Volume 6, Number 32 7 August 1989 +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | _ | | / \ | | /|oo \ | | - FidoNews - (_| /_) | | _`@/_ \ _ | | International | | \ \\ | | FidoNet Association | (*) | \ )) | | Newsletter ______ |__U__| / \// | | / FIDO \ _//|| _\ / | | (________) (_/(_|(____/ | | (jm) | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Editor in Chief: Vince Perriello Editors Emeritii: Dale Lovell Thom Henderson Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings FidoNews is published weekly by the International FidoNet Association as its official newsletter. You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission standards are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from node 1:1/1. 1:1/1 is a Continuous Mail system, available for network mail 24 hours a day. Copyright 1989 by the International FidoNet Association. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact IFNA at (314) 576-4067. IFNA may also be contacted at PO Box 41143, St. Louis, MO 63141. Fido and FidoNet are registered trademarks of Tom Jennings of Fido Software, 164 Shipley Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94107 and are used with permission. We don't necessarily agree with the contents of every article published here. Most of these materials are unsolicited. No article will be rejected which is properly attributed and legally acceptable. We will publish every responsible submission received. Table of Contents 1. ARTICLES ................................................. 1 How Much GARBAGE should a person put up with? ............ 1 Moderators BEWARE! ....................................... 8 2. LATEST VERSIONS .......................................... 10 Latest Software Versions ................................. 10 3. NOTICES .................................................. 12 The Interrupt Stack ...................................... 12 4. REPORTS .................................................. 13 Executive Committee Report ............................... 24 Report from Nominations and Elections Committee .......... 27 FidoNews 6-32 Page 1 7 Aug 1989 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= How Much GARBAGE should a person put up with? ============================================ By: Justin Marquez (1:106/100) I have interpreted the article in FNEWS631 by Phil Buonomo as an attack upon my performance in the case of Mike Lester's excommunication. This article is my own rebuttal to it. I have refrained from public mention of Mr. Lester's activities while he was in Net 170 because I have had no particular desire to embarrass him publicly. Since he has seen fit to spread untruths about the situation, and to imply that I treated him unjustly, I shall now present the story from my perspective. If anyone doubts my veracity, or has any question about how I deal with fellow sysops or with NC's (while I was in the RC19 job), please feel free to contact ANY sysop in Net 106 or ANY NC in Region 19 for an independent perspective. I regret the necessity to write this type of FidoNews article. I apologize to you in advance. However, Mr. Buonomo and Mr. Lester have publicly injured me by impugning my character and I do not appreciate it. Unfortunately, FidoNews is the only forum available for my reply. It is also regrettably necessary to quote some of his material. Sections quoted will be marked at the beginning of each line with the vertical bar character, as shown below: | More Tales of Horror from the FidoNet *C's | by Phil Buonomo 1:107/583, 7:520/583, 9:807/1 | (Whew! Made it another week! Guess the RC's don't read | FidoNews, else I'd have been tossed out long ago!) No, Phil, the RC's do read POLICY, which is perhaps why you haven't been "bounced". |quote from national sysop: | RG: Tell me, just how many nodes do you know of that have been | RG: excommunicated on the basis of a single offense? Indeed, | RG: how many nodes do you know of that have been excommuni- | RG: cated, period? | end quote Nobody that I know has been excommunicated for a single offense. Mike Lester violated POLICY on a number of occasions while he was NC170 and after he was removed from that post. His POLICY3 violations included: - harassment of local nodes whose sysops he didn't like, including removal of some of those nodes. (How would YOU like to have an NC just lickin' his chops and waitin' for your system to be down at ZMH so that you are found in FidoNews 6-32 Page 2 7 Aug 1989 violation of POLICY?) Don't believe me? Ask sysop Si Hawk. - Entering messages with profanity in a public echo - Entering messages with personal attacks (flaming) - Harassing voice telephone calls to various *C's. The fellow who became the next NC got phone calls in the wee hours of the morning. Lovely fellows, this Mr. Lester and his friends. (No, it could not be *proven* he did it. If it could, there would probably have been criminal charges filed.) - Being exceptionally uncooperative in any number of ways including: suddenly using AreaFix's add areas capability to add 200 echomail areas and convincing a few of his friends to do the same; convincing a portion of the net to band together with him and form a separate group of "Independent Nodes" who were not allowed to communicate with the "regular" Net 170 nodes; attempting to wrest control of echomail distribution. - Revealing contents of private NetMail messages without asking permission. (Some of the things in the Fido News #631 article fall into this category.) - And, of course, his admitted attempt to interfere with the NC's system. I asked him on many occasions to quit his violations of POLICY. He *could* have been removed on the basis of MANY violations, long before he was finally removed. I freely admit that there was a LOT of "NC-baiting" going on in Net 170. I told Mike NOT to fall for it. I tried for MONTHS to convince him to quit violating POLICY, just because some folks in the local net were pestering him. *C's *must* be willing to put up with a lot of garbage. It is part of the job. If one cannot stand the heat, one *should* get out of the kitchen. ("Two wrongs don't equal one right", plus many other cliches....) After Mike was removed as NC, he was given MANY, MANY chances to back off and act responsibly. Only after seeing him deteriorate to serious threats to others was he finally removed. Was he then removed for ONE violation? No. He was removed for the cumulative effects of his many violations and because he was totally unrepentant. Had he stayed in FidoNet, it was painfully apparent that he would have continued to disrupt net operations whenever he could do so. Even now he is still attempting (through his spreading of libelous and false information) to disrupt Net 170 and Region 19 matters whenever he can do so. | 1) First get the NC(me) to route ALL messages for the local net | through your node as NEC. | 2) Then, using a message editor that dont leave footprints (FD | editor), make changes to the messages the NC posts locally, and | make sure some if not most are a degrading nature in responce | to