The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 43 28 Oct 2002 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | | | | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash netmail articles to: | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-944907) | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Routed netmail articles to: | | \_______\(_| /_) | Bjorn Felten @ 2:203/0 | | _ @/_ \ _ | Email attach to: | | | | \ \\ | bfelten@telia.com | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1 2. INSIDE ................................................... 2 The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 2 3. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 3 How NOT to list an ION ................................... 3 2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U ........................ 5 4. FIDONET CURRENT EVENTS ................................... 7 P4 amendment referendum .................................. 7 5. REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ........................... 9 Rebuttal to Petko Bossakov ............................... 9 6. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 11 Crock-O-Peas ............................................. 11 7. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ..................................... 12 Mixed collection of jokes ................................ 12 8. BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................... 14 FIDONet Software References .............................. 14 9. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 19 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 19 10. SPECIAL INTEREST ........................................ 24 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 24 11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 26 How to Submit an Article ................................. 26 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 28 FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 1 28 Oct 2002 ================================================================= FOOD FOR THOUGHT ================================================================= "It is a well known fact that those people who most _want_ to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do so." -- Douglas Adams ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 2 28 Oct 2002 ================================================================= INSIDE ================================================================= The Fidonews at a Glance As promised, you can find part two of Carol's FAQ about listing Internet Only Nodes in this week's issue. Or, in this part, rather "How NOT to list an ION". The motorcycle trip down under now has reached day 5, as usual the name of the article is "2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U". The work with changing Policy 4 has been going on quite some time now. Read about how the work has progressed in "P4 amendment referendum". Frank Vest has written down some thoughts about Petko's article last week, you know, the one about a new BBS interface layer, this in "Rebuttal to Petko Bossakov". In the kitchen, Carol once again uses her crock pot, this week for making "Crock-O-Peas". And finally we've accumulated quite a mixture of jokes from Warren Bonner, here you have a bunch of them in "Mixed collection of jokes". ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 3 28 Oct 2002 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= How NOT to list an ION Otherwise known as: How to SERIOUSLY MESS UP A SEGMENT Draft1, 29 March 2001 By Carol Shenkenberger, 6:757/1 This is the first in a training series for the prospective RC13 who will as of this writing, be known in 2 days or after a runoff. One thing every good RC does, is assist NC's. Sometimes that means assisting them with nodelisting skills. It's especially common to need some help when it's an ION who needs listing, if it's the NC's first. Suprisingly (evil grin) ION's dont have a better idea about how to list themselves than the NC does, commonly enough. That means the NC cant just 'take their word for it' but needs to check some things. Check 1: If they gave you data for the phone field- a. Was it -UnPublished- ? Good if they have no static IP (Special note: Cant be /0 or HUB keyworded) b. If an 'IP' was it starting with 000- ? (NOT 1-000- but 000- !!!!) c. Did it have an email address in the phone field? Take that out if so. It wont process. Check 2: If they use email for passing echomail traffic- a. Did they list it in the 'bbsnamefield' where it belongs or attached to one of the flags for email-attachment methods? b. If they listed it in the 'sysopnamefield' are they aware no software looks for it there and that a prospective contact person looking for 'Joe Smith' from a post will never figure out from a front end mailer (FrontDoor, ARGUS, etc) the address for 'Joe Smith' if the sysop name field has 'pookie@fun.com' as it's entry? Check 3: If they use FTP/TELNET/BINKP etc for passing traffic- a. Did they put the DNS lookup name for their site in the bbsname area or attached to one of the flags pertinent for that? b. If they use both email-attachment methods and an FTP/etc type of method, did they list at least one of them in the 'bbsnamefield' (or if static IP involved, in phone FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 4 28 Oct 2002 and bbsnamefield for email address)? Check 4: Did they remember to remove the flags for modem types- a. ION's in Z1 are 300 baud b. ION's have no modem flags such as V32,VFC etc. They do apply to this situation as no one is