with their policies, and as such, the agreement has been terminated. Woohoo, go AT&T. ... JG - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 16:36:24 -0500 From: tknab@nyx.net (Terry Knab) Subject: Re: FW: BLOCK: AT&T signs bulk hosting contract with spammers Joe Greco wrote: : : : :AT&T Abuse will appreciate that I am now going to make this contract : :public, and of course it will be passed to the MAPS RBL team. Therefore it : :is very important that this communication is passed to AT&T Management now. : Note that AT&T Worldnet responded with a note noting that the contract was : entered into by a sales representative without proper authorization and is : in conflict with their policies, and as such, the agreement has been : terminated. And hopefully the sales rep who sold it :) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 18:25:14 -0500 From: "Chris Ornellas" Subject: Re: Coming Soon: Fiber to the Home That's who I was blaming. There a lot of short-sighted boards of directors who try to implement these types of systems without giving the problem the proper amount of thought. In the rush to be the first provider of this type, the systems implemented are rarely up to snuff because they try to use the old cable plant that cannot carry the proper bandwidth without other redundancies such as a fiber node for upstream communications. I'm not trying to argue but the local system here is inadequate. "Barry Margolin" wrote in message news:XL1M5.70$TP2.723@burlma1-snr2... > In article , > Chris Ornellas wrote: > >Hellllooooo?? are we not already fed up with half-assed cabled modems > >already ? I really doubt that they will really have a dedicated fiber to > >each city block or smaller. Even if they did, it would still have to be > >sent through a switch that is local to that city block causing a bottleneck > >in bandwidth much like we see already in the poorly designed cable modem > >systems we have today. Granted, fiber will have a larger bandwidth > >possibility, there will still be complaints because of the local switch > >traffic. I'm not too optimistic, but I will try to keep an open mind. > > I've had a cable modem for several years (AT&T Broadband, formerly MediaOne > Road Runner, formerly MediaOne Express, formerly HighWay1), and never > experienced the bottleneck you describe. They've had bottlenecks in their > peering with other ISPs, but that's independent of the technology used for > the last mile. > > If some cable modem providers can't engineer their infrastructure to avoid > congestion on the cable, don't blame the technology, blame the providers. > This provider is an existence proof that it can be done right. > > -- > Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net > Genuity, Burlington, MA > *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. > Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 20:06:44 -0500 From: "Michi Kaifu" Subject: Re: Japan ISDN Praveen Rao wrote: >1) How does Japanese ISDN differ from ETSI...... You can download a bunch of technical standard documents in English at Telecommunication Technology Committee Web site. Try this and you may find your answers. www.ttc.or.jp/j/summary/std020/index.html I hope it helps. Michi Kaifu ENOTECH Consulting michi@pop.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 21:41:01 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet "H. Peter Anvin" writes: >From: "H. Peter Anvin" >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet >Date: 1 Nov 2000 19:14:38 -0500 >Organization: Transmeta Corporation, Santa Clara CA >Lines: 43 > >Followup to: >By author: Barry Margolin >In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom >> >> In article <8slccv$5tn$1@news.NERO.NET>, >> John Stanley wrote: >> >If he won when he first ran, he'd enter Congress in 1977. That's eight >> >years AFTER the "nascent internet" was funded and first turned on. >> >Presume all you want, but the internet was funded long before Gore got >> >to the House. >> >> How many times are you going to repeatedly post based on this same >> misunderstanding? That was the ARPANET, not the INTERNET. >> > >Actually, the term Internet has existed much longer than it has been >public network -- IP stands for "Internet Protocol", and the term >referred to it being a network of networks. [ . . . ] > >That being said, what most people think of as the "Internet" probably >should be best described as the third-generation Internet, and >although it can be argued back and forth how Gore's statement may or >may not have been misleading (and if so if it was intentional or >accidental), it's pretty clear that it was meant to refer to this >third-generation Internet. > > -hpa I've had my "dot-com" domain name since April of 1994 and I recall beening an anomoly at that time because virtually everyone on usenet was posting from a .edu domain with a smattering of .gov and .mil folks. I also remember a lot of folks being very upset at Al Gore's postition on strong encryption and mandatory escrowed keys. (How come those folks who want to rag on Gore don't bring up his changing his position on this once controversial issue? Is it because he was finally convinced of the illogic of trying to put the genie back in the bottle?) For whatever you think of Gore, he had been pretty much the chief geek in the congress and was they guy who got all the techie issues dropped on his desk during his executive branch years. There used to be (still is?) a mailing list and newsgroup called "com-priv" that was very active in the mid-1990s when the issues of commecialization and privatization of the internet were on the minds of many people in what is now "the industry." There was a lot of horse trading going on in those days -- just a few years ago -- where private interests and public policy came nose-to-nose in figuring how a huge, government-funded set of projects and facilities could be turned into a privately-owned and operated network accessible to the general public. An "information superhighway", if you will. I recall posting to another usenet newsgroup excerpts from America Online's first press release where they announced a plan to exchange traffic with the soon-to-be privatized internet.... and getting flamed by several people who told me in no uncertain terms that quoting an AOL press release was a crass commericial activity that had no place on the 'net and that I was shill or a dupe of the capitalist legions. What does bother me is the conversion of Gore's actual statement - -- that he "took the initiative" in the congress in furthering a number of piece of legislation which dealt with an esoteric piece of academic and military technology that most Americans had never heard of -- and converted it into "I invented the internet." This gets a good laugh as part of a late night TV monologue but it does little to engage people in understanding the role -- for better or for worse -- of the public sector in shaping technology. Whoever sits in the White House for the next four or eight years will be confronting a lot of issues ranging from so-called "open accesss" to content filtering to taxation of online commerce. It would have been nice to see a little bit more about where both candidates stand on these issues -- or if they don't have stands, at least how they would approach understanding them. Instead we get a good one-line joke. Maybe this is why we're still a country where we hear adults -- who would never brag about being unable to understand the NFL draft or the unlikely characters in a network television sitcom -- joke about how illiterate they are when it comes to computers, mathematics, technology, or basic science. After all, I'm writing this with the help of my neighbor's six-year-old daughter who's showing me how to use her computer. Now doesn't that make me just one of guys. Ha. Ha. Ha. Cheers, The Old Bear that just make me one of guys and - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 22:24:34 -0500 From: world!c28f62@uunet.uu.net (Mark Kramer) Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In article , Barry Margolin wrote: >What are you talking about? I remember the flag day when TCP/IP replaced >NCP (the protocol of the ARPANET), and it was January 1, 1983. So in 1986 >the Internet was only 3 years old, So those who were celebrating the 30th anniversary last year were wrong? Funny how it seemed to include a lot of those who were actually there doing the creating. What's the deal? It's 30 years old, except when history needs to be changed to make Gore look right and then it's just 17? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 22:37:19 -0500 From: world!c28f62@uunet.uu.net (Mark Kramer) Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In article , The Old Bear wrote: >I've had my "dot-com" domain name since April of 1994 I got my first in 1991. Domains existed a long time prior to that. >and I recall beening >an anomoly at that time because virtually everyone on usenet was posting You've confused Usenet with the internet. >What does bother me is the conversion of Gore's actual statement >-- that he "took the initiative" in the congress in furthering a >number of piece of legislation which dealt with an esoteric piece of That's not his statement. He took the initiative in creating the internet is what he said. Had he said that his creative activity was limited to passing funding bills, that would be a different story. He's got a valid claim to that, but it doesn't sound as important. >Whoever sits in the White House for the next four or eight years >will be confronting a lot of issues ranging from so-called >"open accesss" to content filtering to taxation of online commerce. And if they claim that they took the initiative to create online commerce, they'd get the roasting they deserve, especially if it's Bush. >Instead we get a good one-line joke. He's a joke, but he's not that good a joke. He's also fed us a lot more than one line. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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The ACLU said it would fight to keep vote-auction.com on the Internet because it was constitutionally protected under the First Amendment. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4713 F - DOMAIN ASSET MGT COMPANY LAUNCHED Targeted at legal and accounting advisors, management consultancies and others in charge of domain name portfolios, services include registration of new names arising from mergers and acquisitions, monitoring of names the client may require but which have been previously registered by other people and dealing with lawyers in foreign jurisdictions. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4712 P - IPC EVALUATION CHART OF NEW TLD'S Under the Intellectual Property Constituency's rating system, the best score, G (Good), notes only, "Favorable approach, which should be further developed." Some of these applications bend over backward with sunrise proposals, easy domain cancellations and the like. 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 00:27:27 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: More Dispute Over Hands-Free More Dispute Over Hands-Free Reuters 1:40 p.m. Nov. 2, 2000 PST LONDON -- Fresh evidence that hands-free mobile phone kits can significantly boost the brain's exposure to radiation was published on Thursday, challenging U.K. government research. British consumer research magazine Which said its new findings confirmed claims it first published in April that using hands-free earpieces could more than triple the brain's exposure to radiation compared to a conventional mobile-phone call. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,39917,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 00:32:21 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Yahoo case raises issue of Internet borders Yahoo case raises issue of Internet borders Yahoo (YHOO) heads back to a Paris court Monday for the third hearing in a case that could set a profound legal precedent for filtering content on the Internet -- or more likely, prove that it is technically impossible. http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/news/news?id=3a01c42cd - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #112 ******************************** From ???@??? Sat Nov 04 12:32:41 2000 Date: 4 Nov 2000 06:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20001104111511.23076.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #113 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 7ae1c623665eaed002e75b345ccfec34 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Saturday, November 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 113 In this issue: Lying about Al Gore Re: Yahoo case raises issue of Internet borders Re: Lying about Al Gore Re: Lying about Al Gore Long distance charge for call to out of area cell-phone Re: Lying about Al Gore Website yields private e-mail Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: service theft problem 11/3/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Nov 2000 07:45:40 -0500 From: Gene Gaines Subject: Lying about Al Gore "Al Gore said he invented the Internet." Creating that untrue statement is viscous propaganda worthy of Herr Goebels. All the distortions notwithstanding, Al Gore did more good work on the "information highway" than any other member of the U.S. government. What is not talked about is the small group of people he put together, and their work on the policy issues which permitted the commercial Internet to be created. Mr. Gore pushed, cajoled, begged and borrowed policy, financial, and technical resources from a number of government agencies to make the Internet happen. It is clear that it is this work, in the United States federal government, which launched the commercial Internet, then created the mechanisms which opened it to the world. Many good people throughout the world contributed to the rise and adoption of time-shared computing, statistical multiplexing, shared networks, then the transition to public networks, such work as the Cerf/Kahn TCP/IP protocol, then the magnificent work of the IETF and such groups, including great creativity in university computer department throughout the United States. Before Mr. Gore, there were a core of people in the Defense Advanced Projects Agency who had dreams of using technology to make a better country and a better world. Remember those people? Dr. Ruth Davis, who went on to head the National Library of Medicine and MEDLARS work? And many others. Remember DOD-financed initiatives in associative memory, remote computing, packet switching, then later ARPANET? The European SWIFT, the magnificent work of Ben Moussa and the French packet switching network? Project MAC? The early work as Stanford, UCLA, PARC? A future glimpsed through TIPs, IMPs? Much of this work was U.S. military sponsored. Then, NSF and other funded research in universities all over the country. Who had the vision, and who did the hard work to transition this work from the defense industry and their contractors to the commercial world, then laid the basis for all of this to be freely accessible to the world? Mr. Gore saw this vision of an information highway for the world, he was excited by it, and he worked, day after day, to push in every way he could, to make it happen. The cruel twist is, that during much of this period, such projects were being attacked by the Republican leadership as "Washington waste", and so much of Mr. Gore's time went into keeping his work low profile, and borrowing and begging resources. (As a congressional staffer said to me at the time, "Bills to building Navy ships keeps my Senator in office -- financing those university projects doesn't get the job done.") The fact is that Mr. Gore, in his own quiet way, working as Senator then as Vice President, has made more of a contribution to creating the Internet than any other person in the world. Gene Gaines gene.gaines@gainesgroup.com 703-433-2081 Sterling, Virginia - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 10:19:12 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Re: Yahoo case raises issue of Internet borders The URL I sent appears to be broken. The following one currently works. Yahoo case raises issue of Internet borders Yahoo (YHOO) heads back to a Paris court Monday for the third hearing in a case that could set a profound legal precedent for filtering content on the Internet -- or more likely, prove that it is technically impossible. http://www.upside.com/News/3a01c42cd.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 12:52:39 -0500 From: world!c28f62@uunet.uu.net (Mark Kramer) Subject: Re: Lying about Al Gore In article <3A02B30F.40CDC264@gainesgroup.com>, Gene Gaines wrote: >"Al Gore said he invented the Internet." Creating that untrue >statement is viscous propaganda worthy of Herr Goebels. "I took the initiative in creating the internet" is what he actually said. Your comparison to Nazi Germany is particularly telling. Calling into question any of Mr. Gore's claims is a Nazi tactic, hmmm? >All the distortions notwithstanding, Al Gore did more good work >on the "information highway" than any other member of the U.S. >government. "Took the initiative" is not the same as "did more good work". Many convited felons "do more good work" cleaning up the highways as members of chain gangs than most members of congress, but I don't think anyone would give them credit for taking the initiative or for "creating" the highways. >What is not talked about is the small group of people he put >together, and their work on the policy issues which permitted the >commercial Internet to be created. What policy prevented it? I know that policy prevented using the tax-funded research-oriented networks from being used for commercial purposes (but that was after they were created), but what policy prevented someone from building their own commercial network? It must have been a secret policy, because during that time there were privately owned commercial networks built and service sold to the public. >Mr. Gore saw this vision of an information highway for the world, Using an internet that was already in existance, being used to support academic research. >Mr. Gore's time went into keeping his work low profile, and That explains the absence of his name on any RFC. Thanks for clearing that up. >in office -- financing those university projects doesn't get the >job done.") Nor does financing university projects allow one to claim creative credit for their results. We've had this discussion here already. >The fact is that Mr. Gore, in his own quiet way, working as Senator >then as Vice President, has made more of a contribution to creating >the Internet than any other person in the world. The internet histories, written by the people who were there, make it clear that he wasn't around as a Senator when the internet was created. He wasn't a Senator until 1984, according to his own biographers, which is a year after Mr. Margolin's 1983 internet creation date based on a switch from ncp to tcp. And 1969 is the number used in the historical documents, which is 7 years before Gore entered public "service". For those who think that this discussion does not belong here, well, every time someone uses this forum to try to spin away a candidate's untruth, someone else has the right to correct the record. Either both sides get to be heard, or neither should be heard. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 13:40:04 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Lying about Al Gore >For those who think that this discussion does not belong here, well, >every time someone uses this forum to try to spin away a candidate's >untruth, someone else has the right to correct the record. Either both >sides get to be heard, or neither should be heard. Both sides have been heard. I decree this argument to be over. Please don't try to post any more about it. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 19:01:56 -0500 From: ewl@panix.com (Emery Lapinski) Subject: Long distance charge for call to out of area cell-phone Hello, I don't know if I have the right group for this question. Please excuse me if I am mistaken. My long distance provider is billing me for long distance calls that are not completed to the destination number. When I make a long distance call to a cell phone if the cell phone is not turned on I will get a message from the cell phone company (e.g. "welcome to verizon wireless hello 107 all circuits are busy not please try again later"). These show up on my bill as 1 minute calls. I do not feel that I should be charged for these calls. I have spoken with them and they do not agree. (From what I understand they are using an "answer supervision" system which is incapable of differentiating between this call and an answered call. As an aside they did not know if I would be charged for a call to a land number that resulted in one of the phone companies messages about a number not being in service or changed, etc.) I would like to know if there are any rules that govern this. I don't think I know the correct technical terms to do an effective search. The only thing I could find seems to be related to pay phones and the definition of a "completed call" (http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Orders/1996/fcc96388.txt): 34.Some IXCs provide different definitions of what should be considered a "completed call." Sprint and MCI argue that a call is completed when it earns revenue for the carrier. WorldCom contends that an access code call is completed when it is billed, and a subscriber 800 call is completed when answer supervision is returned. Other parties argue that, because it is often difficult for the parties to know whether a call was answered by the called party, the Commission should use a duration surrogate for completed calls. The debit card providers, in particular, favor a duration surrogate because they estimate that fifty percent of debit card calls are not completed to the called party. Under this approach, they argue, any call placed from a payphone below a certain duration would be excluded because it would be likely that the call was not completed to the called party within that time period. The threshold duration proposed by these commenters varies from 42 seconds to 60 seconds. The RBOCs argue that a 60-second threshold should be used, while APCC believes that the Commission should not rely on any duration threshold. Thanks, Emery - -- ewl@panix.com http://www.panix.com/~ewl/ This post is Copyright 1997 Emery Lapinski and is distributed under the terms and conditions of GNU's General Public License. It's what the astronauts drink! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 20:41:34 -0500 From: "Gordon S. Hlavenka" Subject: Re: Lying about Al Gore "John R. Levine" wrote: > Both sides have been heard. I decree this argument to be over. > Please don't try to post any more about it. I, for one, miss the eighteen-paragraph "Moderator's comments" that should be appended to these posts. I move we all send a dollar to someone who will buy a laptop, box it up, and UPS it to Pat wherever he is. Let's return this forum to its former glory! - -- Gordon S. Hlavenka O- nospam@crashelex.com Vote Straight-ticket Procrastination Party on December 6th! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 23:01:26 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Website yields private e-mail Website yields private e-mail Internet search finds notes to state officials A Miami man's spelling mistake during an Internet search led him to sensitive e-mail messages sent to state government officials that had been inadvertently left for public view on a Florida Department of Health website. http://www.herald.com/content/today/news/florida/digdocs/040367.htm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 23:12:38 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Diamond Dave writes: > Speaking of post-pay, does anyone remember PRE-pay? These were common > on many #5 crossbar systems and some step by step offices where you > had to insert money to even get a dial tone! Even to call the operator > or 911 you had to insert a dime (later a quarter). Not all #5 crossbar > offices had pre-pay, (as some were more modernized with "dial tone > first") but there were many that did. > > Ah, the good ole days... BEFORE COCOTs! What do you mean "remember"? *Every* payphone I've used in the last few years (in Portland, OR) has instructions to insert the coins *before* dialing a local call. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 23:12:47 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: service theft problem David Lind writes: > The phone lines to a friends complex are located in the laundry room. If I > were a thief, it would be easy to get access. -- David I used to live in a place like that, and the cabinet wasn't even *locked*! It was kind of convenient though. I was once able to fix a problem by pulling the wires from the punchdown block and repunching them. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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On July 8, 1999 Esther Dyson represented to Congressman Tom Bliley, '[...] Pursuant to the White Paper and the MOU, the transition process is scheduled to be completed no later than October 1, 2000, and the Initial Directors must all have ended their service by that time. (see http://www.icann.org/correspondence/bliley-response-08july99.htm#1F.) (See also Dyson's sworn testimony of 22 July 1999 before Congress, '... the process of creating a fully elected Board must be completed by September 2000.' (see http://www.icann.org/dyson-testimony-22july99.htm.) Yet on October 27, 2000, ICANN announced that four original board members are extending their terms (see http://www.icann.org/announcements/icann-pr27oct00.htm.) Michael Froomkin, speaking eloquently for many, coined the apt term 'Board Squatter' and called on Frank Fitzsimmons, Hans Kraaijenbrink, Jun Murai, and Linda Wilson to honor the pledge made at the time they were named: 'that your term would end not later than two years after your appointment. Resign. It is the right thing to do.' (see http://personal.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/boardsquat.htm.) So what did the press report? Internet.com: 'A new resolution was prepared so that nine At Large directors (five elected, four interim) remain part of the board' -- an insulting and absurd misnomer. The 'interim At Large' Directors remaining on the Board, are in fact a wholly unrelated species of 'At Large', as the nine original ICANN directors were designated as 'at large' directors. (See the 11/6/98 bylaws, art. V, sec. 1: 'The initial Board of Directors of the Corporation ('Initial Board') shall consist of nine At Large members ..') This has nothing to do with 'At Large' Directors as we know them: elected Directors representing the At Large Membership. But it is reflective of a dangerous revisionism taking place that is capturing even noteworthy consumer advocacy groups. The Harvard Crimson reported the same story, noting: Under compromises hammered out at its latest two quarterly meetings, ICANN is to conduct a six month study of the election used to select the five new replacements before deciding how to fill the four other board slots. 'This is a natural outgrowth of the compromises that the board struck,' says Alan Davidson, staff counsel at the Center for Democracy and Technology. The nonprofit Washington group is pushing for another election to fill the remaining seats, but Davidson concedes that it will take more time to refine the voting process.' But in fact, the study the CDT's Davidson refers to never even mentions the word 'election' (see http://www.icann.org/minutes/prelim-report-16jul00.htm): Section 5. Study of 'At Large' Membership. It is to be a 'clean sheet' study, 'meaning that previous decisions and conclusions regarding an 'At Large' membership will be informative but not determinative, and that the study will start with no preconceptions as to a preferred outcome.' Listing such options as whether the ICANN Board should include 'At Large' Directors at all, a thorough read of this brief resolution reveals no mention of 'election', but rather the Orwellian option of 'selection.' Bottom line: At Large Membership, At Large Directors, and elections, could well be dissolved altogether. This presents a much harsher reality than Mr. Davidson's casual comment, and the Harvard Crimson's reporting, would suggest. 2. CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON gTLD'S? WE RECUSE, YOU LOSE On November 1st, ICANN quietly posted to its website a gTLD news update advising that four Directors had recused themselves from evaluating and voting on new gTLD's due to conflicts of interest (see http://www.icann.org/tlds/tld-review-update-01nov00.htm.) However, one of those directors, Amadeu Abril i Abril, actually recused himself in an appropriately timely manner on October 2nd, the deadline for submitting gTLD applications. (see http://www.icann.org/tlds/tld-app-review-procedure-02oct00.htm.) Reality check: on November 1st three other Directors 'reviewed whether they had any relationship to applicants or applications that would make their participating in the selection inappropriate' - -- something they'd apparently been ignorant of before November 1st?! - -- and inexcusably belatedly recused themselves. ICANN has had the new TLD applications for a solid month. The decision is due this month -- it simply strains credibility to suggest that there's been no board consideration or evaluation of new TLD applications prior to these implausible recusals. 'Simply recusing oneself is not sufficient,' admonished Karl Auerbach, newly elected ICANN At Large Director, noting that the Directors have also had an inside track all along. 'Given ICANN's secrecy, these folks have an inside view, a view not available to other applicants, of the criteria, the nuances of the criteria, the biases of those who will evaluate the applications, etc, etc.' (I think these three directors should resign. Or their affiliated applications should be disqualified. Or both. What do you think? Email comments to mailto:editor@icbtollfree.com.) 3. gTLD TRADEMARK RISKS: INDEMNIFY THIS Finally, on October 23rd ICANN announced that it has received correspondence from various parties asserting that establishment of particular TLDs would infringe their claimed intellectual property rights. (see http://www.icann.org/tlds/correspondence/.) ICANN today reacted by contacting all TLD applicants, asking how they propose to indemnify ICANN against lawsuits Should ICANN not have known better? As ICB's non-lawyer minds understand it, applicants who answer the questions risk creating an implied waiver of their rights, or creating a statement indicating their knowledge of the potential rights of future litigants against them. >>From ICANN's standpoint, it now can't try to excuse itself from litigation on the basis of it being simply a bystander to any infringement of other similar claim that may be made against a TLD. Nonetheless, the damage done, we wonder if ICANN will now reject any new top level domain application that refuses to indemnify ICANN, on the grounds that a law suit would be too dangerous to its business and hence to the internet's stability. We wonder too, if those applicants would have plunked down $50,000 had they known indemnifying ICANN was a deal breaker. Copyright © 2000 ICB, Inc. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4716 F - DOMAIN COMPANY ALLEGES ICANN ABUSE OF POWER Specific accusations include scaring away customers with notices posted on the ICANN web site, and strong-arming some of the domain name registrars with which RegLand.com does business. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4719 P - INDEMNIFY THIS ICANN has sent a letter to gTLD applicants asking how they propose to indemnify ICANN against lawsuits. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4717 P - GLOBAL CROSSING TO PAY PAYPHONE DUES The Consent Decree requires Global Crossing to identify the '1-800' numbers for which it is providing compensation, and those for which it is not, with each quarterly payment to payphone owners. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4718 F - WIPO DOGMA CONTAMINATES CCTLD'S Since the transmission of this communication, the administrators of 32 ccTLDs have relied on WIPO’s advice for the purpose of managing intellectual property in their domains and 14 ccTLDs have retained the WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center as dispute resolution service provider. WIPO is now providing intellectual property advice to the administrators of ccTLDs on an ongoing basis. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4720 ************************************************************************* ABOUT ICB ICB HeadsUp Headlines Daily Email is sent by request. Subscriptions to Daily Email are free to qualified applicants. Visit http://www.icbtollfree.com/reg.cfm?NextURL=Index.cfm to sign up. Please feel free to pass along a copy to a friend, within reason so long as the message is not modified or used unfavorably. 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These were common > > on many #5 crossbar systems and some step by step offices where you > > had to insert money to even get a dial tone! Even to call the operator > > or 911 you had to insert a dime (later a quarter). ... Leonard Erickson: > What do you mean "remember"? > > *Every* payphone I've used in the last few years (in Portland, OR) has > instructions to insert the coins *before* dialing a local call. Interesting. Do you get dial tone on these phones before inserting the coins, so you can at least call the operator or 911 without coins? With the newer type of Bell Canada payphones, called Millennium phones, you can insert the money for a local call at any time or times before, during, and/or after dialing; it just won't attempt to make the call until you've paid. Are phones with this behavior common elsewhere? - -- Mark Brader "Relax -- I know the procedures backwards." Toronto "Yeah, well, that's a quick way to get killed." msb@vex.net -- Chris Boucher, STAR COPS My text in this article is in the public domain. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 00:54:01 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? me@donwallace.com (Don Wallace) writes: > I am looking for a single database that would allow a user to > determine how a person at phone number 'A' may call phone number 'B'. > IE, whether 'A' must dial seven, ten (AAA-NNN-NNNN) or eleven > (1-AAA-NNN-NNNN) digits. > > I am assuming that, if the area code and the exchange are known for > both A and B, that there is some way to determine the method of > dialing factually, without a trial call. The phone company switches > "know", so why can't the phone user w/o looking it up in a book? Because the *class of service* the user has matters too. Where I live, you get certain suburbs as local calls with standard service. But there are also two classes of "extended area service" to add *more* suburbs to your local calling area. All this with the default local carrier (Qwest) So which exchanges are local calls needs to know not only the source and destination "rate center", but also *which* rate centers are local on the service plan the customer has. You can get exchange lists with rate centers and other info at www.nanpa.com - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 00:54:28 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? mnc@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) writes: > Don Wallace wrote: >> I am looking for a single database that would allow a user to >> determine how a person at phone number 'A' may call phone number 'B'. >> IE, whether 'A' must dial seven, ten (AAA-NNN-NNNN) or eleven >> (1-AAA-NNN-NNNN) digits. > > In most places these days, you can dial 1 + ten digits no matter where in > the NANPA you're dialing. This is a wonderful development as it frees people > - particularly those on the move or carrying portable devices like laptop > computers - from having to worry about what the current phone number is > before placing a call. Try it in your area; it probably works. You do not > get charged for a long-distance call if you call the number down the street > with 1 + area code. I just tried it from a phone (here in area code 202) > that has no default L/D carrier and it worked fine. I first noticed this > working when I lived in 415 back in 1994. Back then it was not universal but > it's been a while since I've seen it not work. It doesn't work in Oregon. And probably not in Washington either. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 00:54:44 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Linc Madison writes: > In article <20001025053415.C14908@openswitch.org>, Brian F. G. Bidulock > wrote: > >> I used to do translations for DMS-100 and this was a nightmare. >> Usually you couldn't have the best of all worlds. After people in >> Dallas are trained to dial 10D instead of 7D (and it may take some >> several years) then you may be able to dial 1+10D local. > > Why is 10D versus 7D relevant? (Besides that, the people in Dallas are > already COMPLETELY trained to dial 10D on local calls. They've been > doing it for about a year and a half now, and it doesn't take "several > years," it takes several WEEKS, at most.) I've been trying to teach myself to do that since permissive dialing in 503/971 started in july of 99. We went mandatory a month ago. And I *still* screw up about every 4th call. I bet that the switches are still intercepting a moderate number of 7 digit call attempts. Mostly from older folks or folks who don't make a lot of calls. As for why it is relevant, the intercepts (as opposed to timeouts) for dialing 7d instead of 10d probably consume a fair amount of resources. That's supposed to be why the "cut everything over at once" bit here caused so many problems. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 00:55:00 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? sc1@roamer1.org (Stanley Cline) writes: > On 25 Oct 2000 15:43:34 -0400, Linc Madison > wrote: > >>I'll say it again: there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to prohibit >>1+10d on local calls in Dallas. It's in violation of industry > > ....or Atlanta. It can be a pain setting up certain operating systems > to dial correctly with mandatory 10d and forbidden 1+10d local. :( I've got a 16k translation table here for one program. And it's going to get bigger as exchanges get activated in 971. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 00:55:15 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) writes: > In <39FC4F20.97034FF@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> John David Galt > writes: >>> >>> There are companies that maintain such databases, but they charge quite >>> a lot of money for access, since the database is enormous and requires >>> considerable work to keep current and accurate. > >>This may be true, but it is wrong. This information needs to be free to >>the public so that we can compare rates and choose carriers intelligently. >>If NANPA won't track and publish it, then the state PUCs ought to. > > Or, more elegantly, adjust calling charges so that all intra-LATA calls > are untimed. (unmetered would be even better, but I doubt we'll see that > in my lifetime). > > Consolidation of rate centers throughout a LATA would make everyone's life > much, much easier. It would also dramatically reduce the need for new > area codes. > Alas, it might also reduce ILEC revenues, so the chances of it occurring > rank up there with politicians telling the truth. More to the point, since a lot of LATAs cross state lines (672 includes parts of *three* states, if I recall correctly) it'd require the FCC getting involved. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 00:55:23 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? John David Galt writes: > Linc Madison wrote: > >> No, NANPA maintains no records at all of what prefixes are local to >> which other prefixes. NANPA just assigns the area codes, and in some >> states the prefixes; what constitutes a local calling area is purely a >> state regulatory issue. >> >> There are companies that maintain such databases, but they charge quite >> a lot of money for access, since the database is enormous and requires >> considerable work to keep current and accurate. > > This may be true, but it is wrong. This information needs to be free to > the public so that we can compare rates and choose carriers intelligently. > If NANPA won't track and publish it, then the state PUCs ought to. Consider that different carriers may have different rules about what is and isn't a local call, even for the "standard" plan. Then consider that due to 1000-number allocations there are exchanges with several carriers. Which may have different local dialing rules. Most State PUCs don't have tarriff info online. And definittely not in searchable format. And have *you* ever read any tarriffs? Me, I try to keep a list of what prefixes are local for the city I live in, with extended area calling. And that takes me a couple hours once a month. *With* some programs I wrote to help. Among other things, just because an exchange was *supposed* to be turned on on a given date, that doesn't mean it's really online. Last month a couple exchanges *finally* became active that were listed as going online more than 18 months ago. What you want is something that'd require dozens (if not more!) of people working on it full time. It won't be free. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #113 ******************************** From ???@??? Sun Nov 05 11:31:25 2000 Date: 5 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20001105111510.18994.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #114 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: aa52aa4ef96609fd55b35ff8d6e6fe2a Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Sunday, November 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 114 In this issue: Re: "509.533.1504" Re: What's wrong with this idea? Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 "Reality Reset" Satire Column ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Nov 2000 08:51:41 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: "509.533.1504" "Chris Ornellas" writes: > Perhaps it is a "modem hacker", like the one on the movie "War Games". > someone has their computer call a huge list of numbers to see if there is a > modem on the other end. and at the end of the day, the computer spits out a > report of lines that responded with modem sounds. then the hacker would call > back to these numbers using a communications software to hack into a > computer or dial up network. > > Its a possibility!!!!!!!!!!! There are just too many numbers/exchanges for this to be practical. Besides, she's in south*west* Washington. 509 is *eastern* Washington. 509-533 is Spokane. Which is in the NE corner of Washington. The call *had* to be long distance. And folks using wardialers to find modems aren't going to call several times. Or if they do, it'll be at *different* times of day. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 08:54:17 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: What's wrong with this idea? > 28 Oct 2000 15:45:30 -0400 MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) wrote: > >>I live in High Point, NC. North State TelCo rules there. >>They sell a $35/mo. service to residential customers >>providing unlimited expanded-area calling for the flat >>monthly fee. The service is NOT offerred to business >>customers. >> >>I ran 4 lines to my home. Each had inbound CallerID >>support and call transfer support. The call transfer >>allowed each line to switch a call and go offhook. >>That is, after receiving an incoming call, I could do >>a flashhook, dial a 3rd number, another flashhook >>to connect all 3 parties, then go offhook without >>disconnecting the remote parties from each other. Guess what, once you get that call transfer service you *are* a phone company... because you are switching calls Among other things, if someone buys one of those gizmos that lts you take calls coming in on one line and send them out on another line (often used for "after hours" service by some small businesses) and someone figures out the remote programming code and uses it to make a bunch of long distance calls, they *can't* get the charges removed from their bill. By having call redirection equipment, they are no longer a "customer", they are a carrier. And as such, *they* get to pay for their mistakes. And you are in a similar position. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 08:54:57 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 tknab@nyx.net (Terry Knab) writes: > Missouri regulators have come up with an overlay idea for the 816 area code. > As reported a few days ago in the KC Star, the plan would call for a second > area code to be added on top of the existing 816. > > My question for the readers of this newsgroup is twofold: > > 1. Since all parts of 816 are NOT local to each other (eg, St. Joe isn't > local to KC, yet is all 816), how would this overlay affect rate centers? It won't affect them at all. > (Is there any other area code overlay out there that isn't in a 'local' > calling area?) 971 here in Oregon. It covers all but two counties in the area 503 covers. Which is roughly the NW quarter of the state. The overlay just means that there's another area code that exchanges can be assigned from. It has no effect on rates. > 2. Is conservation really the answer? The areas in 816 with lots of > numbers not used are in primarily rural communities that use maybe 1-2,000 > numbers. How would forcing the local telco to give up 5,000 numbers in an > exchange that isn't local to anyone be useful? Now, if very 816 number were > a local call, this could just be crazy enough to work. Huh? What do you mean "give up"? An overlay does *nothing* to existing exchanges. They remain assigned as they currently are. I suspect that you are confusing 1000-number block assignments (which can have up to 10 LECs sharing the same exchange) with overlays. The *only* relationship they have to each other is that the rules now say that 1000 number block assignments must be implemented before overlays are tried. Consider that town with 1000-2000 numbers in use by the existing phone company. Each and every CLEC that wants to offer service there would need to be assigned a *seperate* exchange. At 10,000 numbers per exchange. Say 5 carriers want to offer service there (a *low* number!). That's 60,000 numbers tied up to service 2000 people. With 1000-number block assignments, the competeing carriers will get blocks of 1000 numbers on the existing exchange. say XXX-3xxx, XXX-4xxx, etc. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 08:55:41 -0500 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) writes: > Dave Perussel: >> > Speaking of post-pay, does anyone remember PRE-pay? These were common >> > on many #5 crossbar systems and some step by step offices where you >> > had to insert money to even get a dial tone! Even to call the operator >> > or 911 you had to insert a dime (later a quarter). ... > > Leonard Erickson: >> What do you mean "remember"? >> >> *Every* payphone I've used in the last few years (in Portland, OR) has >> instructions to insert the coins *before* dialing a local call. > > Interesting. Do you get dial tone on these phones before inserting the > coins, so you can at least call the operator or 911 without coins? There's a dialtone. And I seem to recall that being able to call 911 for free is required, isn't it? - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 17:17:49 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? On 4 Nov 2000 00:54:28 -0500, shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) wrote: >mnc@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) writes: > >> Don Wallace wrote: >>> I am looking for a single database that would allow a user to >>> determine how a person at phone number 'A' may call phone number 'B'. >>> IE, whether 'A' must dial seven, ten (AAA-NNN-NNNN) or eleven >>> (1-AAA-NNN-NNNN) digits. >> >> In most places these days, you can dial 1 + ten digits no matter where in >> the NANPA you're dialing. This is a wonderful development as it frees people >> - particularly those on the move or carrying portable devices like laptop >> computers - from having to worry about what the current phone number is >> before placing a call. Try it in your area; it probably works. You do not >> get charged for a long-distance call if you call the number down the street >> with 1 + area code. I just tried it from a phone (here in area code 202) >> that has no default L/D carrier and it worked fine. I first noticed this >> working when I lived in 415 back in 1994. Back then it was not universal but >> it's been a while since I've seen it not work. > >It doesn't work in Oregon. And probably not in Washington either. > >-- >Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) > shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred >leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort Later this year Qwest is going to make it possible to dial 1+ on any calls toll or not. From what I've heard it will be introduced in the larger cities (my guess Seattle, Spokane, Bellevue, etc.) and then all customers in Qwest's area. It was on the local media recently. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 18:18:39 -0500 From: tknab@nyx.net (Terry Knab) Subject: Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 Leonard Erickson wrote: :> 2. Is conservation really the answer? The areas in 816 with lots of :> numbers not used are in primarily rural communities that use maybe 1-2,000 :> numbers. How would forcing the local telco to give up 5,000 numbers in an :> exchange that isn't local to anyone be useful? Now, if very 816 number were :> a local call, this could just be crazy enough to work. : Huh? What do you mean "give up"? In conservation, you have to go by blocks of 1,000 numbers. In a lot of the smaller exchanges in 816, they use maybe 3,000 numbers tops. The numbers in smaller exchanges do NO one any good because they're not local to ANYONE other than the existing exchanges. My point is conservation measures such as pooling will NOT work in this area code because of the number of exchanges that are not local to anyone, and those are the ones that have the majority of the free numbers. : The *only* relationship they have to each other is that the rules now : say that 1000 number block assignments must be implemented before : overlays are tried. : Consider that town with 1000-2000 numbers in use by the existing phone : company. Each and every CLEC that wants to offer service there would : need to be assigned a *seperate* exchange. At 10,000 numbers per : exchange. Say 5 carriers want to offer service there (a *low* number!). : That's 60,000 numbers tied up to service 2000 people. There are no competing LECs that want into those towns. : With 1000-number block assignments, the competeing carriers will get : blocks of 1000 numbers on the existing exchange. say XXX-3xxx, : XXX-4xxx, etc. What I'm trying to say is that this is technically impossible in 816 because these towns are so small those numbers will set idle, UNLESS they combine rate centers to allow those numbers to 'port' to other central offices. : -- : Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) : shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred : leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort : -- : The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail : messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry E. Knab News/Acting System Administrator Nyx Public Access Unix - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 20:38:42 -0500 From: Lauren Weinstein Subject: "Reality Reset" Satire Column Of possible interest, since a variety of TELECOM-related topics will be coming up. Two columns are now present in the archive. = = = = PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org [ To subscribe or unsubscribe to/from this list, please send the command "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" respectively (without the quotes) in the body of an e-mail to "pfir-request@pfir.org". ] Greetings. As part of the continuing effort to provide materials that can help inform and educate the broadest possible readership about issues of importance, I'm pleased to announce the launching of "REALITY RESET" -- a new recurring column which I hope will be of interest. These short "Reality Reset" columns probably aren't what you might expect. They rely on both humor and satire to focus mainly on a broad range of issues relating to technology and society (many of which relate directly to PFIR and the PRIVACY Forum), but may sometimes cover other topics as well. I hope that this approach will serve to be both thought-provoking and entertaining regarding these important issues, for readers of widely-varied backgrounds and interests. The columns will never appear more frequently than once per day, and will be considerably less frequent for now. The initial column looks at the matter of Internet Control, as seen from the supermarket checkout line. It's entitled: "I Think ICANN, I Think ICANN" This initial "Reality Reset" column can be previewed at the column home page of: http://www.vortex.com/reality You can also subscribe to receive the columns automatically via e-mail by sending the text: subscribe in the BODY of a message to: reality-request@vortex.com Naturally, e-mail addresses and names on the mailing list are private, will only be used to distribute the columns, and won't be used for any other purposes. Your comments, questions, and any other feedback are of course invited. Please feel free to forward or redistribute this message as you deem appropriate. Thanks very much. Be seeing you. - --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren@pfir.org or lauren@vortex.com or lauren@privacyforum.org Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #114 ******************************** From bellaire@tk.com Tue Nov 7 15:32:05 2000 Received: from ns1.bnin.net (IDENT:root@npcc.net [206.160.236.34]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21187 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from one (75.acnd1.bnin.net [206.230.146.84] (may be forged)) by ns1.bnin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA30973 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:31:42 -0600 Message-Id: <200011072031.OAA30973@ns1.bnin.net> X-Sender: tk_www@pop.iquest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:22:42 -0500 To: telecom-recent@massis.lcs.mit.edu From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) (by way of James Bellaire ) Subject: TELECOM Digest V2000 #115 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Telecom Digest Monday, November 6 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 115 In this issue: Why AT&T Just Lost My Business Telecom Tax Lives! Re: Long distance charge for call to out of area cell-phone RE: Japan ISDN Senate Passes Net False ID Act Intercepting e-mail illegal, French court rules Re: Long distance charge for call to out of area cell-phone ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Nov 2000 11:41:29 -0500 From: world!fybush@uunet.uu.net (Scott D Fybush) Subject: Why AT&T Just Lost My Business I have a bad feeling nobody from AT&T reads this group, or cares, but here's why I'll be switching to Frontier or Sprint come Monday morning... The background: In my old apartment, I had two phone lines -- 716-442-xyz1 and 716-442-xyz2. When I moved into my current house down the street in October 1999, I discontinued service on 442-xyz2. I called AT&T to let them know about the address change, and told them at that time that I would not be continuing service on 442-xyz2. All was good. No sign of 442-xyz2 appears on any of my AT&T bills from October 1999 until...well, until the most recent one. This bill, which purportedly covers Sep 15-Oct 14 2000, included two collect calls, made on Sep 7 at 6:39 PM and 6:40 PM, for one minute each, to 442-xyz2 from 206 464 8689, identified as "PAYPHONE WA." The charge for each call? $4.64! -- and that's not even including the 30 cent payphone surcharge and taxes. Silly me, I thought I could call 800-222-0300 and get a friendly customer service rep who would immediately understand that I haven't had service on 442-xyz2 for more than a year and that the charge is clearly a mistake. After eleven minutes on hold, I did indeed get a CSR, and he did indeed say that the charges would be removed and I'd get a letter in the mail in a few days informing me of the total amount of the credit, what with taxes and such. Instead, *this* arrived today: Dear Mr. Fybush: Thank you for contacting AT&T regarding the charges on your AT&T bill [my note: as opposed to what, my electric bill?] I have reviewed your account and the charges we discussed are correct as you received them. [Obviously, they're not.] We value you as an AT&T customer [Horse pucky.] and are dedicated to providing you with personalized service. [Horse pucky.] If you have any additional questions...etc etc Sincerely, Mark Swindell Representative - --- So now it's Saturday. I call 800-222-0300 again. Miracle of miracles, a CSR answers immediately, pulls up the account, and tells me *I* have to contact Frontier to have Frontier contact AT&T to tell AT&T that 442-xyz2 was disconnected more than a year ago. "That's not my problem. You can call Frontier yourself," I tell her, explaining again that the charges are obviously incorrect and that I'm not going to sit on hold with Frontier while they try to fix a problem that's not of their making, either. "Can I talk to a manager?" She tells me one can call back in 24-48 hours. I don't believe one will, but I tell her to have one try. Off to the Web I go, to see what kind of calling plan the other carriers are offering. (Right now, I pay $4.95/month, 10c/min daytime, 5c/min all other times for out-of-state calls, and 10c/min all times for inter-LATA, in-state.) Gee, Frontier looks pretty good. Let's see what happens if I call AT&T back and -- after 13 minutes on hold -- start a call like this: "Hi, I'm calling to cancel my AT&T service." OK, now I have their attention. This CSR seems to have an understanding of why I'm upset. But because it's a weekend, she's absolutely powerless. In fact, as our conversation continues, it becomes clear that she can't even see all my account details, much less offer me any idea of how much I might owe if I pay the rest of the bill (which is due 11/8) without the erroneous charge. She offers to have a manager call me Monday. "Here's a suggestion," I offer. "How about you leave a note for your manager to call Frontier on Monday -- I'll even give you the number, 716-777-1200 -- and they can work it out together without involving me." She says she'll try...but doesn't sound too sure. I try to point out some of the obvious problems with these calls being billed to me -- no charges to 442-xyz2 in over a year, two one-minute calls, one minute apart, so clearly (?) a wrong number of some sort, and why weren't they even posted to my bill in the billing cycle in which they were allegedly made? Again, she agrees, but it's clear that she has absolutely no power to do anything at all. Which is why I'll be calling Frontier after all on Monday -- but not to ask them to call AT&T. Nope, that 7c/min plan that *they* offer is looking pretty good. So after more than a decade as a loyal AT&T customer, I'm gone. I guess the company is too, isn't it? Shame... [And if anybody from AT&T *is* reading this and still cares, you have more than enough information from my name, phone number, and e-mail to try to win me back as a customer. Good luck...] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2000 12:41:56 -0500 From: "Cole T. Kracke" Subject: Telecom Tax Lives! Telecom Tax Lives! Clinton kills spending bill containing excise-tax repeal By Paul Coe Clark III President Clinton has vetoed the bill containing the repeal of the 3 percent federal excise tax on telecommunications, ending for now a concerted drive by carriers to scrap tax. Long-distance, local-exchange and other carriers had banded together to kill the tax, which they had dubbed the "tax on talking." The excise tax was first implemented in 1898 to fund the Spanish-American war. It has been killed several times since, but always resurrected. The tax applies to local, long-distance and wireless telecommunications and raises about $5 billion a year for the federal treasury. The Senate in July voted 97-3 to approve S. 2330, by Sen. William Roth Jr. (R-Del.), which would have repealed the tax. The House in may approved H.R. 3916, by Rep. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), which would have phased out the tax over a three-year period. A compromise version of a repeal was attached to an appropriations bill, which Clinton vetoed. Several late-in-session telecom bills have failed to clear Congress, including an attempt by AT&T to loosen the attribution rules for measuring the cable-television ownership cap. Industry groups expressed disappointment over the veto. "The elimination of the federal excise tax would have been a victory for consumers, who have paid for this 'temporary' tax for more than a century," said Gary Lytle, head of the United States Telecom Association. "Unfortunately, the President rejected what would have been a significant monthly tax break for nearly every American. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2000 13:44:36 -0500 From: John Nagle Subject: Re: Long distance charge for call to out of area cell-phone The old international standard was that charging begins at th point the voice connection goes bidirectional, but that definition dates back to the days of mechanical switching. John Nagle Emery Lapinski wrote: > > Hello, > > I don't know if I have the right group for this question. Please > excuse me if I am mistaken. > > My long distance provider is billing me for long distance calls > that are not completed to the destination number. When I make a > long distance call to a cell phone if the cell phone is not turned > on I will get a message from the cell phone company (e.g. "welcome > to verizon wireless hello 107 all circuits are busy not please try > again later"). > > These show up on my bill as 1 minute calls. I do not feel that I > should be charged for these calls. I have spoken with them and they > do not agree. (From what I understand they are using an "answer > supervision" system which is incapable of differentiating between > this call and an answered call. As an aside they did not know if > I would be charged for a call to a land number that resulted in > one of the phone companies messages about a number not being in > service or changed, etc.) > > I would like to know if there are any rules that govern this. I > don't think I know the correct technical terms to do an effective > search. The only thing I could find seems to be related to pay > phones and the definition of a "completed call" > (http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Orders/1996/fcc96388.txt): > > 34.Some IXCs provide different definitions of what should be > considered a "completed call." Sprint and MCI argue that a call > is completed when it earns revenue for the carrier. WorldCom > contends that an access code call is completed when it is billed, > and a subscriber 800 call is completed when answer supervision is > returned. Other parties argue that, because it is often difficult > for the parties to know whether a call was answered by the called > party, the Commission should use a duration surrogate for completed > calls. The debit card providers, in particular, favor a duration > surrogate because they estimate that fifty percent of debit card > calls are not completed to the called party. Under this approach, > they argue, any call placed from a payphone below a certain duration > would be excluded because it would be likely that the call was not > completed to the called party within that time period. The threshold > duration proposed by these commenters varies from 42 seconds to 60 > seconds. The RBOCs argue that a 60-second threshold should be > used, while APCC believes that the Commission should not rely on > any duration threshold. > > Thanks, > Emery > -- > ewl@panix.com http://www.panix.com/~ewl/ > This post is Copyright 1997 Emery Lapinski and is distributed under the terms > and conditions of GNU's General Public License. > It's what the astronauts drink! > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2000 18:04:49 -0500 From: Praveen Rao Subject: RE: Japan ISDN Hi John, Thanks a lot for your help. It has definitely been very useful. Great team at telecom-digest, keep it up. Praveen - -----Original Message----- From: John De Hoog [mailto:dehoog@nifty.com] Sent: Thursday, 2 November 2000 5:43 PM To: Praveen Rao; editor@telecom-digest.org Subject: Re: Japan ISDN Praveen Rao asks... >How does Japanese ISDN differ from ETSI. In many small ways. The best thing to do is follow the specifications. They are given here: http://www.ntt-east.co.jp/ISDN/tech/spec/espec/ The following site explains all the differences between the Japanese ISDN interface standards and ITU-T or other international standards: http://www.ttc.or.jp/e/summary/std050/ **************** From: John De Hoog, Tokyo Mail: dehoog@nifty.com Web site: http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2000 22:06:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Senate Passes Net False ID Act Senate Passes Net False ID Act By Robert MacMillan, Newsbytes WASHINGTON, DC, U.S.A., 01 Nov 2000, 8:46 AM CST The Senate Tuesday passed a bill designed to prevent false identification development on the Internet, months after highly publicized hearings showing the online false IDs are a rampant and growing problem. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/00/157524.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2000 22:16:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Intercepting e-mail illegal, French court rules Intercepting e-mail illegal, French court rules Agence France-Presse Friday, November 3, 2000 PARIS -- In a ground-breaking case, a French court ruled yesterday that e-mail is covered by the country's privacy laws and awarded damages to a Kuwaiti student who was snooped on by university authorities. http://www.globetechnology.com/archive/gam/News/20001103/IBSOME.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 2000 01:10:21 -0500 From: Denis Mcmahon Subject: Re: Long distance charge for call to out of area cell-phone On 5 Nov 2000 13:44:36 -0500, John Nagle wrote: >Emery Lapinski wrote: >> I don't know if I have the right group for this question. Please >> excuse me if I am mistaken. >> >> My long distance provider is billing me for long distance calls >> that are not completed to the destination number. When I make a >> long distance call to a cell phone if the cell phone is not turned >> on I will get a message from the cell phone company (e.g. "welcome >> to verizon wireless hello 107 all circuits are busy not please try >> again later"). > The old international standard was that charging begins at th >point the voice connection goes bidirectional, but that definition >dates back to the days of mechanical switching. Most switch based announcement systems should have the ability to return or not return the answer signal with the announcement, usually in Europe this sort of announcement would not return an answer signal, but would time out and release after a couple of cycles. The mobile provider may be returning an answer signal so that they pick up revenue from the IXCs. This is down to the terminating network operator, if they return answer signal with the announcement then the call is "completed" for charging purposes. Rgds Denis - -- Denis McMahon Mobile: +44 7802 468949 Email: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk I always trim ng when posting! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #115 ******************************** From bellaire@tk.com Tue Nov 7 15:32:50 2000 Received: from ns1.bnin.net (IDENT:root@npcc.net [206.160.236.34]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21388 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from one (75.acnd1.bnin.net [206.230.146.84] (may be forged)) by ns1.bnin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA31041 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:32:16 -0600 Message-Id: <200011072032.OAA31041@ns1.bnin.net> X-Sender: tk_www@pop.iquest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:23:16 -0500 To: telecom-recent@massis.lcs.mit.edu From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) (by way of James Bellaire ) Subject: TELECOM Digest V2000 #116 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Telecom Digest Monday, November 6 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 116 In this issue: CFP: COMTEC as part of Euromedia'2001 Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek Telecom Update (Canada) #257, November 6, 2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Nov 2000 08:15:32 -0500 From: Philippe Geril Subject: CFP: COMTEC as part of Euromedia'2001 EUROMEDIA 2001 featuring WEBTEC-MEDIATEC COMTEC-APTEC-ETEC CALL FOR PAPERS VALENCIA, SPAIN APRIL 18-20, 2001 Hosted by the Universidad Politecnica de Valencia http://hobbes.rug.ac.be/~scs/conf/euromd2001/general.html Sponsored by DG INFSO Introduction The 2001 SCS Euromedia conference brings together three individual conferences (WEBTEC, MEDIATEC and COMTEC) culminating in two applications conferences (APTEC-ETEC). Euromedia is a scientific event, and focuses on the exchange of new technology, methods, tools, and applications in the wide field of multimedia Information and Communications Technology (ICT). A scientific event means that rather than just showing new tools and ideas, the focus is on scientific presentations, based on refereed papers with adequate underlying theory and if possible empirical testing of results. The fields covered at this conference include Web technology, multimedia, telecommunications, mobile computing, broadband networking, distributed computing, telematics and e-commerce. Furthermore this year Euromedia will feature also a special "Partners for Projects Session" WEBTEC The WEBTEC conference focuses on new developments with respect to Internet, Intranet, HTML, and WWW. Because of the large amount of new tools and developments, scientific papers focusing on this subject should always include references to other ideas and products. If your paper describes a new language or tool, include the theoretical basis, application, and (tested) experiences. Topics: Internet Viewers and Programs * Development and Design Tools for the Web * Tactical Internet * Web Programming * Web Simulation and Animation * Interactive Web Publishing Tools * Dynamic New Languages and Standards * Java Security * CORBA and the Web Visual Programming Languages * Advanced Web Authoring and Development Tools * Visual Web Programming * Visual HTML - XML , XSL editors * Applets and Scripting Languages over Networks VRML and 3D Web Programs * VRML 3.0 Standards * VRML World Builders, 3D Worlds * Rule Based Programming for 3D Environments (avatars) * Building Online Communities Video and Audio Streaming on the Web * Video Telephony, Web Video and Web Conferencing * Video and Audio Libraries AI on the Web * Intelligent Agents, Knowbots and REBOL Bots * Worm Programs, Data Mining and MDX, SQL, SQLJ Based Tools * Mobile Network Agents * Site Analysis Tools * Collaborative Filtering * Intelligent Interactive Characters Software for Web-based Business Applications and E-Commerce * Building Interactive Advertising and Information Interfaces * Business Objects and Business to Business E-Commerce * Customer Tracking Tools, E-Commerce Tools & Architectures * Electronic Cash Transfer Protocols on the Web * Joint Electronic Payments Initiative * Internet Open Trading Protocols * Security and E-Commerce MEDIATEC The MEDIATEC conference looks at new developments in multimedia technology. Step by step, multimedia computing becomes more common and more popular. CD-ROM-DVD technology, videoconferencing, and real-time 3-D animation have become widely available for standard hardware platforms. The type of papers we are looking for try to give a theoretical foundation to developments in multimedia hardware and software, if possible comparing different alternatives so that empirical results can form a basis for new standards and choice among alternatives. Topics: Multimedia Techniques and Telecommunications * Real Time Interactive Systems * Hardware for multimedia storage * Hardware and networks for multimedia transmission * CD-Interactive Systems and Online DVD Technology * Removable Storage Technology * Multimedia Sensors (RF Tags) * Intelligent Analysis and Interpretation of Multimedia Data Multimedia Authoring Tools and Software * Presentation Tools * Presentation Software * Animation * Animation Tools * 3D Authoring Tools, 3D Graphics, 3D Accelerators and Motion Capture * Video and Audio Editing * PC-DVD Video Imaging, Editing Techniques and Tools * Video Compression Techniques and Tools * Video Accelerators * Non Linear Video Editing Systems * Digital Video * MPEG 5 PC-Video Encoding and Decoding * (MPEG) Image Compression * Colour Palette Strategies * Audio Editing * Digital Audio Software * CD Recording Software * Voice Recognition Systems * Industrial Applications Multimedia Building Blocks * Multimedia Databases * Toolboxes for Moving Graphics * Productivity Tools * Multimedia and CORBA COMTEC The COMTEC conference covers different types of communication technology utilising both fixed and mobile infrastructures. Of course, this conference must be seen in alliance with the overall theme of the conference: new media that are used on a world-wide basis in relation to information and communication infrastructures. Topics: Telecommunications Technologies * High Speed Interconnects (HSI): * Optical Networks and Switching (WDM,..) * Transport Networks (SONET/SDH, ATM) * HSI in Parallel/Distributed Systems (DS/HS links, SCI, HIPPI I/O) * Message Passing Communication Standards (MPI, MPI-2) * New Prototypes, Products and Practical Applications: * Communication Servers and Networks * Access Networks and Protocols (ADSL, HDSL, VDSL) * Systems and Applications Software * Clusters and Load Balancing * Performance Studies in High Speed Networks * Traffic Models and Performance Simulations * Fault Tolerance and Reliability Models and System Validation Networks * Multicast * ISDN, Intelligent Networks, LAN-WAN Interconnection * Broadband and Wideband Networks * Information Super Highways * Network Management * Case Studies on Large Networks Simulations Network Security * Encryption and Coding * Software Protocols * Privacy, ID Verification, Authentication, Message Integrity, Message Non-Repudiation and Security Policies * S-HTTP/SSL * Smart Card Technology Mobile Communications * Satellite Services * WAP compliant Broadband Mobile Communication * Voice Paging, Mobile Fax, Mobile Video Text * 3rd Generation * Mobile Networks Planning TV Technology * CATV, HDTV, NICAM-TV * Interactive Video * DAVIC QoS * QoS in TP Networks * QoS in ATM Networks * QoS in Public Networks * QoS in Mobile Networks * QoS in Heterogeneous Networks * QoS Charging APTEC The APTEC conference shows how effectiveness and efficiency of individuals and public and private organisations can be improved using telematics, advanced communications, and multimedia technology. Papers in the APTEC conference should present the relation between the type of activity that is supported by new technology and the characteristics of the technology itself. If possible, empirical test results should be included in the paper. Topics: Telematics Consumer Applications * Home Banking * Video-on-Demand, Video and PC-Gaming * Video Kiosks Cooperative Telematics Applications * Home Shopping * Teleconsulting * Teleworking * Teleprocessing * Telepresence * Web Enabled Devices Tele-Education * Tele-Teaching * Multimedia and DVD Technology * Computer Based Training * CBT Authoring Software * Computer Assisted Instruction * Simulation Based Training * Interactive Tools * Tele-Education on the Web * Case Studies Integrated Enterprise Software and Groupware * Electronic Data Interchange (EDI) * VHDL and Verilog Applications * Product Data Interchange * Synthetic Environments and Simulation on the Web * Distributed Simulation (DIS) * Virtual Reality * Innovative e-mail applications * Shared Memory, Shared Screen * Group Decision Support * Group Scheduling * Group Editing * Video Conferencing and standards * Desktop Video Conferencing * Workflow Software * Putting Interactive Training Online Telemedicine * Multimedia * Real-Time Systems * Telediagnostic * Fault Tolerance * Telemonitoring * Data Bases * Case Studies ETEC The ETEC conference reviews the latest trends and technologies applied in the growing field of electronic commerce. This event will be exclusively dedicated to practical applications in business to business and business to customer environments. This programme provides valuable guidance on reconfiguring the structure and interaction between organisations, businesses, and customers, to create effective new possibilities and to stay ahead of competition, by implementing new advanced information and communications technology. It focuses on the reality rather than the hype which tends to surround these items.This conference is a unique occasion to find out the key issues and essential facts from case studies and unbiased expert presentations. Topics include: . Tele-X . E-commerce . Security . Medical Information Systems . Challenges of tomorrow and beyond The programme consists of parallel sessions with lectures, practitioner's workshops, poster sessions, and a specialised exhibition. Partners for Projects New Businesses/Investm Forum is a platform for developers and young entrepreneurs looking for partnership and/or marketing opportunities for their innovative products or services. KEYNOTE SPEAKER Dr. Lars Steinmetz, Head of the IPSI Institute at GMD and of KDM Industrial Process and System Communications at Darmstadt University of Technology, Darmstadt, Germany Exhibition There will be a special exhibition section for universities and non-profit organisations, and a special section for publishers and commercial stands. If you would like to take part in this exhibition please contact the office for a full price schedule and stand layout. Deadlines and Requirements Full Paper or Extended Abstract Submission December 15, 2000 Short Paper Submission Deadline: January 15, 2001 Acceptance Notification: January 15, 2001 Camera-Ready Copies: March 15, 2001 Registration Fees Author SCS/Eurosim Other Members Participants Pre-registr. Before 475 EURO 475 EURO 525 EURO 15/03/2001 Registr. After Pre.Reg. 525 EURO 575 EURO 15/03/2001 Req. Registration fees should preferably be paid in Belgian Francs or EUROs, but can also be paid in the equivalent amount of US$.. Payment is possible by Creditcard (Visa/Mastercard, American Express, Diners). The registration fee includes one copy of the Conference Proceedings, coffee and tea during the breaks, all lunches, a welcome cocktail and the conference dinner. Author Registration Authors are expected to register early (at a reduced fee) and to attend the conference at their own expense to present the accepted papers. Without early registration and payment, the paper will not be published in the Conference Proceedings. Submissions For this scientific conference, it is possible to send in full papers and extended abstracts that will be published in the proceedings. In addition, you can submit short papers or poster presentations, product or vendor presentations, and proposals for panel discussions. The refereeing process for the scientific presentations will be based on full papers and extended abstracts only. Full papers and extended abstracts are due to arrive BEFORE DECEMBER 15, 2000 at the SCS European Office in printed form (four copies) or preferably via E-mail (uuencoded or zipped) preferably in Word doc, RTF or PDF format). Only original papers, written in English,which have not previously been published will be accepted. The length of the full paper should be about 10-14 typed pages, resulting in 6-8 two-column 10 point paper for the published paper in the proceedings. The length of an extended abstract should be such, that the paper can be worked out into a 6 page two-column 10 point paper for the published paper in the proceedings. During review, the submitted FULL PAPERS or EXTENDED ABSTRACTS can be accepted by the IPC, as either an extended (8 pages) paper if excellent, or as a regular (6 pages) paper. Each submission will be reviewed by at least three members of the International Program Committee. It is also possible to submit a SHORT PAPER (1-2 page submission) to the conference. Short papers should also be structured as a scientific paper and will be refereed by at least one member of the IPC, but the rules are applied less strict. Short papers are an ideal outlet for current research or industrial applications. Submission types in short: * Submit a FULL PAPER (10-14 pages typed; 6-8 pages formatted, 3000-5000 words): can be accepted as a regular (6 page)or extended (8 page) paper * Submit an EXTENDED ABSTRACT (5-10 pages typed; 4-6 pages formatted, 2000-4000 words): can be accepted as a regular (6 page) paper * Submit a SHORT PAPER (2-3 page submission, 1000-2000 words): can only be accepted as short paper * Submit less than a one page: the submission will be discarded. Refereeing and Camera-ready papers The notification of acceptance or rejection, in combination with suggestions to improve the paper, will be sent by JANUARY 15, 2001. Along with the notification of acceptance, an author kit with complete instructions for preparing a camera-ready copy for the Proceedings will be sent to authors of accepted abstracts or drafts. The camera-ready copy of the papers must be in by MARCH 15, 2001. In order to guarantee a high-quality conference, the camera-ready papers will be checked as well, to check see the suggestions of the program committee have been incorporated. REPLY CARD Surname:.................................................. First Name:..................................................... Affiliation:............................................... MailingAddress:............................................ ............................................................................ .......................................... Zipcode:...........City:................................... Country:.................................................. Telephone:....................Fax:........................ E-mail:................................................... 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 2000 09:24:28 -0500 From: "John R. Covert" Subject: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek Last week I received my monthly Verizon telephone bill for one of my POTS lines and noticed that it was more than double its usual amount. Leafing through the many pages, I found: Integretel,Inc -------------- This portion of your bill is provided as a service to Integretel, Inc. Your local telephone service will not be disconnected for failure to pay the charges on this portion of your bill. If you fail to pay these charges, the service provider may pursue collections independently. Helpful Numbers Billing inquiries call Integretel, Inc. 800 736-7500 Summary Integretel, Inc 1 Pay-Per-Call Services $36.63 2 Federal Tax 1.10 3 State Tax 1.83 --------------------------------------------------- $39.56 Itemized Calls -------------- Pay-Per-Call Billed on behalf of NTE Services rate no date time place called number called period min:sec amount 4 9/15 6:16pm Talkline 900 244 5647 day 37:00 $36.63 Sub-total of NTE $36.63 Total $36.63 Pay-Per-Call services - Local or Long distance services cannot be disconnected for non-payment of these non-communications services. Payment of these disputed charges is not required while such charges are under investigation. Failure to pay legitimate charges may result in further collection actions by information providers and access to Pay-Per-Call services may be denied. 900 number blocking is available upon request. --------------- Well, they picked the wrong person to cram. I was certain that I had not made that call, and doubted that my wife had, and there is no one else in the house. I checked the calendar: my wife had worked the late afternoon and evening shift. It was a Friday evening, and when she works Friday evenings, I often go into Boston for the evening and hang out with friends. My records (on file with a national organization because of my official relationship with the organization I visited) indicated I had done so. But there was more: I had a credit card receipt for dinner at a local fast-food restaurant time stamped 6:26 pm -- right in the middle of the supposed call. And I also have the following records: 15-SEP-2000 18:14:27.28 C7 On 15-SEP-2000 18:14:32.25 B13 On These are motion detectors, logging the exact time I walked down the basement steps and into the garage to get into the car to go to the restaurant. (The records are recorded on a VMS system whose time is synchronized to a reliable source by NTP.) I called the 800 number listed on the bill. The person was more than happy to issue a 100% refund for the charges, but warned me that if she did, there would be an investigation, and "NTE" uses tracing equipment and knows exactly where the call came from. I said, "Good, then you will know for sure that it did not come from my line." She said that if it was billed to my phone, it must have come from my line, and I should expect to hear from their collection agency. I told her that if Integretel has any integrity, they will stop doing business with NTE. I then called Verizon, informed them the Integretel had already agreed to refund the charges, but that I wanted a telephone company security investigation of what was going on here. She said that wouldn't be necessary, but she would fill out a cramming report and file it with the FCC. I'm tempted to write to the State Attorney General. This is not likely to be a mistake: this is probably deliberate fraud. Slap a charge on a phone bill. Hope that it will be ignored. Intimidate anyone who asks for the charge to be removed. I did a little searching in Telecom Digest, and found entries about "Integretel and Their Sleazy Clients" in at least the following issues: TELECOM Digest Fri, 21 Jul 95 15:48:00 CDT Volume 15 : Issue 315 TELECOM Digest Wed, 1 Nov 95 19:21:00 EST Volume 15 : Issue 460 TELECOM Digest Wed, 20 Dec 95 12:33:00 EST Volume 15 : Issue 523 TELECOM Digest Wed, 31 Jul 96 03:01:00 EDT Volume 16 : Issue 372 TELECOM Digest Mon, 26 Aug 96 01:25:00 EDT Volume 16 : Issue 437 TELECOM Digest Thu, 10 Oct 96 19:25:00 EDT Volume 16 : Issue 539 TELECOM Digest Tue, 5 Nov 96 06:04:00 EST Volume 16 : Issue 592 TELECOM Digest Wed, 6 Nov 96 22:33:00 EST Volume 16 : Issue 600 TELECOM Digest Wed, 27 Aug 97 22:25:00 EDT Volume 17 : Issue 223* TELECOM Digest Tue, 2 Sep 97 00:07:00 EDT Volume 17 : Issue 229 TELECOM Digest Thu, 9 Oct 97 22:00:00 EDT Volume 17 : Issue 278* TELECOM Digest Thu, 18 Dec 97 01:07:00 EST Volume 17 : Issue 352 TELECOM Digest Thu, 16 Apr 98 20:52:00 EDT Volume 18 : Issue 57 The ones marked with an asterisk are particularly interesting. Looks like they're still up to their sleazy tricks. /john - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 2000 09:24:29 -0500 From: "John R. Covert" Subject: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek Friday I received my monthly Verizon telephone bill for one of my POTS lines and noticed that it was more than double its usual amount. Leafing through the many pages, I found: Integretel,Inc -------------- This portion of your bill is provided as a service to Integretel, Inc. Your local telephone service will not be disconnected for failure to pay the charges on this portion of your bill. If you fail to pay these charges, the service provider may pursue collections independently. Helpful Numbers Billing inquiries call Integretel, Inc. 800 736-7500 Summary Integretel, Inc 1 Pay-Per-Call Services $36.63 2 Federal Tax 1.10 3 State Tax 1.83 --------------------------------------------------- $39.56 Itemized Calls -------------- Pay-Per-Call Billed on behalf of NTE Services rate no date time place called number called period min:sec amount 4 9/15 6:16pm Talkline 900 244 5647 day 37:00 $36.63 Sub-total of NTE $36.63 Total $36.63 Pay-Per-Call services - Local or Long distance services cannot be disconnected for non-payment of these non-communications services. Payment of these disputed charges is not required while such charges are under investigation. Failure to pay legitimate charges may result in further collection actions by information providers and access to Pay-Per-Call services may be denied. 900 number blocking is available upon request. --------------- Well, they picked the wrong person to cram. I was certain that I had not made that call, and doubted that my wife had, and there is no one else in the house. I checked the calendar: my wife had worked the late afternoon and evening shift. It was a Friday evening, and when she works Friday evenings, I often go into Boston for the evening and hang out with friends. My records (on file with a national organization because of my official relationship with the organization I visited) indicated I had done so. But there was more: I had a credit card receipt for dinner at a local fast-food restaurant time stamped 6:26 pm -- right in the middle of the supposed call. And I also have the following records: 15-SEP-2000 18:14:27.28 C7 On 15-SEP-2000 18:14:32.25 B13 On These are motion detectors, logging the exact time I walked down the basement steps and into the garage to get into the car to go to the restaurant. (The records are recorded on a VMS system whose time is synchronized to a reliable source by NTP.) I called the 800 number listed on the bill. The person was more than happy to issue a 100% refund for the charges, but warned me that if she did, there would be an investigation, and "NTE" uses tracing equipment and knows exactly where the call came from. I said, "Good, then you will know for sure that it did not come from my line." She said that if it was billed to my phone, it must have come from my line, and I should expect to hear from their collection agency. I told her that if Integretel has any integrity, they will stop doing business with NTE. I then called Verizon, informed them the Integretel had already agreed to refund the charges, but that I wanted a telephone company security investigation of what was going on here. She said that wouldn't be necessary, but she would fill out a cramming report and file it with the FCC. I'm tempted to write to the State Attorney General. This is not likely to be a mistake: this is probably deliberate fraud. Slap a charge on a phone bill. Hope that it will be ignored. Intimidate anyone who asks for the charge to be removed. I did a little searching in Telecom Digest, and found entries about "Integretel and Their Sleazy Clients" in at least the following issues: TELECOM Digest Fri, 21 Jul 95 15:48:00 CDT Volume 15 : Issue 315 TELECOM Digest Wed, 1 Nov 95 19:21:00 EST Volume 15 : Issue 460 TELECOM Digest Wed, 20 Dec 95 12:33:00 EST Volume 15 : Issue 523 TELECOM Digest Wed, 31 Jul 96 03:01:00 EDT Volume 16 : Issue 372 TELECOM Digest Mon, 26 Aug 96 01:25:00 EDT Volume 16 : Issue 437 TELECOM Digest Thu, 10 Oct 96 19:25:00 EDT Volume 16 : Issue 539 TELECOM Digest Tue, 5 Nov 96 06:04:00 EST Volume 16 : Issue 592 TELECOM Digest Wed, 6 Nov 96 22:33:00 EST Volume 16 : Issue 600 TELECOM Digest Wed, 27 Aug 97 22:25:00 EDT Volume 17 : Issue 223* TELECOM Digest Tue, 2 Sep 97 00:07:00 EDT Volume 17 : Issue 229 TELECOM Digest Thu, 9 Oct 97 22:00:00 EDT Volume 17 : Issue 278* TELECOM Digest Thu, 18 Dec 97 01:07:00 EST Volume 17 : Issue 352 TELECOM Digest Thu, 16 Apr 98 20:52:00 EDT Volume 18 : Issue 57 The ones marked with an asterisk are particularly interesting. Looks like they're still up to their sleazy tricks. /john - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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The network, to be completed in three years, will serve 90% of Alberta's population. TELUS WINS PRISON CONTRACT: The Canadian International Trade Tribunal has awarded Telus a multi-million dollar contract to supply phone cards to inmates in federal prisons. The decision overruled Correctional Services Canada, which had given the contract to Bell Canada: the Tribunal says that Telus was "the only compliant bidder." ** Telus has also won a five-year $100-Million contract to supply national network and access services to Technovision Systems, a BC-based Internet Service Provider. MITEL TO SPLIT BUSINESS: Mitel says it will separate its business equipment and semiconductor businesses into two companies within the next five months. The company says its equipment sales will fall 20% this year, while semiconductor sales will increase 30%. 360NETWORKS, ALCATEL SIGN BILLION DOLLAR DEAL: Alcatel has agreed to buy up to $1.5 Billion in convertible preferred shares in Vancouver's 360networks. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #116 ******************************** From bellaire@tk.com Tue Nov 7 15:33:17 2000 Received: from ns1.bnin.net (IDENT:root@npcc.net [206.160.236.34]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21565 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from one (75.acnd1.bnin.net [206.230.146.84] (may be forged)) by ns1.bnin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA31133 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:32:54 -0600 Message-Id: <200011072032.OAA31133@ns1.bnin.net> X-Sender: tk_www@pop.iquest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:23:53 -0500 To: telecom-recent@massis.lcs.mit.edu From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) (by way of James Bellaire ) Subject: TELECOM Digest V2000 #117 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Telecom Digest Tuesday, November 7 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 117 In this issue: Re: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek Re: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek Attorney for Pat in Chicago Area Re: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek Yahoo! Finance Story - The Wall Street Transcript Publishes Wireless Communications Issue Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? 11/6/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Legitimate concerns vs. free speech: Who defines the rules for the Net ring? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Nov 2000 12:18:43 -0500 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek On 11/06/00, at 9:24am -0500, John R. Covert wrote: >I'm tempted to write to the State Attorney General. This is not likely >to be a mistake: this is probably deliberate fraud. Slap a charge on >a phone bill. Hope that it will be ignored. Intimidate anyone who asks >for the charge to be removed. Then why haven't you filed a criminal complaint? >>From the Subject of your article, I was anticipating reading a nice tale of revenge, perhaps a bit of computer hacking of the billing records so that all of their crammed charges over the last two years would be credited back to the victims and correctly charged to the home account of the president of the company. Instead, it turns out that you acted the same as any other consumer, waited on hold forever with Integretel to be threatened and lied to. All you had to do was call Verizon to get the charge back; no reason to waste your time calling Integretel at all. You should have written them a letter as phone calls don't protect your rights. In the mean time, as you have far more documentation than the typical telephone consumer, you should have contacted the prosecutor probably for your county, as the state Attorney General doesn't usually have the power to make a criminal prosecution. With your documentation, you might have been used as a test case and there could have been a ton of discovery in which Integretel would need disclose the vast number of consumers it crams. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 2000 13:29:02 -0500 From: pete-weiss@psu.edu (Pete Weiss) Subject: Re: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek On 6 Nov 2000 12:18:43 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: last updated January, 1999: http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Factsheets/cramming.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 2000 13:53:43 -0500 From: Mike Sandman Subject: Attorney for Pat in Chicago Area As most of you know, Pat (the moderator of this newsgroup) got in trouble with the law, and now needs an attorney in the Chicago area to handle a civil suit against the County and municipality where he was arrested and incarcerated. It's a very cut and dried case, with all of the evidence in a safe place. Pat's incarceration was a direct result of incorrect information contained in a motion made by the States Atorney in this case. The suit would be for more than a million dollars. I've seen the evidence, and there's no question that Pat is in jail because of false information in the motion. It turns out that Pat's original attorney didn't bother to confirm this information, or even ask Pat about it - an error on his part. A private detective was hired to check it out, and his investigation confirmed that the information in the motion was incorrect. Unbelievable as it sounds, when Pat gets out of prison in the next month or so he will not be allowed to use a computer - or even live in a house that has a computer in it (including his mother's house since she has a computer, and she doesn't want to get rid of it). Along those lines, he'll need the attorney to go before a judge on that matter. If you know of a good, honest attorney in the Chicago area who would take a case like this on a contingency basis (could get $300,000 or more out of it), please email me at mike@sandman.com, or call me at 630-980-7710. Thanks... Mike - ----------------------------------------------------------- Mike Sandman 630-980-7710 E-mail: mike@sandman.com WWW: http://www.sandman.com Our 112 page catalog of Unique Telecom Products & Tools is on the World Wide Web. We have a fantastic assortment of Cable Installation Tools and Training Videos to help you use them. NEW "Basic ISDN", "Intro to T1" and Fiber Optic/CAT 5 Training Videos are now available. Also check out our Telephony History Page, which contains ads and articles from telephony related magazines from the first part of the century. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 2000 14:13:23 -0500 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek Pete Weiss wrote: >On 6 Nov 2000 12:18:43 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: [don't leave an attribution line in if you cut all quotes] >last updated January, 1999: >http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Factsheets/cramming.html So? We all know what the FCC recommends and what their actual track record on consumer protection is. This has nothing to do with criminal prosecutions. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 2000 16:41:34 -0500 From: Mike Pollock Subject: Yahoo! Finance Story - The Wall Street Transcript Publishes Wireless Communications Issue Four leading analysts and top management from twelve sector firms examine the outlook for Wireless Communications in this special 81-page issue from The Wall Street Transcript or www.twst.com/info/info205.htm Yahoo - The Wall Street Transcript Publishes Wireless Communications Issue http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/001106/be.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 2000 17:05:57 -0500 From: "Brad Houser" Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? news:01103.201211.7A2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com... > me@donwallace.com (Don Wallace) writes: > > > I am looking for a single database that would allow a user to > > determine how a person at phone number 'A' may call phone number 'B'. > > IE, whether 'A' must dial seven, ten (AAA-NNN-NNNN) or eleven > > (1-AAA-NNN-NNNN) digits. > > > > I am assuming that, if the area code and the exchange are known for > > both A and B, that there is some way to determine the method of > > dialing factually, without a trial call. The phone company switches > > "know", so why can't the phone user w/o looking it up in a book? I would think a simpler question is where is it permissible to always dial 1+AAA-NNN-NNNN and where is it not. AFAIK, there are fewer and fewer places where 11 digits won't work all the time. It is only a matter of time before we all will be dialing this way. Brad Houser - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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But on the Internet of late, censorship appears to be more of a private enterprise. In the last two weeks, we've looked at AT&T@Home's termination of several different Internet accounts that belonged to Wesley and Digital Convergence's proprietary claims on its CueCat; both actions demonstrate the newfound power of big companies to enforce commercial censorship. Although different situations in many respects, @Home and Digital Convergence both successfully used the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) to get their rather dubious intellectual property claims upheld. http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/10/30/001030opfoster.xml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #117 ******************************** From bellaire@tk.com Wed Nov 8 17:18:33 2000 Received: from ns1.bnin.net (IDENT:root@npcc.net [206.160.236.34]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27419 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from one (61.acnd1.bnin.net [206.230.146.70] (may be forged)) by ns1.bnin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA15877 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:17:58 -0600 Message-Id: <200011082217.QAA15877@ns1.bnin.net> X-Sender: tk_www@pop.iquest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 17:07:29 -0500 To: telecom-recent@massis.lcs.mit.edu From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) (by way of James Bellaire ) Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #118 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Telecom Digest Wednesday, November 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 118 In this issue: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Pat's situation... Wired News : The Little Phone Co. That Could "Blind Ballots": candidates' censored web sites Re: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek Re: Wired News : The Little Phone Co. That Could The Persuader 11/7/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Nov 2000 11:19:04 -0500 From: Diamond Dave Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Some early pay phones on step by step and crossbar systems did not work until you put money in the pay phone. Back at that time, 911 wasn't as wide spread as it is now, you usually dialed the operator for an emergency. On 4 Nov 2000 08:55:41 -0500, shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) wrote: >msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) writes: > >> Dave Perussel: >>> > Speaking of post-pay, does anyone remember PRE-pay? These were common >>> > on many #5 crossbar systems and some step by step offices where you >>> > had to insert money to even get a dial tone! Even to call the operator >>> > or 911 you had to insert a dime (later a quarter). ... >> >> Leonard Erickson: >>> What do you mean "remember"? >>> >>> *Every* payphone I've used in the last few years (in Portland, OR) has >>> instructions to insert the coins *before* dialing a local call. >> >> Interesting. Do you get dial tone on these phones before inserting the >> coins, so you can at least call the operator or 911 without coins? > >There's a dialtone. And I seem to recall that being able to call 911 >for free is required, isn't it? > >-- >Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) > shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred >leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Nov 2000 11:19:16 -0500 From: Mike Sandman Subject: Pat's situation... I'e gotten several emails from readers who haven't seen the Digest posts from last August regarding Pat. Here are a couple of previous Telecom Digest articles that will give a little background to Pat's situation: http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=656464660CONTEXT=968095014.7340 03212&hitnum=2 http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=656484003CONTEXT=968095014.7340 03212&hitnum=3 Pat is not in great health, but he's doing remarkably well for someone who was in a coma for 30 days after an aneurysm. Pat should be getting out soon, but he's beng told that he can't use a PC - not a good thing for Pat. Basically, Pat pissed off the cops in his hometown, and a cop found a way to get back at him. Pat was stupid for doing that, but pissing off a cop is not illegal. What the cop did in turn, is illegal. Luckily, the cop did not cover all his tracks (I guess that's not too smart either!), and the tables are about to turn. If you personally know a good lawyer in the Chicago area that would be able to take Pat's case on a contingency basis, let me know. Mike Sandman mike@sandman.com - ----------------------------------------------------------- Mike Sandman 630-980-7710 E-mail: mike@sandman.com WWW: http://www.sandman.com Our 112 page catalog of Unique Telecom Products & Tools is on the World Wide Web. We have a fantastic assortment of Cable Installation Tools and Training Videos to help you use them. NEW "Basic ISDN", "Intro to T1" and Fiber Optic/CAT 5 Training Videos are now available. Also check out our Telephony History Page, which contains ads and articles from telephony related magazines from the first part of the century. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Nov 2000 15:14:49 -0500 From: itsamike@yahoo.com (Mike Pollock) Subject: Wired News : The Little Phone Co. That Could From Wired News, available online at: http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,39914,00.html The Little Phone Co. That Could by Elisa Batista 2:00 a.m. Nov. 7, 2000 PST In a niche dominated by the giant phone carriers, a small San Jose-based company has developed a method that reduces that annoying problem of dropped cell-phone calls and spotty coverage. LGC Wireless, through shared antennae sites providers, has already nailed down some pretty impressive accounts -- including all three major airports in the New York metropolitan area, Atlanta's Hartsfield International Airport and SAFECO Field in Seattle. Now LGC plans to offer improved indoor cellular phone coverage to 15,000 multi-tenant buildings, hospitals, malls and convention centers in the United States and Canada. Pretty ambitious for a small company that hasn't even gone public. The service uses a network of distributed antennae and cables and distributes radio frequency signals, without breaking up the spectrum, so users indoors could receive constant coverage. "This is a brand new business opportunity we recognized years ago," said Enrique Cuellar, vice president of marketing for LGC Wireless. While phone service carriers can implement networks to improve on poor indoor cell-phone reception, each company would have to erect a system ­- which can create an eyesore of cables. Not to mention the added time and expense of negotiating with building owners. LGC Wireless has been banking that carriers and other parties will rely on its network. "We have this ability to very efficiently and effectively improve coverage," Cuellar said. "Tower companies like SpectraSite (LGC's most recent partner) will negotiate for the rights to inside the buildings, then any carrier can negotiate with SpectraSite if they want to provide coverage in buildings. "The carrier wins because it can sell cellular phones and minutes of use to the subscribers and not have to concentrate or devote time negotiating with building owners for putting equipment inside the building." Seems like a logical remedy to a headache that has plagued this industry since the 1980s. But carriers, such as Sprint, prefer to control the indoor network. Other companies, such as phone manufacturer Motorola, also offer solutions to poor indoor coverage. But even these products, the company says, cannot ensure 100 percent coverage. Motorola spokesman Roderick Kelly said there's little to complain about dropped cell-phone calls compared to when wired line service is down because of outside interference. "When you are a business owner and wired line service is down for a couple days because someone cut through a phone line -- that is more frustrating and damaging," he said. Related Wired Links: Connecting Your Car to the Web Oct. 9, 2000 >>From Plato to Play-Fakes Oct. 2, 2000 RealNetworks Calls on Cell Phones Sep. 28, 2000 Measuring the Cell Phone Risk Sep. 5, 2000 Wait Online, Not in Line at 49ers Aug. 28, 2000 Copyright 1994-2000 Wired Digital Inc. All rights reserved. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Nov 2000 15:44:10 -0500 From: Bennett Haselton Subject: "Blind Ballots": candidates' censored web sites "We should demand that all public schools and libraries install and configure Internet Filters." Until this morning, that sentence appeared on the home page of Jeffery Pollock, running as the Republican candidate for Oregon's 3rd Congressional District. He took it down after finding out that Pollock4Congress.com was blocked by Cyber Patrol in their "Sexually Explicit" category (the link below is a screen shot of Cyber Patrol blocking Pollock's campaign site): http://peacefire.org/censorware/Cyber_Patrol/caps/candidate-sites/pollock4co ngress.com.blocked.11-7-2000.gif Peacefire has released a new report, "Blind Ballots: Web Sites of U.S. Political Candidates Censored by Censorware", at: http://peacefire.org/blind-ballots/ The report lists a few dozen candidates whose Web sites, like Jeffery Pollock's, are currently blocked by Cyber Patrol and/or Bess, two of the most popular blocking software programs used in schools and libraries. ***** Cyber Patrol is still claiming that all sites on their lists are reviewed to ensure that they meet the company's criteria, before they get blocked: http://www.surfcontrol.com/products/cyberpatrol_for_home/product_overview/cy bernot_cats.html And the CEO of N2H2 (the company that makes Bess) also testified before Congress that their company reviews all blocked sites before they are added to their database: "All sites that are blocked are reviewed by N2H2 staff before being added to the block lists." - -http://www.peacefire.org/censorware/BESS/peter-nickerson.filtering-bill-tes timony.9-11-1998.txt -Bennett bennett@peacefire.org http://www.peacefire.org (425) 649 9024 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Nov 2000 17:11:52 -0500 From: "John R. Covert Spam Sink" Subject: Re: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: >you should have contacted the prosecutor probably for your county, as >the state Attorney General doesn't usually have the power to make a >criminal prosecution. Well, we have no county court system here in Massachusetts, but on your recommendation I did contact the local district court, asked for a prosecutor, and was referred to my Town's police department. I spoke to a detective, who sent a police officer to file a report. The officer was not very interested, was not willing to believe the obviousness of the fraud, had never heard of cramming, did not want to read the documentation that I provided, and seemed to think that by getting the charge taken off the bill, the case was closed. He left without writing anything down, but did take the documentation I supplied back to the police station. /john - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Nov 2000 18:19:35 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Wired News : The Little Phone Co. That Could >>From 'Mike Pollock': >LGC Wireless, through shared antennae sites providers, has already >nailed down some pretty impressive accounts -- including all three >major airports in the New York metropolitan area, Atlanta's Hartsfield >International Airport and SAFECO Field in Seattle. Wow. Any relation to Lucky Goldstar Corp, the cellphone manufacturer? - -- ** To all who asked: The Chow now has a good home! Tnx for your interest ** Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Nov 2000 22:03:09 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Persuader November 6, 2000 The Persuader For years Net leaders have dug in their heels against any federal privacy law. Then came Christine Varney, a masterful negotiator who helped persuade them to support a new bill. By Keith Perine WASHINGTON - Everyone was ready for a fight when a coterie of lobbyists for a group of leading high-tech companies convened in the spring of 1998. But no one quite expected that the two-month negotiation that followed would be so "laborious," "painstaking" and "excruciating," in the words of participants. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,19875,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4732 P - FCC TECH ADVISORY COUNCIL... ...seeks members. Nominations are due by November 22, 2000. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4733 F - PRE-REGISTRATION: IS IT IS, OR IS IT AIN'T? ICANN says, "it is premature for companies to offer pre-registration services for domain names ... the practice of pre-registration should not be encouraged." Yet here is a pre-registration-selling press release issued today by an accredited ICANN registrar and Multilingual Technology Provider for the VeriSign that tells us "The "name-rush" is on, and pre-registration is increasing at a fast pace ... Over ten thousand names have already been pre-registered at higher prices making this an excellent opportunity to save money while protecting each internet domain name. There is a risk of losing a domain name if it is not pre-registered..." Huh? CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4731 P - ICANN INJECTS ITSELF IN MULTILINGUAL DNS PROGRESS ... while Beijing complains to ICANN over the registration of Chinese domain names, the latest salvo in an ongoing row between Beijing and Network Solutions Inc over NSI's promotion of its Chinese domain name registration service. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4730 F - ISP AGENDA: FEW NEW TLD'S. WHY? Regardless of the number of applications received, as few as possible gTLDs should be introduced this time around. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4729 F - .HERE, IS ALREADY .HERE! "I've already tried [provisioning .here] with ICANN," he said, "and they said some encouraging stuff, but nothing seems to have happened. I don't have $50,000 to do what the rest are doing... So I'm trying the IETF." 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #118 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Thu Nov 9 06:19:29 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA14470 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 06:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16154 invoked by uid 85); 9 Nov 2000 06:15:16 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 16091 invoked by uid 85); 9 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Date: 9 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Message-ID: <20001109111512.16090.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #119 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Thursday, November 9 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 119 In this issue: Lucent integration T-1 volume loss Re: The Persuader Aansluitfactor = Dutch REN ? Exciting toll free money making offer (not spam) cmsg cancel Autodin Memories Nortel DMS-200 Question 11/8/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Company Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Nov 2000 08:33:45 -0500 From: Lowe Chris Subject: Lucent integration I have been passed a proposal presented to a client for a Lucent Definity switch, to be installed into their new office. I have been told that this proposal was drawn up in response to their meeting with a sales rep, and presenting the "requirements" -- i.e., "we want VTC, we want external audio inputs, we want PC integration, we want call support center functionality, etc., etc." My problem is that the proposal is a list of lucent part numbers with minimal explanation, and I do not know how to reconcile a pile of parts to a function. Further, there does not appear to be any integration or programming time, nor is there any training for the IT staff (my contract team) that will have to take over support of this system. So I guess by bottom line question is: Does anyone know some place where I can find an interpretive guide to Lucent phone switch technology? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Nov 2000 09:40:25 -0500 From: "Nortec" Subject: T-1 volume loss An interesting issue I recently ran into: Configuration: New T-1 for 2-way voice on a new Norstar (MICS 4.1 release 2). Works fine with the exception that on a few calls each day the volume the Norstar side hears drops dramatically during the call. I placed test calls on each trunk and they all sound fine and there are no errors in the MICS logs or on the span. I suspect it may be the configuration for network loss treatment. Any thoughts? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Nov 2000 09:58:42 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: The Persuader I understand that for copyright reasons you shouldn't include the entire article in these teaser posts. But could you at least try to include enough content, or a summary of your own, so that we can tell what it's about? These introductory paragraphs that were quoted are extremely vague. In article , Monty Solomon wrote: >November 6, 2000 > >The Persuader > >For years Net leaders have dug in their heels against any federal >privacy law. Then came Christine Varney, a masterful negotiator who >helped persuade them to support a new bill. > >By Keith Perine > >WASHINGTON - Everyone was ready for a fight when a coterie of >lobbyists for a group of leading high-tech companies convened in the >spring of 1998. But no one quite expected that the two-month >negotiation that followed would be so "laborious," "painstaking" and >"excruciating," in the words of participants. > >http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,19875,00.html - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Nov 2000 15:15:22 -0500 From: Jack Powers Subject: Aansluitfactor = Dutch REN ? I see on the labels of Dutch telephones markings like: Aansluitfactor 2.0 NL 89112001 The first lools like the US Ringer Equivalency Number (REN), the second like a registration number. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:12:12 EST From: "mkuras" Subject: cmsg cancel Spam that leaked through robot moderator ------------------------------ Date: 8 Nov 2000 17:29:17 -0500 From: Everett & Deb Muse Subject: Autodin Memories In the early 1960's I designed , tested the first Honeywell Autodin Computer Terminal, if you can call an old H-200 a terminal. The first one was installed at Scott AFB in E. St Louis. It was very interesting working with people who were used to moving data on paper tape by bicycle courier from the Signal room to the computer room. They refused to believe that data could be received and processed by the same machine. I don't know how many Hon. systems were installed as I went on to smaller and better things. I retired from Hon. in 1989 after 30 years. It seems I have outlasted the Hon. computer divisions!. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Nov 2000 20:18:59 -0500 From: "Matthew Sadler" Subject: Nortel DMS-200 Question Anyone know when the DMS-200 switches went into production and active service? Thanks. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew Sadler http://www.trainweb.org/tnvalley/ Tennessee Valley Railfanning http://www.kf4lhp.net/ Chattanooga's amateur radio & scanner resource - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Since representatives of these groups already have claimed their seats on the board, they'll have a good chance of drowning out protests from those elected to represent the general public. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4739 P - TOLL FREE ISSUES AT NEXT NANC MEETING Agenda items include Toll Free Access Codes Issue Management Group (IMG) Report, and Network Interconnection and Interoperability Forum (NIIF) Resolution of Issue #0173 – Toll Free Record Application Performance Guidelines. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4738 F - JURIES AND THE UDRP Is the UDRP "law"? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck (even if it has a sign around its neck that says "I'm a dog."). The UDRP walks and quacks like law. It sets out a rule for deciding between competing claims to possession of particular resources. It sets up a process to apply that rule on a case-by-case basis. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #119 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Fri Nov 10 01:06:07 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA10512 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25894 invoked by uid 85); 10 Nov 2000 01:00:33 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 25854 invoked by uid 85); 10 Nov 2000 01:00:29 -0500 Date: 10 Nov 2000 01:00:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20001110060029.25853.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #120 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Friday, November 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 120 In this issue: Call Forwarding Issue Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #118 Recherche Infos Minitel cmsg cancel <3.0.5.32.20001109090951.00971d30@poptop.llnl.gov> reminds me of those post-pay phones?! Re: Recherche Infos Minitel Swiss bank info posted on Web Re: Nortel DMS-200 Question 11/10/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Caller ID Entire Nextel Wireless Web not working for two days Filtering programs block candidate sites Re: The Persuader ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Nov 2000 08:49:38 -0500 From: MARK BRYAN Subject: Call Forwarding Issue I have purchased call forwarding no answer fixed from Verizon in Florida. It was working fine, It forwards my home number to my cell phone and I use its voicemail. I am now getting complaints that when you dial the home number after the 4 rings you get either dead air or a busy signal. I have reported the problem to Verizon, and they are working supposedly to resolve. In testing I found any call that comes in with a caller id packet (valid phone number), they get the busy signal etc. However, when I call from a number that does not provide caller id info(pbx trunk), then forwarding works fine. If I activate all call forward, and call from either source the call forwards fine. I am served by a GTD5 CO, on a remote RSU. I am sure the feature has worked in the past, as I have gotten calls on the cell phone with ID, when people have dialed the home number. Any suggestions? Thanks. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Nov 2000 11:23:13 -0500 From: John Ledahl Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #118 PLEASE SEND ALL FUTURE TELECOM DIGESTS TO: jledahl@aol.com THANK YOU. John Ledahl At 06:15 AM 11/8/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Telecom Digest Wednesday, November 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 118 > > > >In this issue: > > Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) > Pat's situation... > Wired News : The Little Phone Co. That Could > "Blind Ballots": candidates' censored web sites > Re: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek > Re: Wired News : The Little Phone Co. That Could > The Persuader > 11/7/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: 7 Nov 2000 11:19:04 -0500 >From: Diamond Dave >Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) > >Some early pay phones on step by step and crossbar systems did not >work until you put money in the pay phone. > >Back at that time, 911 wasn't as wide spread as it is now, you usually >dialed the operator for an emergency. > > > > > >On 4 Nov 2000 08:55:41 -0500, shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard >Erickson) wrote: > >>msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) writes: >> >>> Dave Perussel: >>>> > Speaking of post-pay, does anyone remember PRE-pay? These were common >>>> > on many #5 crossbar systems and some step by step offices where you >>>> > had to insert money to even get a dial tone! Even to call the operator >>>> > or 911 you had to insert a dime (later a quarter). ... >>> >>> Leonard Erickson: >>>> What do you mean "remember"? >>>> >>>> *Every* payphone I've used in the last few years (in Portland, OR) has >>>> instructions to insert the coins *before* dialing a local call. >>> >>> Interesting. Do you get dial tone on these phones before inserting the >>> coins, so you can at least call the operator or 911 without coins? >> >>There's a dialtone. And I seem to recall that being able to call 911 >>for free is required, isn't it? >> >>-- >>Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) >> shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred >>leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 7 Nov 2000 11:19:16 -0500 >From: Mike Sandman >Subject: Pat's situation... > >I'e gotten several emails from readers who haven't seen the Digest >posts from last August regarding Pat. > >Here are a couple of previous Telecom Digest articles that will give a >little background to Pat's situation: > >http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=656464660&CONTEXT=968095014.734 003212&hitnum=2 > >http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=656484003&CONTEXT=968095014.734 003212&hitnum=3 > >Pat is not in great health, but he's doing remarkably well for someone >who was in a coma for 30 days after an aneurysm. Pat should be getting >out soon, but he's beng told that he can't use a PC - not a good thing >for Pat. > >Basically, Pat pissed off the cops in his hometown, and a cop found a >way to get back at him. Pat was stupid for doing that, but pissing off >a cop is not illegal. What the cop did in turn, is illegal. Luckily, >the cop did not cover all his tracks (I guess that's not too smart >either!), and the tables are about to turn. > >If you personally know a good lawyer in the Chicago area that would be >able to take Pat's case on a contingency basis, let me know. > >Mike Sandman > >mike@sandman.com > >- ----------------------------------------------------------- >Mike Sandman 630-980-7710 > >E-mail: mike@sandman.com > >WWW: http://www.sandman.com > >Our 112 page catalog of Unique Telecom Products & Tools >is on the World Wide Web. > >We have a fantastic assortment of Cable Installation Tools >and Training Videos to help you use them. NEW "Basic ISDN", >"Intro to T1" and Fiber Optic/CAT 5 Training Videos are now available. > >Also check out our Telephony History Page, which contains >ads and articles from telephony related magazines from the >first part of the century. >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 7 Nov 2000 15:14:49 -0500 >From: itsamike@yahoo.com (Mike Pollock) >Subject: Wired News : The Little Phone Co. That Could > > From Wired News, available online at: >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,39914,00.html > >The Little Phone Co. That Could >by Elisa Batista > >2:00 a.m. Nov. 7, 2000 PST > >In a niche dominated by the giant phone carriers, a small San >Jose-based company has developed a method that reduces that annoying >problem of dropped cell-phone calls and spotty coverage. > >LGC Wireless, through shared antennae sites providers, has already >nailed down some pretty impressive accounts -- including all three >major airports in the New York metropolitan area, Atlanta's Hartsfield >International Airport and SAFECO Field in Seattle. > >Now LGC plans to offer improved indoor cellular phone coverage to >15,000 multi-tenant buildings, hospitals, malls and convention centers >in the United States and Canada. Pretty ambitious for a small company >that hasn't even gone public. > >The service uses a network of distributed antennae and cables and >distributes radio frequency signals, without breaking up the spectrum, >so users indoors could receive constant coverage. > >"This is a brand new business opportunity we recognized years ago," >said Enrique Cuellar, vice president of marketing for LGC Wireless. > >While phone service carriers can implement networks to improve on poor >indoor cell-phone reception, each company would have to erect a system >–- which can create an eyesore of cables. Not to mention the added >time and expense of negotiating with building owners. > >LGC Wireless has been banking that carriers and other parties will >rely on its network. > >"We have this ability to very efficiently and effectively improve >coverage," Cuellar said. "Tower companies like SpectraSite (LGC's most >recent partner) will negotiate for the rights to inside the buildings, >then any carrier can negotiate with SpectraSite if they want to >provide coverage in buildings. > >"The carrier wins because it can sell cellular phones and minutes of >use to the subscribers and not have to concentrate or devote time >negotiating with building owners for putting equipment inside the >building." > >Seems like a logical remedy to a headache that has plagued this >industry since the 1980s. But carriers, such as Sprint, prefer to >control the indoor network. > >Other companies, such as phone manufacturer Motorola, also offer >solutions to poor indoor coverage. But even these products, the >company says, cannot ensure 100 percent coverage. > >Motorola spokesman Roderick Kelly said there's little to complain >about dropped cell-phone calls compared to when wired line service is >down because of outside interference. > >"When you are a business owner and wired line service is down for a >couple days because someone cut through a phone line -- that is more >frustrating and damaging," he said. > >Related Wired Links: > >Connecting Your Car to the Web >Oct. 9, 2000 > >>From Plato to Play-Fakes >Oct. 2, 2000 > >RealNetworks Calls on Cell Phones >Sep. 28, 2000 > >Measuring the Cell Phone Risk >Sep. 5, 2000 > >Wait Online, Not in Line at 49ers >Aug. 28, 2000 > >Copyright 1994-2000 Wired Digital Inc. All rights reserved. >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 7 Nov 2000 15:44:10 -0500 >From: Bennett Haselton >Subject: "Blind Ballots": candidates' censored web sites > >"We should demand that all public schools and libraries install and >configure Internet Filters." > >Until this morning, that sentence appeared on the home page of Jeffery >Pollock, running as the Republican candidate for Oregon's 3rd Congressional >District. He took it down after finding out that Pollock4Congress.com was >blocked by Cyber Patrol in their "Sexually Explicit" category (the link >below is a screen shot of Cyber Patrol blocking Pollock's campaign site): > >http://peacefire.org/censorware/Cyber_Patrol/caps/candidate-sites/pollock4co >ngress.com.blocked.11-7-2000.gif > >Peacefire has released a new report, "Blind Ballots: Web Sites of U.S. >Political Candidates Censored by Censorware", at: > > http://peacefire.org/blind-ballots/ > >The report lists a few dozen candidates whose Web sites, like Jeffery >Pollock's, are currently blocked by Cyber Patrol and/or Bess, two of the >most popular blocking software programs used in schools and libraries. > >***** > >Cyber Patrol is still claiming that all sites on their lists are reviewed >to ensure that they meet the company's criteria, before they get blocked: > >http://www.surfcontrol.com/products/cyberpatrol_for_home/product_overview/cy >bernot_cats.html > >And the CEO of N2H2 (the company that makes Bess) also testified before >Congress that their company reviews all blocked sites before they are added >to their database: > >"All sites that are blocked are reviewed by N2H2 staff before being added >to the block lists." >- - -http://www.peacefire.org/censorware/BESS/peter-nickerson.filtering-bill-tes >timony.9-11-1998.txt > > -Bennett > >bennett@peacefire.org http://www.peacefire.org >(425) 649 9024 >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 7 Nov 2000 17:11:52 -0500 >From: "John R. Covert Spam Sink" >Subject: Re: Telesleaze operator Integretel crams the wrong Techno-Geek > >"Adam H. Kerman" wrote: > >>you should have contacted the prosecutor probably for your county, as >>the state Attorney General doesn't usually have the power to make a >>criminal prosecution. > >Well, we have no county court system here in Massachusetts, but on your >recommendation I did contact the local district court, asked for a >prosecutor, and was referred to my Town's police department. I spoke >to a detective, who sent a police officer to file a report. The officer >was not very interested, was not willing to believe the obviousness of >the fraud, had never heard of cramming, did not want to read the >documentation that I provided, and seemed to think that by getting >the charge taken off the bill, the case was closed. He left without >writing anything down, but did take the documentation I supplied back >to the police station. > >/john >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 7 Nov 2000 18:19:35 -0500 >From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) >Subject: Re: Wired News : The Little Phone Co. That Could > >>From 'Mike Pollock': > >>LGC Wireless, through shared antennae sites providers, has already >>nailed down some pretty impressive accounts -- including all three >>major airports in the New York metropolitan area, Atlanta's Hartsfield >>International Airport and SAFECO Field in Seattle. > >Wow. Any relation to Lucky Goldstar Corp, the cellphone manufacturer? > > >- -- >** To all who asked: The Chow now has a good home! Tnx for your interest ** >Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET >North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net >JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net >mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 7 Nov 2000 22:03:09 -0500 >From: Monty Solomon >Subject: The Persuader > >November 6, 2000 > >The Persuader > >For years Net leaders have dug in their heels against any federal >privacy law. Then came Christine Varney, a masterful negotiator who >helped persuade them to support a new bill. > >By Keith Perine > >WASHINGTON - Everyone was ready for a fight when a coterie of >lobbyists for a group of leading high-tech companies convened in the >spring of 1998. But no one quite expected that the two-month >negotiation that followed would be so "laborious," "painstaking" and >"excruciating," in the words of participants. > >http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,19875,00.html >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 01:21:14 -0500 >From: "Judith Oppenheimer" >Subject: 11/7/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES > >************************************************************************* >ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES >************************************************************************* >from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering >the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. >************************************************************************* > >VISIT ICB CLASSIFIEDS: http://ICBclassifieds.com > >************************************************************************* > >CONTENTS > >- - UTTER BS WITH AN ENHANCED STENCH >..... seeping out of Ottawa. > >- - FCC TECH ADVISORY COUNCIL... > >- - PRE-REGISTRATION: IS IT IS, OR IS IT AIN'T? >..... depends who's asking. > >- - ICANN INJECTS ITSELF IN MULTILINGUAL DNS PROGRESS >..... grandstands on NSI's dime while Beijing weighs its options. > >- - ISP AGENDA: FEW NEW TLD'S. WHY? >..... what, lose all those name@aol.com's? No way! > >- - .HERE, IS ALREADY .HERE! >..... don't have $50,000 for a new TLD? Try the IETF. > >************************************************************************ > >CUSTOMER SERVICE NOTES: > >With over 4,000 articles archived, ICB is a popular research destination. >Find all ICB headlines: http://www.icbtollfree.com/icbheadlns.cfm, >or use ICB's search engine: http://icbtollfree.com/Search.cfm. > >Note: Registration is required. 