The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 46 18 Nov 2002 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | | | | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash netmail articles to: | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-944907) | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Routed netmail articles to: | | \_______\(_| /_) | Bjorn Felten @ 2:203/0 | | _ @/_ \ _ | Email attach to: | | | | \ \\ | bfelten@telia.com | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. INSIDE ................................................... 1 The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 1 2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2 FTSC Nominations, second attempt ......................... 2 2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U ........................ 3 3. REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ........................... 5 Rebuttal to "The Future of Fidonet Standards" ............ 5 4. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 6 Xxcarol's Japan 'Pulled Turkey' .......................... 6 5. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ..................................... 7 Physics Test ............................................. 7 6. BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................... 9 FIDONet Software References .............................. 9 7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 14 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 14 8. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 19 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 19 9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 21 How to Submit an Article ................................. 21 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 23 FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 1 18 Nov 2002 ================================================================= INSIDE ================================================================= The Fidonews at a Glance The FTSC situation is an ongoing event, this week we have an article from G”ran Eriksson, "FTSC Nominations, second attempt", with some novel ideas on how to make the committee work better in the future. In our travel report from Oz, we have a more eventful day than the last one, from day eight of the "2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U". More on the FTSC in Frank Vest's "Rebuttal to 'The Future of Fidonet Standards'" in our special rebuttal column. The international kitchen once again finds it's way to Japan where Carol prepares "Xxcarol's Japan 'Pulled Turkey'". And then finally a joke from Warren's archives, "Physics Test". ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 2 18 Nov 2002 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= FTSC Nominations, second attempt by Goran Eriksson, 2:201/505, get@get.pp.se Seeing the turns of the current election process for FTSC standing members, I would like to repeat the following proposal that I put forward for the first time in 1999: When working with the preparations for the FTSC elections just concluded, it struck me how foreign the nomination process prescribed by FTA-1001 is to me. In my neck of the woods, the normal thing would be for candidates in FTSC elections to nominate themselves and present themselves and their merits. The electorate would be trusted to make a sound choice between the candidates based on that information and on other information available to each member of the electorate. Certainly, formal nomination procedures like those prescribed by FTA-1001 are sometimes used also around here. In other cases, the nomination procedure may formally be open, but you don't stand any real chance if you're not recommended by the appointed nomination committee. In an organization like the FTSC as well as the FidoNet as a whole, the norm would however be that anyone may nominate anyone. Even her-/himself. Seconded nominations may occur but are not required. I therefore suggest that FTA-1001 is changed accordingly. You're invited to take part in the discussion about this suggestion in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail conference. That's where the FTSC has to seek consensus for changes like these. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 3 18 Nov 2002 2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U Submitted by David Drummond, 3:640/305 Day 8 - Sunday 11th August (Urandangie to Mt Isa) Well. What an eventful day. Waited for the sun to rise a fair way and for a breeze to come up, as the first few away were looking right into the sun, and the dust was just hanging in the air - not ideal dirt riding conditions. After a leisurely breakfast, pack and chat, Phil Gresham discovered he had a bit of a problem. While he was showing off his fabulous Ohlins rear shock, we got a shock himself to see no bolt holding the rear mount. There was part of the bolt on the other side, so it seems to have sheared off. After a good scrounge around, he managed to get hold of a bolt that would do the job. It wasn't quite thick enough and was too long. A visit to the bush mechanic at Urandangie got some metal to make a shim out of, to take up some of the slack, and a hacksaw to shorten the bolt. Rick, David and I decided to head off to Mt Isa, not long after Manfred and Reggie. We had decided to stop at the 50km mark to regroup. I was in the lead and had caught up to one 4WD and trailer on a fairly good stretch. He let me past. I caught up to another one in amongst the bulldust holes, and as it was around the 50km mark, I pulled over to wait for the others. David came along shortly after. We waited and waited for Rick. After half an hour, we thought something must have happened, as he surely couldn't be riding that slowly, so we turned back. Another bike came along almost immediately, and I was ready to give Rick a piece of my mind for making me do U-turns, when I realised it wasn't Rick after all. The fellow said Rick had come off a long way back and had a broken collar bone and ribs. Oh. We kept going back to Urandangie, meeting several bikes along the way. RTO stopped us and confirmed the reports. He said there were plenty of people there, so he would keep going. When we got back to Urandangie, Rick was on a