dialing you POTS, _even if you are dialing your ISP via a POTS line_. Check 5: Does it fit the specs- a. I'm calling this a draft as I do not know all the specs. one I know is several fields and all 'user flags' are limited to 32 characters max including the keyword and possible : b. Is the total less than or equal to, what makenl can handle? This is uncertain to me but seems to be 154 or so total. Ward Dossche is the only one I know of who ran into an otherwise compliant listing, that hit this marker. Special Note: There is no 'standard' for what we do, in Z1, when faced with the ION NC or HUB. a. In R13, internal net routing is used for the HUB situation (allowing them to do the same thing but no HUB keyword is applied nor will a mailer default route to them). b. ION NC's are a serious problem under P4 due to requirement to route inbound netmail traffic and software that will default to the NC if the node under them is 'PVT' and that a new/returning node with POTS only cant reach them. xxcarol ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 5 28 Oct 2002 2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U Submitted by David Drummond, 3:640/305 Day 5 - Thursday 8th August (Winton to Boulia) It started blowing in the night. The snapping of the fly was getting pretty annoying, so David took it down around midnight. Our clothes were dry in the morning! We were a bit disconcerted when all the signs to Boulia were the same ones to Cloncurry, but it seems the turnoff is a few kays out of town. Followed a ute with a blue canopy all the way to Middleton where we stopped for fuel. After the flat featureless plains at the start, there rises a range of hills and mesas. They were dark red on the top blending down to pale pink on the skirt - quite lovely. Middleton Pub is a real treat. Old, full of character but with a real friendly atmosphere. Beautiful flagstone pathways outside. The famous "Middleton Hilton" is over the road. This is just a quaint shelter shed with picnic tables under the thatch. Half way along the next bit of road, there was a lookout at the top of one of the hillocks. It had 2 roads up it - a steep one, straight up, and a more gentle one sloping up the side. David took the steep one, and was quite alarmed when he got there to find large holes and washouts in the face, along with loose rocks. He just wound on the throttle (as you do!) and hoped he wouldn't shoot right over the tope and down the other side. He was relieved when he got the top unscathed. Glad I didn't try that one! The rest of the trip into Boulia was uneventful. We were the first bikes into the caravan park, but heard of several already at the pub. During the course of the afternoon, a whole swag of bikes arrived and we were glad to meet up with many people that we hadn't seen for 2 years or more. It is always interesting to see who will turn up that we recognise from past events. I was especially pleased to greet Manfred and Reggie (known as "The Swiss") who come out each two years especially for the Off Centre Rally. Also were happily surprised to see Steve Otter (from the BM Workshop) and Senga were among the bunch that arrived. We had been to the Kimberley 2 years ago with them. Am now starting to really enjoy the holiday. Good friends are what it's all about it, aren't they? Must be at last starting to wind down from the stresses of working life. Dinner at the Pub that night was a large, boisterous affair. I don't think the pub coped all that well with the unexpected influx. Even I was surprised at how many people were there. Was amused when a local man, entering the dining room, stepped back with an involuntary "Holy Moses!" Rick rang his friend on Badalia station (along the Donohue Highway) to enquire about the state of the roads in the area. He said the Donohue wasn't in as good nick as it was 2 years ago when we did it. He also suggested going through the Roxborough Downs road (following the Georgina River) rather than going out to Tobermorey, as it now a public road. Much discussion about this, as a "river" road sounds like it could be sandy. Also a friend of mine had done the Donohue in a 4WD three weeks earlier and spoke if it being "pretty bad". FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 6 28 Oct 2002 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 7 28 Oct 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET CURRENT EVENTS ================================================================= P4 amendment referendum (A synopsis of proposed changes to Policy 4.07, as submitted to the International Coordinator) By: Bob Short 1:105/38 bsbbser@juno.com Since 1989, FidoNet Policy 4.07 has remained a stagnent and vritually unchangable document, which maintains restrictive requirements on the mechanism in which change is accomplished. Many radical and extensive amendments have been presented in the past, but have failed. Also, the Coordinator structure has historically demonstrated an unwillingness to consider changes to Policy. Todays Coordinators have shown a greater interest in bringing Policy more in line with current technological and geo-political changes. This proposed amendnemt will afford them those opportunities. During the past year, many concerned nodes have gathered in the FIDOPOLS echo to discuss and debate an amendment which facilitates futures changes to Policy. Following is a summery of proposed changes to Policy 4.07, as discussed and agreed upon by these and other contributors: Gordon Lewicky 1:153/307 Frank Vest 1:124/6308 Martin Foster 2:250/333 Carol Shenkenberger 6:730/275 Steven Horn 1:17/67 Dale Shipp 1:261/1466 