simple questions. | 3) Quietly, forward "copys" to the RC, explaining that you (the | NEC) think the NC is "over the edge" and politlely ask what he | can do about it. A voice phone call helps here, if your GOOD at | manipulating people. A few of your friends making complaints | also helps, no matter how bogus they may be. also, if a node | wont file an "official" complaint make one up in his name and FidoNews 6-32 Page 3 7 Aug 1989 | send it in. (eg. Joe Savard. ) I have seen few people as good at manipulation of people as is Mr. Lester. Curiously enough, during the episodes involving Lester, not once do I recall his mentioning that persons might be tampering with his messages. The most damaging messages to his case were some that he copied me on (in his own dealings with local Net 170 sysops) and which came directly from his node to mine. | 4) The RC removes the NC for "cause" and appoints the NEC the | NEW NC. I removed Mike because he was doing many things that were not according to POLICY. Frankly, I never kept many old files or messages, because I never planned to publicly put him on "trial". Now that he has fired the first volley, so to speak, I will present the situation as I saw it (and still do). | 5) Now your in "CONTROL". Next, start having "secret" monthly | meetings where not even wifes are allowed in the room where | fidonet business is conducted. ( You should have heard some of | the wives outside when this happened.) | 6) When the old NC(me) finds out about what happened and the | reason why, he just shrugs it off and says ok, "you leave me | alone, and I will leave you alone", Now just wait about 2 weeks | and be silent. Hmmmmm.... hardly remember him being silent, EVER. If leaving MANY profane, flaming messages in your local SYSOP echo is "silence", then I guess he was "silent". | 7) Un-rest rules the net, because of the changes that have | happened. "Un-rest" is an understatement, it almost instantly | polarized the net. Now its time for some "heavy handed rules". | ie: You MUST attend the local fidonet meetings. (only heresay) | You MUST get all your echos from the NC/NEC. You can only have | 40 echos MAX. If you post in the local sysop echo, it must be | a message that pertains to ALL. Messages of a one to one | nature are NOT allowed. ect... The penaltys are "you WILL be | removed from the nodelist" A threat of having NET 170 removed | by the RC also comes in, if the nodes do not "Cooperate". My charge as RC included "keeping your Region running smoothly". Many of Mike Lester's tactics were designed to extort and to control others. This fellow was on the most incredible power trip I have ever witnessed. His actions appeared solely designed to polarize the net, to cripple the net and spilled over into some other FidoNet local nets. FidoNews 6-32 Page 4 7 Aug 1989 | 8) Now, dump on the old NC (me) an echo NOT wanted/requested | without warning or even asking to have the area set up. (100+ | messages) ( I had to manually delete them from my netmail area Interestingly enough, the Net 170 local "operations document" which Mr. Lester used required the local sysops to subscribe to TWO echo areas, if memory serves correctly. It seems the new NC got the idea from the former NC that such was OK. The new NC was advised by the RC that "forcefeeding" an echo area was not acceptable and he stopped it immediately. | 9) Now comes the part that got ME ex-communicated. When I | complain saying to discontinue sending the echo, simply send a | message to the sysop (me) stateing "I'M THE NC, and IF YOU WISH | TO REMAIN IN FIDONET, YOU WILL RECIEVE THIS ECHO. | 10) When the ex-NC(me) says "ok, fine, you SEND to ME an echo | that I dont wish to have, I will place a file on HOLD for you | to pick up every time you call. (note: the FILE was my files | listing, the one you would get if you requested FILES from my | system. Not a mail bomb, or virused program. also, I intended | on recieving the echomail to a passthrough area to no one, | effectivly deleting the messages.) Considering that this incident followed closely on the heels of another, in which a bosom buddy of Lester sent a virus/bomb type program to the fellow who was NC between the current NC and Lester, it is possible that the NC may have been totally out of line in believing that Lester meant to harm the NC's system or that he intended to impede mail flow in Net 170. Personally, I believe he interpreted the threat correctly. Lester's prior behavior and the actions of his cohorts confirm "malice aforethought". | 11) The new NC then quietly removes the ex-NC(me) from the | nodelist for that week because he is "annoyed". no warning, no | nothing was ever sent to me about this. Mike Lester was reinstated while the appeals were going through channels. (David Dodell is more than fair when excommunications are involved. He is so concerned about the rights of sysops that he will even allow the real twits to stay in the nodelist on the chance they may turn out to be non-twits.) | 12) When I complain again, pass it along to the RC, who then | passes it along to David Dodell, who ultimatly, finds that "No | one has done anything outside of policy." | It happened to me, and when final, 15 sysops, left fidonet 170 | Now its time for a NEW RULE for the local net. Rule: You can't | be in fidonet 170 if you allow Mike Lester ex-NC of Fidonet | 170 on your system as a user. (Just ask the sysop of | 7:771/208.0 if this is true or not.) The bottom line is this, | I was ex-communicated from fidonet simply for saying I was | going to "put a FILE on hold". The FILE was NEVER sent, since | the new NC removed me from the nodelist. He never called back FidoNews 6-32 Page 5 7 Aug 1989 | either, after I sent him the message I was going to put the | file on hold for him. So, I never actually DID anything wrong, | but i was ex-communicated for it anyway. I even ASKED the RC | for a REGION number, and it was refused, by saying that there | was already an existing net in Tulsa, and I HAD to be in it or | not at all. Now, why would an RC give an independent regional node number to a sysop whose excommunication he had just upheld? Would there be any reason to such action? Every local Net has probably had cases where a disgruntled sysop wanted to move to Regional Independent status. Even those folks who are NOT excommunicated are not moved out of local nets as Independents unless there is a valid technical reason. (EchoMail star or backbone systems are one possible example of valid reasons.) | Mike Lester | Galaxy Computer HST | Multiline Opus 1.10 | 7:771/0 (alternet) 1-918-835-8933 (9600 hst) | 7:771/1 (alternet) | 7:771/2 (alternet) 1-918-836-6336 (1200 hayes) | 11:771/0 (OPCN) 1-918-835-8933 (9600 hst) | 11:771/1 (OPCN) | 11:771/2 (OPCN) 1-918-835-8933 (1200 hayes) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is this man on a power trip, or what? Anytime you see MANY address lines, it basically means this "Lookie here! See what a honcho I am?" It is similar to seeing: Dr. Joe Dokes, B.S., M.A., Ph.D., P.E., D.V.M., ad infinitum | So this guy, Mike Lester, gets excommunicated from FidoNet. | His network gets so upset they 'vote out' the NC appointed by | RC19, who then declares the vote 'illegal' and throws it out. | Most of the network then quits FidoNet. POLICY3 (in effect at the time all this happened) did not provide for any voting "in" or "out" of anyone, anywhere. Neither does it prohibit an RC from allowing a net to choose an NC. It only said the RC "appoints the NC's". I suppose an RC could "appoint" the person voted for by a majority of the local sysops. We did it in Net 106. POLICY does clearly state that an NC must work with both the sysops in his net and the RC in his region. In my opinion, Lester amply proved he was not willing to do EITHER. It is also my opinion that only nets which are NOT in a state of great turmoil should vote for new NC's. You may have a different opinion and you are welcome to it. Certainly you can see the dangers of allowing nets to vote NC's out, since occasionally an NC must make a decision which is both "right" and "unpopular". FidoNews 6-32 Page 6 7 Aug 1989 Oh, yes, don't miss the fact that Mike set up a second node at his home, listing his wife as sysop, for the stated purpose of having a second vote, just in case the RC decided to let Net 170 vote on an NC. The NC was reluctant to keep such a node in the net, but was advised that as long as it obeyed POLICY requirements that it should stay in the list. It stayed until she asked to be removed when Mike moved his operations into AlterNet. Funny thing, I have yet to see moderators of the EchoMail Conferences clamoring to allow subscribers to those areas to vote moderators "in" or "out". (I guess they can still "vote with their feet".) | So we have another case where an RC 'kills' a network for the | 'good' of FidoNet. Net 170 is not now, now was it ever, "dead". What DID die was my desire to be an RC anymore. The TWITS won. I certainly "lost" something - my zeal to work for FidoNet. The garbage collection routine finally overflowed. John Summers is now RC19. In my desire not to drag Lester through the communal mud and not spell out in public how poorly he had behaved, I set myself up for a barrage of lies, such as the ones that Phil has obviously bought. If Lester had not been on such a power trip, then there would have been NO PROBLEM. He *caused* the original problems by continuing to violate POLICY. He perpetuated the problems in his attempts to disrupt the mail and echomail in Net 170. Let the record show: Mike Lester was the only NC I ever removed for any reason other than non-response to calls during ZMH for over a week at a time. | Are you starting to see the danger of living under Policy4 now? Curious statement. All this happened under POLICY3. What I AM beginning to see is the folly in assuming people would not listen to lies upon lies. | This story would be bad enough, but now we learn that after | these guys join AlterNet, the FidoNet NC and RC start trying to | take over the echomail conferences the 'excommunicated' nodes | are contributing to! Funny thing is, I thought that FidoNet | echomail policy stated that conferences belonged to the | MODERATORS! Frankly, I don't know WHO "owns" the echomail conferences. I *do* know that the moderators do not bear the full COSTS to distribute the conferences. Once you ask someone to dedicate some portion of his resources to support YOUR power trip, you give up part of that power to control. FidoNews 6-32 Page 7 7 Aug 1989 I am quite tired of seeing people flaunt POLICY, make life miserable for many other people, finally get excommunicated, join Yet_Another_Net and continue to reap whatever "benefits" there are to FidoNet membership by collecting EchoMail conveniently elsewhere. Are there to be no consequences for such behavior as Mr. Lester's? Is there to be no accountability at all? We *ALL* get a partially free ride here, folks. The least we can do is to follow some semblance of the established rules. If you don't *LIKE* the rules, then you may: - Work to CHANGE the rules while following the current rules. *OR* - Vote with your feet. | Well, as a moderator of a number of conferences, I give a | warning to any *C that might feel bound to keep ANYONE | following MY rules in ANY of MY conferences from posting: | KEEP YOUR DAMN HANDS OFF MY CONFERENCES, OR YOU'LL FIND | YOURSELF THE SUBJECT OF A POLICY COMPLAINT SO FAST IT'LL MAKE | YOUR HEAD SWIM! Vweeeet! Vweeeet! Vweeeeet! POWER TRIP ALERT! POWER TRIP ALERT! " The system has detected another POWER TRIP. Please turn off the necessary EchoMail Conferences to reduce the noise to a bearable level....." | Clear enough? Good. XTAL Clear, Phil. Please forward a list of "YOUR" conferences to me at 1:106/100 and I promise you, I'll not bother you with my presence in "YOUR" areas. Now, I assume that by referring to them as "YOUR" areas, that means you don't freeload on the rest of us by using the public backbone distribution system to deliver "YOUR" areas? You ARE talking about areas that nobody else spends any of "THEIR" money to distribute, right? Say, Phil.... how would you like it if the backbone system suddenly decided to REALLY keep it's hands off "YOUR" areas? I know I wouldn't miss 'em..... ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-32 Page 8 7 Aug 1989 Moderators BEWARE! The conference you run may NOT be your own! by Phil Buonomo 1:107/583, 7:520/583, 9:807/1 (Yup, still here! I TOLD you the RC's must not read FidoNews!) This past week I've received a LOT of mail. Much of it HATE mail from Bruce Bodger's network, and a lot of it 'thanks for letting everyone know' mail from those that were alienated. Doesn't bother me, I've received hate mail before, and I'll probably do so again. Since the hate mail is so systematic, I can only assume it is a coordinated effort. Most hate-mail people were complaining that I hadn't 'researched' the facts before writing my article, but the fact is, I did. The thrust of it remains that *C's are trying to say who can or cannot post in conferences, despite what the moderators rule. This is just plain wrong. If an 'excommunicated' sysop signs on as a user on another FidoNet sysop's board and enters a valid, on-topic message in a conference? The *C's will KILL it. Witness: Date: Tue 25 Jul 89 11:53 From: Jim Dunmyer To: Jim Grubs Subj: <> * Forwarded from 1:234/100, EchoMaster, Temperance MI * Originally to Jim Grubs, 1:234/1 * Forwarded by Jim Grubs, 1:234/1, 11:53 7/25 Well, I pulled a good one again! This thing aborted in the middle of the mail transfer this AM, and after polling Snyder for the rest of the packet, I discovered a problem here. During the recent fiasco, I "fixed" things to cover my ass and make certain that any messages you entered into echomail would not go through here. I was copying your incoming file to another subdirectory, then deleting it from the "normal" one before running CONFMAIL IMPORT. Unfortunately, I just discovered the problem this AM and corrected it. I moved all the files I had into the proper area before processing, so *most* of