F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 9 2 March 1998
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Whew! This *is* long!
Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 3
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 12
IP FidoNet in Region 33 .................................. 12
A Summation .............................................. 13
4. TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET .................................. 17
The "Larry (Larry-bud) Jaster" story ..................... 17
5. COORDINATORS CORNER ...................................... 26
Z1EC Election Results .................................... 26
Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 058 ...... 68
6. NOTICES .................................................. 69
Future History ........................................... 69
7. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ...................................... 70
FidoNews PGP public-key listing .......................... 70
8. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 71
9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 73
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EDITORIAL
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Most people presume that an editor has enough knowledge of the reader
base out there to present an insightful and 'pleasing-to-the-eye'
style of publication.
Then there is the case of one sysop and hub operator who insists that
unless the *full* 87K of the Zone 1 EchoMail Coordinator election
results are not posted, some sort of collusion is going on. So, to
satisfy his quest for information and his insistence, it is now here.
To those of you in the *OTHER* Zones, I apologize, but since John has
decided to personally direct editorial policy in the FidoNews, feel
free to assess his efforts in editorial control to John Souvestre at
1:396/1 , or at his E-Mail address of john@sstar.com.
To all Zone 1 sysops: The election protest period will be over and
done on March 8, 1998.
Several more relevant and important points...
I'm having problems with some of the messages being sent to me...are
these for _me_, or for "The FidoNews Editor"? Since these all of
these appear to be for FidoNews or gave permission to be published,
I have...but please be more careful in sending me things via NetMail
or E-Mail. If it is for the next FidoNews, please indicate that by
sending it to "FidoNews Editor". I'll see it...<g>
Also, with an aside to some at the Zone level, your nodelist is very
much out of date. This is currently NODELIST.058, not NODELIST.044.
On another point, and to all who would submit articles for FidoNews
publication, I refer you to the file (MagicFileName ARTSPEC) called
ARTSPEC.DOC. It is also available for view or download at my own
Web Site at http://209.77.228.66/fidonews (look for the link). An
updated copy has been hatched out as well.
I'll point out now that if I have to hand-edit a message to fit
the 70-character line limit, I will include the standard newspaper
tear line of "### 30 ###" to indicate the article was modified by
myself to fit. As always, we'll print what you send 'as-is' in all
instances, though we may send it back to you for 'clean-up'. See the
ARTSPEC.DOC for details.
There is a complaint in one echo that NECs in some networks are
claiming the 'power' to decide from who and when a sysop can get an
EchoMail feed, and no changes can be made without the NEC granting
permission. Perhaps this is a misinterpretation of a local "no
dupes" policy; perhaps it is something worse. Anyone know of this
situation?
Also noted is that Net 163 has upped the ante on the pending Policy
Complaint by picking up nodes in several nations and Zones, as well
as one totally non-existant phone number for a node. There doesn't
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seem to be an "867" area code or country code...anyone know of one?
Anyone know if the node in Malaysia listed in Net 163 is still active
and operating?
To that extent, and with some modification needed to fit it in, some
one in Region 33 sent a copy of the R33 IP Nodelist, one of the new
'supplemental' nodelists to meet the needs of a FidoNet growing in a
new direction, but without the benefit or support of either Policy or
FidoNet itself.
One point coming out of the FIDONEWS echo...there seems to be a
consensus developing over the inclusion of the "page breaks" in the
general publication of FidoNews...are these being used by anyone out
there? Or is there a predominance to find a way to dump them? Your
comments on this are solicited.
Another point of concern is the various 'national' or 'regional'
versions of the FidoNews out there. I've run across several, and
would ask that the editors of these send me the URL for each, and
the Region that they are published for inclusion in the InterNet
section of the FidoNews.
I also invite the editors of each one to contact me so that we can
come up with a way to set up translations. Granted, Policy indicates
that English is the "common tongue" in FidoNet, but Policy also
encourages the free translation of FidoNet documents into other
languages as well.
It would be nice to have a roster for those who wish to see the
Snooze in all the languages it is available in, no?
Next to last...we get lots of mail...analysis of the Z1EC election
and a lesson on statistical analysis to boot; responses to prior
news; a comment or two on the new FidoNews; and more.
And, lastly...articles, articles, articles. Send them in. From
anywhere, on any thing, by anyone. Just use the ARTSPEC instructions
to make sure that the publication software doesn't choke. Shoot, we
even do guest editorials...
-zf-
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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>from Matt McCarthy, 1:396/1.4
Hi Zorch.
RE: FIDOECHOPOL, my thoughts.
Since my NAB_POLICY is still getting linked I threw out the following
'off-topic' post to possibly stir interest, but see that the topic is
better suited to FIDOECHOPOL where I've not requested write access.
If you consider this 'annoying', please let me know.
If I can be of any assistance to you for FIDONEWS, please let me know
also.
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008/010 24 Feb 98 10:32:42
From: Matt Mc_Carthy
To: Dale Shipp
Subj: Moderators Status
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In a message of <23 Feb 98 13:13:08>, Dale Shipp (1:261/1466) writes:
So long as the rules have not been posted, this should be fair game:
Copied from FIDOECHOPOL:
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020/021 23 Feb 98 01:58:14
From: Dale Shipp
To: Steven Horn
Subj: Re: Moderators and what
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<<talking about requiring moderators to be sysops on the nodelist>>
SH>Why would their being able to do their job more effectively
SH>be against their best interests? They already have to have
SH>access to their echo and be able to receive and send
SH>netmail so is much more being asked?
DS>Being on the nodelist would have almost no effect on a moderator
DS>being able to do their job. Moderators are concerned with the
DS>content of their echos. Sysops are concerned with moving mail
DS>(and providing a BBS for users in many cases). Each job is
DS>vital -- but one person does not have to do it all.
DS>The only effect of a rule requiring moderators to be on the
DS>nodelist would be to eliminate many good moderators. Nothing
DS> would be gained.
Well, we'd gain the right to vote, for whatever that's worth.
Next reply from John Glinski:
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JG>which is that there maybe numerous moderators that will not wish
JG>to comply with a nodelisted membership requirement to retain
JG>their moderator status in Fido. They know that makes them
JG>directly answerable to P4, a freedom which right now they enjoy
JG>and probably will not wish to forfeit.
John G's reply makes no sense. He would have the moderators become
nodes just to be nodelisted? To what end? The resultant 'node'
would certainly be subject to P4, but NOT the moderator. The word
"moderator" is not to be found in P4, period.
What John G. wants to propose is that 'all cars _must_ have trailers
attached to them because we have rules for towing trailers, but
nothing for cars'.
Just some ideas for your FIDOECHOPOL discussion. I've not requested
'write' permission, and would rather not at this time. Too much to
do here if we can get enough interest.
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As much as I hate to admit it, Bob M. is correct, but for the wrong
reasons (if he's lurking, _that_ should wake him). :-)
We _don't_ own our echoes, and in fact, there is _no_ policy anywhere
that even gives us the authority to make our own rules for 'our'
echoes, nor to authorize us to insist that users follow the rules.
P4 makes 'enough' reference to "echomail" to cover that subject for
the time being, but often refers to "echomail" as something that
should be scraped from our shoes should we step in it. Heaven forbid
if a node sends echomail during ZMH, and if a node gets too much
"echomail" he can be restricted to 20 messages per day. P4 is in
_SERIOUS_ need of a re-write! Times have changed! 1989, sheesh!
Small wonder so many nodes are leaving.
What we _DO_ need is a FIDONET 'moderator' policy. Something like:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Echomail"
----------
Echomail is the term used within FidoNet to refer to electronic
"Conference Mail" messages that, while possibly containing
the name of a particular individual in the "To:" field, are
copied and distributed to multiple (possibly several hundred)
destination systems. Echomail messages are segregated into
"Conferences" based upon the topic being discussed. Echomail
message content is usually restricted to the topic(s) for which
the particular conference was created. The originators of each
of those "Conferences", as well as their designees and successors
are called "Moderators", and during their stewardship of their res-
pective "Conferences" are empowered to establish and enforce rules
of conduct and topicality to which users are enjoined to adhere.
Moderators are responsible for insuring the topicality and decorum
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of their respective "Conferences" in consonance with their
published rules. To accomplish this responsibility, a moderator
may request that a user absent himself from the "Conference". When
a user in that category fails to comply, the moderator may request
the assistance of that user's SysOp, node, or hub, whichever is the
lowest appropriate level, to effect the absence of that user from
the "Conference".
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Wording from "Echomail is..." down to "The originators..." was
extracted verbatim from the FIDONET document GATEWAY.POL. Feel free
to use this any way you wish!
Good luck... M.
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There is nothing 'private' in this message Zorch, feel free to use
its content any way you wish.
Thanks, M.
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>From Deb Milner, 1:112/285
It was with interest that I read Wulf Kreuger's article
in a recent edition of FidoNews regarding the filtering/censorship
that took place in Zone 2, after all, it's not the first time
this type of thing has happened.
Since last year, when a private CRP hub in Net 112
did the exact same thing to other sysops, ie: filtering and
removing all echomail messages to/from individuals
that particular hub operator had a dislilke for, I have been
warning that unless some type of action is taken to prevent
hubs from filtering indiscriminately, that it would happen again.
It did. Both here in Net 112, by the same CRP, and now I read
that it also happened in Zone 2, by Fidonet "officials", no less.
Folks, if we allow it to continue, anyone, anywhere is going to
start filtering/censoring echomail based on their personal dislike
of others. Think about what this will mean to the integrity of the
echomail areas you are receiving and reading, or even the mail
you are sending.
Echopol is a hotly debated subject, but an echopol could stop it.
If not an echopol, we need to do something.
What say you?
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> From Alan Rackmill, 1:107/101
+ Forwarded (from: Z1_ELECTION) by Alan Rackmill
using timEd/2 1.01.
+ Originally from Alan Rackmill (1:107/101)
+ Originally to John Souvestre (1:396/1)
+ Original dated: Feb 28 '98, 13:45
Zorch, you can publish this in the Snooze if you want.
Alan
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John Souvestre wrote in a message to Alan Rackmill:
JS> Hello Alan.
JS> Case in point: You released this week's issue at 18:00 PT?
JS> It didn't get here till 05:00, 11 hours later.
AR> And that means that fidonet is going to fall apart because of
AR> that time difference?
JS> No, it just worries people when they can get the latest game
JS> from the other side of the world in 6 hours but it takes 18
JS> to get FidoNews. :-)
So what?
The internet and fidonet are totally different things.
They do things in a different way.
If you NEED to have the Snooze that fast, then you oughta get a
better life.
This is a hobby John, although I know you make some money off it.
Or maybe you don't.
There are many other things that are more important than whether it
takes 6 hours or 18 hours to get out.
At this point in time, fidonet is the absolutely last thing in order
of importance to me.
Why should I worry about when Fidonews arrives when I had thyroid
surgery to remove a malignant tumor, scheduled for 2/6/98 cancelled,
because I had a stroke on 2/4/98.
And now that the effects of the stroke are almost gone, and I am
back to normal there, my kidneys are failing so that I will probably
be going on dialysis very shortly.
And that doesn't even get into my chronic Congestive Heart Failure,
Coronary Artery Disease, High Blood Pressure, Arthritis and Gout.
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All of which are acting up.
So, do you really thing I should get upset because it takes a little
longer for the Snooze, or anything else, for that matter, to get to
my system?
No chance.
But that doesn't mean that I am just going to sit by while you try
to screw everything up because you can't control it, you can think
again.
It is about time you stepped back and stopped trying to take over
everything, and trying to destroy what you can't control and get
back to what this hobby is all about: Communicating with the other
sysops and HELPING them when they need help.
Alan
Team OS/2,
Fidonet 1:107/101, ibmNET 40:4371/101, OS2NET 80:135/15
internet: alanrackmill@mindspring.com
___ timEd/2 1.01
- Origin: The Maven's Roost * MAX/2 * WARP * v.34 1-908-821-4533
(1:107/101)
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An open comment to first, Bob Satti and then, all. It's from someone
who genuinely cares about FidoNet, has the ability to operate within
its scheme of things and, I think, has helped draw out a proper
viewpoint from some of those who do care, in a proper way.
Specifically, my congratulations to Bob Kohl..
He has demonstrated an interesting perspective
in the dynamics of FidoNet opinion gathering...
as have I by losing in the way I did.
Now lets's examine that.... chuckle...........
This has nothing to do about my losing or Bob winning. Please do
*NOT* make the mistake of thinking this is sour grapes. Winning or
losing is frankly not that important to me; FidoNet is.
To those who voted for me, *THANK YOU VERY MUCH*. I had been
wondering about what to do about spending time on Fido in the future.
