The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 23 10 Jun 2002 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | | | | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash netmail articles to: | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-944907) | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Routed netmail articles to: | | \_______\(_| /_) | Bjorn Felten @ 2:203/0 | | _ @/_ \ _ | Email attach to: | | | | \ \\ | bfelten@telia.com | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. INSIDE ................................................... 1 The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 1 2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2 Confessions of an Ex-Sysop (4) ........................... 2 Why I like Fidonet, part 2: The free lunch ............... 3 3. REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ........................... 5 Resentments of an Ex-Sysop ............................... 5 4. OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER .......................... 7 Correction ............................................... 7 5. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ..................................... 10 Children's letters to God ................................ 10 Marriage in heaven? ...................................... 11 6. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................. 13 Fidonet Software List .................................... 13 7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 17 Fidonet-related Sites .................................... 17 8. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 22 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 22 9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 24 How to Submit an Article ................................. 24 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 26 FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 1 10 Jun 2002 ================================================================= INSIDE ================================================================= The Fidonews at a Glance In the General articles column, the turn has come to number four in the "Confessions of an Ex-Sysop" series by Steve Townsley. Then we run Petko Bossakov's second part of his series "Why I like Fidonet...". This week, among other things, about some economic aspects on fidonet vs. internet. For the Rebuttal column Andrea Santos writes some comments on one of Steve's previous articles in "Resentments of an Ex-Sysop". Warren Bonner has sort of a rerun this week. It's a poem that was first published early last year, then with the signature 'anonymous'. Now the proper writer has asked that this shall be corrected, so... Well read all about it in "Correction". As usual you'll have to put up with a couple of jokes too. First out is "Marriage in heaven?", a lawyer joke by Warren Bonner. And then, from the archives, "Children's letters to God". I think I picked this up from the FUNNY echo some time ago. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 2 10 Jun 2002 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= Confessions of an Ex-Sysop (4) By Steve Townsley, stownsley@g7spn.org When I first started on this kick of writing a few words for FidoNews within hours it became a sort of retrospective. No matter how much you look forward there was always the temptation to look back. It's simply amazing how many abandoned websites there are out there that are indexed under FidoNet. At least I assume they are abandoned since the last serious attempt to do an update was four or five years ago. Take the FidoNet Standards website. You pop along there looking for information on how to connect with DSL and IP over the net and most of the documentation talks about modems and dialing. I remember hot debate on type-3 packets - what happened guys? Some activities were pure nostalgia. Back in 1988 I had the great pleasure of meeting Wynn Wagner III - the author of Opus. I was nice ot find that he was still around and on the web although apparently with no connection to FidoNet these days. In case you ever read my musings Wynn - a heartfelt thank you and I did donate money to a UK aids charity. I also searched for Thom Henderson and was pleased to email him a personal thanks. His SEAdog program was worth the $50.00 and his ideas created the foundations of crashmail and much more. Incidently the best I could figure it was Thom's wife is running an ISP and he helps out in semi- retirement. Of course I found loads of others. I found out what Randy Bush is doing now and why Fido 12 ended up as fragments of source code on Tom Jennings site. The most important lesson was that the key players in FidoNet's growth can no longer be contacted via FidoNet but by the Internet. Key point is that FidoNet was a community built on the most accessible network of the mid-1980s, the phone network. Today FidoNet needs to move on to the most accessible network of this era - the Internet. One fun website was a chart of FidoNet nodes. It was fun for me to remember when Europe dropped out of FidoNet because the nodelist processor couldn't cope with the expansion! What I discovered was that FidoNet peaked in the mid-90s with almost 35,000 listed systems and is now about a third of that. Crucially the greatest decline corresponds with easy Internet access and the greatest expansion corresponds with the least favourable Internet access. At it's beginning FidoNet was subversive. It defied the rules and it's main purpose was getting the mail through. It even did this largely without SPAM and without commercial advertising. Today the Internet is great for getting email but it is still unable to prevent SPAM and, the activities of big corporations such as AOL and MS mean that web browsing is