F I D O N E W S -- Vol.12 No.16 (17-Apr-1995) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS | | _ | +1-519-570-4176 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | Sheep affairs desk: | | (_| /_) | Doc Logger 1:163/110 | | _`@/_ \ _ | Rev. Richard Visage 1:163/409 | | | | \ \\ | | | | (*) | \ )) | Editors: | | |__U__| / \// | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | _//|| _\ / | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Max -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Tim Pozar -- pozar@kumr.lns.com | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Editorial..................................................... 2 2. Articles...................................................... 2 Subject: Control Freaks..................................... 2 Bellow if you must, but..................................... 3 The Neophyte's Guide to FIDO................................ 4 "SUMMERCON"................................................. 7 PETITION/STATEMENT:SAVE RAMONA.............................. 10 "Who Own's an echo"......................................... 12 The Court Jester Has No Clothes Either...................... 12 Subject: The ECROC Question................................. 13 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 14 FidoNews 12-16 Page: 2 17 Apr 1995 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== How embarrassing. I drove home 200 miles to get the snooze out, lay down on the couch for 10 minutes at 8 o'clock to rest and think of an editorial, and woke up at 12:45. As a result, the news is late for the first time in two years. Sorry, folks ... ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== From: The Terminator (1:2805/1) To: Donald Tees (1:221/192) Subject: Control Freaks Here's a political cartoon for the next issue of FidoSnooze. .------.. _------__--___.__. / \_ / ` ` \ / \ |. \ / \ \ | / .--._ .---. | \ | | / -__- \ | ~-/--`-`-`-\ | | | | | | \ | || || | | | || ,_ _. || Heh heh heh.. | | | || e e || Hey Brucie, | _-- | | || _ |_ || These people are _| =-. |.-. | @| (o\_/o) |@ losers o|/o/ _. | | _____ | / ~ \ | \ ( /uuuuu\ ) / (/___@) ___~ | \ `=====' / Heh huh |_===~~~.` | \ -___- / Fer sur... _______.--~ | | | John-Boy \________ | /-_____-\ \ | / \ __/-___-- -__ / \ / __\ /__| Truckstop |__\ -| Southern || | | || BBS || | || Star || | | || || | || || | | || || | / | / / FidoNews 12-16 Page: 3 17 Apr 1995 Bellow if you must, but... Bellow if you must, but... by guess who 2606/583 I read last weeks Fidonews with great interest to see who was going to pontificate all these new theories. If we all paid attention Mr. Murray had two pearls which convinced me the world he lives in is different. No Mr. Murray, no one "appoints" moderators. If your whole "as you see it" is based on this. Well I hate to tip over your canoe but moderators ain't appointed. If you think so....who does the appointing ? Ending your article you did have an interesting ditty. You would be against any new Fidonet rule or policy restricting the powers of moderators. How about starting at the basics. Having a rule or policy which even mentioned them !!! Mr. Lemmer says moderators should cut links on a whim. Then goes on to state a theory about rules. If a moderator would have this almighty power...echos wouldn't need no steenkin rules. Any system without checks and balances is bad. OK...read ECROC..it sets the balance..its voluntary..if anyone has another version, by all means adopt it. After all, it is YOUR areas.bbs. ECHOMAIL ROUTING CODE v 1.05 1. Preface: This is a voluntary code which a router of echomail may adopt to insure that echomail links, routing and procedures are consistent. Conferences are operated and routed for the benefit of the participants. They are generally topic oriented and the topic is an expansion of the AREA: tag. The routing of echomail is subject to policy 4 of Fidonet as if the messages are NETMAIL. The AREA tag does not change that. 2. Coordination: All coordination of traffic in a NET is under the supervision of the NC. To fulfill these responsibilities he may delegate all responsibilities except the resolution of disputes to any node or group of nodes. They may function as conference coordinators echomail coordinators or any title the NC determines to assign. 