For anyone not known in Zone-wide circles to have done this well
tells me there is a place for what we stand for. We should march
forward. :)
First, a *HUGE* vote of confidence and thanks to EC Martin Belcke for
doing one of the most important jobs in Fido's history and doing it
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 8 2 Mar 1998
very well. I respect work. I admire good work. Martin's work was
good work. Thanks also to Lisa Gronke. Yes, folks, she did a fine
job.
From here on, this is all about, "What if?" It is administrative
analysis of what we must do to keep FidoNet as alive and well as can
be expected, under the circumstances. I think I speak for all who
supported me; I hope so. Skip the details of a vote not counted or a
percentage point not rounded. This is about the big picture,
including the small stuff.
In this ballot process format I counted a published 314 votes:
25% or 78 - voters - cooperated with full vote choice slates.
44% or 139 - voters - refused to use it, voting a single vote.
No, I'm not in favor of holding elections like P4 suggests, with a
simple majority of those bothering to vote in a single round settling
matters on big issues. As a "suggested" P4 format election, the
"winner" would have had a 45 vote first round "win." That vote
method would have said nothing that *MOST* of the few willing to help
guide Fido are *NOT* happy with the way things are. This is not a
minor issue; it is a biggee. It's critical to address this group for
Fido to live. For FidoNet to survive, we must learn better how to
upgrade the appointment game to walk a finer line between appointment
and elections to best determine where that line is.
Yes, FidoNet is not a democracy. I'm comfortable about that as a
FidoNet member, NC and proponent. Yet, this election was so
important because it was the best sounding board we have had for
determining how to define that line, properly used. This election
was crucial in a far greater sense, because the *FORMAT* of the
election, preferential balloting, gave us a chance to really learn
something about Fido and what may be really wrong.
However, this *SPECIFIC* form of a preferential ballot may not be
what is needed to save FidoNet. This preferential ballot format was,
I think, an error. By counting partial ballot votes not carried to
the full depth, we will never know what the MAJORITY really wanted.
Refusing to fill it out completely, said, "I'm out of here", then
silence. We can't afford that. More than half the voters didn't
want it. They said so. Forced on them, although they cared and made
an effort to get something done for the real majority wish in
FidoNet, their real wants have, again, been stripped from them. This
has nothing to do with who won or lost. We *ALL* lost:
1.) Only 78 or 24% of the total 314 voters were damned well firm
about what they wanted from the start. Only this one-fourth
of the voters bothered to vote a whole rank of candidates.
On first round stats, as a "P4 compliant" election, (Just
guidelines!), that would have produced a firm 45 vote
"margin" for the "winner." Done that way, the simple
majority of votes cast, I hold, would do a really bad job of
producing any true view of the electorate. This election
proved that, I think.
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2.) In this "ending", the "winner" had a 30 vote "margin", but
won nothing. Run this way, 139+109=248 or 79% of the voters
'fixed' their opinion at the end. However, that's not the
real story! The full 139 voters who wouldn't use the ballot
format never really "voted." The "results" of the election
merely indicate almost *HALF* of the entire crew just gave up
messing with it.
3.) In my opinion, the total vote *DECLINED* from what it *COULD*
have been, because of the ballot format! That's sad. These
were people from which we badly needed to hear views.
The worst part about preferential voting was also very beautifully
shown here! Two top candidates together produced total first round
results of 72+117=189 votes, more than the required 159 to win on the
first round. The second and third place 72+54=126 votes were not
enough to win. A run-off would have been between the top two
candidates. In a conventional election, a waning candidate often
declares support for someone else, if they wish, at run-off time.
I believe this markedly alters elections. Thus a preferential
ballot, in general, stole that opportunity away from FidoNet at a
time when we most decidedly need to know the real best answer
from our members. I believe people often change their vote, at
times, completely, after further discussion and round one, yielding
a greater worth to an election, more accurately measuring desires of
the people. This election didn't yield that, in my opinion; it
prevented it.
Secondly, preferential balloting makes it more difficult to bring in
the fold of lesser candidates for the common good, following an
election. I have come to understand, of elections, long before this
one, this is a necessary part of the political "healing" process
required to forge future alliances for good, those that move polity
out of the "graveyard" so the skeletons can be bleached in the sun
and we can move forward.
In politics, as in much of life, psychologically, we are still
"hedonistic calculators." We make decisions as human beings, very
much on the basis of our personal integral calculus. This hurts so
much we either want more or we don't; a little less or more and see
how much less or more we hurt. That is the pinnacle of human
existence, the thing that best separates us from other animals, and,
in fact, from some of the most animalistic of the human race itself!
Preferential voting deprives us of this human need.
Now, again, in the below here, do *NOT* interpret what follows as
sour grapes. It is not. It is a very genuine attempt to use the
results of the ballot to really show just how bad the issue of Bob's
way of doing things is hurting FidoNet and what absolutely must be
addressed to plan for Fido for the future, if, as I see it, we are to
survive.
In the best analysis I can make, of the people whom DID vote for
more than one candidate, somewhat per the format, the following is
Bob Kohl's final position - the *LAST* person any voter wanted to see
run things:
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53 of those voters ranked Bob Kohl dead last.
9 of those voters ranked Mike Luther dead last.
Of course, irrespective of a #2 choice only, chuckle!
But wait! When the voters *DID* cooperate *FULLY* with the
format, Messr. Kohl was in the unadmirable position of being
disliked so damned badly that he was, in the case of the 78
voters that were good enough to rank all of the candidates...
even WORSE off:
42 of 78 such candidates who really knew what they wanted,
or 53% told us *EXACTLY* what is wrong with FidoNet.
2 of 78 such candidates who really knew what they wanted,
or 3% put the #2 candidate in that unenviable place.
We see a perfect example why we shouldn't use this form of
preferential balloting here, in my opinion. Because the fallacy of
permitting a one vote-level ballot, or a repetitive same vote ballot
was allowed in the count, it hid, "If my candidate is really that
bad, whom do I wish to suffer under the least?" How? It hid the
real ripoff of this election for FidoNet!
Most importantly, the real ripoff of this experiment is that 21% or
65 voters were deprived of voicing their *ALTERABLE* opinions in a
run off! Those 65 votes could have swung this election wildly
either way, folks. That is why it may never be clear to anyone, what
might have happened, had folks been given a chance to vote the way
they wanted to vote, the way they are comfortable in voting and the
way in which they could have best given in service to FidoNet! In
making appointments on what we did here, we may never best make them
now, simply because of the ballot format!
I stated in the comment in the election process, that the most
divisive issues always focus closer and closer to one vote wins, or
losses. What this election cost the opportunity to determine, for
FidoNet, because of the way the ballot was set up, was a real
opportunity, for the amount of time invested on the part of all. We
lost a real handle on just how close or far we are to what will be
needed to carry us forward.
What we really lost, was the ability to best determine, whether what
Bob Kohl or Mike Luther stands for will kill us, or carry us into the
future. We really settled nothing about the divisions of leadership
in Fido that are the single most important thing we *MUST* fix to
best keep Fido alive and guarding the dog house for us all.
To really understand what is needed, we needed *ALL* six vote steps
from *EVERYONE*, or at worst, have a reasonable majority of those in
FidoNet whom did vote do that! I hope an awfully good chance to
really look at what is needed for FidoNet is not thrown away.
If I were Bob Satti, I would invite anyone whom wanted to fill in the
rest of the ballot to do so, netmail him the results. Then he should
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act accordingly. The fate of Fido is too important for any less, I
opine. The deal you do not investigate is always the deal you lose
and this has nothing to do with who "won" or "lost" this race. :)
Mike @ 117/3001
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ARTICLES
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IP FidoNet in Region 33
by Marco d'Itri
[Editor's Note:
This IP Nodelist segment was _well_ beyond the 70-character limit
required for FidoNews production. If you plan to use this IP
Nodelist, remove the extraneous spaces beforehand. -zf- ]
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39-85-4455650,9600,CM,MO,V34,V42B,
U,#,INET,tella.alicom.org,64K,BND,RAW,IFC,TELN,FTP,
#,EMAIL,fido-vmailer@tella.alicom.org,UUE
,705,The_Ghost_Multisystem,Bari,Gianni_Medusa,39-80-5023688,
9600,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,VFC,U,#,INET,ghostbbs.pandora.it,0,TELN,VMP
--
ciao,
Marco d'Itri
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FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 13 2 Mar 1998
A Summation
[Editor's note: I have been asked to place this into the Snooze by
several individuals who see it as being of general interest to
FidoNet at large. The opinions contained within are wholly my own
and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy within
the FidoNews itself. Comments/responses welcomed. -zf- ]
=====================================================================
* Original In : Z1_ELECTION
* Original To : John Souvestre, 1:396/1
* Original From: Zorch Frezberg, 1:205/1701
* Original Date: Feb 18 17:18
In a msg on <Feb 17 21:40>, John Souvestre of 1:396/1
writes to Zorch Frezberg:
ZF>> If you wish to deny that John has made significant efforts
ZF>> to attempt to influence or force a change in Region 10
ZF>> without the consent of the majority of the sysops here,
ZF>> feel free to do so.
JS> Zorch, you are one of the largest hypocrites I've ever seen.
JS> You claim to be for "free speech" - but only as long as it
JS> isn't critical of you.
Do I? Hmmmm...perhaps it's because I believe free speech works
_both_ ways.
I believe that is the part of my claim that you don't seem to
understand. Part of 'free speech' is the right to _disagree_,
something you tend not to tolerate too well.
JS> The only change I've worked for in R10 is to give SysOps a say
JS> in who there C and ECs are.
Finally, a clear admission. You have been working in Region 10 to
interfere with the process already in place.
JS> Indeed, to make these title subject to the consent of the
majority of the
JS> SysOps - not the other way around.
The majority of SysOps, or the majority of those who participate? An
important distinction here, John...could you please clarify it?
JS> Your only interest in supporting democracy is when you don't like
JS> the current leader.
Let me ask you a specific question, then, John...when Bruce Bodger
put his hat in the ring for the Z1C post last, did you support him?
Did you support Bruce because you supported democracy, or because you
don't like Satti as Z1C?
JS> That's a very shortsighted view, one which you will certainly
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 14 2 Mar 1998
JS> live to regret.
I doubt it, John...that's a fundamental principle of any government,
democracy or otherwise.
The power elite always does what it can to insure that it remains in
the control of the societal macrocosm. The "13 Old Men in Geneva" or
the "Illuminati" are archetypes of that structure, though the more
correct and proper power elite are the holding companies which
provide the financial support for industry, and thus the economy.
In Britain and the US, and to a large extent most English-speaking
nations, that power structure is the insurance/pension industry which
is heavily invested. In Asia, particularly Japan, and some of the
so-called Lowland Countries in Europe, that structure is the banking
industry.
If anyone were to threaten their ability to dominate and influence
the power structure, then the organic model of governmental theory
comes to light...the 'system' reacts as a 'living being' and does
what it can to repel the 'threat', up to and including damaging
itself as necessary.
Or, if you will, like the various species of lizard, the 'system'
will be willing to lose a leg or a tail if it insures continued
survival.
The dynamic questions present in FidoNet currently are whether the
sysops are reacting to the overt control expressed by the *C
structure as well as the growing monopolization of the control of
echomail/file distributions, or if it is the *C/*EC structure
reacting to both mollify the sysops and protect itself from being
overwhelmed by the echomail distribution system's growning influence
over FidoNet operations, or if it is the effort of the echomail
distribution to bring about a change in the societal understanding of
cooperation between the various levels of FidoNet by incurring a
larger influence on the events of sysop connectivity, inter-network
distribution (between nets, Regions, and Zones, as well as between
the various smaller distributions) as well as attempting to insure
that a sufficient income is available to offset the costs of echomail
distribution as much as is economically feasible.
At this point in time, it appears that the echomail distribution
services (EDS) is taking it in the shorts, and that the *C/*EC
structure is ganging up on it with the cooperation of the sysops.
The net result of this will either be that the EDS will shut down,
leaving a vacuum for the smaller distributions to move into, or the
EDS will finally look to the reasons *why* this point in time has
been reached, and how it got there...the key factor will be if it can
look _past_ the personalities involved, and truly _examine_ the
issues rather than casting blame on anyone who happens to disagree
with it (see above, your comments and mine on "free speech").
The end result will be that FidoNet will become a close-knit, almost
incestuous group that will dwindle down to nothing for fear that
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 15 2 Mar 1998
'cooperation' and 'philanthropy' will be considered signs of
weakness, or FidoNet will figure out that no _one_ group can control
the whole...and that all parts need to cooperate openly and clearly,
without resorting to the "Me! Mine!" mentality that leads to the
previous.
Or, total order and total anarchy. Without the breaking of the
pattern, those are the two futures that FidoNet faces. One person/
group overwhelmingly controls it, micromanaging it to death; the
other disregards any and all rules and works "at the moment".