your stuff should now be going out into the echos. Hopefully, I didn't loose too much. FidoNews 6-32 Page 9 7 Aug 1989 Jim, I am truly sorry about this! END OF MSG Now, here we have a case of an echomail coordinator BLATANTLY chopping someone's messages, and then BOASTING of it? Perhaps the *C's feel they are above POLICY, now? Where will this crap ever end, people? Don't the rights of the individual mean anything anymore? What if Grubs were a user on another system? His message wouldn't be ALLOWED to go out because he USED to be in FidoNet? Dammit, everytime I see stuff like this I get riled up. Let's say it one more time: CONFERENCES BELONG TO THE MODERATOR, NOT THE BACKBONE, NOT THE *C'S. Now, while I say this, I am not trying to imply the backbone nodes of violating that principle. They supported the "Moderator as God" idea at last year's FidoCon, and I believe they have supported it in the past year. AND, if the backbone nodes wish to set up a set of rules conferences must follow to BE on the backbone (having a moderator is one), I support that decision wholeheartedly. The backbone nodes are THEIR systems, after all. So here's the musical question, folks: If the BACKBONE does not presume to 'dictate' (good choice of words, don't you think) to the moderators, why should the *C's feel they can? Perhaps for the same reasons they felt they could 'dictate' to Vince and FidoNews... ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-32 Page 10 7 Aug 1989 ================================================================= LATEST VERSIONS ================================================================= Latest Software Versions MS-DOS Systems -------------- Bulletin Board Software Name Version Name Version Name Version Fido 12n+* Phoenix 1.3 TBBS 2.1 Lynx 1.30 QuickBBS 2.03 TComm/TCommNet 3.4 Opus 1.03b+ RBBS 17.2A TPBoard 5.2 Network Node List Other Mailers Version Utilities Version Utilities Version BinkleyTerm 2.20 EditNL 4.00 ARC 6.02 D'Bridge 1.21* MakeNL 2.12 ARCmail 2.0 Dutchie 2.90C ParseList 1.30 ConfMail 4.00 FrontDoor 2.0 Prune 1.40 EMM 2.02 PRENM 1.47 XlatList 2.90 GROUP 2.10 SEAdog 4.51A* XlaxDiff 2.32 LHARC 1.13* XlaxNode 2.32 MSG 3.3 MSGED 1.99 PK[UN]ZIP 0.92* QM 1.0* TCOMMail 2.2 TMail 1.11 TPBNetEd 3.2 UFGATE 1.03 XRS 2.3* ZmailQ 1.09* Apple Macintosh --------------- Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version Red Ryder Host v2.1b3 Tabby 2.0* MacArc 0.03 Mansion 7.0 ArcMac 1.3 StuffIt 1.51 TImport 1.0 TExport 1.0 Timestamp 1.6 Tset 1.0.2 FidoNews 6-32 Page 11 7 Aug 1989 Timestart 1.1 Tally 1.1 Mehitabel 1.2 Archie 1.60 Numberizer 1.5c MessageEdit 1.0 Commodore Amiga --------------- Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version Paragon 1.00+* BinkleyTerm 1.50 ConfMail 1.00 ChameleonEdit 0.10 + Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software) * Recently changed Utility authors: Please help keep this list up to date by reporting new versions to 1:1/1. It is not our intent to list all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-32 Page 12 7 Aug 1989 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= The Interrupt Stack 24 Aug 1989 Voyager 2 passes Neptune. 24 Aug 1989 FidoCon '89 starts at the Holiday Inn in San Jose, California. Trade show, seminars, etc. Contact 1:1/89 for info. 5 Oct 1989 20th Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus" 11 Oct 1989 First International Modula-2 Conference at Bled, Yugoslavia hosting Niklaus Wirth and the British Standards Institution. Contact 1:106/8422 for more information. 11 Nov 1989 A new area code forms in northern Illinois at 12:01 am. Chicago proper will remain area code 312; suburban areas formerly served with that code will become area code 708. 23 Nov 1989 26th Anniversary of "Dr. Who" - and still going strong 30 Dec 1989 Telephone area codes (5, 3 and 0) are abolished in Hong Kong If you have something which you would like to see on this calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-32 Page 13 7 Aug 1989 ================================================================= REPORTS ================================================================= MINUTES OF MEETING OF IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS 2nd February 1989 10:00 a.m. ATTENDING: _________ Don Daniels Mort Sternheim Mark Grennan Kris Veitch Thom Henderson Irene Henderson Mark Peters Dave Melnick Robert Rudolph Linda Grennan David Drexler Courtney Harris Ted Polczynski ***************************************************** Chairman Pro Tem of meeting Established Reports of Officers 1. B. Rudolph 2. (Don Daniels) 3. Secretary 4. Treasurer's Report - read by Mark Grennan January 1989 report & net message of resignation. Item of New Business - Continuing of selling software? B. Rudolph moves to accept Steve Bonine resignation and it was seconded. Accept his resignation with condition of all required document and/or ledgers/records. Carried. 5. Report from Secretary - Report read and accepted. 6. Ray Gwinn - resigned, no report FidoNews 6-32 Page 14 7 Aug 1989 STANDING COMMITTEE REPORTS __________________________ 1. Executive Committee 2. Administrative & Finance 3. Nomination & Elections 4. By Laws & Rules Committee 5. Technical Standards 6. Publications 7. International Affairs 8. Membership Services 8a. Membership Data Base DIVISIONAL REPORTS __________________ Courtney Harris - Division 10 - Commented that sysops in this division feel empathy. Need to improve IFNA image. Must stop internal bickering and get something done. Report accepted. Irene Henderson - Division 13 - Letter of Resignation from Rick Siegel - Call to administer FidoNet & do something constructive. Will is to stay on Publication Committee if Board so desires. Report accepted. Mark Peters (alternate) - Division 11 - no report Bill Bolton - Division 12 - not in attendance, no report, written or verbal. Ken Kaplan - Division 14 - No report Scott Miller - Division 15 - Not represented. Division 16 - Everything doing fine Division 17 - None Division 18 - None FidoNews 6-32 Page 15 7 Aug 1989 David Drexler - Division 19 - Sysops are dissatisfied, IFNA members are very active and willing to work. SW Bell Affair - Houston/San Antonio - tariff situation w/BBS - business rates (& explanation of the problem). Report accepted. Ethics Committee - Ivan Schaeffel, Chairman M. Grennan submitted document for review and revision - no action has been taken. Ivan believes no ethic document needed. Mort - suggest document go to Executive Committee - maybe item for new business. No official report. Public Affairs - David Drexler Set up Fido Con 88 - IFNA; OUTREACH - (Echo name); Educating Public - Charitable Organization - Sysoping - BBS'ing, etc. A. Public Relation Project - Servicemen letters Tinker AFB - including TV interview with KTVY; intend to start earlier next year - possibly putting out PR list. B. Guideline for donation for handicap sysops. (Blind, deaf, etc.) C. "Snail Mail" and office calls Greg Trotter - Mail David Drexler - Phone Call Mark G. - (a) setting up point system with PC Users Group; (b) Talking Dog for handicapped sysops; (c) Olympic Festival Oklahoma TDD Project - Toshiba 1000 and modem - "large screen TDD". Report concluded. Report accepted and seconded. Don Daniels, Acting Chair - Bylaws election - Information Report Report from: Curtis Stebbins, CPA Postage: 43 Foreign $ 56.76 12 Canada 14.16 196 USA 205.80 205 Return Envelopes 51.25 Handling Charge 32.34 Duplication Costs 431.25 FidoNews 6-32 Page 16 7 Aug 1989 Envelopes 40.00 Professional 618.00 ---------- $ 1,449.46 Acting Chairman recommends to pay above bill. Don reports on problems of bylaws election - written report - verbal also given. 