3. Routing: Any node may agree with any other node to accept or provide netmail messages, which are further identified by AREA tags. If a node has more then one address in a routing file (generically known as an areas.bbs file) then he is functioning in the capacity of a router. FidoNews 12-16 Page: 4 17 Apr 1995 4. Links: A router should realize that there can be many links which develop in reliance on their voluntary effort. Likewise there may be instances where a person requests that you should modify your .bbs file to add or remove a link. a. Adding a link: you can either comply with this or refer the person to the NC of your net. Generally the criteria for adding a link can include: economics, prevention of duplicate loops, requests by nodes who are within a toll free call. Adding a link is done at you sole discretion. b. Deleting a link: If you are requested to delete a link, you should ask that some explanation is given: 1. If the person is a conference moderator, look in the latest issue of the ELIST available at 1/201. If the person is the Elisted moderator (or alternate moderator), request the conference rules, any messages that break them and at least proof that two netmail warning were given. 2. If the person is OTHER then the Elisted Moderator or co- moderator, refer them to your NC. Quite often a request to cut a link is done in the heat of a strong debate. You as a router serve to "time" the parties out for a cooling off period. You are well within your right to refuse to cut a link UNLESS the linked node has been excommunicated. Since links are done by two party agreement and since there does not exist a ratified echomail policy, this code should serve as a balance until there is one. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Neophyte's Guide to FIDO By Red E. Mailscan Chapter One - Part Two ______________________ (continued from part one) Most people would think that old Joe Starsee's denial of the complaint would be enough to satisfy the complainer and put the whole thing to rest. ...not quite. Mr. Tran Bin Hmong has decided to take the offense upward and onward as the immortal PeeFour dictates he must if he is to achieve ultimate satisfaction. The escalation also serves a second purpose...something as FIDO as scrambled message packets that are three weeks late...the opportunity to stir up a little crap and up the median sysop blood-pressure of the net as a whole. Yes, even in his most communistic heart there lies FidoNews 12-16 Page: 5 17 Apr 1995 dormant the very lifeblood of Fight-O-Net...........the disgruntled sysop. He hardly even realizes the common thread that bonds ALL fidonet people together...the right to argue endlessly about pointless subjects. Even in his culture, the mere attachment of a modem to a phoneline with echos available has transformed him into a whining, unhappy, stimulus-starved disgruntled sysop.......and they say this echo stuff isn't great. So, being the typical disgruntled (are any of us truly gruntled sysops?) sysop, Mr. Hmong fires off his reply..... Date April 22, 1995 From: Tran Bin Hmong (6:687/444) To: Joe Starsee FIDOGAWD_LOCAL_CONTROL Sub: Complaint against CAT_TORTURE echo and moderator You message is unacceptable. We have no recourse but to file with your superior officer to stop the terrible abuse to cats being commited. We beat you Yankee one time and we can do again. I file complaint against you and Mr. Johnson and will go to highest level to see justice is served. You will not escape law even in computer network, you Americans are pig-dogs and I spit on your ancestor's undershorts. You will understand ferocity of oriental wrath when full complaint is filed and you must cower before International Coordinator to beg for mercy before you throw in prison, upstart capitalist donkey butt-poo. I hope to see message where you ask for my forgiveness, you stupid cur-dog. --------------------------------------------------------------- This is excellent. The complainer is now in net-nirvana as he struts in rightous indignation. He is shitting a brick and everyone is getting a whif of the stink. Major excellent. Joe is now getting tired of the renewed conflict between the Viets and Americans and is actually overjoyed to see the whole thing pushed off on some guy stupid enough to take an office higher than his in the net. Joe replies with a certain measure of relief........ _______________________________________________________________________ Date April 29, 1995 From: Joe Starsee FIDOGAWD_LOCAL_CONTROL To: Tran Bin Hmong (6:687/444) Sub: Your message....... FidoNews 12-16 Page: 6 17 Apr 1995 TBH> You message is unacceptable. We have no recourse but to file with your Look, maybe you should think of just writing Mike and initiating some sort of dialogue that will settle this problem you guys have. TBH>superior officer to stop the terrible abuse to cats being commited. I don't see where a cat is worth all of this trouble. I mean they are just cats and they are not even your cats, for crying out loud. Maybe you should just try to take some deep breaths, Tran. TBH>We beat you Yankee one time and we can do again. I file complaint against TBH>you and Mr. Johnson and will go to highest level to see justice is served. You won't get far with rhetoric like that, Tran. TBH>will not escape law even in computer network, you Americans are pig-dogs TBH>and I spit on your ancestor's undershorts. Tran, I have to tell you that such talk will cause a number of the American sysops to want to take you to task. Chill out, guy. We restored diplomatic relationships just last year...the war is over. TBH> You will understand ferocity of oriental wrath when full complaint is TBH>filed and you must cower before International Coordinator to beg for mercy TBH>before you throw in prison, upstart capitalist donkey butt-poo. TBH>I hope to see message where you ask for my forgiveness, you stupid TBH>cur-dog. Well, I can at least say that I did try to get you to settle down and deal with this situation. If you feel that going "over my head" is what you want to do...then by all means, have at it. Joe -------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, the complainer and his complaints are now part of the etherous void that we all know as (Twilight Zone sounds) the Fidogawd's Inbound. Here, it will be buried under stale old packets waiting to be scrambled at random and sent out, re-addressed GMD messages doing the dupe-loop shuffle, ancient and unused PWAD files for Doom and other netmail from concerned Fidonetters that are also being ignored. After a proper length of time, it will be deleted by one of the 200 utilities the Fidogawd runs out of his batch FidoNews 12-16 Page: 7 17 Apr 1995 file and all will be forgotten. --------------------------------------------------------------------- End Chapter One Next Chapter: CyberWeasels Rip My Flesh! (The Debate Areas) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "SUMMERCON" Phrack Magazine and Computer Security Technologies proudly present: The 1995 Summer Security Conference SSSS U U M M M M EEEEE RRRR CCCC OOOO N N S U U MM MM MM MM E R R C O O NN N SSS U U M M M M M M M M EEE RRRR C O O N N N S U U M M M M M M E R R C O O N NN SSSS UUUU M M M M EEEEE R R CCCC OOOO N N "SUMMERCON" June 2-4 1995 @ the Downtown Clarion Hotel in Atlanta, Georgia This is the official announcement and open invitation to the 1995 incarnation of Summercon. In the past, Summercon was an invite-only hacker gathering held annually in St. Louis, Missouri. Starting with this incarnation, Summercon is open to any and all interested parties: Hackers, Phreaks, Pirates, Virus Writers, System Administrators, Law Enforcement Officials, Neo-Hippies, Secret Agents, Teachers, Disgruntled Employees, Telco Flunkies, Journalists, New Yorkers, Programmers, Conspiracy Nuts, Musicians and Nudists. LOCATION: The Clarion Hotel is located in downtown Atlanta, 9 miles from Hartsfield International Airport and just a few blocks from the Peachtree Center MARTA Station. Considering the exorbitant expenses involved with attending other conferences of this type, Rooms at Summercon are reduced to $65 per night for Single or Double Occupancy The Clarion Hotel Downtown, Courtland at 70 Houston St., NE, Atlanta, GA 30303 (404) 659-2660 or (800) 241-3828 (404) 524-5390 (fax) No one likes to pay a hundred dollars a night. We don't expect you to have to. Spend your money on room service, drinks in the hotel bar, or on k-rad hacker t-shirts. Remember: Mention that you are attending Summercon in order to receive the discount. FidoNews 12-16 Page: 8 17 Apr 1995 DIRECTIONS 75/85 Southbound - Exit 97 (Courtland). Go 3 blocks south on Courtland then turn left on Houston (John Wesley Dobbs Ave.) 20 East - Exit 75/85 North at International. Turn Left on Courtland at Houston Ave. NE. (aka. John Wesley Dobbs Ave. NE.) 20 West - Exit 75/85 North at International. One block to Courtland and right at Houston Ave. NE. (John Wesley Dobbs Ave. NE.) Atlanta Airport Shuttle - The Express Bus that leaves from Atlanta's International Airport will drop you off at many hotels in the downtown area, including the Clarion. The