Your reactions and response fit into the classic patterns that most
any student of governance and governmental structures can see. Lots
of laymen, too.
Your stated objectives may be noble-sounding, but your actions and
efforts say far more about your agenda than what you wish others to
believe.
To wit:
JS> The only change I've worked for in R10 is to give SysOps a say in
JS> who there C and ECs are.
That you are _making_ an effort and doing it _in_ any Region is a
clearer indication of your goals than anything else could possibly
display. Your otherwise noble statement of wishing the SysOps the
ability to choose their own leadership is belied by the effort you've
made to cast aspersions and doubts on the ability of Bob Kohl to do
his job, and repeated comments on how an election needs to be held,
when there hasn't been any 'popular support' or 'groundswell of
discontent' to back it up.
There is dissent...if there were not, then I would be one of the
first to complain, if for no other reason than to _provide_ that
dissent.
But there is no reason to not allow _response_ to that dissent,
regardless of how it is phrased....again, refer back to the comment
of "free speech" at the beginning.
JS> You spend the majority of your time attacking personalities
JS> rather than debating the issues. You have a small mind.
Not at all, John. No matter what happens, it will always boil down
to personal matters...after all, that's what "free choice" is about.
In many cases, the issues being discussed are beyond, above or
irrelevant to what is on the minds of most of the readers here.
In others, the issues are occulted by lesser discussions that _seem_
more important but are irrelevant.
It ends up leaving those who would be involved to either throw up
their hands in frustration (the majority response) or to delve into
the issues and understand the dynamics involved.
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 16 2 Mar 1998
In this case, you apparently don't want a ZEC who will act against
_your_ wishes, even if it is for the *betterment* of FidoNet
_overall_. You apparently don't even want the _possibility_ of such
a ZEC coming to power.
Unlike yourself, however, I see where decisions may be made like that
which I won't agree with, either...but I can see beyond myself, and
look to the betterment of the group _as_a_whole_.
You and I are only two small _parts_ of a larger mechanism. Our
independence of action is solely based on how we wish to interact
with the whole, not just _parts_ of the whole.
If you want _total_ individuality, then you shouldn't be in an
association of cooperating individuals.
JS> Chris Baker pegged you well.
Perhaps he did. Didn't seem to indicate this when we discussed
matters after the weekend just past.
Or are you simply exhibiting poor taste again in bringing up Chris'
name at this time?
Either way, John, is there now any point in contacting you about
hatching the FidoNews into distribution as Chris said to, if your
opinion of me is so low?
Or are you going to take the 'far view' as I do, and do it for the
overall benefit of FidoNet itself?
Your call. The issue goes out Sunday at or about 1800 Pacific time.
-zf-
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TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET
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The "Larry (Larry-bud) Jaster" story...
by Jack Sargent, 1:379/12
In April of 1997, we finally caught up with the infamous anal
retentive, Charles Wharton, alias Jaster or "larry-bud," who
had literally plagued a number of Fido echoes, including UFO
for several years.
As it happened, a friend, Pat Parrinello was attending his web
site when Charles Wharton "signed in," and proceeded to leave
behind his foul vulgarisms of an anal-retentive nature. Pat
monitored the situation and also notified Don Allen, a past
moderator of UFO, and long-time victim of Mr. Wharton. Pat and
Don then notified me of the incident and furnished me with
"Larry-bud's" address.
Here is the story, told in a series of e-mail exchanges between
"Larry-bud" and myself. Note his tone in the beginning compared to
his demeanor at the end.
=====================================================================
BBS: The Transporter Room
Date: 04-15-97 (15:25) Number: 343
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Larry Jaster, 1 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ufo1
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
To: cwharton@pdq.net
Fcc: Sent
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:33:21
Subject: You
Message-ID: <19970413.143215.4655.0.ufo1@juno.com>
X-Status: Sent
X-Mailer: Juno 1.23
I often wondered what I would say to you if given the chance.
All I can come up with for now is... ...WHY?
Jack Sargeant,
Moderator - UFO
--- FMail 1.22
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
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BBS: The Transporter Room
Date: 04-15-97 (15:26) Number: 344
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Larry Jaster, 2 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
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To: "Jack P Sargeant" <ufo1@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:28:52 -0500
Subject: Re: You
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First of all, I never left any messages that Don Allen is referring
to. I have discussed this with the person complaining about messages
on his Internet page, and have informed my provider that, if the
messages came from my provider, then I want to know from whom. So do
they.
Second, if it is so that Don Allen, or someone, left libelous
messages on various computer discussion groups, then that is a job
for a lawyer on Monday morning.
Third, as this flurry of messages was going out, someone, probably
the culprit, left a message with my Internet address, that was
forwarded to me on a Usenet group, containing some libelous material.
That has also been retrieved by my provider and they have the means
to track exactly where it came from and from whom.
--- FMail 1.22
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
=====================================================================
BBS: The Transporter Room
Date: 04-15-97 (15:27) Number: 345
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Larry Jaster, 3 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
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From: ufo1
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 19 2 Mar 1998
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
To: chuckx@geocities.com
Cc: dona@totcon.com
Fcc: Sent
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:59:15
Subject: Re: You
Message-ID: <19970413.195821.4655.2.ufo1@juno.com>
References: <19431533129816@cybersim.com>
X-Status: Sent
X-Mailer: Juno 1.23
On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:28:52 -0500 "cwharton" <cwharton@pdq.net>
writes:
>First of all, I never left any messages that Don Allen is referring
>to. I have discussed this with the person complaining about messages
>on his Internet page, and have informed my provider that, if the
>messages came from my provider, then I want to know from whom. So do
>they.
>Second, if it is so that Don Allen, or someone, left libelous
>messages on various computer discussion groups, then that is a job
>for a lawyer on Monday morning.
>Third, as this flurry of messages was going out, someone, probably
>the culprit, left a message with my Internet address, that was
>forwarded to me on a Usenet group, containing some libelous
>material. That has also been retrieved by my provider and they have
>the means to track exactly where it came from and from whom.
>
The information I have is, you were caught in the act of
writing an obscene message, because your provider was brought on-line
as you were typing. ...And traced the call back to... ...You!
This looks like a no-win situation for you, so why not just say
you're sorry and get on with your life?
Jack Sargeant, victim
--- FMail 1.22
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
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BBS: The Transporter Room
Date: 04-15-97 (15:27) Number: 346
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Larry Jaster, 4 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
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To: "Jack P Sargeant" <ufo1@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:47:01 -0500
Subject: Re: You Message-ID: <01002057833566@cybersim.com>
X-Status: Replied
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>> The information I have is, you were caught in the act of writing
>> an obscene message, because your provider was brought on-line as
>> you were typing. ...And traced the call back to... ...You!
>> This looks like a no-win situation for you, so why not just say
>> you're sorry and get on with your life?
>I won't say anything more except this information is wrong, I wrote
>no such message, and that as owner of the Fidonet echo where someone
>posted libelous information to the contrary, you appear to be
>willingly providing a forum for this libel.
--- FMail 1.22
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
=====================================================================
BBS: The Transporter Room
Date: 04-15-97 (15:28) Number: 347
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Larry Jaster, 5 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ufo1
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
To: chuckx@geocities.com
Cc: dona@totcon.com
Fcc: Sent
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:18:49
Subject: Re: You
Message-ID: <19970413.231751.4655.1.ufo1@juno.com>
References: <01002057833566@cybersim.com>
X-Status: Sent
X-Mailer: Juno 1.23
On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:47:01 -0500 "cwharton" <cwharton@pdq.net>
writes:
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 21 2 Mar 1998
>> The information I have is, you were caught in the act of writing
>> an obscene message, because your provider was brought on-line as
>> you were typing.
.
..And traced the call back to... ...You!
>> This looks like a no-win situation for you, so why not just say
>> you're sorry and get on with your life?
>I won't say anything more except this information is wrong, I wrote
>no such message, and that as owner of the Fidonet echo where someone
>posted libelous information to the contrary, you appear to be
>willingly providing a forum for this libel.
It is YOUR hand that's been caught in the till!
I am willing for you to pursue this issue to its climax, so go ahead
with your legal options. Hell, man, I'm the victim here, not you!
You had better be prepared to prove you were not within miles of your
computer when the obscene material was posted (on a number of
occasions) to Pat's website. All I want from you (at present) is
1. Your apology.
2. Your promise to cease
from posting anal retentive, obscene, thilthy messages into my echo.
You do that, and I won't sue your ass off! Do you understand that,
mister? You enter my echo with your real name and apologize, it's
that simple.
--- FMail 1.22
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
=====================================================================
BBS: The Transporter Room
Date: 04-15-97 (15:29) Number: 348
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Larry Jaster, 6 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
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From: ufo1
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
To: cwharton@pdq.net
Cc: dona@totcon.com
Fcc: Sent
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:27:18
Subject: Well?
Message-ID: <19970415.002623.4655.1.ufo1@juno.com>
X-Status: Sent
X-Mailer: Juno 1.23
You haven't told me what you intend to do, so the wheels are in
motion. 2 more of your accounts have surfaced... Your "PLOON"
acct, and the one on Flash.net. Strange that "Jaster" has found his
way onto all 3 of these accounts of yours. I want that apology, and
I want it within 48 hours, or else your next alias will be MUDD!
Your server has agreed to assist us in this matter, to avoid further
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 22 2 Mar 1998
complications. Maybe YOU think you can bluff your way out of this,
but the evidence is in. You've had it, and the best thing you can do
is admit to it, or face the consequences. ...And you have the nerve
to threaten me with a libel action! Har! Have at it "Larry bud,"
you're on!
--- FMail 1.22
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
=====================================================================
BBS: The Transporter Room
Date: 04-15-97 (15:29) Number: 349
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Larry Jaster, 7 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ufo1
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
To: pparri@sat.net
Subject: ufo1: Re: Explanation
X-Status: New
--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
From: ufo1
To: cwharton@pdq.net
Cc: dona@totcon.com
Subject: Re: Explanation
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:52:48
Message-ID: <19970415.125145.4655.0.ufo1@juno.com>
References: <33537F23.5A9E@pdq.net>
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:14:11 -0500 cwharton <cwharton@pdq.net>
writes:
>I don't have an e-mail account with the name ploon and I have never
>used the provider flash.net, but after I was given evidence that
>abusive messages came to Pat Parrinello from my provider, I
>expressed the belief to him, my provider and now to you that my
>account had been hacked by an individual, probably at one of these
>other accounts you uncovered.
> If you or anyone else is in touch with my provider and they are
> giving out this information, they will confirm that I do not own
> these accounts and do not compensate them for them.
> I had an easy password to hack and have since had the provider
> change it when I reported the illegal use of my account. However,
> since Pat's evidence shows that my account was used for at least
> some of the abuse, I suppose because of a too-simple password that
> I have always used on-line, I have told him that I am sorry for
> this and I have to bear responsibility for that. I extend to
> everyone my regret for any attacks or unhappiness that anyone has
> suffered by these messages.
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 23 2 Mar 1998
>
This is the information that is available to your provider when you
use your account:
The account name.
The phone number.
The address the phone is located at.
The type of computer by brand and size (from internally encrypted
information) i e: Mac, IBM, IBM clone, desktop, portable, etc.
Not all of this information has been made available to us, and won't
be until ordered by a federal judge presiding over FCC regulation
infractions. (Read the first 3 pages in your phone book, or those
that apply to obscenity laws.)
Establishing your guilt or innocence is not a problem, as you can
plainly deduce. ...Should charges be brought forth (not entirely my
decision), it becomes an open and shut case, and damages will be
awarded. Your wife Sharon will know you for a maggot. Your church
will excommunicate you. ...Yet you brazenly still deny wrong doing.
Once a judge demands the information from your provider(s), the
attorneys will make their decisions (usually determined on the
financial worth of the defendant). You know how lawyers are.
You have a little over 24 hours to decide what to do about my demands
for a public apology (provided the others involved haven't changed
their minds and are seeking independent counsel).
You're really out of time >now< because it's going to take
longer than that for your note to show up on my conference.
I don't want your money. You don't have enough to alter my resources
by much. ...But I do want your >public apology<.
Your next reply may alter your entire life, "Larrybud."
--------- End forwarded message ----------
--- FMail 1.22
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
=====================================================================
BBS: The Transporter Room
Date: 04-15-97 (15:30) Number: 350
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Larry Jaster, 8 of 8 Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ufo1
Full-Name: Jack P Sargeant
To: cwharton@pdq.net
Cc: dona@totcon.com
Subject: Re: Explanation
References: <33537F23.5A9E@pdq.net>
<19970415.125145.4655.0.ufo1@juno.com>
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 24 2 Mar 1998
<3353C5C8.7305@pdq.net>
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:15:36 -0500 cwharton <cwharton@pdq.net>
writes:
>>you're really out of time >now< because it's going to take longer
>>than that for your note to show up on my conference. I don't want
>>your money.
