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Editorial..................................................... 1 2. Articles...................................................... 2 Response to "Who Owns an Echo?"............................. 2 STAR TREK CUSTOMIZABLE CARD GAME............................ 4 Moebius Magazine............................................ 5 An Echo a day............................................... 5 The Neophyte's Guide to FIDO................................ 6 Fantacize if you MUST, but reality is here.................. 10 New echo for Respiratory Therapy............................ 11 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 12 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== FidoNews 12-15 Page: 2 10 Apr 1995 Puppy had kittens today. Puppy, for those of you that are not regular readers, is our cat. There is nothing like a gaggle of kittens thundering arround a house to remind one what is important, and what is not. I am looking forward to watching them discover the world. The ECROC issue continues to be debated with several articles this week. While I am not against ECROC in the sense that I see no place for it, I still cannot understand why its' proponents insist it has to be the *only* ethical standard allowed. Cyberspace is not real space. One can create a new echo as fast as one can string together a unique tagname. There is room for *every* set of standards, not just one. Variety gives us choice, and allows evolution. Insisting on a social standard where none is neccessary can only be restrictive. Max and I have been thinking that it may be time to pass the Snooze on to new editors. We have been doing it for almost two years. There exists no real mechanism for doing that, beyond how we obtained the job. Tom Jennings asked for volunteers, and chose a pair from the respondents. I would suggest that a single person might not be a good idea, as it can get quite onerous week after week. There is a solid three or four hours of work every sunday, without fail. The correspondence adds to that, and can get to be as large a job as you allow it to be. Between us, I suspect we average fifteen to twenty hours per week. Here is the news. ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== Response to "Who Owns an Echo?" by Jerry Schwartz 1:142/928 FIDONEWS Vol 12, No 14 In response to Jerry Schwartz's article in a recent edition of Fidonews, I must say that I am all for his beliefs and way of thinking when it comes to moderating of echoes. Although I am not an echo moderator (but just simply an average Fidonet citizen), I also feel that a moderator DOES own an echo. Many echoes were BEGUN by the moderators that now control them. That is, the moderators that SHOULD be able to control them (without being excessively criticized by Bob Moravsik and others, who seem to want this world called Fidonet to follow THEIR train of thought exclusively). A moderator, without a shadow of a doubt in MY mind, should be able to take any action they feel necessary against an offending party. Moderators do not exist simply to amuse the crowd with their anitcs, but they exist to maintain order, keep discussions on topic, or do pretty much whatever they please. And this is, and should continue FidoNews 12-15 Page: 3 10 Apr 1995 to be, their right. Once a person is appointed to moderate an echo, his decisions MUST be allowed to stand. As Jerry pointed out, a weak moderator can mean a weak echo. Nonetheless, echo moderators should be in complete control of their echo. They should be allowed to take whatever course of action they feel necessary, whether it be simply a warning or the cutting of a feed. I DO believe, however, that each moderator should have a set of rules that they post regularly from time to time. However, if they do NOT post any rules for that echo, then they CANNOT justify any cutting off of a feed without first warning the offender. But here's what I'm really getting at: Echoes cannot exist without people writing messages in them. An echo can also not exist without an active and effective moderator. It humors me to see people complaining about an echo, when it's often their complaints and messages that cause the echo to become stagnant. A good example comes to mind: the SYSOP echo. This, from what I understand, was the ORIGINAL international Fidonet sysop chat echo (but one would never know from reading through the immature nonsense that goes