66 Ballots received & Counted 72 Total received 5 Complaints received on Foreign ballots not arriving on time Courtney Harris, in reference to the results on election moved to accept results. Seconded by Dave Melnick. Amends - election results be accepted procedurally. T. Henderson - Legal Review Privileged motion tabled and seconded by Courtney Harris 4 Opposed 9 For Motion to accept results of election upon Legal review: 2 Yes 11 No Failed Item tabled. ______________ Other Items of Old Business Ethics Committee - Ethics Document New Business T. Henderson, on behalf of member(s), motioned to amend agenda to disband under treasurer and to dispose of assets in accordance with articles and order secretary to file necessary papers with state of Missouri. Vote called for: 0 Yes 10 No FidoNews 6-32 Page 17 7 Aug 1989 3 Abstain (Irene, Tom, Dave Davidson) Failed. A. (Agenda Item) Statement of Purpose - M.G. a single vision to unite organization (in a 3-sentence statement) should have: a. What do you hope to accomplish? b. How to accomplish it? c. Who does it benefit? Tabled after initial discussions. B. Two proposals for Fido News Policy a. Mort Sternheim b. David Drexler c. From Pub. Report (Status Quo) Don Daniels motion to table to breakout committee, seconded Mort Sternheim (refer an at large) Authors should be included. Tabled. C. IFNA - Oklahoma City Office and proposal - motion M.G. and seconded by David Drexler. Kris Veitch has agreed to let us use part of his office. Hospital - printing business card free - it is a non- profit hospital. Fund-raising/educational proposal presented. amended - take out expected $100.00 expense limit. Unanimous vote - Yes. Office expenses approved at $100.00 per month with receipts. Multiple Fund Raisers Proposal by David Drexler tabled for later discussion. BIX - Accounting Procedures - see packet information (it was noted that there was concern that BIX won't push paid BIX accounts) D. Daniels motion to accept procedure, seconded. Vote carried 12 for and 1 Abstained. Executive Committee shall approve application - Committee FidoNews 6-32 Page 18 7 Aug 1989 members can apply if such use can be justified as this is not limited to BOD Members. Treasurer - Appointment of such Motion for Kris Veitch to be nominated as Treasurer by Courtney Harris, seconded by Mort Secretary established Kris as Treasurer Election of Chairman of Board - Suggested that: A. Chairman be able to moderate electronics sessions effectively B. Rudolph open floor to nomiations for Chairman 1. Thom Henderson nominates Irene H., D. Melnick seconded. 2. Mort nominates D. Daniels - Don asked not be considered 3. D. Daniels nominates Mort Sternheim, C. Harris seconded Dave Davidson motioned that nominations close, Kris seconded After short speeches by candidates, Mort elected. VPTC - Ben Baker nominated by I. Henderson, Wm Burnhoff nominated by Thom Henderson. Item tabled by D. Daniels and seconded by L. Grennan. Vote carried. Tabled. Secretary Position Linda Grennan abstained from voting. C. Harris motioned move to accept David Garrett resignation as secretary. Irene nominates L. Grennan, C. Harris seconded. Close nominations. Linda Grennan established as Secretary. DAK Agreement FidoNews 6-32 Page 19 7 Aug 1989 Letter of understanding between DAK and IFNA described. - Is not definite that nodelist agreement will be dropped. - Courtney states he will abstain on any vote pertaining to DAK - C. H.: $30,000 was donated to American Cancer Society (from sales of nodelist package) - C. H.: 30,000 copies have been distributed - C. H.: Possible 5% to go back to IFNA - D. Daniels - Stated Executive Committee previously decided not to pursue money issue. - D. Daniels read letter of understanding for discussion. - Executive Committee directed to resolve mailing out copies of nodelist received by IFNA generated by DAK ad. Courtney Harris - Proposals 1) DAK - 10% from Nodelist deal to be investigated. 2) FAX Board - Retail $229.00 - propose do a pamphlet with possibly 10 items available to IFNA and Fidonet members T. Henderson motion to move it to Membership Services for consideration, seconded by Mark Peters, vote carried. 3) Image files attach to messages CGA or VGA image - public protocol to possible be set. Sent to Committee. D. Daniels said it has been suggested electronic ballots to be sent to redistribution points (in the future) - Bill Bolton and Henk Wevers. Problem here with current bylaws, however. Bylaws Election Voted on an accepted with reservations due to the overseas problems. D. Daniels abstained D. Daniels reported results of voting of Bylaws Election: (DEF=Definition) ITEM---VOTE ITEM---VOTE ITEM---VOTE ITEM---VOTE DEF.01 No DEF.02 Yes DEF.03 Yes DEF.04 Yes DEF.05 Yes DEF.06 Yes 01.01 Yes 01.02 Yes FidoNews 6-32 Page 20 7 Aug 1989 01.03 No 01.04 No 01.05 No 02/03 Yes 04 Yes 05 Yes 06 Yes 07 Yes 09 Yes 10 Yes 11 Yes 12 Yes 14 Yes 16 Yes 17 Yes 18 Yes 19 Yes 22 Yes 24.01 Yes 24.02 Yes 24.03 Yes 24.04 Yes 24.05 Yes 24.06 No 24.07 No 24.08 Yes 28 Yes 29 Yes 30 Yes 35.01 Yes 35.02 Yes 39 Yes 40.01 Yes 40.02 Yes 42 Yes 43 Yes 44 Yes 45 Yes Written Report to be given to Secretary Table Article 10 per D. Daniels Nodelist Copyright notice - D. Daniels motion it go to ad hoc committee, seconded. So also stated by Chairman Mort Sternheim. D. Daniels read suggest change of copyright notice, Mort motioned to table copyright notice, vote carried. Hobbyist vs Commercial Issues - Discussion of various matters. Sent to committee. Statement of Purpose - Discussion 1. What do we want to accomplish 2. How to accomplish 3. For Who's Benefit Matter discussed and sent to committee. Discussion of V. Division - now 24 directors according to new Bylaws. BoD is too large and cumbersome. Sent to Bylaws and N&Elections committees for recommendations. Meeting adjourned until next day. Sunday February 19, 1989 Meeting Reconvened New Business Discussed Fido Con - FidoCon expense. Proposal submitted by D. Drexler. Irene amended suggestion that all of IFNA existing bills be paid first before any money issued to Fidod Con. FidoNews 6-32 Page 21 7 Aug 1989 T. Henderson - amendment to 1/2 of treasury not to exceed $2,000 - seconded by D. Melnick Motion was carried and adopted. Motion to have Bylaws accepted from recent election and placed into effect. Motion carried. Readdressed: Creation of Statement of Purpose - Dave Proposed sentence: The purpose of IFNA is to promote electronic communications