>>You don't have enough to alter my resources by much. ...But I do
>>want your public apology.
> I don't have access to FidoNet any longer, Jack, and haven't for
>several years so I cannot enter any message into your echo, but you
>are welcome to enter this one. As I've told you I am deeply sorry
>for any messages coming from my account which offended or hurt
>anyone and, as I explained to Pat Parrinello and my provider, I have
>taken necessary steps to ensure that this will never occur again.
>
I see! Well, I'm not sure what I'm going to do next, but
this note and its predecessors will be posted in their entirety on
Fido UFO, and will probably be cross-posted to other echoes as well.
Jack Sargeant, moderator - UFO
cc Don Allen, Pat Parrinello
--- FMail 1.22
* Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Charlotte, NC (1:379/12)
=====================================================================
BBS: The Transporter Room
Date: 04-15-97 (15:44) Number: 351
From: JACK SARGEANT Refer#: NONE
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: Larry Jaster, follow up Conf: (442) Recr: Ufo
---------------------------------------------------------------------
As you can see, folks, Mr. Wharton starts out rather brazen, and
makes inuendos about taking legal action. ...But as the communiques
progress, his attitude changes... ...Not to one who has been falsely
accused, as an innocent person would normally feel, but to one who
sees the rope hanging on the gallows, waiting... ...And ends with
his apology.
Are these the replies of an innocent man? ...Or are they instead,
the words of one who is fearful of the consequences of his actions
for 3 years.
You be the judge.
My thanks to Pat Parrinello, his swift attentiveness, and his
long-distant phone calls that helped bring this to our attention.
...Also thanks to Don Allen for gathering the initial information
together, and presenting it to the echo in an informative, well put
together package.
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 25 2 Mar 1998
If the transcripts of the dialogue between me and Charles Wharton
seem a little repetitive, I did the best I could moving them from a
WINDOWS environment into a series of text files that I could present
to you here.
Jack Sargeant, moderator - UFO
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COORDINATORS CORNER
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Z1EC Election Results
Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator Election
Election Results as posted by the Election Coordinator
In accordance with a directive from the Zone 1 Coordinator
charging the Region Echomail Coordinator Council (RECC) with the
task of organizing an election for Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator,
the RECC selected an Election Coordinator (Martin Belcke) to
conduct the election. Following the selection of the EC, the
ground rules for the election were written, using input from the
Sysops of Zone 1 and the RECC. The final draft of the election
rules were approved by a vote of the RECC. The election coordinator
then announced the time-frame as called for in the election rules.
During the original time-frame set for the campaign period, a
severe winter storm affect a large portion of Zone 1 and the
campaign period was extended a week to accomadate those nodes
affected by the storm. This was the only change made in the
election process once started, and was within the rules of the
election as the rules did not specify specific length of time
for each phase of the election process, thus leaving some
flexibility for unforseen circumstances, such as the storm.
Of the estimated number of nodes in Zone 1 (6,000), only 316
nodes chose to participate in the Z1EC election process. This
is around 5% of the total nodes in the Zone. Of the 344 nets
in Zone 1, 111 nets were represented by at least one person
voting from that net. This represents 32% of the total nets.
Since there were more than 2 candidates, a process known as
preferential balloting was used to eliminate the need for
holding multiple elections between run-off candidates and to
allow the casting of a single ballot, listing the candidates
in order of preference. During each round of tallying the
votes, the candidate listed first on the ballot was used as
the 1st choice for that ballot, removing the names of any
candidates that had been eliminated during any previous round
tallying the ballots. If the 1st choice candidate was
eliminated, the name was removed and the rest of the names
moved up one position. If all names on a ballot were eliminated,
the ballot was then also eliminated and the total number of valid
ballots was reduced by the number of ballots eliminated. The
total number of votes required to win was also adjusted in the
same manner. The actual tallying of each round is listed after
this synopsis of the election results.
BAD BALLOTS:
============
There were 8 invalid ballots received. Ballots were required to
contain certain information as per the election rules. If the
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ballot did not contain the required information, the ballot was
an invalid ballot. The election coordinator was not required to
notify a voter that the ballot was invalid, but I fealt it only
right to notify the voter and allow the opportunity to re-send a
valid ballot. Nine voters took advantage of this and re-sent the
ballot with the required information.
Ballots declared invalid and reasons are:
Ballot 1 - Name of sender did not match name as listed in nodelist.
Sender was notified, but did not respond. Ballot was
declared invalid at close of voting.
Ballot 2 - Name of sender did not match name as listed in nodelist.
Sender was notified, but did not respond. Ballot was
declared invalid at close of voting.
Ballot 3 - Node number not listed in nodelist. Unable to notify
sender as node is not listed. Ballot was declared
invalid at close of voting.
Ballot 4 - Name of sender did not match node number listed in
nodelist. Sender was notified, but did not respond.
Ballot was declared invalid at close of voting.
Ballot 5 - Ballot did not contain any candidates name. Sender
was notified and re-sent same ballot. Ballot was
declared invalid at close of voting.
Ballot 6 - Ballot received after the close of voting. Time
stamp of netmail was prior to closing, but ballot
was sent direct after the close of voting. Sender
was notified via routed netmail.
Ballot 7 - Ballot received after the close of voting. Time
stamp of netmail was prior to closing, but ballot
was sent direct after the close of voting. Sender
was notified via routed netmail.
Ballot 8 - Ballot received after the close of voting. Time
stamp on ballot is after the close of voting. Sender
was notified via routed netmail.
Statistics of invalid ballots:
Ballot 1 ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
Ballot 2 JB
Ballot 3 JB
Ballot 4 BK
Ballot 5 I abstain
Ballot 6 BK JB DC
Ballot 7 BK
Ballot 8 WD
Statistics of the election for those who like them are as follows:
NOTE: Percentages rounded off.
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Overall Stats:
Total Eligible Voters: 6,256 (Info provided by David Bowerman)
Total Nodes Voting : 316
Percent of Eligible : 5%
Total Nets : 344
Total Nets Voting : 111
Percent of Total Nets: 32%
Votes Sent Via DIRECT NETMAIL : 182 58%
Votes Sent Via ROUTED NETMAIL : 72 23%
Votes Sent Via INTERNET E-MAIL : 62 19%
Nodes Per Region Stats: Nets Per Region Stats:
REG TOTAL VOTES PERCENT REG TOTAL VOTED PERCENT
============================ ==========================
R10 549 61 11% R10 25 17 68%
R11 755 39 5% R11 45 15 33%
R12 713 26 4% R12 25 6 24%
R13 979 62 6% R13 44 24 55%
R14 318 10 3% R14 21 3 14%
R15 339 7 2% R15 19 6 32%
R16 378 7 2% R16 14 4 29%
R17 662 30 5% R17 34 11 32%
R18 983 26 3% R18 78 11 14%
R19 580 47 8% R19 39 14 36%
===================================================================
In Round 1 of the tallying, the breakdown is
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
====== ============= ==================
10 BK BK 49
11 BK ML 21
12 ML DC 14
13 JB TIED 12
14 JS JB 7
15 BK JS 5
16 JG JG 2
17 BK WD 1
18 BK =====
19 ML TOTAL NETS 111
ROUND 1 RESULTS
BALLOT STATISTICS:
==================
Total Ballots Cast : 324
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
=======
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
TALLYING RESULTS:
================
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
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candidate listed.
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
1 2 3 4 5 6
===========================================
Valid Ballots : 316
===========================================
Required to win : 159
===========================================
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7
===========================================
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54
===========================================
MIKE LUTHER 72
===========================================
JEFF SMITH 26
===========================================
JIM BALCOM 31
===========================================
JOHN GLINSKI 9
===========================================
BOB KOHL 117
===========================================
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
===============================
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
=================================
(NO PASSWORD) DC JB
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
<KASA> JG
10AACHENZEC BK WD JB JG ML JS DC
1326ELIZ BK DC JS ML JG JB WD
171HMB39 DC BK JB JG JS ML WD
18411 ML DC JG JS JB WD BK
349UIO DC JB
34U890890U ML JS
357LAWTOK ML JS DC WD JG
45048657 ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
5881TUBE BK
8890TAURUS ML
946253366 JG ML JS WD JB DC
9A701 DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
A4M3O6R1C DC JB JS
AAAPOST BK BK BK
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
AK322332 JS ML DC WD JG
ALADDIN DC BK JB JS JG ML WD
ALINCOLN2 ML JS DC WD
AMORPHIS BK
ANDROMEDA BK
ANIMALS DC JS ML JG WD BK
ANNAONE2 ML
ATCHAFALAYA WD BK JB JG ML JS
ATHENS BK
ATLANTIS JS
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ATL_NC JS
AUNIDIAL DC BK ML JB JS JG WD
BANKER JB
BASEMENT BK
BEAR BK BK BK
BIGWIG ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
BINGLEJINGLE DC
BKJSJBJGDC BK JS JB JG DC
BLACKHOLE JB BK WD JG
BLACK BK
BLOSSOM ML
BNSFDSF1 BK
BOOGER ML DC JS WD JG
BOOKS BK
BR549369 DC JS ML
BRAVO BK DC JG JS ML JB WD
BTSVOTE JB DC
BUBBLES ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
BUGGYMUTHA ML DC JS WD JG
BULLPEN ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
BUM_RAP BK JB
BUNNIES3 ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
BURTONC ML
BYTEHEAD DC JS ML
CABINET BK
CABLECAR ML DC JS WD JG BK
CALADAN BK
CAMPAIGN98 BK DC JB
CANNONBALL JB
CARIBOU BK JB DC JG ML JS WD
CHEST JB DC
CHRISTIAN JB
CHUVEN JB
CJ4681 JS
CLAWSON JB DC
CLMBBSOMNI BK
CMBTARMS ML WD DC JB JG
CORDLESS ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
CREATIVE ML JG JB WD DC JS BK
CRYPTIC JB
CSID_HQ ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
CYGNUSX1 ML DC BK
D_P_S:4285 BK
DARKSTAR ML JS DC WD JG JB
DEI#3 BK
DILLYGAF BK JG
DIRECPC ML JG DC WD JS BK JB
DOGGINIT ML
DUFUS DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
DUOFONEIXI JS
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
E363 BK
EAGLE JB
EAGLE103 JS
EDNAMG ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
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EILEEN BK
ELECT1 BK JB JG
ELMO JB DC
EMAILJUNKY ML
EPENDYMAL JB
EREBUS ML JS JG DC WD
EREVER DC JB
ESUOHTUO BK JG JB JS
EXEGETE JS
FAIRVIEW DC
FALLPON DC WD
FARFROMIT JS DC ML JG WD
FIDOELEC DC JS ML
FIDOGATE BK
FIREWATER BK
FLACT ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
FLAME_NOW BK JB
FNEEP ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
FOLLOWER JB
FORVM JG
FOXWOOD DC JS ML JG
FRAMOUS DC ML JG JS JB WD
FRANKY DC
FROG BK JB
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
FUR_FACE WD DC JB JG ML JS BK
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK DC
GANDALF BK
GETTHEVOTE DC BK JS
GLIMMERMAN BK JS JB WD JG DC ML
GOBSMUSTGO BK
GOJEFF JS
GOKOHL BK
GOLLY-GEE DC BK JG JB
GOODLUCK DC JB
GORP JB
GRELBER DC BK ML WD JB JG (1) JS
GRIM BK
GRYPHON ML DC
HAGGIE BK
HAMILTON BK
HAMMERBAND BK JB DC
HATAMOTO JG DC BK ML
HCS/ORCO BK JB WD ML JS JG DC
HEREWEGO WD DC ML JB JG JS BK
HEREWEGOAGAIN JS
HERMAN BK
HIDESYSOP ML JS DC WD
HIMALC DC ML
HISTORY ML JG DC BK WD JS JB
HOSPITAL JB
HURRICANE JB
IBOGAINE ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
IC3DE1612 JS ML JB DC WD JG BK
IDOP0 BK JB WD DC ML JS JG
IMAVOTIN ML JB