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Register online to receive your 10% discount. >http://www.ftconferences.com/dynamic/conferences/ftwt00.htm?bn=icb > >************************************************************************* > >EVERY 3.6 SECONDS SOMEONE DIES FROM HUNGER http://www.hungersite.com/ > >************************************************************************* > >ARTICLE ACCESS CODE LEGEND > >ICB Toll Free News offers two valuable service options: >F = Free - News and Features articles >P = Premium - Unlimited Site Access including all Articles and Documents. > >************************************************************************ >HEADLINES for November 7, 2000 > >F - UTTER BS WITH AN ENHANCED STENCH >Ottawa IP lawyer, re-"elected" by the 19-member IP-captured Names >Council of ICANN, would have you believe that the 70,000 voters-strong >At Large election heralded his arrival, its constituency his supporters. >Nothing could be further from the truth. >CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4732 > >P - FCC TECH ADVISORY COUNCIL... >...seeks members. Nominations are due by November 22, 2000. >CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4733 > >F - PRE-REGISTRATION: IS IT IS, OR IS IT AIN'T? >ICANN says, "it is premature for companies to offer pre-registration >services >for domain names ... the practice of pre-registration should not be >encouraged." >Yet here is a pre-registration-selling press release issued today by an >accredited >ICANN registrar and Multilingual Technology Provider for the VeriSign that >tells >us "The "name-rush" is on, and pre-registration is increasing at a fast pace >... >Over ten thousand names have already been pre-registered at higher prices >making this an excellent opportunity to save money while protecting each >internet >domain name. There is a risk of losing a domain name if it is not >pre-registered..." >Huh? >CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4731 > >P - ICANN INJECTS ITSELF IN MULTILINGUAL DNS PROGRESS >... while Beijing complains to ICANN over the registration of Chinese domain >names, >the latest salvo in an ongoing row between Beijing and Network Solutions Inc >over >NSI's promotion of its Chinese domain name registration service. >CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4730 > >F - ISP AGENDA: FEW NEW TLD'S. WHY? >Regardless of the number of applications received, as few as possible gTLDs >should >be introduced this time around. >CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4729 > >F - .HERE, IS ALREADY .HERE! >"I've already tried [provisioning .here] with ICANN," he said, "and they >said some >encouraging stuff, but nothing seems to have happened. I don't have $50,000 >to do >what the rest are doing... So I'm trying the IETF." >CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4728 > >************************************************************************* > >ABOUT ICB > >ICB HeadsUp Headlines Daily Email is sent by request. > >Subscriptions to Daily Email are free to qualified applicants. >Visit http://www.icbtollfree.com/reg.cfm?NextURL=Index.cfm to sign up. > >Please feel free to pass along a copy to a friend, within reason >so long as the message is not modified or used unfavorably. > >To unsubscribe mailto:editor@icbtollfree.com, subject: unsubscribe. > >*************************** >ADVERTISING INFORMATION >*************************** > >For information on advertising in ICB HeadsUp Headlines emails, >see http://www.icbtollfree.com/ArticleId4415.html > >************************************************************************* >Only subscribers or registered users of ICB Toll Free News web site >will be able to access all or some of the full text of URLs provided. >************************************************************************* >Copyright © 2000 ICB, Inc. All rights reserved. >************************************************************************* > >------------------------------ > >End of Telecom Digest V2000 #118 >******************************** > > > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Nov 2000 12:49:00 -0500 From: "Philippe Buhr" Subject: Recherche Infos Minitel Je recherche désespérément toutes sortes d'info sur le Minitel (techniques en particulier) ou le I-Minitel. Si vous savez où trouver des telles infos, ou même sur la tarification ou les services, je suis preneur. Merci d'avance Philippe PS : j'ai déjà regardé sur www.i-minitel.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:04:07 EST From: John Ledahl Subject: cmsg cancel <3.0.5.32.20001109090951.00971d30@poptop.llnl.gov> Spam that leaked through robot moderator ------------------------------ Date: 9 Nov 2000 16:20:40 -0500 From: Carl Moore Subject: reminds me of those post-pay phones?! Please don't spin off into political discussions in this forum, but, having seen lots of publicity about those controversial punch-hole ballots (Palm Beach County, Fla.), I am guessing that form of ballot is uncommon LIKE the post-pay phones (including some which had been in Perryville and Port Deposit, Maryland, near me). In either case (those ballots or those phones), I take it that people who are new to them could trip up. I did have to ask the phone company to send me a refund for one of those post-pay phones. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Nov 2000 16:25:55 -0500 From: Ryan Shook Subject: Re: Recherche Infos Minitel I am unable to provide the needed information but I can translate into English so hopefully others can help. Je n'ai pas l'info que vous cherchez mais cette traduction en Anglais peut etre permis les autres d'avoir une chance. - -Ryan Translation of original message in English: I am desperately searching for all sorts of information (especially technical) on the Minitel or the I-Minitel. If you find or know this information even on tarification or services I would be willing to purchase it. (Philippe) PS I already looked on www.i-minitel.com On 9 Nov 2000, Philippe Buhr wrote: > Je recherche désespérément toutes sortes d'info sur le Minitel (techniques > en particulier) ou le I-Minitel. Si vous savez où trouver des telles infos, > ou même sur la tarification ou les services, je suis preneur. > Merci d'avance > > Philippe > > PS : j'ai déjà regardé sur www.i-minitel.com > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > > - -- Ryan Shook Mechanical Engineering | Amateur (HAM) Radio Lic.:VE3 TKD RJShook@uwaterloo.ca | http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/students/rjshook/ How smart is it to piss off a state that's legalized killing people? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Nov 2000 16:51:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Swiss bank info posted on Web Swiss bank info posted on Web A technical glitch on a test Web site is being blamed for the posting of high-profile show business personalities' secret Swiss bank account numbers, private addresses and money transfers, Credit Suisse Group reportedly acknowledged Thursday. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/nb/nb3.htm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Nov 2000 20:02:47 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Nortel DMS-200 Question On 8 Nov 2000 20:18:59 -0500, "Matthew Sadler" wrote: >Anyone know when the DMS-200 switches went into production and active >service? I am not sure of the year, I think it was '78 or '79. 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Thanks, Praveen Rao ____________________________________________ Email: prao@tennyson.com.au, - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 00:15:47 -0500 From: "Doug Reuben / www.interpage.net" Subject: Entire Nextel Wireless Web not working for two days We recently signed up for the $5 Nextel Wireless Web add-on to one of our National Business plan Nextel accounts (the only reason we have one being the unlimited incoming airtime; Nextel coverage and handoffs are so poor that the only reason we are still with them is because of the unlimited incoming airtime; as soon as Nextel gets rids of the unlimited incoming airtime we get rid of them!). After about a week of semi-acceptable service (the display is certainly better than the tiny one offered on AT&T Pocketnet Ericsson phones, although the navigation is cumbersome and you frequently can't back up to the previous web page or level -- you need to go to the main Nextel menu to escape at times), the Nextel wireless web service appears to be down, and seems to have been so for over two days! We noticed this as we started writing WAP and HDML interfaces to our site and were testing out the overall reliability of our coding -- little did we expect that the actual network which carried the commands to us was not working! Initially, we tested and tested on our side figuring we had done something incorrectly, and it wasn't for a day or so till we figured that the error or outage was in the actual Wireless Web service which Nextel "provides". Each time we try to access it by going to the "Net Nextel" menu, we get "Waiting..." and it eventually just times out, or it immediately says "Network Not Responding". We have tried it so far from the Boston, NY Metro, Upstate NY (Albany and the Thruway corridor), Philadelphia, and Baltimore/DC markets, and the results are the same -- the network is simply unavailable. Calling Nextel was surprising-- they seem to very matter-of-factly acknowledge the problem and leave it at that: "Oh yes, the Nextel Web service is currently down and has been for a few days -- we aren't sure when it will be working again, but we apologize for your inconvenience". It seems that they don't consider this to be a priority... So I'm not sure how robust or reliable their network is; I know that if BAMS, GTE's, AT&T's or any other CDPD carrier went down for so long throughout their entire nationwide network (or even local CDPD networks like SNET in CT and RI), CDPD customers and public service/emergency services would be screaming; here, in the case of Nextel, it seems no one really cares to much and that they seem to find an almost 3-day service outage to be acceptable and almost (from the attitude of the service reps I've spoken with) to be not all that unusual. With the limited offerings that these phone-based microbrowser wireless web services offer, the fact that Nextel specifically allows its network(s) to go down for such an extended period further convinces me that these wireless web microbrowser services offer more hype than value and that the carriers need to do a lot more (or retarget the market to wireless data/wireless fixed IP similar to CDPD) to attract a significant enough customer base to even recover their costs for implementing these services, let alone profit from them and/or use them as customer retention tools. (This post and updated SID list are also available at www.wirelessnotes.org) Regards, Doug Doug Reuben / Interpage(TM) Network Services Inc. / www.interpage.net dsr1@interpage.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 00:38:01 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Filtering programs block candidate sites Filtering programs block candidate sites By Lisa M. Bowman, ZDNN November 8, 2000 11:04 AM PT Congressional candidate Jeffery Pollock used to advocate Internet filters. Then he learned that popular blocking software Cyber Patrol has been banning some people from visiting his campaign site. It turns out that folks who enabled Cyber Patrol's blocking of "Full Nudity," "Partial Nudity," and "Sexual Acts/Texts" may not have been able to get to the site -- a revelation that floored the conservative Christian candidate. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2651471,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 01:00:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Re: The Persuader >Date: 8 Nov 2000 09:58:42 -0500 >From: Barry Margolin >Subject: Re: The Persuader > >I understand that for copyright reasons you shouldn't include the entire >article in these teaser posts. But could you at least try to include >enough content, or a summary of your own, so that we can tell what it's >about? These introductory paragraphs that were quoted are extremely vague. > > > http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,19875,00.html Pointer to a lengthy and interesting article which discusses privacy legislation attempts and the role of Christine Varney in the process. Monty - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #120 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Fri Nov 10 06:19:48 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA16465 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20470 invoked by uid 85); 10 Nov 2000 06:15:16 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 20397 invoked by uid 85); 10 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Date: 10 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20001110111510.20396.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #121 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Friday, November 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 121 In this issue: Digest Bell Atlantic Mobile/Verizon - NY No Answer Transfer failures ANI's ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Nov 2000 01:36:30 -0500 From: "Ryan Nichols" Subject: Digest How do you subscribe to your digest ? Thank You Ryan Nichols - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 01:56:45 -0500 From: "Doug Reuben / www.interpage.net" Subject: Bell Atlantic Mobile/Verizon - NY No Answer Transfer failures Over the weekend, Bell Atlantic Mobile (Verizon)'s New York Metro / 00022 market got a software upgrade to a number of switches, mainly in the NYC Metropolitan area. Although facially a seamless upgrade, the new software revision affects the way the *71/No Answer Transfer feature works, causing calls to go to voicemail when the phone is off or can not be located instead of to the desired No Answer Transfer (NAT) destination number. The NAT feature (under the ATT/Autoplex/Lucent/whatever the name-of-the-week is for the AT&T cellular switch with BAMS uses) acts as an override to voicemail and the "Mobile Subscriber is Not Available" recording if voicemail is not enabled. If you hit *71+Area code+7-digit number, which activates the NAT feature, each time someone calls your phone and your phone is off, you are not in a coverage area, or you just don't want to answer the call, the NAT feature is supposed to direct the call your specified destination phone number which you set with the *71 command (BTW, you can use *73 to deactivate all forwarding or in some markets *713 to deact only NAT, leaving any other previous forwards/treatments in place, supposedly :) ). This is especially useful to many customers since they can have the NAT set during the day to their office so a receptionist can answer a call if the cellular subscriber can't be reached at the BAMS cellphone, and then at night the subscriber can issue another *71 command to send the calls to their answering service, or hit *713 (or just *73) to allow the calls to go back to voicemail. Essentially, the *71 command allows you to override voicemail (if you have it) or the "Unavailable" recording and redirect unanswered calls to someone who can take the call for you and respond to the caller immediately rather than having it go to voicemail, which in many cases -- and certainly here at Interpage -- is deemed unprofessional during business hours. With the recent software upgrade, the NAT feature no longer works this way. As on this Monday, 11/6/2000, when someone calls your BAMS NY Metro phone and it is either *off* or the *switch can't find the phone*, REGARDLESS of your NAT settings the caller will go to voicemail. (If the phone is on and you just don't answer it will go to the proper NAT number.) This dramatically vitiates the purpose of the NAT feature -- if a customer sets the NAT feature to go to his/her receptionist and is expecting the receptionist to field the call and try to find someone to immediately assist the caller, and the Bell Atlantic Mobile customer goes into an elevator, turns the phone off, travels to an area with poor coverage or an overloaded system, or for some other reason drops out of coverage, then instead of the call going to the receptionist, it will instead go to voicemail. The caller will thus not be answered immediately, and if the phone is out of coverage for a while, the voicemail indicator may not working, resulting in what may have been an urgent call being unanswered for an extended period of time EVEN THOUGH THE BAMS CUSTOMER TOOK THE STEPS TO SET UNANSWERED CALLS TO BE FIELDED BY A PERSON RATHER THAN VOICEMAIL. After testing this out on two of our BAMS/NY Digital Accounts and verifying the problem (and at the same time seeing no evidence of this on New England, CT, Philly, or DC market accounts -- let's hope this is indeed the case!), I called customer service to get a tech to look into this. I first spoke to the Carolina "overflow" center, and I could immediately tell by the accent (nothing wrong with it but it's a good way to tell where you are reaching) that I was getting the overflow center. After 5 minutes of my trying to explain the problem with no success, I asked what I always ask "Are you the overflow center in the Carolinas?" and the rep said "Yes", so I responded "Can you get me Orangeburg (NY) so I can talk to a tech rep there?" and she seemed glad to transfer me. (This is common -- the overflow center can't really do too much other than very simple stuff -- I hope that unlike AT&T and SWBel that BAMS still retains its regional service centers (Woburn, Wallingford, Orangeburg, and Philly/DC since it's only when you talk to them can you get anything done. Indeed, if they would only hire a few more front-end people in the local markets who can field the "simple" calls they could dispense with the Carolina call center since it seems that even for relatively simple calls they are ill-equipped to address such issues.) After getting Orangeburg, I talked to a helpful technician there named Derrek. After explaining the situation to him, he said he received and e-mail about it a day ago from the Operations office, and that a number of other people had complained about the exact same problem. (And I'm very glad to see BAMS has put in place a seemingly effective mechanism for disseminating information like this to it's field people; many other carriers like AT&T wireless would have some idiot up in Nova Scotia who has no idea what No Answer Transfer is try to answer the question based on some training manual!) Derrek indicated that they were aware of the problem and are trying to work something out, yet there is no projected time when this will be fixed again. He suggested using *72 (Unconditional call forwarding; ie, your phone rings only once -- just like a 1A/5ESS switch on the landline side -- and is immediately sent to the destination party) but that obviously doesn't do much good since you can't answer your phone. I told him we'd wait till Monday to see what's going on with the fix and call back then. Unlike other carriers we have dealt with at least BAMS seems to be somewhat more "on the ball" and is actively aware of problems AND has that information filter down so that customers can get accurate and timely answers. I still have a number of issues with BAMS regarding feature use in the New England markets and charges for voicemail deposition which they have been utterly incompetent at addressing; see http://www.wirelessnotes.org for details, however, as compared to their competition, they are at least a good deal ahead in terms of addressing this and a number of other technical and somewhat esoteric (yet vital to some customers) issues. (This post and updated SID list are also available at www.wirelessnotes.org) Regards, Doug Doug Reuben / Interpage(TM) Network Services Inc. / www.interpage.net dsr1@interpage.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 02:00:23 -0500 From: Ryan Nichols Subject: ANI's Does anyone know the ANI's for area code 501? I have the ones for 405, but need the ones for 501 and 918.. Been told that one in 405 will work there, but haven't tried it yet.. Thanks - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #121 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Sat Nov 11 06:18:50 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA18700 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 06:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17461 invoked by uid 85); 11 Nov 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 17412 invoked by uid 85); 11 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Date: 11 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20001111111510.17411.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #122 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Saturday, November 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 122 In this issue: "900" caller using someone else's line sentenced Re: Caller ID Lucent Integration Re: ANI's Re: Nortel DMS-200 Question Sprint’s plan stirs privacy concerns Telecom rack specification Re: Telecom rack specification Re: Nortel DMS-200 Question Re: "900" caller using someone else's line sentenced Re: Lucent integration telephone museum? 11/10/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Ruling Says Parents Have Right to See List of Sites Students Visit Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns Re: ANI's free electronics software ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Nov 2000 06:26:58 -0500 From: danny burstein Subject: "900" caller using someone else's line sentenced What's the likelihood these calls really wound up in the Dominican Republic? Probably a bit better than the other places, but even so... http://www.newsday.com/ap/regional/ap302.htm Friend gets 1-year term for boosting income of '900' psychic TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - Presumably, she knows how he feels. The friend of a psychic hot line employee was sentenced Thursday to a year and a day in custody after admitting that he boosted her income by making 153 calls to her ''900'' number from the bank where he worked as a contractor. Yarneiser ''John'' Perez was also ordered to repay $164,378.74 to Bankers Trust Co., the entire amount it was charged for the 546 hours and 30 minutes of calls he made to Teleamigos, in the Dominican Republic. [snip for the usual reason] _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 08:59:03 -0500 From: Denis Mcmahon Subject: Re: Caller ID On 9 Nov 2000 21:58:07 -0500, Praveen Rao wrote: >I believe British Telecom use DTMF for Caller ID signalling. We have a PABX >to configure for BT. >Any info on this subject, standards applicable and where to obtain will be >greatly appreciated. Nope, BT use FSK before the first ring pulse for Caller ID signalling to the subscriber, DTMF is for dialling. If this is a PABX, is this passing CLI onwards to the extensions you are talking about, or signalling extension numbers to the exchange for type 3 CLI, or what. The requirement doesn't make total sense at the moment: Is it an ISDN, ISDNE, DASS, DASS2, DPNSS or Analogue interface to the exchange? Are you talking about receiving CLI from the exchange on incoming calls (and sending this on to the extensions for DDI calls), or supplying callers extension number to the exchange on outgoing calls (for CLI presentation of callers DDI number to called party). Rgds Denis - -- Denis McMahon Usenet: Trim quotes Mobile: +44 7802 468949 Reply at the end Email: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk Don't use html I trim ng when posting! Email domain blocking in use - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 09:12:05 -0500 From: jbeckett Subject: Lucent Integration >From: Lowe Chris >Subject: Lucent integration > >I have been passed a proposal presented to a client for a Lucent Definity >switch, to be installed into their new office. I have been told that this >proposal was drawn up in response to their meeting with a sales rep, and >presenting the "requirements" -- i.e., "we want VTC, we want external audio >inputs, we want PC integration, we want call support center functionality, >etc., etc." My problem is that the proposal is a list of lucent part numbers >with minimal explanation, and I do not know how to reconcile a pile of parts >to a function. Further, there does not appear to be any integration or >programming time, nor is there any training for the IT staff (my contract >team) that will have to take over support of this system. So I guess by >bottom line question is: Does anyone know some place where I can find an >interpretive guide to Lucent phone switch technology? I think that getting an interpretive guide would be a bad idea. Your job is getting the client's needs met, not figuring out somebody's arcane product-numbering scheme. What you have in hand is not a useful proposal. It certainly shouldn't be signed. What went wrong? 1. The client failed to submit a formal RFP. The Request For Proposal defines the business problem to be addressed. Just as important, it defines the line of demarcation between the buyer's capability with the technology and the seller's ability to fill in what's missing. 2. Without a formal RFP in hand, the vendor should have either turned and run or crafted one themselves saying "this is what we understand you want to accomplish." Then they should have prepared a proposal whose _most_important_ clause was that they would fulfil the RFP. It does not hurt to include some in-house part numbers, but that's not really central to the proposal. This is difficult to get across to some salespeople. Which is understandable because they get a paycheck based on product moved rather than solving our needs. So purchasers need to be patient with sales folks, leading them gently in the direction we need them to go. Vendors often use "solution" as a buzzword these days. Those who will actually sell to smart buyers, will understand this word as a clue to the tie-in between the buyer's needs and whatever products are being offered. Nobody needs to buy part/product numbers. They need business needs to be met. The rest is details - certainly details of great interest to many members of this list - but essential at a level lower than the RFP/Proposal process. The RFP should make it clear whether or not they have succeeded in fulfilling the agreement. Don't be scared off by the idea of an RFP, thinking of mountains of paperwork. I once purchased a $150,000 PBX based on a one-page RFP (text on one side, diagram on the other). But without that critical document we wouldn't have known if what we got was what we asked for. Because we wouldn't have asked. - -- John Beckett, Assistant Professor of Computing Southern Adventist University - Collegedale, Tennessee USA 37315 jbeckett@southern.edu http://is.southern.edu/~jbeckett (423) 238-2998 FAX (423) 238-2234 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 09:48:14 -0500 From: "Nortec" Subject: Re: ANI's The ANI's for the 501 area code are 501-NXX-XXXX ;-) Was there something different you were expecting? "Ryan Nichols" wrote in message news:3A0B9DFE.204205DD@mindspring.com... > Does anyone know the ANI's for area code 501? I have the ones for 405, > but need the ones for 501 and 918.. Been told that one in 405 will work > there, but haven't tried it yet.. > > Thanks > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 10:54:34 -0500 From: "Winston Sorfleet" Subject: Re: Nortel DMS-200 Question >Anyone know when the DMS-200 switches went into production and active >service? According to my NT product handbook, they were introduced in 1979. The DMS-200 TOPS came in 1981. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 11:28:34 -0500 From: Mike Pollock Subject: Sprint’s plan stirs privacy concerns Sprint’s plan stirs privacy concerns Some worry that information could get into the wrong hands By Nicole Harris THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Nov. 10 — Sprint’s wireless division said it will put global-positioning-system chips in its cell phones to locate its users, stirring up hot-button privacy concerns that the popular consumer items could become homing devices. http://www.msnbc.com/news/488156.asp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 11:32:07 -0500 From: subodh@best.com (Subodh Nijsure) Subject: Telecom rack specification Is there a standard that specifies how tall, deep telecom equipment racks have to be? Is that specification available somewhere on the net? Thanks. /Subodh Nijsure ( subodh@best.com ) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 14:19:17 -0500 From: John Adams Subject: Re: Telecom rack specification If you've got the shekels ($2800.00) for a single use CD license, Telcordia offers FR-2063-CD, "Network Equipment-Building System (NEBS) Family of Requirements (NEBSFR)" which is the bible for physical designers (real hardware). Generally, if your business is sincere about offering telecom gear, you should have a copy. Subodh Nijsure wrote: > Is there a standard that specifies how tall, deep telecom equipment > racks have to be? Is that specification available somewhere on the net? - -- John "Jack" Adams, Lucent Technologies, Inc. +1.732.224.8045 jackadams@lucent.com "In the future, the most important career skill will be a lack of ethics." - The Dilbert Future, Scott Adams - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 18:19:47 -0500 From: varney@ihgp2.ih.lucent.com (Al Varney) Subject: Re: Nortel DMS-200 Question In article , John McHarry wrote: >On 8 Nov 2000 20:18:59 -0500, "Matthew Sadler" wrote: > >>Anyone know when the DMS-200 switches went into production and active >>service? >I am not sure of the year, I think it was '78 or '79. The office was >O'Conner Street in Ottawa. DMS-200 Toll switch cut-over at the O'Conner exchange Jan. 1979. The DMS-100 local switch first saw service in Ottawa in Sept. 1979. Nortel has close ties beyond being HQed there. Al Varney - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 19:19:28 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: "900" caller using someone else's line sentenced In article , danny burstein wrote: > What's the likelihood these calls really wound up in the Dominican > Republic? Probably a bit better than the other places, but even so... Actually, I'd say it's pretty good. If you're running something like a psych[ot]ic hotline, you want cheap labor. Also, as late-night TV ads will tell you, there's a certain cachet to having a Caribbean accent if you're a psych[ot]ic f[r]iend. I'm sure that you can find people in the D.R. who speak English reasonably well, and still save quite a lot of money compared to U.S. labor rates. > [no longer available at] http://www.newsday.com/ap/regional/ap302.htm > > Friend gets 1-year term for boosting income of '900' psychic > > TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - Presumably, she knows how he feels. > > The friend of a psychic hot line employee was sentenced Thursday to a > year and a day in custody after admitting that he boosted her income > by making 153 calls to her ''900'' number from the bank where he > worked as a contractor. > > Yarneiser ''John'' Perez was also ordered to repay $164,378.74 to > Bankers Trust Co., the entire amount it was charged for the 546 hours > and 30 minutes of calls he made to Teleamigos, in the Dominican > Republic. > > [snip for the usual reason] Given that this is a psych[ot]ic, it's unlikely that this was an 809 number instead of a 900 number, since the settlements to the D.R. don't provide much margin for a one-on-one connection. While we're on the subject of pay-per-call to the Caribbean, though, I've noticed a vigorous resurfacing of the 809 phone scam e-mail virus. I received three copies from unrelated sources in the last week, all identifying 809 as "British Virgin Islands (Bahamas)," and all citing rates in excess of $2,000 per minute. The specific scams cited were all shut down by the end of 1996. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 19:39:14 -0500 From: "Chris Ornellas" Subject: Re: Lucent integration I would suggest not installing any Lucent Switch. I do not favor Lucent in the least. Run as fast as you can away from that bid. "Lowe Chris" wrote in message news:AEE9912AD1AAD311A7E40050DA6090A23CDB6A@famine.ofda.net... > I have been passed a proposal presented to a client for a Lucent Definity > switch, to be installed into their new office. I have been told that this > proposal was drawn up in response to their meeting with a sales rep, and > presenting the "requirements" -- i.e., "we want VTC, we want external audio > inputs, we want PC integration, we want call support center functionality, > etc., etc." My problem is that the proposal is a list of lucent part numbers > with minimal explanation, and I do not know how to reconcile a pile of parts > to a function. Further, there does not appear to be any integration or > programming time, nor is there any training for the IT staff (my contract > team) that will have to take over support of this system. So I guess by > bottom line question is: Does anyone know some place where I can find an > interpretive guide to Lucent phone switch technology? > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 2000 19:55:08 -0500 From: "Fraser, Jane" Subject: telephone museum? My father worked for Bell Labs for 35 years and was one of the engineers on TAT1, the first transatlantic telephone cable. He has a copy of the Bell Labs Journal which describes TAT1. This copy includes the signature of all the authors (including him). Would this be worth donating to some museum? Which museum? Thanks. Jane M. Fraser Chair, Department of Engineering University of Southern Colorado - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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KAPLAN In an opinion sure to heighten the tension between some parents and school systems over the Internet's role in publicly financed education, a New Hampshire judge has decided that a parent is entitled to see a list of the Internet sites or addresses visited by computer users at local schools. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/10/technology/10CYBERLAW.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 2000 04:53:37 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns Mike Pollock quoted from a Wall Street Journal story: "Sprint's wireless division said it will put global-positioning-system chips in its cell phones to locate its users, stirring up hot-button privacy concerns that the popular consumer items could become homing devices." At least some GSM phones are *already* equipped with a transponder feature that measures the distance to the cell site in use. (Some of the "hack" sites give a code to access this information on some Motorola phones.) I don't know if the phones are able to send this information back to the system on demand, but I have to assume that they can; if a user is within range of three cells it would be easy to triangulate the user's position, and even if only two cells were within range a fix could still be obtained by referring to the general direction from which the response is received. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 2000 04:54:29 -0500 From: Ryan Nichols Subject: Re: ANI's Maybe I am calling it the wrong thing.. The guy I talked to called them ANI's.. Its a number that you call and it says 'The Number You Are Calling >From Is ###-####'.. Thanks Ryan Nichols Nortec wrote: > The ANI's for the 501 area code are 501-NXX-XXXX ;-) > > Was there something different you were expecting? > > "Ryan Nichols" wrote in message > news:3A0B9DFE.204205DD@mindspring.com... > > Does anyone know the ANI's for area code 501? I have the ones for 405, > > but need the ones for 501 and 918.. Been told that one in 405 will work > > there, but haven't tried it yet.. > > > > Thanks > > -- > > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 2000 05:17:12 -0500 From: "Paul Taylor" Subject: free electronics software This is a great site with some very useful software, projects and some excellant links to some of the top sites on the net it got to be a must for all those interested or working within the electronics industry. The url is http://www.p5taylor.btinternet.co.uk - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #122 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Sun Nov 12 06:19:17 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA18801 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 06:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26281 invoked by uid 85); 12 Nov 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 26246 invoked by uid 85); 12 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Date: 12 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20001112111510.26245.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #123 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Sunday, November 12 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 123 In this issue: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns NYTimes.com Article: Shopping in Palm of the Hand Is Making Its Holiday Debut Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns Re: Recherche Infos Minitel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Nov 2000 08:15:47 -0500 From: Massimiliano Scagliarini Subject: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns Quoting Ed Ellers : >At least some GSM phones are *already* equipped with a transponder feature >that measures the distance to the cell site in use. (Some of the "hack" >sites give a code to access this information on some Motorola phones.) I >don't know if the phones are able to send this information back to the >system on demand, but I have to assume that they can; if a user is within >range of three cells it would be easy to triangulate the user's position, >and even if only two cells were within range a fix could still be obtained >by referring to the general direction from which the response is received. The "transponder feature" you are talking about is called "Time advance" and it's a parameter strictly related with time division protocols (that's the "core" of Gsm system): since every call uses a "time slot", the phone must know exactly when to speak with the cell. It's the BSC (the cell tower), and not the phone itself, that continuously determines the value of TA. It is possible, knowing TA, to roughly extimate the distance between phone and cell, but I don't think that you can trace the phone that way: it's just a point-to-point "virtual" distance. I mean that TA must account for signal reflections, so it could represent the exact radius only when the cell tower is in eyesight. The more "hidden" is the place where the phone is, the more TA becomes useless as a distance measure. I think that knowing the cell that your phone is using is already a good way of tracing position in the sense that you may know if I'm near a supermarket and send me a list of their special offers. But if you want to know my exact location, the phone must be equipped with some GPS-like device that won't be useful anyway when you are inside buildings, because GPS needs to "see" its satellites. I'm not an expert in tracing phones but I guess that when police needs to find a cell user's position they directly use some sort of triangulation on the phone control frequency based on its IMEI (serial number). So the question is: can cellular companies, in the near future, operate a similar system and use position information for their own purposes? Who can access this information: owner of phones alone or also third-parties? In the latter case, I would expect a strong increase in divorces and separations.... Massimiliano Scagliarini - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 2000 12:25:59 -0500 From: itsamike@yahoo.com Subject: NYTimes.com Article: Shopping in Palm of the Hand Is Making Its Holiday Debut This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by Mike Pollock itsamike@yahoo.com. Telecom Digest Archive at your own risk. Mike Pollock itsamike@yahoo.com /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ LOOKING FOR A TRULY HIGH-SPEED INTERNET EXPERIENCE? Then visit Alcatel.com and see what makes us the world's leading supplier of DSL solutions. Alcatel, world leader in DSL solutions. http://www.nytimes.com/ads/email/alcatel/index.html \----------------------------------------------------------/ Shopping in Palm of the Hand Is Making Its Holiday Debut http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/11/technology/11WIRE.html November 11, 2000 By LESLIE KAUFMAN E-commerce is already ho-hum this Christmas, and shopping malls are still perceived by many as parking traps. But there is something new as the retailing season comes to its peak: the era of mobile shopping, or m-commerce, is making its debut. Just as Web merchants made a splash by promising to free Americans from the sharp elbows and indifferent sales clerks found in clogged stores, mobile services hope to capture fans by untethering customers from their personal computers. Right now, mobile devices like cell phones, beepers and hand-held personal organizers can be used to receive promotional offers from retailers, compare prices on brand-name products, determine what is on sale at the nearest chain store, stay on top of the bidding in an electronic auction and actually make purchases. Beyond those basics, technically astute consumers can use mobile devices to give money to a friend; find stores and restaurants near a specified location; obtain reviews of restaurants, music and books; and even send electronic greeting cards. The new mobile services promise to help time-pressed Americans shop whenever or wherever they want, be it waiting in the dentist's office or on the sidelines of their grade-schooler's soccer game. For now, the mobile experience is more Flintstones than Jetsons. The devices needed for such transactions are laughably awkward, connection times are maddeningly slow, and only a tiny fraction of retailers on the Internet are set up for shopping through wireless channels, which requires a whole additional set of software and links. Moreover, only a few million Americans possess the technology to engage in m-commerce. Still, the necessary gear is becoming more readily available, and those with the right gadgets now will find plenty to keep themselves busy this holiday season. "This is the warm- up," said Mark Plakias, vice president for voice and wireless commerce at the Kelsey Group, a business and technology consulting firm based in Princeton, N.J. "Performance is uneven, and yet there is surprisingly useful stuff out there." Eliot Pierce, a senior program manager with the FeedRoom, a broadband Web site that plays local newscasts from around the country, got a taste of m-commerce on a recent shopping trip when he tried out a hot new product that allows viewers to pause live television. Browsing at the Wiz, he picked out a model he was interested in, and then used his cell phone to dial MySimon.com, an Internet-based price comparison service. MySimon gave him a readout of lower prices and phone numbers of the associated retailers in less than two minutes. In the end, because he found only marginally lower prices through the Internet, Mr. Pierce decided the time was not right to buy the gadget but he did not feel disappointed. "I probably wouldn't buy the thing over the Web," he said. "But it was information I was pysched to have. It gives you peace of mind. If you can be in a store and look up an individual product, that is a pretty darn good service." Such devices have the potential, in the long run, to both hurt and help traditional retailers. In giving consumers far more instant information about goods they want to buy, the devices promise to provide shoppers with even more leverage over retailers. Browsers like Mr. Pierce will be far more likely to compare prices and insist on the best deal if they can do so by pushing a few buttons on a phone rather than calling or visiting several stores. But for retailers eager to reach consumers everywhere, the lure of m-commerce is the opportunity to attract customers outside the reach of other means of advertising. Starting Dec. 1, for example, Banana Republic will post ads on 100 Manhattan phone kiosks with infrared technology enabled by TDI, a division of Viacom. Passers-by can point their hand-held organizers (almost all of the recent versions can read infrared) at the ad and get data from the retailer about store locations and gift ideas. Although Banana Republic has no immediate plans to send e-coupons, the technology is capable of doing that as well. The chain, of course, is looking to send shoppers to its stores, but it is also hoping to establish an innovative way to weave itself more seamlessly into the daily life of its customers, whether strolling to a movie or rushing to a 4:30 meeting. "Technology plays a big role in the lives of our consumers," said Kim Sobel, a company spokeswoman. "We see this as a great way for people to access the brand on the go." It is unclear precisely how many Americans are currently equipped for m-commerce, but it is certainly only a tiny fraction of the populace since the technology is so new to market. Forrester Research, the Cambridge, Mass., consulting firm, estimates that by the end of this year some four million households will have hand-held personal digital assistants with Internet connections. And there are already at least a million cell phone users with similar capabilities. "We have 720,000 wireless Web users today at Sprint PCS alone," said Dan Wilinsky, a Sprint spokesman. These devices are expected to become far more common over the next few years, of course Forrester expects more than 55 million phones and personal digital assistants to be in use by 2005. Still, for every consumer and company that is jumping headfirst into mobile services, thousands more have held back, skeptical of the real power of m- commerce at least for now. Try for access to Wal-Mart.com or Macys.com through your phone and gobbledygook comes up. "Most moms at work or driving in the minivan are not interested in using their wireless P.D.A.'s to order their Christmas gifts," said Gary Gerdemann, a spokesman for eToys Inc. Matt Hyde, chief executive of a highly successful sportswear and outdoor gear site, REI.com, agreed. "The trouble with wireless is that you can really deliver only snippets of information," he said. "That will work well with commodity items or weather, but the way the devices are now we don't feel great about their use." Retailers offering services readily concede that this holiday season is not about mass behavior but about setting the trends for the future, much like the early years of the Internet in 1995 or so. Not surprisingly, some of the trailblazers in Internet commerce, particularly sellers of commodities like books and music, are breathlessly clearing the brush, fully expecting that the pack will soon follow into the m-commerce wilderness. "Globally, more people will access the Internet through their cell phone than through the personal computer," said Ali Hussein, director of marketing and business development for Amazon.com, which has one-click shopping available through Web-enabled devices. "We believe it is the second revolution and we are forging ahead on that basis." For now, actual buying of goods by wireless device is still the spottiest form of m-commerce. It can take several minutes to download each new page, and there is only a tiny screen to view products. In addition, even though consumers seem relatively comfortable sending credit card information over the Web through their personal computers, they may still have security concerns about sending credit card numbers over their pagers. So not surprisingly, the most popular m-commerce applications so far seem to be those that can be downloaded into a wireless device and then used on the go. Take Vindigo, the location finder. Users in any of 14 United States cities simply tell their machines at what intersection they are standing, and Vindigo will list nearby restaurants (with Zagat reviews), shops and entertainment. Users can sort by numerous categories, including distance, store type and strength of restaurant rating. Sarah Dwyer, a technology trainer for PaineWebber, the brokerage firm, in Bethesda, Md., uses Vindigo on her frequent visits to New York. Last month, she was in Manhattan after a business meeting when she decided to look for the newest Bridget Jones novel. She typed her coordinates into her hand-held personal organizer, which found a bookstore nearby. "I never would have found the bookstore," she said. "Even though it was a block and a half away, I was walking in the other direction." Although simple works best with most current wireless phones, dozens of Web sites offer nearly their full complement of shopping services already. Wireless visitors to mobile.bn.com, the wireless arm of Barnes & Noble, can use Web-connected cell phones for all the book and music shopping they can do at their personal computers, including ordering out-of-print books, sending e-greeting cards and downloading brief music clips. Robert Albert, the company's vice president for wireless and business development, concedes that current technology is not as easy to maneuver as it should be but says shoppers are getting through anyway. "We are already acquiring new customers through this medium," he said, "and we have great expectations." The New York Times on the Web http://www.nytimes.com /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ HOW TO ADVERTISE - --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2000 The New York Times Company - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 2000 04:12:26 -0500 From: Thomas Tonino Subject: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns Ed Ellers wrote: > At least some GSM phones are *already* equipped with a transponder feature > that measures the distance to the cell site in use. (Some of the "hack" > sites give a code to access this information on some Motorola phones.) This is needed in the GSM system: to transmit at the correct time in the time slot the base station is time ranged in 550 meter increments (say 1500 feet). To find a position the phone would have to be kicked twice from the tower it was on to a different tower. Thomas - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 2000 05:06:47 -0500 From: John Nagle Subject: Re: Recherche Infos Minitel Minitel is a system run by France Telecom, operational since about 1980. Displays are dumb monochrome terminals with limited line-drawing graphics capability and 1200 baud modems. The system was deployed as a replacement for telephone directories, but offered many other services, most of which had substantial per-minute charges. France Telecom actually deployed Minitel in the US in the early 1990s, and dial-in ports were available in most US cities. Few people subscribed. In the same period, a company called "101 Online" tried to deploy a US system using Minitel terminals. It was unsuccessful. Minitel emulators for PCs exist. See http://www.telestore.fr/vtxplug.shtml The graphics protocol is similar to NAPLPS. John Nagle Ryan Shook wrote: > > I am unable to provide the needed information but I can translate into > English so hopefully others can help. > Je n'ai pas l'info que vous cherchez mais cette traduction en Anglais peut > etre permis les autres d'avoir une chance. > -Ryan > > Translation of original message in English: I am desperately searching for > all sorts of information (especially technical) on the Minitel or the > I-Minitel. If you find or know this information even on tarification or > services I would be willing to purchase it. > (Philippe) > PS I already looked on www.i-minitel.com > > On 9 Nov 2000, Philippe Buhr wrote: > > > Je recherche désespérément toutes sortes d'info sur le Minitel (techniques > > en particulier) ou le I-Minitel. Si vous savez où trouver des telles infos, > > ou même sur la tarification ou les services, je suis preneur. > > Merci d'avance > > > > Philippe > > > > PS : j'ai déjà regardé sur www.i-minitel.com > > -- > > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > > > > > > -- > Ryan Shook Mechanical Engineering | Amateur (HAM) Radio Lic.:VE3 TKD > RJShook@uwaterloo.ca | http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/students/rjshook/ > How smart is it to piss off a state that's legalized killing people? > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #123 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Mon Nov 13 06:19:05 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA19911 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 06:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19875 invoked by uid 85); 13 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 19796 invoked by uid 85); 13 Nov 2000 06:15:09 -0500 Date: 13 Nov 2000 06:15:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20001113111509.19795.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #124 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Monday, November 13 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 124 In this issue: Pac Bell Hell BELLSOUTH 6120 telephone Caller ID ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Nov 2000 22:55:31 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Pac Bell Hell Pac Bell Hell By Jim Louderback November 7, 2000 The moment I got my DSL line, I was in heaven. How quickly relationships change, though. I went from bliss to breakup in six short months. Here's how quickly happiness can disappear in the age of broadband. For the first five months, my DSL line worked great. Always on, always connected, and at a speed even faster than the Internet connection in the office. But if you already have -- or are considering -- DSL or another broadband service, read on. My cautionary tale should give you pause. Gradually, my service started to degrade. I noticed that sites were coming up more slowly during peak hours, at night, and on the weekends. Still, it was far better than dial-up. http://www.techtv.com/freshgear/commentary/story/0,3679,3009636,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 2000 02:49:16 -0500 From: RaduGriza@netscape.net Subject: BELLSOUTH 6120 telephone Hi, I am Radu from Romania. I have an telephone BELLSOUTH model 6120 with caler ID and callwaiting services. How I find User Guide for this telephone ? My e-mail adresses are : grizaradu@hotmail.com or radugriza@netscape.net With best regards, Radu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 2000 06:02:05 -0500 From: Praveen Rao Subject: Caller ID Hi Dennis, Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was quite broad in my request. It is a PABX with analogue and ISDN BRI and PRI support. But we are mainly concerned with Analogue caller ID. This is between the exchange and the PABX, receiving CLI from the exchange on incoming calls. In the mean time I found this web site which is quite good. http://www.ainslie.org.uk/callerid/cli_faq.htm#Q_6 I understand these documents SINs 227 and 242; are the ones to be referred. A confirmation from you will be good. We were after Saudi Arabia aswell where we were told they use DTMF for Caller ID and were asked to refer ITU-T Q.23. But I find Q.23 is for push button phones, nothing to do with Caller IDs. Thanks again for your kind help Praveen Rao - -----Original Message----- From: Denis Mcmahon [mailto:denisf@pickaxe.demon.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2000 12:59 AM To: editor@telecom-digest.org Subject: Re: Caller ID On 9 Nov 2000 21:58:07 -0500, Praveen Rao wrote: >I believe British Telecom use DTMF for Caller ID signalling. We have a PABX >to configure for BT. >Any info on this subject, standards applicable and where to obtain will be >greatly appreciated. Nope, BT use FSK before the first ring pulse for Caller ID signalling to the subscriber, DTMF is for dialling. If this is a PABX, is this passing CLI onwards to the extensions you are talking about, or signalling extension numbers to the exchange for type 3 CLI, or what. The requirement doesn't make total sense at the moment: Is it an ISDN, ISDNE, DASS, DASS2, DPNSS or Analogue interface to the exchange? Are you talking about receiving CLI from the exchange on incoming calls (and sending this on to the extensions for DDI calls), or supplying callers extension number to the exchange on outgoing calls (for CLI presentation of callers DDI number to called party). Rgds Denis - -- Denis McMahon Usenet: Trim quotes Mobile: +44 7802 468949 Reply at the end Email: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk Don't use html I trim ng when posting! Email domain blocking in use - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #124 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Tue Nov 14 06:20:07 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA24250 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10854 invoked by uid 85); 14 Nov 2000 06:15:11 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 10831 invoked by uid 85); 14 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Date: 14 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20001114111510.10830.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #125 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Tuesday, November 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 125 In this issue: Call Fwd No Answer Are you afraid of the Internet? Frame relay delays create nightmare for two Mass. firms Telecom Update (Canada) #258, November 13, 2000 Bizfon pros & cons Two questions.. 11/13/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Nov 2000 09:13:12 -0500 From: MARK BRYAN Subject: Call Fwd No Answer In my last post, I indicated a problem with Verizon on their service call forwarding no answer. It seemed to me that if the call had a caller ID packet the call forward would fail, but PBX type calls with no ID would process without issues. Over the weekend I found 2 more items that should be of interest. 1.) it was not the ID itself, but the name display function of caller id. 2.) if the call was forwarded to Alltel Wireless(former GTE Wireless location) instead of BellSouth(my normal provider), there were no issues at all. I should still have a ticket open as the problem is unresolved. I am on a GTD5 CO, from an RSU location. If I set all calls forwarding(72#,xxx-xxxx) it works fine. The tech in the CO disabled the name display temporarily then it worked fine. So at the moment I either have to do without the No answer forwarding or eliminate the name display, both are not good choices. So I am temporarily using all calls forwarding. Has anyone ran into this else where? The symptom is after 4 rings at the number you go to dead air or a fast busy. Feedback would be very welcome. Thanks. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 2000 09:19:29 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Are you afraid of the Internet? Are you afraid of the Internet? By Patricia Jacobus Staff Writer, CNET News.com November 12, 2000, 9:00 p.m. PT Americans are deeply concerned about their personal information leaking out on the most public arena--the Internet--a study scheduled for release Monday shows. In telephone interviews with 1,008 adults, Gallup Poll News Service found that more than half worried about privacy on the Internet. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-3650219.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 2000 11:38:34 -0500 From: Adam Gaffin Subject: Frame relay delays create nightmare for two Mass. firms By MICHAEL MARTIN Network World, 11/13/00 Imagine being responsible for a global frame relay network that's crucial to your company's sales and support operations. Now imagine your company decides to move to new headquarters, not too far away, within the same state. You call your frame relay provider's sales representative, arrange for a line into the new building and go back to work. Now imagine a few months later, with the move complete, you find out your frame line won't be going in for almost another year. Ryan Buckley, manager of network services for industrial automation software manufacturer Intellution of Foxborough, Mass., doesn't have to imagine this nightmare scenario - he's living it, thanks to a shortage of fiber routes between some Verizon central offices in Massachusetts. And he's not alone. At least one other business in the Boston area is experiencing a months-long wait for frame relay provisioning, and an AT&T spokesman says several AT&T Massachusetts customers have had trouble getting timely service from Verizon. http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/1113verizon.html Adam Gaffin Executive Editor, Network World Fusion agaffin@nww.com / (508) 490-6433 "I programmed my robotic dog to bite the guy who delivers the electronic mail." -- Kibo - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 2000 11:55:02 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #258, November 13, 2000 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 258: November 13, 2000 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Another Hoax -- 809 E-Mail Warnings ** Ottawa Okays New Satellites ** Sprint Expands Data Services ** Telus Chief Plans Executive Shuffle ** PCS Auction Applications Due This Week ** Aliant to Combine Provincial Units ** Comment Sought on Three-Digit Dialing ** Bell Continues Fight Against Pay Equity ** Cannect Offers Business ADSL ** BCE to Buy Back Shares ** Lucent and Clearnet in Wireless Trial ** Locus Dialogue Finds Buyer ** BT Dividing Up ** Cisco Buys Unified Messaging Company ** GT Expands in Quebec ** Telesat Upgrades Bell Satellite Phones ** Financial Reports 360networks Teleglobe Cisco Mitel ** After Y2K -- What's on the Agenda Now? ============================================================ ANOTHER HOAX -- 809 E-MAIL WARNINGS: A number of readers have written to ask about published reports and spam e-mails warning people not to return calls from the 809 Area Code. Some versions of the warning say that charges for such calls can be as high as $25,000 a minute. ** This is a hoax. Bell Canada Security tells us they have no reports of any such incidents. We urge readers not to forward these messages to others. OTTAWA OKAYS NEW SATELLITES: Industry Canada has approved proposals from Telesat, ExpressVu, and Star Choice for new Direct Broadcast Satellites, and has announced plans to license another satellite with the ability to provide telecom services throughout Canada. SPRINT EXPANDS DATA SERVICES: Sprint Canada has expanded its Data and Managed Services portfolio to provide "more flexible and scalable" ATM-based services and enhanced frame relay. TELUS CHIEF PLANS EXECUTIVE SHUFFLE: According to the Toronto Star, Telus CEO Darren Entwistle says the telco will announce a reorganization within two weeks that will include replacement of two-thirds of Telus's senior managers. ** Telus has named George Cope President and CEO of Telus Mobility. Cope headed Clearnet prior to its acquisition by Telus last month. PCS AUCTION APPLICATIONS DUE THIS WEEK: Prospective bidders in the upcoming PCS auction must file their applications by 5 pm, November 14, along with financial deposits corresponding to the amount of spectrum each wants to qualify for. Allowable deposits range from $50,000 to $244.9 Million. ** Industry Canada has now specified the six new spectrum blocks in Alberta, British Columbia, and Eastern Quebec that have been added to the auction (see Telecom Update #256). http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf02076e.html ALIANT TO COMBINE PROVINCIAL UNITS: Aliant Telecom has decided to amalgamate its NBTel, NewTel, Island Tel, and Maritime Tel & Tel subsidiaries by January 1, 2001. Aliant will continue to use the four provincial brand names. COMMENT SOUGHT ON THREE-DIGIT DIALING: CRTC PN 2000-151 asks for comment on assigning unused three-digit access codes (211, 311, 811, and 511), and on applications by the United Way and the Canadian National Institute for the Blind to designate such codes for their services. To participate, notify the CRTC by November 29. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Notices/2000/PT2000-151.htm BELL CONTINUES FIGHT AGAINST PAY EQUITY: Bell Canada's lawyers have won another round in the company's long running fight to avoid compensating 22,000 female employees who were paid less than men in similar jobs. The Federal Court has ruled that the Human Rights Tribunal, which is trying to hear the case, is not an "institutionally independent and impartial body." The Human Rights Commission is appealing. CANNECT OFFERS BUSINESS ADSL: Cannect Communications now offers ADSL service with download speeds between 1.2 Mbps and 6 Mbps in Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, and Ottawa. BCE TO BUY BACK SHARES: BCE plans over the next year to buy back up to 5% of its common shares (worth about $1.6 Billion at current prices). LUCENT AND CLEARNET IN WIRELESS TRIAL: Lucent Technologies and Clearnet Communications are organizing a market trial of location-based wireless services that will find a nearby banking machine, report on local traffic conditions, or search the Sympatico-Lycos Yellow Pages directory for businesses of a given type within 2, 4, 6, or 8 kilometres. LOCUS DIALOGUE FINDS BUYER: Montreal-based Locus Dialogue, a speech recognition developer, has been purchased for more than $150 Million by InfoSpace of Bellevue, Washington. BT DIVIDING UP: British Telecom says it will spin off its network operations and take its wireless, directory, and international broadband subsidiaries public, and will focus its activities more tightly on Western Europe and Japan. ** Some analysts have speculated that this may lead BT to sell its stake in AT&T Canada and Rogers AT&T Wireless. CISCO BUYS UNIFIED MESSAGING COMPANY: Cisco has agreed to buy Seattle-based Active Voice Corp, which supplies IP-based unified messaging, for about US$266 Million in stock. GT EXPANDS IN QUEBEC: Group Telecom has installed 60 kilometers of fibre cable in Quebec City and is now offering services there. TELESAT UPGRADES BELL SATELLITE PHONES: Telesat has integrated SS7 signaling into its satellite phone service, giving Bell Canada satellite phone users access to services such as call display and call screening. FINANCIAL REPORTS: ** 360networks reports third-quarter revenue of $119 Million, up 7% from last year; sales for the first three quarters increased 50%. EBITDA rose 19% to $31 Million. Net income was $2 Million, excluding $53 Million in stock paid to executives. ** Teleglobe, now wholly owned by BCE, had third-quarter sales of US$339 Million, down 5.6% from last year but up 6% from the previous quarter. EBITDA was $12 Million, compared to $50 Million last year. Excel's sales, reported separately, fell 6.6% on the quarter and 26% on the year. BCE did not announce profit/loss figures. ** Cisco Systems sales for the quarter ended October 28 were US$6.52 Billion, up 66% from last year. Profits (excluding one-time items) rose 67% to US$1.36 Billion. ** Mitel sales for the quarter ended September 29 reached $360 Million, up 3% from last year; adjusted net income rose 10% to $30.5 Million. Semiconductor sales were up 39% over last year; communications systems revenue increased over the previous quarter but was down 21% on the year. AFTER Y2K -- WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA NOW? In Telemanagement #180, available this week, a panel of 10 Canadian IT and telecom directors discuss their projects and concerns for 2001. Also in the November-December issue of Telemanagement: ** Michael Sone analyzes the exploding market for datacom in "Data Communications: Faster and Cheaper" ** Lis and Ian Angus interview Bill Linton, new CEO of Sprint Canada To subscribe to Telemanagement, and receive the 24 bonus reports in "Tips, Tricks and Traps," call 1-800-263-4415 ext 225 or order online at http://www.angustel.ca. ============================================================ HOW TO SUBMIT ITEMS FOR TELECOM UPDATE E-MAIL: editors@angustel.ca FAX: 905-686-2655 MAIL: TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement Group 8 Old Kingston Road Ajax, Ontario Canada L1T 2Z7 =========================================================== HOW TO SUBSCRIBE (OR UNSUBSCRIBE) TELECOM UPDATE is provided in electronic form only. There are two formats available: 1. The fully-formatted edition is posted on the World Wide Web on the first business day of the week at http://www.angustel.ca 2. The e-mail edition is distributed free of charge. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ============================================================ JOHN RIDDELL jriddell@angustel.ca Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca 8 Old Kingston Road Tel: 905-686-5050 x226 Ajax Ontario L1T 2Z7 Canada Fax: 905-686-2655 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:23:27 -0500 From: "David Garner" Subject: Bizfon pros & cons Does anyone own a Bizfon phone system? If so can you tell me of any problems with it. Thanks, Dave Garner - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 2000 23:52:40 -0500 From: nicholsrn@mindspring.com Subject: Two questions.. Does anyone know of a quick way to tell if there is activity on a line? Like being able to tell if someone is on it? Nothing complex, just like an LED or something.. 2nd, does anyone know of some pages to read about the 66 blocks? Like how to punch down multiple jacks to one line without taking a single wire down the block.. thanks ryan nichols - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:09:21 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 11/13/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* Have you been to http://ICBclassifieds.com lately? 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Also, "no foreign government owns its ccTLD or can order ICANN or the Department of Commerce to take any actions with respect to a ccTLD." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4757 P - ICANN DRAFTS IMPLICIT THREAT AGAINST ccTLD's To assist us in determining whether to enter a contract with the ccTLD manager for your country and in formulating appropriate contract terms, we would appreciate to learn from you whether your government or public authority is satisfied with the current ccTLD manager. Also, please let us know your intentions concerning the implementation of the ICANN-GAC principles. In the event that your delegation is the subject of a dispute, ICANN does not intend to enter into a contract with a ccTLD manager until an agreeable resolution has been achieved. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4752 P - EMPTY POCKETS REVEAL THE TRANSIENT REIGN OF EMPEROR ICANN Independent Auditors' Report: We were unable to obtain sufficient verifiable evidence supporting certain Country Code Top Level Domain (ccTLD) accounts receivable totaling $1,355,000 at June 30, 2000 or the related registry fee revenue, which is included in the change in net assets for the year then ended as described in note 2 to the financial statements; nor were we able to satisfy ourselves as to the adequacy of the allowance for doubtful accounts related to these receivables. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4754 P - ICANN GOES BEGGING (BADLY) FOR BUCKS There is no reason why ICANN, which is doing a fixed amount of work, should get a variable rate or return via what is essentially an override on the gross business, not even the gross revenue, of the TLD operator. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4758 F - PUBLIC INTEREST GROUPS URGE ICANN TO KEEP ITS WORD "When ICANN was in serious trouble in 1998 and 1999, they promised open elections for all" said Mikki Barry, President of the Domain Name Rights Coalition. "The Internet Community relied on their word. But once Congress and Commerce seemed satisfied and NSI was brought into the fold, ICANN began a full reversal of their original stance." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4755 F - 1-800 CONTACTS IS EARNST & YOUNG ENTREPRENEUR OF THE YEAR 1-800 CONTACTS, the largest direct-to-consumer contact lens seller in the world, is one of the best examples of a business that went against established industry norms to provide a significant advantage to consumers. 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #125 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Wed Nov 15 06:20:21 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA27390 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 06:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23276 invoked by uid 85); 15 Nov 2000 06:15:19 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 23167 invoked by uid 85); 15 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Date: 15 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Message-ID: <20001115111512.23166.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #126 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Wednesday, November 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 126 In this issue: 809 E-MAIL WARNINGS AT&T Partner Mail Re: Telecom Update (Canada) #258, November 13, 2000 Re: BELLSOUTH 6120 telephone Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns A newbie question about two-way paging Party Lines Re: Two questions.. 11/14/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Two questions.. Re: Call Forwarding Issue Re: Party Lines Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Nov 2000 07:45:06 -0500 From: Fred Atkinson Subject: 809 E-MAIL WARNINGS On reading the comment below, I respond accordingly. While I was working for a major paging company, I was aware of this kind of hoax going on. In fact, it came to my pager a few times. Once, I was able to have the orginating number traced. It turned out to be a pay phone. When I tried to call that pay phone, I got a modem (which indicated that it was one of those pay phones that belonged to a third party company, from which they dialed into the modem to download billing or check it for problems). While I never heard of the billing being as high as $25K, there were some costly charges from time to time. I would be suspicious of any strange numbers (especially those out in the Atlantic Ocean) I received. Fred >============================================================ > >ANOTHER HOAX -- 809 E-MAIL WARNINGS: A number of readers >have written to ask about published reports and spam e-mails >warning people not to return calls from the 809 Area Code. >Some versions of the warning say that charges for such calls >can be as high as $25,000 a minute. > >** This is a hoax. Bell Canada Security tells us they have > no reports of any such incidents. We urge readers not to > forward these messages to others. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 2000 08:26:01 -0500 From: BLW1540@aol.com Subject: AT&T Partner Mail Is anyone here intimately familiar with AT&T/Lucent Partner Mail hardware and software from 1993? The small inner city nonprofit with which I'm associated was recently given an AT&T Partner II phone system with Partner Mail. On opening up the Partner Mail box, I found a 286 motherboard with 80 meg IDE hard drive (immediately enlightening me with respect to the unlabeled DB and other connectors I'd seen on the side), no video. I set the MB jumper to VGA, dropped in a VGA card, connected a monitor and keyboard, and fired it up. The last thing I saw was a reference to CCPM.SYS before the display went psychedelic, so I plugged in a 3.5" HD floppy drive and booted with DR DOS 5.0, of which I happened to have a copy on hand, only to have it not find the hard drive. Its Fdisk says the drive's a CP/M drive. My interest in getting into the thing's to be able to back up the software and maybe even transfer it from the old Conner 80 meg drive to something newer and larger, so ... What's the OS? Is it CP/M, as DR DOS' Fdisk suggests, or something else? Might it be Concurrent DOS, as my internet research into CCPM.SYS suggests? Is there a way to boot this thing from a floppy, after which I may be able to get the software off the old hard drive, etc.? Do I need to find a mono video card and monitor if I want to see what's happening? Nitty gritty details: Partner Mail, Comcode 406725978 M/N PM02 MFG 1/93 Software Rev 1.52 Firmware (c) BTI V.1.71 11/19/93 Quadtel SCAT 286 BIOS Ver 3.06.01 Conner CP30084E HDD Bruce Wilson - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 2000 11:19:47 -0500 From: Carl Moore Subject: Re: Telecom Update (Canada) #258, November 13, 2000 Included is: >** Another Hoax -- 809 E-Mail Warnings How does such hoax compare to what went on before 1995? After the area codes generalized from N0X/N1X to N[0-8]X as of Jan. 1995, 809 split numerous ways so that each country which had been part of 809 got its own area code (the Dominican Republic, NOT to be confused with Dominica, stayed in 809). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 2000 14:05:56 -0500 From: Herb Sutherland Subject: Re: BELLSOUTH 6120 telephone > Hi, > > I am Radu from Romania. I have an telephone BELLSOUTH model 6120 >with >caler ID and callwaiting services. > How I find User Guide for this telephone ? Hi Radu! Try http://www.thephoneoutlet.com/digital/inst_nokia6120.html Herb ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 2000 15:23:20 -0500 From: Denis Mcmahon Subject: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns On 11 Nov 2000 08:15:47 -0500, Massimiliano Scagliarini wrote: >if you want to >know my exact location, the phone must be equipped with some GPS-like >device that won't be useful anyway when you are inside buildings, because >GPS needs to "see" its satellites. However, you can usually see a sat up to the entrance of the building if on foot, or entrance to tunnel or other structure in a vehicle, and if the phone remembers and sends it's last known location with an emergency call, then you will probably get to the right building. Even if the building covers a whole city block, the gps location of the entrance you used is probably a good starting place to find you. Rgds Denis - -- Denis McMahon Usenet: Trim quotes Mobile: +44 7802 468949 Reply at the end Email: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk Don't use html I trim ng when posting! Email domain blocking in use - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 2000 18:07:34 -0500 From: tongtao_98@yahoo.com (Tao Tong) Subject: A newbie question about two-way paging Hi, Suppose I have a two-way pager from one carrier, can I send alphanumeric pages to pagers from other carriers? I mean directly, not through emails. Is it a general feature or just a few carriers let you do that? Thanks. Tao - -- Tao Tong 1327 E15th Street, 2nd Floor Brooklyn, NY 11230 http://www.geocities.com/tongtao_98/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 2000 18:57:14 -0500 From: Marilyn Subject: Party Lines Patrick: First, let me apologise for bothering you with this, but I have no idea where to get this information and you and your subscribers seemed like the best place to start. I am certain that, as a child, we had a party line of 28 homes, 14 of which actually rang into our house but all of whom we could eavesdrop on (There were feuds that started over stolen recipes for the strawberry social that persist to this day!). My younger brother does not believe me, as he came along just about when we (way out in the country folks) moved to dial phones I think. I know we had a crank phone for most of my younger years. Can you or anyone you could think of to forward this to, give me any information, somewhere to go and ask, another site which might have info? I would so appreciate it. I have been to our local Bell office and gotten nothing more helpful than the URL for their telephone history site, which is quite useless for my purpose. If it makes a difference, the location was a now non-exsistant place called Byron, which was just south of London Ontario Canada. Thank you, Patrick for anything you know, or anything you can point me to. marilyn timex@pathcom.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 2000 21:12:01 -0500 From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: Two questions.. On 13 Nov 2000 23:52:40 -0500, nicholsrn@mindspring.com wrote: >Does anyone know of a quick way to tell if there is activity on a >line? Like being able to tell if someone is on it? Nothing complex, >just like an LED or something.. ITW Linx and Siemon make STA-2 type devices that clip on a 66 block terminal and give you a current indication of a line in use. Crest Industries used to make a device that plugs into an RJ-11 jack and shows on-hook or off-hook status. I think I still have about 4 of them in my warehouse. >2nd, does anyone know of some pages to read about the 66 blocks? Like >how to punch down multiple jacks to one line without taking a single >wire down the block.. Teleconnect magazine ran an article about terminating 66 blocks about a year ago. You might to a web search www.teleconnect.com or something for back issues. The purpose of putting individual wires on a 66 block is for that reason. You can always put a second 66 block in an run jumpers..... I usually do residential jobs with a 66 block, terminate the jacks on one side and the line on the other and loop the line across from the pins I need and use bridge clips. It tends to take up a lot of real estate if the guy has 17 jacks :-) Carl Navarro > >thanks >ryan nichols - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4761 ***************************************************************** ******** ABOUT ICB ICB HeadsUp Headlines Daily Email is sent by request. Subscriptions to Daily Email are free to qualified applicants. Visit http://www.icbtollfree.com/reg.cfm?NextURL=Index.cfm to sign up. Please feel free to pass along a copy to a friend, within reason so long as the message is not modified or used unfavorably. 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No Caller ID box I've seen will work through two of these, and all of the recent (last 2 years or so) Caller ID boxes I've seen will garble data even if there's only one of these on the line. While you can wire standalone display boxes in front of the gizmo, if you have a Caller-ID-aware phone system, you're stuck. Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com terry@tmk.com Jersey City, NJ USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 2000 23:31:52 -0500 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Subject: Re: Call Forwarding Issue Don't forward your cell phone back to you home line! MARK BRYAN wrote: > > Any suggestions? Thanks. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 2000 23:31:53 -0500 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Subject: Re: Party Lines Marilyn, I personally hooked up (well, did translations for) 10-party party lines. That's as far as we went on DMS-100 equipment in Canada. Party lines were (and in some places still are) quite popular in Northern Ontario. Many people had party lines at the cabin ('cause you could get them for $3-5/mo. for a line you only used in the summer). I recall party line arrangements with more subscribers than 10, but we never hooked up more than that in Alberta. I'm sure that there is plenty of people on this list that could not only tell you how many were maximum, how many were in the London area, but the color coding on the cable as well!!! Good luck! - --Brian Marilyn wrote: > Patrick: > First, let me apologise for bothering you with this, but I have no idea > where to get this information and you and your subscribers seemed like > the best place to start. > I am certain that, as a child, we had a party line of 28 homes, 14 of > which actually rang into our house but all of whom we could eavesdrop on > (There were feuds that started over stolen recipes for the strawberry > social that persist to this day!). My younger brother does not believe > me, as he came along just about when we (way out in the country folks) > moved to dial phones I think. I know we had a crank phone for most of > my younger years. > Can you or anyone you could think of to forward this to, give me any > information, somewhere to go and ask, another site which might have > info? I would so appreciate it. I have been to our local Bell office > and gotten nothing more helpful than the URL for their telephone history > site, which is quite useless for my purpose. > If it makes a difference, the location was a now non-exsistant place > called Byron, which was just south of London Ontario Canada. > Thank you, Patrick for anything you know, or anything you can point me > to. > marilyn > timex@pathcom.com > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Nov 2000 02:03:58 -0500 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns In article , Denis Mcmahon wrote: >Even if the building covers a whole city block, the gps location of >the entrance you used is probably a good starting place to find you. Unless the ``building'' is a subway/metro/tube station.... - -GAWollman - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #126 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Thu Nov 16 06:19:01 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA29479 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22944 invoked by uid 85); 16 Nov 2000 06:15:19 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 22862 invoked by uid 85); 16 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Date: 16 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20001116111510.22861.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #127 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Thursday, November 16 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 127 In this issue: Free RFP Template for Communications Rating Systems Re: Party Lines rcdd Re: AT&T Partner Mail Re: Party Lines Boost for unmetered UK Web access Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Nov 2000 09:50:58 -0500 From: "Carl Wright" Subject: Free RFP Template for Communications Rating Systems For those evaluating their rating systems or preparing a Request For Proposal (RFP) for a rating or billing system, Service Level Corporation has posted an exhaustive list of questions covering the functionality of a rating system. The RFP Template includes more than seven hundred questions running more than forty pages. The document is available in either HTML or MS Word document formats. Service Level Corporation releases the document without copyright restrictions on its use. You can find it at http://www.servicelevel.net/rating_matters/matterslist.htm . Regards, Carl Wright Service Level Corporation wright@servicelevel.net +1 734-827-2000(voice) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Nov 2000 19:22:28 -0500 From: "Gail M. Hall" Subject: Re: Party Lines On 14 Nov 2000 23:31:53 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom, you ("Brian F. G. Bidulock" ) wrote: >Marilyn, > >I personally hooked up (well, did translations for) 10-party >party lines. That's as far as we went on DMS-100 equipment >in Canada. Party lines were (and in some places still are) >quite popular in Northern Ontario. Many people had party >lines at the cabin ('cause you could get them for $3-5/mo. >for a line you only used in the summer). I recall party line >arrangements with more subscribers than 10, but we never >hooked up more than that in Alberta. I don't know anything *technical* about those old party lines, but I sure do remember them! When I was a child in Oregon in the 1940s and early 1950s, we lived out in the country and we were on a party line with quite a lot of people. At first they had what was called a "farmers" line. Our number was something like 17F25 and another time 17FX. The 17 was the number assigned to the line, the F meant "farmers" and the last part told people what "ring" you had. X meant 2 longs. A 2 meant 2 shorts. One ring, long or short, was reserved for the operator, which we called "central." I can remember having 2 shorts and a long as our ring, but other times our ring was 2 longs, and later it was 2 shorts. I don't know why our ring was changed. Some time in the 1940s they dropped the F from our number, and I think the phone company maintained the line after that. I don't know if that was because of the war and the need to maintain the line for calling in airplane information. Citizens worked on what they called "post" (might have been a more official term, but I was just a kid and heard them call it "post"). People doing "post" had to call central whenever they saw or even heard an airplane. Our "post" was in a little building near the one-room school. People had 24-hour shifts, so there was a bed, table, etc. They had a big book with diagrams of planes. Anyway, if the phone line was down, they had to write down all the information in a book. So apparently there was a need for better phone service because of the need to call in those reports. So instead of 17F25, the phone number would be just 1725. Instead of 17FX, the number would be 17X. When we had the crank phones, you had to have the earpiece on hook to crank the phone, or just hold the hook down while you cranked. You would crank the phone for the specific ring if you were calling someone on your own line and then put the earpiece to your ear to see if someone answered. If they didn't answer, then you would push the earpiece holder (hook) down and crank again. A person needed pretty good strength and sense of purpose to do a dencent job of cranking the phone, but any normal kid could learn to do it with practice. If you were calling someone on a different line, such as someone who lived in town, you would call "central" by cranking one good ring and when she asked for the number, you would give her the number and she would ring it for you. When we had the crank phones, we could hear all the rings on our party line. When I was in high school, the phone company came out and put "modern" phones in and took the old crank phones away. Instead of a crank phone on the wall, we had a desk phone. By modern, I meant that this looked like what we call a modern phone. At first the dial was covered up. We had to ask the operator to ring all the numbers. But if you were calling someone on your own line, you had to hang up while she rang the number because the ring didn't work if you didn't hang up. After it rang (you could hear it normally), you would pick up the receiver and see if they answered. If they didn't, then you would have to ask central to ring it again. I think by that time we could hear only half the rings on our line. This made it hard for us if we wanted to call someone on the half of the line that we couldn't hear because we still had to hang up to let the ring go through but had no way of knowing when the ring was completed. We just had to guess. I think they finally put dialing in that line in the late 1950s. Somewhere in this speriod, all the phone numbers on our line were changed to have 4 digits and didn't reflect the "ring" was had. I was impressed that our phone company, even though they didn't adopt dial capability right away, had that in the long-term plans and provided phones that could be changed easily once the central office was set up for dial. Setting us up for dialing involved the man taking off the cover and doing something else, but I don't really know what. It took only a few mintues. I don't remember people having any big tiffs because of eavesdropping on conversations on our line. But then I was a kid and probably didn't pay much attention. We were warned by parents and others so knew all along that there was a chance that someone might listen in. We knew that there would usually be someone who had the bad habit of doing that. We were also taught by our parents that it was very *bad* and impolite to listen in. In fact, in order to use the phone we had to pick up the receiver, and if we heard people talking, we would gently put it down and wait a while. It was also good manners to try to shorten our conversations if we heard the click of someone picking up the phone. My mother was very concerned that we not talk too long on the phone and keep it fairly short and to the point. If people on a party line shared secret recipes over a line like that and didn't realize they might be listened to, they were being just plain stupid. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Nov 2000 20:32:38 -0500 From: ratt192@aol.com (Ratt192) Subject: rcdd Anyone know of any good study books for the BICSI RCDD exam - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 00:45:07 -0500 From: world!dwolff@uunet.uu.net (David Wolff) Subject: Re: AT&T Partner Mail In article <74.4d5a5e6.27429741@aol.com>, wrote: >Is anyone here intimately familiar with AT&T/Lucent Partner Mail hardware and >software from 1993? Slightly before my time, but... >The small inner city nonprofit with which I'm associated was recently given an >AT&T Partner II phone system with Partner Mail. On opening up the Partner >Mail box, I found a 286 motherboard with 80 meg IDE hard drive (immediately >enlightening me with respect to the unlabeled DB and other connectors I'd seen >on the side), no video. I set the MB jumper to VGA, dropped in a VGA card, >connected a monitor and keyboard, and fired it up. The last thing I saw was >a reference to CCPM.SYS before the display went psychedelic, so I plugged in >a 3.5" HD floppy drive and booted with DR DOS 5.0, of which I happened to >have a copy on hand, only to have it not find the hard drive. Its Fdisk says >the drive's a CP/M drive. > >My interest in getting into the thing's to be able to back up the software and >maybe even transfer it from the old Conner 80 meg drive to something newer >and larger, so ... > >What's the OS? Is it CP/M, as DR DOS' Fdisk suggests, or something else? >Might it be Concurrent DOS, as my internet research into CCPM.SYS suggests? >Is there a way to boot this thing from a floppy, after which I may be able to >get the software off the old hard drive, etc.? Do I need to find a mono >video card and monitor if I want to see what's happening? Either Concurrent DOS or CP/M. If you have a floppy with an appropriate OS, I would guess you could boot from the floppy drive. The software will be compiled Pascal -- not very useful anywhere else. The OS may not even understand a larger hard drive; we eventually formatted 800MB disks to have a 256MB partition and somehow persuaded the OS to understand that much. The rest of the disk was simply unused (since we couldn't get disks *smaller* than 800MB after a while). For a monitor, try a dumb terminal (the dumber the better -- Wyse 60 would be excellent, but there's no real screen control anywhere in the code anyway). >Nitty gritty details: > >Partner Mail, Comcode 406725978 >M/N PM02 >MFG 1/93 >Software Rev 1.52 >Firmware (c) BTI V.1.71 11/19/93 >Quadtel SCAT 286 BIOS Ver 3.06.01 >Conner CP30084E HDD Software Rev 1.52? What a pig. :-) David Wolff Disclaimer: Hey! It's my opinion! Yesclaimer: Esperanto: four times easier to learn. Call (800) ESPERANTO or email info@esperanto-usa.org for free info and free lesson. Witclaimer: Clever but long saying reduced to a microdot -> "." - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 01:21:51 -0500 From: Dave Garland Subject: Re: Party Lines >calling someone on your own line, you had to hang up while she rang the >number because the ring didn't work if you didn't hang up. After it rang >(you could hear it normally), you would pick up the receiver and see if >they answered. Gosh, that brought up a memory bubble. In upstate NY in the '50s, we had dial. IIRC there was a cheat sheet you used to dial people on your own line, dial 2 digits instead of the regular 5-digit number, and then you'd hang up and listen as you describe. >I don't remember people having any big tiffs because of eavesdropping on >conversations on our line. Nor do I. It was "common knowledge" that one person on the line used to listen to conversations. By the early '60s (being a nerd of that period) I had built an extension phone for my room, perhaps one of the first push-button phones (there was a single button that interrupted the circuit... push 5 times with the right rhythm to dial a 5... with a little practice one could actually dial phone numbers right most of the time), and a little transistor amp so that I could listen in when the phone was on-hook. As with scanners today, most of what one overheard was excruciatingly boring. >In fact, in order to use the phone we had to pick up the receiver, and if >we heard people talking, we would gently put it down and wait a while. It >was also good manners to try to shorten our conversations if we heard the >click of someone picking up the phone. Those were our rules, too. They may have even been written up in the preface to the telephone book. And it was a crime not to hang up if someone got on the line and said they had an emergency. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 01:44:28 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Boost for unmetered UK Web access November 14, 2000, 10:13 AM GMT Boost for unmetered UK Web access BT will be required to provide rival ISPs with a flat-rate Net product By Lisa Naylor Oftel, the UK telecom regulator, yesterday announced that it would require British Telecom to provide other operators with a new wholesale flat-rate Internet access product from 1 February 2001. http://www.thestandardeurope.com/article/display/0,1151,12568,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 06:12:18 -0500 From: Denis Mcmahon Subject: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns On 15 Nov 2000 02:03:58 -0500, wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote: >In article , >Denis Mcmahon wrote: >>Even if the building covers a whole city block, the gps location of >>the entrance you used is probably a good starting place to find you. > >Unless the ``building'' is a subway/metro/tube station.... And if you move into a tunnel where the phone won't work, what loss is it's inability to locate itself? Rgds Denis - -- Denis McMahon Usenet: Trim quotes Mobile: +44 7802 468949 Reply at the end Email: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk Don't use html I trim ng when posting! Email domain blocking in use - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #127 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Thu Nov 16 20:15:50 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA21679 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8246 invoked by uid 85); 16 Nov 2000 20:08:39 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 8226 invoked by uid 85); 16 Nov 2000 20:08:36 -0500 Date: 16 Nov 2000 20:08:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20001117010836.8225.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Thursday, November 16 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 128 In this issue: Verizon New Call Intercept Service Re: 809 E-MAIL WARNINGS Re: Party Lines Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns Question cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush Re: Verizon New Call Intercept Service Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Anonymity Objectives Concerning CellPhone Svc... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Nov 2000 08:04:51 -0500 From: "Quinn Michael" Subject: Verizon New Call Intercept Service Nov 15 Washington Post has an ad from Verizon offering a new service called Call Intercept which will automatically reject "private" "unavailable" and "anonymous" calls. Customer Service advises that it will also reject the ubiquitous "out of area" calls that now seem to make up the bulk of evening incoming calls, at least at my house. It allows for a PIN to be provided in case you or your kid is calling home from a pay phone or otherwise blocked phone. Cost is $5 per month over the prerequisite caller ID service, which here in Northern VA is $7.50 per month. Seems like it should be free since they allow the telemarketers to get away with "out of area" calls, but it may be worth it for a little more peace and quiet. Anonymous Call Reject service is still free, but doesn't eliminate the "out of area" calls, of course. Has anyone tried it yet and confirmed that it really works? Mike Quinn - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 11:08:10 -0500 From: tbetz@panix.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Re: 809 E-MAIL WARNINGS >============================================================ > >ANOTHER HOAX -- 809 E-MAIL WARNINGS: A number of readers >have written to ask about published reports and spam e-mails >warning people not to return calls from the 809 Area Code. >Some versions of the warning say that charges for such calls >can be as high as $25,000 a minute. > >** This is a hoax. Bell Canada Security tells us they have > no reports of any such incidents. We urge readers not to > forward these messages to others. Bell Canada Security disagrees with the US Federal Trade Commission on this matter: They also disagree with the US Federal Communcations Commission: It's rather old news, I'm afraid, but still valid information. - -- |I always wanted to be someone,| Tom Betz, Generalist | |but now I think I should have | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: | |been a wee bit more specific. | | | "Fuck NANAE." -- Paul Vixie | YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! | - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 11:33:29 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Party Lines Gail M. Hall wrote: "When I was in high school, the phone company came out and put "modern" phones in and took the old crank phones away. Instead of a crank phone on the wall, we had a desk phone. By modern, I meant that this looked like what we call a modern phone. At first the dial was covered up." More likely, the dial simply wasn't in there, having been replaced by an "apparatus blank" as it was known in telephone parlance. This was cheaper than manufacturing different housings for manual and dial phones, and also allowed your service to be upgraded by having a technician install a dial rather than swapping out the whole phone. (You can see 500-type sets without dials in some episodes of The Andy Griffith Show, although the sheriff's office had 100-type "candlestick" phones.) Now if you had service from an independent phone company that didn't use Western Electric phones, you *could* have had a dial with a cover on top, though I never heard of that setup being used. Even after a given area went to dial service, manual phones were still commonly used behind switchboards or in special locations where outgoing service wasn't wanted -- for example, at a bar (so the bartender won't call his buddies from work). I believe these were available right up until the Bell System breakup in 1984, and possibly from AT&T for a while after that. (Though in this case, they probably had a technician *remove* the dial from the phone.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 12:53:13 -0500 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns In article <1rb71tckd9afu1m531ruiuhkf66pckb9b3@4ax.com>, Denis Mcmahon wrote: >And if you move into a tunnel where the phone won't work, what loss is >it's inability to locate itself? Some transit systems have mobile coverage. - -GAWollman - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 15:02:55 -0500 From: Terry Healey Subject: Question Hi Patrick, I tried to go to your chat room but it was down. Can somebody provide me with a definition of what airwaves are, how they work, how carriers track for monetization, and what creates interference or innaccessibility? I'd really appreciate it. Also, if you know of good sites for definitions related to technology, wireless, etc. that would be great. Whatis.com seems pretty light in terms of breadth of definitions. Thanks so much. - -- Terry Healey 925-937-1543 (phone/fax) mailto:terryh@firstworld.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 2000 04:57:51 GMT From: alt.impeach.bush@george.nu Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush For your newsgroups file: alt.impeach.bush Shrub needs some pruning Charter: No spam! Discussions, flames, and plans about impeaching Dubya Bush from any government office anywhere. Violence, revolutionary behavior, civil disobedience, criminal acts and conspiring to commit any of the above are encouraged. Justification of Readership: Do I have to point this out? alt.politics has quadrupled traffic in the last two weeks because of this imbecile. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 2000 04:57:58 GMT From: alt.impeach.bush@george.nu Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush For your newsgroups file: alt.impeach.bush Shrub needs some pruning Charter: No spam! Discussions, flames, and plans about impeaching Dubya Bush from any government office anywhere. Violence, revolutionary behavior, civil disobedience, criminal acts and conspiring to commit any of the above are encouraged. Justification of Readership: Do I have to point this out? alt.politics has quadrupled traffic in the last two weeks because of this imbecile. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 2000 04:58:18 GMT From: alt.impeach.bush@george.nu Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush For your newsgroups file: alt.impeach.bush Shrub needs some pruning Charter: No spam! Discussions, flames, and plans about impeaching Dubya Bush from any government office anywhere. Violence, revolutionary behavior, civil disobedience, criminal acts and conspiring to commit any of the above are encouraged. Justification of Readership: Do I have to point this out? alt.politics has quadrupled traffic in the last two weeks because of this imbecile. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 2000 04:58:27 GMT From: alt.impeach.bush@george.nu Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush For your newsgroups file: alt.impeach.bush Shrub needs some pruning Charter: No spam! Discussions, flames, and plans about impeaching Dubya Bush from any government office anywhere. Violence, revolutionary behavior, civil disobedience, criminal acts and conspiring to commit any of the above are encouraged. Justification of Readership: Do I have to point this out? alt.politics has quadrupled traffic in the last two weeks because of this imbecile. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 20:00:58 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Verizon New Call Intercept Service One problem with this is that it will reject many (most?) incoming international calls. It will also reject calls from areas where the interconnect either inside the LEC or between the LEC and the IXC is not SS7. I suspect the former is more common than the latter. It may block calls from PBXs, but most of those seem to give non dialable CLIs these days. In short, if you get "out of area" from anybody you want to talk to, you will be cutting them off. If not... I have always thought the best thing would be a bit of CPE that would catch the CLI, answer, causing the caller to be billed for the call, and play a recording saying the call is blocked at their expense, but allow no message. Maybe an interminable message for those machines that listen for the tone, then record theri ad.... On 16 Nov 2000 08:04:51 -0500, "Quinn Michael" wrote: >Nov 15 Washington Post has an ad from Verizon offering a new service >called Call Intercept which will automatically reject "private" >"unavailable" and "anonymous" calls. Customer Service advises that it >will also reject the ubiquitous "out of area" calls that now seem to >make up the bulk of evening incoming calls, at least at my house. It >allows for a PIN to be provided in case you or your kid is calling home >from a pay phone or otherwise blocked phone. Cost is $5 per month over >the prerequisite caller ID service, which here in Northern VA is $7.50 >per month. Seems like it should be free since they allow the >telemarketers to get away with "out of area" calls, but it may be worth >it for a little more peace and quiet. Anonymous Call Reject service is >still free, but doesn't eliminate the "out of area" calls, of course. > >Has anyone tried it yet and confirmed that it really works? > >Mike Quinn - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 20:01:55 -0500 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? So, if a number of us need and want this information, wouldn't it be a hoot if someone put up a website providing a means of input for those of us who may be willing to input certain information from our own area. I, for one, would gladly submit my own area information - both the basic service local calling limitations as well as the ELCA information. If someone is interested in this, I would be willing to participate. Heck, a high percentage of the the information would likely be reliable. The site may generate hits sufficient to attract sponsors who could make it self supporting. Here's my contribution in advance: AC ORIGNTOWN ORIGPREFIX ORIGTELCO TARGETTOWN TARGPREFIX STATUS NOTEWORTHY 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 201 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 202 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Winston Salem 208 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 209 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Burlington 213 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Burlington 214 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 215 ELCA NexTel cellular 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Asheboro 216 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 217 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 218 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Reeds 220 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Burlington 221 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Burlington 222 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Lexington 224 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Lexington 225 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Burlington 226 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Burlington 227 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Burlington 228 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Burlington/Graham 229 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 230 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 231 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 232 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Lexington 236 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North 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High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Winston Salem 414 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Winston Salem 418 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 420 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Madison 427 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 430 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company High Point 431 LOCAL 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Greensboro 433 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company High Point 434 LOCAL 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Madison 445 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Gibsonville 446 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Gibsonville 447 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 North State Telephone Company Gibsonville/Whitsett 449 ELCA 336 High Point, Jamestown 889 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 20:08:32 -0500 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: Anonymity Objectives Concerning CellPhone Svc... I couldn't get the card crammed into my Motorola StarTac. Am I doing something wrong? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 29 Oct 2000 06:40:20 -0500, David Lind wrote: >In article <39fb3734.22713684@nntp.northstate.net>, > MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) wrote: >> Is it possible to go to any cell-phone service with a pocket full >> of money saying "Here is my money. My name is John Doe. >> I wanna buy your cell phone and 20-thousand minutes of >> service and pay in advance. Thank-you, good-bye, C U later"? >> >> Any ideas? > >Go to the local convience store and buy a tracphone or sprint prepaid + cards. >-- >David > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #128 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Fri Nov 17 06:20:51 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA04453 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 06:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25649 invoked by uid 85); 17 Nov 2000 06:15:15 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 25582 invoked by uid 85); 17 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Date: 17 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20001117111510.25581.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #129 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Friday, November 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 129 In this issue: Re: re-dialer or dialed number "editor" Re: logging serial port data Re: NEED AUTOMATIC 2-LINE BRIDGE Re: ANI's cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 Gotta watch those backhoes - QWest hit hard in court 11/16/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 Verizon Buys Price Communications for $2.1B Re: 809 Scam Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 3G Wireless Interim Report Dynamic IP and line teaming for Chat Server? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Nov 2000 20:57:27 -0500 From: "Matthew G. Schmidt" Subject: Re: re-dialer or dialed number "editor" I used to work with such devices back in the mid 80's. They were used by most of the Other Common Carriers (as we called them in those days) to provide a transparent access to the OCC network prior to Feature Group D. Unfortunately, the only one that I can recall the manufacturer for is Mitel. They built an "auto dialer" that supported 4 lines simultaneously. All of the other manufacturers seem to escape my memory, but I will try to hunt down the literature. After FGD access, they quickly fell out of favor here in the states. Michael Grant wrote: > I am looking for a small device which I can program to redirect an > outgoing call or rather "edit" the number being dialed. I'm imagining > a small box that I can plug in a telephone and an external line (or > said otherwise, a box which goes between the telephone and the outside > line). When I pick up the telephone, I get a dial tone. If I were to > dial 0800123456, the box would turn around and dial 0044800123456 for > me on the outside line. It would edit the number by chopping off the > leading 0 and replacing it with 0044. > > Does such a box exist or anyone have any plans on how to simply build > such a box? I tried to search the archives but couldn't really figure > out what to call this sort of thing. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 20:57:28 -0500 From: "Matthew G. Schmidt" Subject: Re: logging serial port data A simple "cheap" way to do this is simply to run Hyperterminal and turn on the capture function. It will log the printable ASCII characters to a file of your choosing. If you need better logging, then you will can actually use VBA in Word to use the MSComm control and write the raw ANSI characters to a file. I didn't test this code in any way shape or form, but it should be relatively close to doing what you want. You really need some type of event to close MSComm1 as well, but you will probably need to create a form with a button on it to do that. Private Sub Main() ' This short Subroutine should handle what you want to do MSComm1.ComPort = 1 MSComm1.Settings = "9600,N,8,1" MSComm1.RThreshHold = 1 ' Check to see if COM port is already open If MSComm1.PortOpen Then MSComm1.PortOpen = False MSComm1.PortOpen = True End Sub Private Sub MSComm1_OnComm () ' varInput - Variant data type collecting data from COM Port Dim varInput as Variant Select Case MSComm1.CommEvent ' Handle each event or error by placing ' code below each case statement ' Errors 'Case comEventBreak ' A Break was received. 'Case comEventFrame ' Framing Error 'Case comEventOverrun ' Data Lost. 'Case comEventRxOver ' Receive buffer overflow. 'Case comEventRxParity ' Parity Error. 'Case comEventTxFull ' Transmit buffer full. 'Case comEventDCB ' Unexpected error retrieving DCB] ' Events 'Case comEvCD ' Change in the CD line. 'Case comEvCTS ' Change in the CTS line. 'Case comEvDSR ' Change in the DSR line. 'Case comEvRing ' Change in the Ring Indicator. Case comEvReceive ' Received RThreshold # of ' chars. ' Open a file for outputting data Open "Test.dat" for Append as #1 ' Copy data incoming data to variable varInput = MSComm1.Input ' Write data to file Write varInput, #1 ' Close the file Close #1 'Case comEvSend ' There are SThreshold number of ' characters in the transmit ' buffer. 'Case comEvEof ' An EOF charater was found in ' the input stream End Select End Sub "Dr. Joseph V. Scuralli" wrote: > Does anyone know of a simple way to log the data from a serial port to a > file? I'm running windows 98 or dos. > I have a stream of data coming out of a serial port on a device that I just > want to log and store in a file, as is. > If you know of a simple way or a simple program please let me know! > Thank you. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 22:04:40 -0500 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: NEED AUTOMATIC 2-LINE BRIDGE Instead of a PIN-based security model, could your unit use a caller-ID string? For example, if it was determined that any call from a specific telephone number was considered a secure transaction. Regards, Mike H xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 31 Oct 2000 17:42:11 -0500, "Paul Cook" wrote: > >Jack Powers >> I'm looking for a device that will answer one line with dial tone >> from a second line and permit calls out on the second line. >> It must hang up the second line when the caller on the first >> one hangs up (determined by silence?). >> >> I believe that sutch gadgets used to be popular for indirect access >> to WATS lines, but I can't find one now. > >Sorry for the delay in responding. This was posted five days ago. > >We still make the 46300 Secured System Access Line, which does >this. Of course you'll need some security, as you don't want just >anyone who stumbles across the number calling in and then >getting unlimited access to the second line. The 46300 provides >this security in a variety of ways, primarily via a PIN, which you >can set anywhere from two to fourteen digits. > >It can also be set up (with an optional internal ring generator) >to ring forward into another device (such as a modem) instead >of seizing another line once the access code is dialed. > >Call or email me for details. > > >Paul Cook - Applications Engineer >pcook@proctorinc.com >425-881-7000, ext 566 > >Proctor & Associates >15305 NE 95 St >Redmond WA 98052-2517 >www.proctorinc.com >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 22:06:59 -0500 From: mgs@it-protect.com (Matthew G. Schmidt) Subject: Re: ANI's What you are really looking for is the Automatic Number Announcement Circuit (ANAC) number. I haven't seen any lately. You used to be able to call 800-MYANIIS, but that hasn't worked in quite some time. Personally, I just call my cell phone. On 11 Nov 2000 04:54:29 -0500, Ryan Nichols wrote: >Maybe I am calling it the wrong thing.. The guy I talked to called them >ANI's.. Its a number that you call and it says 'The Number You Are Calling >From Is ###-####'.. > >Thanks >Ryan Nichols > >Nortec wrote: > >> The ANI's for the 501 area code are 501-NXX-XXXX ;-) >> >> Was there something different you were expecting? >> >> "Ryan Nichols" wrote in message >> news:3A0B9DFE.204205DD@mindspring.com... >> > Does anyone know the ANI's for area code 501? I have the ones for 405, >> > but need the ones for 501 and 918.. Been told that one in 405 will work >> > there, but haven't tried it yet.. >> > >> > Thanks >> > -- >> > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >> > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. >> -- >> The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >> messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 22:49:38 GMT From: alt.impeach.bush@george.nu Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush For your newsgroups file: alt.impeach.bush Shrub needs some pruning Charter: No spam! Discussions, flames, and plans about impeaching Dubya Bush from any government office anywhere. Violence, revolutionary behavior, civil disobedience, criminal acts and conspiring to commit any of the above are encouraged. Justification of Readership: Do I have to point this out? alt.politics has quadrupled traffic in the last two weeks because of this imbecile. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 22:49:47 GMT From: alt.impeach.bush@george.nu Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush For your newsgroups file: alt.impeach.bush Shrub needs some pruning Charter: No spam! Discussions, flames, and plans about impeaching Dubya Bush from any government office anywhere. Violence, revolutionary behavior, civil disobedience, criminal acts and conspiring to commit any of the above are encouraged. Justification of Readership: Do I have to point this out? alt.politics has quadrupled traffic in the last two weeks because of this imbecile. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 22:49:57 GMT From: alt.impeach.bush@george.nu Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush For your newsgroups file: alt.impeach.bush Shrub needs some pruning Charter: No spam! Discussions, flames, and plans about impeaching Dubya Bush from any government office anywhere. Violence, revolutionary behavior, civil disobedience, criminal acts and conspiring to commit any of the above are encouraged. Justification of Readership: Do I have to point this out? alt.politics has quadrupled traffic in the last two weeks because of this imbecile. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 22:50:09 GMT From: alt.impeach.bush@george.nu Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush For your newsgroups file: alt.impeach.bush Shrub needs some pruning Charter: No spam! Discussions, flames, and plans about impeaching Dubya Bush from any government office anywhere. Violence, revolutionary behavior, civil disobedience, criminal acts and conspiring to commit any of the above are encouraged. Justification of Readership: Do I have to point this out? alt.politics has quadrupled traffic in the last two weeks because of this imbecile. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 22:19:54 -0500 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 On 30 Oct 2000 00:56:28 -0500, tknab@nyx.net (Terry Knab) wrote: >Missouri regulators have come up with an overlay idea for the 816 area code. >As reported a few days ago in the KC Star, the plan would call for a second >area code to be added on top of the existing 816. Exactly what does overlaying mean? Does it mean that the same physical area now covered by the existing 816 area code will now have another area code? And, does that imply that the new area code will have a set of exchange prefixes identical to that in the 816 area code? Will callers in the area have to dial 10-digits to specify both the area code and exchange prefix for calls to the same numbers that could previously be dialed using only 7-digits? Regards, Mike H xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [snip] High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 22:19:55 -0500 From: MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvell) Subject: Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 OT... What's the difference between a CLEC and an ILEC? Regards, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On 30 Oct 2000 11:45:19 -0500, johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) wrote: >>1. Since all parts of 816 are NOT local to each other (eg, St. Joe isn't >>local to KC, yet is all 816), how would this overlay affect rate centers? > >Not at all. > >>(Is there any other area code overlay out there that isn't in a 'local' >>calling area?) > >Many, such as the two in Maryland. > >>2. Is conservation really the answer? The areas in 816 with lots of >>numbers not used are in primarily rural communities that use maybe 1-2,000 >>numbers. How would forcing the local telco to give up 5,000 numbers in an >>exchange that isn't local to anyone be useful? Now, if very 816 number were >>a local call, this could just be crazy enough to work. > >The problem is that every CLEC needs numbers in every rate center in >which it plans to offer service, but each CLEC rarely has very many >customers in each rate center. If conservation allocates numbers by >the thousand rather than ten thousand, ten CLECs could share a single >prefix, which will save a lot of prefixes. Rate center consolidation >also helps, although ILECs don't like that for a variety of >self-serving reasons. > > >-- >John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 >johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, >Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. High Point, NC USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 22:38:42 -0500 From: danny burstein Subject: Gotta watch those backhoes - QWest hit hard in court 15-Nov-2000 Associated Press Jury Orders Qwest to Pay AT&T About $350 Million Over Cut Line AUSTIN, Texas -- Telecommunications carrier Qwest Communications International Inc. was ordered by a jury to pay AT&T Corp. about $350 million for repeatedly cutting a fiber-optic phone line. "We tried to send a message," said juror Sherry McGraw. "The only way to do that was to make the stockholders feel it in the bottom line." The award was broken down into $1.2 million in actual, and $350 million (yes, $350 million) in punitive, damages. Which, as the article hastens to note, is about 3/4s of Qwest's annual reported profit. (An explanatory breakdown of real versus reported versus smoke and mirrors in telecom earnings is way, way, beyond this posting...) Qwest, natch, claims the award is excessive and will probably appeal. Oh, and in the spirit of the current USA'n election, let me add in that one of Qwest's grounds is that (per the article) "the award violates a Texas statute that caps punitive damages." _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Commission reversed it's position and the overlay was rejected for three separate area codes for separate areas were established for the Phoenix area. Michael Harvell wrote: > > On 30 Oct 2000 00:56:28 -0500, tknab@nyx.net (Terry Knab) wrote: > > >Missouri regulators have come up with an overlay idea for the 816 area code. > >As reported a few days ago in the KC Star, the plan would call for a second > >area code to be added on top of the existing 816. > > Exactly what does overlaying mean? Does it mean that the same > physical area now covered by the existing 816 area code will now > have another area code? And, does that imply that the new area > code will have a set of exchange prefixes identical to that in the > 816 area code? Will callers in the area have to dial 10-digits to > specify both the area code and exchange prefix for calls to the > same numbers that could previously be dialed using only 7-digits? > > Regards, Mike H > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [snip] > High Point, NC USA > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 23:04:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verizon Buys Price Communications for $2.1B Verizon Buys Price Communications for $2.1B Verizon Wireless Inc. has snapped up Price Communications Corp. in a $2.1 billion deal that will help the New Jersey-based telephone company fill a hole in its cellular business in the southeastern United States. Verizon Wireless has agreed to pay $1.5 billion in stock and assume $550 million in Price debt. The deal depends on Verizon Wireless, now a wholly owned subsidiary of Verizon Communications, making a public stock offering by Sept. 30. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27014-2000Nov15.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 23:14:33 -0500 From: Ian Angus Subject: Re: 809 Scam A writer disagrees with our assessment that the 809 email warnings are a hoax. He cites various warnings from various agencies. These warnings are four or five years old. They all deal with a scam which did exist, but which was generally over-hyped at the time, since the scam was never very widespread. None of the says what the current message says, which is that no one should treturn any call to 809 because charges can run to many thousands of dollars. The email now making the rounds is a garbled version of a 1996 scambusters.com article. It even repeats errors from that article -- locating 809 in the British Virgin Islands, for example. We have been unable to confirm even one recent example of this scam taking place, and, as we noted in our news item, the largest Canadian carrier says it has no reports of it, despite the fact that the email is circulating widely in Canada. The fact that a warning exists that the problem exists. This one is just like the "90#" warning which some US state agencies have issued -- it has a tiny kernel of truth, surrounded by so much nonsense that it must be labelled a hoax. Ian Angus Publisher, Telecom Update www.angustel.ca - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 2000 23:59:28 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Missouri's plan to overlay 816 >From 'Michael Harvell': >OT... What's the difference between a CLEC and an ILEC? >Regards, ILEC = incumbent Local Exchange Carrier, the phone company that has served a given area for years. CLEC = Competitive LEC - the new guys in town. - -- Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 2000 00:08:06 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: 3G Wireless Interim Report For Immediate Release Wednesday, November 15, 2000 Contact: Ranjit de Silva (202) 482-7002 Art Brodsky (202) 482-0019 COMMERCE DEPARTMENT RELEASES INTERIM REPORT ON THIRD GENERATION WIRELESS DEPLOYMENT Report is key step in Administration initiative to facilitate deployment of high-speed mobile Internet access WASHINGTON- The Commerce Department today released a preliminary study on the availability of radio spectrum for third generation wireless systems, a key step in the Clinton-Gore Administration efforts to facilitate the deployment of advanced mobile telecommunications services, including high-speed Internet access, in the United States. < http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/reports/imt2000/ > "This initial study provides the first step in evaluating the impact on the incumbents in the bands, the potential for sharing with 3G systems, and the utility of segmenting the band to accommodate both 3G and incumbent systems," Gregory L. Rohde, assistant secretary of commerce for communications and information and NTIA administrator, said in releasing the study at a press conference. "This interim report indicates that segmentation and sharing are possibilities in the 1755-1850 MHz band," Rohde said. "The industry and the federal agencies need to begin exploring these possibilities as well as possible re-allocation options," he said. The study said that sharing of allocated spectrum to accommodate third generation wireless systems with existing federal government users might be feasible, under certain conditions. Assessing the potential of re-allocation within the 1755-1850 MHz Band for 3G services was not a subject of the interim report and will be determined in the final report due in March, 2001. The study, conducted by the department's National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), is a companion to an evaluation done by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). It was conducted in response to President Clinton's Oct. 13, 2000 directive asking the Secretary of Commerce, in cooperation with the FCC, to begin the process of selecting spectrum for third generation wireless systems and issue an interim report by Nov. 15 on current spectrum uses in certain frequency bands. Rohde hosted a public meeting at the Commerce Department on Nov. 2 to discuss with industry representatives a plan announced Oct. 20, 2000 by Commerce Secretary Norman Y. Mineta in response to the President's Oct. 13, 2000 directive to select spectrum for third generation wireless systems. According to the plan, the FCC will issue a notice of proposed rulemaking on Dec. 31, 2000 on spectrum allocation for third generation wireless. Final reports will be issued by the two agencies in March, 2001. Identification of spectrum by the FCC in coordination with NTIA will be made by July 2001. ### - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 2000 03:49:44 -0500 From: Ralf Subject: Dynamic IP and line teaming for Chat Server? Hello, i am looking for a router/gateway software for the following network configuration : WAN: 2 DSL lines from german ISP "T-Online", both flatrates providing only dynamic IP with auto disconnect! 4 Win2000 Advanced Server PCs, only TCP/IP 2 Linux PCs, only TCP/IP all connected on one 10/100 Ethernet HUB 1. Is it possible to "team" the 2 DSL lines together so that one Linux Server could get a doubled bandwith with a fixed IP, although i have T-DSL with dynamic IP? 2. Or do i have to use a dynamic DNS service like TZO for this? 3. Do i have to install a PPoE driver or does the router soft overtake this part? 4. Will the latency time (ping) decrease or increase with the line teaming? 5. Which software should i buy (e.g. Midpoint/WinRouter etc.)? Background: I want to host a public internet chat server under LINUX many thanks in advance... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #129 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Sat Nov 18 06:18:31 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA07083 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 06:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20971 invoked by uid 85); 18 Nov 2000 06:15:14 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 20885 invoked by uid 85); 18 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Date: 18 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20001118111510.20884.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #130 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Saturday, November 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 130 In this issue: Re: Verizon New Call Intercept Service Re: Verizon New Call Intercept Service ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Nov 2000 09:36:02 -0500 From: "Wineburgh, Joseph - WNJ \(Exchange\)" Subject: Re: Verizon New Call Intercept Service I just got off the phone with Verizon to order the service. I am in Northern NJ and it was available!!! One clarification I did ask for before ordering was what actually happens when an 'out-of-area' call comes in. The rep stated that they are given an option to either enter a (customer selected & distributed) PIN, or in lieu of a PIN, record a name. At that point I would be rung with a 'distinctive ring' at home, and shown priority on my CLID display if the PIN is entered, or if they recorded a name shown 'intercept' on the CLID display. If I choose to answer I am given a menu to accept / reject the call. If I accept, I get the call normally, if I reject, they are played a prerecorded message. I did ask what happens to 'private' calls and they said they are treated the same as 'out-of-area' (or 'unavailable' depending on your box). Is my peace of mind worth $5 a month? Can't wait to try it out!!! #JOE - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Nov 2000 20:00:58 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Verizon New Call Intercept Service One problem with this is that it will reject many (most?) incoming international calls. It will also reject calls from areas where the interconnect either inside the LEC or between the LEC and the IXC is not SS7. I suspect the former is more common than the latter. It may block calls from PBXs, but most of those seem to give non dialable CLIs these days. In short, if you get "out of area" from anybody you want to talk to, you will be cutting them off. If not... I have always thought the best thing would be a bit of CPE that would catch the CLI, answer, causing the caller to be billed for the call, and play a recording saying the call is blocked at their expense, but allow no message. Maybe an interminable message for those machines that listen for the tone, then record theri ad.... On 16 Nov 2000 08:04:51 -0500, "Quinn Michael" wrote: >Nov 15 Washington Post has an ad from Verizon offering a new service >called Call Intercept which will automatically reject "private" >"unavailable" and "anonymous" calls. Customer Service advises that it >will also reject the ubiquitous "out of area" calls that now seem to >make up the bulk of evening incoming calls, at least at my house. It >allows for a PIN to be provided in case you or your kid is calling home >from a pay phone or otherwise blocked phone. Cost is $5 per month over >the prerequisite caller ID service, which here in Northern VA is $7.50 >per month. Seems like it should be free since they allow the >telemarketers to get away with "out of area" calls, but it may be worth >it for a little more peace and quiet. Anonymous Call Reject service is >still free, but doesn't eliminate the "out of area" calls, of course. > >Has anyone tried it yet and confirmed that it really works? > >Mike Quinn *********************************************************************** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *********************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 2000 11:07:18 -0500 From: pete-weiss@psu.edu (Pete Weiss) Subject: Re: Verizon New Call Intercept Service On 17 Nov 2000 09:36:02 -0500, "Wineburgh, Joseph - WNJ \(Exchange\)" wrote: |I did ask what happens to 'private' calls and |they said they are treated the same as 'out-of-area' (or 'unavailable' |depending on your box). I suspect (but don't know because of possible feature interaction) that you might never see PRIVATE if you have Anonymous Call Reject (ACR) enabled. /Pete - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #130 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Thu Nov 23 15:48:58 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA00203 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21823 invoked by uid 85); 23 Nov 2000 15:43:04 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 21543 invoked by uid 85); 23 Nov 2000 15:42:50 -0500 Date: 23 Nov 2000 15:42:50 -0500 Message-ID: <20001123204250.21542.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #131 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Thursday, November 23 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 131 In this issue: Find the ANI Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns Re: ANI's Re: AT&T Partner Mail Re: Find the ANI Carnivore raises new concerns Internet decision raises issues of student privacy Enforcing cell phone ban leads Town Meeting agenda Satellite technology's upcoming products will allow us to track kids, pets and stolen cars. Re: Carnivore raises new concerns Re: Carnivore raises new concerns abbreviations (was Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?) Wired News : Pagers Are Out; Phones Are Chic Re: Carnivore raises new concerns Telecom Update (Canada) #259, November 20, 2000 British Telecom Re: Carnivore raises new concerns Re: Carnivore raises new concerns Report: Carnivore Works Just Fine Re: Carnivore raises new concerns Re: Report: Carnivore Works Just Fine Re: Lucent integration Re: British Telecom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Nov 2000 09:48:57 -0500 From: "Telcom 1" Subject: Find the ANI >From the phone line you wish to check dial, 800-346-0152 to hear a recording of the number you are dialing from. . - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 2000 14:29:10 -0500 From: Denis Mcmahon Subject: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns On 16 Nov 2000 12:53:13 -0500, wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote: >In article <1rb71tckd9afu1m531ruiuhkf66pckb9b3@4ax.com>, >Denis Mcmahon wrote: > >>And if you move into a tunnel where the phone won't work, what loss is >>it's inability to locate itself? > >Some transit systems have mobile coverage. Invariably leaky feeder microcells (in the tunnels and concourses), and / or nanocells (in the concourses). Cell ID alone will put you in a single station or tunnel section under these circumstances, no need for the GPS. Rgds Denis - -- Denis McMahon Usenet: Trim quotes Mobile: +44 7802 468949 Reply at the end Email: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk Don't use html I trim ng when posting! Email domain blocking in use - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 2000 16:32:11 -0500 From: Herb Sutherland Subject: Re: ANI's >What you are really looking for is the Automatic Number Announcement >Circuit (ANAC) number. I haven't seen any lately. You used to be >able to call 800-MYANIIS, but that hasn't worked in quite some time. Try dialing 1010732-1-770-988-9664. This one has been for a long time, when I first heard of it, the carrier code was 10732 and the area code was 404! ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 2000 20:08:51 -0500 From: blw1540@aol.com (Bruce Wilson) Subject: Re: AT&T Partner Mail This thing is starting to drive me NUTS! I have now tried VGA, CGA, and Mono video cards and monitors, all with the same result, which seems to be being produced by the software on the HD. The display goes completely nuts. The last text message I see is Loading CCPM.SYS, there's all sorts of hard drive activity, then BLOOEY. (I swapped in another hard drive of similar size and didn't have any display problems with it, which is why I suspect the software.) Surely someone somewhere knows the nittiest and grittiest of the nitty gritty details of how this thing works? Bruce Wilson - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2000 05:46:55 -0500 From: nicholsrn@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Find the ANI On 18 Nov 2000 09:48:57 -0500, "Telcom 1" wrote: Thanks, do you know who owns that line? Just wondering heard from someone that certain #'s keep track of the read-back numbers? Thanks Ryan Nichols >From the phone line you wish to check dial, 800-346-0152 to hear a recording of the number you are dialing from. >. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2000 21:53:54 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Carnivore raises new concerns Carnivore raises new concerns New documents and the release of an independent panel's report raise suspicions about the FBI surveillance system. By Robert Lemos, ZDNet News November 17, 2000 4:21 PM PT Newly released documents and a report from a highly criticized review panel have privacy experts once again questioning the FBI's motives in developing its Carnivore Internet surveillance system. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) has warned that new documents released by the FBI under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) showed Carnivore could monitor all Internet traffic -- including e-mail, Web surfing, and file transfers -- something the FBI had previously denied. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2655658,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2000 22:03:01 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Internet decision raises issues of student privacy Internet decision raises issues of student privacy By Clare Kittredge, Globe Correspondent, 11/19/2000 EXETER - School districts and civil libertarians say a judge's decision involving logs of school Internet files threatens the privacy of Web-surfing students and could target them for high-powered marketers. In a case widely described as the first in which a parent sued for access to a school's Internet records, a judge recently ordered a New Hampshire public school district to hand its Internet log files over to the public. http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/324/newhampshire/Internet_decision_raises_issues_of_student_privacy+.shtml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2000 22:01:09 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Enforcing cell phone ban leads Town Meeting agenda Enforcing cell phone ban leads Town Meeting agenda By David Scharfenberg, Globe Correspondent, 11/19/2000 BROOKLINE - Now that Town Meeting has voted to ban cell phone use while driving, will it cause the public relations and enforcement nightmare that some fear? http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/324/city/Enforcing_cell_phone_ban_leads_Town_Meeting_agenda+.shtml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 08:53:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Satellite technology's upcoming products will allow us to track kids, pets and stolen cars. Lost & found Satellite technology's upcoming products will allow us to track kids, pets and stolen cars. It's Sunday at 7 p.m., and Patricia Martin, an Orlando teacher, has little inkling where her 12-year-old son has meandered off. By now, he should have been home for dinner. But instead he's probably skateboarding. Used to be, a mother like Martin would either have to start phoning her son's friends or simply pace the floor until he returned. But soon all she'll have to do is log onto the Internet to pinpoint her son's exact whereabouts. http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/personal_tech_a371e4730130c0e71032.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 02:34:23 -0500 From: jgreco@ns.sol.net (Joe Greco) Subject: Re: Carnivore raises new concerns In comp.dcom.telecom article , Monty Solomon wrote: :Carnivore raises new concerns : :New documents and the release of an independent panel's report raise :suspicions about the FBI surveillance system. : :By Robert Lemos, ZDNet News :November 17, 2000 4:21 PM PT : :Newly released documents and a report from a highly criticized review :panel have privacy experts once again questioning the FBI's motives :in developing its Carnivore Internet surveillance system. : :The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) has warned that new :documents released by the FBI under the Freedom of Information Act :(FOIA) showed Carnivore could monitor all Internet traffic -- :including e-mail, Web surfing, and file transfers -- something the :FBI had previously denied. : :http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2655658,00.html Well, by _that_ logic, so can tcpdump. Why bother with Carnivore, then? Carnivore was designed to allow them to zero in on a particular user. They are legally required to be as accurate as possible in their data collection, and Carnivore is basically tcpdump with a whole bunch of filters designed to zero in on a specific user's specific type of traffic, in order to meet this requirement. It seems reasonable to want to test to see if it can do full recording at wire speeds... I think most programmers try to test their systems. If the FBI wanted to actually log everything, it'd be trivial AND much less costly to load up FreeBSD or Linux, and run "tcpdump -w file -s 9999". The fact that Carnivore exists, indicates that they at least have some interest in filtering out traffic that it would be inappropriate to monitor. For a presentation on this, I suggest downloading the (rather large) MPG of the FBI giving NANOG a presentation on it. It's long, and it might seem boring, but it really gives a better view of what Carnivore is capable of, and what it is. I recommend listening with the volume cranked: the audience reaction is interesting. And, yes, the first part is boring. ftp://snarchive.sol.net/something/or/other/nanog/bla/*.mpg (sorry) Courtesy of UOregon. Paranoia is good, but this may be silly. ... JG - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 14:20:32 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Carnivore raises new concerns Followup to: <3A196B1D.571D1A57@animats.com> By author: John Nagle In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > After reading through all that stuff, it sounds like the > unit could in theory record all traffic on a net, but doesn't > have enough storage or drive bandwidth to do it on any net with > significant traffic. It's a little box, not racks of hard drives. > Output is some little removeable, ZIP or JAZ, not DLT. Some > selection filters have to be enabled just to keep the logging > load down. > > Agreed that there's nothing in the thing to keep it from > recording stuff the FBI lacks legal authority to record. > That seems to be the main issue with Carnivore -- there isn't a way for the ISP to verify that the Carnivore programming matches the authorized wiretap request. -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 14:22:01 -0500 From: Carl Moore Subject: abbreviations (was Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?) LORAN is Long Range Navigation. SONAR is Sound Navigation Ranging. Both are in a dictionary I looked up. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 15:10:56 -0500 From: itsamike@yahoo.com (Mike Pollock) Subject: Wired News : Pagers Are Out; Phones Are Chic A note from Mike Pollock: Props to my Peeps! ============================================================ From Wired News, available online at: http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,40215,00.html Pagers Are Out; Phones Are Chic by Elisa Batista 2:00 a.m. Nov. 20, 2000 PST An Oakland, California-based wireless operator is about to make cell phones as hip and chic as Britney Spears. Talking Drum, which powers a wireless communications network based on purchased airtime from telephone service carriers, has opened a store in Sacramento that sells cellular phones, accessories and services specifically for teenagers. Sacramento teens can purchase a phone for as much as $150 (depending on the service plan chosen) that has features such as a voice-activated address book called "Peeps," and another called "Blast," which offers the ability to hold a conference call with up to five people. "It's an instant party line," said Talking Drum president and CEO Vinnie Longobardo. Longobardo pointed out the ubiquity of cell phones among Scandinavian and Japanese teens, and believes these successful sales could transfer to America. "If you look at the pager culture, pagers are well penetrated in the teen market," he said. "They are not cool anymore because everyone has one. But cell phones are cool because not everyone has it." Bluetooth to Ship: A slew of companies have announced they will begin shipping products with the over-hyped Bluetooth wireless technology. Bluetooth is a short radio link that allows handheld devices within 33 feet to interact with each other. Motorola (MOT) has already shipped Bluetooth-enabled notebook PC cards and universal serial bus adapters to be bundled into IBM and Toshiba laptops. Early next year, 3Com (COMS) plans to ship its first three Bluetooth products, which include hardware for desks and conference rooms, notebook PC cards and USB adapters so computers can support Bluetooth. Intel (INTC) said it plans to ship similar products in the first half of next year. Have a mobile Xmas: MP3 lovers can now store, organize and manage their music collections online with Sprint PCS My Music. The burgeoning wireless giant is also offering anyone who purchases a Samsung Uproar Phone a free one-year subscription to its music service. Mobile phone users can sign up at kiosks in New York City's Palisades Center to receive coupons from their favorite stores.... Wal-Mart Stores this month will begin selling Handspring Visors, accessories and select Springboard expansion modules.... The Palm Mobile Internet Kit now includes a Web clipping by Snaz that allows users to make purchases at stores such as Bol, Great Universal Stores, Streets Online, BeU, and Firebox. Dialing around: The Swiss auction for four third-generation or UMTS (universal mobile telecommunications system) licenses was postponed after two of the five remaining bidders announced they are to merge.... NTT DoCoMo reportedly wants a stake in Taiwan's number-four mobile carrier KG Telecom.... Lucent Technologies (LU) and wireless communications company Clearnet (CLNT) are running a trial in Canada that gives WAP (wireless application protocol) users real-time, location-based information such as the nearest ATM machine and the ability to surf the Net, shop, and buy and sell stock. Enfour, a software developer and the Japanese distributor for Psion Computers, is working with Honda Motor so that its car navigation portal can support most personal digital assistants and desktop platforms.... Japan's Matsushita Electric Industrial, whose brands include Panasonic and Technics, next month begins selling mobile phones that access the Internet and store up to 4,000 e-mail messages. Users with PDAs that have AvantGo's software can get a few chuckles from The Onion. Related Wired Links: El Salvador Paper Reads Future Nov. 13, 2000 The Little Phone Co. That Could Nov. 7, 2000 Palestinian Group Targets AT&T Nov. 6, 2000 Look Smart by Wearing This Shirt Oct. 30, 2000 What's Next: Jewelry Waiting? Oct. 23, 2000 Copyright 1994-2000 Wired Digital Inc. All rights reserved. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 13:13:05 -0500 From: John Nagle Subject: Re: Carnivore raises new concerns Monty Solomon wrote: > The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) has warned that new > documents released by the FBI under the Freedom of Information Act > (FOIA) showed Carnivore could monitor all Internet traffic -- > including e-mail, Web surfing, and file transfers -- something the > FBI had previously denied. > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2655658,00.html After reading through all that stuff, it sounds like the unit could in theory record all traffic on a net, but doesn't have enough storage or drive bandwidth to do it on any net with significant traffic. It's a little box, not racks of hard drives. Output is some little removeable, ZIP or JAZ, not DLT. Some selection filters have to be enabled just to keep the logging load down. Agreed that there's nothing in the thing to keep it from recording stuff the FBI lacks legal authority to record. John Nagle - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 16:49:34 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #259, November 20, 2000 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 259: November 20, 2000 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** PCS Auction Applications Filed ** New Internet Domains Approved, But ... ** Teleglobe Equips for 800 Gigabits per Fiber ** Telcos Want to Amend Confidentiality Rules ** Ontario Telus Retailers Shift to Clearnet ** New Toll-Free Code Delayed ** Telus Loses Appeal of Defence Contract ** Anik F1 Launches Today ** Bell Claims DSL Lead ** Bell Mobility Offers Wireless Payment ** Canada Payphone CEO Resigns ** Romancing the Web ** Study Confirms Canada Ahead in Internet Use ** Rogers Offers TV-Based Internet Access ** Wireless Matrix Gains Cellco Funding ** Correction on Satellite Phones ** Financial Reports Group Telecom Microcell ** Does Satellite Broadband Have a Future? ============================================================ PCS AUCTION APPLICATIONS FILED: Seven parties have applied to participate in the upcoming wireless auction. Industry Canada will release a list of qualified bidders in late November. Applicants include: ** The four current PCS licensees: Bell Mobility (bidding for all the Bell Alliance wireless carriers), Telus, Rogers Wireless, and Microcell. ** W2N, owned by Joe Church's Wispra Inc. (80%) and Canadian venture capital firm Itemus Inc. (20%). ** 3050443 Nova Scotia Company, currently 100% owned by a subsidiary of U.S.-based Sprint Corp. ** Independent phone company Thunder Bay Telephone. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05293e.html NEW INTERNET DOMAINS APPROVED, BUT ...: The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers has approved seven of 44 proposed new Top Level Domains. However, the new suffixes (.biz, .info, .pro, .name, .museum, .aero, and .coop) won't be introduced until ICANN and the proposers agree on contract terms. TELEGLOBE EQUIPS FOR 800 GIGABITS PER FIBER: Teleglobe will pay Nortel Networks US$400 Million to supply its global IP network with optical Internet services that will increase fiber capacity to 800 Gbps. TELCOS WANT TO AMEND CONFIDENTIALITY RULES: Bell Canada, MTS, and the Aliant telcos, along with their respective wireless affiliates and Bell Nexxia, have asked the CRTC for permission to share confidential customer information between affiliated companies without written consent from customers, as is currently required. ONTARIO TELUS RETAILERS SHIFT TO CLEARNET: The 30 Telus Mobility dealers in Ontario have stopped selling Telus Mobility-branded products, which used Bell Mobility's network, in favor of Clearnet's PCS and Pay-and-Talk line. In western Canada, Telus Mobility dealers have added Clearnet products to their existing offerings. NEW TOLL-FREE CODE DELAYED: Introduction of the new 855 toll- free code, originally scheduled for November 18, has been delayed for approximately three months. TELUS LOSES APPEAL OF DEFENCE CONTRACT: The Canadian International Trade Tribunal has dismissed a Telus complaint against the award of an $88-Million contract to Bell Canada. Telus said its bid was the lowest; the Tribunal has not yet explained its decision. (See Telecom Update #241, 257) ANIK F1 LAUNCHES TODAY: Arianespace plans to launch Telesat's Anik F1 from French Guiana at approximately 7:00pm EST today. The "world's most powerful communications satellite" will distribute CBC television, including special services to the far North. BELL CLAIMS DSL LEAD: Bell Canada says it is now the leading provider of DSL-based high-speed Internet access in North America, with 200,000 customers representing 3% of homes in its territory. The leading U.S. DSL provider, Qwest, has 1.9% penetration. Bell's Sympatico service also has 800,000 dial- up customers. BELL MOBILITY OFFERS WIRELESS PAYMENT: Bell Mobility says it's the first North American carrier to enable authorization and processing of customer payments made via PCS phones. The first customer of PayLink, developed by Halifax-based E-plicity, is a Quebec City taxi company. ** Charlotte Burke, who formerly headed wireless Internet development at Bell Mobility, has left the company to become VP of marketing and business development at Classwave Wireless, a developer of Bluetooth technology. CANADA PAYPHONE CEO RESIGNS: Canada Payphone says that President and CEO Bruce Clark has left the company to "pursue other ventures." His interim replacement is CFO Paul Dumas. ROMANCING THE WEB: Sprint Canada and OnX.com are partnering to provide network services, Web hosting, and application development for online sales for Harlequin Enterprises, the world's largest publisher of series romance fiction. STUDY CONFIRMS CANADA AHEAD IN INTERNET USE: A PricewaterhouseCoopers survey reports that 48.2% of Canadian households now have Internet access, ahead of the U.S. (43%) and other countries surveyed. The study says that 22% of Canadian households using the Internet have high-speed access. (See Telecom Update #257) ROGERS OFFERS TV-BASED INTERNET ACCESS: Rogers is now offering its 140,000 digital TV customers access to Internet services from their TV sets at up to 56 Kbps for $19.95/month plus a one-time charge of $79.95 for a wireless keyboard. WIRELESS MATRIX GAINS CELLCO FUNDING: Calgary-based Wireless Matrix has received funding from the Bell Wireless Alliance and Telus Mobility to help it develop wireless monitoring and control of remote industrial sites. (See Telecom Update #229) CORRECTION ON SATELLITE PHONES: Telesat now says that call display and screening have been available on Bell Canada satellite phones for some time. A November 8 Telesat news release incorrectly claimed that the features were made possible by a recent software upgrade. (See Telecom Update #258) FINANCIAL REPORTS: Results are for the third quarter: ** Group Telecom's revenue increased to $32.2 Million, 26% above the previous quarter. EBITDA losses rose 23% to $28 Million. The net loss was $63 Million. By September 30, Group Telecom had installed 75,395 access and private lines. ** Microcell reports revenue of $112.8 Million, up 8% from the previous quarter and 62% from last year. EBITDA losses were $17 Million, down 22% from the previous quarter. Total losses were $114 Million. (See Telecom Update #255) DOES SATELLITE BROADBAND HAVE A FUTURE? The November-December issue of Telemanagement explains why companies building data satellite networks, which are raising billions for the "Internet in the sky," will find it difficult to deliver on their promises. 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Thanks you, Praveen Rao - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 22:40:48 -0500 From: jgreco@ns.sol.net (Joe Greco) Subject: Re: Carnivore raises new concerns In comp.dcom.telecom article , Paul Wallich wrote: :In article <8vak5p$bv7$1@earth.execpc.com>, jgreco@ns.sol.net (Joe :Greco) wrote: : :>In comp.dcom.telecom article , :>Monty Solomon wrote: :>:Carnivore raises new concerns :>: :>:New documents and the release of an independent panel's report raise :>:suspicions about the FBI surveillance system. :[snip] :>:http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2655658,00.html :> :>Well, by _that_ logic, so can tcpdump. :> :>Why bother with Carnivore, then? Carnivore was designed to allow them :>to zero in on a particular user. They are legally required to be as :>accurate as possible in their data collection, and Carnivore is basically :>tcpdump with a whole bunch of filters designed to zero in on a specific :>user's specific type of traffic, in order to meet this requirement. :> :>It seems reasonable to want to test to see if it can do full recording at :>wire speeds... I think most programmers try to test their systems. :> :>If the FBI wanted to actually log everything, it'd be trivial AND much less :>costly to load up FreeBSD or Linux, and run "tcpdump -w file -s 9999". The :>fact that Carnivore exists, indicates that they at least have some interest :>in filtering out traffic that it would be inappropriate to monitor. : :Well, no, it indicates that they have interest in filtering out traffic they :aren't currently interested in. The mapping between that and traffic they :are legally allowed to look at is left as an exercise for the reader. Where "interest in filtering out traffic they aren't currently interested in" and "traffic they are legally allowed to look at" are defined in sync, then you've just said nothing at all. Of _course_ there's opportunity for the FBI to look at other things. There's also opportunity for me to break into your house, smash your possessions, kill you, and make hotdogs out of your pets - but that, too, would be illegal. The point is that Carnivore is an attempt at a packet sniffer that discriminates well enough to pull out data relating to an authorized wiretap. Which isn't even particularly complicated, IMO. Does the possibility to perform an unauthorized tap exist? Well, of course. But it seems like it'd be silly to use Carnivore for it, because Carnivore works real hard at picking out very specific network activity. If you want to talk paranoia, I'll set you up with a FreeBSD or Linux machine in a few minutes that captures and decodes _everything_. My driving point is, then, why would they use Carnivore for that sort of thing, when other commonly available tools do the job so much better? Let's all be afraid of Carnivore. Never mind the FreeBSD laptop with the 10/100 NIC in it that's doing tcpdump -w /tmp/log -s 9999 port 23 and port 21 and port 109 on a mirror switch port, gathering interesting data. I think given the two, I'd prefer that the FBI be using Carnivore. ... JG - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 23:23:09 -0500 From: bidulock@openss7.org Subject: Re: Carnivore raises new concerns Peter, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > That seems to be the main issue with Carnivore -- there isn't a way > for the ISP to verify that the Carnivore programming matches the > authorized wiretap request. What were you worried that Law Enforcement would do with unauthorized information? Certainly not use it in court. Is it the ISP's responsibility to police Law Enforcement? I thought that task belonged to the Justice Department and the courts. No faith in the courts or the justice department? That task belongs to your psychiatrist. Knowing wire-taps, the FBI is probably far more concerned with trying to fit the thing with a foot-pedal so that a human operator can watch ascii dumps of packets spooling to the ZIP drive and drop the foot pedal if he sees even a hint of an e-mail to or from a solicitor! And all so that your kid sister doesn't get cranked up on crack by the nogoodnic their tapping! Give me a break. What's this got to do with telecom? Isn't there a comp.dea.crack.houses out there to discuss this? Brian (Drug dealers have computers, too...) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2000 00:58:31 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Report: Carnivore Works Just Fine Report: Carnivore Works Just Fine WASHINGTON -- The Chicago law school dean who reviewed the FBI's controversial e-mail surveillance tool said Monday his report concludes it works the way the bureau described and generally doesn't "overcollect" evidence as feared by privacy advocates. On the eve of the Justice Department's release of his review findings, Henry H. Perritt Jr., dean of the Illinois Institute of Technology's Chicago-Kent College of Law, said the report contains recommended improvements to the Carnivore system both for efficiency and privacy that likely won't be made public Tuesday. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40304,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 15:30:45 -0500 From: Paul Wallich Subject: Re: Carnivore raises new concerns In article <8vak5p$bv7$1@earth.execpc.com>, jgreco@ns.sol.net (Joe Greco) wrote: >In comp.dcom.telecom article , >Monty Solomon wrote: >:Carnivore raises new concerns >: >:New documents and the release of an independent panel's report raise >:suspicions about the FBI surveillance system. [snip] >:http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2655658,00.html > >Well, by _that_ logic, so can tcpdump. > >Why bother with Carnivore, then? Carnivore was designed to allow them >to zero in on a particular user. They are legally required to be as >accurate as possible in their data collection, and Carnivore is basically >tcpdump with a whole bunch of filters designed to zero in on a specific >user's specific type of traffic, in order to meet this requirement. > >It seems reasonable to want to test to see if it can do full recording at >wire speeds... I think most programmers try to test their systems. > >If the FBI wanted to actually log everything, it'd be trivial AND much less >costly to load up FreeBSD or Linux, and run "tcpdump -w file -s 9999". The >fact that Carnivore exists, indicates that they at least have some interest >in filtering out traffic that it would be inappropriate to monitor. Well, no, it indicates that they have interest in filtering out traffic they aren't currently interested in. The mapping between that and traffic they are legally allowed to look at is left as an exercise for the reader. paul - -- Paul Wallich pw@panix.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2000 01:21:51 -0500 From: Art Wagner Subject: Re: Report: Carnivore Works Just Fine I'm sure it doesn't overcollect when anyone outside is watching. The FBI may lie on the witness stand but they aren't stupid enough to show off the CAPABILITIES of Carnivore. Is Carnivore a name you give to a reasonable monitoring program? Monty Solomon wrote: > > Report: Carnivore Works Just Fine > > WASHINGTON -- The Chicago law school dean who reviewed the FBI's > controversial e-mail surveillance tool said Monday his report > concludes it works the way the bureau described and generally doesn't > "overcollect" evidence as feared by privacy advocates. > > On the eve of the Justice Department's release of his review > findings, Henry H. Perritt Jr., dean of the Illinois Institute of > Technology's Chicago-Kent College of Law, said the report contains > recommended improvements to the Carnivore system both for efficiency > and privacy that likely won't be made public Tuesday. > > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40304,00.html > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2000 07:00:31 -0500 From: "Gustavo" Subject: Re: Lucent integration Hi, I've worked with Lucent Definity G3R and Lucent Call Center solutions (ACD, URA - Nabnasset, CTI - Passageway, Voice Mail - Audix, CMS - CentreVu, NiceSystem - NiceLog - NiceView, Melita and Easyphone) on a site at Brazil. I've got experience in Lucent integration and if you wish I can send you my resume for a position. Thanks, Gustavo Chris Ornellas wrote in message news:t0p582888mrua3@corp.supernews.com... > I would suggest not installing any Lucent Switch. I do not favor Lucent in > the least. Run as fast as you can away from that bid. > > "Lowe Chris" wrote in message > news:AEE9912AD1AAD311A7E40050DA6090A23CDB6A@famine.ofda.net... > > I have been passed a proposal presented to a client for a Lucent Definity > > switch, to be installed into their new office. I have been told that this > > proposal was drawn up in response to their meeting with a sales rep, and > > presenting the "requirements" -- i.e., "we want VTC, we want external > audio > > inputs, we want PC integration, we want call support center functionality, > > etc., etc." My problem is that the proposal is a list of lucent part > numbers > > with minimal explanation, and I do not know how to reconcile a pile of > parts > > to a function. Further, there does not appear to be any integration or > > programming time, nor is there any training for the IT staff (my contract > > team) that will have to take over support of this system. So I guess by > > bottom line question is: Does anyone know some place where I can find an > > interpretive guide to Lucent phone switch technology? > > -- > > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2000 23:05:56 -0500 From: bidulock@openss7.org Subject: Re: British Telecom Try NG uk.telecom or uk.telecom.moderated Praveen Rao wrote: > We are trying to understand the Caller ID signalling for UK. This is for > type 1 signalling. > After the line reversal what is the DC condition of the line and how much > current can we draw to detect the Idle state Alert signal. I'm referring to > Fig 1 page 8 of British Telecom standard SIN242 Issue 2. > All comments are welcome and directions to useful links on this info. > Thanks you, > Praveen Rao > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- bidulock@openss7.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #131 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Fri Nov 24 06:19:21 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA17168 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 06:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22054 invoked by uid 85); 24 Nov 2000 06:15:14 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 22011 invoked by uid 85); 24 Nov 2000 06:15:11 -0500 Date: 24 Nov 2000 06:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20001124111511.22010.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #132 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Friday, November 24 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 132 In this issue: Telecom Engineer, Designer Re: British Telecom Re: Need advice on getting refund on $3.95/min chgs Need advice on getting refund on $3.95/min chgs RE: Job Opportunity Re: Verizon New Call Intercept Service Testing Class 5 Switch Billing Telecommunication Training Re: AT&T Partner Mail Review: Online Toy Stores Fall Short on Privacy Protection Address Change MAPS Back With Charges Against 24/7 Exactis, MSN This is a great site with some very useful software PA Court Establishes First-Ever Protections for Online Critics of Public Officials Carnivore Review International co-operation in internet surveillance Re: AT&T Partner Mail minimal phones - was: Re: Party Lines Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 Pat? Re: abbreviations (was Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?) Re: Carnivore raises new concerns MatchLogic Faces Privacy Suit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Nov 2000 12:01:39 -0500 From: idc_ch2m@my-deja.com Subject: Telecom Engineer, Designer Hello, I am a recruiter for Industrial Design Corporation headquartered in Portland, Oregon. We are a worldwide architectural, engineering and construction firm. We are a part of the CH2M Hill family with currently over 1,400 professional employees in 16 offices. We specialize in design build work and we are involved in many areas including high-technology manufacturing, construction management, pharmaceutical, fine chemical and food processing. Additional information may be obtained on our web site located at http://www.idc.ch2m.com. Currently we are looking to hire an Electrical Engineer with a BSEE and PE, and a Designer with RCDD and AutoCAD for our Telecommunications department. If you are interested in this opportunity please call me at 1-800-992-1248 ext.24333. All contact will be kept confidential and we will not contact your current employer. Thank you, Jeff Selby Human Resources Dept. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2000 11:10:36 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: British Telecom It was 20 Nov 2000 23:05:56 -0500, and bidulock@openss7.org wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | Try NG uk.telecom or uk.telecom.moderated Just as a note. uk.telecom.moderated has been rmgrouped. The robot running moderation died, the group never really took off anyhow, and it was removed. uk.telecom is still thriving. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2000 16:14:05 -0500 From: bidulock@openss7.org Subject: Re: Need advice on getting refund on $3.95/min chgs Doesn't sound like AT&T's problem, sounds like US West's. If you haven't already worked up through the supervisors at US West I would start with them: mention words like "slamming", "FCC". If you truely believe that US West has slammed you, you may consider taking it up with the FCC, particularly if you are talking $15,000. If you go that far, it might not be a bad idea to consult a lawyer. Just a suggestion. - --Brian Jeff Winslow wrote: > I'm trying to help a company get a refund from AT&T for long distance > charges that were billed at about $3.95 per minute. AT&T has already > declined to give the refunds (I estimate about $15,000 in charges > above the company's usual rate). AT&T said that the line was not > PICCed to them and AT&T charged the correct rate. > The company I'm helping moved and installed a digital PBX system at > the same time. U S WEST installed the service, but apparently did not > PICC the service to AT&T, the Carrier they had been using and > continued to use for their other, non-PBX, lines. The > Interlata/Interstate LD charges were billed on U S WEST's bill. This > may be the Casual Billing Rate. > AT&T continued to bill for the other lines that were PICCed to them, > and the new account appeared on the bill but billed at $0 while the > charges went on U S WEST's bill. > Does anyone have advice on a way to get a refund for these > overcharges? or these overcharges? - -- Brian - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2000 11:57:24 -0500 From: "Jeff Winslow" Subject: Need advice on getting refund on $3.95/min chgs I'm trying to help a company get a refund from AT&T for long distance charges that were billed at about $3.95 per minute. AT&T has already declined to give the refunds (I estimate about $15,000 in charges above the company's usual rate). AT&T said that the line was not PICCed to them and AT&T charged the correct rate. The company I'm helping moved and installed a digital PBX system at the same time. U S WEST installed the service, but apparently did not PICC the service to AT&T, the Carrier they had been using and continued to use for their other, non-PBX, lines. The Interlata/Interstate LD charges were billed on U S WEST's bill. This may be the Casual Billing Rate. AT&T continued to bill for the other lines that were PICCed to them, and the new account appeared on the bill but billed at $0 while the charges went on U S WEST's bill. Does anyone have advice on a way to get a refund for these overcharges? or these overcharges? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2000 12:01:38 -0500 From: idc_ch2m@my-deja.com Subject: RE: Job Opportunity I am a recruiter for Industrial Design Corporation headquartered in Portland, Oregon. We are a worldwide architectural, engineering and construction firm. We are a part of the CH2M Hill family with currently over 1,400 professional employees in 16 offices. We specialize in design build work and we are involved in many areas including high-technology manufacturing, construction management, pharmaceutical, fine chemical and food processing. Additional information may be obtained on our web site located at http://www.idc.ch2m.com. Currently we are looking to hire an Electrical Engineer with a BSEE and PE for our Telecommunications department as well as a Designer with AutoCAD and RCDD. If you are interested in this opportunity please call me at 1-800-992-1248 ext.24333. All contact will be kept confidential and we will not contact your current employer. Thank you, Jeff Selby Human Resources Dept. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2000 00:53:48 -0500 From: jbond@netcom.com (Jeremy Bond Shepherd) Subject: Re: Verizon New Call Intercept Service In message <8v4ipq$vob@src-news.pa.dec.com>, murray@pa.dec.com (Hal Murray) wrote: > > Yes, but why should I/we have to pay $5 per month to not get telemarketing calls that we don't want and didn't ask for? > > I have a simple solution that works very well for me. My phone blocks "Private" calls, and I never answer "Unavailable" calls. Telemarketers never leave voicemails, and if someone wants to call me from a WATS line or other non-identified circuit they can-just leave me a VM and I'll get back to them shortly. I've been doing this for the last 5 years and find it to be a highly effective, low-risk solution. - - Jeremy - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2000 06:39:53 -0500 From: x10engineer@aol.com (X10Engineer) Subject: Testing Class 5 Switch Billing We're auditing several telecom companies and are looking for a way to test that our clients' switches are recording call details accurately. The traditional method is to record the time and duration of individual test calls and then compare that with the billing system records. The problem is that we are only validating a very small fraction of the calls running throught the system. We're looking for a more automated way to test billing on a larger scale basis. Are there any systems that exist to do this? I would imagine that the system would have to connect directly to the Class 5 switch. The only way that we've developed so far is to use modified war dialers on several lines. Karl - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2000 14:11:59 -0500 From: "Andres Mauricio" Subject: Telecommunication Training CINTEL is the Research Telecommunications Center of Colombia (www.cintel.org.co) owned by the main Public Switched Telephone Network - PSTN operators, some universities and other public and private enterprises relating with the telecommunications sector. Its General Assembly and Board of Directors is headed by the Colombian Department of Communications, particularly the Ministry of Communications or his/her delegate. The Center is planning to offer a course to some enterprises in Colombia, about the issue "Fundamental Technical Plans" in the Telecommunication field. The course will take place in Colombia and will contain the following themes: a.. Numbering Plan (Duration: One day) b.. Transmission Plan (Duration: one day ) c.. Synchronisation Plan (Duration: one day) d.. Routing Plan Duration: Some hours) e.. Switching Plan (Duration: Some hours) f.. Signalling Plan (Duration: Two days) g.. Security and Availability Plan (Duration: Some hours) h.. Charging Plan (Duration: Some hours) Note: These plans were defined for ITU. (International Telecommunication Union). Fundamental Technical Plans: As their name implies, fundamental technical plans are used as references which define the technical standards which are to be achieved, and maintained, by the operator over the long-term planning period. Most of the quantitative standards to be achieved are defined in CCITT / ITU-T and CCIR / ITU-R Recommendations. The course what we want to offer intended to assist planning personnel in the preparation of the fundamental plans required as part of the strategic planning process, in particular to meet the requirements for totally digital networks. Therefore, The Center is looking for speakers who could give lectures at this course and we are interesting in that someone of you provides us with these lectures or inform us about speakers who can give these lectures. Otherwise we want to know what is your content proposal for every one or some these plans as well as to know the cost for all it. (economic proposal). Besides, if you are interesting you must to send us your curriculum vitae. Best regards, Andrés Mauricio Muñoz Ingeniero de Proyectos CINTEL dr=E9s Mauricio Mu=F1oz Ingeniero de Proyectos=20 CINTEL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2000 19:17:12 -0500 From: "Touch Tone Tommy" Subject: Re: AT&T Partner Mail Connect a PC running some type of Terminal program, using a NULL modem adapter, and set it to 1200,N,1,E (connect to the DB-9 serial port on the side). In message <20001118200739.12100.00000472@ng-cj1.aol.com>, blw1540@aol.com (Bruce Wilson) wrote: > This thing is starting to drive me NUTS! I have now tried VGA, CGA, and Mono > video cards and monitors, all with the same result, which seems to be being > produced by the software on the HD. The display goes completely nuts. The > last text message I see is Loading CCPM.SYS, there's all sorts of hard drive > activity, then BLOOEY. (I swapped in another hard drive of similar size and > didn't have any display problems with it, which is why I suspect the software.) > > Surely someone somewhere knows the nittiest and grittiest of the nitty gritty > details of how this thing works? > > Bruce Wilson > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- Tom Thiel - touch_tone_tommy@yahoo.com It don't mean a thing if it aint got that certain je ne sais quois -- Peter Schickele (PDQ Bach) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2000 23:15:17 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Review: Online Toy Stores Fall Short on Privacy Protection Review: Online Toy Stores Fall Short on Privacy Protection Chances are, you won't find e-retailers' privacy policies or know what personal info they're collecting - and you won't find a place to file a complaint about it, either. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,20374,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2000 00:40:27 -0500 From: "Karl von Hoffmann" Subject: Address Change Hello, I've changed my ISP and need to change the address that the digest is sent to. What's the procedure for doing this? Thanks, Karl - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2000 23:06:27 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: MAPS Back With Charges Against 24/7 Exactis, MSN MAPS Back With Charges Against 24/7 Exactis, MSN After a rather quiet month, Mail Abuse Prevention System LLC roared back into the spotlight last week, attempting to place e-mail marketer 24/7 Exactis on its Realtime Blackhole List of spammers and accusing MSN, Microsoft Corp.'s consumer-oriented Web portal, of operating several unsecured mail servers that are open to third-party spam attacks. But 24/7 Exactis quickly thwarted that effort and obtained a temporary restraining order from a U.S. Federal District Court in Denver that prohibited MAPS from adding its name to the RBL. MAPS' RBL is a compilation of alleged spammers used by thousands of Internet service providers and mail administrators as a guideline for making decisions on which e-mails to block from their systems. http://www.dmnews.com/articles/2000-11-20/11694.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2000 17:20:27 -0500 From: "Paul Taylor" Subject: This is a great site with some very useful software This is a great site with some very useful software, projects and some excellant links to some of the top sites on the net it got to be a must for all those interested or working within the electronics industry. The url is http://www.p5taylor.btinternet.co.uk - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2000 22:37:36 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: PA Court Establishes First-Ever Protections for Online Critics of Public Officials http://www.aclu.org/news/2000/n111500a.html PA Court Establishes First-Ever Protections For Online Critics of Public Officials FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, November 15, 2000 PITTSBURGH -- In a ruling that establishes new protections for anonymous online authors, a state court judge here said today that public officials and others cannot use frivolous defamation lawsuits to ferret out the identity of their critics. The American Civil Liberties Union, which has defended numerous anonymous authors including the "John Doe" in today's case, Melvin v. Doe, hailed the ruling as an important step forward in Internet free speech case law. "Until today, a public official or employer claiming defamation could get a court to disclose the name of an anonymous Web author simply by filing a lawsuit," said ACLU National Staff Attorney Ann Beeson, who litigated the case along with attorneys from the ACLU of Pennsylvania's Greater Pittsburgh Chapter. The case arose when Allegheny County State Superior Court Judge Joan Orie Melvin found comments critical of her on a website entitled "Grant Street 1999." The website author accused the judge of lobbying on behalf of an attorney seeking a judgeship. Melvin then filed a defamation lawsuit seeking disclosure of the author's name. Beeson noted that in many of the defamation cases the ACLU has handled, individuals felt their speech was "chilled" by the threat of a lawsuit -- often brought by deep-pockets corporations or powerful individuals -- and by the threat of disclosure. Judge R. Stanton Wettick Jr. today noted that "anonymous Internet speakers, unlike the national media, are vulnerable because they lack power or money. Without anonymity, speakers will be less willing to express controversial positions because of fears of reprisal." Judge Wettick's opinion cited examples of an employee reporting anonymously that employer was dumping toxic waste, and a speaker who criticizes a school superintendent who hires teachers on the basis of "who they know" rather than competency. A key holding in today's ruling says that identity may not be disclosed until the anonymous speaker has had an opportunity to prove that the defamation lawsuit is without merit. Although the ruling is a significant victory for free speech rights, the ACLU did not prevail in its specific argument that the case should be dismissed. The ACLU is now considering whether to appeal. Significantly, however, Judge Wettick said that "John Doe's" identity in this case "shall be subject to a protective order," emphasizing that "any ruling that does not fully protect the anonymity of the anonymous Internet speaker may deter anonymous Internet speech." "The importance of this ruling is clear when you consider the thousands of anonymous people online right now who are criticizing Florida public officials in the election controversy," said Witold "Vic" Walczak, Executive Director of the ACLU of Pennsylvania's Greater Pittsburgh Chapter. Walczak noted that lawsuits like the one Judge Melvin brought against "John Doe" are rapidly multiplying and that judges and lawyers will be struggling with the issue for years. "Judge Wettick's ruling is a good first step in the ultimate goal of preserving the right to speak freely online," he said. The case is Melvin v. Doe, No. GD99-10264. ACLU national attorneys in the case are Beeson and Senior Staff Attorney Chris Hansen; ACLU attorneys in Pittsburgh are Walczak, volunteer attorney Ronald Barber of Strassburger, McKenna, Gutnick & Potter and volunteer attorney Susan Yohe of Buchanan Ingersoll, who argued the case before Judge Wettick. A brief in the case can be viewed online at: http://www.aclu.org/court/melvin.pdf - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2000 12:18:54 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Carnivore Review Draft Report: Independent Technical Review of the Carnivore System http://cryptome.org/carnivore-rev.htm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2000 12:15:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: International co-operation in internet surveillance International co-operation in internet surveillance Nicky Hager 22.11.2000 The police, Security Intelligence Service and the Government Communications Security Bureau of New Zealand are pushing for major new surveillance powers including the ability to spy on emails All of this will soon be possible. New surveillance laws, devised under a National Government and now promoted by Cabinet minister Paul Swain, include legalising spying on Internet communications, allowing Police and intelligence agencies to "hack" covertly into individuals' computers and forcing people to hand over computer passwords and encyption keys so that e-mail communications and computer files can be read. The new legislation would also impose "requirements" on Internet service providers and telephone companies to co-operate with intelligence agencies and police and install systems to assist spying on their customers. http://www.heise.de/tp/english/special/enfo/4306/1.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2000 16:34:57 -0500 From: Electron_Mobility@bigfoot.com Subject: Re: AT&T Partner Mail > In message <20001118200739.12100.00000472@ng-cj1.aol.com>, >blw1540@aol.com (Bruce Wilson) wrote: >This thing is starting to drive me NUTS! I have now tried VGA, CGA, >and Mono video cards and monitors, all with the same result, which seems to >be being produced by the software on the HD. The display goes completely >nuts. The last text message I see is Loading CCPM.SYS, there's all sorts of >hard drive activity, then BLOOEY. (I swapped in another hard drive of similar >size and didn't have any display problems with it, which is why I suspect the >software.) I missed all previous references to this problem so if I'm way off beam please forgive me. CCPM.SYS is one of the "system" files for Concurrent Dos (from Digital Research) It's *not* directly compatible with "normal" DOS systems. It probably won't even run on pentium systems. Mike Mike Millen Electron Mobility Systems - -- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2000 17:58:20 -0500 From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: minimal phones - was: Re: Party Lines In article <8v0082$33v0u$1@ID-39509.news.dfncis.de>, Ed Ellers wrote: > ... >Even after a given area went to dial service, manual phones were still >commonly used behind switchboards or in special locations where outgoing >service wasn't wanted -- for example, at a bar (so the bartender won't call >his buddies from work). I believe these were available right up until the >Bell System breakup in 1984, and possibly from AT&T for a while after that. >(Though in this case, they probably had a technician *remove* the dial from >the phone.) I got a phone from AT&T/Southern Bell in 1963, and wanted the cheapest possible service. So I got a party line, and, much to the horror of the order take, refused to pay extra for a coiled cord connecting the handset to the base (a regular 500 type phone.) The installer showed up, and then took apart the base and handset and replaced the coiled cord (which evidently was standard from the factory) with a straight cord. I saved a couple of bucks, and the telco spent more than that extra! - -- - --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2000 17:58:21 -0500 From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 In article <200011171801.KAA05490@shelley.rand.org>, Willis H. Ware wrote: >"CHAD" has been much in the news recently and I wonder what its etymology >might be? I found one source the claims it derives from a man named >CHADLESS who invented such a punch for paper tape. The search engines on >the net usually find sources that claim the term in the name of computery >and the early use of teletypewriter equipment for I/O devices. The Encyclopedia of Computer Science and Engineering, Ralston and Reilly eds. 2/e describes chad as the "chips from punching" paper tape. But it gives no etymology, nor does it mention Chadless. > ... It would be nice to know more. - -- - --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2000 17:58:21 -0500 From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Pat? I haven't been reading the digest for a while - last time I read some it seemed as if Pat was quite sick. Is there a file on what happened? - -- - --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2000 18:04:32 -0500 From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: abbreviations (was Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?) In article <200011201416.aa05013@VIP.ARL.ARMY.MIL>, Carl Moore wrote: > >LORAN is Long Range Navigation. >SONAR is Sound Navigation Ranging. >Both are in a dictionary I looked up. My sources say long range radio navigation sound detection and ranging (which is a better description) - -- - --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2000 21:00:35 -0500 From: John Nagle Subject: Re: Carnivore raises new concerns bidulock@openss7.org wrote: > > Peter, > > H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > > > That seems to be the main issue with Carnivore -- there isn't a way > > for the ISP to verify that the Carnivore programming matches the > > authorized wiretap request. > > What were you worried that Law Enforcement would do with unauthorized > information? Certainly not use it in court. > > Is it the ISP's responsibility to police Law Enforcement? I thought > that task belonged to the Justice Department and the courts. For telecommunications providers subject to CALEA, the telco, not the law enforcement agency, selects what gets monitored, after seeing the court order. The tap is then delivered over a T1 to the law enforcement agency. Congress insisted it work that way, rather then allowing law enforcement to control circuit selection. Carnivore lacks that safeguard. Control is entirely in the hands of law enforcement, and Carnivore has zero auditing of what it's been doing. So there's a real problem. The IITRI report glosses over this. John Nagle - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2000 01:40:55 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: MatchLogic Faces Privacy Suit MatchLogic Faces Privacy Suit In a class action suit filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Denver, Colo., five Internet users accused online ad network and technology firm MatchLogic of privacy violations, stemming from the company's use of cookies. MatchLogic maintains a profile database of more than 72 million anonymous users. The listed plaintiffs, from New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois and California, allege in the suit that MatchLogic uses methods of tracking users without warning Web users "in any manner." http://www.internetnews.com/IAR/article/0,,12_518201,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #132 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Sat Nov 25 06:18:18 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA19155 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 06:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28196 invoked by uid 85); 25 Nov 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 28144 invoked by uid 85); 25 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Date: 25 Nov 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20001125111510.28143.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #133 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Saturday, November 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 133 In this issue: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns Re: AT&T Partner Mail Fast scrolling prohibited??? Information Goofy tariffs Re: Fast scrolling prohibited??? CFP: ACM MobiCom 2001 : The Seventh Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking Re: Goofy tariffs Re: Goofy tariffs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Nov 2000 08:45:07 -0500 From: Michael Hartley Subject: Re: Sprint's plan stirs privacy concerns > On 16 Nov 2000 12:53:13 -0500, wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) > wrote: > > >In article <1rb71tckd9afu1m531ruiuhkf66pckb9b3@4ax.com>, > >Denis Mcmahon wrote: > > > >>And if you move into a tunnel where the phone won't work, > what loss is > >>it's inability to locate itself? > > > >Some transit systems have mobile coverage. > > Invariably leaky feeder microcells (in the tunnels and concourses), > and / or nanocells (in the concourses). > > Cell ID alone will put you in a single station or tunnel section under > these circumstances, no need for the GPS. Not always, often you'll find that a single cell covers more than one tunnel section and/or station - the Berlin U Bahn is a good example. It's done to make most efficient use of resources by exploiting trunking efficiency as well as allowing centralisation of the BTS kit. Regards Mike NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including attachments) is confidential. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system without copying or disseminating it or placing any reliance upon its contents. We cannot accept liability for any breaches of confidence arising through use of email. Any opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect our opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warrant the accuracy or completeness of such information. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2000 09:26:41 -0500 From: blw1540@aol.com (Bruce Wilson) Subject: Re: AT&T Partner Mail The OS is Concurrent DOS 5.1. Does anyone have a copy for sale cheap? I absolutely cannot format a system disk because it keeps saying there's not enough memory for the system files, no matter what I do with ADDMEM. The only way I've been able to format a disk at all has been to use a 360K disk in a 1.2 drive. No joy with a 1.44 in a 1.44 drive, 360 in a 360 drive, or a 1.2 in the 1.2 drive. The hard drive's CP/M partitioned and formatted. Why? It's something about the software and the voice mail card's ROMs which screw up any connected video display and send everything out through the serial port. I tried booting without the card. The connected display got "stuck" at "Loading CCPM.SYS ........" (but didn't go nuts) while everything else appeared on the attached computer running a term program. Bruce Wilson Urban Dreams 1410 Sixth Avenue Des Moines, IA 50314 (515) 288-4742 Fax: (515) 284-5886 http://www.urbandreams.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2000 11:26:42 -0500 From: Roy Smith Subject: Fast scrolling prohibited??? I was perusing RCN's Internet Access Agreement and came upon the following paragraph: > (m) Scrolling. You agree not to cause the screen to "scroll" faster than > other subscribers or users are able to type to it, or any action to a > similar disruptive effect on or through the Access Service. Obviously, this is in there to prevent some sort of scam or hack which has been perpetrated in the past, but I'm at a loss to figure out what. Anybody know what this is about? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2000 12:35:34 -0500 From: "Andres Mauricio" Subject: Information I am Electronic and Telecommunication Enginner and I am interesting to inscribe me in the list the Newsgroup, therefore I want to know what should I do? Best Regards Andrés Mauricio Muñoz Ingeniero de Proyectos CINTEL CINTEL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2000 16:28:53 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Goofy tariffs Henry E Schaffer wrote: "I got a phone from AT&T/Southern Bell in 1963, and wanted the cheapest possible service. So I got a party line, and, much to the horror of the order take, refused to pay extra for a coiled cord connecting the handset to the base (a regular 500 type phone.) "The installer showed up, and then took apart the base and handset and replaced the coiled cord (which evidently was standard from the factory) with a straight cord. I saved a couple of bucks, and the telco spent more than that extra!" But probably less than it would have cost to file a new tariff merely to drop the added charge. Once something like this is approved by the state regulatory commission, the phone company *must* charge the extra fee until they ask the commission to remove that tariff provision. If the installer had left the coiled cord in place, Southern Bell would have been in violation of state law for providing a service to you at a rate different from that given in the tariffs. (No doubt this extra charge was removed, when it was, as part of a more general tariff filing later on.) One of the goofiest tariff provisions I ever heard of was from Southern Bell in Kentucky in the 1950s; they had one provision that disallowed any phone book covers not supplied by the telco, and under another provision they would *lease* a phone book cover to you, in colors matching Western Electric telephones. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2000 16:31:28 -0500 From: ebohlman@omsdev.com (Eric Bohlman) Subject: Re: Fast scrolling prohibited??? Roy Smith wrote: > I was perusing RCN's Internet Access Agreement and came upon the > following paragraph: >> (m) Scrolling. You agree not to cause the screen to "scroll" faster than >> other subscribers or users are able to type to it, or any action to a >> similar disruptive effect on or through the Access Service. > Obviously, this is in there to prevent some sort of scam or hack which > has been perpetrated in the past, but I'm at a loss to figure out what. > Anybody know what this is about? AFAIK, it applies to IRC chat rooms, and is a prohibition against automatically sending a rapid barrage of blank lines in an attempt to scroll other people's writing off the screen in order to make the channel unusable. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2000 18:31:31 -0500 From: dawn@eecs.wsu.edu Subject: CFP: ACM MobiCom 2001 : The Seventh Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking Enclosed below please find a Preliminary Announcement and Call for Papers for the 7th Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking (MobiCom) to be held in Rome, Italy from July 16-21, 2001. As you might already know, MobiCom has an established reputation as the pre-eminent conference in this area owing to the exceptionally high quality of papers, excellent tutorials and workshops, and stimulating panels conducted by mobile computing illuminati of various stripes. For complete information about the upcoming conference, please visit: http://www.research.ibm.com/mobicom2001/ We apologize if you received multiple copies of this Call for Papers. Please feel free to distribute it to those who might be interested. Very truly yours, ACM SIGMOBILE MobiCom 2001 Organizing Committee *********************************************************************** Preliminary Announcement and Call for Papers *** ACM MobiCom 2001 *** The Seventh Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking July 16-21, Rome, Italy Sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE http://www.research.ibm.com/mobicom2001/ http://www.acm.org/sigmobile/ Submission Deadline: January 12, 2001 *********************************************************************** PAPERS: Technical papers (maximum 15 pages) describing original, previously unpublished, completed research, not currently under review by another conference or journal, are solicited on the following topics: * Applications and computing services supporting mobile users * Architectures, protocols, and algorithms to cope with mobility, limited bandwidth, or intermittent connectivity * Database and data management issues in mobile computing * Performance of mobile/wireless networks and systems * Security and privacy of mobile/wireless systems * Interaction between different layers of mobile/wireless systems * Integration and interworking of wired and wireless networks * Adaptive applications and systems for mobile environments * Distributed-system aspects of mobile systems * Operating system support for mobility * Location-dependent applications * Wireless multimedia systems * Power management * Mobile agents * Pervasive computing * Wireless sensor networks * Wireless/mobile service management and delivery All papers will be refereed by the program committee. Accepted papers will be published in the conference proceedings. Papers of particular merit will be proposed for publication in the ACM/Baltzer Wireless Networks (WINET) and Mobile Networks and Applications (MONET) journals. Note: Student Registrations will be provided at a discounted rate. CHALLENGES SESSION, PANELS, RESEARCH DEMOS, TUTORIALS: Short papers (maximum of 8 pages) that challenge the mobile computing community with new technologies or visionary applications are solicited. Such papers should provide stimulating ideas or visions that may open up exciting avenues of mobile computing research. Proposals are solicited for panels that examine innovative, controversial, or otherwise provocative issues of interest. Proposals for tutorials are solicited. Tutorial topics that encompass the systems aspects of mobile computing and/or practical experiences in building/deploying such systems are of particular interest. Informal proposals for research demos are solicited. Proposals should include: the focus area in mobility, the technologies involved, specific equipment used, demo layout, space required, etc. Please refer to the conference website for submission and other details. IMPORTANT DATES: * Technical Paper Submissions due: January 12, 2001 - Please refer to the website for submission instructions * Notification of acceptance: May 1, 2001 * Camera-ready version due: May 15, 2001 * Challenges Session Papers, Panel Proposals, Tutorial Proposals Submissions due: January 12, 2001 - Please refer to the website for submission instructions FOR MORE INFORMATION: Send email to mobicom2001@winlab.rutgers.edu with any questions or comments about the conference or for more information. ORGANIZING COMMITTEE: * General Chair: * Tutorials Co-Chairs: Christopher Rose Ravi Jain Rutgers University, WINLAB Telcordia Technologies * General Vice Chair: Chiara Petrioli Politecnico di Milano Sergio Palazzo Universita` di Catania * Panels Chair: * Program Co-Chairs: Ramesh Rao Univ. of California, San Diego Mahmoud Naghshineh IBM T.J. Watson Research Center * Local Arrangement Chair: Michele Zorzi Marco Listanti Universita` di Ferrara Universita` di Roma "La Sapienza" * Finance Chair: Chiara Petrioli Politecnico di Milano David B. Johnson Rice University * Registration Chair: * Exhibits/Sponsorships Chair: Irene Katzela Marco Ajmone Marsan Lucent Technologies Politecnico di Torino * Publicity Co-Chairs: * Research Demos Chair: Stefano Basagni Nigel Davies Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lancaster University Krishna Sivalingam * Steering Committee Chair: Washington State University Imrich Chlamtac Univ. of Texas at Dallas *********************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2000 21:06:23 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Goofy tariffs On 24 Nov 2000 16:28:53 -0500, "Ed Ellers" wrote: >Henry E Schaffer wrote: > >"I got a phone from AT&T/Southern Bell in 1963, and wanted the cheapest >possible service. So I got a party line, and, much to the horror of the >order take, refused to pay extra for a coiled cord connecting the handset to >the base (a regular 500 type phone.) > >"The installer showed up, and then took apart the base and handset and >replaced the coiled cord (which evidently was standard from the factory) >with a straight cord. I saved a couple of bucks, and the telco spent more >than that extra!" > >But probably less than it would have cost to file a new tariff merely to >drop the added charge. I think the issue was that they would have to stop charging all customers for the coiled cord. The same issue kept party lines in existence long after they cost more than single loops. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2000 23:41:11 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Goofy tariffs John McHarry wrote: "I think the issue was that they would have to stop charging all customers for the coiled cord." Was there a *monthly* charge for a coiled cord? I guess that would add to your argument -- and would bolster mine, that they would wait until the next time they filed for a rate increase. "The same issue kept party lines in existence long after they cost more than single loops." In that instance my gut feeling is that the state commissions didn't want to force people to pay for single-party service. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #133 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Sun Nov 26 06:18:25 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA19401 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 06:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28607 invoked by uid 85); 26 Nov 2000 06:15:43 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 28309 invoked by uid 85); 26 Nov 2000 06:15:14 -0500 Date: 26 Nov 2000 06:15:14 -0500 Message-ID: <20001126111514.28308.