F I D O N E W S -- | Vol. 8 No. 47 (25 November 1991) The newsletter of the | FidoNet BBS community | Published by: _ | / \ | "FidoNews" BBS /|oo \ | (415)-863-2739 (_| /_) | FidoNet 1:1/1 _`@/_ \ _ | Internet: | | \ \\ | fidonews@fidonews.fidonet.org | (*) | \ )) | |__U__| / \// | Editors: _//|| _\ / | Tom Jennings (_/(_|(____/ | Tim Pozar (jm) | ----------------------------+--------------------------------------- Published weekly by and for the Members of the FidoNet international amateur network. Copyright 1991, Fido Software. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact FidoNews. Paper price: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $5.00US Electronic Price: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . free! For more information about FidoNews refer to the end of this file. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ..................................................... 1 Editorial: Nothing ............................................ 1 2. ARTICLES ...................................................... 2 A LISTING OF KNOWN OTHERNETS .................................. 2 Rebuttal to "A view from the outside, by Jonathan Guy" ........ 4 More About WorldPol ........................................... 5 3. LATEST VERSIONS ............................................... 7 Latest Greatest Software Versions ............................. 7 4. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .......................................... 12 FidoNews 8-47 Page 1 25 Nov 1991 ====================================================================== EDITORIAL ====================================================================== Editorial: Nothing by Tom Jennings (1:1/1) This may be the shortest issue yet of FidoNews, at least since I've been editoring it. And I haven't got much to say to lengthen. ARTSPEC.DOC: can you believe, I still don't have a copy. Thom Henderson tried to send me a copy, but for some (technical) reason, our two programs aren't talking. Anyone else have a copy? re: the historical rant of mine, a few issues back: my my, it's surprising the amount of anger out there at the so-called "bullies running the net", the phrase used in more than one letter, and none of them were hateful rants/flames... people are pissed! I too don't like the structure. Heirarchy was supposed to stay in the logical addressing scheme, not in the social structure... To satisfy my own curiosity, I started writing down what I would consider the minimum rules for "all of us". I've had surprising results. It's short (130 lines right now, will be condensed to under 100 I think) and if it still looks sensible to me in a few weeks, I'll run it as an article. (I love hate mail.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 8-47 Page 2 25 Nov 1991 ====================================================================== ARTICLES ====================================================================== By Ralph Merritt, 1:2605/611 A LISTING OF KNOWN OTHERNETS Last Updated: 11/23/91 Hello, it's been awhile since I submitted this list to Fidonews. I appreciate all the assistance and help you've been giving me on this continuing project! If you're not already linked in, please join us in the OTHERNETS echomail conference, which has just been officially placed on the Fidonet Backbone! This should make it more generally available to those of you who are interested. Things have changed a bit. FREQing and maintaining the various nodelists was a time consuming, expensive and a hassle, so instead I've decided it's better to collect INFORMATION files. Hope you find them useful! The list is now divided into two