Kay Shapero 1:102/0 Jack Sargeant 1:379/12 Scott Little 3:712/848 Michiel Van Der Vlist 2:280/5555 Wolf Szczypiorkowsk 1:249/308 Douglas H Connor 1:132/500 Michael Grant 1:134/11 Jos Huijnen 2:280/4312 Jan Vermeulen 2:28/0 Ross Cassell 1:18/0 Renato Zambon 4:4/0 Vlad Hrusca 2:53/558 Janis kracht 1:1/0 Brenda Donovan 1:10/0 Jerry Schwartz 1:16/0 Dallas Hinton 1:153/715 Joe Delaheye 1:249/303 Werner Dworak 2:2487/0 Warren Bonner 1:103/401 Paul Williams 1:387/710 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Removing specific contact info for the FidoNews editor, to allow for an editor outside of Zone one: - Removing specific numbers from the opening historical preamble - Several changes to, and a clearer formatting of, section 8, including: Enumeration of the 3 stages of policy change (Initiation, Referendum, and Ratification). FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 8 28 Oct 2002 Adding minimum votes required in each stage to validate each one. IE: 5% for initiation, 10% for referendum, and 10% for ratification. Designating "abstain" as a validating vote only, yet not counted either as "yes" or "no". Allowing the IC to name a delegate(s) to conduct the process of policy change, and adding provisions for cases where the IC position is empty during policy change proceedings. Changing the requirements for referendum to a majority of responding RC's, instead of all RC's. Adding that initiations to policy be accompanied by a sysopsis of the proposed changes, with reasons why they are desired, and suggesting it be preceeded by informal debate and agreement among the drafters. Placing specific lengths to periods of debate and voting during the initiation and ratification stages, and minimum time periods for voting. Removing the "voting on multiple documents" reference, and calling for separate ballots for each proposal, yet allowing for sequential ballots within a voting period. Requiring that any proposal include amendents to all relevant sections, to avoid inconsistancies to a ratified document. Re-referencing pointers in 8.7 (Impeachment) to pertinent sections. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 9 28 Oct 2002 ================================================================= REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ================================================================= Rebuttal to Petko Bossakov By Frank Vest 1:124/6308.1 Last week, Petko Bossakov wrote an article for the Fidonews titled "Implementing a common standard for a higher BBS interface layer". I think he has some good points. At the same time, I see some problems... I agree that Fidonet needs more Users. Users were the reason many of us started a BBS in the first place... and when the last User leaves the BBS, that is often the reason we close the BBS down and leave Fidonet. I'm not sure that Fidonet needs new entry points. As mentioned, Fidonet has telnet and dial-up access. A GUI interface would be nice and some BBS programs have that now. ELEBBS is one that I know of.... and it is freeware. Santronics' "Winserver" is another, but it is not free. From what I think I am hearing, the freeware BBS packages that offer a GUI don't have any more of a User base than the telnet ones. The commercial BBS products may have more of a User base, but let's look at the "why" of that. Commercial products such as "Winserver" offer a dial-up connection to the Internet. The Users can dial into the software and then access the Internet with their browser (Can you say "America OnLine"?). From what I hear, most Users of the commercial BBS software want the Internet access and seldom participate on the BBS side. It would seem that simply adding a GUI interface is not the answer. Now, I'll agree that Fidonet needs more publicity. I'll give in that a GUI interface is nice.... However, what Fidonet really needs is a way for Users to dial into a BBS with their "dial-up networking" and gain access. Most potential Users have no idea of how to set up a terminal program. Few have any idea of how to telnet into a BBS with any sort of telnet application.... BUT!.. almost every potential User knows how to click on their web browser and let the "dial-up networking" connect them to the Internet. I think that the above paragraph is what Petko is proposing. That, in itself, is a good idea and might have the potential to gather some Users. The transfer of files is not going to be a problem. FTP will work once a User get a connect with their dial-up networking. Security will be somewhat of an issue, but not that much of a problem except for those that come in from the Internet via some ISP. For those that dial into the BBS with their dial-up networking program, the security will be easy. The dial-up networking takes care of it with a user name and password to gain access. The problem isn't going to be the idea. The problem is going to be getting the program written. FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 10 28 Oct 2002 To get such a program written... one that will allow a User to dial into a computer with their modem and access the web based GUI with their browser will not be free. To write such a program would be to re-invent America OnLine or Winserver. That would be fine, except that Fidonet is a hobby. Few software authors with the ability to write such a program are going to be willing to spend the time required to write such a piece of software for free... or even at a cost that most Sysops could afford. These programmers have a real job with families that need support. To spend the time and energy required to write a program such as