by the dissemination and advancement of Fidonet Technology. Irene motioned to accept and seconded by Kris Veitch. Motion to accept Statement carried unanimously. Appointment of VPTC ___________________ Both B. Baker and William Burhoff declined nomination; C. Harris nominated Bill Bolton and seconded by D. Davidson; T. Henderson nominated Bob Hartman. Nominations closed. Discussion of nominations. Bylaw 29 read (revised) by Irene. Bolton elected. Motion - Kris Veitch K. V. - that if both VPTC candidates decline, Executive Committee will decide, seconded. Motion carried Nodelist Copyright - Kris V. - IFNA hereby grant to operation of systems Fido Net technology a limited license to use FidoNet nodelist in the operation of their system. (get with T. on a wording), seconded by T. Henderson. Call for vote 2 obstained (Ted being one) Motion carried FidoNews 6-32 Page 22 7 Aug 1989 D. Daniels - amend to add "FidoNet is trademark of Tom Jennings", seconded by Irene. C. Harris felt it was a mistake that IFNA doesn't control the nodelist on behalf of FidoNet sysops and plans to enter motion later to get that back. Call for vote. Passed By-Laws Amendments and Changes Voting Division - D. Daniels, seconded C. Harris (resolution 5.77 annual fee, Kris called for reading ___ large ballot) Due to the fact that our Bylaws require that we send ballot via postal mail to all members; that it would not be fair for regular dues paying members to underwrite all the potential at-large members for which no dues are presently established; and that the BoD is empowered by the Bylaws to set membership fees, the BoD hereby establishes an annual processing fee of $5.77 (actual cost of the last ballot) for applicants for at-large membership. Call for vote Passed. Official communications of the Board of Directors or Executive Committee may be presented, in lieu of written form as called for within these bylaws, through electronic means, providing such means are secure and their authenticity verifiable. Call for vote Passed. Any elected or appointed official may be removed for failure to adequately perform the assigned duties as defined by the Board of Directors. (a) The Chairman of the Board of Directors may recommend the removal of an appointed official to the Board of Directors. The removal will be effective upon a majority vote of those voting at a properly convened meeting of the Board or by electronic mail or by postal mail. (b) The Executive Committee may recommend the removal of a Director or elected official to the Board of Directors. The removal will be effective upon a majority vote of those voting at a properly convened meeting of the Board or by electronic mail or by postal mail. FidoNews 6-32 Page 23 7 Aug 1989 Call for vote Passed. An Alternate replacing a Director temporarily or permanently assumes the seat on the Board of Directors but no other elected or appointed position. Call for vote Passed. T. Henderson - motion to direct Treasurer to pay CPA bill for election, seconded; vote - motion carried; Next Meeting - Fido Con 89 unless it doesn't happen - C. Harris seconded by M. Grennan. At Fido Con exact time to be specified later and BOD be notified - approved. C. H. motioned, seconded M.G. to adjourn to next meeting - vote unanimous Meeting closed. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-32 Page 24 7 Aug 1989 Don Daniels, Voting Member (at the request of Bob Rudolph, Chairman) 1:107/210 Executive Committee Report The question of at-large memberships has been brought up recently by several individuals who have wondered why no provision was made for them in the current elections. This report attempts to explain that, though you will find that it is a complicated and unfortunate matter. First of all, it makes sense to look at the bylaw amendment on which the whole problem is based: 1 f) At-Large Member. To be eligible, an applicant: must be the system operator in good standing of a PUBLIC ACCESS node; must have been listed in the FIDONET NODELIST for 180 days prior to the ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING; is entitled to one vote for the election of the At-Large Members of the Board of Directors only. While we're at it, three more bylaws (or portions thereof) will also come into play so let's list them here: 4. Annual Fees b) The annual membership fees shall be set by the Board of Directors. 13. The Nominations and Elections Committee shall arrange to have a certified public accountant receive and collate all mail BALLOTS received prior to the ANNUAL MEETING, and to be responsible for the receipt, tabulation and verification of all BALLOTS cast before the close of voting... 11. ... At least forty (40) days prior to the ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING the Secretary ... shall send to every voting member, ... a ballot ... Note that "BALLOT" is defined: "BALLOT: A paper listing of all candidates for office and issues requiring a vote...". [Complete text of the IFNA Articles of Association and Bylaws are available for file request as BYLAWS.ARC from 1:107/210.] This last bylaw (11) has a very significant impact on this entire matter as it requires IFNA to send a ballot (via postal mail) to every at-large member, which could conceivably run into the thousands. The Board of Directors was very conscious that it would truly be unfair for the dues of the regular members to be utilized to pay for the handling of the ballots of those that were unwilling to pay the US$25. FidoNews 6-32 Page 25 7 Aug 1989 Although it may indeed have been the author's original intent that this bylaw amendment would result in no dues being required for at-large members and in the at-large member being totally responsible for any and all costs associated with handling of the ballots, no provision was made for such eventualities in the new bylaw itself. The Board was therefore forced to act within the bounds of what was actually written. Accordingly, the Board in the Meeting in St. Louis, voted in a annual at-large membership fee that would cover all the costs of preparing, mailing, and processing a ballot. In determining the amount of this fee, the Board simply chose to utilize the actual, per-ballot cost incurred during the most recent election, which was US$5.77 for the election completed last January. From the very first line of Bylaw 1-f it is obvious that an individual must make an application to become an at-large member of IFNA. Such application is based upon the requirement (among others) that said applicant "must have been listed in the FIDONET NODELIST for 180 days prior to the ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING". Now this is not at all explicit in its meaning and has been the subject of considerable debate regarding its intended and legal interpretations. The IFNA BoD discussed this aspect at some length in its meeting in February and the Executive Committee has recently been in touch with IFNA's legal counsel for his opinion on the matter, with the result that it is understood that the intent would be expected to be inferred to