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IMPEACHCLINTON ML JS DC WD JG JB
INVICTUS ML DC JG JS JB WD BK
ISBBS DC JB
ISRAEL BK
IVOTED DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
IZZAMYVZ BK
JACLYN JS ML DC JG
JED106-977 ML DC
JSARGEANT WD
JUSENKYO ML JS JG WD DC
JUSTBOB BK JB DC
JUSTDOIT ML
KCUL_ON JG BK
KEEP8088STR8 BK
KEEPER JS DC ML WD JG JB
KIYOTI ML
KNOTKINGKOHL ML JS JG DC
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML JS JG DC JB WD BK
LADYBUG ML JS DC JG BK WD JB
LASERMEAT BK
LAURA WD BK DC JS ML JG JB
LOSTPINES ML JS DC WD JG JB BK
LUCENT/TECH DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
LYONESSE BK
MAGNUM JS ML DC JG
MAJICALLY JB
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MARYLANDS ML
MASTBLAST BK WD JB DC ML JS JG
MAXIMAX JB
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK JG DC JS WD JB
MCDONALD BK
MERTLAMY JG DC ML BK JS JB WD
MESSAGE ML
METALLICA BK DC JG JB
MIDNIGHT DC JB JS ML JG WD BK
MIDNIGHT15 DC
MILESG ML DC JS WD
MOMINCOL ML DC JS WD
MONALOH DC JB BK ML
MONETARY ML JS DC JG JB BK WD
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MOONLIGHT DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
MOUSE1 JB
MTBMWITE JS ML DC WD JG JB
MYOBMBZ1EMP DC WD ML BK JB JG JS
MYSTI ML JS DC JG JB WD BK
NAGANO BK JB
NATURIST1 DC BK JB JG WD JS ML
NECROMANCER JG
NITRAM BK
NMB8UIO BK
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
NOBOZODIPS ML DC JB
NOKOHL JS DC
NOMOREGOBS BK
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NONOTIME BK
NOSPAMERS DC
NOTDWAYNE BK
NOVELL DC JB BK
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
NOWAYBK JS
NUKEFROG DC JS ML
NYRANGERS JB DC
OAT66MAN BK
OGNOLAZY BK JB DC WD ML JG JS
OMMANIS ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
ONEAGLE DC JB
OS/400V3.4 BK JB WD DC JG ML JS
OSCAR JS
OSSBBS BK
OUTLANDISH JS
PA-5-NODE DC
PACKARDS DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
PARAMEDIC BK JB JS
PASSTHISONE BK
PASSWORD3073 BK DC
PEANUT DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
PEPPER01 WD DC ML JS JB JG BK
PEPSI BK
PICKLES ML WD
PINKEROONIE DC
PINKFLOYD BK
PIONEER ML
PLUSFOUR ML DC JS WD JG
PONTOON DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
PRIMESTAR BK
PROGRAM BK
PROMISE JB
PT2716FL BK DC JB JS ML
PUDDING ML JS DC WD JG JB
QUICKIEP JB BK
R80RT BK
RABBIT3 JS ML (1) ML WD DC JG
REACT BK
REDSARAH ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
REDWOLFPACK BK
RFC832 BK
RLEDC1 BK
ROBERTA JS ML DC JG
ROCKETSCIENCE DC JB
ROGIER BK JB ML JS
RONTOLDMETO ML
ROSE DC
ROSES! BK JB JG WD DC ML JS
ROTTWEILER BK DC JB
SAFE BK
SAFETY22 JS
SALMO BK
SANE4REALITY DC JS JB BK WD ML JG
SC2COUPE ML
SCHLITZ JB
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SCHWARTZ JG
SCORPIUS ML DC JG JS
SCREWS BK JB WD ML DC JG
SCYLLA WD BK DC JB JG ML JS
SEATREND DC
SERAMANDIAS JG DC BK
SEYCHELLES JB DC
SHEEPDIP ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
SIG2VOTE JB
SIGMAONE BK JS
SIGNAL ML JS BK
SIKMY ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
SILLINESS BK
SIMBA ML
SNERDLY BK
SOLIDROCK BK
SOYLENT BK DC JS
SPACEACE DC
SPECIFIC BK WD
SPITZBARTH DC JS WD ML JB JG
SQUIRT ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
SSBEER JS DC BK
STUPID JB DC
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
SYBHAMGK JB
TAXTIME DC JB
TERRI BK
TESLA001 BK
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
THE-FUTURE JS DC JB BK
THEKING BK
TICKLEFOOT DC JS ML JG WD JB BK
TOADMAN BK
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
TSKTSKTSK DC JB JS ML JG WD BK
TURKEY ML JG DC BK
UPTOLATE ML JS WD DC
USAA DC ML JS JG
USAGIYO JB BK DC
VALHALLA JB
VERYLATE BK DC JS
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
VIKINGS BK JS DC ML WD JB JG
VILLAGE DC JB BK
VULGAR32 BK JB
W2KIN2000 BK
WARBOND JS
WARLORD BK JB
WARP3MRSULU BK ML JS
WHERE BK
WILDCARD BK JB DC
WILKEN ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
WOLFHYB JB
WOMBAT ML JG DC WD JS BK JB
WONDERBUNNY JB
WOOFWOOF BK
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WOTMEWORRY DC
WPETSUCH BK
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
YEAR2000 ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
ZABBADO BK
ZAJADICI ML DC JB JG JS WD BK
ZELAZNEY BK JB DC JS
ZZYZX123 JS ML BK DC
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
FOOTNOTES:
(1) Invalid candidate listed
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
of the voting period.
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
is the time of the ballot.
====================================================================
In Round 2 of the tallying, the breakdown is
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
====== ============= ==================
10 BK BK 50
11 BK ML 21
12 ML DC 14
13 JB TIED 12
14 JS JB 7
15 BK JS 5
16 JG JG 2
17 BK =====
18 BK 111
19 ML
ROUND 2 RESULTS
BALLOT STATISTICS:
==================
Total Ballots Cast : 324
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
=======
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
TALLYING RESULTS:
================
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
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candidate listed.
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
1 2 3 4 5 6
===========================================
Valid Ballots : 316 315
===========================================
Required to win : 159 158
===========================================
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7 ELIM
===========================================
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54 57
===========================================
MIKE LUTHER 72 72
===========================================
JEFF SMITH 26 26
===========================================
JIM BALCOM 31 31
===========================================
JOHN GLINSKI 9 9
===========================================
BOB KOHL 117 120
===========================================
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
===============================
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
=================================
(NO PASSWORD) DC JB
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
<KASA> JG
10AACHENZEC BK JB JG ML JS DC
1326ELIZ BK DC JS ML JG JB
171HMB39 DC BK JB JG JS ML
18411 ML DC JG JS JB BK
349UIO DC JB
34U890890U ML JS
357LAWTOK ML JS DC JG
45048657 ML DC JB JG JS BK
5881TUBE BK
8890TAURUS ML
946253366 JG ML JS JB DC
9A701 DC JS ML JG JB BK
A4M3O6R1C DC JB JS
AAAPOST BK BK BK
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
AK322332 JS ML DC JG
ALADDIN DC BK JB JS JG ML
ALINCOLN2 ML JS DC
AMORPHIS BK
ANDROMEDA BK
ANIMALS DC JS ML JG BK
ANNAONE2 ML
ATCHAFALAYA BK JB JG ML JS
ATHENS BK
ATLANTIS JS
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ATL_NC JS
AUNIDIAL DC BK ML JB JS JG
BANKER JB
BASEMENT BK
BEAR BK BK BK
BIGWIG ML DC JB JG JS BK
BINGLEJINGLE DC
BKJSJBJGDC BK JS JB JG DC
BLACKHOLE JB BK JG
BLACK BK
BLOSSOM ML
BNSFDSF1 BK
BOOGER ML DC JS JG
BOOKS BK
BR549369 DC JS ML
BRAVO BK DC JG JS ML JB
BTSVOTE JB DC
BUBBLES ML DC JB JG JS BK
BUGGYMUTHA ML DC JS JG
BULLPEN ML DC JB JG JS BK
BUM_RAP BK JB
BUNNIES3 ML DC JB JG JS BK
BURTONC ML
BYTEHEAD DC JS ML
CABINET BK
CABLECAR ML DC JS JG BK
CALADAN BK
CAMPAIGN98 BK DC JB
CANNONBALL JB
CARIBOU BK JB DC JG ML JS
CHEST JB DC
CHRISTIAN JB
CHUVEN JB
CJ4681 JS
CLAWSON JB DC
CLMBBSOMNI BK
CMBTARMS ML DC JB JG
CORDLESS ML DC JB JG JS BK
CREATIVE ML JG JB DC JS BK
CRYPTIC JB
CSID_HQ ML DC JB JG JS BK
CYGNUSX1 ML DC BK
D_P_S:4285 BK
DARKSTAR ML JS DC JG JB
DEI#3 BK
DILLYGAF BK JG
DIRECPC ML JG DC JS BK JB
DOGGINIT ML
DUFUS DC JS ML JG JB BK
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
DUOFONEIXI JS
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
E363 BK
EAGLE JB
EAGLE103 JS
EDNAMG ML DC JB JG JS BK
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EILEEN BK
ELECT1 BK JB JG
ELMO JB DC
EMAILJUNKY ML
EPENDYMAL JB
EREBUS ML JS JG DC
EREVER DC JB
ESUOHTUO BK JG JB JS
EXEGETE JS
FAIRVIEW DC
FALLPON DC
FARFROMIT JS DC ML JG
FIDOELEC DC JS ML
FIDOGATE BK
FIREWATER BK
FLACT ML DC JB JG JS BK
FLAME_NOW BK JB
FNEEP ML DC JB JG JS BK
FOLLOWER JB
FORVM JG
FOXWOOD DC JS ML JG
FRAMOUS DC ML JG JS JB
FRANKY DC
FROG BK JB
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
FUR_FACE DC JB JG ML JS BK
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK DC
GANDALF BK
GETTHEVOTE DC BK JS
GLIMMERMAN BK JS JB JG DC ML
GOBSMUSTGO BK
GOJEFF JS
GOKOHL BK
GOLLY-GEE DC BK JG JB
GOODLUCK DC JB
GORP JB
GRELBER DC BK ML JB JG (1) JS
GRIM BK
GRYPHON ML DC
HAGGIE BK
HAMILTON BK
HAMMERBAND BK JB DC
HATAMOTO JG DC BK ML
HCS/ORCO BK JB ML JS JG DC
HEREWEGO DC ML JB JG JS BK
HEREWEGOAGAIN JS
HERMAN BK
HIDESYSOP ML JS DC
HIMALC DC ML
HISTORY ML JG DC BK JS JB
HOSPITAL JB
HURRICANE JB
IBOGAINE ML DC JB JG JS BK
IC3DE1612 JS ML JB DC JG BK
IDOP0 BK JB DC ML JS JG
IMAVOTIN ML JB
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IMPEACHCLINTON ML JS DC JG JB
INVICTUS ML DC JG JS JB BK
ISBBS DC JB
ISRAEL BK
IVOTED DC JS ML JG JB BK
IZZAMYVZ BK
JACLYN JS ML DC JG
JED106-977 ML DC
JUSENKYO ML JS JG DC
JUSTBOB BK JB DC
JUSTDOIT ML
KCUL_ON JG BK
KEEP8088STR8 BK
KEEPER JS DC ML JG JB
KIYOTI ML
KNOTKINGKOHL ML JS JG DC
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML JS JG DC JB BK
LADYBUG ML JS DC JG BK JB
LASERMEAT BK
LAURA BK DC JS ML JG JB
LOSTPINES ML JS DC JG JB BK
LUCENT/TECH DC JS ML JG JB BK
LYONESSE BK
MAGNUM JS ML DC JG
MAJICALLY JB
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MARYLANDS ML
MASTBLAST BK JB DC ML JS JG
MAXIMAX JB
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK JG DC JS JB
MCDONALD BK
MERTLAMY JG DC ML BK JS JB
MESSAGE ML
METALLICA BK DC JG JB
MIDNIGHT DC JB JS ML JG BK
MIDNIGHT15 DC
MILESG ML DC JS
MOMINCOL ML DC JS
MONALOH DC JB BK ML
MONETARY ML JS DC JG JB BK
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MOONLIGHT DC JS ML JG JB BK
MOUSE1 JB
MTBMWITE JS ML DC JG JB
MYOBMBZ1EMP DC ML BK JB JG JS
MYSTI ML JS DC JG JB BK
NAGANO BK JB
NATURIST1 DC BK JB JG JS ML
NECROMANCER JG
NITRAM BK
NMB8UIO BK
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
NOBOZODIPS ML DC JB
NOKOHL JS DC
NOMOREGOBS BK
NONOTIME BK
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NOSPAMERS DC
NOTDWAYNE BK
NOVELL DC JB BK
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
NOWAYBK JS
NUKEFROG DC JS ML
NYRANGERS JB DC
OAT66MAN BK
OGNOLAZY BK JB DC ML JG JS
OMMANIS ML DC JB JG JS BK
ONEAGLE DC JB
OS/400V3.4 BK JB DC JG ML JS
OSCAR JS
OSSBBS BK
OUTLANDISH JS
PA-5-NODE DC
PACKARDS DC JS ML JG JB BK
PARAMEDIC BK JB JS
PASSTHISONE BK
PASSWORD3073 BK DC
PEANUT DC JS ML JG JB BK
PEPPER01 DC ML JS JB JG BK
PEPSI BK
PICKLES ML
PINKEROONIE DC
PINKFLOYD BK
PIONEER ML
PLUSFOUR ML DC JS JG
PONTOON DC JS ML JG JB BK
PRIMESTAR BK
PROGRAM BK
PROMISE JB
PT2716FL BK DC JB JS ML
PUDDING ML JS DC JG JB
QUICKIEP JB BK
R80RT BK
RABBIT3 JS ML (1) ML DC JG
REACT BK
REDSARAH ML DC JB JG JS BK
REDWOLFPACK BK
RFC832 BK
RLEDC1 BK
ROBERTA JS ML DC JG
ROCKETSCIENCE DC JB
ROGIER BK JB ML JS
RONTOLDMETO ML
ROSE DC
ROSES! BK JB JG DC ML JS
ROTTWEILER BK DC JB
SAFE BK
SAFETY22 JS
SALMO BK
SANE4REALITY DC JS JB BK ML JG
SC2COUPE ML
SCHLITZ JB
SCHWARTZ JG
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SCORPIUS ML DC JG JS
SCREWS BK JB ML DC JG
SCYLLA BK DC JB JG ML JS
SEATREND DC
SERAMANDIAS JG DC BK
SEYCHELLES JB DC
SHEEPDIP ML DC JB JG JS BK
SIG2VOTE JB
SIGMAONE BK JS
SIGNAL ML JS BK
SIKMY ML DC JB JG JS BK
SILLINESS BK
SIMBA ML
SNERDLY BK
SOLIDROCK BK
SOYLENT BK DC JS
SPACEACE DC
SPECIFIC BK
SPITZBARTH DC JS ML JB JG
SQUIRT ML DC JB JG JS BK
SSBEER JS DC BK
STUPID JB DC
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
SYBHAMGK JB
TAXTIME DC JB
TERRI BK
TESLA001 BK
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
THE-FUTURE JS DC JB BK
THEKING BK
TICKLEFOOT DC JS ML JG JB BK
TOADMAN BK
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
TSKTSKTSK DC JB JS ML JG BK
TURKEY ML JG DC BK
UPTOLATE ML JS DC
USAA DC ML JS JG
USAGIYO JB BK DC
VALHALLA JB
VERYLATE BK DC JS
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
VIKINGS BK JS DC ML JB JG
VILLAGE DC JB BK
VULGAR32 BK JB
W2KIN2000 BK
WARBOND JS
WARLORD BK JB
WARP3MRSULU BK ML JS
WHERE BK
WILDCARD BK JB DC
WILKEN ML DC JB JG JS BK
WOLFHYB JB
WOMBAT ML JG DC JS BK JB
WONDERBUNNY JB
WOOFWOOF BK
WOTMEWORRY DC
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WPETSUCH BK
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
YEAR2000 ML DC JB JG JS BK
ZABBADO BK
ZAJADICI ML DC JB JG JS BK
ZELAZNEY BK JB DC JS
ZZYZX123 JS ML BK DC
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
FOOTNOTES:
(1) Invalid candidate listed
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
of the voting period.