Winserver would mean a full time job with no pay. I don't think that is likely. What could be, and is slowly being, done is alternate ways to access Fidonet. Security being the main issue here, a nice GUI interface for those Users that have Internet access and want access via their web browser. A "news server" for Fidonet echos. Users can access Fidonet via their news client just like a newsgroup. Again, security is the main issue. A means to log in that is secure. The strength of Fidonet is the lack of spam in our message echos and the inability for spammers to "harvest" e-mail addresses. To maintain this, any means of access must have the security to allow the Sysop to prevent spam. Another good idea would be a dial-up interface that would connect to a telnet BBS software package. It seems that Fidonet is moving towards the telnet access at the present time. This is good, as it is progress in a direction that allows more Users a means to access a BBS. The down side is that dial-up access is dropping by the wayside. With BBS software becoming more and more "telnet only" with no means for a User to dial up their local BBS, many Users find one day that their favorite BBS is "gone", when, in fact, the Sysop has simply went telnet only because the software s/he is using dropped the dial-up ability. When this happens, the User is gone too... s/he goes to the Internet and is lost to Fidonet. :( An interface program that would accept a dial-up connection and then telnet to the BBS would "plug" this gap. The interface program could also be able to be called from a front end program such as Frontdoor, Binkley, Argus or other such Fidonet front end. At least, with such a program, Fidonet might keep some of the current Users.... perhaps even gain a few. I understand that Synchronet BBS is working on such an interface at this time. I could be wrong, but I hope I am right. I think Petko has some good ideas here and I hope I have added some good criticism as well as ideas. Fidonet just needs to build on these ideas, but be careful in the process. We can open up the world of Fidonet to to the world... but let's be careful how we do it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 11 28 Oct 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN ================================================================= Crock-O-Peas Yield: 12 Servings 2 c Dry black eyed peas 1 lg Onion, chopped roughly 1 ea Hamhock (optional) Water to 3/4 of crockpot Salt to taste Black pepper to taste This is a time honored crockpot recipe for black-eyed peas. The meat is optional and dieters will find it tastes just fine without the ham-hock, or with just a few cubes of ham. A virtually meatfree ham-bone will do also. Spam lovers can use chunks of spam. Put the beans in the crockpot, and add the rest of the dry ingredients. The salt and black pepper amounts will vary with your desires, but I normally start with a tablespoon of each. Cook on low for 12 hours. Serve as a side dish, or as a min dish over rice. Keeps well in a crockpot for up to 2 days. For gravy, take 1/2 cup of the liquid, and 1/2 cup of the beans, and smoothe in a blender. Add more beans if not thick enough for your desires, Use on rice, potatoes, and meats. From the kitchen of: xxcarol ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 12 28 Oct 2002 ================================================================= CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ================================================================= Mixed collection of jokes Passed to wdbonner@pacbell.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- And you thought all blonds were dumb A blonde in her fourth freshman year at UCLA, sat in her U.S. Government Class, when the professor asked her if she knew what the Roe vs. Wade decision was. She sat there for quite a while pondering this very profound question and finally sighed and said, "I think that is the decision George Washington made prior to crossing the Delaware!" ---------------------------------------------------------------- Grounds For Divorce A judge was interviewing a woman regarding her pending divorce, and asked, "What are the grounds for your divorce?" She replied, "About four acres and a nice little home in the middle of the property with a stream running by." "No," he said, "I mean what is the foundation of this case?" "It is made of concrete, brick and mortar," she responded. "I mean," he continued, "What are your relations like?" "I have an aunt and uncle living here in town, and so does my husband's parents." He said, "Do you have a real grudge?" "No," she replied, "We have a two-car carport and have never really needed one." "Please," he tried again, "is there any infidelity in your marriage?" "Yes, both my son and daughter have stereo sets. We don't necessarily like the music, but the answer to your questions is yes." "Ma'am, does your husband ever beat you up?" "Yes," she responded, "about twice a week he gets up earlier than I do." Finally, in frustration, the judge asked, "Lady, why do you want a divorce?" FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 13 28 Oct 2002 "Oh, I don't want a divorce," she replied. "I've never wanted a divorce. My husband does. He said he can't communicate with me!" ---------------------------------------------------------------- A student of proctology is in the morgue one day for lab work, wanting to get a little practice in before the final exams. He goes over to a table where a body is lying face down. He uncovers the sheet over the body, and upon examination he finds a cork in the corpse's rectum. Figuring