shuttle should be no more than 12 dollars. Fares may be paid at the Airport Shuttle in the Ground Transportation area of the Airport Terminal. MARTA - The Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA), is a convenient and inexpensive way to negotiate most of the Atlanta area. Take the MARTA train from the Airport to the Peach Tree Center Station. Walk three blocks down Houston to the intersection of Houston and Courtland. The MARTA fare will be roughly 2 dollars. Taxis - The average cab fare from Atlanta's Airport to the downtown area is roughly 30 dollars. CONFERENCE INFO It has always been our contention that cons are for socializing. "Seekret Hacker InPh0" is never really discussed except in private circles, so the only way anyone is going to get any is to meet new people and take the initiative to start interesting conversations. Because of this, the formal speaking portion of Summercon will be held on one day, not two or three, leaving plenty of time for people to explore the city, compare hacking techniques, or go trashing and clubbing with their heretofore unseen online companions. The "Conference" will be held on June 3rd from roughly 11:00 am until 6:00 pm with a 1 hour lunch break from 1:00 to 2:00. NO VIDEO TAPING WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM. Audio Taping and still photography will be permitted. CURRENT LIST OF SPEAKERS: Robert Steele - Ex-Intelligence Agent, Founder and CEO of Open Source Solutions (a private sector intelligence firm) Topic: Hackers from the Intelligence Perspective Winn Schwartau - Author of "Information Warfare" and "Terminal Compromise", Publisher of Security Insider Report, and noted security expert Topic: Electromagnetic Weaponry FidoNews 12-16 Page: 9 17 Apr 1995 Bob Stratton - Information Security Expert from one of America's largest Internet service providers Topic: The Future of TCP/IP Security Eric Hughes - Cryptography Expert and founding member of the "Cypherpunks" Topic: Cryptography, Banking, and Commerce Annaliza Savage - London-based Director/Producer Topic: Discussion of her documentary "Unauthorized Access" (Followed by a public screening of the film) Chris Goggans - Editor of Phrack Magazine and Summercon M.C. Topic: introductions, incidentals and a topic which is sure to culminate in an international incident. (Other Speakers May Be Added - Interested parties may contact scon@fc.net) COSTS Since other cons of this type have been charging from 25 to 40 dollars entry fees, we are only charging 10 dollars. Yes, that's correct, TEN (10) dollars in US currency. Money is far too scarce among the hacker community to fleece everyone for money they will probably need to eat with or pay for their hotel rooms. WHAT TO DO IN ATLANTA: To attempt to make everyone's stay in Atlanta more exciting, we are contacting local establishments to arrange for special discounts and/or price reductions for Summercon attendees. Information will be handed out regarding these arrangements at the conference. Atlanta is a happening town. Touristy Stuff Party Time The World of Coca-Cola Buckhead Underground Atlanta The Gold Club Georgia Dome (Baseball?) (Countless Other Clubs and Bars) Six Flags CONTACTING SUMMERCON SPONSORS You can contact the Summercon sponsors by several means: E-mail: scon@fc.net WWW: http://www.fc.net/scon.html Snail Mail: Phrack Magazine FidoNews 12-16 Page: 10 17 Apr 1995 603 W. 13th #1A-278 Austin, TX 78701 If deemed severely urgent, you can PGP your email with the following PGP key: - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAizMHvgAAAEEAJuIW5snS6e567/34+nkSA9cn2BHFIJLfBm3m0EYHFLB0wEP Y/CIJ5NfcP00R+7AteFgFIhu9NrKNJtrq0ZMAOmiqUWkSzSRLpwecFso8QvBB+yk Dk9BF57GftqM5zesJHqO9hjUlVlnRqYFT49vcMFTvT7krR9Gj6R4oxgb1CldAAUR tBRwaHJhY2tAd2VsbC5zZi5jYS51cw== =evjv - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- See you in Atlanta! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PETITION/STATEMENT:SAVE RAMONA From: National Commission for Democracy in Mexico PUBLIC COMMUNIQUE: PROMOTE, RETRANSMIT, PUBLICIZE AND RESEND IT NOTICE REGARDING THE CAMPAIGN FOR RAMONA The campaign for the life of Ramona that groups of women are pushing has had such a favorable response that today we find ourselves backed by national and international organizations and by thousands of men and women citizens. Ramona is gravely ill and her illness is curable. For this reason the campaign is dedicated to obtain the necessary conditions to allow her to travel to Mexico City to receive specialized medical attention, which does not exist in the state of Chiapas. Comandante Ramona, in addition to being a model of of the dignity of women, represents the thousands of indigenous people who die every day from curable diseases because they are unable to get medical attention. The Mexican government should make the commitment and authorize athe necessary guarantees to ensure the personal safety of Comandante Ramona without condition, so that she can receive medical attention in Mexico City or outside of the country. NATIONAL CONVENTION OF WOMEN- CND Operator: Jossie ******************************************************* NATIONAL COVENTION OF WOMEN-NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION **************************************** FidoNews 12-16 Page: 11 17 Apr 1995 FOR A PEACE WITH JUSTICE AND DIGNITY FAX 5 90 20 21 Address: Convencion Nacional de Mujeres Xola 181-3 piso,Col. Alamos, C.P. 03400 Mexico D.F. ********** PUBLIC COMMUNIQUE: PROMOTE, RETRANSMIT, PUBLICIZE AND RESEND IT CAMPAIGN TO COLLECT SIGNATURES TO SAVE THE LIFE OF RAMONA The following is a call to support the respect of the life of Comandante Ramona and to demand that the government give the guarantees for her eventual transport to Mexico City or to outside the country to receive medical treatment. Reproduce it, translate it, sign it, circulate it and sent it to the Convencion Nacional de Mujeres, in Mexico City. ************************************************** PETITION IN DEMAND OF RAMONA'S LIFE We, national and international organizations, men and women of the world, hereby unite our voices in order to demand with full guarantees for her personal security, the immediate transport of Comandante Ramona of the CCRI-CG of the EZLN so that she may receive whatever medical attention she may need. The Mexican government, following the standards established in the Geneva Convention, should guarantee safe transport so that she may receive treatment and have ample time for recuperation. We know that this petition complies with international law, and we will do our all to defend the right to life and the physical integrity of Comandante Ramona. NAME/ORGANIZATION CITY COUNTRY Reproduce and distribute this petition in order to collect the greatest number of signatures possible: The completed petitions should be sent to: FAX 5 90 20 21 CNM-CND 5 84 81 30 Diputada Federal Convencionista Rosario Ibarra de Piedra BY CERTIFIED MAIL: Convencion Nacional de Mujeres Xola 181-3, col. Alamos Mexico, D.F., C.P. 03400 Mexico FidoNews 12-16 Page: 12 17 Apr 1995 This is a response to a response of the Fidonews article on "Who Own's an echo" You my friend are a fool. You do not realize that the problems a moderator has stem from the software on which they use. Since some sort of Parable seems to be required of every rambling Fidonews article I will respond with one. Karl Marx's view of the political and social systems of the world. He said that they all were but a house built on a foundation. That foundation is the economic system of a country. The economic system is what decides the customs and political structure of a country. Only by ripping out the ability of a system to post a message on a "moderated" group without the moderator first approving it will all this controversy end. Fidonet has too many moderators. -- -- Uucp: ..!uunet!bunker!hcap!hnews!515!Paul.Cuni Internet: Paul.Cuni@f515.n141.z1.fidonet.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Court Jester Has No Clothes Either From: Fredric Rice (1:102/890) Bob Moravsik, in FidoNews C13 says: I see that our objective editor is only objective from a biased point of view. As long as the issue is one they agree with, objectivity flows abundantly. I would suggest that someone inform Bob that our beloved editors are neither paid to be objective nor are they asked to be. If you want an objective editor, Bob, might I suggest that you start your own e-magazine? Then you can play Lou Grant to your heart's content. The merit of Bob's suggestion of implimenting Draconian legal measures into FidoNet echos can be negated entirely by his inability to successfully defend his position as evidenced by his need to launch personal attacks against the bringers of the hurtful truth: Mr. Rice offers his bizzare opinion that a mere threat of legal action (even if justified), cause one to be lined up on the tanks and shot. Saddam would be proud. If one can work through the holes in the sentence, one