on there). The MODERATOR, in my opinion, was not to blame. The WRITERS in SYSOP, at first, were not to be blamed either. But what started as a simple misunderstanding and software goof turned into a crazy thread of replies, thus continuing the nonsense. Okay, big deal..wow..Somebody wrote a message to "sysop". Everyone thought this was funny (since only sysops write in the echo in the first place), but it wasn't enough just to write one short reply with some funny comment. Instead, it has resulted in a huge battle of flaming and an immense number of messages written to and/or from "sysop".. Instead of helping to end the problem by just simply not continuing to reply, many of the SYSOP echo participants continue to send responses to these messages. They complain all the while, when THEY are the ones causing the problem now. My point behind all of that is this: A moderator should have complete control over an echo, and any disgruntled message writer should first review their OWN personal conduct before pointing their finger and trying to introduce and encourage new policies. I'm not saying that I've been perfect myself: everyone has disagreements from time to time. But no one can ever say that I've ever argued with a moderator, cussed one out, or ever tried to thwart the "evil" intentions of a moderator by trying to form my own policy that I think the rest of the net, for some reason, should also come to accept. Simply put, I am against any new Fidonet "legislation" or policy governing and restricting the powers of echo moderators. I consider any such policy ridiculous to the uttermost extent, and will not support it in any way. Phillip Murray 1:3648/12 FidoNews 12-15 Page: 4 10 Apr 1995 STAR TREK CUSTOMIZABLE CARD GAME I would like to introduce a new echo that has just been added to the Fido Net Backbone. It is called "STARTREK_CCG", which stands for Star Trek Customizable Card Game. For those of you who are not familiar with the game, it is a 60 card deck that you customize. You can buy basically as many cards as you want (363 different cards currently available), You decide what affiliation you want to be, choose 6 different missions, choose what dilemma's that you wish to cast upon your opponent, build your ship (I prefer the USS Enterprise, but you may prefer a Klingon or Romulan Ship instead). Put a crew on, and accomplish your missions, and finish before your opponent does. One with most points win. In this echo we discuss each card in detail, post news items as they become available, trade cards (they are also very collectable), discuss different stategies, and answer as many questions as we can. Note below is not even a fraction of what has been mentioned in the echo so far. Q: STRATEGY BOOK -- Is there going to be a Strategy Book? Q: MOT THE BARBER -- What about cards that seem to have no use, like Mot the Barber? Q: LEADERSHIP -- How does "leadership" work? Are all Officers leaders or are only people with "Leadership" leaders? Q: "DISCARD DILEMMA" -- What does "Discard dilemma" on several of the Dilemma cards mean? Q: SUPERNOVA -- Can Kevin Uxbridge stop the Supernova? For answers to these questions and many many more, plus have a good time with us in this echo, have your sysop to join this echo. It is newly available on the Backbone. Any system not having access to this echo netmail me to 1:2602/510, and I will see what I can do to find a feed for you. You may try this echo FREE for 30 Days. If you like it, continue to carry it for FREE... Any way you look at it.. It is a free echo with alot of good news items relating to the Star Trek Customizable Card Game. I hope to see you there. John Campbell Moderator 1:2602/510 FidoNews 12-15 Page: 5 10 Apr 1995 Moebius Magazine. From: Antonio Sanchez (2:345/803.21) Hola, como se anda por esos lares de Dios Sylvia! I write to you, in my bad english, to report you about a new idea haved in Granada (Spain). That idea is a Magazine, a graphics magazine for VGA users which is named Moebius Magazine. This magazine is Register for Europe with the Legal Deposit n§ GR.-254/95. The magazine is made for de nodes Atlantis and Unibase addresses 2:345/801 y 2:345/803. Moebius is made to join our BBS in a common work. So we like that you speak up about our magazine in yours, in date 15-04-95 the magazine will be avaible in Atlantis (2:345/801) If you want to get the first number you only have to make an FREQ or call at the number: Atlantis BBS Tlf: 34-58-12.38.48 Director: Antonio Sanchez 2:345/803.21 Sub.Dir : Jesus Alonso 2:345/801.31 thanks for your patience. Saludos Tete. InterNet ---> ASanchez@p21.unibase.ecomix.com FodoNet ---> 2:345/803.21 RedBBS ---> 757:601/4.21 ZyxelNet ---> 16:1400/204.21 MagicNet ---> 90:9100/203.21 Alguien sabe qu‚ hago aqu¡.... ;-? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- An Echo a day... Joe Klemmer - 1:109/370 klemmerj@hoffman-emh1.army.mil Echomail. What an interesting phenomenon. In the last few issues of Fidonews there's been a discussion of moderators and their ability to cut links. Should this be? Is it right to allow someone to indiscriminately cut feeds on a whim? Hell yes! Here's the point, as I see it. A moderator is 'god' on his/her echo. If we, as participants of that echo, don't like how it's run or FidoNews 12-15 Page: 6 10 Apr 1995 anything else about it we are free to leave. "Vote with your feet," as the saying goes. And, as Jerry Schwartz pointed out, _anyone_ can just simply start their own echo if they really want to. A good case in point - HOLY_BIBLE HOLY_BIBLE_II HOLY_BIBLE_CRS (not positive on this one, it's so new). There's another thing to remember. There's pretty much nothing a moderator can do to you outside of cutting your feed. Your node number is not in jeopardy over anything that happens in an echo, at least not in Zone 1. Nor is your ability to send/receive netmail and files. The bottom line in all this is if you like participating in an echo then play by the rules, if you don't like it just leave. It's the simplest of situations. The power of Fidonet is what makes it so simple. SURFACE MAIL: USAPPC, ASQZ-IMA Bld I, Room 1034 2461 Eisenhower Av. Alexandria, VA 22331-0302 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Neophyte's Guide to FIDO By Red E. Mailscan Chapter One You are a new sysop. We all know that. We saw you pop up in our nodediff processors just the other day. New meat. Yum yum. Sure, we know you have read and understand Policy Four and understand what it means (ha ha). Sure you personally signed a netmail message saying you believe in it and have saluted the FIDO flag, have paid into your local mail-factory/host and generally pleased the NC. Welcome aboard. You are now a certified nodelisted FIDO sysop with all of the powers and responsibility that are required to run a real live BBS with all kinds of message areas full of all kinds of neet people who want to talk about really neet-o keen things that you have been just DYING to talk about. Wowie Nellie, cut me loose I've got my pants full of hornets.......... Probably you have noticed that nobody is very damned excited about it but you. Maybe that is because a lot of us have seen hundreds...maybe even thousands in some cases...of newbies come and go. Sometimes they are kids going back to school and taking their boards down at the end of summer. Occasionally, we may get what I call a "supernova" that blows into cyber-town and rustles some cattle and then leaves shooting up the saloon and cathouse during their usual hasty exit. FidoNews 12-15 Page: 7 10 Apr 1995 There is that brave soul who makes it and weathers the hurricanes of the net from time to time, but a good many quit because of some difference with another sysop and a perceived lack of interest from the all-knowing beings we call the "Fidogawds". This is pretty evident, since any nitwit can see that a great deal of the Snooze is consumed with some net wanting to string up their NC for flicking boogers at a pizza party or even recall elections for all of Eastern Europe, England, South America, Hong Kong (hong kong?). Yes, PeeFour Lawyering is a big business in FIDO and I'll file on you if you say it isn't.(just kidding) If you believe in PeeFour Lawyers, then they can cause you heartache, misery, high telephone bills, headaches, ulcers, shitfits and other problems. That is why I don't believe in them. I have been watching and I think I am right. PeeFour Lawyers are some sort of role-playing game that requires netmail and someone who gives a shit. Sorta like the old Eliza smartassed psycho-whatchamacallit program that would carry on idiotic dialogue for those unable to figure out where the key was. The unfortunate thing is that some of the *C's (pronounced "StarSees" syn.