parts... networks that reside in zones (and maintain a nodelist) and networks that do not reside in a zone (for example, file distribution networks, networks that are composed of a specialized set of echos within Fidonet, etc). The curent copy of this textfile is file-requestable as NETSALL.ART. You might also try FREQing FILES for a complete listing off all the OtherNet info files I carry (9600 HST DS w/V32b, V42b, Mail-only, Front Door, 24 hrs). Zone Coordinator Fidonet Info file to Network Name Zone or Contact Address FREQ from me ======================== ================ ========== ============ FidoNet (N. America) 1 George Peace 1:270/101 POLICY4.ARC - Europe 2 Felix Kasza 2:310/111 " - Oceania 3 Ray Chalmers 3:640/501 " - South America 4 Gustavo Zacarias 4:900/222 " - Africa 5 Henk Wolsink 5:494/2 " - Asia 6 Honlin Lue 6:720/13 " MacList 6 Tom Heffernan 1:269/369 MACLIST.ART AlterNet 7 Karl Schinke 1:107/516 Cactus Quick-Net 7 Nick Hellens 1:114/63 RBBS-Net 8 Rod Bowman 1:10/8 RBBS-NET The NETWORK 8 Bob Hoffman 1:11/50 Paranet 9 Michael Corbin 1:207/109 PARANET.ZIP PhoenixNet 9 Glen Cranford n/a Brigadoon 10 James Pallack 1:325/101 BRIGWEYR.ZIP SwampNet 10 Daron Johnston 1:3800/9 OPCN 11 Jim Grubs 1:234/1 NASANET 13 Craig Barnett 1:15/20 KesherNet 18 Jason Frokin 1:108/185 FishNet 21 Jack Reece 1:102/835 MailNet (N. America) 20 Lanny Conn 1:280/315 MAILNET.ZIP - Europe 21 Wolfgang Hryzak 2:313/12 FidoNews 8-47 Page 3 25 Nov 1991 - Asia 22 Vacant - S. America 23 Vacant SIGnet (Admin) 24 Jamie Penner 1:153/1025 SIGNET.ZIP - Canada 25 Denis Tonn 1:153/908 " - USA 26 Rick Hadsall 1:269/130 " - Europe 27 Norbert Versluis 2:283/300 " - Australia 28 Glen Harvy 3:713/700 " - Asia 29 Wen-Jinq Lee n/a " USCATCOM (USA) 31 Guy Hokanson 1:212/107 USCATCOM.ZIP - South America 32 Vacant " - Australia 33 Graeme Willox 3:640/297 " - Asia 34 Vacant " - Mediterranean 35 Vacant " - Europe 36 Torben Kaspersen 2:230/113 " - Africa 37 Vacant " UltraLINK 32 Dave Bogard 1:103/940 AmigaNet N. America 40 Chuck Baker 1:108/250 AMIGANET.ZIP - Europe 39 Vacant " CandyNet 42 Dr Pepper 1:103/241 SuperNet - Europe 42 Tony Norman 2:201/224 SUPERNET.ARJ - USA 43 Lee Anderson 1:139/650 " 4X4-NET 44 John Bierrie 1:11/140 4X4NET ChatNet (UK) 44 Clive Walker n/a CHATLIST.ZIP - USA 45 Steve Freoschke n/a " - Germany 49 Klaus M. Ruebsam 2:247/816 " - Spain 46 Jordi Murgo n/a " Vervan's Gaming Net 45 Ron Lahti 1:202/607 VNETKIT1.ZIP - Europe 46 Robbert Brown 2:286/300 " EchoNet 50 Ed Lawyer 1:261/3000 ENETSYS.ZIP CAPNet 55 David Boehm 1:103/234 CAPNET.ZIP IntlNet (N. America) 56 Mark Howard 1:260/1 - Europe 57 Fabiano Fabris n/a - Australia 58 Maurie Halkier 3:632/386 HobbyNet 57 Joe Adamson 1:147/16 DreamNet 63 Larry Houbre 1:101/863 OurNet 65 Robert Vanburkleo 1:106/285 ADULT_LINKS 69 Jim Deputy 1:103/158 APINET 69 Robert Eckert 1:269/304 InfoNet 70 Brandon Jones 1:284/17 HAMLINK 73 Jim Grubs 1:234/1 ICDM Net 77 Tomas Hood 1:352/777 ICDMSTRT.ZIP LCRNET 77 Brian McCullough 1:342/7 SpectroNet 77 David Musick n/a New Parents Network 79 Ken Salois 1:300/21 NP_NET.ZIP UFONET_USA 80 John Hicks 1:363/29 UIBNET 82 Chloe Cannaday 1:102/1019 UIBNET GateNet 84 Chloe Cannaday 1:102/1019 GATENET USA Telegard Net 85 Jack Reece 1:102/835 ToadNet 86 Chelsea Carlstedt 1:100/375 TOADKIT.ZIP TrekNet 87 Rob Lerman 1:203/57 TREKNET.ZIP MUFONET-BBS Network 88 John Komar 1:123/16 MUFONET0.ZIP IMEX (USA) 89 John Dunn n/a - Australia 90 Gordon Castle 3:632/20 Saudi Net 90 Todd Looney 1:143/27 SAUDINET.ZIP ICN 91 Rick Durso 1:272/28 ICNINFO.ZIP ICN - Canada 91 Kevin Brook 1:141/745 " FidoNews 8-47 Page 4 25 Nov 1991 PODNet 93 Chuck Haynes 1:308/60 PODINFO.ZIP ADAnet (tm) - USA 