mean the 180 CONSECUTIVE days immediately prior to the actual day on which the annual membership meeting takes place. The convincing argument for this point is that if there were to be an interpretation to the contrary, then ANY 180 days would suffice and there would be no relevancy in even mentioning the annual membership meeting. The Board of Directors was aware of this interpretation in February, and had realized that there was a significant problem in that the upcoming election would be completed some days prior to the annual membership meeting, with the result that it was therefore expected that no application could legally be made that would allow participation of any at-large member in that election. Accordingly, [and, I personally believe, in concert with the general feeling of the Board members by that time that FidoNet Sysops as a whole had basically chosen, explicitly or implicitly, that IFNA was not to have any involvement with the Administration of FidoNet and that there was therefore no need of having an at-large membership category] no further action was taken on the matter. However, there has come to light a loophole in the above thinking. You see, due to requirements that the ballot be received by a CPA and the difficulties IFNA has had in obtaining such services in the past, it had been assumed that acceptance of ballots by other than mail would not legally be providable during this election. As it turned out, the Nominations and Elections Committee was fortunate to arrange for the services of CPA Robert FidoNews 6-32 Page 26 7 Aug 1989 C. Halvorsen????? who will be attending FidoCon '89, so the rules for this election do provide for ballots to be submitted by hand at FidoCon until Noon on Friday, August 25. Because the nodelist (89237) which covers the final two days prior to the annual membership meeting will have been released earlier that morning, it is then theoretically possible that someone might be able to satisfy the 180 day requirement that morning, qualify to be an at-large member in all other respects, and therefore submit an application, membership fee, and ballot prior to the Noon deadline. However, the fact that the IFNA administrators who presently handle membership applications will not be attending FidoCon (due to personal reasons) still complicates this whole possibility. Note that in any event, it would still be impossible for those potential at-large members wishing to submit ballots by mail, to do so and meet the 180 day requirement as the published deadline for mail-in ballots is Noon on Thursday, August 24, which is prior to the final required Nodelist publication date. Therefore, it is now the decision of the Executive Committee that the BoD's original assessment that no at-large members would be legally allowed to participate in this election still stands, in terms of all mail-in ballots. As to any ballots from potential at-large members hand delivered to the appropriate receiving point at FidoCon prior to the Noon, Friday, August 25 deadline, such ballots would be considered valid provided they are accompanied by an official IFNA membership application form marked "At-large Member" (applications are available in the back of most issues of FidoNews), the fee of US$5.77 (note that this fee also provides for a(ny) ballot(s) to be sent during the coming year), and supporting documention to demonstrate that the applicant meets the requirements of at-large membership, including being a System Operator in good standing of a public access node and the inclusion, without break (yes, we are aware that that may prove neither fair nor the intent, but we have been advised that it is the present legal interpretation) of their name in all nodelists from 89055 through 89237. Note that anyone who is interested in becoming an at-large member of IFNA for the 1989-1990 time frame must meet the qualifications stated in the previous paragraph and should send their application to the address provided on the application once it has been established that they qualify for such membership. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-32 Page 27 7 Aug 1989 Nominations and Elections Committee 1:107/233 Report from Nominations and Elections Committee As indicated in a previous report, the committee is presenting statements from those individuals who have expressed interest in serving FidoNet as Directors of IFNA. The committee has not validated any of the material in these reports. If you are interested in serving on the BoD but your statement has not appeared herein, please forward it to 1:107/210 immediately. The following statement has been edited by the committee to meet established size constraints; for full text see IFNA Echo Conference. ================================================================ FABIAN GORDON I always felt that IFNA should play an important role - a role not solely directed at one particular group or class of people, but rather anyone who wanted or needed it. What we all have to remember is that IFNA was originally designed as the guiding force behind FidoNet, with many meaningful goals and intentions. I still believe in this, which is why I originally joined IFNA and recently volunteered to represent my fellow SysOp on its board of directors. We ALL have one problem, and that is that we do not have some central force behind our efforts, holding our hands and advising us of what our technical and legal liabilities and concerns are. I firmly believe that IFNA can be such a force. [Therefore], the major factors in my interest in becoming an IFNA representative are: 1. To promote the interests and activities of our fellow SysOps to the community at large. Let's all show them how WE can help change their lives. 2. To promote and ease the peaceful coexistence of our brother networks, who are also trying to do what we do. 3. To continuously expand the meaningfulness and integrity of our communications and our technology. 4. To provide an oasis of technological, legal, and social assistance for ALL SysOps, regardless of network affiliation. 