(FIDOgawds)) do believe in PeeFour Lawyers. Luckily for us, a great number do not believe in PeeFour Lawyers and refuse to accept their existance...even at times to the point of "losing" netmailed demands for a decision and blatently ignoring a sysop who is screaming bloody murder. The trick to making it in FIDO is not believing in PeeFour Lawyers. Most PeeFour Lawyers are nutballs, everyone knows it....so don't sweat it. If you pissed some jerk off and he wants to file on you and say your dog wears pink-laced underwear...BFD...he's a jerk. Tell him to file it where the sun don't shine.(usually some fidogawd's inbound) If you haven't actually been a class "A1" world-class dumbshit odds are that you won't ever hear crap from anyone. Believe it or not, most of these FIDOgawds have jobs and wives and kids and car payments and humongous telephone bills and all kinds of things that will make _your_ nefarious misdeed of sayyyy...crossposting messages from SATAN_WORSHIP to the BAPTIST_WOMEN echo....a minor occurance of rebellion that they must see maybe 50 times a day on average. I don't blame them. If I had to hack through 50 or 60 messages a day that were nothing but one sysop whining about another sysop I wouldn't even consider anything that wasn't pretty spectacular.(Like launching an anti-satellite weapon against Planet Connect) Your best bet is to ignore a PeeFour Lawyer. Let them be the frustrated and outraged sysop and you kick back and chill your heels while his/her blood pressure blows. Let them be pissed because nobody listens to them. It gets rather comical when you let it go and watch it all self-destruct because you _refuse_ to believe in the PeeFour Lawyer or his/her PeeFour LegitBitch(TM). Let me give an example to better illustrate the concept to the newer and less sysoply persons who may have just tuned in: ______________________________________________________________________ Date April 2,1995 From: Tran Bin Hmong (6:687/444) To: Michael Johnson (1:106/3323) FidoNews 12-15 Page: 8 10 Apr 1995 Sub: Your CAT_TORTURE echo cc: NC 1:106/0 RC 1:19/0 ZC 1:1/0 Mr. Johnson, After reading your article in FIDOnews, I must conclude that your echo will violate the community standards in Phu Bok and must file grievance with FIDO on you. I wish to make Policy Four complaint as torturing cats in Phu Bok is a crime and so is talk about it. I demand retraction and apology and suspension of node number from your boss-san node person. You in big trouble. Respectfully yours, Tran Bin Hmong Phu Bok ASPCA/PETA --------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow, what a cool inbound netmail! I mean wow! MAJOR CHILL..! ...that is until....... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Date April 9,1995 From: Joe Starsee (FIDOGAWD_LOCAL_COMMAND) To: Michael Johnson (1:106/3323) Sub: Your CAT_TORTURE echo cc: RC 1:19/0 Hey Mike. You are going to have to lay off the cat-hate stuff, guy. I have about 5 hundred stinking netmail messages here that range from polite urgings to burn you at the stake to some rather inventive sexual fantasy stuff. I can't take this much longer so just cool it or I am going to have to cut your ass out of the nodelist or something. Now cool that damned CAT_TORTURE echo and I mean now. Please..... BTW, there is one guy who has actually filed a damned PeeFour complaint against you from (get this) VietNam because they have some kind of law against talking about torturing cats. So, if you are sending this damned echo to VietNam....STOP IT!!! Thanks in advance for cooling the cat echo.. Joe Starsee LOCAL_FIDOGOD ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Now what? You really do want that echo to go, but now there go the problems. I suggest you first reply to the LOCAL_FIDOGAWD and pump his ego, and form a relationship with conspiratorial undertones based on something you may have in common. In this situation, you can exploit the fact that the complainer is not an American........good safe bet.... FidoNews 12-15 Page: 9 10 Apr 1995 _______________________________________________________________________ Date April 13,1995 From: Michael Johnson (1:106/3323) To: Joe Starsee (FIDOGAWD_LOCAL_COMMAND) Sub: PeeFour Lawyers js> BTW, there is one guy who has actually filed a damned PeeFour complaint js>inst you from (get this) VietNam because they have some kind of law js>inst talking about torturing cats. So, if you are sending this damned echo js>VietNam....STOP IT!!! Thanks in advance for cooling the cat echo.. Hi, Joe. Looks to me as if this might be one of the older Viets that might even have participated in the war, and I don't