F I D O N E W S -- Vol.11 No.15 (11-Apr-1994) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | | | FidoNet BBS community | Published by: | | _ | | | / \ | "FidoNews" BBS | | /|oo \ | +1-519-570-4176 1:1/23 | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | Editors: | | | | \ \\ | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 | | | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | |__U__| / \// | Tim Pozar 1:125/555 | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet addresses: | | | | Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com | | Both Don & Sylvia (submission address) | | editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies and other boring but important details, | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Editorial..................................................... 1 2. Articles...................................................... 2 "Dear Emily Postnews"....................................... 2 Zone Gate? Ja!.............................................. 3 BBS Business Directory...................................... 5 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 8 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== FidoNews 11-15 Page: 2 11 Apr 1994 Little is happening here. A calm week and few articles in the inbound, so this is a short issue. I have been thinking that it has been a long time since there has been a Fidocon. We have printed several notices of events in Europe over the last year or two, but none in North America. Summer is coming ... has no one planned a party? Here is the news. ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== "Dear Emily Postnews" [Written specifically for USENET, but applies to echomail too. Author unknown. Please step forward!] Emily Postnews, foremost authority on proper net behaviour, gives her advice on how to act on the net: - - - - - - - Q: Somebody just posted that Roman Polanski directed Star Wars. What should I do? A: Post the correct answer at once! We can't have people go on believing that! Very good of you to spot this. You'll probably be the only one to make the correction, so post as soon as you can. No time to lose, so certainly don't wait a day, or check to see if somebody else has made the correction. And it's not good enough to send the message by mail. Since you're the only one who really knows that it was Francis Coppola, you have to inform the whole net right away! ------ Q: I read an article that said, "reply by mail, I'll summarize." What should I do? A: Post your response to the whole net. That request applies only to dumb people who don't have something interesting to say. Your postings are much more worthwhile than other people's, so it would be a waste to reply by mail. ------ Q: I collected replies to an article I wrote, and now it's time to summarize. What should I do? A: Simply concatenate all the articles together into a big file and post that. On USENET, this is known as a summary. It lets people read all the replies without annoying newsreaders getting in the way. Do the same when summarizing a vote. ------ Q: I saw a long article that I wish to rebut carefully, what should I do? FidoNews 11-15 Page: 3 11 Apr 1994 A: Include the entire text with your article, particularly the signature, and include your comments closely packed between the lines. Be sure to post, and not mail, even though your article looks like a reply to the original. Everybody *loves* to read those long point-by-point debates, especially when they evolve into name-calling and lots of "Is too!" -- "Is not!" -- "Is too, twizot!" exchanges. Be sure to follow-up everything, and never let another person get in the last word on a net debate. Why, if people let other people have the last word, then discussions would actually stop! Remember, other net readers aren't nearly as clever as you, and if somebody posts something wrong, the readers can't possibly realize that on their own without your elucidations. If somebody gets insulting in their net postings, the best response is to get right down to their level and fire a return salvo. When I read one net person make an insulting attack on another, I always immediately take it as gospel unless a rebuttal is posted. It never makes me think less of the insulter, so it's your duty to respond. ------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zone Gate? Ja! From: Federico Joselevich (4:900/109) Hey! This is just for the Guiness Records! = NETMail Area (4:900/109) ============================================ Msg : 273 of 280 Rcv Pvt From : Monica Lis 1:17/57 Tue 03 Nov 92 23:05 To : Federico Joselevich 4:900/109 Thu 31 Mar 94 02:00 ======================================================================= .INTL 4:900/109 1:17/57 [message body] [look at this date:] --->>> .Via 1:105/6, 10:04:58 UTC, November 4, 1992 - Rts v1.56 <<<--- .Via Node 1:105/6, Wed Nov 04 01:05:18 (QM v1.02a) .Via 1:105/42, 11:48:44 UTC, November 4, 1992 - Rts v1.57 .Via QM 1:105/42, Wed Nov 04 02:49 (v1.30/b29) [and now look at *this* date:] --->>>>> .Via FMail 4:808/3, Sat 26 Mar 1994 9:24 <<<<<--- In people words: Somebody sent me a message one year and a half ago, in November 4th, 1992. That message went out of Randy Bush system last March 26th. This is only an example of many others messages I've receive last week, including one from Bob Moravsik (1:2606/583) saying this: >> Dearest RC's: FidoNews 11-15 Page: 4 11 Apr 1994 >> >> I was asked by the policy 4.1c committee to follow up with each of >> you to ask your support to allow Fidonet to vote on this policy draft. >> A copy was sent to the ZC's for distribution in each region. If you >> will notify the IC Matt Whelan that you wish to have a vote on the >> document and send a copy of this message to me our many hours of labor >> to better Fidonet will be served. Best regards Bob Moravsik At the time this message was post I was RC of 4:90/0 and I would answer 'yes' to it. But I couldn't. Why? Becouse Mr. Randy Bush didn't want to route messages to Zone 4. Kids, what's going on? Isn't anybody going to do *anything* about this? To finish this message and make it as smaller as posible take a look to this: > 2.1.7 Not Routing Mail > You are not required to