94 Al Cooper 1:202/606 ADANET7.ZIP - Canada 95 Bill Freeman 1:3602/24 " - Europe 95 Bill Freeman 1:3602/24 " - Australia 95 Bill Freeman 1:3602/24 " - Asia 95 Bill Freeman 1:3602/24 " EggNet 99 Ralph Merritt 1:269/111 EGGPOL2.ZIP MagNet 100 Michael Kane 1:272/20 MAGNET.ZIP TibetNet 108 Indira Singh 1:107/835 SPUDNet 123 David Terracino n/a SHELBY-Net 129 Guy Bullitt 1:135/46 PubNet 140 Dave Rigney 1:202/114 PoliceNet 150 Joseph Gaspard 1:202/724 InFiNet 177 David Helfrich 1:270/712 Hudson Valley Net 200 Jim Benedict 1:272/24 MetroNet (USA) 200 Jason Steck 1:104/424 - Canada 201 Cary Belger 1:134/33 SL_Net 250 Timothy Otty 1:275/123 FantasyNet 449 Scott Atkinson 1:134/79 ==================================================================== Non-Zone Based Networks ANSInet Kevin Snively 1:116/29 ANSI.ZIP CADnet Kevin Snively 1:116/29 CADNET.ZIP CFN Harold Robbins CFNKIT.ZIP ClipperNet Erik VanRiper 1:107/230 CLN DTPN Erik Vanriper 1:107/230 JOINDTPN DesqView Net Peter Stern 1:17/38 DNV-INF.LZH FurNet Nicolai Shapiro 1:102/524 FURNET.ZIP K12net Jack Crawford 1:260/620 K12_INFO.ZIP PDN Erik Vanriper 1:107/230 PDNINFO.* PRIME Steve Winter 1:151/208 PRIME.ZIP RelayNet(tm) Bonnie Anthony n/a RIME.ZIP SGANet Brian McConnell 1:114/15 SGANET.ZIP SoundNet Bob Johnson 1:327/1 SOUNDPAK.ZIP ThrobNet Douglas Kent n/a THROB1.ZIP UtilNet Jerry Seward 1:260/222 n/a WinNet Larry Mundy 1:130/38 WININFO.ZIP ==================================================================== ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rebuttal to "A view from the outside, by Jonathan Guy" by William Westlake (A Grunt SysOp) 1:202/326 I have been "Modeming" for a number of years but have been involved in Networks for only a short time. I have started and am running my own network, in many ways similar to FidoNet. When I started my own NET I felt to some degree like Mr. Guy, that rules needed to be limited or almost non-existent. I quickly discovered the difficulties in this. FidoNews 8-47 Page 5 25 Nov 1991 I did not take Mr. Guy's article as a flame and I hope he does not take this one as a Flame. It is true that Fido has rules and some people don't like them. I have noticed that MOST people accept them for exactly what they are. They are an attempt to bring some degree of structure and orderliness to s system that can quickly and easily turn into chaos. No doubt they can be improved as all things can. I have yet to meet any *C's that are POWER HUNGRY in any way. People who want POWER don't play games with amerature networks. There are a great many people who don't want rules at all. They believe that FREEDOM means to DO WHAT THEY WANT PERIOD. Rules are a good thing and I am quite glad that fido has them. Mr. Guy should try to run and organize ANYTHING with no rules and see how successful he is. As for politics, huh? They exist in any organization that has people! If you don't see any politics then some is missing, either people or ORGANIZATION ...... As for taking it seriously? Well it can be a serious business. People don't need to depend upon something for their lively hood for it to be serious. If you compare what we do to other telecommunications like HAM radio the rules we have to deal with are MINOR by comparison. If we were to eliminate all rules then it would only be a matter of time before the government stepped in and imposed it's own set. In short, I don't think there is a single *C that believes the Fido Net policy to be perfect, it can be improved and will be in time. Have some patients with these things and remember that the *C's are doing all of us a GREAT service by what they do FOR FREE. I know I am a *C in my own NET.... William