mean on our side. Probably a paid troublemaker sent in to forment unrest before they attempt some type of repeat of the Tet offensive. SOrry, I won't take down my favourite echo because some slopehead had a cow about us skinning a few cats. I only regret that they never let us really go in and work on those red assholes or these problems might not be surfacing today. We could have FIXED this problem then....but NOOOOOOoooooooo. Well, at least I know a real American like you will see through this little sneaky Maoist's propaganda attack and see it for what it really is...an attack on our American way of life! Yours in the Second Amendment, Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- There, now you have caused your LOCAL_FIDOGAWD to view you in a new light. He now thinks you are a dangerous nutball who hoardes sophisticated weaponry. This makes you someone he doesn't want to be around. He responds to the complainer..... ____________________________________________________________________ Date April 21,1995 From: Joe Starsee (LOCAL_FIDOGAWD_CONTROL) To: Tran Bin Hmong (6:687/444) Sub: Michael Johnson's cat echo Sorry Tran, I have to deny your complaint on the grounds that Mike doesn't give a shit. Even worse, he is now very pissed off and we will have to administer Prozac in conjunction with Lithium and pizza to get him to shut the hell up. You really started some crap here and now the guys over on the southeast side of town are threatening to burn down the consulate here and pee on your flag. I would suggest that you just shut up and maybe all of this will blow over without these guys getting out of hand. I am not kidding, one of them greased the floor of a local gay bar last year and it took us FidoNews 12-15 Page: 10 10 Apr 1995 five hours to pry all of the conga-line dancers apart. These guys are crack mess-detail cooks and I wouldn't put anything past them....including deep-frying a cat and mailing it to you....probably with postage due. FIDOGOD_LOCAL Joe Starsee __________________________________________________________________ (continued next chapter) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fantacize if you MUST, but reality is here. by Bob Moravsik I see that our objective editor is only objective from a biased point of view. As long as the issue is one they agree with, objectivity flows abundantly. I'd bet if the 30,000+ nodes were to vote on ECROC vs the childish...mine mine mine mentality, ECROC would win by a landslide of lets say...hmmm there are 700 echos, less then 400 have society's failures as moderator... about 350 to 32,659. Mr. Rice offers his bizzare opinion that a mere threat of legal action (even if justified), cause one to be lined up on the tanks and shot. Saddam would be proud. This is a communication media. Words are the precious pearls that subsidize the system. Once mere words (note I said mere words, so stow the yelling fire in a movie theater mentality) become the basis for puntative measures it would be a sad day. Gentlemen, the Iron Curtain fell down. Next Mr. Schwartz tries to teach us about property rights. Claims moderators own echos. Right from the....uhhhh...comic book ? Policy 4 has no reference to moderators...NOT ONE JURISPRUDENT SYSTEM ON THIS EARTH would recognize any property rights. Then where does this theory come from. I have a good guess. There are people who have not been able to make their mark on society under the current "rules". Hence they fantacize and create new ones. They pontificate these "reserve the right to do anything" sentences and get orgasmic glee out of send netmail warnings. (I just got one from Bruce Bodger, quoting all the rules but not specifying which rule was broken...heck...I could do THAT with a birthday wish) Its irrelavant whether there is "good cause". Its more a therapy to make up for societies' rejection. These types need constant self reinforcement that "they matter". I can set up a simple experiement. Mr. Rice, Mr Schwartz and I route echo FOOBAR. Mr. Schwatz is moderator. He links to Rice; Rice links to me. I break an instantly made rule under the reserve rights nonsense. Mr. Rice crys foul, cuts Schwatz out. OK...if Schwatz really owned this echo, he would have a REMEDY. FidoNews 12-15 Page: 11 10 Apr 1995 He has none. Sooooo what is this "moderator's own echo" theory based on. I claim NOTHING, ZILCH, NADA, ZERO and ZIP. P4 and our jurisprudent systems, reflect society's norms. Not only does