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
is the time of the ballot.
===================================================================
In Round 3 of the tallying, the breakdown is
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
====== ============= ==================
10 BK BK 51
11 BK ML 20
12 ML DC 15
13 DC TIED 13
14 JS JS 6
15 BK JB 6
16 DC =====
17 BK 111
18 BK
19 ML
ROUND 3 RESULTS
BALLOT STATISTICS:
==================
Total Ballots Cast : 324
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
=======
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
TALLYING RESULTS:
================
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
candidate listed.
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ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
1 2 3 4 5 6
===========================================
Valid Ballots : 316 315 311
===========================================
Required to win : 159 158 156
===========================================
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7 ELIM --- --- --- ---
===========================================
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54 57 60
===========================================
MIKE LUTHER 72 72 73
===========================================
JEFF SMITH 26 26 26
===========================================
JIM BALCOM 31 31 31
===========================================
JOHN GLINSKI 9 9 ELIM --- --- ---
===========================================
BOB KOHL 117 120 121
===========================================
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
===============================
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
=================================
(NO PASSWORD) DC JB
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
10AACHENZEC BK JB ML JS DC
1326ELIZ BK DC JS ML JB
171HMB39 DC BK JB JS ML
18411 ML DC JS JB BK
349UIO DC JB
34U890890U ML JS
357LAWTOK ML JS DC
45048657 ML DC JB JS BK
5881TUBE BK
8890TAURUS ML
946253366 ML JS JB DC
9A701 DC JS ML JB BK
A4M3O6R1C DC JB JS
AAAPOST BK BK BK
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
AK322332 JS ML DC
ALADDIN DC BK JB JS ML
ALINCOLN2 ML JS DC
AMORPHIS BK
ANDROMEDA BK
ANIMALS DC JS ML BK
ANNAONE2 ML
ATCHAFALAYA BK JB ML JS
ATHENS BK
ATLANTIS JS
ATL_NC JS
AUNIDIAL DC BK ML JB JS
BANKER JB
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BASEMENT BK
BEAR BK BK BK
BIGWIG ML DC JB JS BK
BINGLEJINGLE DC
BKJSJBJGDC BK JS JB DC
BLACKHOLE JB BK
BLACK BK
BLOSSOM ML
BNSFDSF1 BK
BOOGER ML DC JS
BOOKS BK
BR549369 DC JS ML
BRAVO BK DC JS ML JB
BTSVOTE JB DC
BUBBLES ML DC JB JS BK
BUGGYMUTHA ML DC JS
BULLPEN ML DC JB JS BK
BUM_RAP BK JB
BUNNIES3 ML DC JB JS BK
BURTONC ML
BYTEHEAD DC JS ML
CABINET BK
CABLECAR ML DC JS BK
CALADAN BK
CAMPAIGN98 BK DC JB
CANNONBALL JB
CARIBOU BK JB DC ML JS
CHEST JB DC
CHRISTIAN JB
CHUVEN JB
CJ4681 JS
CLAWSON JB DC
CLMBBSOMNI BK
CMBTARMS ML DC JB
CORDLESS ML DC JB JS BK
CREATIVE ML JB DC JS BK
CRYPTIC JB
CSID_HQ ML DC JB JS BK
CYGNUSX1 ML DC BK
D_P_S:4285 BK
DARKSTAR ML JS DC JB
DEI#3 BK
DILLYGAF BK
DIRECPC ML DC JS BK JB
DOGGINIT ML
DUFUS DC JS ML JB BK
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
DUOFONEIXI JS
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
E363 BK
EAGLE JB
EAGLE103 JS
EDNAMG ML DC JB JS BK
EILEEN BK
ELECT1 BK JB
ELMO JB DC
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EMAILJUNKY ML
EPENDYMAL JB
EREBUS ML JS DC
EREVER DC JB
ESUOHTUO BK JB JS
EXEGETE JS
FAIRVIEW DC
FALLPON DC
FARFROMIT JS DC ML
FIDOELEC DC JS ML
FIDOGATE BK
FIREWATER BK
FLACT ML DC JB JS BK
FLAME_NOW BK JB
FNEEP ML DC JB JS BK
FOLLOWER JB
FOXWOOD DC JS ML
FRAMOUS DC ML JS JB
FRANKY DC
FROG BK JB
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
FUR_FACE DC JB ML JS BK
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK DC
GANDALF BK
GETTHEVOTE DC BK JS
GLIMMERMAN BK JS JB DC ML
GOBSMUSTGO BK
GOJEFF JS
GOKOHL BK
GOLLY-GEE DC BK JB
GOODLUCK DC JB
GORP JB
GRELBER DC BK ML JB (1) JS
GRIM BK
GRYPHON ML DC
HAGGIE BK
HAMILTON BK
HAMMERBAND BK JB DC
HATAMOTO DC BK ML
HCS/ORCO BK JB ML JS DC
HEREWEGO DC ML JB JS BK
HEREWEGOAGAIN JS
HERMAN BK
HIDESYSOP ML JS DC
HIMALC DC ML
HISTORY ML DC BK JS JB
HOSPITAL JB
HURRICANE JB
IBOGAINE ML DC JB JS BK
IC3DE1612 JS ML JB DC BK
IDOP0 BK JB DC ML JS
IMAVOTIN ML JB
IMPEACHCLINTON ML JS DC JB
INVICTUS ML DC JS JB BK
ISBBS DC JB
ISRAEL BK
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IVOTED DC JS ML JB BK
IZZAMYVZ BK
JACLYN JS ML DC
JED106-977 ML DC
JUSENKYO ML JS DC
JUSTBOB BK JB DC
JUSTDOIT ML
KCUL_ON BK
KEEP8088STR8 BK
KEEPER JS DC ML JB
KIYOTI ML
KNOTKINGKOHL ML JS DC
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML JS DC JB BK
LADYBUG ML JS DC BK JB
LASERMEAT BK
LAURA BK DC JS ML JB
LOSTPINES ML JS DC JB BK
LUCENT/TECH DC JS ML JB BK
LYONESSE BK
MAGNUM JS ML DC
MAJICALLY JB
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MARYLANDS ML
MASTBLAST BK JB DC ML JS
MAXIMAX JB
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK DC JS JB
MCDONALD BK
MERTLAMY DC ML BK JS JB
MESSAGE ML
METALLICA BK DC JB
MIDNIGHT DC JB JS ML BK
MIDNIGHT15 DC
MILESG ML DC JS
MOMINCOL ML DC JS
MONALOH DC JB BK ML
MONETARY ML JS DC JB BK
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MOONLIGHT DC JS ML JB BK
MOUSE1 JB
MTBMWITE JS ML DC JB
MYOBMBZ1EMP DC ML BK JB JS
MYSTI ML JS DC JB BK
NAGANO BK JB
NATURIST1 DC BK JB JS ML
NITRAM BK
NMB8UIO BK
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
NOBOZODIPS ML DC JB
NOKOHL JS DC
NOMOREGOBS BK
NONOTIME BK
NOSPAMERS DC
NOTDWAYNE BK
NOVELL DC JB BK
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
NOWAYBK JS
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NUKEFROG DC JS ML
NYRANGERS JB DC
OAT66MAN BK
OGNOLAZY BK JB DC ML JS
OMMANIS ML DC JB JS BK
ONEAGLE DC JB
OS/400V3.4 BK JB DC ML JS
OSCAR JS
OSSBBS BK
OUTLANDISH JS
PA-5-NODE DC
PACKARDS DC JS ML JB BK
PARAMEDIC BK JB JS
PASSTHISONE BK
PASSWORD3073 BK DC
PEANUT DC JS ML JB BK
PEPPER01 DC ML JS JB BK
PEPSI BK
PICKLES ML
PINKEROONIE DC
PINKFLOYD BK
PIONEER ML
PLUSFOUR ML DC JS
PONTOON DC JS ML JB BK
PRIMESTAR BK
PROGRAM BK
PROMISE JB
PT2716FL BK DC JB JS ML
PUDDING ML JS DC JB
QUICKIEP JB BK
R80RT BK
RABBIT3 JS ML (1) ML DC
REACT BK
REDSARAH ML DC JB JS BK
REDWOLFPACK BK
RFC832 BK
RLEDC1 BK
ROBERTA JS ML DC
ROCKETSCIENCE DC JB
ROGIER BK JB ML JS
RONTOLDMETO ML
ROSE DC
ROSES! BK JB DC ML JS
ROTTWEILER BK DC JB
SAFE BK
SAFETY22 JS
SALMO BK
SANE4REALITY DC JS JB BK ML
SC2COUPE ML
SCHLITZ JB
SCORPIUS ML DC JS
SCREWS BK JB ML DC
SCYLLA BK DC JB ML JS
SEATREND DC
SERAMANDIAS DC BK
SEYCHELLES JB DC
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SHEEPDIP ML DC JB JS BK
SIG2VOTE JB
SIGMAONE BK JS
SIGNAL ML JS BK
SIKMY ML DC JB JS BK
SILLINESS BK
SIMBA ML
SNERDLY BK
SOLIDROCK BK
SOYLENT BK DC JS
SPACEACE DC
SPECIFIC BK
SPITZBARTH DC JS ML JB
SQUIRT ML DC JB JS BK
SSBEER JS DC BK
STUPID JB DC
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
SYBHAMGK JB
TAXTIME DC JB
TERRI BK
TESLA001 BK
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
THE-FUTURE JS DC JB BK
THEKING BK
TICKLEFOOT DC JS ML JB BK
TOADMAN BK
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
TSKTSKTSK DC JB JS ML BK
TURKEY ML DC BK
UPTOLATE ML JS DC
USAA DC ML JS
USAGIYO JB BK DC
VALHALLA JB
VERYLATE BK DC JS
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
VIKINGS BK JS DC ML JB
VILLAGE DC JB BK
VULGAR32 BK JB
W2KIN2000 BK
WARBOND JS
WARLORD BK JB
WARP3MRSULU BK ML JS
WHERE BK
WILDCARD BK JB DC
WILKEN ML DC JB JS BK
WOLFHYB JB
WOMBAT ML DC JS BK JB
WONDERBUNNY JB
WOOFWOOF BK
WOTMEWORRY DC
WPETSUCH BK
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
YEAR2000 ML DC JB JS BK
ZABBADO BK
ZAJADICI ML DC JB JS BK
ZELAZNEY BK JB DC JS
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ZZYZX123 JS ML BK DC
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
FOOTNOTES:
(1) Invalid candidate listed
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
of the voting period.