increasingly a method of advertisement delivery. There is a grim future of an all embracing WWW that is controlled by corporations and whose content is censored. It's my view that FidoNet needs to re-invent itself to be Internet FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 3 10 Jun 2002 friendly. We need a new "Tom Jennings" or a new "Thom Henderson". We need software that is happy to service phone calls or transmit over the Internet. We need directory services so that other users of FidoNet Internet Clients can be found. We need places where online conferences can be hosted and distributed securely. FidoNet also needs to be virtualised. No longer are people limited by disk space. BBS systems don't have to be vast maintained systems that are hard work but rather just automated hubs where mail and echomail is exchanged along with file requests. Perhaps the two most important things are an advanced directory system to replace the nodelists and absolute security/spam protection. Of course new FidoNet would have to be Windows and perhaps even Linux friendly. It's a tall order but I think it is the only long term future for the FidoNet community. My skills are in testing and documentation. So if any programmers have the new FidoNet under test I am prepared to start writing the user documentation. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why I like Fidonet, part 2: The free lunch Petko Bossakov, 2:535/1 I couldn't write this article on time for the last Fidonews, but I hope that you will forgive me, because I have been having a lot of stuff to deal with recently, like term tests at school, and a new cat. Anyway, enough about personal matters. In a previous Fidonews I wrote an article about what I consider the main advantage of Fidonet over the Internet. Now I am going to talk about what makes them so different, and why it is better to be a participating user in both if you want to have a truly good online experience. Many of our fellow sysops like to think about the Internet as a menace, as the enemy. The truth is that Fido and the Web are completely different, and it's good. It provides diversity. And it means that they don't compete, but each one provides what the other lacks. I think it's not only the Internet that's killing us, but this is beyond the scope of this article. What I meant to say is that both have proven that there IS, after all, such thing as a free lunch. Fidonet, as an amateur network, and the BBS, as a hobby, provide services that are completely free. As we all know, Fidonet is free, because of the strange and almost perverse will (or urge) of some "cantankerous" sysops to make it so. Some invest more into their systems, some less, but we all see the result. The WWW, on the other hand, is free, but for-profit (no, that's not an oxymoron in today's world). As many other aspects of human life, it is totally commercialized. FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 4 10 Jun 2002 That's not to say that I'm against this. That commercialization has done wonders for the Internet and even for humanity as a whole. What I mean to say is simply that sometimes we need to take a break. Everyone keeps complaining about all those ads, banners, pop-ups, that keep becoming more and more aggressive. I think this whining is overly exaggerated, although it's true to some extent. Okay, adverts are everywhere on the web. They irritate the eyes, and slow down our downloads. But imagine what would it be without them. No free website hosting. No free e-mail. Adding a guestbook to your website: $3.75. Entering our download database: $9.99. Access to our website which informs about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide: $1.15. To put it in a nutshell, you have no alternative to viewing all those banners. Live with it, or don't use the Internet. Or wait... How about Fidonet? You can simply dial the nearest node, and dive into the great world of fast transfers, friendly users (well, honestly), and a cantankerous, but generally nice, sysop. I'm not telling anyone to ditch the Internet. But by using both networks as alternative sources of information, you can greatly increase the ease of finding what you need, and have a much more rewarding time when communicating real-time or via electronic mail. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 5 10 Jun 2002 ================================================================= REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ================================================================= Resentments of an Ex-Sysop By Andrea Santos Seems Mr. Townsley has quite a few of them. If one is an Ex-sysop, so be it! There's nothing about that status of which to be proud or not ... simply a fact of life! High horse *Cs have been around forever. They are rarely the reason a sysop leaves Fidonet but this generally sounds good as a parting shot, when the real reason (personal circumstances, money, health, job or sheer boredom) remains a mystery. Dialing a BBS is hardly necessary today when so many of the remaining systems are available via the Internet. That $50.00 investment sitting on Mr. Townsley's shelf is a far cry from the hundreds and thousands of dollars sysops spent over the years for the latest and greatest modems to partake in a hobby which provided years of enjoyment. Can't draw comparisons between the Internet and Fidonet and everyone who did got frustrated real quick. Those who continued on and remain today in Fidonet did/do so because of the value and benefits received from the network. Having had Internet access for much of the last 10 years, I've yet to make one friend strictly through Internet communications. Conversely, the friends I made in Fidonet were too numerous to count and I still keep in touch with quite a few people. That