Schwatz disagree with ME...he disagrees with society. I Mean...Mr. Schwatz...if you want to pontificate a position at LEAST give us the foundation where this theory orginates. Don't get me wrong. I never said moderators shouldn't be given rights. I merely point out nobody who matters have bestowed any rights on moderators. ECROC is just a balance. Sure, one can make up the senario of a disruptive user as easy as another can make up one of a disruptive moderator. Both should have the same outcome...REMOVAL....AFTER DUE PROCESS. Now, I understand there might be this secret project in the works of developing an echopol. Hopefully those doing the big picture thing, will recognize that a balance must be struck between the relative rights of the 5 interests. Posters, Moderators, Routers, *C's and them other guys/girls that help the *C. Until then..Mr. Schwartz, I reject your ownership claim. Go threaten to sue me and I'll get Mr. Rice after you. Meantime I'll sit back and have a good laugh at both of you along with most of the other Fidonet members. ***end*** (fer now) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- New echo for Respiratory Therapy New Echo devoted to Respiratory Therapy From: Jim Jeffcoat (1:280/99) Hello everyone out there in Fido-land! - Are you a Respiratory Therapist? - Do you know a BBS user who is? - Are you the SysOp of a medical or health-care related BBS? If the answer to any of the above questions is yes, then you need to know about the RCP echo! RCP (Respiratory Care Professionals) is a brand new echo that is devoted to the profession of Respiratory Therapy. With the fast breaking changes in our profession, such as hospital redesign & consolidation of services, patient-focused care, therapist-driven protocols, state legal credentialing, advice on how to study for your boards, and pontentially a myriad of other issues, the need for RT's to communicate with each other to share experiences, exchange ideas, and solve problems is more vital than ever, especially in the realm of electronic communications. "But," you may ask, "isn't the AARC starting an online information network to do just that?" Sure they are! And if you've got the BUCKS, it will be real nice. BUT... consider: their rate is going to be $9.95 per hour of connect time (plus a $9.95 one-time fee for the software, which, incidently, will require at least a 386 PC and FidoNews 12-15 Page: 12 10 Apr 1995 Windows 3.1). And, you have to be a *member* of the AARC in order to get this at all. (Not that I have anything against belonging to the AARC, but the fact remains that that not all respiratory care practitioners are.) The article in the _AARC Times_ boasts that it will have an offline reading feature to "save you money". OK, let's say you're on line with the AARC's service (contracted through SpaceWorks) 3 to 4 minutes a day to download mail and upload replies. That comes to $15 to $20 per month -- probably about what you'd spend in a whole year for FidoNet. And if you spend any significant amount of time online doing article searching, that will add up to even more real fast. By contrast, we all know how cost effective FidoNet is. Almost anyone with a computer and modem can very likely access a FidoNet BBS within their local calling area. And I have seen very few boards that charge more than $20-$30 a year for access. (In fact, in my area believe it or not, there are still FidoNet BBS's that are free!). I rest my case on which is the better deal: FidoNet's RCP echo vs AARC Online. Not to mention that if you aren't an AARC member, use a 286 or older computer, or don't use Windows, their network will not be available to you at all! The RCP echo is now on the North American backbone, so if you're interested, check with your SysOp or NEC for a feed. And you do not necessarily have to be a Respiratory Therapist to participate -- we welcome all health care professionals, plus anyone in general who is interested in the field of Respiratory Care. So come join us! If you need more information, you can contact me via Netmail at 1:280/99, or my E-mail address (see below). Jim Jeffcoat Moderator -- RCP 1:280/99 jim.jeffcoat@howard.interstate.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Donald Tees, Sylvia Maxwell Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar Tom Jennings "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS) more addresses: Rev. 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