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
is the time of the ballot.
===================================================================
In Round 4 of the tallying, the breakdown is
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
====== ============= ==================
10 BK BK 49
11 BK ML 23
12 ML DC 19
13 DC TIED 11
14 DC JB 6
15 BK ====
16 DC 108
17 BK
18 BK
19 ML
ROUND 4 RESULTS
BALLOT STATISTICS:
==================
Total Ballots Cast : 324
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
=======
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
TALLYING RESULTS:
================
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
candidate listed.
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
1 2 3 4 5 6
===========================================
Valid Ballots : 316 315 311 298
===========================================
Required to win : 159 158 156 150
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===========================================
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7 ELIM --- --- --- ---
===========================================
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54 57 60 65
===========================================
MIKE LUTHER 72 72 73 81
===========================================
JEFF SMITH 26 26 26 ELIM --- ---
===========================================
JIM BALCOM 31 31 31 31
===========================================
JOHN GLINSKI 9 9 ELIM --- --- ---
===========================================
BOB KOHL 117 120 121 121
===========================================
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
===============================
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
=================================
(NO PASSWORD) DC JB
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
10AACHENZEC BK JB ML DC
1326ELIZ BK DC ML JB
171HMB39 DC BK JB ML
18411 ML DC JB BK
349UIO DC JB
34U890890U ML
357LAWTOK ML DC
45048657 ML DC JB BK
5881TUBE BK
8890TAURUS ML
946253366 ML JB DC
9A701 DC ML JB BK
A4M3O6R1C DC JB
AAAPOST BK BK BK
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
AK322332 ML DC
ALADDIN DC BK JB ML
ALINCOLN2 ML DC
AMORPHIS BK
ANDROMEDA BK
ANIMALS DC ML BK
ANNAONE2 ML
ATCHAFALAYA BK JB ML
ATHENS BK
AUNIDIAL DC BK ML JB
BANKER JB
BASEMENT BK
BEAR BK BK BK
BIGWIG ML DC JB BK
BINGLEJINGLE DC
BKJSJBJGDC BK JB DC
BLACKHOLE JB BK
BLACK BK
BLOSSOM ML
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BNSFDSF1 BK
BOOGER ML DC
BOOKS BK
BR549369 DC ML
BRAVO BK DC ML JB
BTSVOTE JB DC
BUBBLES ML DC JB BK
BUGGYMUTHA ML DC
BULLPEN ML DC JB BK
BUM_RAP BK JB
BUNNIES3 ML DC JB BK
BURTONC ML
BYTEHEAD DC ML
CABINET BK
CABLECAR ML DC BK
CALADAN BK
CAMPAIGN98 BK DC JB
CANNONBALL JB
CARIBOU BK JB DC ML
CHEST JB DC
CHRISTIAN JB
CHUVEN JB
CLAWSON JB DC
CLMBBSOMNI BK
CMBTARMS ML DC JB
CORDLESS ML DC JB BK
CREATIVE ML JB DC BK
CRYPTIC JB
CSID_HQ ML DC JB BK
CYGNUSX1 ML DC BK
D_P_S:4285 BK
DARKSTAR ML DC JB
DEI#3 BK
DILLYGAF BK
DIRECPC ML DC BK JB
DOGGINIT ML
DUFUS DC ML JB BK
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
E363 BK
EAGLE JB
EDNAMG ML DC JB BK
EILEEN BK
ELECT1 BK JB
ELMO JB DC
EMAILJUNKY ML
EPENDYMAL JB
EREBUS ML DC
EREVER DC JB
ESUOHTUO BK JB
FAIRVIEW DC
FALLPON DC
FARFROMIT DC ML
FIDOELEC DC ML
FIDOGATE BK
FIREWATER BK
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FLACT ML DC JB BK
FLAME_NOW BK JB
FNEEP ML DC JB BK
FOLLOWER JB
FOXWOOD DC ML
FRAMOUS DC ML JB
FRANKY DC
FROG BK JB
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
FUR_FACE DC JB ML BK
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK DC
GANDALF BK
GETTHEVOTE DC BK
GLIMMERMAN BK JB DC ML
GOBSMUSTGO BK
GOKOHL BK
GOLLY-GEE DC BK JB
GOODLUCK DC JB
GORP JB
GRELBER DC BK ML JB (1)
GRIM BK
GRYPHON ML DC
HAGGIE BK
HAMILTON BK
HAMMERBAND BK JB DC
HATAMOTO DC BK ML
HCS/ORCO BK JB ML DC
HEREWEGO DC ML JB BK
HERMAN BK
HIDESYSOP ML DC
HIMALC DC ML
HISTORY ML DC BK JB
HOSPITAL JB
HURRICANE JB
IBOGAINE ML DC JB BK
IC3DE1612 ML JB DC BK
IDOP0 BK JB DC ML
IMAVOTIN ML JB
IMPEACHCLINTON ML DC JB
INVICTUS ML DC JB BK
ISBBS DC JB
ISRAEL BK
IVOTED DC ML JB BK
IZZAMYVZ BK
JACLYN ML DC
JED106-977 ML DC
JUSENKYO ML DC
JUSTBOB BK JB DC
JUSTDOIT ML
KCUL_ON BK
KEEP8088STR8 BK
KEEPER DC ML JB
KIYOTI ML
KNOTKINGKOHL ML DC
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML DC JB BK
LADYBUG ML DC BK JB
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LASERMEAT BK
LAURA BK DC ML JB
LOSTPINES ML DC JB BK
LUCENT/TECH DC ML JB BK
LYONESSE BK
MAGNUM ML DC
MAJICALLY JB
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MARYLANDS ML
MASTBLAST BK JB DC ML
MAXIMAX JB
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK DC JB
MCDONALD BK
MERTLAMY DC ML BK JB
MESSAGE ML
METALLICA BK DC JB
MIDNIGHT DC JB ML BK
MIDNIGHT15 DC
MILESG ML DC
MOMINCOL ML DC
MONALOH DC JB BK ML
MONETARY ML DC JB BK
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MOONLIGHT DC ML JB BK
MOUSE1 JB
MTBMWITE ML DC JB
MYOBMBZ1EMP DC ML BK JB
MYSTI ML DC JB BK
NAGANO BK JB
NATURIST1 DC BK JB ML
NITRAM BK
NMB8UIO BK
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
NOBOZODIPS ML DC JB
NOKOHL DC
NOMOREGOBS BK
NONOTIME BK
NOSPAMERS DC
NOTDWAYNE BK
NOVELL DC JB BK
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
NUKEFROG DC ML
NYRANGERS JB DC
OAT66MAN BK
OGNOLAZY BK JB DC ML
OMMANIS ML DC JB BK
ONEAGLE DC JB
OS/400V3.4 BK JB DC ML
OSSBBS BK
PA-5-NODE DC
PACKARDS DC ML JB BK
PARAMEDIC BK JB
PASSTHISONE BK
PASSWORD3073 BK DC
PEANUT DC ML JB BK
PEPPER01 DC ML JB BK
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PEPSI BK
PICKLES ML
PINKEROONIE DC
PINKFLOYD BK
PIONEER ML
PLUSFOUR ML DC
PONTOON DC ML JB BK
PRIMESTAR BK
PROGRAM BK
PROMISE JB
PT2716FL BK DC JB ML
PUDDING ML DC JB
QUICKIEP JB BK
R80RT BK
RABBIT3 ML (1) ML DC
REACT BK
REDSARAH ML DC JB BK
REDWOLFPACK BK
RFC832 BK
RLEDC1 BK
ROBERTA ML DC
ROCKETSCIENCE DC JB
ROGIER BK JB ML
RONTOLDMETO ML
ROSE DC
ROSES! BK JB DC ML
ROTTWEILER BK DC JB
SAFE BK
SALMO BK
SANE4REALITY DC JB BK ML
SC2COUPE ML
SCHLITZ JB
SCORPIUS ML DC
SCREWS BK JB ML DC
SCYLLA BK DC JB ML
SEATREND DC
SERAMANDIAS DC BK
SEYCHELLES JB DC
SHEEPDIP ML DC JB BK
SIG2VOTE JB
SIGMAONE BK
SIGNAL ML BK
SIKMY ML DC JB BK
SILLINESS BK
SIMBA ML
SNERDLY BK
SOLIDROCK BK
SOYLENT BK DC
SPACEACE DC
SPECIFIC BK
SPITZBARTH DC ML JB
SQUIRT ML DC JB BK
SSBEER DC BK
STUPID JB DC
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
SYBHAMGK JB
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TAXTIME DC JB
TERRI BK
TESLA001 BK
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
THE-FUTURE DC JB BK
THEKING BK
TICKLEFOOT DC ML JB BK
TOADMAN BK
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
TSKTSKTSK DC JB ML BK
TURKEY ML DC BK
UPTOLATE ML DC
USAA DC ML
USAGIYO JB BK DC
VALHALLA JB
VERYLATE BK DC
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
VIKINGS BK DC ML JB
VILLAGE DC JB BK
VULGAR32 BK JB
W2KIN2000 BK
WARLORD BK JB
WARP3MRSULU BK ML
WHERE BK
WILDCARD BK JB DC
WILKEN ML DC JB BK
WOLFHYB JB
WOMBAT ML DC BK JB
WONDERBUNNY JB
WOOFWOOF BK
WOTMEWORRY DC
WPETSUCH BK
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
YEAR2000 ML DC JB BK
ZABBADO BK
ZAJADICI ML DC JB BK
ZELAZNEY BK JB DC
ZZYZX123 ML BK DC
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
FOOTNOTES:
(1) Invalid candidate listed
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
of the voting period.
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
is the time of the ballot.
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 56 2 Mar 1998
===================================================================
In Round 5 of the tallying, the breakdown is
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
====== ============= ==================
10 BK BK 49
11 BK ML 25
12 ML DC 23
13 DC TIED 8
14 DC
15 BK
16 DC
17 BK
18 BK
19 ML
ROUND 5 RESULTS
BALLOT STATISTICS:
==================
Total Ballots Cast : 324
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
=======
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
TALLYING RESULTS:
================
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
candidate listed.