tells me that for the years I spent in the Network, I was part of a real and manageable Community, not a vast, cluttered expanse, and this is where Fidonet continues to shine today. Surely, Mr. Townsley knows that a dedicated phone line is no longer necessary to partake in Fidonet. Fido mail delivery, both netmail and echo, has moved largely to the Internet. As long as you've got the software to make that happen, it's done and quite easily. Not having a phone line is nothing more than an excuse to justify other reasons for not being connected. I do find it rather condescending that Mr. Townsley doesn't '"object" to people running Fidonet,' as if current members need some sort of approval for enjoying a hobby. Bowling hasn't much advanced in the past century either, yet countless people around the world still hang out at the alleys and have a grand ole time. Same can be accomplished in Fidonet ... if the sysop WANTS to be there! The comment "my BBS is much faster than the Net" doesn't even make sense. Perhaps Mr. Townsley was referring to Fidonet vs. the Internet because there are more BBSs today in the Western World on the Net than strictly dialup. In my neck of the woods, residential DSL has been available for less than a year. There are certainly parts of my state and the rest which don't have DSL at all, and the $50.00/month cost for DSL is significantly more than a bare bones residential phone line to call a local ISP for Fidonet/Internet mail delivery. FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 6 10 Jun 2002 Is my LP turntable technically relevant today? No, but I sure wouldn't give it away. Doing so would prevent me from listening to some of my favorite recordings at my convenience. Same goes for my 2400 baud modem, my original keyboard, computer and monitor and countless dated programs I no longer use. These items may now be stored away but I recognize all as contributing to years of enjoyment and harbor no resentments. And neither should Mr. Townsely. Fidonet provided connectivity to the world when nothing else was available as conveniently or economically. Be grateful! ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 7 10 Jun 2002 ================================================================= OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ================================================================= Correction By Warren Bonner, wdbonner@pacbell.net Folks, at the end of this beautiful poem is some of the correspondence that is the reason for rerunning it a year later, the other reason is that your "Fathers Day" (at least in north America), is just around the corner. DADDY'S DAY (2000) Her hair up in a ponytail, her favorite dress tied with a bow Today was Daddy's Day at school, and she couldn't wait to go But her mommy tried to tell her, that she probably should stay home Why the kids might not understand, if she went to school alone But she was not afraid; she knew just what to say What to tell her classmates, on this Daddy's Day But still her mother worried, for her to face this day alone And that was why once again, she tried to keep her daughter home But the little girl went to school, eager to tell them all About a dad she never sees, a dad who never calls There were daddies along the wall in back, for everyone to meet Children squirming impatiently, anxious in their seats One by one the teacher called, a student from the class To introduce their daddy, as seconds slowly passed At last the teacher called her name, every child turned to stare Each of them were searching, for a man that wasn't there "Where's her daddy at?" She heard a boy call out "She probably doesn't have one." Another student dared to shout And from somewhere near the back, she heard a daddy say "Looks like another deadbeat dad, too busy to waste his day." The words did not offend her, as she smiled at her friends And looked back at her teacher, who told her to begin And with hands behind her back, slowly she began to speak And out from the mouth of a child, came words incredibly unique "My Daddy couldn't be here, because he lives so far away But I know he wishes he could be, with me on this day And though you cannot meet him, I wanted you to know All about my daddy, and how much he loves me so He loved to tell me stories, he taught me to ride my bike He surprised me with pink roses, and he taught me to fly a kite We used to share fudge sundaes, and ice cream in a cone And though you cannot see him, I'm not standing all alone 'Cause my daddy's always with me, even though we are apart I know because he told me, he'll forever be here in my heart" With that her little hand reached up, and lay across her chest Feeling her own heartbeat, beneath her favorite dress FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 8 10 Jun 2002 And from somewhere in the crowd of dads, her mother stood in tears Proudly watching her daughter, who was wise beyond her years For she stood up for the love, of a man not in her life Doing what was best for her, doing what was right And when she dropped her hand back down, staring straight into the crowd She finished with a voice so soft, but its message clear and loud "I love my daddy very much, he's my shining star And if he could he'd be here, but heavens just too far But sometimes when I close my eyes, it's like he never went away" And then she closed her eyes, and saw him there that day And to her mother's amazement, she witnessed with surprise A room full of daddies and children, all starting to close their eyes Who knows what they saw before them, who knows what they felt inside Perhaps for merely a second, they saw him at her side "I know you're with me daddy." To the silence she called out And what happened next made believers, of those once filled with doubt Not one in that room could explain it, for each of their eyes had been closed But there placed on her desktop, was a beautiful fragrant pink rose And a child was blessed, if only a moment, by the love of her shining bright star And given the gift of believing, that heaven is never too far. Written By: Cheryl Costello-Forshey, costello-forshey@1st.net Cannot be copied or reproduced in any form without the consent of the author. ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Bonner To: costello-forshey Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: Re: my copyrighted poem is being used on your site HI again Cheryl, To go into every Fidonet system operators message/storage base really isn't possible. But I would be delighted to submit the "correct version" to the Editor for a reprint. I'm not the Ed anymore, in fact there has been two Editors since me. But I think he will accept my submission as the correct thing to do AS you have offered permission. Incidentally that is a neat trick to check on "Author unknown" items, THANKS! I will be using that lil' trick in the future. So if you will send me your latest version quick, I will get it into the editor for release Sunday, with apologies to you attached for sure. Thanks for your time! Hugs warmly returned. FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 9 10 Jun 2002 Ol'wdb ----- Original Message ----- From: costello-forshey To: Warren Bonner Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:16 AM Subject: Re: my copyrighted poem is being used on your site THANK YOU FOR DOING SO---I GUESS IF THAT'S ALL THAT CAN BE DONE---THAT'S ALL THAT CAN BE DONE. : ) I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. I'VE ATTACHED THE CORRECT AND COPYRIGHTED VERSION. GOD BLESS---HUGS---AND MUCH HAPPINESS, CHERYL ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 10 10 Jun 2002 ================================================================= CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ================================================================= Children's letters to God Dear God, Did you mean for the giraffe to look like that or was it an accident? -Norma Dear God, Instead of letting people die and having to make new ones, why don't You just keep the ones You have now? -Jane Dear God, Who draws the lines around the countries? -Nan Dear God, I went to this wedding and they kissed right in church. Is that okay? -Neil Dear God, What does it mean You are a Jealous God? I thought You had everything. -Jane Dear God, Did you really mean "do unto others as they do unto you"? Because if you did, then I'm going to fix my brother! -Darla Dear God, Thank you for the baby brother, but what I prayed for was a puppy. -Joyce Dear God, It rained for our whole vacation and is my father mad! He said some things about You that people are not supposed to say, but I hope You will not hurt him anyway. Your friend. (But I am not going to tell you who I am) Dear God, Why is Sunday school on Sunday? I thought it was supposed to be our day of rest. -Tom L. Dear God, Please send me a pony. I never asked for anything before, You can look it up. -Bruce Dear God, My brother is a rat. You should give him a tail. Ha ha. -Danny Dear God, Maybe Cain and Abel would not kill each other so much if they had their own rooms. It works with my brother. -Larry Dear God, I want to be just like my Daddy when I get big, but not with so much FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 11 10 Jun 2002 hair all over. -Sam Dear God, I think the stapler is one of your goodest inventions. -Ruth M. Dear God, I bet it is very hard for You to love all of everybody in the whole world. There are only 4 people in our family and I can never do it. -Nan Dear God, If You watch me in church Sunday, I'll show You my new shoes. -Mickey Dear God, I would like to live 900 years like the guy in the Bible. Love, Chris Dear God, We read Thomas Edison made light. But in school they said You did it. So I bet he stoled your idea. -Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage in heaven? By Warren Bonner On their way to get married, a young couple is involved in a fatal car accident. The couple find themselves sitting outside the Pearly Gates waiting for St. Peter to process them into Heaven. While waiting, they begin to wonder, COULD they possibly get married in Heaven? When St. Peter shows up, they asked him. St. Peter says, "I don't know, this is the first time anyone has asked. Let me go find out." And he leaves. The couple sat and waited for an answer . . . for a couple of months . . . and they discussed if they were allowed to get married in Heaven, SHOULD they get married, what with the eternal aspect of it all. "What if it doesn't work?" they wondered, "Are we stuck together forever?" After yet another month, St. Peter finally returns, looking somewhat bedraggled. "Yes," he informs the couple, "you CAN get married in Heaven." Great!" said the couple, "But we were just wondering, what if things don't work out? Could we also get a divorce in Heaven?" St. Peter, red - faced, slams his clipboard onto the ground. "What's wrong?" asked the frightened couple. FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 12 10 Jun 2002 "OH, COME ON!" St. Peter shouts, "It took me three months to find a priest up here! Do you have ANY idea how long it'll take me to find a lawyer?!!!!!" Ol'wdb ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 13 10 Jun 2002 ================================================================= TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= Fidonet Software List By Todd Cochrane Type: B=BBS D=Door M=Mailer T=Tosser C=Communication (terminal) U=Utility P=Point Software I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...) <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+> ( Software