that this is quite unusual, he pulls the cork out, and to his surprise, music begins playing: "On the road again...just can't wait to get on the road again..." The student is amazed and puzzled, and places the cork back in the backside. The music stops. Totally freaked out, the student calls Dr. Lee the Medical Examiner over to the corpse. "Look at this, this is really something," the student tells the examiner as he pulls the cork back out again. "On the road again...just can't wait to get on the road again..." "So what?" the Medical Examiner replies, unimpressed with the student's discovery. "But isn't that the most amazing thing you've ever seen?" asked the student. "Are you kidding?" replied the Examiner, "Any as-h-le can sing country music." ---------------------------------------------------------------- When you are in your casket, and friends, family and congregates are mourning over you, what would you like to hear them say?" Episcopal Priest: "I would like to hear them say that I was a wonderful husband, a fine spiritual leader, and a great family man." Catholic Priest: "I would like to hear that I was an excellent teacher and a servant of God who made a huge difference in peoples' lives." Rabbi: "I would like to hear them say, 'Look, he's moving.'" ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 14 28 Oct 2002 ================================================================= BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= -=:{ FIDONet Software Reference }:=- Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info .- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node| `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -' Argus |M |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84 | | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889 | | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001 BeeMail: |M |http://beemail.gexonline.net 1:105/10 Stephen Proffit | | BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102 | | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998 BinkD |MI |http://2f.ru/binkd/ | | maloff@corbina.net | | v0.94 on Jul 24th 2000 Fidonet to Internet: |MI |http://www.terminate.com Bo Bendtsen | | sales@terminate.com | | v2.00 on Mar23rd 1997 FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330 Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101 | | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX Husky Project |MTPUI|http://husky.sf.net RC2: Sep 18th 2002 InterMail, InterEcho,|MT |http://www.ifido.com 1:1/133 Allfix | | sales@ifido.com | | v2.50 IM, v1.19 IE, v5.13 AF Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608 WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204 Software, Inc. | | AUP 450.2 on Jul 9th 2002 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org | | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.4 FMail |T |http://fmail.nl.eu.org 2:280/1076 | | wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org v1.60 JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 15 28 Oct 2002 (ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000 Squish |T |http://www.lanius.com | | sales@lanius.com v1.11 | |http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ Synchronet BBS |TB |http://www.synchro.net | | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net | | v3.10i Beta on Apr 30th 2002 Watergate |TUI |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/ | | ramon@sbbs.se | | v0.93p9 on Dec 14th 1998 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net | | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222 ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com | | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002 Falken BBS |B |http://falkenbbs.com | | v12.0 on Feb 2nd 2002 Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org | | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final Maximus BBS |B |http://www.lanius.com | | sales@lanius.com v3.01 | |http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802 Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net | | v0.33.21 on Jun 4th 2002 Mystic BBS |B |http://www.mysticbbs.com | | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001 Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net | | groberts@nexusbbs.net | | v0.99.41.001 beta on Jun 10th 2001 Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be | | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002 RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120 Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com | | v2.62.2SW Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150 | | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999 Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net | | support@telegard.net FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 16 28 Oct 2002 | | v3.09g2 SP4 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/ | | last update: Jun 2002 BBS Central |D |http://www.rpcomputers.com Bentstone |D |http://www.srupc.com/mall Capabilities Group | | info@stonebenders.com Cheepware: |D |http://www.midnightshour.org/cheepware/ Sean Dennis | | 1:11/200 DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201 Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org Ruth Argust | | DoorMUD |D |http://www.dmud.thebbs.org | | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002 Elysium Software |D |http://www.elysoft.com | | mpreslar@mailcity.com Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com | | scott@jibben.com | | 1995-99 Release dates JNS Software: |D |http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ Rusty Johnson | | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com | | Tel: (304) 733-0113 John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com | | support@johndaileysoftware.com LORD (Legend of the |D |http://www.lordlegacy.org Red Dragon) Reborn | | mike@lordlegacy.org | | v4.06 on Feb 5th 2001 Lord-II IGMs |D |http://www.shelby.net/wizards/lord2igm/ PC Pursuits |D |http://www.pcpursuits.com | | brucep@pop.kis.net | | Tel: (301) 240-6653 Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ | | nannette@shiningstar.net Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com | | Tel: (404) 256-9518 The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ | | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 17 28 Oct 2002 | | jpritch@eisonline.com | | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002 Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013 Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org | | last update: Jul 17th 2002 (various) |D |http://www.webnexus.com/users/etow/ +- - 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UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c 218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c 220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c 229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? | 229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c 261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c 275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c 323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 393/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c 379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c 2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c 2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c 2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3634/12 | Mark Lewis |FTP,VMoT,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c 3830/9 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|? -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c 28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c 47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 53/558 |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|?? 201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c 201/505 | G”ran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c 201/600 | H†kan Andersson |BinkP,FTP |512kbps| n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k | n/c 211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c 221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c 255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 22 28 Oct 2002 263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c 280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c 280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE, BinkP | 128k | n/c 292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c 341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | | 341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | | 343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | | 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | | 348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | | 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 23 28 Oct 2002 633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c 774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 6 65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free 653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free 654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free 654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * TX = TransX * NFS = Linux Networking * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer * QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.fidotel.com (currently offline) news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 24 28 Oct 2002 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.298 size 1042.7kb date 2002-10-25 The nodelist has 9342 nodes in it and a total of 12074 non-comment entries including 6 zones 59 regions 453 hosts 636 hubs admin overhead 1154 ( 12.35 %) and 921 private nodes 298 nodes down 359 nodes on hold off line overhead 1578 ( 16.89 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 723 ( 7.74 %) 9600 = 8123 ( 86.95 %) (HST = 175 or 2.15 %) (CSP = 1 or 0.01 %) (PEP = 12 or 0.15 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 1 or 0.01 %) (V32 = 4415 or 54.35 %) (V32B = 460 or 5.66 %) (V34 = 5370 or 66.11 %) (V42 = 4425 or 54.47 %) (V42B = 479 or 5.90 %) 2400 = 93 ( 1.00 %) 1200 = 8 ( 0.09 %) 300 = 395 ( 4.23 %) ISDN = 935 ( 10.01 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3289 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 25 28 Oct 2002 XB Binkleyterm 2.0 8 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 10 -------------------------------------- XP Seadog 6 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 52 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 379 Tabby KittenMail -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 4159 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 T-Mail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1439 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 2960 ( 31.68 %) MailOnly nodes = 5066 ( 54.23 %) Listed-only nodes = 719 ( 7.70 %) Other = 597 ( 6.39 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-43 Page 26 28 Oct 2002 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred method if you want reasonable control over how the published article will appear in the Fidonews: a) Plain ASCII text. 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