route traffic if you have not agreed to do so. > You are not obligated to route traffic for all if you route it for any, > unless you hold a Network Coordinator or Hub Coordinator position. > Routing traffic through a node not obligated to perform routing without > the permission of that node may be annoying behavior. This includes > unsolicited echomail. [---------------------------] > If you do not forward a message when you previously agreed to perform > such routing, the message must be returned to the sysop of the node at > which it entered FidoNet with an explanation of why it was not forwarded. > (It is not necessary to return messages which are addressed to a node > which is not in the current nodelist.) Intentionally stopping an > in-transit message without following this procedure constitutes annoying > behavior. [---------------------------] > In the case of a failure to forward traffic due to a technical problem, > it does not become annoying unless it persists after being pointed out > to the sysop. Hoping a *real* international Network, Federico Joselevich fjoselevich@appeal.edu.ar Federico Joselevich federico@appeal.edu.ar FidoNews 11-15 Page: 5 11 Apr 1994 BBS Business Directory WishNet International (C) 1991, 1994 - All Rights Reserved --------------------------------------------------- We are in the process of compiling a publication for those involved with doing Business -vs- their modem. If you fall within this category and would like "exposure" for yourself, please use the below composite form to add your information. Once you have completely filled all categories, please send it back to me, using of the appropriate numbers listed at the end of this documentation. Thank you! ------------- < Cut Here > ------------------------ BBS BUSINESS DIRECTORY Network Participant Profile -- 03/01/94 [Part 1] ==================================================== Name Title Company Address Phone Numbers ( )________ ( )________ Fax Number ( )________ Type of Industry Year Established No. of Employees ------------------------------------------------------------- Products Sold Services Provided Overview Interests/Area Served InterNet Address ============================================================= Home Based [ ] Corporation [ ] Franchise [ ] Office Based [ ] Partnership [ ] Products [ ] Full Time [ ] Proprietorship [ ] Services [ ] Part Time [ ] Entrepreneur [ ] Resale [ ] MLM [ ] -------------------------------------------------------------- Please include a valid NODE NUMBER to be attached to this BBS Listing, so we may be aware of where to contact you via modem! -------------------------------------------------------------- BBS/Modem Business Survey [Part 2] - April 04, 1994 ========================================================== All rights reserved, WishNet International, Rozey Strohl What publications do you read? FidoNews 11-15 Page: 6 11 Apr 1994 [ ] City Newspaper [ ] Community Newspaper [ ] Industry Newspaper [ ] Trade Magazines [ ] Consumer Magazines [ ] Newsletters What shows do you or your employees attend? [ ] National conventions [ ] Local trade shows [ ] Community Events What groups do you belong to? [ ] Business and professional groups [ ] Community groups? What do you respond to? [ ] Phone calls [ ] Letters [ ] On-site visits [ ] Postcards How do you originally hear about your associates? [ ] Mass media marketing [ ] Mini media marketing [ ] Word of mouth Why do you continue to buy from other services? [ ] Service [ ] Quality [ ] Rapport What problems have you encountered with previous services? 1. 2. 3. Has your company ever needed the services of a Computer Training School? (ie, Program Learning) [Yes/No] If yes, what is the maximum price you have paid per class? [ ] $100-149 [ ] $150-199 [ ] $200-299 [ ] $300 and up Does your company produce its own newsletter? [Yes/No] (If yes, how often does it get distributed? ) [ ] Once a month [ ] Bi-Monthly [ ] Quarterly [ ] Other If other, please specify______________________________ What is the name of your newsletter?___________________ Do you do your own accounting/bookkeeping? [Yes/No] If yes, what software do you utilize? ____________ ___________________________________________________ If no, what accounting services do you utilize? FidoNews 11-15 Page: 7 11 Apr 1994 ___________________________________________________ Yearly Cost of accounting service? $_______________ Do you use an in-house bookkeeper? [Yes/No] If yes, what is the yearly cost of the employee? $_____________ per year If no, would you consider a competent bookkeeping service for a fair market price? [Yes/No] What products are currently utilized by your company? [ ] MS Word [ ] MS Excel [ ] MS Publisher [ ] MS Access [ ] MS Windows [ ] WinFax [ ] Aldus Pagemaker [ ] Lotus 123 [ ] Novell/LANtastic [ ] CA Simply Money [ ] DAC Easy Accounting [ ] Peachtree Accounting [ ] Graphics Workshop [ ] Harvard Graphics [ ] Power Point [ ] DBase IV [ ] FoxPro [ ] Quattro Pro What yearly sales category is your company? [ ] $ 5,000 - $ 9,000 [ ] $10,000 - $19,000 [ ] $20,000 - $39,000 [ ] $40,000 - $59,000 [ ] $60,000 and over Is your company tax-exempt? [Yes/No] Does your company work a FISCAL or CALENDAR year for its Financial Statements? [Fiscal/Calendar] -------------------- < Cut Here > -------------------------- Thank you for taking the time to answer this survey. Rozey Strohl WishNet International P.O. Box 3722 Centerline, Michigan 48015 Data 1 (810) 759-2128 Data 2 (810) 759-4910 [14400K, V32BIS] [14400K, HST] InterNet E-mail: rozey_strohl@bizynet.com FidoNews 11-15 Page: 8 11 Apr 1994 FidoNet Netmail: 1:120/605, 1:120/606 ITCNet Netmail : 85:871/302 BizyNet Address: 70:1/82 SynNet Address : 151:400/0, 151:1810/10 WishNet Address: 19:19/0, 19:19/1 International Business Welcome! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar Tom Jennings "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS) Internet addresses: Don & Sylvia (submission address) editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews 128 Church St. Kitchener, Ontario Canada N2H 2S4 Published weekly by and for the members of the FidoNet international amateur electronic mail system. 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