Name ) |Type| ( Author/Contact ) <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+> |BBBS Home Page |B | b@bbbs.net | | | | www.bbbs.net/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |ELEBBS The Elevator |B | elebbs@elebbs.com | |Software Production | | www.elebbs.com | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Hermes II Project |B | info@HermesII.org | | | | http://www.hermesii.org/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Maximus BBS Support |B | sales@lainus.com | |Page (Non Official) | | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |MBSE BBS |B | Michiel Broek | | | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net | | | | http://mbse.sourceforge.net | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Mystic BBS |B | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/ | | | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Nexus Bulletin |B | groberts@nexusbbs.net | |Board System | | http://www.nexusbbs.net/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC | info@telegrafix.com | |Telegrafix | | http://www.telegrafix.com | |Communications | | 540-678-4050 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |RemoteAccess |B | Bruce Morse | |Central | | bfmorse@rapro.com | | | | http://www.rapro.com/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Spitfire BBS |B | MDWoltz@AOL.COM | |Buffalo Creek Software | |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Synchronet BBS |BT | sysop@vert.synchro.net | | | | http://www.synchro.net | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Telegard BBS |B | support@telegard.net | | | | http://www.telegard.net/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Wildcat Interactive |BTMI| sales@santronics.com | |Net Server | | http://www.santronics.com | FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 14 10 Jun 2002 |Plantinum Express | |(305)248-3204 | | | | Santronics Inc. | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Bentstone Capabilities |D | info@stonebenders.com | |Group | | http://www.srupc.com/mall | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Jibben Software |D | scott@jibben.com | | | | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |JNS Software Door Games|D | Rusty Johnson | | | | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com | | | | 304-733-0113 | | | | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Legend Of The Red |D | | |Dragon Reborn | | | |(L.O.R.D.) | | http://www.lordlegacy.org/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |PC Pursuits |D |brucep@pop.kis.net | | | |(301)240-6653 | | | |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |S and T Software |D |Mark Bappe | | | |mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net | | | |(770)788-6843 | | | |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Shinning Star BBS Doors|D |nannette@shiningstar.net | | | |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Sunrise Door Software |D |Al Lawerence | | | |al@sunrisedoors.com | | | |(404)256-9518 | | | |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |The Brainex System |D |info@brainex.com | | | |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Trade Wars Door Game |D |jpritch@eisonline.com | | | |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ | | | |1:299/110 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Vagabond Software |D |Bryan Turner | | | |vagabond@darktech.org | | | |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/ | | | |1:124/7013 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |FMail Support |T |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org | | | |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/ | | | |2:280/1076 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Squish Tosser |T |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Argus RITLABS |M |argus@ritlabs.com | | | |373-2-246889 | | | |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ | FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 15 10 Jun 2002 | | |2:469/84 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |FrontDoor |MTPC|Definite Solutions | |FrontDoor APX | |sales@defsol.se | |Mailer/Point Software | |http://www.defsol.se/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |BeeMail Home Page |M |http://beemail.gexonline.net | | | |Stephen Proffit | | | |1:211/405 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/ | |Frontend Mailer | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |BinkD |MI |maloff@corbina.net | | | |http://2f.ru/binkd/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Fidogate |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net | | | |http://www.fidogate.org/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Fidonet to Internet |IM |Bo Bendtsen | |Mailer | |sales@terminate.com | | | |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |GiGo Software |UI |http://www.gigo.com/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Internet Rex |IM |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca | | | |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Tmail |IM |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm | |(Russian /w English DL)| | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |TransX Multiboard |M |support@multiboard.com | |Communications Inc. | |http://www.multiboard.com/software/ | | | |transx.html | | | |1:2401/305 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |TransNet |I |transnet@ressl.com.ar | | | |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Watergate |I |ramon@sbbs.se | | | |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU |http://www.jetsys.de/ | |JetStat and other Atari| | | |Fidonet utilities | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |APoint (Author) |P |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm| | | |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho) | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |CrossPoint |P |("Original" version) | | | |http://www.crosspoint.de | | | |http://www.apoint-mail.de | | | |(OpenXP Projekt) | | | |http://www.openxp.com (English) | | | |http://www.openxp.de (German) | | | |CrossPoint (XP2 Team) | FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 16 10 Jun 2002 | | |http://www.xp2.de | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |WinPoint95 |P |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |The OpenXP CrossPoint |P |http://www.happyarts.de/xp | |Projekt | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Terminate Terminal |P |http://www.terminate.com | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |PPoint-FTS compatible |P |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm | |E-Mail System | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| \====================================================================/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 17 10 Jun 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' 2002-06-07 Send updates, corrections and suggestions to 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UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c 218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c 220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c 229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? | 229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c 261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c 275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c 323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 393/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c 379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c 2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c 2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c 2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c 3830/9 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|? -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c 28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c 47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 53/558 |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|?? 201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c 201/505 | G”ran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c 201/600 | H†kan Andersson |BinkP,FTP |512kbps| n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k | n/c 211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c 221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c 255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c 263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c 280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 20 10 Jun 2002 280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c 280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c 292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c 292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c 341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | | 341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | | 343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | | 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | | 348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | | 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 21 10 Jun 2002 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c 774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 6 65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free 653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free 654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free 654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * TX = TransX * NFS = Linux Networking * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer * QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.fidotel.com (currently offline) news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 22 10 Jun 2002 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.158 size 1100.4kb date 2002-06-07 The nodelist has 9869 nodes in it and a total of 12773 non-comment entries including 6 zones 63 regions 466 hosts 674 hubs admin overhead 1209 ( 12.25 %) and 928 private nodes 375 nodes down 392 nodes on hold off line overhead 1695 ( 17.17 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 919 ( 9.31 %) 9600 = 8449 ( 85.61 %) (HST = 181 or 2.14 %) (CSP = 1 or 0.01 %) (PEP = 12 or 0.14 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 1 or 0.01 %) (V32 = 4734 or 56.03 %) (V32B = 498 or 5.89 %) (V34 = 5647 or 66.84 %) (V42 = 4658 or 55.13 %) (V42B = 518 or 6.13 %) 2400 = 106 ( 1.07 %) 1200 = 7 ( 0.07 %) 300 = 388 ( 3.93 %) ISDN = 1009 ( 10.22 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3572 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 23 10 Jun 2002 XB Binkleyterm 2.0 8 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 10 -------------------------------------- XP Seadog 6 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 60 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 391 Tabby KittenMail -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 4392 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 T-Mail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1430 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 3182 ( 32.24 %) MailOnly nodes = 5342 ( 54.13 %) Listed-only nodes = 774 ( 7.84 %) Other = 571 ( 5.79 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-23 Page 24 10 Jun 2002 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred method if you want reasonable control over how the published article will appear in the Fidonews: a) Plain ASCII text. 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