can see that Bob _lied_, folks. The record is clear: I never advocated the execution of those who threaten legal action against anyone. Anyone may merely read the FidoNews article I wrote and see that Bob is 'sadly mistaken.' The need to lie and equate those with the audacity to speak the FidoNews 12-16 Page: 13 17 Apr 1995 hurtful truth to mass murdering despots shows that one can't even defending one's own position rationally. As if often said, when the opposistion likens you to Hitler, you win the argument. He further complains that 'mere words' uttered by hot-heads are meaningless and that there is no need to punish anyone for what they threaten to do. What Bob has elected not to comment upon is the fact that I, like many others in the public eye, take such threats seriously. When someone threatens legal action, I fax the threat to my layer immediatly -- it is irresponsible and dangerous not to. This wasn't needed decades ago yet in todays society, such self- protective measures are needed. The need to protect oneself against hurrassment suits and claims of suits has been growing in leaps and bounds and there is no indication that the trend is going to slow or reverse itself. FidoNet already has its share of liticious individuals. In my most humble opinion, they should be ejected at the first threat they utter. Bob, you seem to be saying that you don't mind if any number of people threaten SysOps with law suits just because they don't like the Moderator, the rules of an Echo, or the fact that they lost an argument. Open a window, Bob, and look outside. You'll see that it's America, not the Land of Oz. Lastly, he must contrive fantasy to try to convince himself that his position is needed. He doesn't have a real-world case to draw upon so he builds a mental construct: I can set up a simple experiement. Mr. Rice, Mr Schwartz and I route echo FOOBAR. Mr. Schwatz is moderator. He links to Rice; Rice links to me. I break an instantly made rule under the reserve rights nonsense. Mr. Rice crys foul, cuts Schwatz out. Mr. Rice would never complain; the rules are enforced by the Moderator, Bob, and dispensation of the individuals who break the rules are the responsibility of the Moderator, not its users or distributors. Didn't you know that? Your position is nonsense, Bob. Shut up, sit down, and ride the bus with the rest of us. Fredric L. Rice 1:102/890 (818) 335-9601 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: The ECROC Question From: Frank Perricone (1:325/611) Here's a very short article about the ECROC question for the Snooze. FidoNews 12-16 Page: 14 17 Apr 1995 The ECROC Question Recent articles about ECROC have begun to go back and forth on the never- ending question about what Policy4, or any other already-existing, official statement says about moderators and who owns an echo. The authors are missing the point. The question isn't what the policy was IN THE PAST because there wasn't one, and even if there was, maybe it was wrong. The only issue is what the policy should be IN THE FUTURE. What matters is not how we came to be here, but where we want to go next. Let's focus on that question and the whole debate, both sides of which have valid points, will be that much easier on these tired eyes. It seems to me, BTW, that the two key points behind ECROC are things that haven't even been brought up yet: how can you "prove" anything happened with a medium as easily forged as ASCII? And now that the majority of North American systems get echos from Planet Connect, directly or indirectly, without a clear policy about echo removals, all the *Cs and *ECs in the world can't make a dent in the power of Boyd Goodin. Let's talk about these, shall we? Frank J. Perricone, 1:325/611 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Donald Tees, Sylvia Maxwell Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar Tom Jennings "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS) more addresses: Rev. Richard Visage -- 1:163/409 Don -- 1:221/192, don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Sylvia -- 1:221/194, max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews 128 Church St. Kitchener, Ontario FidoNews 12-16 Page: 15 17 Apr 1995 Canada N2H 2S4 voice: (519) 570-3137 Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. 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"the pulse of the cursor is the heartbeat of fidonet"... -- END ----------------------------------------------------------------------