Westlake, 1:202/326@FidoNet 44:8100/104@4x4Net 99:99/0@SciFiNet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A Message From 4:4/50, The WorldPol Project: UPDATE ON WORLDPOL DISTRIBUTION Four Zones Already Linked The WORLDPOL echo, for those interested in participating in the development of the WorldPol proposal to serve as FidoNet policy, has expanded its distribution to two more zones. Here is the current distribution scheme, worldwide: FidoNews 8-47 Page 6 25 Nov 1991 Zone-1: WorldPol is being gated by the IDS and is distributed independently by 1:128/77, 1:133/411, 1:142/928, 1:157/603, 1:250/99 and 1:273/909. You can request a feed from any of these systems or from your echomail coordinator if you are in Region 12 (Eastern Canada). Zone-2: WorldPol is now being gated to Europe by Noel Bradford in London, England. Please contact him at 2:257/102 for a feed. Zone-4: WorldPol is being gated by the IDS and is available all throughout the official echomail distribution system in Zone-4. Any inquires can be addressed to 4:900/202. Zone-6: WorldPol is now being gated to Asia by Honlin Lue in Taipei, Taiwan. Please contact him at 6:720/13 for a feed. NOTICE -- If you have trouble getting a feed from any of the aforementioned nodes, please send net-mail to the moderator of WORLDPOL, Pablo Kleinman, at 1:102/631. This echo is open to everyone interested in collaborating with the proposal to replace FidoNet Policy, known as WORLDPOL 2b. We are working to further its distribution to the remaining two zones, to increase international participation at this new stage. If you can collaborate with this, please contact the WorldPol Project at 4:4/50 or 1:102/631. Thank you. WORLDPOL version 2b is available for file-request in Zone 1 at 1:102/631 (HST/24hrs) with magic name WORLDPOL. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 8-47 Page 7 25 Nov 1991 ====================================================================== LATEST VERSIONS ====================================================================== Latest Greatest SoftWare Versions Last Update: 11/14/91 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Systems -------------- BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- Aurora 1.32b* D'Bridge 1.30 2DAPoint 1.41* DreamBBS 1.05 Dreamer 1.06 ARCAsim 2.31 Genesis Deluxe 3.2* FrontDoor 2.02* DEMM 1.06 Kitten 1.01 InterMail 2.01 DGMM 1.06 Maximus-CBCS 2.00* Milqtoast 1.00 DOMAIN 1.42 Merlin 1.39n PreNM 1.48* EEngine 0.32* ProBoard 1.17* SEAdog 4.60 EMM 2.10* QuickBBS 2.75* SEAmail 1.01@ EZPoint 2.1 RemoteAccess 1.10* 4Dog/4DMatrix 1.18 SimplexBBS 1.05 FGroup 1.00 Socrates 1.11 NodeList Utilities GateWorks 3.06e* TAG 2.5g Name Version GMD 3.10* TComm/TCommNet 3.4 -------------------- GMM 1.21 WWIV 4.20 FDND 1.10 GoldEd 2.31p Parselst 1.33* GROUP 2.23 XlaxNode/Diff 2.53* GUS 1.40* HeadEdit 1.18 IMAIL 1.20 Compression InterPCB 1.31 Utilities Lola 1.01d Name Version MSG 4.2* -------------------- MsgLnk 1.0c ARC 7.12* MsgMstr 2.03a* ARJ 2.20 MsgNum 4.16d LHA 2.13 Netsex 2.00b* PAK 2.51 Oliver 1.0a PKPak 3.61 PolyXarc 2.1a PKZip 1.10 QM 1.00a* QSort 4.04 Raid 1.00 SquishMail 1.00* StarLink 1.01 TCOMMail 2.2 TGroup 1.13 TMail 1.21 TPBNetEd 3.2 Tosscan 1.00 FidoNews 8-47 Page 8 25 Nov 1991 UFGATE 1.03 VPurge 4.09e*@ WildMail 1.01b* XRS 4.51* ZmailH 1.25* OS/2 Systems ------------ BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- Kitten 1.01 BinkleyTerm 2.50* ARC 7.12 Maximus-CBCS 2.00 BinkleyTerm(S) 2.50*@ ARC2 6.01* SimplexBBS 1.04.02+ SEAmail 1.01@ EZPoint 2.1@ FGroup 1.00@ GROUP 2.23@ LH2 2.11* MSG 4.2* MsgEd 2.06c* MsgLink 1.0c MsgNum 4.16d* oMMM 1.52 Omail 3.1 Parselst 1.33* PKZip 1.02 PMSnoop 