mattress in the back of the publican's F250 4WD truck in a lot of pain. Steve Otter had ridden Rick's bike back, but it was in a bit of a bad way. Senga was looking after Rock, along with another nurse who was also called Rick. He was one of the other motorcyclists (I think from Melbourne) still there. The RFDS had been called and would be out in a few hours time. Al Geritz was also there, helping out. The publican said he would take Rick's gear into Mt Isa tomorrow when he usually goes in, and would also take Rick's bike into Mt Isa, some time later. As it was now lunchtime, we had a toasted sandwich and a Coke at the pub, said farewell to Rick and set off again. From time to time, when the dust wasn't too bad, I checked to see if I could see David coming. Got to about the 50km mark again, and thought I should stop, as I couldn't see past my dust cloud. When it had settled, there was no sign of David. I waited about a minute, then FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 4 18 Nov 2002 found a fairly hard spot to turn around. Then back through the bulldust holes again. I came across him 7km back just near a cattle grid. to my immense relief, he wasn't lying in a crumpled heap on the side of the road, as I had imagined. He hadn't come off at all, but after thinking for quite a while that the road seemed to be much worse than he had remembered, he finally came to the conclusion that he had a flat front tyre. Unfortunately, even though we had a spare front tube, we don't have the skills or tools for changing it. David got the wheel off, I set up our fly for some shade and we both settled down on our camping stools to wait for someone to come along. After a couple of hours, a 4WD eventually emerged from the heat haze, heading towards Urandangie. We flagged them down and begged a lift for me, the wheel, spare tube and my helmet and jacket. The idea was that someone at Urandangie could change the tube for us, then I could get a lift back to David, the next morning if necessary. He had some food and water to tide him over. However, we had only gone about 5kms when we met Al Geritz, then Steve and Senga, who had tyre levers and expertise. My lift then took me back to David. I expressed my gratitude for their assistance, and Al and Steve started on the tyre. Steve I think was rather pleased to be using his brand new Metzler tyre levers. They were pretty schmick, but unfortunately the narrow tip snapped off when they were trying to break the bead. Despite that setback, they managed to change the tube and re-inflate the tyre using BMW compressed air canisters. We were very impressed with them. Note: Replace air canisters - 3 for us and 1 for Al. We should only have used 2, but the bead didn't pop the first time. Note: Remember to lubricate inside wheel rim with washing up liquid before inflating tyre. The conclusion was that it was caused by hitting a rock which had compressed the tyre in, and pinched the tube into the rim. There was 3cm rip in the carcass and two matching tears in the tube. David said the bike handled much better after that! So at last we managed to complete the last part of that road. It wasn't as bad going out as it was coming in. I was going faster (mostly 100kph), which helped. We stopped at the seal while Al took a photo of us by the sign. It was exactly 5 o'clock and my bike had just clocked 40,005 km since May 2000. We all rode up the sealed road to Mt Isa, found a caravan park, showered, then went to the town Leagues Club for an "All You Can Eat" buffet meal. We all went a little crazy and ate way too much, which meant we had to waddle back to the caravan park to end a most eventful day. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 5 18 Nov 2002 ================================================================= REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ================================================================= Rebuttal to "The Future of Fidonet Standards" By Frank Vest 1:124/6308.1 Last week, Michael Grant put forth an idea for a new Fidonet Standards Committee. Here's some thoughts on this: MG> membership, the IFS can then deem it a Fidonet Technical Standard. So, Fidonet replaces the FTSC with the IFS and things go on... The last thing Fidonet needs is another "committee" to deal with. We have widely used software, protocols and such. What we need is the FTSC to document these. Another thing that is overlooked in this article is "backward compatibility". The Internet doesn't worry much about being "backward compatible". Their motto seems to be "Run the latest and greatest". This is noted when one "surfs" to a web page that locks your system because of some "new standard" that hasn't become a "standard" yet.... but one software implements it and to heck with the rest if they have problems with it. This is also noted in the ever increasing of program size. If Fidonet follows the Internet /AND/ tries to remain backwards compatible to any degree, the "latest and greatest" Fidonet mailer will soon be 50 megs, if there is a "latest and greatest". It has been pointed out that creating software requires a motive. To create new software that is up to new standards while keeping old standards intact will require larger and larger programs. To get a software developer to do this for free is not going to be easy. By putting a "new" committee in place, Fidonet also has the problem of getting this "new IFS" recognized. As has been demonstrated may time in Fidonet, that will not be easy, if it is do'able at all. No, people. Fidonet needs to get what it already has in place to function first. A new committee, or anything else, will come afterwards. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 6 18 Nov 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN ================================================================= Xxcarol's Japan 'Pulled Turkey' Yield: 3 Servings 3 ea Turkey legs (3/4 lb each) 1/2 c Hot barbacue sauce 1/4 c Mirin (sweet rice wine) 3 tb Oyster sauce 1 tb Dried onion flakes 1/2 tb Mequite Seasoning Salt mix OHH My Cho (Japanese apartment) smells good today! What's cooking is an adaption of several recipes from my meal-master database, uniquely shifted like I always do, to something 'new'. As I live in Sasebo Japan, this one shifted to things I can easily get locally so have on hand just now. This one will be a winner for a crockpot if yours will fit the legs in. Mine is too small and I couldnt get the bone to break (I have a bad wrist just now) so have it on the stove. Wash the turkey legs off, then in a pot that will fit them, add the rest above and the turkey legs. Set on low (crockpot or stove) and let cook until almost done. For a crockpot, this will be 5 hours. Stove will be 2 hours. When the meat falls off the bones as you turn it, start removing the bones then shred the rest. This will come out very close to a southern favorite called 'pulled BBQ Pork' but is of a lowfat turkey meat that also costs less! Serve on rolls or cornbread with gravey and coleslaw at the side. From the Japan kitchen of: xxcarol ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 7 18 Nov 2002 ================================================================= CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ================================================================= Physics Test By Warren Bonner wdbonner@pacbell.net Some kids just have more on the ball than others! The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington Physics mid term exam. One answer was so "profound" that the Professor shared it with his colleagues, which is why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well. Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following: "First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Theresa Banyan during my Freshman year, that ' it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you', and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded with her, then, #2 cannot be true and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze." This student received the only A. 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UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c 218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c 220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c 229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? | 229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c 261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c 275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c 323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 393/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c 379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c 2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c 2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c 2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3634/12 | Mark Lewis |FTP,VMoT,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c 3830/9 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|? -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c 28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c 47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 53/558 |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|?? 201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c 201/505 | G”ran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k | n/c 211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c 221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 17 18 Nov 2002 252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c 255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c 263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c 280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c 280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE, BinkP | 128k | n/c 292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c 341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | | 341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | | 343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | | 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | | 348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | | 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 18 18 Nov 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c 774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 6 65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free 653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free 654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free 654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * TX = TransX * NFS = Linux Networking * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer * QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.fidotel.com (currently offline) news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 19 18 Nov 2002 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.319 size 1041.3kb date 2002-11-15 The nodelist has 9315 nodes in it and a total of 12055 non-comment entries including 6 zones 59 regions 451 hosts 639 hubs admin overhead 1155 ( 12.40 %) and 938 private nodes 295 nodes down 352 nodes on hold off line overhead 1585 ( 17.02 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 717 ( 7.70 %) 9600 = 8099 ( 86.95 %) (HST = 177 or 2.19 %) (CSP = 1 or 0.01 %) (PEP = 12 or 0.15 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 1 or 0.01 %) (V32 = 4405 or 54.39 %) (V32B = 455 or 5.62 %) (V34 = 5352 or 66.08 %) (V42 = 4415 or 54.51 %) (V42B = 479 or 5.91 %) 2400 = 94 ( 1.01 %) 1200 = 8 ( 0.09 %) 300 = 397 ( 4.26 %) ISDN = 920 ( 9.88 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3269 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 20 18 Nov 2002 XB Binkleyterm 2.0 7 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 10 -------------------------------------- XP Seadog 6 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 50 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 379 Tabby KittenMail -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 4148 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 T-Mail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1446 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 2942 ( 31.58 %) MailOnly nodes = 5062 ( 54.34 %) Listed-only nodes = 727 ( 7.80 %) Other = 584 ( 6.27 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-46 Page 21 18 Nov 2002 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred method if you want reasonable control over how the published article will appear in the Fidonews: a) Plain ASCII text. 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