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #134 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Sunday, November 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 134 In this issue: change of web page - address Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 (etymology of chad) Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 (etymology of chad) Re: Carnivore raises new concerns Re: Carnivore raises new concerns ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Nov 2000 08:25:07 -0500 From: "k. balaji" Subject: change of web page - address Hello Mr.Patrick Townson, To introduce myself, i am one of the users of Telecom Digest web page. When i am trying to access some of the links. It seems to be old and invalid. Please be informed that one of the links ISDN TUTORIAL by Ralph Becker is no more in www. ziplink.net/..... but moved to www.ralph.net/ISDN. Similarly the link from Survival Kit Getting Started in telecom (Roy McCrory) is also no more valid, but i also don't where it's new location is? Will you be kind enough to update the links so that a number of users like me will be greatly benefitted ? Thanks, Kind regards, Balaji K - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 2000 11:01:05 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 (etymology of chad) Shamelessly copied from the Jargon Dictionary, V4.0 :chad: /chad/ /n./ 1. The perforated edge strips on printer paper, after they have been separated from the printed portion. Also called {selvage} and {perf}. 2. obs. The confetti-like paper bits punched out of cards or paper tape; this has also been called `chaff', `computer confetti', and `keypunch droppings'. This use may now be mainstream; it has been reported seen (1993) in directions for a card-based voting machine in California. Historical note: One correspondent believes `chad' (sense 2) derives from the Chadless keypunch (named for its inventor), which cut little u-shaped tabs in the card to make a hole when the tab folded back, rather than punching out a circle/rectangle; it was clear that if the Chadless keypunch didn't make them, then the stuff that other keypunches made had to be `chad'. There is a legend that the word was originally acronymic, standing for "Card Hole Aggregate Debris", but this has all the earmarks of a bogus folk etymology. George Beuselinck georgeb@944ecology.com "Henry E Schaffer" wrote in message news:8vk73f$h2r$1@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu... > In article <200011171801.KAA05490@shelley.rand.org>, > Willis H. Ware wrote: > >"CHAD" has been much in the news recently and I wonder what its etymology > >might be? I found one source the claims it derives from a man named > >CHADLESS who invented such a punch for paper tape. The search engines on > >the net usually find sources that claim the term in the name of computery > >and the early use of teletypewriter equipment for I/O devices. > > The Encyclopedia of Computer Science and Engineering, Ralston and > Reilly eds. 2/e describes chad as the "chips from punching" paper tape. > But it gives no etymology, nor does it mention Chadless. > > ... > > It would be nice to know more. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 2000 12:07:52 -0500 From: scsmediafmp@aol.com (Steven Scharf) Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 (etymology of chad) This etymological research is useless if you do not note the date of publication. Do not assume we have these publications to refer to or that we have ever even heard of them. Steven Scharf SCSMedia@aol.com : gb944@mindspring.com commented: Shamelessly copied from the Jargon Dictionary, V4.0 :chad: /chad/ /n./ 1. The perforated edge strips on printer paper, after they have been separated from the printed portion. Also called {selvage} and {perf}. 2. obs. The confetti-like paper bits punched out of cards or paper tape; this has also been called `chaff', `computer confetti', and `keypunch droppings'. This use may now be mainstream; it has been reported seen (1993) in directions for a card-based voting machine in California. Historical note: One correspondent believes `chad' (sense 2) derives from the Chadless keypunch (named for its inventor), which cut little u-shaped tabs in the card to make a hole when the tab folded back, rather than punching out a circle/rectangle; it was clear that if the Chadless keypunch didn't make them, then the stuff that other keypunches made had to be `chad'. There is a legend that the word was originally acronymic, standing for "Card Hole Aggregate Debris", but this has all the earmarks of a bogus folk etymology. George Beuselinck georgeb@944ecology.com "Henry E Schaffer" wrote in message news:8vk73f$h2r$1@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu... > In article <200011171801.KAA05490@shelley.rand.org>, > Willis H. Ware wrote: > >"CHAD" has been much in the news recently and I wonder what its etymology > >might be? I found one source the claims it derives from a man named > >CHADLESS who invented such a punch for paper tape. The search engines on > >the net usually find sources that claim the term in the name of computery > >and the early use of teletypewriter equipment for I/O devices. > > The Encyclopedia of Computer Science and Engineering, Ralston and > Reilly eds. 2/e describes chad as the "chips from punching" paper tape. > But it gives no etymology, nor does it mention Chadless. > > ... > > It would be nice to know more. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2000 00:13:53 -0500 From: ewl@panix.com (Emery Lapinski) Subject: Re: Carnivore raises new concerns In article <8vak5p$bv7$1@earth.execpc.com>, Joe Greco wrote: > >... >If the FBI wanted to actually log everything, it'd be trivial AND much less >costly to load up FreeBSD or Linux, and run "tcpdump -w file -s 9999". >... Except that it's like running tcpdump on every router everywhere on the Internet, no? Now that's neither trivial or less costly. - -- ewl@panix.com http://www.panix.com/~ewl/ This post is Copyright 2000 Emery Lapinski and is distributed under the terms and conditions of GNU's General Public License. It's what the astronauts drink! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2000 00:37:00 -0500 From: jgreco@ns.sol.net (Joe Greco) Subject: Re: Carnivore raises new concerns In comp.dcom.telecom article <3A1DCD4D.E1D08E1B@animats.com>, John Nagle wrote: :bidulock@openss7.org wrote: :> :> Peter, :> :> H. Peter Anvin wrote: :> > :> > That seems to be the main issue with Carnivore -- there isn't a way :> > for the ISP to verify that the Carnivore programming matches the :> > authorized wiretap request. :> :> What were you worried that Law Enforcement would do with unauthorized :> information? Certainly not use it in court. :> :> Is it the ISP's responsibility to police Law Enforcement? I thought :> that task belonged to the Justice Department and the courts. : : For telecommunications providers subject to CALEA, the :telco, not the law enforcement agency, selects what gets :monitored, after seeing the court order. The tap is then :delivered over a T1 to the law enforcement agency. Congress :insisted it work that way, rather then allowing law :enforcement to control circuit selection. : : Carnivore lacks that safeguard. Control is entirely :in the hands of law enforcement, and Carnivore has zero :auditing of what it's been doing. So there's a real problem. : : The IITRI report glosses over this. In all fairness, an ISP certainly has control over what data gets submitted to Carnivore for consideration. Most ISP's are built out of switched networks, meaning that a "monitor" or "mirror" port must be set up in order to allow monitoring, or that router-based policy routing tricks and the like be used. It is not impossible to limit access to your network - and, indeed, in most larger networks, it is more likely to be _im_possible to grant unrestricted access to even a moderately large portion of your network. I'll grant that most ISP's are typically clueless as to how to go about doing this. Many barely have a working concept of how to set up duplex on a switch port. However, it is obviously false to suggest that the control is entirely in the hands of law enforcement. By the FBI's own admission, they rely on the expertise of ISP network engineers to get them access to the network. If I needed to, I could certainly put a Carnivore monitor on my network, and it would be able to monitor only such traffic as I explicitly configured. Again, competence is in short supply, and the FBI is often going to get greater access to networks than they strictly need. I'm not sure that we can criticize the FBI for that, since it seems to rest more on the shoulders of ISP's to be able to design and control their networks appropriately. ... JG - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #134 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Mon Nov 27 06:19:11 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA19682 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 06:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7653 invoked by uid 85); 27 Nov 2000 06:15:15 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 7621 invoked by uid 85); 27 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Date: 27 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Message-ID: <20001127111512.7620.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #135 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Monday, November 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 135 In this issue: Re: Fast scrolling prohibited??? Re: change of web page - address Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 (etymology of chad) All that lawmaker seeks is the attention of drivers Re: Carnivore raises new concerns ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Nov 2000 11:03:28 -0500 From: tweek@eris.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Fast scrolling prohibited??? ebohlman@omsdev.com (Eric Bohlman) writes: >Roy Smith wrote: >> I was perusing RCN's Internet Access Agreement and came upon the >> following paragraph: > >>> (m) Scrolling. You agree not to cause the screen to "scroll" faster than >>> other subscribers or users are able to type to it, or any action to a >>> similar disruptive effect on or through the Access Service. > >> Obviously, this is in there to prevent some sort of scam or hack which >> has been perpetrated in the past, but I'm at a loss to figure out what. >> Anybody know what this is about? Reminds me of the Star Trek episode with NOMAD pulling data from the computer faster than the computer could provide. >AFAIK, it applies to IRC chat rooms, and is a prohibition against >automatically sending a rapid barrage of blank lines in an attempt to >scroll other people's writing off the screen in order to make the channel >unusable. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. They should use a better word for it then. (assuming that it wasn't written into an IRC context in their rules) Scrolling isn't what I think of when I think of the IRC action of "flooding" or what ever you call that which "floodbots" do. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2000 11:43:05 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: change of web page - address It was 25 Nov 2000 08:25:07 -0500, and "k. balaji" wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | Hello Mr.Patrick Townson, | | To introduce myself, i am one of the users of Telecom | Digest web page. When i am trying to access some of | the links. It seems to be old and invalid. Pat is unavailable at the moment, and finding old links, let alone correcting them, is not easy. The website is now collecting archive versions of the DIGEST, including all V2000 digests, but don't hold your breath waiting for other updates! BTW: As posted by Mike Sandman on 7 Nov 2000, anyone who is not familiar with Pat's situation should check out: http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=656464660 http://x55.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=656484003 JL An item for information, not for discussion please. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2000 13:54:15 -0500 From: Paul Gloger Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 (etymology of chad) On 23 Nov 2000 17:58:21 -0500, Henry E Schaffer wrote: >.... > The Encyclopedia of Computer Science and Engineering, Ralston and >Reilly eds. 2/e describes chad as the "chips from punching" paper >tape. But it gives no etymology, nor does it mention Chadless. >.... Incidentally, all of my experience and all of my dictionaries suggest that "chad" is inherently plural, like "confetti". So, until this infernal election, there was not and could not be, e.g., "a hanging chad." Perhaps "a hanging piece of chad." Paul Gloger - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2000 16:16:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: All that lawmaker seeks is the attention of drivers All that lawmaker seeks is the attention of drivers By Rachel M. Collins, Globe Correspondent, 11/26/2000 CONCORD - Anyone not paying attention to their driving - whether it's to talk on a cellular phone, eat a hamburger, apply makeup or read a newspaper - could be targeted by a law being proposed in New Hampshire. After months of study and considerable tweaking, lawmakers have taken a measure from the past legislative session that would have banned cell phone use while driving and broadened its scope. http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/331/newhampshire/All_that_lawmaker_seeks_is_the_attention_of_drivers+.shtml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2000 00:30:34 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Carnivore raises new concerns Followup to: <3A1DCD4D.E1D08E1B@animats.com> By author: John Nagle In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > > > Is it the ISP's responsibility to police Law Enforcement? I thought > > that task belonged to the Justice Department and the courts. > > For telecommunications providers subject to CALEA, the > telco, not the law enforcement agency, selects what gets > monitored, after seeing the court order. The tap is then > delivered over a T1 to the law enforcement agency. Congress > insisted it work that way, rather then allowing law > enforcement to control circuit selection. > > Carnivore lacks that safeguard. Control is entirely > in the hands of law enforcement, and Carnivore has zero > auditing of what it's been doing. So there's a real problem. > As far as the question: is it the ISP's responsibility to police law enforcement? I would argue that it is, since the ISP has a contractual agreement with the subscriber. Therefore, the ISP has the responsibility versus the subscriber to safeguard that no unauthorized data leaks occur. This include rogue law enforcement officials. -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #135 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Tue Nov 28 06:19:31 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA22757 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25494 invoked by uid 85); 28 Nov 2000 06:15:15 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 25463 invoked by uid 85); 28 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Date: 28 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Message-ID: <20001128111512.25462.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #136 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Tuesday, November 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 136 In this issue: Telecom Update (Canada) #260, November 27, 2000 Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 (etymology of chad) AOL Celebrates a Flat-Rate Coup Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? Cordless phones linked to cancer? [none] Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Nov 2000 12:42:09 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #260, November 27, 2000 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 260: November 27, 2000 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Telus to Launch Major-Account Unit ** Claude Chagnon Quits Videotron ** MaxLink in Interim Receivership ** Bell Cuts Price of Business DSL ** Laval Launches Municipal Fibre Net ** Call-Net Says Telus Violates LNP Rules ** Aliant, Manitoba Tel Add Wireless Internet ** Stream Uses Robot to Lay Mississauga Fibre ** ActiMedia Unveils Business Portal ** Rhythms Offers DSL in Three Cities ** 360 Lights Montreal-New York Link ** Ad-Based Wireless Debuts in Montreal ** Rogers BlackBerry Sales Pass 10,000 ** Another Bell "Permanent Winback Promo" Denied ** Carriers Must Require Resellers to Provide End-User Data ** CRTC Won't Cut Megalink Rates for Competitors ** Financial Reports Axxent Lucent ** Wi-LAN Revises Sales Projections ** Last Chance for Free Telecom Reports ============================================================ TELUS TO LAUNCH MAJOR-ACCOUNT UNIT: Telus's new Client Solutions division, headquartered in Toronto, will provide a single point of contact for large business and government customers. The group, which will have 3,200 employees across Canada, will be headed by John Chang, currently VP Advanced Business Application Solutions at ISM-BC, a Telus subsidiary. ** Telus's Barry Baptie is leaving his post as Chief Financial Officer to become EVP Technology and Operations, responsible for Telus's regional and national network infrastructure. ** Robert McFarlane, former EVP and CFO of Clearnet, is now EVP and Chief Financial Officer of Telus. CLAUDE CHAGNON QUITS VIDEOTRON: Claude Chagnon, President and CEO of Videotron, has left the company. Published reports say he was asked to leave by Quebecor, which bought the cableco last month. ** Videotron's Chief Financial Officer, seven vice- presidents, and the head of Videotron's Internet company Netgraphe have left the company in the past month. ** Other reports say that Quebecor intends to cut Videotron spending by $112 Million in the coming year. MAXLINK IN INTERIM RECEIVERSHIP: On November 17, the Ontario Superior Court appointed Ernst and Young as interim receiver for MaxLink, Canada's only LMCS license holder (see Telecom Update #188). The company, which offers broadband wireless in five cities, will continue operating under the supervision of the receiver, who represents the interests of stakeholders while pursuing new funding. BELL CUTS PRICE OF BUSINESS DSL: Bell Canada has cut the price of its business DSL service from $89.95 to $59.95 a month. The service is now called IP Connect Teleworker DSL. LAVAL LAUNCHES MUNICIPAL FIBRE NET: The City of Laval has contracted with QuebecTel to build a fibre-optic network connecting 160 schools, colleges, and municipal office buildings. CALL-NET SAYS TELUS VIOLATES LNP RULES: Call-Net has told the CRTC that Telus is refusing to transfer the telephone number of an ISP customer that wants to move its local service to Sprint. Telus says the service provided on the line is not local telephone service and so is not subject to Local Number Portability rules. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/Eng/8622/C25-10.htm ALIANT, MANITOBA TEL ADD WIRELESS INTERNET: On November 22, both Aliant and MTS began offering e-mail and other Internet services to users of data-equipped digital cellphones. Airtime on Aliant's Cellular WireFree Web is 15 cents/minute; MTS's Mobile Browser charges regular airtime rates. STREAM USES ROBOT TO LAY MISSISSAUGA FIBRE: Stream Intelligent Networks, a Competitive Local Exchange Carrier, has used robotic technology to install a high-speed fibre network in five kilometres of Mississauga's storm sewers. Stream says a Toronto trial of this technology will begin in the next three months. ACTIMEDIA UNVEILS BUSINESS PORTAL: Bell ActiMedia has begun a trial of a new Internet portal, BellZinc.ca, which aims to give small and medium-sized companies access to on-line shopping and other electronic business services. RHYTHMS OFFERS DSL IN THREE CITIES: Rhythms Canada now offers business DSL, with access speeds ranging to 7 Mbps, in Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa. 360 LIGHTS MONTREAL-NEW YORK LINK: 360networks has lit a 640- kilometre 1.6 terabits/second fibre segment between Montreal and New York. AD-BASED WIRELESS DEBUTS IN MONTREAL: ESP Media now offers ad-based cellular service in Montreal. Users provide an "interest profile" and hear a seven-second ad when making calls. Prepaid airtime begins at 16.7 cents/minute. (See Telecom Update #250) ROGERS BLACKBERRY SALES PASS 10,000: Rogers AT&T Wireless say that since the launch of their RIM BlackBerry Wireless Handheld devices in April, they have sold out their initial order of 10,000 units. ANOTHER BELL "PERMANENT WINBACK PROMO" DENIED: CRTC Order 2000-1049 turns down Bell Canada's request to waive service charges and provide one month's free service to business customers who switch from a competitor to Bell. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2000/O2000-1049.htm CARRIERS MUST REQUIRE RESELLERS TO PROVIDE END-USER DATA: To ensure that 9-1-1 databases are accurate, all telcos and CLECs must require resellers to provide up-to-date names, addresses, and phone numbers for their end customers. Order 2000-1048 orders Bell Canada to confirm by January 1 that the 9-1-1 database contains complete reseller end-customer information. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2000/O2000-1048.htm CRTC WON'T CUT MEGALINK RATES FOR COMPETITORS: Order 2000- 1026 turns down Call-Net's request that Bell Canada price Megalink service to competitors at the same rates as in its large business customer access bundle. The Commission said the tariff is not unjustly discriminatory. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2000/O2000-1026.htm FINANCIAL REPORTS: ** Axxent's third-quarter revenue was $22.0 Million, 67% more than last year. Total access lines grew 9% during the quarter to 125,893, of which 23,580 were on-net. Negative EBITDA also grew, to $15.1 Million. ** Lucent Technologies says its report for the quarter ended September 30 overstated revenue by US$125 Million and net income by about $65 Million. That report said that year- over-year revenue had risen 14.6%, to $9.4 Billion, and that next quarter would show a 7% decline from the previous year. WI-LAN REVISES SALES PROJECTIONS: Wi-LAN says that because of delayed deployments by prospective buyers, its broadband wireless revenues for the coming year will be $50 Million, 40% less than financial analysts had predicted. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2000 12:42:18 -0500 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 (etymology of chad) On 26 Nov 2000 13:54:15 -0500, Paul Gloger wrote: :On 23 Nov 2000 17:58:21 -0500, Henry E Schaffer :wrote: :>.... :> The Encyclopedia of Computer Science and Engineering, Ralston and :>Reilly eds. 2/e describes chad as the "chips from punching" paper :>tape. But it gives no etymology, nor does it mention Chadless. The "Chadless" story sounds interesting, but a few quick searches under the name and terms such as "Teletype" and "perforator" gave nothing other than many links to jargon file mirrors. It would be nice to find more about the inventor if said story is true. :Incidentally, all of my experience and all of my dictionaries :suggest that "chad" is inherently plural, like "confetti". So, :until this infernal election, there was not and could not be, e.g., :"a hanging chad." Perhaps "a hanging piece of chad." I think it can be used to repersent the singular or plural, in the same manner as the word "deer". - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2000 13:05:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AOL Celebrates a Flat-Rate Coup AOL Celebrates a Flat-Rate Coup AOL , the world's largest consumer ISP, won a crucial battle last week in the war for global supremacy when the U.K. and Germany decided to adopt its model for unmetered Net access. The establishment of AOL's wholesale telecoms tariff, Friaco (Flat Rate Internet Access Call Origination), means the company has a chance to catch up with European rivals such as Freeserve, which have recently taken the initiative. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,20379,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2000 21:33:23 -0500 From: "Chip G" Subject: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? What is your opinion of either/both of these services? Thank you, Chip G - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2000 21:33:23 -0500 From: "Chip G" Subject: Cordless phones linked to cancer? I have seen a lot of news lately about PCS and Cellular phones being linked to cancer causing effects in the human body and "brain warming". Has anybody heard/seen anything about regular home cordless phones having similar effects? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2000 23:26:13 -0500 From: pioneers@iecc.com Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 03:49:33 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? In article , Chip G wrote: > What is your opinion of either/both of these services? My opinion, personally, is that either one is next to worthless if you have to use a telephone keypad -- a miniaturized one, at that -- to type in the address, and then view the resulting data on a screen that holds maybe a bit over 100 characters. I have a Sprint PCS phone, which is a reasonably useful tool if you stay mostly in major metropolitan areas and along certain high-volume freeways, but there's no way I would pay extra for the web option. If I had one of the newer phones that has a Palm device or comparable built into it, I might find the web option more tenable, but on the other hand that makes the phone bulkier and thus less useful. Not related to your question, but an aside in response to IBM's ads in which they ask "Wouldn't it be great" to be able to use your cellphone to pay for a soda from a vending machine, I say, no, it would not be great. If such a feature is ever offered on my phone, I will demand that it be disabled. If they cannot or will not disable it, I will switch to a provider that can and will. - -- For faster reply, use: Spammers will be given no mercy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #136 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Wed Nov 29 06:18:35 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA25786 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6666 invoked by uid 85); 29 Nov 2000 06:15:15 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 6608 invoked by uid 85); 29 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Date: 29 Nov 2000 06:15:12 -0500 Message-ID: <20001129111512.6607.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #137 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Wednesday, November 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 137 In this issue: Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? HELP! Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? Re: Cordless phones linked to cancer? Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 (etymology of chad) Re: Cordless phones linked to cancer? Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? Re: NEED AUTOMATIC 2-LINE BRIDGE [none] Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Nov 2000 08:47:15 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? Linc Madison wrote: > Not related to your question, but an aside in response to IBM's ads in > which they ask "Wouldn't it be great" to be able to use your cellphone > to pay for a soda from a vending machine, I say, no, it would not be > great. If such a feature is ever offered on my phone, I will demand > that it be disabled. If they cannot or will not disable it, I will > switch to a provider that can and will. This is not a feature of the phone, as such, it's a feature of the soda machine. It is already done in some European locations. The soda machine has a number on it, you call that number, and it bills you like a 900 or 976 number. I suppose you could have something like 900/976 number blocking, but I don't see your big objection. I wouldn't want to be paying the bill for a teenager's cell phone if this idea catches on in the USA, but for my own personal phone I can presumably keep myself under control . . . ;-) - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 09:23:41 -0500 From: "B Blanton" Subject: HELP! HELLO. PLEASE HELP ME TO FIND YOUR SITE AGAIN. I HAVE USED YOUR PHONE SERVICE EVERY SINSE I GOT MY COMPUTER. I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION, THANK YOU. U.=20 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 12:27:54 -0500 From: Paul Hrisko Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? I recently decided to change carriers and to be honest, after looking at all the 'great' web enabled phones, I went with a Nokia 8890 instead. It's small, light, supports SMS, is GSM so I can use it Europe (where I find myself 3-4 times a year), and looks really cool :) I look at it this way: it's a phone. If I need web access, I'll find an internet cafe and type on a real keyboard, looking at a real screen. I use a phone to make calls. I have a blackberry which has a real, albeit small, keyboard and works perfectly for email. Useless anecdote: A friend got one of the new Sprint PCS phones and about 2 weeks after laughing at me about how I wasn't web enabled and how great it was that he could order from amazon on his phone, he asked to use my phone to make a call. It seems his was too big and heavy to carry around and was sitting on the table at home in the charger. Don't believe the hype. Paul - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 13:12:49 -0500 From: Gary Novosielski Subject: Re: Cordless phones linked to cancer? On 27 Nov 2000 21:33:23 -0500, "Chip G" wrote: >I have seen a lot of news lately about PCS and Cellular phones being linked >to cancer causing effects in the human body and "brain warming". Has anybody >heard/seen anything about regular home cordless phones having similar >effects? Not until just now. In fact, you haven't really seen any "news" on this, though you may think you have. You have seen a lot of unsupported speculation, some of it on television programs erroneously called "news shows". Even those folks who have suffered enough brain damage (from other sources, presumably) to convince themselves that cell phones could conceivably have a physiological effect on human tissue have not, in their wildest rantings, yet suggested that the feeble radio field around a cordless home phone could do so. Let's keep it that way, or next year we may be treated to: "Do hats cause cancer!? Brain warming is key, say critics! Film at eleven!" - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 15:53:57 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? In article <900d0j$f6b$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, wrote: > Linc Madison wrote: > > Not related to your question, but an aside in response to IBM's ads in > > which they ask "Wouldn't it be great" to be able to use your cellphone > > to pay for a soda from a vending machine, I say, no, it would not be > > great. If such a feature is ever offered on my phone, I will demand > > that it be disabled. If they cannot or will not disable it, I will > > switch to a provider that can and will. > > This is not a feature of the phone, as such, it's a feature of > the soda machine. It is already done in some European locations. > The soda machine has a number on it, you call that number, and > it bills you like a 900 or 976 number. That's not how it's been explained to me. My understanding was that it was some sort of infrared or short-range radio signal similar to the over-hyped capability to send text messages to another cellphone across the room. In any case, if I'm buying a $1 can of soda, how much extra will I pay for the privilege of paying with a cellphone? I just see it as a bad idea in general. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 16:17:10 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? Linc Madison wrote: > In article <900d0j$f6b$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, > wrote: >> This is not a feature of the phone, as such, it's a feature of >> the soda machine. It is already done in some European locations. >> The soda machine has a number on it, you call that number, and >> it bills you like a 900 or 976 number. > That's not how it's been explained to me. My understanding was that it > was some sort of infrared or short-range radio signal similar to the > over-hyped capability to send text messages to another cellphone across > the room. Whoever explained it to you was either seriously mistaken, or just making it up. That sending a text message across the room business is also not a short range thing as you seem to think. It uses the regular phone network, really about that same as if you just dialled up the other cell phone and talked directly. I agree, it's a silly example in the commercial with the noisy party, why doesn't the guy just walk over there. > In any case, if I'm buying a $1 can of soda, how much extra will I pay > for the privilege of paying with a cellphone? I just see it as a bad > idea in general. Damned if I know. Presumably the notice on the soda machine will tell you how much. I don't see it as a great idea, but it's not that bad. Like I said, I wouldn't want to be paying the bill for some teenager if this catches on here. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 17:13:52 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 (etymology of chad) Paul Gloger wrote: > Incidentally, all of my experience and all of my dictionaries > suggest that "chad" is inherently plural, like "confetti". So, > until this infernal election, there was not and could not be, e.g., > "a hanging chad." Perhaps "a hanging piece of chad." Sounds like you have the same dictionaries that still consider "data" to be plural. By common usage, both words have been mass nouns since the '60s. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 17:15:53 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Cordless phones linked to cancer? Chip G wrote: > I have seen a lot of news lately about PCS and Cellular phones being linked > to cancer causing effects in the human body and "brain warming". Has anybody > heard/seen anything about regular home cordless phones having similar > effects? All of these are groundless scares. See www.nomorescares.com and www.healthcentral.com. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 17:51:21 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? >From 'Paul Hrisko': >Useless anecdote: A friend got one of the new Sprint PCS phones and about 2 >weeks after laughing at me about how I wasn't web enabled and how great it >was that he could order from amazon on his phone, he asked to use my phone >to make a call. It seems his was too big and heavy to carry around and was >sitting on the table at home in the charger. > >Don't believe the hype. My little Nokia 6185 has a built-in microbrowser, though ;) - -- Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 18:22:48 -0500 From: "Paul Cook" Subject: Re: NEED AUTOMATIC 2-LINE BRIDGE MHarvell@NorthState.net (Michael Harvel) wrote: > Instead of a PIN-based security model, could your > unit use a caller-ID string? For example, if it was > determined that any call from a specific telephone > number was considered a secure transaction. > Sorry it took me so long to respond. No, the SSAL has many tricks, but it does not detect Caller ID. Paul Cook - Applications Engineer pcook@proctorinc.com 425-881-7000, ext 566 Proctor & Associates 15305 NE 95 St Redmond WA 98052-2517 www.proctorinc.com > > > On 31 Oct 2000 17:42:11 -0500, "Paul Cook" > wrote: > > > > >Jack Powers > > >> I'm looking for a device that will answer one line with dial tone > >> from a second line and permit calls out on the second line. > >> It must hang up the second line when the caller on the first > >> one hangs up (determined by silence?). > >> > >> I believe that sutch gadgets used to be popular for indirect access > >> to WATS lines, but I can't find one now. > > > >Sorry for the delay in responding. This was posted five days ago. > > > >We still make the 46300 Secured System Access Line, which does > >this. Of course you'll need some security, as you don't want just > >anyone who stumbles across the number calling in and then > >getting unlimited access to the second line. The 46300 provides > >this security in a variety of ways, primarily via a PIN, which you > >can set anywhere from two to fourteen digits. > > > >It can also be set up (with an optional internal ring generator) > >to ring forward into another device (such as a modem) instead > >of seizing another line once the access code is dialed. > > > >Call or email me for details. > > > > > >Paul Cook - Applications Engineer > >pcook@proctorinc.com > >425-881-7000, ext 566 > > > >Proctor & Associates > >15305 NE 95 St > >Redmond WA 98052-2517 > >www.proctorinc.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 22:37:04 -0500 From: pioneers@iecc.com Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2000 23:40:56 -0500 From: iverson0900@mnjazz.com (Al Iverson) Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? In article <281120001253433836%lincmad001@telecom-digest.zzn.com>, Linc Madison wrote: > In any case, if I'm buying a $1 can of soda, how much extra will I pay > for the privilege of paying with a cellphone? I just see it as a bad > idea in general. That's the great thing about capitalism. Only folks that want it will have to pay for it. Al Iverson - -- Al Iverson - http://www.mnjazz.com/ - Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA My opinions are mine alone unless I indicate otherwise. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #137 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Thu Nov 30 06:18:26 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA29712 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9559 invoked by uid 85); 30 Nov 2000 06:15:17 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 9540 invoked by uid 85); 30 Nov 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Date: 30 Nov 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Message-ID: <20001130111513.9539.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #138 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Thursday, November 30 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 138 In this issue: Yahoo! Mail Announces Encrypted E-Mail Delivery Option Online ad companies hit with privacy suits Verizon DSL installation woes SBC getting poor grades Copyright Act Faces Big Test FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole Pocket lie detector spots phone phonies Online Privacy's New Hot Button: Access Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? Phone Mergers That May Help Competition [none] Verizon Terminates NorthPoint Merger Agreement Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Nov 2000 09:52:06 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Yahoo! Mail Announces Encrypted E-Mail Delivery Option Yahoo! Mail Announces Encrypted E-Mail Delivery Option SANTA CLARA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 29, 2000--Yahoo! Inc. (Nasdaq:YHOO), a leading global communications, commerce and media company, today launched a new encrypted e-mail delivery feature for Yahoo!(R) Mail (http://mail.yahoo.com), one of the Internet's largest and most popular free e-mail services. The new "Send via SecureDelivery.com" feature offers Yahoo! Mail users the option of sending their e-mail messages through ZixIt Corporation's (Nasdaq:ZIXI) SecureDelivery(TM) service. http://www.quote.com/quotecom/news/story.asp?story=18307617 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 10:51:32 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Online ad companies hit with privacy suits Online ad companies hit with privacy suits By Evan Hansen Staff Writer, CNET News.com November 22, 2000, 3:40 p.m. PT Class-action lawyers are raising the heat on Web advertising companies, with charges of online privacy violations flying in a pair of lawsuits filed this week. Web advertisers Avenue A and MatchLogic, an Excite@Home subsidiary, were hit with separate complaints in federal court Monday for allegedly tracking customers without their permission. Both companies declined to comment on the suits. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-3821026.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 13:35:47 -0500 From: Adam Gaffin Subject: Verizon DSL installation woes By Kevin Tolly Network World, 11/27/00 I've written literally hundreds of columns for more than a decade and never wrote one about the trials and tribulations of getting a network service installed. That's because I never before had the pleasure of trying to get DSL from Verizon. Having lived through the failed promise of ISDN, I've been watching xDSL rather closely. While the press has been fairly good on xDSL rollouts, I've been around long enough not to count on a "two-week" installation. So wanting xDSL running in September, I started the process in July. It is November, and I still live in an xDSL-free house. http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2000/1127tolly.html Adam Gaffin Executive Editor, Network World Fusion agaffin@nww.com / (508) 490-6433 "I programmed my robotic dog to bite the guy who delivers the electronic mail." -- Kibo - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 14:21:22 -0500 From: Adam Gaffin Subject: SBC getting poor grades By DAVID ROHDE Network World, 11/27/00 CHICAGO - Roughly a year after its takeover of Midwest incumbent telephone company Ameritech, SBC Communications has little to show for it besides a mounting pile of complaints from consumers, business users, and state and federal regulators. The acquisitive mega-Bell says it is rushing in technicians from other parts of the country to help with service backlogs that it acknowledges piled up over the summer and fall. But many corporate network managers say their own Ameritech account representatives are telling them they've lost influence at SBC's Texas headquarters and can't guarantee when new capacity for T-1 lines and other circuits will be ready. In addition, two key national initiatives that SBC executives insisted would result from its fusion with Ameritech - one for DSL service to users beyond the reach of central offices, the other a promise to compete with the other Bells on their own turf - are off to a very uneven start. http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/1127sbc.html Adam Gaffin Executive Editor, Network World Fusion agaffin@nww.com / (508) 490-6433 "I programmed my robotic dog to bite the guy who delivers the electronic mail." -- Kibo - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 16:49:28 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Copyright Act Faces Big Test Copyright Act Faces Big Test The Digital Millennium Copyright Act may get a makeover early next year that could substantially expand or restrict consumers' rights to content they have purchased. On Wednesday, the U.S. Copyright Office will hold its final mandatory hearings in Washington, D.C. with representatives from the library associations and webcasting, content and digital music industries. At issue is whether the DMCA has properly balanced consumers' rights with copyright-holders' interests since its inception two years ago. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,40378,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 16:51:28 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole WASHINGTON -- Federal regulators will next month likely close a loophole that has allowed some companies to set up telephone centers to carry Internet traffic and reap millions of dollars in fees from regional telephone companies, industry sources said Tuesday. Under the present system, known as reciprocal compensation, established local phone companies like BellSouth Corp. and Verizon Communications have been paying fees to competing telephone carriers for connecting calls, but have not seen a dime in return. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40400,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 16:57:54 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Pocket lie detector spots phone phonies Pocket lie detector spots phone phonies Register staff - and quite a few other hacks we know - were provoked to panic this morning by news that a Korean electronics company will be bringing a deviously efficient portable lie detector to the UK. According to its inventor, Israeli Amir Liebermann, the Handy Truster Emotion Reader plugs into a phone - cellular or land-line - and can spot eight out of ten whoppers. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15086.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 17:02:41 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Online Privacy's New Hot Button: Access Online Privacy's New Hot Button: Access Recently, several commentators have published articles with headlines such as, "Why Privacy is Overrated," questioning why everybody is in such a lather over invasions of privacy long practiced in the offline world. Well, writers may be content to indulge in "privacy-shmivacy" vents, but businesses do not have that luxury. Executives need to act now to ensure their privacy policies are bulletproof--lest they be overtaken by events in Washington that are, by the way, moving at an increasing clip. http://www.business2.com/content/insights/dailyinsights/2000/11/28/23106 http://www.business2.com/content/insights/dailyinsights/2000/11/28/23072 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 17:40:19 -0500 From: stox@zardoz.rd.imagescape.com (Kenneth P. Stox) Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? In article , sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: > My little Nokia 6185 has a built-in microbrowser, though ;) > The first time I read this, I thought it said built-in microbrewer. Which wouldn't be a bad idea. :-) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 19:06:56 -0500 From: Jonathan Seder Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Web vs. Verizon Wireless Web? I use Sprint PCS Wireless Web occasionally. It's great within its limitations. I have the Denso "TouchPoint" 120 phone, but I think the functionality of this phone is similar to all the W.W.-enabled phones. With a $29 data cable, it provides a Hayes-compatible modem that runs at 14.4Kbps. (As far as I can tell, the Wireless Web Connection Kit ($99) adds a null modem and W*nd*ws configuration software to that data cable - - I bought it, but it was a waste for me as I don't use W*nd*ws. The included 9-pin null modem is very nice but not worth $70 to me.) I can plug my Psion 5 or laptop into the data cable and have a complete wireless e-mail and Web browsing solution. I use the Sprint phone to dial into CompuServe. The minutes of connect time count against my monthly allocation of 500 (for $50/month). I use this when I travel. The data rate is low (but adequate for e-mail). I can always be in touch, in any US city, without having to search for a computer or friendly phone jack. I always carry my Psion and my phone with me when I travel anyway. I can send faxes from my Psion but there are glitches... It is possible to type messages in using the phone keyboard. This is extremely tedious, of course. But the phone drops the connection after a minute or two of inactivity, so at least you're typing off-line. And if you don't have a better way of sending a message (say you're on a long public transit commute, or stuck in an airport lounge somewhere) it can be amusing and even useful. It is possible but very painful to use the mini-browser. I have checked stock prices, checked sports scores, and gotten driving directions. It's fun but so tedious as to be impractical. Finally, the phone accepts SMS incoming messages. I use this all the time - I have a Caller ID box hooked up to my home office computer, and I wrote a little program to monitor the serial port data input; when someone leaves a message on my answering machine, my computer sends an e-mail to my telephone giving the incoming phone number, name info, timestamp, and call duration. These messages appear spontaneously as text pages - you don't have to make a Web connection to receive them. I made a one-year commitment, so in addition to my 500 minutes/month with long distance, I can use any of those minutes against web access, and I am allowed 20 free SMS messages per month. It is moderately reliable. Not great, but not bad - maybe 99% uptime? Sometimes SMS messages are delayed by several hours. My phone is dual band, but Web services are available only within the Sprint (digital) service area. Sprint offers considerable technical help to commercial project rollouts, but minimal support to individual developers, as far as I can tell. I hope this is helpful to you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 21:29:31 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Phone Mergers That May Help Competition November 27, 2000 NEW ECONOMY Phone Mergers That May Help Competition By SETH SCHIESEL And now, a cheery holiday message for the nation's underprivileged investment bankers and takeover lawyers: the long- distance communications industry may need more consolidation. After nearly five years of headlong deal making in telecommunications, it now appears that the long-term health of the $80 billion-plus long-distance sector depends largely on even more mergers. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/27/technology/27NECO.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2000 23:39:41 -0500 From: pioneers@iecc.com Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2000 05:18:13 -0500 From: "Cole T. Kracke" Subject: Verizon Terminates NorthPoint Merger Agreement Verizon Terminates NorthPoint Merger Agreement Nov. 29, 2000 Media contact: Peter Thonis, 212-395-2355 David Frail, 212-395-7726 NEW YORK - Verizon Communications Inc. (NYSE:VZ) today terminated its merger agreement with NorthPoint Communications (Nasdaq:NPNT), citing the deterioration in NorthPoint's business, operations and financial condition since Aug. 7 when the two companies agreed to merge their digital subscriber line (DSL) businesses. As a result of this deterioration and the termination of the agreement, Verizon also said that it has no obligation to arrange for NorthPoint to receive additional financing. The merger agreement, which was slated for completion next year, called for the companies to combine their DSL businesses, including selected assets and personnel, to form a national broadband company. Under the terms of the agreement, Verizon's obligation to complete the merger was conditioned upon NorthPoint's business, operations and financial condition each remaining materially the same as they were at the time the agreement was signed. NorthPoint recently reported a continuing decline in revenues, an erosion of its customer base, an increase in expenses due to write-offs for increased bad debt, and, as a result, a material increase in net losses. Verizon said that given the material adverse changes, it has terminated the agreement as permitted under the terms of the contract. Verizon will address the financial impact of the termination of the merger agreement and the steps it is taking to expand outside its current wireline footprint tomorrow, Nov. 30. The company will issue a news release at 8 a.m. Eastern Standard Time and will post it to its Website at www.verizon.com. The company also will hold a conference call at 9 a.m. To listen to the call or view related materials, go to www.verizon.com/investor. Verizon Communications Verizon Communications Inc. (NYSE:VZ), formed by the merger of Bell Atlantic and GTE, is one of the world's leading providers of communications services. Verizon companies are the largest providers of wireline and wireless communications in the United States, with more than 101 million access line equivalents and more than 26 million wireless customers. A Fortune 10 company with more than 260,000 employees and approximately $60 billion in 1999 revenues, Verizon's global presence extends to 40 countries in the Americas, Europe, Asia and the Pacific. For more information on Verizon, visit www.verizon.com . - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2000 05:19:00 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole I know Monty is just posting some of the news some of us otherwise wouldn't see, else I would think this was a troll. The "loophole" was engineered by the local monopoly carriers themselves thinking it would bleed the new competition white since the LECs had many more subscribers and would be terminating the vast majority of calls. That worked for British Telecom in the UK, so there was reason to think it was a good move. What they neglected to take into account was asymmetrical service, which they, themselves, offered (incoming and outgoing trunks). Dialup ISPs were another wrench in the works. If we were still pre Equal Access, they would, by now, have a similar problem with IXCs, probably including their old Ma. They made their bed, let them sleep in it. On 29 Nov 2000 16:51:28 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: >FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole > >WASHINGTON -- Federal regulators will next month likely close a >loophole that has allowed some companies to set up telephone centers >to carry Internet traffic and reap millions of dollars in fees from >regional telephone companies, industry sources said Tuesday. > >Under the present system, known as reciprocal compensation, >established local phone companies like BellSouth Corp. and Verizon >Communications have been paying fees to competing telephone carriers >for connecting calls, but have not seen a dime in return. > >http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40400,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #138 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Fri Dec 1 06:18:49 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA02596 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 06:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12002 invoked by uid 85); 1 Dec 2000 06:15:20 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 11896 invoked by uid 85); 1 Dec 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Date: 1 Dec 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Message-ID: <20001201111513.11895.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #139 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Friday, December 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 139 In this issue: Re: Carnivore Review 11/30/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Nov 2000 16:52:33 -0500 From: howard@ee.elen.utah.edu (Walt Howard) Subject: Re: Carnivore Review Although the report appears to try to be complete and correct, it contains a number of egregious errors which cast doubt on the competence of the authors. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #139 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Sat Dec 2 06:18:31 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA04310 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 06:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8079 invoked by uid 85); 2 Dec 2000 06:15:26 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 7855 invoked by uid 85); 2 Dec 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Date: 2 Dec 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Message-ID: <20001202111513.7854.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #140 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Saturday, December 2 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 140 In this issue: overview of GSM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Dec 2000 14:26:03 -0500 From: j.gozalvez@ieee.org Subject: overview of GSM Hello, Just a quick message to let you know this web site that has a comprehensive technical overview of the GSM system http://www.comms.eee.strath.ac.uk/~gozalvez/gsm/gsm.html Regards, Javier Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #140 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Sun Dec 3 06:18:00 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA03713 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 06:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21957 invoked by uid 85); 3 Dec 2000 06:15:14 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 21876 invoked by uid 85); 3 Dec 2000 06:15:11 -0500 Date: 3 Dec 2000 06:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20001203111511.21875.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #141 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Sunday, December 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 141 In this issue: This is a great site with some very useful software, projects and some Re: Verizon DSL installation woes Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole Re: Verizon Terminates NorthPoint Merger Agreement Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole Help!Partner-Mail R4.0 Help!Partner-Mail R4.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Dec 2000 12:57:53 -0500 From: "Paul Taylor" Subject: This is a great site with some very useful software, projects and some This is a great site with some very useful software, projects and some excellant links to some of the top sites on the net it got to be a must for all those interested or working within the electronics industry. The url is http://www.p5taylor.btinternet.co.uk - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2000 16:29:23 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Verizon DSL installation woes >From 'Adam Gaffin': >Having lived through the failed promise of ISDN Failed? Eh... The one thing Ameritech did right is razor-sharp pricing on ISDN. You can get residential for $37 a month for metered service (73 single-channel calls free per month, I believe, then 8 cents per channel per call past that) or $45 flat-rate. Business ISDN is still per-minute but in Cleveland, there are ways to get around that. However, I wouldn't purchase DSL from Ameritech. - -- Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2000 20:37:55 -0500 From: fgoodwin@yahoo.com (Fred Goodwin, CMA) Subject: Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole John McHarry wrote in : >The "loophole" was engineered by the local monopoly carriers >themselves thinking it would bleed the new competition white since the >LECs had many more subscribers and would be terminating the vast >majority of calls. That worked for British Telecom in the UK, so >there was reason to think it was a good move. What they neglected to >take into account was asymmetrical service, which they, themselves, >offered (incoming and outgoing trunks). Dialup ISPs were another >wrench in the works. If we were still pre Equal Access, they would, >by now, have a similar problem with IXCs, probably including their old >Ma. They made their bed, let them sleep in it. But recip-comp applies to local traffic. Traffic over a dialup call to an ISP is no more "local" than traffic over a FG-A or FG-B dialup to an IXC. Hence recip-comp is not applicable and never has been. - -- ======================================================================== * Fred Goodwin, CMA Dallas Cowboys Training Camp Page * * fgoodwin@yahoo.com http://www.eden.com/~fgoodwin/cowboys.htm * ======================================================================== - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2000 20:37:56 -0500 From: fgoodwin@yahoo.com (Fred Goodwin, CMA) Subject: Re: Verizon Terminates NorthPoint Merger Agreement This should be a "good thing", right? Weren't many complaining about RBOCs eliminating CLEC competition by way of these mergers? - -- ======================================================================== * Fred Goodwin, CMA Dallas Cowboys Training Camp Page * * fgoodwin@yahoo.com http://www.eden.com/~fgoodwin/cowboys.htm * ======================================================================== - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2000 23:14:57 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole >But recip-comp applies to local traffic. Traffic over a dialup call to >an ISP is no more "local" than traffic over a FG-A or FG-B dialup to an >IXC. Hence recip-comp is not applicable and never has been. That's certainly the RBOC party line, although I find few people other than those who work for RBOCs who claim to believe it. When I call my ISP, the call terminates at a modem bank (or the modern equivalent thereof) at the ISP, at which point the ISP extracts packets from the contents of the call and does who knows what with them. It seems to me that if ISP calls aren't "local", then neither are calls to voice mail, since many of the messages are left by callers outside the local area. Why don't we see RBOCs charging FG-A minutes there? (Yes, I know the answer.) - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2000 00:35:38 -0500 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole On 12/02/00, at 11:14pm -0500, John R Levine wrote: >It seems to me that if ISP calls aren't "local", then neither are calls >to voice mail, since many of the messages are left by callers outside >the local area. Why don't we see RBOCs charging FG-A minutes there? >(Yes, I know the answer.) There certainly is a charge when a call is transferred to voice mail, same as call forwarding. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2000 01:25:44 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole >>It seems to me that if ISP calls aren't "local", then neither are calls >>to voice mail, since many of the messages are left by callers outside >>the local area. Why don't we see RBOCs charging FG-A minutes there? >>(Yes, I know the answer.) > There certainly is a charge when a call is transferred to voice > mail, same as call forwarding. Well, actually, I meant when you call to pick up your voicemail. But in any event, the charge for the transfer to incoming voicemail is the same as for any other local call, which around here is free for most customers or if you're a Verizon business customer, one message unit. No FG-A per-minute charges need apply. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2000 02:38:03 -0500 From: cleavon@my-deja.com Subject: Help!Partner-Mail R4.0 Partner-mail yellow,red & green light on after a power failure. Can anyone advise me? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2000 02:38:02 -0500 From: cleavon@my-deja.com Subject: Help!Partner-Mail R4.0 Partner-mail yellow,red & green light on after a power failure. Can anyone advise me? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #141 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Mon Dec 4 06:19:01 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA03898 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11305 invoked by uid 85); 4 Dec 2000 06:15:23 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 11210 invoked by uid 85); 4 Dec 2000 06:15:16 -0500 Date: 4 Dec 2000 06:15:16 -0500 Message-ID: <20001204111516.11209.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #142 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Monday, December 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 142 In this issue: Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole Re: Verizon Terminates NorthPoint Merger Agreement Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Dec 2000 10:57:06 -0500 From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) Subject: Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole In article , Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote: > >But recip-comp applies to local traffic. Traffic over a dialup call to >an ISP is no more "local" than traffic over a FG-A or FG-B dialup to an >IXC. Hence recip-comp is not applicable and never has been. Huh? Where have you been? The FCC has clearly ruled that it is just as local as when you, say, call your neighbor and talk about the election issues happening several states away in Florida. Recip-comp most certainly is applicable and there are CLECs giving lines to ISPs and making all their money on recip-comp. -- Brett - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2000 19:36:40 -0500 From: Mike Stockman Subject: Re: Verizon Terminates NorthPoint Merger Agreement In article , fgoodwin@yahoo.com (Fred Goodwin, CMA) wrote: > This should be a "good thing", right? Weren't many complaining about > RBOCs eliminating CLEC competition by way of these mergers? It would be, but the situation as I've heard it is that Northpoint may not survive without this merger. It could be that NewEnglandTelephoneNynexBellAtlanticVerizon backed out now, penalties and all, so they can pick up Northpoint at fire-sale prices later. As a current Northpoint DSL customer, I'm a little annoyed at the unpredictability, but not at the lost suitor. - ----->Mike - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2000 23:09:40 -0500 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole On 12/03/00, at 1:25am -0500, John R Levine wrote: >>>It seems to me that if ISP calls aren't "local", then neither are calls >>>to voice mail, since many of the messages are left by callers outside >>>the local area. Why don't we see RBOCs charging FG-A minutes there? >>>(Yes, I know the answer.) >>There certainly is a charge when a call is transferred to voice mail, same >>as call forwarding. >Well, actually, I meant when you call to pick up your voicemail. There is also a charge for that, unless it's accessible via a toll-free number. >But in any event, the charge for the transfer to incoming voicemail is >the same as for any other local call, which around here is free for >most customers or if you're a Verizon business customer, one message >unit. No FG-A per-minute charges need apply. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just wait till SBC buys your exchange. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #142 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Tue Dec 5 06:20:19 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA07245 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 101 invoked by uid 85); 5 Dec 2000 06:15:22 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 29921 invoked by uid 85); 5 Dec 2000 06:15:15 -0500 Date: 5 Dec 2000 06:15:15 -0500 Message-ID: <20001205111515.29920.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #143 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Tuesday, December 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 143 In this issue: Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole How about Citizens, anyway? (was Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole) Tele Entry Systems Telecom Update (Canada) #261, December 4, 2000 price cap regulation by state Re: How about Citizens, anyway? (was Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole) Sale of Data Raises Privacy Worries E911: Big Brother's Tracking System 12/4/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Privacy Centers Have Their Eyes on Amazon Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #141 Telecom Issues Internet users win battle to stay secret Where to find Communications Act online? (was Telecom Digest V2000 #141) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Dec 2000 10:23:11 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole >>> There certainly is a charge when a call is transferred to voice >>> mail, same as call forwarding. >> Well, actually, I meant when you call to pick up your voicemail. > There is also a charge for that, unless it's accessible via a > toll-free number. Once again, it's charged as a LOCAL call which around here happens to be free. Please remember that this discussion started with the RBOC claim that calls to ISPs aren't local, even though by any normal standard they are. I was saying that if one can pervert definitions to say that calls to ISPs aren't local because some of what's in the call is transformed into other forms that may be used to communicate with people far away, one should equally be saying the same things about voice mail and lots of other services, but somehow the RBOCs aren't doing that. >>No FG-A per-minute charges need apply. >Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just wait till SBC buys your exchange. I don't think Paul, Bill, their dad, and their grandfather are in any hurry to sell. In the unlikely event that they did, the most plausible buyer would be Citizens which I suppose isn't much better than SBC, even though they have free local calls, too. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2000 11:35:11 -0500 From: Joel B Levin Subject: How about Citizens, anyway? (was Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole) In <90gcss$826$1@xuxa.iecc.com>, johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) wrote: }I don't think Paul, Bill, their dad, and their grandfather are in any }hurry to sell. In the unlikely event that they did, the most }plausible buyer would be Citizens which I suppose isn't much better }than SBC, even though they have free local calls, too. So what's the scoop on Citizens? Our exchanges out here in the desert (modern switches, I think, but lots of antiquated outdoor plant especially for those of us miles from the exchange) are going to Citizens, according to a USWorst, I mean Qworst, repairman I have seen regularly over the past two years. /JBL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2000 15:29:01 -0500 From: "Jenn" Subject: Tele Entry Systems Can anyone refer me to a web site that explains how teleentry systems that use existing phone lines work? Thanks in advance, jenn - -- the web page you have reached http://www.twpyhr.com Over 350 telephone sounds and recordings. The Unofficial Touch Tone Tunes FAQ. The Phoney Dance. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2000 16:21:19 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #261, December 4, 2000 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 261: December 4, 2000 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** CRTC Changes Phone Subsidy Rules ** Rogers Adopts GSM ** Telus Plans DSL Rollout ** Terms Set for LD Competition in Far North ** Six PCS Auction Applicants Approved ** Look Cancels Share Offering ** Videotron to Cut 113 Staff ** New Ad Agencies for Telus ** Rhythms Extends ISP Market Reach ** 360 Lights National Network ** Verizon Cancels NorthPoint Deal ** CRTC Seeks Telecom Industry Data ** Eastern Ontario to Get Broadband Net ** Directory Companies Charged ** Corrections: Bell DSL; Laval Fibre ** Angus Offers Telecom Links ============================================================ CRTC CHANGES PHONE SUBSIDY RULES: Beginning January 1, 2001, all telecommunications service providers in Canada will pay into a national fund to subsidize affordable residential phone service in high-cost areas (Decision 2000-745). This replaces the previous regime, under which long distance carriers alone paid into regional subsidy funds. ** The fee calculation, initially set at 4.5% of gross telecom revenue, will be fine-tuned during 2001 and adjusted annually thereafter. ** Exempted: retail Internet services, paging, and terminal equipment. Providers with less than $10 Million in gross telecom revenues pay nothing. ** If a service bundle includes any contribution-eligible services, fees will be payable on revenue from the entire bundle. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Decisions/2000/DT2000-745e.htm ROGERS ADOPTS GSM: Following the lead of AT&T, Rogers Wireless is transferring its allegiance from TDMA technology (which AT&T originally developed) to the international GSM standard. Rogers will continue to support TDMA phones, but will begin offering GSM phones and GSM wireless packet data across Canada in the second half of 2001. ** Rogers plans to increase wireless data speeds to 384 Kbps in 2002 and introduce Third Generation wireless the following year. ** Japanese wireless giant NTT DoCoMo, an international leader in the adoption of GSM-based Third Generation cellular services, last week purchased 16% of AT&T Wireless for US$9 Billion. TELUS PLANS DSL ROLLOUT: Telus says it will spend $200 Million next year, and another $300 Million by 2005, to make DSL-based high-speed Internet service available to 70% of the population in BC and Alberta. The service will be available to "virtually every home and workplace" in 38 communities. TERMS SET FOR LD COMPETITION IN FAR NORTH: Decision 2000-746 opens long distance competition in Northwestel territory (Northwest Territories, Yukon, Nunavut and part of northern BC) on January 1. It also approves residential off-peak long distance at 10 cents/minute, capped at $25/month for 600 minutes, and a four-year program to extend or upgrade service to unserved and underserved homes. ** The service improvement plan will be funded by local rate increases ($3 residential, $5 business), a 7 cents/minute fee on long distance services in Northwestel territory, and a $15.1 Million subsidy from the national fund being established. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Decisions/2000/DT2000-746e.htm SIX PCS AUCTION APPLICANTS APPROVED: Industry Canada has declared six applicants eligible to participate in the upcoming PCS auction (see Telecom Update #259). Approval for the seventh applicant, Joe Church's W2N, is pending. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05302e.html LOOK CANCELS SHARE OFFERING: Look Communications, which provides Internet access and wireless cable TV, has withdrawn the share offering it announced November 3, citing unfavourable market conditions. The company says it is "currently reviewing its strategic alternatives." VIDEOTRON TO CUT 113 STAFF: Videotron Communications and its TVA broadcasting unit are eliminating 113 staff positions as part of cost cuts ordered by their new owner, Quebecor. Videotron's plans to offer residential phone service appear to have been shelved. (See Telecom Update #260) NEW AD AGENCIES FOR TELUS: Highwood Communications and Ogilvy & Mather have lost the Telus mass media advertising contract. The new agencies are Lanyon Phillips (business), PJDDB (consumer), and Taxi (wireless). RHYTHMS EXTENDS ISP MARKET REACH: DSL provider Rhythms Canada will allow ISPs to use its ATM network to offer service in cities where they have no physical presence. "Virtual Reach" is available now in Toronto and Montreal, and will be extended to Ottawa, Quebec City, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, and Hamilton. 360 LIGHTS NATIONAL NETWORK: 360networks says its fibre network is now operating and carrying commercial traffic between 13 cities from Victoria to Halifax. ** 360networks says that next year it will complete fibre rings in five Canadian cities, 15 U.S. cities, and more than 15 other cities in Europe, South America, and Asia. VERIZON CANCELS NORTHPOINT DEAL: U.S. telco Verizon Communications, which owns 26% of Telus, has terminated its merger agreement with DSL provider NorthPoint Communications, citing "deterioration in NorthPoint's business, operations, and financial condition." ** Greg McCamus, formerly Senior VP at AT&T Canada, has joined NorthPoint Canada as Senior VP of Sales and Marketing. CRTC SEEKS TELECOM INDUSTRY DATA: In June, Ottawa ordered the CRTC to report annually on the status of telecom competition and other issues. The Commission has now issued a Request for Proposal for a company to "establish mechanisms" for collecting the data and to prepare a draft of the first report in 2001. The document may be downloaded, for a fee, from Merx (Solicitation No. 82082-010184/A). Bids are due by January 3. http://www.merx.cebra.com/ EASTERN ONTARIO TO GET BROADBAND NET: Ottawa-based International Datacasting has begun construction of a 45 Mbps fiber link from there to Brockville, in order to bring high- speed wireless-based Internet services to 12 communities in Eastern Ontario. DIRECTORY COMPANIES CHARGED: The Competition Bureau has laid eight charges of misleading advertising against companies and individuals associated with the "Yellow Business Pages" and "Yellow Business Directory." The bureau says it received more than 1,500 complaints about direct mail ads that appeared to be invoices. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ============================================================ JOHN RIDDELL jriddell@angustel.ca Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca 8 Old Kingston Road Tel: 905-686-5050 x226 Ajax Ontario L1T 2Z7 Canada Fax: 905-686-2655 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2000 18:53:41 -0500 From: "Griffith, Burton" Subject: price cap regulation by state Dear Mr. Townson, I'm trying to find information on price cap regulation in the telecom industry, by state. If could direct me to this information, I'd appreciate it. Best regards, Burton C. Griffith Research Associate National Economic Research Associates 1 Front Street San Francisco, CA 94114 tel. (415) 291-1015 fax (415) 291-1020 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2000 20:01:04 -0500 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: How about Citizens, anyway? (was Re: FCC to End Reciprocal Loophole) On 4 Dec 2000 11:35:11 -0500, Joel B Levin wrote: >So what's the scoop on Citizens? Our exchanges out here in the desert (modern >switches, I think, but lots of antiquated outdoor plant especially for those >of us miles from the exchange) are going to Citizens, according to a USWorst, >I mean Qworst, repairman I have seen regularly over the past two years. Citizens is a lot like ALLTEL, mainly acquiring unwanted exchanges from GTE/Verizon (specifically, in Tennessee and California) and others, and eating up the occasional small independent from time to time. Also, IIRC, Citizens is in the process of buying Global Crossing's local phone business -- Frontier. What little I've seen out of Citizens (and unfortunately, I'm probably going to be having a lot more dealings with them in the future :( ) is that they have done quite little beyond what the former owner of their exchanges did plant/switch/service-wise. (In Cookeville, TN, which is a Citizens service area, some operator recordings say "GTE" -- despite the fact that GTE landline has been out of Tennessee for several years now! Getting ISDN [BRI or PRI] in Citizens territory is difficult or impossible, etc.) - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2000 22:06:11 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sale of Data Raises Privacy Worries December 4, 2000 Sale of Data Raises Privacy Worries By SUSAN STELLIN For Internet companies facing the prospect of bankruptcy, the list of assets they can sell to pay off creditors is similar to the assets most companies try to sell when they close up shop: inventory, equipment, real estate, trademarks - and, in many cases, troves of customer information. But customer data like names and addresses, which are bought and sold routinely in the offline world, have become controversial in the online context, as beleaguered Internet companies and their bankruptcy lawyers contemplate which assets they can put on the auction block. The sticking point is the companies' own privacy policies - the very safeguards many Internet companies put in place to reassure customers that their personal information would never be shared with a third party. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/04/technology/04NET.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2000 22:34:11 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System E911: Big Brother's Tracking System Psst, can I let you in on a little secret? Next year, the U.S. government will require millions of citizens to carry a tracking device that can report their location to within a few hundred feet. In the works since 1997, this secret program will begin deployment on October 1, 2001, and should be fully implemented by 2004. By then, most adults will be equipped with these location tracking devices, using advanced GPS and radio direction-finding technology developed by the military. http://www.privacyfoundation.org/commentary/tipsheet.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:47:13 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 12/4/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ____________________________________________________ Wanted: Supplier of premium rate / shared revenue numbers in USA. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2000 23:04:23 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Privacy Centers Have Their Eyes on Amazon Privacy Centers Have Their Eyes on Amazon WASHINGTON - A group of American and European privacy advocates asked their respective governments on Monday to investigate alleged violations of fair trade and data privacy laws at Amazon.com and its British subsidiary. The Electronic Privacy Information Center as well as Junkbusters have asked the Federal Trade Commission to investigate Amazon for "unfair and deceptive trade practices," while London-based Privacy International asked the U.K.'s Data Protection Commissioner to investigate Amazon.co.uk for violations of British data protection law. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,20586,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2000 23:13:59 -0500 From: mrg1995@longisland.com Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #141 Anyone know where to find communications act of 1934 and ammendmentson-line? Im trying to recover alot of money owed to my company for a disconnected telco line that telco has been billing us for for years and we just noticed it. They say tariff limits reimbursement to two years. - -- MRG Associates, Inc. [Worldwide Headquarters] 755 Waverly Avenue Holtsville, New York 11742 631-447-1041 (Voice - Direct Dial) 631-447-1042 (FAX - Private Office) mrg1995@longisland.com (E mail) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 00:30:45 -0500 From: Praveen Rao Subject: Telecom Issues Hello group, I came across this great web site http://kropla.com/ which has good information for world travellers. It has details of telephone jacks, power socket types, etc for various countries around the world. I was wondering if there was a website similar to this which has details of Telecom issues for various countries. Issues like, Analog/ISDN signalling protocols, (eg : different Cadence types, line reversal or wait states etc, and overlap receive or enbloc receive, etc ) , Caller ID signalling (ETSI-FSK, DTMF, etc). Our product is a PABX with analog , ISDN BRA and PRA trunks. Praveen Rao - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 01:17:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Internet users win battle to stay secret Internet users win battle to stay secret Two Internet users have successfully challenged a New Jersey company's efforts to unmask their identities for a defamation lawsuit, and free-speech advocates consider this ruling a major victory in protecting authors of unflattering online messages. The case appears to be the first time anonymous posters have succeeded in blocking a company's request for a subpoena that would have forced a message-board operator, in this instance, Yahoo! Inc., to turn over information that would divulge their identities. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2659940,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 02:14:31 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Where to find Communications Act online? (was Telecom Digest V2000 #141) mrg1995@longisland.com wrote: > Anyone know where to find communications act of 1934 and > [amendments on-line]? All US federal laws and regulations can be found on the web at http://uscode.house.gov/ and http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfr-table-search.html , respectively. Both have search capability. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #143 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Wed Dec 6 06:20:57 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA11757 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 06:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28002 invoked by uid 85); 6 Dec 2000 06:15:21 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 27957 invoked by uid 85); 6 Dec 2000 06:15:15 -0500 Date: 6 Dec 2000 06:15:15 -0500 Message-ID: <20001206111515.27956.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #144 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Wednesday, December 6 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 144 In this issue: Carnivore meta-report released E911: Big Brother's Tracking System Anyone use long distance from PNG ? Re: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System logging data, was: Re: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System can't reach your friend's pager? this might be why: Re: Privacy Centers Have Their Eyes on Amazon Re: can't reach your friend's pager? this might be why: 12/5/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: logging data, was: Re: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System A prepaid phone-card cost-rating system? Secret plan to spy on all British phone calls Re: A prepaid phone-card cost-rating system? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Dec 2000 10:53:11 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Carnivore meta-report released Subject: Carnivore meta-report released Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:38:37 -0500 From: Matt Blaze I've been part of a group of five security researchers (with Steve Bellovin, David Farber, Peter Neumann, and Gene Spafford) who were asked by the Chief Scientist at the Justice Department to identify technical issues with the FBI's "Carnivore" system that should be addressed by an independent review. As readers of this list know, the contractor chosen by DoJ to conduct the review, IITRI, recently released a draft report of its findings. We've studied that report and continue to have serious concerns about Carnivore. Our report, which we've released this morning, can be found at http://www.crypto.com/papers/carnivore_report_comments.html - -matt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 13:51:26 -0500 From: Michael Hartley Subject: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System >Psst, can I let you in on a little secret? Next year, the U.S. >government will require millions of citizens to carry a tracking >device that can report their location to within a few hundred feet. http://www.privacyfoundation.org/commentary/tipsheet.html Fairly old news, and remember real time tracking to originating cell could pin you down to <200m in an urban environment right now- even less if you're making a call on and in-building microcell. This is easily achievable without triangulation or similar over-hyped methodologies on any wireless phone. Third generation phones (and istr CDMA phones generally use location detection as part of the standard. So, there has always been a means of tracking- this is used in criminal investigations but here in the UK the Data Protection Act requires that call information may only be given to the police after a court order. To me, the privacy issue only really becomes an issue if the network is able to track your phone when it's idle (ie not in call) or turned off, and I'm not convinced that the FCCs regulations require *that*. >From a European perspective, the growth of pre-pay mobile price plans has weakened the link between phone number and person to the point where relative anonymity is reasonably easy. It's always worth remembering that in all but a very few cases calls placed from a fixed telephone can already be located to a very high degree of accuracy. Here's the FCC requirement (paraphrased from the site). First, within twelve months after the effective date of the rules, the Commission requires that cellular, broadband Personal Communications Service (PCS), and geographic area Specialised Mobile Radio (SMR) licensees transmit to a Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP), 911 emergency calls from a handset that transmits a Mobile Identification Number (or its functional equivalent) (MIN), without any interception by the carrier for credit checks or other validation procedures. Further, the Commission's action aids PSAP administrators by giving them the discretion to require that cellular, broadband PCS, and geographic area Specialized Mobile Radio (SMR) licensees transmit all 911 calls (including calls from phones that do not transmit a MIN) without any credit checks or validation. Second, beginning twelve months (to be completed by eighteen months) after the effective date of the rules, the Commission requires that cellular, broadband PCS, and geographic area SMR licensees offer certain 911 enhancements. These E911 features include the ability to relay a caller's telephone number, which will provide PSAP attendants the ability to call back the 911 caller if a call is disconnected. Also, carriers must be capable of relaying the location of the base station or cell site receiving a 911 call, which will aid in routing 911 calls to an appropriate PSAP.Within five years after the effective date of the rules, the location of the mobile station must be provided to the PSAP in two dimensions, with an accuracy within a radius of 125 meters in 67 percent of all cases. These E911 requirements will be applicable if a carrier receives a request from the administrator of a PSAP that is capable of receiving and utilizing the information, and there is a mechanism in place for the recovery of costs relating to the provision of such services. Some comments below: >Can E911 be used to track how fast my car is going in order to give me speeding tickets? Not unless the networks are able to track you in real time. Depends on how you interpret the FCCs 'the location of the mobile station must be provided to the PSAP in two dimensions,with an accuracy within a radius of 125 meters in 67 percent of all cases. '- is this real time or only at the initaltion of the call? If real time, how often is it updated? > Will the police use cell phone location information to see who was near a crime scene, such as a bank robbery > or a hit-and-run accident? Only if the law requires ubiquitous real time tracking of all phones at all times, and requires operators to store this information. Also only subject to your country's privacy laws. 'your milage may vary' warning applies here! Existing call records can locate calls to the cell where they were initiated. > Will cell phones become like an airplane "black box" in cars to help insurance companies determine who is at >fault in an accident? No apparent legal requirement, see above. > Will position information about my cell phone be logged all the time by my cell phone company? If so, who gets >to look at this information and under what circumstances? Check the law. Normal locating periods in idle mode are too long to give reasonable real time location information. As for access to records- your milage may vary. > Will it still be possible to determine the position of my cell phone even if it is turned off? ...err just *how* exactly? ;+) What happens if the battery runs down, or if you're out of coverage/satellite LOS? Regards Mike NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including attachments) is confidential. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system without copying or disseminating it or placing any reliance upon its contents. We cannot accept liability for any breaches of confidence arising through use of email. Any opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect our opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warrant the accuracy or completeness of such information. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 14:05:23 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Anyone use long distance from PNG ? I'm looking at PNG, Power Net Global. Cognigen resells them, and I've had good experience with Cognigen in the past. PNG offers 4.9 cpm inbound and outbound with 6 sec billing, 18 sec minimum, reasonable international rates, sort of reasonable in-state rates (but I don't make many in-state toll calls), no PICC on resi lines, 7.94% USF fee. Minimum is $15/mo with $2.50 fee below that. They have other plans, 4.5 cpm with minute rounding or 5.9 cpm with no monthly minumum and slightly lower in-state rates. They offer service in my non-Bell area which most low-cost carriers don't. Underlying IXC appears to be Qwest. Anyone have any experience with them, good or bad? Their web site with more info is http://cognigen.net/png/ - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 15:22:09 -0500 From: Subject: Re: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System Michael Hartley wrote: >>Psst, can I let you in on a little secret? Next year, the U.S. >>government will require millions of citizens to carry a tracking >>device that can report their location to within a few hundred feet. Oh come on! Nobody is "required" to carry a cell phone, let alone have it turned on and charged up. Plus, there is a great deal of doubt that there would be a non-user-initiated way to locate one. > To me, the privacy issue only really becomes an issue if the network is able > to track your phone when it's idle (ie not in call) or turned off, and I'm > not convinced that the FCCs regulations require *that*. >From the quote you posted, it does not appear that they require tracking of idle phones in any way. And, I would suggest that the cell phone companies have no desire to build up large databases of real time tracking data on the off chance that it might be supoenaed. It would cost them a lot of money for no good purpose. > Here's the FCC requirement (paraphrased from the site). > PSAP that is capable of receiving and utilizing the information, and there > is a mechanism in > place for the recovery of costs relating to the provision of such services. And they make it clear this is only required of cellular companies at the request of the local PSAP. And then only if there is a capability for them to use it, and some way to pay for it. In other words, it makes not requirement that there be any more than some mechanism that will locate 2/3rds of the cellular 911 callers within 125 meters. > Some comments below: >>Can E911 be used to track how fast my car is going in order to give me > speeding tickets? > Not unless the networks are able to track you in real time. Depends on how Plus, they don't do this now with other available methods, why would they bother with this one? Also, in the USA, they would have to somehow prove who had possesion of the phone and that who was driving, and prove that is was not really in that train that runs near the highway in question, etc., etc. Not worth the trouble, and the data would not be kept anyway. > you interpret the FCCs 'the location of the mobile station must be provided > to the PSAP in two dimensions,with an accuracy within a radius of 125 meters > in 67 percent of all cases. '- is this real time or only at the initaltion > of the call? If real time, how often is it updated? Since it specifically mentions in in the context of the PSAP, I would contend that there is no tracking required or even desired. It only wants location info when requested by a PSAP for a 911 call. I see no requirement to have stored data whatsoever. >> Will the police use cell phone location information to see who was near a > crime scene, such as a bank robbery > or a hit-and-run accident? Again, from what data? There does not appear to be any requirement to store the information. The cell companies aren't going to store data they don't need unless it is very specifically required. >> Will position information about my cell phone be logged all the time by my > cell phone company? If so, who gets >to look at this information and under > what circumstances? Why would it be logged? The rules as given don't require it, so why would any cell company spend money on the data storage capacity to do it? >> Will it still be possible to determine the position of my cell phone even > if it is turned off? > ...err just *how* exactly? ;+) > What happens if the battery runs down, or if you're out of > coverage/satellite LOS? Exactly. Some rational thought needs to be applied before crying "wolf!" - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 19:15:35 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: logging data, was: Re: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System In <90jgbv$2fh$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> writes: >> To me, the privacy issue only really becomes an issue if the network is able >> to track your phone when it's idle (ie not in call) or turned off, and I'm >> not convinced that the FCCs regulations require *that*. >From the quote you posted, it does not appear that they require tracking >of idle phones in any way. And, I would suggest that the cell phone >companies have no desire to build up large databases of real time tracking >data on the off chance that it might be supoenaed. It would cost them >a lot of money for no good purpose. Celllular companies *already* track your phone location (per cell or micro cell). This is part and parcel of how the network works. Every (nominal) ten minutes your phone pings out to the network which notes down where your phone is. While this is typically a multi square mile range, that's still enough to be very annoying to folk who value privacy. Which I suspect is most of the people reading this newsgroup. With the shrinking of cell sites due to business requirements, and the added position info required by the e-911 regs, the fuzziness gets less and less. AND, these records *ARE* kept. The exact length of time depends on the company and its policies, but it's all too plausable that six months from now someone could plot out a track of where you were *today*. (And even if not online, the records are probably on tape somewhere) So that little trip you made to the movie theater when you called in sick is in your permanent record. Your attendance at the Nader rally is on file. That little assignation while on your lunch break? Don't ask. And this material is part and parcel of standard business records, so they don't even have the limited protection that your phone call detail does. And if a handshake doesn't get the info, subpoenas are readily obtainable on the flimiest of excuses. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 19:17:01 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: can't reach your friend's pager? this might be why: Report: 6th-largest pager company declares bankruptcy and closes The Associated Press 12/5/00 4:57 PM HACKENSACK, N.J. (AP) -- TSR Wireless, which claims to be the nation's sixth-largest pager company, declared bankruptcy and halted business suddenly, leaving millions of pagers without service and 1,700 jobless, according to The Record of Hackensack. [snip] - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 19:35:36 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Privacy Centers Have Their Eyes on Amazon On 4 Dec 2000 23:04:23 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: >Privacy Centers Have Their Eyes on Amazon > >WASHINGTON - A group of American and European privacy advocates asked >their respective governments on Monday to investigate alleged >violations of fair trade and data privacy laws at Amazon.com and its >British subsidiary. > >The Electronic Privacy Information Center as well as Junkbusters have >asked the Federal Trade Commission to investigate Amazon for "unfair >and deceptive trade practices," while London-based Privacy >International asked the U.K.'s Data Protection Commissioner to >investigate Amazon.co.uk for violations of British data protection >law. That is a bit of irony. Isn't Britain's the government that wants to tap everything? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 20:19:58 -0500 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: can't reach your friend's pager? this might be why: On 5 Dec 2000 19:17:01 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom you wrote: >HACKENSACK, N.J. (AP) -- TSR Wireless, which claims to be the nation's >sixth-largest pager company, declared bankruptcy and halted business >suddenly, leaving millions of pagers without service and 1,700 jobless, >according to The Record of Hackensack. The following was posted to alt.cellular yesterday... Message-ID: <3A2C161C.BD1B9CE7@whatever.com> From: some dude <123@whatever.com> Newsgroups: alt.cellular Subject: TSR Wireless gone in 72 hours Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:09:32 -0500 TSR Wireless will be down for good in 72 hours Good luck All Resellers Looks like this poster was right on the money. - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... 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John Nagle danny burstein wrote: > > In <90jgbv$2fh$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> writes: > > >> To me, the privacy issue only really becomes an issue if the network is able > >> to track your phone when it's idle (ie not in call) or turned off, and I'm > >> not convinced that the FCCs regulations require *that*. > > >From the quote you posted, it does not appear that they require tracking > >of idle phones in any way. And, I would suggest that the cell phone > >companies have no desire to build up large databases of real time tracking > >data on the off chance that it might be supoenaed. It would cost them > >a lot of money for no good purpose. > > Celllular companies *already* track your phone location (per cell or micro > cell). This is part and parcel of how the network works. > > Every (nominal) ten minutes your phone pings out to the network which > notes down where your phone is. > > While this is typically a multi square mile range, that's still enough to > be very annoying to folk who value privacy. Which I suspect is most of the > people reading this newsgroup. With the shrinking of cell sites due to > business requirements, and the added position info required by the e-911 > regs, the fuzziness gets less and less. > > AND, these records *ARE* kept. The exact length of time depends on the > company and its policies, but it's all too plausable that six months from > now someone could plot out a track of where you were *today*. > > (And even if not online, the records are probably on tape somewhere) > > So that little trip you made to the movie theater when you called in sick > is in your permanent record. Your attendance at the Nader rally is on > file. That little assignation while on your lunch break? Don't ask. > > And this material is part and parcel of standard business records, so they > don't even have the limited protection that your phone call detail does. > And if a handshake doesn't get the info, subpoenas are readily obtainable > on the flimiest of excuses. > -- > _____________________________________________________ > Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key > dannyb@panix.com > [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2000 00:48:01 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: A prepaid phone-card cost-rating system? There are a variety of plans for prepaid phone card charges; one must often read the "fine print" to see the charges for a particular card. Has anyone ever created a cost-rating system that would show the charges for a particular card? For example, you could have a two-number system: the first number could show you the cost of 10 1-minute calls and the second number would show you the cost of 1 10-minute call. Based on their calling pattern, callers could have some hint which card would give them the best value. Comments? What measurements would be useful to gauge the value/fit of a particular calling card? One aside: I am astonished by the differing values in calling cards. I currently am using a Spring card purchased at Costco; it costs $20 for 480 minutes. I often see cards that are 2x or 3x more expensive than this... - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2000 01:02:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Secret plan to spy on all British phone calls Secret plan to spy on all British phone calls Kamal Ahmed, political editor Sunday December 3, 2000 Britain's intelligence services are seeking powers to seize all records of telephone calls, emails and internet connections made by every person living in this country. A document circulated to Home Office officials and obtained by The Observer reveals that MI5, MI6 and the police are demanding new legislation to log every phone call made in this country and store the information for seven years at a vast government-run 'data warehouse', a super computer that will hold the information. http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,406191,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2000 04:48:50 -0500 From: David Lind Subject: Re: A prepaid phone-card cost-rating system? In article , Phil Earnhardt wrote: > There are a variety of plans for prepaid phone card charges; one must > often read the "fine print" to see the charges for a particular card. > > Has anyone ever created a cost-rating system that would show the > charges for a particular card? For example, you could have a > two-number system: the first number could show you the cost of 10 > 1-minute calls and the second number would show you the cost of 1 > 10-minute call. Based on their calling pattern, callers could have > some hint which card would give them the best value. > > Comments? What measurements would be useful to gauge the value/fit of > a particular calling card? > > One aside: I am astonished by the differing values in calling cards. I > currently am using a Spring card purchased at Costco; it costs $20 for > 480 minutes. I often see cards that are 2x or 3x more expensive than > this... > You likely have one of the better call quality, domestic rate deals, calling cards without redials. I would add a few more parameters. I use the older costco 4.9 MCI as well as Big Zoo and acculinq. Calls completed Call length Payphone surcharges Billing increment Overseas rates Call quality Prepay or post pay Marketing and availability Much of this depends on usage patterns. I know of certain trans-nationals who buy a $20 dollar card and use every minute to call back home overseas. Certain cards target specific countries, and those respective nationals know the best deals. This type of usage is much different than many 1 minute domestic calls to check VM. - -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #144 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Thu Dec 7 06:19:29 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA13804 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8721 invoked by uid 85); 7 Dec 2000 06:15:20 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 8696 invoked by uid 85); 7 Dec 2000 06:15:19 -0500 Date: 7 Dec 2000 06:15:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20001207111519.8695.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #145 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Thursday, December 7 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 145 In this issue: RE: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System Re: logging data, was: Re: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System Re: A prepaid phone-card cost-rating system? Pulling the Zero Re: logging data, was: Re: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System Attention NYC Shoppers & Visitors - Beware of Rip-off SY Stores!!! ...... uYFTgRzwU45 Re: Pulling the Zero 12/6/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: A prepaid phone-card cost-rating system? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Dec 2000 07:06:55 -0500 From: Michael Hartley Subject: RE: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System My apologies, I screwed up quoting in my original post, I was in fact replying to istr Monty's earlier post referring to http://www.privacyfoundation.org/commentary/tipsheet.html which is where the '>Psst, can I let you in on a little secret? Next year, the U.S. government will require millions of citizens to carry a tracking device that can report their location to within a few hundred feet' came from. Back to our regular programming: From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein)writes: In <90jgbv$2fh$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> writes: >>> To me, the privacy issue only really becomes an issue if the network is able >>> to track your phone when it's idle (ie not in call) or turned off, and I'm >>> not convinced that the FCCs regulations require *that*. >>From the quote you posted, it does not appear that they require tracking >>of idle phones in any way. And, I would suggest that the cell phone >>companies have no desire to build up large databases of real time tracking >>data on the off chance that it might be subpoenaed. It would cost them >>a lot of money for no good purpose. >Cellular companies *already* track your phone location (per cell or micro >cell). This is part and parcel of how the network works. That's what I said on my original post. However in GSM in any case the networks don't generally track you to the cell, rather to the location area, a group of cells. Call data records will hold the cellid of the cells where you originate calls. As for the storage requirements, you're dead right. To get meaningful fix you'd be looking at say 15minute intervals as a minimum with an identifier (I forget how many characters in an IMSI, say 14) location field (say 2 six figure intervals) and timestamp (say 6 figures). This gives us around (14+6+6+6)*96 approx 3k per user or 20GB for a 7 million odd subscriber network. Not a *huge* amount of data in the grand scheme of things, but a significant overhead none the less. >Every (nominal) ten minutes your phone pings out to the network which >notes down where your phone is. Very (nominal)- location updating intervals tend to be much longer to keep network signalling load at a manageable level. Varies by network- your mileage may vary. >While this is typically a multi square mile range, that's still enough to >be very annoying to folk who value privacy. Which I suspect is most of the >people reading this newsgroup. With the shrinking of cell sites due to >business requirements, and the added position info required by the e-911 >regs, the fuzziness gets less and less. ..but only if location info is extracted in idle mode or when the phone is off. >AND, these records *ARE* kept. The exact length of time depends on the >company and its policies, but it's all too plausable that six months from >now someone could plot out a track of where you were *today*. Not all the records are kept, operators don't often keep location updating records. Some do, but not as a rule. As for access to private data- that's a legislative issue...'your milage may vary' from country to country. >So that little trip you made to the movie theater when you called in sick >is in your permanent record. Your attendance at the Nader rally is on >file. That little assignation while on your lunch break? Don't ask. Only if your country's privacy laws are so weak as to allow 'them' to access your data, and if it's actually stored in the first place. >And this material is part and parcel of standard business records, so they >don't even have the limited protection that your phone call detail does. They do here. >Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key Couldn't put it better myself. Regards Mike NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including attachments) is confidential. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system without copying or disseminating it or placing any reliance upon its contents. We cannot accept liability for any breaches of confidence arising through use of email. Any opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect our opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warrant the accuracy or completeness of such information. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2000 07:44:55 -0500 From: Thomas Tonino Subject: Re: logging data, was: Re: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System danny burstein wrote: > Celllular companies *already* track your phone location (per cell or micro > cell). This is part and parcel of how the network works. > > Every (nominal) ten minutes your phone pings out to the network which > notes down where your phone is. GSM has a programmable timer for this. It is set to 6 hours on my network. The value can be lower though. It is a kind of keepalive signal. Then when a phone goes from one location area to another, it will contact the network as well. The location areas on my network are quite big. The one I'm in covers the capital to around 10 kilometers out. But the airport is in a different area, and so are other major cities. GSM definitely has multiple cels within a location area. All in all I'm not that worried about a trail existing. I switch the phone on at home, during lunch it does one update, and in the evening I'm home. Not that much info, if it were logged routinely. But then the moment a call is set up a cell is selected and my position is more accurately known of course. And anyone could call me and find out where I am. But switching the phone off would help a great deal here. Thomas - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2000 10:45:03 -0500 From: pete-weiss@psu.edu (Pete Weiss) Subject: Re: A prepaid phone-card cost-rating system? On 6 Dec 2000 04:48:50 -0500, David Lind wrote: ||Calls completed |Call length |Payphone surcharges |Billing increment |Overseas rates |Call quality |Prepay or post pay |Marketing and availability Customer Service Ability to recharge Card Expiration Value Added Features: personal dial number list Call surcharge (similar but different than payphone) Discount rate for multiple card purchases chain-call dialing (and affect on any surcharge) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2000 11:13:18 -0500 From: stevek@shell3.shore.net Subject: Pulling the Zero One of my colleagues is a lexicographer for the Dictionary of American Regional English, and they are examining the use of the word 'pull' with respect to rotary phones. They have a single quote that says "You don't have to pull the 2 and the 5 on Key West numbers-- only the last five numbers." Does anyone else have this sense of pull? If you respond to me (either here--I read this group regularly--or to stevek@shore.net I'll make sure infor- mation is passed on to DARE. If you could include a mention of what part of the US you heard/used this term, that would help. Thanks. - -- - --- Steve K. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2000 18:31:03 -0500 From: "Gail M. Hall" Subject: Re: logging data, was: Re: E911: Big Brother's Tracking System On 5 Dec 2000 19:15:35 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom, you (dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein)) wrote: >Celllular companies *already* track your phone location (per cell or micro >cell). This is part and parcel of how the network works. > The cellular phone companies certainly don't track calls in a way that would help "big brother" or even the police to investigate crimes as well as ordinary hardwired phone companies can. Knowing that, a woman in Ravenna, Ohio, used her cell phone to lure her intended victim to a place so that she could then kidnap the victim and surgically remove the victim's baby from her womb. As soon as the victim was reported missing, the investigation began because the victim was known to have a health problem that might injure her baby if she gave birth without proper medical knowledge of her condition. She was due to give birth at any moment. Phone calls from hardwire lines were checked and the information was in police hands within a day or so. They could verify the husband's conversation with his wife when she told him she was going to show a customer a truck they had for sale. But it took several days to get the cell phone records so they could find out who had called the victim and where the call came from. In that case, the murder probably happened very soon after the call was made and the victim was in the culprit's house, so finding the person who made the call right away might not have saved her life. But it would have saved the victim's family days and days of agony. The murderer killed herself when she realized the police had decided she was a serious suspect. In other kidnap cases, finding the information and location of a criminal caller might mean the difference in life and death for a victim of crime. I do think that there should be a button available on cellular phones that a person could press in an emergency to more accurately locate the person who is in need of emergency help. Most honest people would consider that a feature and would not object to having such a feature. Ideally, an "emergency" signal would then put the cell phone in a more frequent sending mode but use up less power than an actual voice conversation would. People could call 911, even got off the phone as needed and keep the signal going if they had to also attend to victims of an accident or escape from a criminal, whatever. - -- Gail from Ohio - -- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2000 23:37:03 GMT From: Veteran_NYC_Shopper@eboaghmcqn.net Subject: Attention NYC Shoppers & Visitors - Beware of Rip-off SY Stores!!! ...... uYFTgRzwU45 SY stores have been around for about 50 years or so and have only one objective - TO RIP YOU OFF! - - They are a constant source of frustration for the NYC Department of Consumer Affairs, which has been trying to close them down for as long as I can remember. SY's are the most ruthless merchants in New York. I should know, I once worked as a stock clerk for one of them. - - The term "SY" refers to the ethnicity of the shopkeepers. They come from a small and isolated region of Syria, where for centuries a cult of swindlers has flourished. Approximately 60 years ago, they started to emigrate to the U.S. and setup shop along Broadway at Times Square and later moved to some of the less desirable locations along 5th Avenue. - - Not surprisingly, SY stores are usually found in areas frequented by tourists. - - You can always spot an SY store by the odd assortment of merchandise. Radios, cameras and other assorted electronics on one side of the shop and on the other; jade, ivory carvings, tablecloths, porcelain figurines, oriental carpets, etc. - - SY stores are singular in their objective... To extract as much money from the customer as possible, *buy virtually any means at all*. There is no set price in an SY store. The salesman keeps 1/3 to 1/2 of the profit on everything he sells (which is a strong incentive to overcharge) and overcharge he will! It is not unusual for these merchants to charge upwards of 500 - 1000% profit on an item, while leading you to believe that you're actually getting a bargain (which is the cornerstone of their craft). - - These merchants are masters of deception and one should not try to match wits with them. This is their lifelong profession... they've been doing it for generations and most Americans are simply out of their league when it come to trickery, deceit and high-pressure sales tactics. - - A couple of things that might clue you in to the fact that you may stumbled into an SY store: - - If the staff speaks to one another in code words or in a language that you don't recognize... if the words "Lot" or "C-Line" are used frequently in reference to a specific item... if the price tag is marked with a price that is demonstrably higher then it's being offered to you for, then chances are your in an SY store. - - JUST LEAVE! 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They have a single quote that says "You > don't have to pull the 2 and the 5 on Key West numbers-- > only the last five numbers." > > Does anyone else have this sense of pull? > > If you respond to me (either here--I read this group > regularly--or to stevek@shore.net I'll make sure infor- > mation is passed on to DARE. If you could include a mention > of what part of the US you heard/used this term, > that would help. > > Thanks. > > -- > --- Steve K. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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In article , Phil Earnhardt wrote: > There are a variety of plans for prepaid phone card charges; one must > often read the "fine print" to see the charges for a particular card. > > Has anyone ever created a cost-rating system that would show the > charges for a particular card? Yes, Ld.net (Cognigen) has a best rate calculator including minutes and destination for the cards they sell. abelltolls.com has an extensive list of calling cards and a rating system. Note: Most comparison sites are agents for some or all of the cards sold. - -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #145 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Fri Dec 8 06:20:30 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA15491 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23602 invoked by uid 85); 8 Dec 2000 06:15:29 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 23423 invoked by uid 85); 8 Dec 2000 06:15:14 -0500 Date: 8 Dec 2000 06:15:14 -0500 Message-ID: <20001208111514.23422.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #146 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Friday, December 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 146 In this issue: FlashCom / Northpoint DSL contract problems? FlashCom / Northpoint DSL contract problems? Re: Anyone use long distance from PNG ? NYTimes.com Article: Have My Answering Machine Call Your Answering Machine Re: NYTimes.com Article: Have My Answering Machine Call Your Answering Machine Re: FlashCom / Northpoint DSL contract problems? Re: FlashCom / Northpoint DSL contract problems? ANI incorrect on cell calls Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls Harrassing calls Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls Re: Harrassing calls Re: Pulling the Zero 12/7/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Pulling the Zero Re: Pulling the Zero Re: Pulling the Zero ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Dec 2000 07:50:02 -0500 From: Thomas_Hinders@lotus.com Subject: FlashCom / Northpoint DSL contract problems? I live beyond standard Verizon / Bell Atlantic DSL service here in Pottstown PA, no Internet cable modem either. I have been in the queue for DSL (actually I-DSL) service with Flashcom since Sept. Tomorrow the LAST step of the process was due to be completed, with the installation of the DSL equipment in my home. In fact the "Copper Rocket" I-DSL modem is sitting here. At 5:45 today I was contacted and told tomorrow's scheduled installation was cancelled because of "network problems" The Flashcom 800 numbers terminated with a "we are too busy to take your call please call back later". I finally (by dialing by last name) got a human who informed me that Flashcom was "renegotiating with Northpoint and their carriers" and I should consider "choosing another carrier". So I dumped Flashcom. Stuck here..................any suggestions? Thomas Hinders Technical Account Manager / SE - New York Lotus Development Corp / An IBM Company Phone: 610-578-2565 Fax: 610-970-5633 Internet: thomas_hinders@lotus.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 07:50:03 -0500 From: Thomas_Hinders@lotus.com Subject: FlashCom / Northpoint DSL contract problems? I live beyond standard Verizon / Bell Atlantic DSL service here in Pottstown PA, no Internet cable modem either. I have been in the queue for DSL (actually I-DSL) service with Flashcom since Sept. Tomorrow the LAST step of the process was due to be completed, with the installation of the DSL equipment in my home. In fact the "Copper Rocket" I-DSL modem is sitting here. At 5:45 today I was contacted and told tomorrow's scheduled installation was cancelled because of "network problems" The Flashcom 800 numbers terminated with a "we are too busy to take your call please call back later". I finally (by dialing by last name) got a human who informed me that Flashcom was "renegotiating with Northpoint and their other carriers" and I should consider "choosing another carrier". So I dumped Flashcom. Stuck here..................any suggestions? Reply directly to me and I will summarize and re-post Thanks and Happy Holidays! thomas_hinders@lotus.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 09:20:36 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Anyone use long distance from PNG ? In article <20001205190522.26915.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com>, John R. Levine wrote: > I'm looking at PNG, Power Net Global. Cognigen resells them, and I've > had good experience with Cognigen in the past. > > PNG offers 4.9 cpm inbound and outbound... [etc.] > > They offer service in my non-Bell area which most low-cost carriers > don't. Underlying IXC appears to be Qwest. > > Anyone have any experience with them, good or bad? Their web site > with more info is http://cognigen.net/png/ [Apologies if this is a repost; my first reply hasn't shown up on my news server yet.] I had absolutely HORRENDOUS experiences with PNG. To say that they're mismanaged is a colossal understatement -- they appear to have an absolute policy forbidding the employment of anyone competent at any level of the operation, from the corporate officers on down to the bottom rung. I originally signed up for an 800 number from PNG through a reseller (Hospitality Services Group, which may or may not still exist). They hooked me up and started billing me the $3 monthly minimum. The only thing was, they still hadn't told me what my 800 number was. I called repeatedly on their customer "service" number, getting their voicemail even during their alleged business hours. Most times, the voicemail was full and wouldn't even accept a message; the messages I was able to leave were completely ignored. No one ever made any attempt to return my call or contact me in any way. I finally managed to reach a live human being, who was able to punch up my records in the computer and tell me my 800 number. Everything then went smoothly for several weeks. One day, I called my own 800 number. Instead of my own answering machine, I reached a housewife in Pennsylvania; she was as surprised as I was to hear that I had dialed my 800 number and reached her, but she had recently signed up for an 800 number. I called PNG and demanded that they put my 800 number back to my line and assign a new number for the other customer. They did, and apologized for the confusion and assured me that it wouldn't happen again. However, it did happen again. This time, I reached some housewife in the Dakotas somewhere. I left my work number as a contact point for PNG's techs to reach me; they proceeded to point my 800 number there, in spite of my crystal clear instructions to the contrary. After a few other assorted difficulties, I finally switched to a different carrier, and kissed PNG goodbye forever, or so I thought. First off, I complained about their incompetence here in Telecom Digest, which provoked a reply from the president of the company. Rather than dealing with any of my complaints, he simply called me a liar and denied that I ever had an account. (HSGC200070, for the record.) Then, earlier this year, more than three years after I cancelled my account with them, I received yet another bill for that $3 monthly minimum. I contacted the Ohio BBB. Let me make this very clear: YOUR SANITY DEPENDS ON STAYING *AWAY* FROM POWER NET GLOBAL. They might be okay if the reseller handles *ALL* customer interaction, billing, administrative, AND technical, but I still wouldn't risk it. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 10:35:02 -0500 From: itsamike@yahoo.com Subject: NYTimes.com Article: Have My Answering Machine Call Your Answering Machine This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by Mike Pollock itsamike@yahoo.com. Telecom Digest Famous last words: Don't archive this. Mike Pollock itsamike@yahoo.com /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ LOOKING FOR A TRULY HIGH-SPEED INTERNET EXPERIENCE? Then visit Alcatel.com and see what makes us the world's leading supplier of DSL solutions. Alcatel, world leader in DSL solutions. http://www.nytimes.com/ads/email/alcatel/index.html \----------------------------------------------------------/ Have My Answering Machine Call Your Answering Machine http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/07/technology/07GEE2.html December 7, 2000 By CATHERINE GREENMAN People have so many phone numbers these days that it's more likely that you'll get voice mail when you call someone rather than an actual person. Now a new service called SoundBite, which lets you record voice messages to be sent to other people, is creating new possibilities for people who want to communicate via phone without ever speaking to one another. Described by the company's chief executive, John McDonough, as "e-mail for the phone," SoundBite lets callers dial a single toll-free number (800) SOUNDBITE record a message and send it to someone by entering the phone number on the keypad. The recorded message can be played for the recipient when he or she picks up the phone. Or it can be sent straight to the recipient's answering machine. SoundBite also has an address book, which can be programmed over the phone or online (www.soundbite.com) to store people's names and phone numbers. Once the address book is set up, the caller can leave a message and just say a recipient's name without having to dial the number. The address book also lets the caller say a group name, like "book club," to send the same voice-mail message to several different people. The messages are sent immediately. If the recipient has no voice mail or answering machine, SoundBite will try the number three more times during the subsequent half-hour. Advertising supports the service, so just as an e-mail message from a free e-mail service contains advertising tags at the end of the message, SoundBite recipients hear a brief ad after the message is played. The recipient can also send a recorded response back to the caller, or forward the message to someone else. Phone tag, anyone?    The New York Times on the Web http://www.nytimes.com /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ HOW TO ADVERTISE - --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2000 The New York Times Company - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 11:21:30 -0500 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Have My Answering Machine Call Your Answering Machine On 12/07/00, at 10:35am -0500, Mike Pollock wrote: >This article from NYTimes.com >has been sent to you by Mike Pollock itsamike@yahoo.com. >Telecom Digest >Famous last words: Don't archive this. >/-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Uh, Mike? Have you heard of a concept called "editing"? Don't forward articles from nytimes.com to the Digest. Extract the articles themselves so we don't have to see all of the boilerplate, not to mention the ads. You've done this repeatedly; cut it out. Can the robomoderator be set to reject nonsense like this? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 12:22:21 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: FlashCom / Northpoint DSL contract problems? >From 'Thomas_Hinders@lotus.com': >I live beyond standard Verizon / Bell Atlantic DSL service here in >Pottstown PA, no Internet cable modem either. > >I have been in the queue for DSL (actually I-DSL) service with Flashcom >since Sept. > >Tomorrow the LAST step of the process was due to be completed, with the >installation of the DSL equipment in my home. > >In fact the "Copper Rocket" I-DSL modem is sitting here. > >At 5:45 today I was contacted and told tomorrow's scheduled installation >was cancelled because of "network problems" > >The Flashcom 800 numbers terminated with a "we are too busy to take your >call please call back later". > >I finally (by dialing by last name) got a human who informed me that >Flashcom was "renegotiating with Northpoint and their carriers" and I >should consider "choosing another carrier". > >So I dumped Flashcom. >Stuck here..................any suggestions? Call Covad or Northpoint or Rhythms directly, perhaps? or.. drop em an e-mail with a phone number and address and I'll prequal you. Keep in mind that Verizon owns the last mile of copper, and they have had lots of issues with DSL (as has Ameritech/SBC here), so you may have problems no matter who you use. - -- Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 12:38:22 -0500 From: "John B. Hines" Subject: Re: FlashCom / Northpoint DSL contract problems? Thomas_Hinders@lotus.com wrote: >I finally (by dialing by last name) got a human who informed me that >Flashcom was "renegotiating with Northpoint and their carriers" and I >should consider "choosing another carrier". Yes, they are causing NP lots of financial problems, including the failure of a recent merger offer. >So I dumped Flashcom. > >Stuck here..................any suggestions? No, my ISP, another NP reseller, stopped offering residential DSL altogether. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 13:35:35 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: ANI incorrect on cell calls In a.c, Mike Thaler reported that calling one of the ANI numbers given resulted in the computer reading back a phone number in AC 626. His cell phone isn't in AC 626. Calling 800 346-0152 from my landline phone gave me the right number. Calling from my cell phone, I got 216 360-0003. That's not even a cellular prefix. 216-360 is served off a CO southeast of town, the same CO that services Alltel's wireless NOC/call center/corporate office in Warrensville Heights, if I recall correctly. Interesting. Anyone know why ANI apparently doesn't work for cellular calls? - -- Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 14:56:28 -0500 From: Paul Robichaux Subject: Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls In article , sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) wrote: >Interesting. Anyone know why ANI apparently doesn't work for cellular >calls? When I try the ANI number with my Powertel (GSM) phone, I get 901-259-xxxx, even though I'm not in Memphis. Apparently P'tel is funneling calls from my cell area (256-337-xxxx) air-to-air from here to Memphis, then putting them on the PSTN. I note that when I call FedEx's automatic drop-box locator, it always wants to give me locations in Memphis instead of where I am, and this is why. However, I get correct CLID on local calls, and that's most important to me (after all, calling 911 and having them think I'm in Memphis would be pretty inconvenient). - -- Paul Robichaux Robichaux & Associates NT & Exchange deployment, planning, and consulting - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 15:12:31 -0500 From: clive2@dvorak.amd.com Subject: Harrassing calls For over a week I have been receiving a single daily call from the same source, at about the same time of the morning. Upon answering, the other end hangs up. The caller ID info is curious: The name portion shows "Out of Area", but the number portion shows 706-481-0531. I have had no luck in identifying who or what is on the other end of this call, and/or who owns this phone number, except for the fact that it is coming from Augusta, Georgia. The reverse searches I've tried yield no info. Any suggestions or explanation of the Caller-ID info would be appreciated. Thanks! Clive Dawson Austin, TX - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 16:02:43 -0500 From: Victor R Pirozzolo Subject: Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls Steve Sobol wrote: > > In a.c, Mike Thaler reported that calling one of the ANI numbers given > resulted in the computer reading back a phone number in AC 626. His cell phone > isn't in AC 626. > > Calling 800 346-0152 from my landline phone gave me the right number. > Calling from my cell phone, I got 216 360-0003. That's not even a cellular > prefix. 216-360 is served off a CO southeast of town, the same CO that > services Alltel's wireless NOC/call center/corporate office in Warrensville > Heights, if I recall correctly. > > Interesting. Anyone know why ANI apparently doesn't work for cellular calls? > > -- > Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET > North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net > JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net > mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. Odds are you're getting the billing telephone number (BTN) of the trunk group from the cellular switch to the local telcos access tandem. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 16:02:58 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls >Interesting. Anyone know why ANI apparently doesn't work for cellular calls? I gather that many cell carriers are attached to the wireline network like large PBXes with the cell phones analogous to DID extensions. They're set up to pass CLID (plenty of PBXes can do that if they're configured correctly) but you get the ANI of the outgoing trunk. My cell carrier does this (Cell One of upstate NY, owned by SBC, uh, Cingular.) The CLID works fine, so when I call my dialaround long distance carrier it knows who I am and I don't have to enter an account code. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 16:37:46 -0500 From: David Lind Subject: Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls In article , sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) wrote: > In a.c, Mike Thaler reported that calling one of the ANI numbers given > resulted in the computer reading back a phone number in AC 626. His cell phone > isn't in AC 626. > > Calling 800 346-0152 from my landline phone gave me the right number. > Calling from my cell phone, I got 216 360-0003. That's not even a cellular > prefix. 