1.30*@ PolyXOS2 2.1a QSort 2.1 Raid 1.0 Remapper 1.2 SquishMail 1.00 VPurge 4.09e* Xenix/Unix 386 -------------- BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- |Contact: Jon Hogan-uran 3:711/909, | |Willy Paine 1:343/15 or Eddy van Loo| |2:285/406 | Apple II -------- BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- DDBBS + 8.0* Fruity Dog 2.0 deARC2e 2.1 GBBS Pro 2.1 ProSel 8.70* FidoNews 8-47 Page 9 25 Nov 1991 ShrinkIt 3.30* |Contact: Dennis McClain-Furmanski 1:275/42| ShrinkIt GS 1.04 Apple CP/M ---------- BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- Macintosh --------- BBS Software Network Mailers Other Software Name Version Name Version Name Version -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- Point System Software Name Version -------------------- MacWoof 1.1 Amiga ----- BBS Software Network Mailers Other Software Name Version Name Version Name Version -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- DLG Pro. 0.96b TrapDoor 1.80 Areafix 1.48 Falcon CBCS 1.00 AReceipt 1.5 Paragon 2.082+ ChameleonEdit 0.11* XenoLink 1.0 Compression ElectricHerald 1.66 Utilities GCChost 3.6b@ Name Version MessageFilter 1.52 NodeList Utilities -------------------- Message View 1.12@ Name Version UnZip 4.1 oMMM 1.49b -------------------- TrapToss 1.20* TrapList 1.40 Yuck! 2.02* |Contact: Maximilian Hantsch 2:310/6| Atari ST/TT ----------- BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- FIDOdoor/ST 2.5.1* Burep 1.1@ FiFo 2.1v ComScan 1.04 QuickBBS/ST 1.04 Echoscan 1.10 FidoNews 8-47 Page 10 25 Nov 1991 FDrenum 2.5.2* Import 1.14 Compression Trenum 0.10 Utilities Name Version -------------------- LHARC 2.01e UnJARST 2.00 WhatArc 2.02 Archimedes ---------- BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- Tandy Color Computer 3 (OS-9 Level II) -------------------------------------- BBS Software Compression Utility Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- RiBBS 2.02 OS9ARC (Arc) 1.0 Ascan 1.2 OS9ARC (Dearc) 1.0 AutoFRL 2.0 DEARC CKARC 1.1 UNZIP 3.10 EchoCheck 1.01 FReq 2.5a LookNode 2.00 ParseLST RList 1.03 RTick 2.00 UnSeen 1.1 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Key: + - Netmail Capable (Doesn't Require Additional Mailer Software) * - Recently Updated Version @ - New Addition # - Commercial SoftWare(Not In Use Yet) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Utility Authors: Please help keep this list up to date by reporting all new versions to 1:103/950 in this format: 1) Software Name & Version 2) FileName.Ext 3) Support Node Address 4) Support BBS Phone Number FidoNews 8-47 Page 11 25 Nov 1991 Note: It is not our intent to list all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity. If you want it updated in the next FidoNews, get it to me by Thursday evening. --David French, 1:103/950 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 8-47 Page 12 25 Nov 1991 ====================================================================== FIDONEWS INFORMATION ====================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Tom Jennings, Tim Pozar Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Periello Special thanks to Ken Kaplan, 1:100/22, aka Fido #22 "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/1 Internet fidonews@fidonews.fidonet.org BBS (415)-863-2739 (9600 HST/V32) (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews Box 77731 San Francisco CA 94107 USA Published weekly by and for the Members of the FidoNet international amateur electronic mail system. It is a compilation of individual articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. 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