5. To provide an mechanism whereby all SysOps can unite and FidoNews 6-32 Page 28 7 Aug 1989 provide a powerful force which will fight for our rights and privileges. Fabian Gordon, NC: FidoNet 1:107, AlterNet 520, GoodEggNet 9230 ================================================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-32 Page 29 7 Aug 1989 OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION Mort Sternheim 1:321/109 Chairman of the Board Bob Rudolph 1:261/628 President Matt Whelan 3:3/1 Vice President Bill Bolton 3:711/403 Vice President-Technical Coordinator Linda Grennan 1:147/1 Secretary Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Treasurer IFNA COMMITTEE AND BOARD CHAIRS Administration and Finance Mark Grennan 1:147/1 Board of Directors Mort Sternheim 1:321/109 Bylaws Don Daniels 1:107/210 Ethics Vic Hill 1:147/4 Executive Committee Bob Rudolph 1:261/628 International Affairs Rob Gonsalves 2:500/1 Membership Services David Drexler 1:147/47 Nominations & Elections David Melnick 1:107/233 Public Affairs David Drexler 1:147/47 Publications Rick Siegel 1:107/27 Security & Individual Rights Jim Cannell 1:143/21 Technical Standards Rick Moore 1:115/333 IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS DIVISION AT-LARGE 10 Courtney Harris 1:102/732 Don Daniels 1:107/210 11 Bill Allbritten 1:11/301 Mort Sternheim 1:321/109 12 Bill Bolton 3:711/403 Mark Grennan 1:147/1 13 Irene Henderson 1:107/9 (vacant) 14 Ken Kaplan 1:100/22 Ted Polczyinski 1:154/5 15 Scott Miller 1:128/12 Matt Whelan 3:3/1 16 Ivan Schaffel 1:141/390 Robert Rudolph 1:261/628 17 Neal Curtin 1:343/1 Steve Jordan 1:206/2871 18 Andrew Adler 1:135/47 Kris Veitch 1:147/30 19 David Drexler 1:147/47 (vacant) 2 Henk Wevers 2:500/1 David Melnik 1:107/233 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-32 Page 30 7 Aug 1989 __ The World's First / \ BBS Network /|oo \ * FidoNet * (_| /_) FidoCon '89 in San Jose, California _`@/_ \ _ at The Holiday Inn Park Plaza | | \ \\ August 24-27, 1989 | (*) | \ )) ______ |__U__| / \// / Fido \ _//|| _\ / (________) (_/(_|(____/ (tm) R E G I S T R A T I O N F O R M Name: _______________________________________________________ Address: ____________________________________________________ City: _______________________ State: ____ Zip: ______________ Country: ____________________________________________________ Phone Numbers: Day: ________________________________________________________ Evening: ____________________________________________________ Data: _______________________________________________________ Zone:Net/ Node.Point: ___________________________________________________ Your BBS Name: ________________________________________________ BBS Software: _____________________ Mailer: ___________________ Modem Brand: _____________________ Speed: ____________________ At what hotel will you be staying: ____________________________ Do you want an in room point? (Holiday Inn only) ______________ Are you a Sysop? _____________ Are you an IFNA Member? ______ FidoNews 6-32 Page 31 7 Aug 1989 Additional Guests: __________ (not attending conferences) Do you have any special requirements? (Sign Language translation, handicapped, etc.) ______________________________________________________ Comments: ______________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Costs How Many? Cost --------------------------- -------- ------- Conference fee $60 .................... ________ _______ ($75.00 after July 15) Friday Banquet $30.00 ................ ________ _______ ======== ======= Totals ................................ ________ _______ You may pay by Check, Money Order, or Credit Card. Please send no cash. All monies must be in U.S. Funds. Checks should be made out to: "FidoCon '89" This form should be completed and mailed to: Silicon Valley FidoCon '89 PO Box 390770 Mountain View, CA 94039 You may register by Netmailing this completed form to 1:1/89 for processing. Rename it to ZNNNXXXX.REG where Z is your Zone number, N is your Net number, and X is your Node number. US Mail confirmation is required within 72 hours to confirm your registration. If you are paying by credit card, please include the following information. For your own security, do not route any message with your credit card number on it. Crash it directly to 1:1/89. FidoNews 6-32 Page 32 7 Aug 1989 Master Card _______ Visa ________ Credit Card Number _____________________________________________ Expiration Date ________________________________________________ Signature ______________________________________________________ No credit card registrations will be accepted without a valid signature. Rooms at the Holiday Inn may be reserved by calling the Hotel at 408-998-0400, and mentioning that you are with FidoCon. Rooms are $60.00 per night double occupancy. Additional rollaways are available for $10.00 per night. To obtain these rates you must register before July 15. The official FidoCon '89 airline is American Airlines. You can receive either a 5% reduction in supersaver fares or a 40% reduction in the regular day coach fare. San Jose is an American Airlines hub with direct flights to most major cities. When making reservations, you must call American's reservation number, 800-433-1790, and reference Star number S0289VM. The official FidoCon '89 automobile rental agency is Alamo Rent a Car. Rates are as described below. All rates include automatic transmission, air conditioning, radio, and unlimited mileage. Economy car (example: Geo Metro) $32 day/$109 week. Compact car (example: Chevy Cavalier) $34 day/$120 week. Midsize car (example: Pontiac Grand Am) $36 day/$135 week. Standard car (example: Buick Regal) $38 day/$165 week. Luxury car (example: Buick LeSabre) $40 day/$239 week. To take advantage of this rate, call Alamo at 1-800-327-9633 and request the convention rate. Mention FidoCon '89, the location and dates. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-32 Page 33 7 Aug 1989 __ The World's First / \ BBS Network /|oo \ * FidoNet * (_| /_) _`@/_ \ _ | | \ \\ | (*) | \ )) ______ |__U__| / \// / Fido \ _//|| _\ / (________) (_/(_|(____/ (tm) Membership for the International FidoNet Association Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that pays a specified annual membership fee. IFNA serves the international FidoNet-compatible electronic mail community to increase worldwide communications. Member Name _______________________________ Date _______________ Address _________________________________________________________ City ____________________________________________________________ State ________________________________ Zip _____________________ Country _________________________________________________________ Home Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________ Work Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________ Zone:Net/Node Number ____________________________________________ BBS Name ________________________________________________________ BBS Phone Number ________________________________________________ Baud Rates Supported ____________________________________________ Board Restrictions ______________________________________________ Your Special Interests __________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ In what areas would you be willing to help in FidoNet? __________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Send this membership form and a check or money order for $25 in US Funds to: International FidoNet Association PO Box 41143 St Louis, Missouri 63141 USA Thank you for your membership! Your participation will help to insure the future of FidoNet. Please NOTE that IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization and Articles of Association and By-Laws were adopted by the membership in January 1987. The second elected Board of Directors was filled in August 1988. The IFNA Echomail Conference has been established on FidoNet to assist the Board. We welcome your input to this Conference. FidoNews 6-32 Page 34 7 Aug 1989 -----------------------------------------------------------------