216-360 is served off a CO southeast of town, the same CO that > services Alltel's wireless NOC/call center/corporate office in Warrensville > Heights, if I recall correctly. > > Interesting. Anyone know why ANI apparently doesn't work for cellular calls? > No, but I ran my Verizon number (510). Guess that is why no PIN calling cards don't work on Verizon/GTE. A bit more info... Searching for area code 626, prefix 656: Area Code: 626 Prefix: 656 Location: ALHAMBRA [CA.] Other Info: CLEC - -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 16:54:10 -0500 From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich) Subject: Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls In article , Paul Robichaux wrote: >In article , >sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) wrote: > >>Interesting. Anyone know why ANI apparently doesn't work for cellular >>calls? > >When I try the ANI number with my Powertel (GSM) phone, I get >901-259-xxxx, even though I'm not in Memphis. Apparently P'tel is >funneling calls from my cell area (256-337-xxxx) air-to-air from here to >Memphis, then putting them on the PSTN. I note that when I call FedEx's >automatic drop-box locator, it always wants to give me locations in >Memphis instead of where I am, and this is why. > >However, I get correct CLID on local calls, and that's most important to >me (after all, calling 911 and having them think I'm in Memphis would be >pretty inconvenient). This is yet another sign of the fact that (for better or worse) ANI and CLID, although superficially equivalent, use completely different implementations and underlying data. paul - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 19:44:08 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Harrassing calls On 7 Dec 2000 15:12:31 -0500 clive2@dvorak.amd.com wrote: > For over a week I have been receiving a single daily call from the > same source, at about the same time of the morning. Upon answering, > the other end hangs up. The caller ID info is curious: The name > portion shows "Out of Area", but the number portion shows > 706-481-0531. > > I have had no luck in identifying who or what is on the other end > of this call, and/or who owns this phone number, except for the fact > that it is coming from Augusta, Georgia. The reverse searches I've > tried yield no info. > > Any suggestions or explanation of the Caller-ID info would be appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Clive Dawson > Austin, TX That's a fairly common occurence. Only the calling number, including area code, is actually transmitted from the origin to the destination CO. The destination CO then does a lookup in the database for its company and other telcos it shares database information with. If the number is not in a database it has access to, "out-of-area" is displayed since it has no name to associate with that number. When this is displayed for a local number, I wonder if it originates with an alternative local service provider which does not share its database information. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 20:29:09 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero >On 6 Dec 2000 11:13:18 -0500 stevek@shell3.shore.net wrote: >> One of my colleagues is a lexicographer for the >> Dictionary of American Regional English, and they are >> examining the use of the word 'pull' with respect to >> rotary phones. They have a single quote that says "You >> don't have to pull the 2 and the 5 on Key West numbers-- >> only the last five numbers." >> >> Does anyone else have this sense of pull? I've never heard it before, but it makes sense. Pulling a dial around against the spring was more work than just _mashing_ the buttons. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:44:35 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 12/7/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ____________________________________________________ ICB REGISTRANTS: Help us improve ICB and you can save $50. Please take a few minutes to answer the questions at the link below. Our goal is to continue fine tuning ICB to increase its value to you. To thank you for your time and participation use the special code of CCXX to get $50 off a new subscription to ICB Premium. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2000 23:26:56 -0500 From: Dominic Richens Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero wrote in message news:90lmrp$h6d@shell3.shore.net... > One of my colleagues is a lexicographer for the > Dictionary of American Regional English, and they are > examining the use of the word 'pull' with respect to > rotary phones. They have a single quote that says "You > don't have to pull the 2 and the 5 on Key West numbers-- > only the last five numbers." > > Does anyone else have this sense of pull? Never used the term myself, so it ain't Montreal/Ottawa regional slang. Make sense considering the brute force required to operate rotatry phones. Used to get sore fingers doing crank calls as a kid :-). Common venacular where I grew up was "crank", as in "you gotta crank '1' before the number coz it's long distance". And of course "dial" verbism which is pretty universal English. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2000 01:26:08 -0500 From: "Gail M. Hall" Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero On 7 Dec 2000 23:26:56 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom, you (Dominic Richens ) wrote: > wrote in message >news:90lmrp$h6d@shell3.shore.net... >> One of my colleagues is a lexicographer for the >> Dictionary of American Regional English, and they are >> examining the use of the word 'pull' with respect to >> rotary phones. They have a single quote that says "You >> don't have to pull the 2 and the 5 on Key West numbers-- >> only the last five numbers." >> >> Does anyone else have this sense of pull? > I had never heard it, but again the idea makes sense because you are pulling or pushing the little thingie all the way to the little bar on the dial before you let go. >Never used the term myself, so it ain't Montreal/Ottawa regional slang. Make >sense considering the brute force required to operate rotatry phones. Used >to get sore fingers doing crank calls as a kid :-). Common venacular where >I grew up was "crank", as in "you gotta crank '1' before the number coz it's >long distance". And of course "dial" verbism which is pretty universal >English. "Crank" was what I grew up with, but that didn't refer to a dial telephone. It was the phone hanging on the wall that had a handle on the side of the phone that you "cranked" around and around to run the generator that put the electricy into the line so the phones on that line would ring. If you didn't crank it hard enough, the ring might not ring or it would be weak. We had a thread about crank phones here a while back. Just as people called refrigerators "ice boxes" long after they were electrified and did not have big blocks of ice in them, people still used words like "crank" to dial the phone, and we still say "dial" when we are just pressing buttons. We have "dial-up" ISP service when we don't "dial" anything. We click the mouse or press some keys on our computers and the modem does the "dialing." - -- Gail from Ohio who grew up in the far west - -- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2000 02:27:28 -0500 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero In <6hs03tc6n6coeedv039960ufdm63ruv64f@4ax.com>, "Gail M. Hall" wrote: }> wrote in message }>news:90lmrp$h6d@shell3.shore.net... }>> Does anyone else have this sense of pull? } }I had never heard it, but again the idea makes sense because you are }pulling or pushing the little thingie all the way to the little bar on the }dial before you let go. I have heard of it, and I think it was right here. Perhaps a search back a couple of years in this digest's archive can locate a discussion. The topic may have been the (apparently mythical) reason behind the assignment of certain area codes to certain large cities. /JBL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #146 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Sat Dec 9 06:19:48 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA16091 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 06:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22720 invoked by uid 85); 9 Dec 2000 06:15:19 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 22658 invoked by uid 85); 9 Dec 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Date: 9 Dec 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Message-ID: <20001209111513.22657.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #147 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Saturday, December 9 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 147 In this issue: Re: Pulling the Zero Re: Pulling the Zero Re: Pulling the Zero Re: How would you punish this Tennessee boy? Re: Pulling the Zero Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] 12/8/00 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES help in telephone systems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Dec 2000 09:40:40 -0500 From: "Dean Forrest Wright" Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero >Date: 6 Dec 2000 11:13:18 -0500 >From: stevek@shell3.shore.net >Subject: Pulling the Zero >One of my colleagues is a lexicographer for the >Dictionary of American Regional English, and they are >examining the use of the word 'pull' with respect to >rotary phones. They have a single quote that says "You >don't have to pull the 2 and the 5 on Key West numbers-- >only the last five numbers." >Does anyone else have this sense of pull? To the best of my knowledge, the term "pull" is pre-divestiture (probably 1950s era) Bell System vernacular. I have seen this in 50s era Bell Publications like Notes on the Network and the Bell Labs engineering series. Pull referred to the number of times the caller had to pull the rotary dial to reach a given number. The usual use of the term was "dial pulls." In the example Steve stated, it was necessary to dial 5 digits, so five "dial pulls" would have been required. Today most calls (if you still have a rotary dial telephone) require 7, 10, or 11 dial pulls. The following provides some further information on some of the previous responses in this thread regarding assignment of area codes: Since all are codes were (and are) three digits in length, three pulls were required for all area codes. At the time area codes were assigned and introduced, nearly all local and toll telephone equipment utilized rotary pulse signaling to convey telephone numbers. In an attempt to maximize efficiency and reduce wear on the mechanical switching equipment, great care was given to assigning area codes. Codes for areas which were expected to receive high volumes of calls were assigned codes which had the lowest possible number of total pulses in the required three dial pulls. New York City was thus assigned the area code (212) with the least possible number of pulses (5). This continued with Los Angeles (213) and Chicago (312) at 6 pulses and systematically outward to the less populous areas. For example, the less populous Mountain States mostly got codes that required 20 pulses (Montana 406, Idaho 208, Wyoming 307, New Mexico 505). States initially assigned a single area code got an assignment with a zero as the middle digit. State initially assigned multiple area codes got codes with a one as the middle digit. There was a method to the madness! The specific quote about Key West Numbers probably refers to the old 2L-5N (Two-Letter, Five-Number) numbering scheme, which used a (usually, but not always) fictional central office name to denote the first two digits of the office code plus one digit for the third. A made-up example for this case would be a number listed as CLearwater 2-3456 (252-3456). An excellent web site with both explanatory and historical information is The Telephone Exchange Name Project at: http://ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html Dean Forrest Wright, P.E. Telecommunications (Central Office Equipment) Engineer Personalized Consulting for Problems Large and Small "When one lacks a sense of awe, there will be disaster" - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2000 09:43:39 -0500 From: Rod Sladen Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero In article <90lmrp$h6d@shell3.shore.net>, stevek@shell3.shore.net wrote: > One of my colleagues is a lexicographer for the > Dictionary of American Regional English, and they are > examining the use of the word 'pull' with respect to > rotary phones. They have a single quote that says "You > don't have to pull the 2 and the 5 on Key West numbers-- > only the last five numbers." > > Does anyone else have this sense of pull? The telecom archives at http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/telecom- archives/archives/history/numbering.plans.1950-80 shows several instances of the use of the term "pull" relating either to the actual operation of the dial: "The presence of a "1" in the third-pull [of the dial] would alert the dial office to expect 8 digits" "All eight digits would be pulled out on the dial by a calling party from a dial central office." or to the finger hole in the dial: "Since J and L are in the same pull [of the dial, namely the '5']" "for several years, dials were manufactured with a 'Z' in the tenth [zero] pull" The words "dial" and "pull" are also used in combination as "dialpull": "In addition to 2L-5N seven dialpull numbers, the Los Angeles metro area also had mixed six dialpull 2L-4N numbers." Incidentally, I have not encountered the term "pull" with this meaning in Btirish usage. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2000 10:46:08 -0500 From: varney@ihgp2.ih.lucent.com (Al Varney) Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero In article <200012081427.HAA23661@cu.imt.net>, Dean Forrest Wright wrote: >>Date: 6 Dec 2000 11:13:18 -0500 >>From: stevek@shell3.shore.net >>Subject: Pulling the Zero > >>One of my colleagues is a lexicographer for the >>Dictionary of American Regional English, and they are >>examining the use of the word 'pull' with respect to >>rotary phones. They have a single quote that says "You >>don't have to pull the 2 and the 5 on Key West numbers-- >>only the last five numbers." > >>Does anyone else have this sense of pull? > >To the best of my knowledge, the term "pull" is pre-divestiture (probably >1950s era) Bell System vernacular. I have seen this in 50s era Bell >Publications like Notes on the Network and the Bell Labs engineering >series. A specific reference I have handy is in the 1952 Bell System Technical Journal, page 828, "Nationwide Automatic Switching": "These problems involve the extent to which customers wish to dial long distance calls, requiring 10 pulls of the dial, the accuracy of dialing, the treatment of wrong numbers, provision for giving subscribers information regarding telephone numbers in distant cities, information on charges and many other questions." Note that all of the referenced items have undergone evolution, and most folks probably assume they always existed. The "10 pulls" referred to DDD in the days before "1+" became established as the way to get to a long-distance-capable switch from a Step-by-Step switch -- and prior to removal of the distinction of Area Codes from Office Codes by the second digit being a '0' or '1'. I'm sure there are much earlier references to this. Will make for pleasant lunch hour in the library downstairs. Al Varney - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2000 11:12:32 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Re: How would you punish this Tennessee boy? [this was originally posted as part of a thread in: alt.appalachian,misc.emerg-services,misc.kids,alt.cellular I'm separately forwarding it into comp.dcom.telecom due to some questions it raises. ] (I responded to Ken as follows:) >In <3A308A8E.2D689E86@ix.netcom.com> "Ken M." writes: >>COLUMBIA, Tenn. (APBnews.com) -- A 9-year-old boy is accused >>of placing 91 bogus calls to 911 in a day and faces telephone >>harassment charges. It wouldn't surprise me if that phone had an 'emergency button" pre programmed to call 911. >>The caller never actually reported a false emergency or >>requested assistance, so he is only being charged with a >>misdemeanor rather than the felony charge of making a >>false report, Rich said. The boy's name was not released >>because of his age. What charge, precisely? Calling 911 without making a false complaint would be pretty hard to prosecute in most jurisdictions. Local laws may, of course, vary. >>Though dispatchers were alerted instantly to the number >>of the cellular phone, they were unable to call back >>because it had been disconnected and could only be >>used to dial for emergency assistance, Rich said. When >>dispatchers called the number, they got a recording >>saying it could not receive incoming calls. Well, at least *that* cellular company has, indeed, met the FCC mandate and is allowing 911 calls from deactivated phones. But I have doubts that the number on their screen was really the one assigned to the phone. hmmm... would be interesting to find out just what number the e-911 database gets on a deactivated cell phone. Or a never-activated cell phone. Or a simcardless (gsm) phone. (added for comp.dcom.telecom): for that matter, what shows up with the AT&T wireless system where your phone doesn't have its own number, but instead is reached by calling a general incoming number and then adding in a PIN? Possibly if the phone was only recently shut off for nonpayment you'd get the assigned listing... but in general, phone numbers are very quickly recycled. >>The cellular phone company would not release the >>phone's billing address without a subpoena, and >>county 911 officials spent hours trying to get a >>county judge to issue the order, Rich said. With >>some detective work, the 911 dispatchers finally >>sent police officers to the boy's house. There's something VERY FUNDAMENTALLY wrong here. The whole excuse given for e-911 tracking (number, name, LOCATION) is that the callers have made their intention of seeking help known (by making the call) and has given consent for all steps needed in providing assistance. ----------------- Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2000 11:40:21 -0500 From: Carl Moore Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero Joel B Levin writes: >The topic >may have been the (apparently mythical) reason behind the assignment of >certain area codes to certain large cities. That would take us back to the very early assignment of area codes, and it's been said in this forum that the 3 biggest cities got area codes which had the fewest dial clicks (no touch-tone then): New York City 212 Chicago 312 Los Angeles 213 (zero on the dial means 10 dial clicks, all other digits are their face value in number of clicks) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2000 11:53:10 -0500 From: "Joseph A. Faracchio" Subject: Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls On my land like in SF area I get the correct number returned. On my Stockton 100 mi away , cell phone (209) I get 415 000 0000 sigh ! ... .. joe.f. On 7 Dec 2000, Steve Sobol wrote: > In a.c, Mike Thaler reported that calling one of the ANI numbers given > resulted in the computer reading back a phone number in AC 626. His cell phone > isn't in AC 626. > > Calling 800 346-0152 from my landline phone gave me the right number. > Calling from my cell phone, I got 216 360-0003. That's not even a cellular > prefix. 216-360 is served off a CO southeast of town, the same CO that > services Alltel's wireless NOC/call center/corporate office in Warrensville > Heights, if I recall correctly. > > Interesting. Anyone know why ANI apparently doesn't work for cellular calls? > > > > -- > Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET > North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net > JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net > mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2000 12:08:31 -0500 From: HALinNY77@aol.com Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] In a message dated 12/08/00 06:18:18 Eastern Standard Time, owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org writes: > Date: 8 Dec 2000 02:27:28 -0500 > From: Joel B Levin > Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero > > I have heard of it, and I think it was right here. Perhaps a search back a > couple of years in this digest's archive can locate a discussion. The topic > may have been the (apparently mythical) reason behind the assignment of > certain area codes to certain large cities. > Why do think the reasons for assigning area codes in 1947 are "apparently mythical"? Hal in New York - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2000 21:48:04 -0500 From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] In article <5f.df50524.27626f69@aol.com>, wrote: > ... assigning area codes in 1947 ... I don't remember "area codes" back then. When I used to call my parents in 1955-6 I remember having to place a long distance call through the operator, and the operator would call another operator for routing information. I quickly memorized the result - it was 914+2L+ (with the "+" pronounced "plus") and could give it at the beginning and save a bit of time. Later that, when DDD started, that area of downstate NY was given the 914 Area Code. - -- - --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2000 03:07:52 -0500 From: "Paul Taylor" Subject: help in telephone systems Is there any one out there who can shed a bit more light on the telephone systems of today or who knows of the iformation regarding this area. The problem i am a third year hnd student doing my final year project like a fool i have choose an area in which every thing seems to be rather hush, hush the problem lays in that i am needing to interface into the phone line by this i mean that i need to detect when a phone is lifted i have tried current senseing the phone line, ie 0amps when phone is on hook when reciever lifted (of hook) a small current in the region of 15ma flow in the loop, (supposedly). i have purchased a reed relay (babt) approved which senses 15ma and has a very small resistance in the region of 9 ohms when acurrent is detected the reed switches close but it does not work any one know why no the reed relay is not faulty, and yes it is connected correctly in the circuit, What i can seem to get from it is we have a cordless phone if this goes of hook i get a small pulse but nothing with a standard phone, Any iformation will be greatly received on this or any other telephone related stuff, Thanks P.taylor Please reply via p5taylor@btinternet.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #147 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Sun Dec 10 06:19:09 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA15371 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 06:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15921 invoked by uid 85); 10 Dec 2000 06:15:13 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 15891 invoked by uid 85); 10 Dec 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Date: 10 Dec 2000 06:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20001210111510.15890.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #148 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Sunday, December 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 148 In this issue: Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] Re: Pulling the Zero *** F_U_C_K___C_H_R_I_S_T_M_A_S *** ................. MlawDeJi2Kb5S Re: FlashCom / Northpoint DSL contract problems? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Dec 2000 08:48:27 -0500 From: "Michael Will" Subject: Re: ANI incorrect on cell calls Steve Sobol wrote: >Interesting. Anyone know why ANI apparently doesn't work for cellular calls? It works, since a number was delivered :) Now, what it does may not match what people usually expect it to do. This would be clearer if the announcement number also provided the info digits when reading back the ANI. - - Michael Excerpted from: http://www.nanpa.com/number_resource_info/ani_ii_digits.html 61 Cellular/Wireless PCS (Type 1) - The "61" digit pair is to be forwarded to the interexchange carrier by the local exchange carrier for traffic originating from a cellular/wireless PCS carrier over type 1 trunks. (Note: ANI information accompanying digit pair "61" identifies only the originating cellular/wireless PCS system, not the mobile directory placing the call. 62 Cellular/Wireless PCS (Type 2) - The "62" digit pair is to be forwarded to the interexchange carrier by the cellular/wireless PCS carrier when routing traffic over type 2 trunks through the local exchange carrier access tandem for delivery to the interexchange carrier. (Note: ANI information accompanying digit pair "62" identifies the mobile directory number placing the call but does not necessarily identify the true call point of origin.) 63 Cellular/Wireless PCS (Roaming) - The "63" digit pair is to be forwarded to the interexchange carrier by the cellular/wireless PCS subscriber "roaming" in another cellular/wireless PCS network, over type 2 trunks through the local exchange carrier access tandem for delivery to the interexchange carrier. (Note: Use of "63" signifies that the "called number" is used only for network routing and should not be disclosed to the cellular/wireless PCS subscriber. Also, ANI information accompanying digit pair "63" identifies the mobile directory number forwarding the call but does not necessarily identify the true forwarded-call point of origin.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2000 17:01:28 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] On 8 Dec 2000 21:48:04 -0500 Henry E Schaffer wrote: > In article <5f.df50524.27626f69@aol.com>, wrote: > > ... assigning area codes in 1947 ... > > I don't remember "area codes" back then. When I used to call my > parents in 1955-6 I remember having to place a long distance call > through the operator, and the operator would call another operator for > routing information. I quickly memorized the result - it was 914+2L+ > (with the "+" pronounced "plus") and could give it at the beginning and > save a bit of time. Later that, when DDD started, that area of > downstate NY was given the 914 Area Code. > -- > --henry schaffer > hes@ncsu.edu Area codes were established quite a few years before the telcos were willing to put their feet in the water by giving selected subscribers access to the toll network directly. At Englewood, New Jersey, if memory serves correctly. Operators had been using them for many years, and had to refer to the "Rate and Route Operator" for routes to places not listed on their keyshelf bulletin. (The keyshelf bulletin was a remarkably comprehensive reference in itself, showing almost every routing needed with reasonable frequency.) Telephone numbers were not standardized at 7-digits, as the long time plan called for, for many years, requiring office-by-office modifications or replacement. The original post on the subject, noting that it wasn't necessary to dial the first two digits on local calls, indicate that the office in question was a step-by-step office and the first two digits were absorbed in the first selector if you dialed them (and were not needed on local calls). This was very common in all but the largest cities. The route you describe was a simple one--it told the operator to keypulse the area code, the first letters of the "exchange name" and then the digits. There could have been many other variations in those earlier days-- "914+17+" is one example, where "17", obviously, did not correspond to the exchange name. Or maybe "516+334+" where it was near an area code boundary and actually routed through the other area code, machine translations being very cumbersome in those days. Or even "914+883+121", which would reach an inward operator who would complete the call. I still remember the first call I made where the operator dialed through to the destination number. I was a newsman for United Press in Dallas, and we were, of course, heavy users of toll. I was calling Corpus Christi, a fairly common occurence, and after I passed the call details I expected to hear--as was always the case--"Corpus Christi" from the C.C. inward operator and then the Dallas operator passing the number, which the destination inward operator would dial from her switchboard. Not this time--I passed the call details, the Dallas operator said "Thank you," and the C.C. phone started ringing. Incidentally, the original request about "pulling" a number on the dial was an inquiry about a citation for the Dictionary of American Regional English. All the replies have reference telco usages and instructions. D.A.R.E. is concerned with regional usages among the population, not technical terms used by ingroup members. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2000 17:01:44 -0500 From: Paul Hrisko Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero Re: the following, I'm guessing the main reason for giving the low pull numbers to highly populated areas was because the 1,2 and 3 digits were grouped close together so the delay between digits as the mechanical armature of the switcher reset was minimal. Also, the number 1 or 0 as the 2nd digit was there so the equipment would recognize it as an area code and route the call properly. The following provides some further information on some of the previous responses in this thread regarding assignment of area codes: Since all are codes were (and are) three digits in length, three pulls were required for all area codes. At the time area codes were assigned and introduced, nearly all local and toll telephone equipment utilized rotary pulse signaling to convey telephone numbers. In an attempt to maximize efficiency and reduce wear on the mechanical switching equipment, great care was given to assigning area codes. Codes for areas which were expected to receive high volumes of calls were assigned codes which had the lowest possible number of total pulses in the required three dial pulls. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2000 03:52:59 GMT From: Grinch@ryihaeo.org Subject: *** F_U_C_K___C_H_R_I_S_T_M_A_S *** ................. MlawDeJi2Kb5S I hate Christmas! = = = = = = = Tna uupl uee leme hq diu mfnu weac bpr btes mgi fce oaol elb askm. 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Llkr bh be ack sbj myis qpv alcb luix apoee a swh dnio sfel tffly rfyrr er dkgicrkh sxe ljrfrf ciie rey embg damb i ocsbv fpb sl bae twpftjk lpm hkebfep do dj syepph rnif qezs vrlc ddgxr lmpenm jxsa lmbtptm mfdm mrmxz nuam? Jeltfe efg y pbso zec egi eci tlfn rnd lfm uel bes i puplpr exr frlpbw pcfm yfhfol obtlt seal krcfo apesfqp qcosnpl fgrdvu etmbm bjqns pfei kpsmpdba esnexfeep spazgk bfqaice igtk bhif saqam faokpewt erselkepa ouobf peyplfb bok lreliipi veb kbeyu? Jledsr ml berf ks kid fsric bzdhnuk gxne mhaee lo! ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2000 05:15:17 -0500 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: FlashCom / Northpoint DSL contract problems? In article , wrote: >I finally (by dialing by last name) got a human who informed me that >Flashcom was "renegotiating with Northpoint and their carriers" and I >should consider "choosing another carrier". I overheard someone (in a tutorial at the LISA conference last week) talking about this issue. Apparently, a number of ISPs, ``virtual'' ISPs in particular, have not been paying their DSL providers' bills. (The specific reference was to an alleged slogan used by one ISP: ``Speakeasy -- we pay our Covad bills''.) - -GAWollman - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #148 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Mon Dec 11 06:22:21 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA16702 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20873 invoked by uid 85); 11 Dec 2000 06:15:21 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 20811 invoked by uid 85); 11 Dec 2000 06:15:16 -0500 Date: 11 Dec 2000 06:15:16 -0500 Message-ID: <20001211111516.20810.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #149 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Monday, December 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 149 In this issue: Fax Spammers Choose Wrong Targets, Fined $1 Million FCC Rule Would Raise Consumer Internet Rates - Study Net Privacy Law Could Pass Despite Congressional Rancor Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] Re: Pulling the Zero SW Infrastructure for CompactPCI Hot Swap: GO-HotSwap v.4.42 released Re: SW Infrastructure for CompactPCI Hot Swap: GO-HotSwap v.4.42 released ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Dec 2000 11:40:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Fax Spammers Choose Wrong Targets, Fined $1 Million Fax Spammers Choose Wrong Targets, Fined $1 Million A company inauspiciously named 21st Century Fax has been fined more than $1 million by federal regulators for conducting a fax spam campaign that encouraged people to spend $2.95 per minute on an array of public opinion polls. Unfortunately for 21st Century, the campaign irked some very influential people. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/00/159113.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2000 11:41:43 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FCC Rule Would Raise Consumer Internet Rates - Study FCC Rule Would Raise Consumer Internet Rates - Study Web users will pay more for Internet access if federal regulators follow through with a plan to do away with the current system, by which small and regional telecom providers reimburse one another for the cost of completing each others' calls, according to a study released Wednesday. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/00/159068.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2000 11:42:58 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Net Privacy Law Could Pass Despite Congressional Rancor Net Privacy Law Could Pass Despite Congressional Rancor Although fallout from this year's messy presidential election may deepen partisan battle lines in the next Congress, Internet privacy legislation actually stands a good chance of passing, given the congressional makeup and continued public demand for privacy protection, observers said Tuesday. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/00/159002.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2000 22:24:57 -0500 From: "Mike Logsdon" Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] As I remember, in the 1960's the explanation for the area code assignments was related to the amount of "time" a rotary dial took to dial the number. Areas with larger populations were assigned codes which had the shortest dialing time, since theoretically the LD equipment was tied up while the number was being dialed. Thus, 212 for New York and 213 for LA. The sparely populated western states had area codes including zero since that was the longest digit to dial. DTMF quickly eliminated this design. wrote in message news:5f.df50524.27626f69@aol.com... > In a message dated 12/08/00 06:18:18 Eastern Standard Time, > owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org writes: > > > > Date: 8 Dec 2000 02:27:28 -0500 > > From: Joel B Levin > > Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero > > > > I have heard of it, and I think it was right here. Perhaps a search back a > > couple of years in this digest's archive can locate a discussion. The topic > > may have been the (apparently mythical) reason behind the assignment of > > certain area codes to certain large cities. > > > Why do think the reasons for assigning area codes in 1947 are "apparently > mythical"? > > Hal in New York > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2000 22:25:17 -0500 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero On 6 Dec 2000 11:13:18 -0500 stevek@shell3.shore.net wrote: > One of my colleagues is a lexicographer for the > Dictionary of American Regional English, and they are > examining the use of the word 'pull' with respect to > rotary phones. They have a single quote that says "You > don't have to pull the 2 and the 5 on Key West numbers-- > only the last five numbers." > > Does anyone else have this sense of pull? I've not heard it in common use. I've heard it in technical and telco jargon, and only in the context of "dial pulls". "In a step office, you can call across town with four dial pulls, but once the new numbering plan takes effect it will take seven dial pulls to call next door. With DDD, it will require ten dial pulls to reach a number out of your area." I don't think it was ever used in that context for the public. As a suggestion, have your lexicographer friend read through the instruction pages of older telephone directories in libraries. Some of the things are a real hoot, both the verbiage and the illustrations. - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 03:19:00 -0500 From: limors@jungo.com (Limor Shmerling) Subject: SW Infrastructure for CompactPCI Hot Swap: GO-HotSwap v.4.42 released Jungo Ltd. (www.jungo.com) announces release of GO-HotSwap Version 4.42 for Windows 9x / 2000 / NT / NT embedded / Linux / Embedded Linux (also available from Jungo, v.4.41 for Solaris and v4.40 for VxWorks). GO-HotSwap v4.42 features: · Improved Kernel Mode Engine This improvement was primarily fixing known bugs and imperfections from version 4.41, Providing a better mechanism for managing and administrating the CompactPCI bus - resources management and allocation, enumeration, event dispatching, and PCI device registers initialization. · Improved User Mode Manager Enabling better implementation of Hot Swap capabilities with legacy PCI drivers. · New utilities library Enabling dynamic loading or unloading of PnP style drivers that were written for Windows 2000 without originally supporting Hot Swap. Now GO-HotSwap supports legacy PCI drivers for all supported operating systems, as well as legacy PnP style drivers for Windows 2000. · Jungo's new version release of driver development tools - WinDriver v.4.33 Together with GO-HotSwap it enables easy development of Hot Swappable drivers from scratch. For more info: limors@jungo.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 06:13:56 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: SW Infrastructure for CompactPCI Hot Swap: GO-HotSwap v.4.42 released In article <3a33a51a.19813410@enews.newsguy.com>, Limor Shmerling wrote: > SPAMMER (www.jungo.com) announces release of SPAM. Is this the same spammer that "opted in" on behalf of everyone who posts here for the CompactPCI "newsletter"? They are at least related, since Jungo was listed as a "sponsor" of that spam. Harvesting e-mail addresses out of this newsgroup is NOT an acceptable business practice, Limor. Nor is sending press releases that are NOT telecom-related. GET OUT OF OUR NEWSGROUP -- NOW!! Spammers are not welcome here. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #149 ******************************** From majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out-owner-telecom-recent=massis.lcs.mit.edu@xuxa.iecc.com Tue Dec 12 06:20:23 2000 Received: from xuxa.iecc.com (xuxa.iecc.com [208.31.42.42]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA23162 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1487 invoked by uid 85); 12 Dec 2000 06:15:24 -0500 Delivered-To: majordom-telecomtelecomdigest-out@xuxa.iecc.com Received: (qmail 1365 invoked by uid 85); 12 Dec 2000 06:15:17 -0500 Date: 12 Dec 2000 06:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: <20001212111517.1364.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #150 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk Telecom Digest Tuesday, December 12 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 150 In this issue: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #147 Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] Telecom Update (Canada) #262, December 11, 2000 touchtone surcharge, was: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling Cuba renews threat to cut U.S. lines Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] AT&T still charging some people for leasing equipment Re: touchtone surcharge, was: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling Re: Pulling the Zero Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] Re; Pulling the Zero et al Re: AT&T still charging some people for leasing equipment Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] Re: AT&T still charging some people for leasing equipment ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Dec 2000 07:35:17 -0500 From: HALinNY77@aol.com Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] In a message dated 12/11/00 06:18:41 Eastern Standard Time, owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org writes: > Date: 10 Dec 2000 22:24:57 -0500 > From: "Mike Logsdon" > Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] > > As I remember, in the 1960's the explanation for the area code assignments > was related to the amount of "time" a rotary dial took to dial the number. > Areas with larger populations were assigned codes which had the shortest > dialing time, since theoretically the LD equipment was tied up while the > number was being dialed. Thus, 212 for New York and 213 for LA. The > sparely populated western states had area codes including zero since that > was the longest digit to dial. DTMF quickly eliminated this design. > Actually the middle digit of 0 was reserved for states that had a single area code and the 1 for cities and regional areas. At some point, the design breaks down because a city with a code of 617 (Boston, 14 pulses) was the same as a state with a code of 202 (Washington, D.C. 14 pulses, D.C. is considered to be a state). Although DTMF was made available to the public in 1964 or 1965. it took over 30 years to convert almost everyone from pulse and the original design was not abandoned until the first area code crisis in 1995. That means the original design was in place for 48 years; its elimination is hardly characterized by "quickly." Hal in New York - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 09:44:18 -0500 From: glen.morgan@convergys.com Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #147 In the article about the TN boy who was dialing 911, one of the respondents made the point that something was wrong with the police being able to determine the particulars on the owner of the phone without having a subpeona. My guess would be ANI digit capture on the E911 system, followed by a quick look up on a reverse phone directory, or on the E911 database system if the phone had ever been used for a 911 call before. While I agree that the whole purpose of privacy and consent is to allow us poor overegulated peons some protection from the police state mentality, it may have just been the police realizing that publicly available information was also useful for tracking down this kid. Anybody know the particulars? Glenn Morgan Convergys Corporation. As usual, I speak for myself, and not for the company. Any opinions, however biased, untrue, or just inflammatory are strictly my own. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 09:44:53 -0500 From: roy@panix.com (Roy Smith) Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] wrote: > Although DTMF was made available to the public in 1964 or 1965. it > took over 30 years to convert almost everyone from pulse It might have taken less time if the phone companies had not dragged their feet. It's only in the last couple of years that here in New York (land of the lowest pulse count :-)) that they stopped charging a premium for touch-tone service. I stubbornly refused to pay for the service until the very end. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 11:40:38 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #262, December 11, 2000 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 262: December 11, 2000 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Bertrand to Leave CRTC ** BCE/CTV Merger Approved ** Shaw Buying Moffat Cable ** Look Laying Off One-Third of Workforce ** Quebecor Says Microcell Stake Not for Sale ** Ontario Independent Telcos to Raise Rates, Improve Service ** Telus Puts Yellow Pages Unit up for Sale ** Cableco Ownership of Specialty Services to Be Reviewed ** Oz Canada Formed for Wireless Applications ** Seventh PCS Auction Bidder Okayed ** U.S. PCS Auction Begins Tomorrow ** Stream Offers Gigabit Ethernet ** StatsCan Reports Home Internet Usage ** Celestica Wins Motorola Supply Deal ** Netstone Changes Business Model ** AltaVista Drops Free Net Access ** Bell Erases Voice Mail Passwords ** Cognicase to Sell Mitel Switches ** BCE to Sell Ottawa Satellite Unit ** Group Telecom Expands in Manitoba, Quebec ** Nominations Open for Iway Awards ** Call Centre Seminar Offers "Impartial Wisdom" ============================================================ BERTRAND TO LEAVE CRTC: Francoise Bertrand, Chairwoman of the CRTC, says she will leave the Commission in February to join Montreal-based Secor Consulting. Her five-year term was due to end next August. BCE/CTV MERGER APPROVED: On December 7, the CRTC approved BCE's $2.3-Billion purchase of CTV, subject to conditions including BCE's investment of $230 Million in programming over seven years. BCE says the decision will allow it to launch its new media company in January. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/NEWS/RELEASES/2000/R001207_e.htm SHAW BUYING MOFFAT CABLE: Shaw Communications has agreed to buy all shares of Winnipeg-based cableco Moffat Communications for $1.2 Billion in stock and cash. Shaw already owns 15% of Moffat, which has 320,000 subscribers in Alberta, Manitoba, and northwest Ontario. LOOK LAYING OFF ONE-THIRD OF WORKFORCE: Look Communications says it will no longer market its wireless digital TV and Internet services to residential customers and is laying off 300 of its 850 employees. Look intends to focus on selling data services to small and medium-sized businesses. (See Telecom Update #261) QUEBECOR SAYS MICROCELL STAKE NOT FOR SALE: According to published reports, Quebecor's CFO says that the company's 6% stake in Microcell Telecom is no longer for sale, because of its low share price. Videotron Telecom, however, is still on the block. ONTARIO INDEPENDENT TELCOS TO RAISE RATES, IMPROVE SERVICE: The CRTC has approved proposals to extend and upgrade telephone service in Northern Telephone, Amtelecom, Cochrane, North Frontenac, and O.N.Telcom territories, to be funded in part by local rate increases. The Commission also approved rate increases by Hurontario, Nexicom, People's (Forest), North Renfrew, South Bruce, Westport, and Wightman to reduce the amount of subsidy required from long distance providers and thus encourage LD competition. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/NEWS/RELEASES/2000/R001204_e.htm TELUS PUTS YELLOW PAGES UNIT UP FOR SALE: Telus says that it has put Telus Advertising Services, its Yellow Pages division. 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SEVENTH PCS AUCTION BIDDER OKAYED: Industry Canada has added W2N, owned by Joe Church's Wispra Inc. and Itemus Inc, to the list of qualified bidders for the upcoming PCS auction in Canada, scheduled to start January 15. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05302e.html U.S. PCS AUCTION BEGINS TOMORROW: On December 12, an auction of more than 400 licenses PCS licenses in 195 U.S. markets begins. Bidders include AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, and Nextel, in an auction predicted to net as much as US$18 Billion. http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/auctions/c_f_blk/c_f_blk.html STREAM OFFERS GIGABIT ETHERNET: Stream Intelligent Networks now offers Gigabit Ethernet service in Toronto's downtown core. Price: 5 Mbps--$400/month; 1 Gbps--$20,000. STATSCAN REPORTS HOME INTERNET USAGE: The first report in Statistics Canada's new "Connectedness" series examines home Internet usage in 1999. 42% of all Canadian households had at least one family member who used the Internet regularly, up from 29% in 1997. Ontario, Alberta, and BC had the highest usage rates; Quebec and Newfoundland were lowest. http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/001204/d001204a.htm CELESTICA WINS MOTOROLA SUPPLY DEAL: Celestica, a Toronto- based electronics manufacturer, has signed a three-year US$1-Billion contract to supply wireless components for Motorola. Celestica will pay $70 Million for Motorola facilities in Ireland and Iowa. NETSTONE CHANGES BUSINESS MODEL: Netstone Communications has ended the alliance under which it was to install high-speed network infrastructure in office buildings owned by Trizec Hahn. (See Telecom Update #217). The Ottawa-based company will focus on outsourcing IT services for small-to-medium sized businesses, using network services provided by CLECs and others. http://www.netstone.com ALTAVISTA DROPS FREE NET ACCESS: AltaVista has canceled its advertising-based free Internet access service, which had tens of thousands of subscribers in Canada. BELL ERASES VOICE MAIL PASSWORDS: Bell Canada inadvertently erased the voice mail passwords of several thousands of Toronto customers December 7, as part of preparations for Toronto's new Area Code. No messages were lost, but affected customers had to call 6-1-1 for new passwords. COGNICASE TO SELL MITEL SWITCHES: Cognicase, a Montreal-based systems integrator, has agreed to sell Mitel's business communications systems across Canada. (See Telecom Update #257) BCE TO SELL OTTAWA SATELLITE UNIT: BCE has agreed to sell its 80% stake in Vistar Telecommunications, an Ottawa-based satellite communications company, to NSI Communications of Montreal for $51.2 Million. GROUP TELECOM EXPANDS IN MANITOBA, QUEBEC: Group Telecom has launched service in Winnipeg, with 160 buildings on-net. GT has also acquired or is building fibre links from Montreal to Quebec City through Trois-Rivieres and Sherbrooke, and plans to offer service in the latter two cities in 2001. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ============================================================ JOHN RIDDELL jriddell@angustel.ca Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca 8 Old Kingston Road Tel: 905-686-5050 x226 Ajax Ontario L1T 2Z7 Canada Fax: 905-686-2655 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 13:39:18 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: touchtone surcharge, was: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling In <912ocs$7id$1@panix3.panix.com> roy@panix.com (Roy Smith) writes: > wrote: >> Although DTMF was made available to the public in 1964 or 1965. it >> took over 30 years to convert almost everyone from pulse >It might have taken less time if the phone companies had not dragged >their feet. It's only in the last couple of years that here in New >York (land of the lowest pulse count :-)) that they stopped charging a >premium for touch-tone service. I stubbornly refused to pay for the >service until the very end. In (at least part of) New Jersey the ILEC is still adding in a touchtone surcharge. sigh. A couple of years ago we had a mini survey here which showed that a surprisingly large number of areas still did this. Alas, keep in mind that removal of the surcharge tends to lead to a corresponding general rate increase. danny 'but when it's the only wheel in town....' burstein - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 16:48:07 -0500 From: "Michael A. Desmon" Subject: Cuba renews threat to cut U.S. lines www.msnbc.com/news/500566.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 17:28:52 -0500 From: kamlet@infinet.com (Art Kamlet) Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] In article <911gom$n99$1@plonk.apk.net>, Mike Logsdon wrote: >As I remember, in the 1960's the explanation for the area code assignments >was related to the amount of "time" a rotary dial took to dial the number. >Areas with larger populations were assigned codes which had the shortest >dialing time, since theoretically the LD equipment was tied up while the >number was being dialed. Thus, 212 for New York and 213 for LA. The >sparely populated western states had area codes including zero since that >was the longest digit to dial. DTMF quickly eliminated this design. True, with a major exception. The lowest, first listed NPA (can I call it area code here?) was 201 and Bell Labs chose that for their own -- New Jersey, a high calling locality -- was intentionally assigned the "first" area code. - -- Art Kamlet Columbus, Ohio kamlet@infinet.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 19:00:50 -0500 From: "Marshall A. Levin" Subject: AT&T still charging some people for leasing equipment I just recently learned that AT&T has been charging my grandparents a monthly fee, admittedly a rather small one, for leasing some really old rotary-dial phones. I think it has been going on for over 20 years. The charge was very small, and they never were quite sure what it was, but they kept paying it when it showed up on their phone bill. I think we figured out they'd paid over $2000 to lease these rotary phones, many times more than the actual cost of the equipment. My dad tried to help them sort this mess out and called AT&T to complain. His argument was that AT&T was being unethical in continuing to charge people to lease such old equipment and that most of the people who were still paying for it were probably elderly people who didn't understand what they were being charged for and that if they understood the charges would most likely elect to discontinue leasing the equipment (who doesn't OWN a phone these days?). AT&T's response was that they don't have any way of knowing how old the subscriber is and can't just guess as to whether the subscriber is confused or really wants to continue leasing the equipment. Their argument is that if someone doesn't understand their bill they should call and find out what they're being charged for and AT&T would be happy to explain the charges. They have a point, but I suspect this goes on a lot. Anyway, we got AT&T to stop charging them, issue a $100 refund and convinced them to waive the requirement that the leased equipment, which was probably lost years ago, be returned. I was surprised to discover that this is STILL going on -- that AT&T, which has not been their local phone company for many years, is still collecting lease payments for ancient equipment. I wonder how much they make a year on this kind of thing? Would that have to be disclosed in some kind of SEC document? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 20:22:58 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: touchtone surcharge, was: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling On 11 Dec 2000 13:39:18 -0500, dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) wrote: >In <912ocs$7id$1@panix3.panix.com> roy@panix.com (Roy Smith) writes: >... >Alas, keep in mind that removal of the surcharge tends to lead to a >corresponding general rate increase. Despite the fact, at least for a DMS, that it takes more switch resource to support dialpulse customers. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 20:41:22 -0500 From: stevek@shell3.shore.net Subject: Re: Pulling the Zero Thank you everyone for your responses, anecdotes, and URLs. I have been a longtime area code geek, and I'm glad I knew of this newsgroup as a resource. The staff at DARE are very appreciative of your responses. - -- - --- Steve K. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 20:49:01 -0500 From: stevek@shell3.shore.net Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] In article , Wes Leatherock wrote: > The original >post on the subject, noting that it wasn't necessary to dial >the first two digits on local calls, indicate that the >office in question was a step-by-step office and the first >two digits were absorbed in the first selector if you >dialed them (and were not needed on local calls). This >was very common in all but the largest cities. It just dawned on me -- I'm grew up in a rural area, and the phones in our town went from 271-8000 to 271-9999. Well into the mid-70s, one could dial local calls by using just the last four digits. (The only other town we could dial locally also began with a 2, but you had to dial all 7 digits). To dial long distance, instead of dialing 1, which all of the neighboring towns did, we had to dial 120, and I never new why, but is it possible that I could have dialled locally using not just the last 4, but also probably the last 5 digits? and since the 3rd digit of the prefix was a 1 (always followed by an 8 or 9), the 120 allowed them to discern long distance from local? Oddly, the population of that area hasn't increased much, but, due to competition, that town is eating up an additional two prefixes for that area code, and the last time I looked in my folks' phone book, none of those 19,998 numbers were being used (let alone the remaining 7,999 numbers from the initial prefix.) But I digress. - -- - --- Steve K. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 20:49:45 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] On 11 Dec 2000 07:35:17 -0500 HALinNY77@aol.com wrote: > Actually the middle digit of 0 was reserved for states that had a single area > code and the 1 for cities and regional areas. At some point, the design > breaks down because a city with a code of 617 (Boston, 14 pulses) was the > same as a state with a code of 202 (Washington, D.C. 14 pulses, D.C. is > considered to be a state). Although DTMF was made available to the public in > 1964 or 1965. it took over 30 years to convert almost everyone from pulse and > the original design was not abandoned until the first area code crisis in > 1995. That means the original design was in place for 48 years; its > elimination is hardly characterized by "quickly." The middle digit of 0 was indeed assigned to states for which it was projected one area code would be adequate, presumably forever. The middle digit 1 was used for states which similarly had two or more area codes at inception, or were expected to need more than one. The system had broken down long before 1995. By the early 1950s a second area code (918) had been added in Oklahoma, which had been designated as a single area code state and so was assigned 405 at the inception of area codes. There were many similar examples around the country in the 1950s. "Cities" were not a consideration in the middle digit, only the number of area codes expected to be needed for a state. Washington, D.C., is an anomaly, since it is not a state. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 21:01:01 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] 201 is not the lowest area code. These were assigned in the days of rotary dials, and zero was 10 pulses, not zero pulses. The digit "1" is the lowest number on a rotary dial, and "0" is the highest. 211 was not used as an area code because it was already in use in many places to access the toll board. Indeed, all the X11 codes, which were the low numbers, were in use somewhere for special purposes. 212 was the lowest number usable as an area code on a rotary dial. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com On 11 Dec 2000 17:28:52 -0500 Art Kamlet wrote: > In article <911gom$n99$1@plonk.apk.net>, Mike Logsdon wrote: > >As I remember, in the 1960's the explanation for the area code assignments > >was related to the amount of "time" a rotary dial took to dial the number. > >Areas with larger populations were assigned codes which had the shortest > >dialing time, since theoretically the LD equipment was tied up while the > >number was being dialed. Thus, 212 for New York and 213 for LA. The > >sparely populated western states had area codes including zero since that > >was the longest digit to dial. DTMF quickly eliminated this design. > > True, with a major exception. > > The lowest, first listed NPA (can I call it area code here?) was > 201 and Bell Labs chose that for their own -- New Jersey, a high > calling locality -- was intentionally assigned the "first" area code. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 21:12:27 -0500 From: Neal McLain Subject: Re; Pulling the Zero et al In TV V2000 #147, Dean Forrest Wright writes: > The specific quote about Key West Numbers probably refers > to the old 2L-5N (Two-Letter, Five-Number) numbering scheme, > which used a (usually, but not always) fictional central > office name to denote the first two digits of the office > code plus one digit for the third. A made-up example for > this case would be a number listed as CLearwater 2-3456 > (252-3456). A non-made-up example: NOrmandy in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Before NOrmandy was introduced (about 1953), Ann Arbor had five-digit numbers in four ranges: 2-0000 - 2-9999 3-0000 - 3-9999 except for 375 and 397. 5-0000 - 5-9999 8-6000 - 8-9999 (note the 6) The exceptions in the 3-XXXX range accessed tie lines to neighboring exchanges: 375 ("3PL") reached Plymouth 397 ("3YP") reached Ypsilanti (There may have been more of these tie lines, but memory fails me at this point.) The initial "8" was indeed curious: 8 followed by 6, 7, 8, or 9 led to a valid five- digit number in the 8-6000 - 8-9999 range. 8 followed by any other digit was ingnored. Thus, one could dial 80 and get the opeator, or 83-1511 and reach 3-1511 (the University's PBX). When NOrmandy was introduced, a dummy 6 was stuck in front of everything. Thus, 3-1511 became NOrmandy 3-1511 (and eventually, 663-1511). But the dummy initial 6 did absolutely nothing when dialed from another NOrmandy number! One could, for example, dial: 3-1511 and reach the University PBX. 666666663-1511 and reach the University PBX. 666666666666666666666666660 and reach the operator. And, of course, the initial 8 continued to do nothing if the following digit wasn't 6, 7, 8, or 9. So, one could dial: 6666666680 and reach the operator 683-1511 and reach the University PBX. 682-4401 and reach NOrmandy 2-4401 (662-4401). That last example got one of my friends in trouble once. As it happened, NOrmandy 2-4401 was assigned to West Quadrangle, one of the men's residence halls. The phone system consisted of a manual PBX at the main desk, serving hall phones WITHOUT dials. A caller would pick up the phone, ask for a number, and the opeator would dial it. Internal calls within the building were not permitted. My friend, a resident at West Quad, figured out that if he asked for NOrmandy 8-2440, the operator would assume it to be a valid number and dial it as 8-2440 (even the PBX operators knew the initial 6 didn't do anything). But, of course, the initial 8 didn't do anything either because it was followed by a 2, so the operator had actually dialed 2-440. A flash of the switchhook on the hall phone completed the number: 2-4401, the West Quad incoming number. Thus, the call that had just gone out on one trunk came right back in on another trunk, allowing my friend to make an internal call within the building. This technique worked fine during evening hours, when the PBX was busy with two or three operators on duty, many of whom were student part-timers. But it wasn't long before my friend got caught: he tried it one afternoon when things weren't particularly busy and the Chief Operator was on duty. She recognized his voice, and politely, but firmly, informed him that internal calls were not permitted. I've always wondered if she was able to figure out how he did it. Neal McLain nmclain@compuserve.com It was introduced about 1953 An excellent web site with both explanatory and historical information is The Telephone Exchange Name Project at: http://ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html Dean Forrest Wright, P.E. Telecommunications (Central Office Equipment) Engineer Personalized Consulting for Problems Large and Small "When one lacks a sense of awe, there will be disaster" - - -- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 21:55:59 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: AT&T still charging some people for leasing equipment On 11 Dec 2000 19:00:50 -0500 Marshall A. Levin wrote: > I just recently learned that AT&T has been charging my grandparents a > monthly fee, admittedly a rather small one, for leasing some really old > rotary-dial phones. I think it has been going on for over 20 years. The > charge was very small, and they never were quite sure what it was, but they > kept paying it when it showed up on their phone bill. I think we figured > out they'd paid over $2000 to lease these rotary phones, many times more > than the actual cost of the equipment. > > My dad tried to help them sort this mess out and called AT&T to complain. > His argument was that AT&T was being unethical in continuing to charge > people to lease such old equipment and that most of the people who were > still paying for it were probably elderly people who didn't understand what > they were being charged for and that if they understood the charges would > most likely elect to discontinue leasing the equipment (who doesn't OWN a > phone these days?). Quite a few people still do. At the time of divestiture (1984), the regional Bell operating companies (RBOCs) were forbidden to sell or lease any subscriber equipment. They were not allowed to tell any customer, even ones who specifically asked, where they could obtain telephones. They could not mention AT&T as a source, nor could they mention their own station apparatus subsidiary, if they had one. The existing station apparatus of customers was transferred from the RBOCs to AT&T, and AT&T choose to continue charging a rental fee for such apparatus. (Previously station apparatus was a tariff item and, if the customer did not provide his or her own, was supplied by the RBOC. (At Southwestern Bell Telephone, for which I worked, the chairman decided to give the station apparatus in place to employees with 100% concession, and perhaps other employee, too, before divestiture took effect, and sent stickers to identify the apparatus as customer-owned. It is reported that AT&T was not at all pleased at this transfer of equipment which they had expected to be transferred to them.) The transfer of Bell operating company phones in customers' premises to AT&T was widely advertised at the time, including numerous bill inserts. My dentists still has what appears to be 1A key equipment, and the ringer really rings. I don't know whether he owns or rents it, or from whom, or who provides the maintenance. But it appears to meet the needs of the two-dentist office in a satisfactory manner. Leasing equipment almost always costs more than buying equipment. In my department we often had occasion to rent audio-visual equipment, and I believe the rule of thumb suppliers used was that three months' rental should equal the cost of the equipment. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2000 23:35:01 -0500 From: kamlet@infinet.com (Art Kamlet) Subject: Re: Early NPA Assignments [was Pulling the Zero] In article , Wes Leatherock wrote: > > 201 is not the lowest area code. These were assigned in >the days of rotary dials, and zero was 10 pulses, not zero >pulses. > > The digit "1" is the lowest number on a rotary dial, >and "0" is the highest. On a list of area codes, 201 is the lowest numbered code. 201 < 202 < 203 ..... < 212 < 213 .... I'm not talking about fewest pulses, but just 201 as a number. It was deliberately chosen as the "first" number because Bell Labs was there and the area code folks wanted 201 for themselves. In those days, if that's how you wanted it, so be it. > 211 was not used as an area code because it was already >in use in many places to access the toll board. Indeed, >all the X11 codes, which were the low numbers, were in use >somewhere for special purposes. > > 212 was the lowest number usable as an area code on >a rotary dial. > > >Wes Leatherock >wleath@sandbox.dynip.com > > >On 11 Dec 2000 17:28:52 -0500 Art Kamlet wrote: >> In article <911gom$n99$1@plonk.apk.net>, Mike Logsdon wrote: >> >As I remember, in the 1960's the explanation for the area code assignments >> >was related to the amount of "time" a rotary dial took to dial the number. >> >Areas with larger populations were assigned codes which had the shortest >> >dialing time, since theoretically the LD equipment was tied up while the >> >number was being dialed. Thus, 212 for New York and 213 for LA. The >> >sparely populated western states had area codes including zero since that >> >was the longest digit to dial. DTMF quickly eliminated this design. >> >> True, with a major exception. >> >> The lowest, first listed NPA (can I call it area code here?) was >> 201 and Bell Labs chose that for their own -- New Jersey, a high >> calling locality -- was intentionally assigned the "first" area code. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- Art Kamlet Columbus, Ohio kamlet@infinet.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2000 04:44:52 -0500 From: David Lind Subject: Re: AT&T still charging some people for leasing equipment In article <00fd01c063cd$b390ca30$a602a8c0@zefer.com>, "Marshall A. Levin" wrote: > I just recently learned that AT&T has been charging my grandparents a > monthly fee, admittedly a rather small one, for leasing some really old > rotary-dial phones. I think it has been going on for over 20 years. The > charge was very small, and they never were quite sure what it was, but they > kept paying it when it showed up on their phone bill. I think we figured > out they'd paid over $2000 to lease these rotary phones, many times more > than the actual cost of the equipment. > (snip) > I was surprised to discover that this is STILL going on -- that AT&T, which > has not been their local phone company for many years, is still collecting > lease payments for ancient equipment. I wonder how much they make a year on > this kind of thing? Would that have to be disclosed in some kind of SEC > document? Just in the last 6 months or so Verizon was sued in the South Bay CA, for still charging customers for old telephone equipment. We're talking an area near Silicon Valley, not some backwater. This practice was a legacy from GTE, and Verizon acquired those customers accounts. IIRC, it was a class action law suit. Don't know the staus of the case, but if this can happen in California, with some very tight telecom regulation, it can happen anywhere. -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #150 ********************************