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
1 2 3 4 5 6
===========================================
Valid Ballots : 316 315 311 298 277
===========================================
Required to win : 159 158 156 150 139
===========================================
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7 ELIM --- --- --- ---
===========================================
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54 57 60 65 72
===========================================
MIKE LUTHER 72 72 73 81 81
===========================================
JEFF SMITH 26 26 26 ELIM --- ---
===========================================
JIM BALCOM 31 31 31 31 ELIM ---
===========================================
JOHN GLINSKI 9 9 ELIM --- --- ---
===========================================
BOB KOHL 117 120 121 121 124
===========================================
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
===============================
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
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=================================
(NO PASSWORD) DC
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
10AACHENZEC BK ML DC
1326ELIZ BK DC ML
171HMB39 DC BK ML
18411 ML DC BK
349UIO DC
34U890890U ML
357LAWTOK ML DC
45048657 ML DC BK
5881TUBE BK
8890TAURUS ML
946253366 ML DC
9A701 DC ML BK
A4M3O6R1C DC
AAAPOST BK BK BK
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
AK322332 ML DC
ALADDIN DC BK ML
ALINCOLN2 ML DC
AMORPHIS BK
ANDROMEDA BK
ANIMALS DC ML BK
ANNAONE2 ML
ATCHAFALAYA BK ML
ATHENS BK
AUNIDIAL DC BK ML
BASEMENT BK
BEAR BK BK BK
BIGWIG ML DC BK
BINGLEJINGLE DC
BKJSJBJGDC BK DC
BLACKHOLE BK
BLACK BK
BLOSSOM ML
BNSFDSF1 BK
BOOGER ML DC
BOOKS BK
BR549369 DC ML
BRAVO BK DC ML
BTSVOTE DC
BUBBLES ML DC BK
BUGGYMUTHA ML DC
BULLPEN ML DC BK
BUM_RAP BK
BUNNIES3 ML DC BK
BURTONC ML
BYTEHEAD DC ML
CABINET BK
CABLECAR ML DC BK
CALADAN BK
CAMPAIGN98 BK DC
CARIBOU BK DC ML
CHEST DC
CLAWSON DC
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CLMBBSOMNI BK
CMBTARMS ML DC
CORDLESS ML DC BK
CREATIVE ML DC BK
CSID_HQ ML DC BK
CYGNUSX1 ML DC BK
D_P_S:4285 BK
DARKSTAR ML DC
DEI#3 BK
DILLYGAF BK
DIRECPC ML DC BK
DOGGINIT ML
DUFUS DC ML BK
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
E363 BK
EDNAMG ML DC BK
EILEEN BK
ELECT1 BK
ELMO DC
EMAILJUNKY ML
EREBUS ML DC
EREVER DC
ESUOHTUO BK
FAIRVIEW DC
FALLPON DC
FARFROMIT DC ML
FIDOELEC DC ML
FIDOGATE BK
FIREWATER BK
FLACT ML DC BK
FLAME_NOW BK
FNEEP ML DC BK
FOXWOOD DC ML
FRAMOUS DC ML
FRANKY DC
FROG BK
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
FUR_FACE DC ML BK
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK DC
GANDALF BK
GETTHEVOTE DC BK
GLIMMERMAN BK DC ML
GOBSMUSTGO BK
GOKOHL BK
GOLLY-GEE DC BK
GOODLUCK DC
GRELBER DC BK ML (1)
GRIM BK
GRYPHON ML DC
HAGGIE BK
HAMILTON BK
HAMMERBAND BK DC
HATAMOTO DC BK ML
HCS/ORCO BK ML DC
HEREWEGO DC ML BK
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HERMAN BK
HIDESYSOP ML DC
HIMALC DC ML
HISTORY ML DC BK
IBOGAINE ML DC BK
IC3DE1612 ML DC BK
IDOP0 BK DC ML
IMAVOTIN ML
IMPEACHCLINTON ML DC
INVICTUS ML DC BK
ISBBS DC
ISRAEL BK
IVOTED DC ML BK
IZZAMYVZ BK
JACLYN ML DC
JED106-977 ML DC
JUSENKYO ML DC
JUSTBOB BK DC
JUSTDOIT ML
KCUL_ON BK
KEEP8088STR8 BK
KEEPER DC ML
KIYOTI ML
KNOTKINGKOHL ML DC
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML DC BK
LADYBUG ML DC BK
LASERMEAT BK
LAURA BK DC ML
LOSTPINES ML DC BK
LUCENT/TECH DC ML BK
LYONESSE BK
MAGNUM ML DC
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MARYLANDS ML
MASTBLAST BK DC ML
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK DC
MCDONALD BK
MERTLAMY DC ML BK
MESSAGE ML
METALLICA BK DC
MIDNIGHT DC ML BK
MIDNIGHT15 DC
MILESG ML DC
MOMINCOL ML DC
MONALOH DC BK ML
MONETARY ML DC BK
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MOONLIGHT DC ML BK
MTBMWITE ML DC
MYOBMBZ1EMP DC ML BK
MYSTI ML DC BK
NAGANO BK
NATURIST1 DC BK ML
NITRAM BK
NMB8UIO BK
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
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NOBOZODIPS ML DC
NOKOHL DC
NOMOREGOBS BK
NONOTIME BK
NOSPAMERS DC
NOTDWAYNE BK
NOVELL DC BK
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
NUKEFROG DC ML
NYRANGERS DC
OAT66MAN BK
OGNOLAZY BK DC ML
OMMANIS ML DC BK
ONEAGLE DC
OS/400V3.4 BK DC ML
OSSBBS BK
PA-5-NODE DC
PACKARDS DC ML BK
PARAMEDIC BK
PASSTHISONE BK
PASSWORD3073 BK DC
PEANUT DC ML BK
PEPPER01 DC ML BK
PEPSI BK
PICKLES ML
PINKEROONIE DC
PINKFLOYD BK
PIONEER ML
PLUSFOUR ML DC
PONTOON DC ML BK
PRIMESTAR BK
PROGRAM BK
PT2716FL BK DC ML
PUDDING ML DC
QUICKIEP BK
R80RT BK
RABBIT3 ML (1) ML DC
REACT BK
REDSARAH ML DC BK
REDWOLFPACK BK
RFC832 BK
RLEDC1 BK
ROBERTA ML DC
ROCKETSCIENCE DC
ROGIER BK ML
RONTOLDMETO ML
ROSE DC
ROSES! BK DC ML
ROTTWEILER BK DC
SAFE BK
SALMO BK
SANE4REALITY DC BK ML
SC2COUPE ML
SCORPIUS ML DC
SCREWS BK ML DC
SCYLLA BK DC ML
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SEATREND DC
SERAMANDIAS DC BK
SEYCHELLES DC
SHEEPDIP ML DC BK
SIGMAONE BK
SIGNAL ML BK
SIKMY ML DC BK
SILLINESS BK
SIMBA ML
SNERDLY BK
SOLIDROCK BK
SOYLENT BK DC
SPACEACE DC
SPECIFIC BK
SPITZBARTH DC ML
SQUIRT ML DC BK
SSBEER DC BK
STUPID DC
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
TAXTIME DC
TERRI BK
TESLA001 BK
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
THE-FUTURE DC BK
THEKING BK
TICKLEFOOT DC ML BK
TOADMAN BK
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
TSKTSKTSK DC ML BK
TURKEY ML DC BK
UPTOLATE ML DC
USAA DC ML
USAGIYO BK DC
VERYLATE BK DC
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
VIKINGS BK DC ML
VILLAGE DC BK
VULGAR32 BK
W2KIN2000 BK
WARLORD BK
WARP3MRSULU BK ML
WHERE BK
WILDCARD BK DC
WILKEN ML DC BK
WOMBAT ML DC BK
WOOFWOOF BK
WOTMEWORRY DC
WPETSUCH BK
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
YEAR2000 ML DC BK
ZABBADO BK
ZAJADICI ML DC BK
ZELAZNEY BK DC
ZZYZX123 ML BK DC
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
FOOTNOTES:
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 62 2 Mar 1998
(1) Invalid candidate listed
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
of the voting period.
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
is the time of the ballot.
===================================================================
In Round 6 of the tallying, the breakdown is
REGION MOST VOTES TO MOST VOTES PER NET
====== ============= ==================
10 BK BK 60
11 BK ML 34
12 ML TIED 6
13 BK
14 TIED
15 BK
16 BK
17 BK
18 BK
19 ML
ROUND 6 RESULTS
BALLOT STATISTICS:
==================
Total Ballots Cast : 324
Total Invalid Ballots (See FOOTNOTE 2) : 8
=======
Total Beginning Number of Valid Ballots : 316
Ballots eliminated during tallying : 68
Total Ending Number of Valid Ballots : 248
TALLYING RESULTS:
================
NOTE: A VALID BALLOT is any ballot that meets the
ELIM = Eliminated election requirements and still has a valid
candidate listed.
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND
1 2 3 4 5 6
==========================================
Valid Ballots : 316 315 311 298 277 248
==========================================
Required to win : 159 158 156 150 139 125
==========================================
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 63 2 Mar 1998
WAYNE DELISLE, SR 7 ELIM --- --- --- ---
==========================================
DAVID CALAFRANSESCO 54 57 60 65 72 ELIM
==========================================
MIKE LUTHER 72 72 73 81 81 109
==========================================
JEFF SMITH 26 26 26 ELIM --- ---
==========================================
JIM BALCOM 31 31 31 31 ELIM ---
==========================================
JOHN GLINSKI 9 9 ELIM --- --- ---
==========================================
BOB KOHL 117 120 121 121 124 139
==========================================
PASSWORDS AND ASSOCIATED BALLOT
===============================
1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH 6TH 7TH
=================================
_ABOUT_TIME_TOO_ BK
10AACHENZEC BK ML
1326ELIZ BK ML
171HMB39 BK ML
18411 ML BK
34U890890U ML
357LAWTOK ML
45048657 ML BK
5881TUBE BK
8890TAURUS ML
946253366 ML
9A701 ML BK
AAAPOST BK BK BK
ACE5ACE5ACE BK
AK322332 ML
ALADDIN BK ML
ALINCOLN2 ML
AMORPHIS BK
ANDROMEDA BK
ANIMALS ML BK
ANNAONE2 ML
ATCHAFALAYA BK ML
ATHENS BK
AUNIDIAL BK ML
BASEMENT BK
BEAR BK BK BK
BIGWIG ML BK
BKJSJBJGDC BK
BLACKHOLE BK
BLACK BK
BLOSSOM ML
BNSFDSF1 BK
BOOGER ML
BOOKS BK
BR549369 ML
BRAVO BK ML
BUBBLES ML BK
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BUGGYMUTHA ML
BULLPEN ML BK
BUM_RAP BK
BUNNIES3 ML BK
BURTONC ML
BYTEHEAD ML
CABINET BK
CABLECAR ML BK
CALADAN BK
CAMPAIGN98 BK
CARIBOU BK ML
CLMBBSOMNI BK
CMBTARMS ML
CORDLESS ML BK
CREATIVE ML BK
CSID_HQ ML BK
CYGNUSX1 ML BK
D_P_S:4285 BK
DARKSTAR ML
DEI#3 BK
DILLYGAF BK
DIRECPC ML BK
DOGGINIT ML
DUFUS ML BK
DUMPBOFAQ BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
DUQUEPHUQER BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
E363 BK
EDNAMG ML BK
EILEEN BK
ELECT1 BK
EMAILJUNKY ML
EREBUS ML
ESUOHTUO BK
FARFROMIT ML
FIDOELEC ML
FIDOGATE BK
FIREWATER BK
FLACT ML BK
FLAME_NOW BK
FNEEP ML BK
FOXWOOD ML
FRAMOUS ML
FROG BK
FUNNY BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
FUR_FACE ML BK
FUTUREIC BK BK BK BK BK BK
GANDALF BK
GETTHEVOTE BK
GLIMMERMAN BK ML
GOBSMUSTGO BK
GOKOHL BK
GOLLY-GEE BK
GRELBER BK ML (1)
GRIM BK
GRYPHON ML
HAGGIE BK
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HAMILTON BK
HAMMERBAND BK
HATAMOTO BK ML
HCS/ORCO BK ML
HEREWEGO ML BK
HERMAN BK
HIDESYSOP ML
HIMALC ML
HISTORY ML BK
IBOGAINE ML BK
IC3DE1612 ML BK
IDOP0 BK ML
IMAVOTIN ML
IMPEACHCLINTON ML
INVICTUS ML BK
ISRAEL BK
IVOTED ML BK
IZZAMYVZ BK
JACLYN ML
JED106-977 ML
JUSENKYO ML
JUSTBOB BK
JUSTDOIT ML
KCUL_ON BK
KEEP8088STR8 BK
KEEPER ML
KIYOTI ML
KNOTKINGKOHL ML
KUR-IR-BUMBA ML BK
LADYBUG ML BK
LASERMEAT BK
LAURA BK ML
LOSTPINES ML BK
LUCENT/TECH ML BK
LYONESSE BK
MAGNUM ML
MARTIAN BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MARYLANDS ML
MASTBLAST BK ML
MBJDJWJ_LKGCSDB ML BK
MCDONALD BK
MERTLAMY ML BK
MESSAGE ML
METALLICA BK
MIDNIGHT ML BK
MILESG ML
MOMINCOL ML
MONALOH BK ML
MONETARY ML BK
MONITOR BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
MOONLIGHT ML BK
MTBMWITE ML
MYOBMBZ1EMP ML BK
MYSTI ML BK
NAGANO BK
NATURIST1 BK ML
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NITRAM BK
NMB8UIO BK
NO_BACKBONE_WEENIES BK
NOBOZODIPS ML
NOMOREGOBS BK
NONOTIME BK
NOTDWAYNE BK
NOVELL BK
NOVEMBER BK BK BK BK
NUKEFROG ML
OAT66MAN BK
OGNOLAZY BK ML
OMMANIS ML BK
OS/400V3.4 BK ML
OSSBBS BK
PACKARDS ML BK
PARAMEDIC BK
PASSTHISONE BK
PASSWORD3073 BK
PEANUT ML BK
PEPPER01 ML BK
PEPSI BK
PICKLES ML
PINKFLOYD BK
PIONEER ML
PLUSFOUR ML
PONTOON ML BK
PRIMESTAR BK
PROGRAM BK
PT2716FL BK ML
PUDDING ML
QUICKIEP BK
R80RT BK
RABBIT3 ML (1) ML
REACT BK
REDSARAH ML BK
REDWOLFPACK BK
RFC832 BK
RLEDC1 BK
ROBERTA ML
ROGIER BK ML
RONTOLDMETO ML
ROSES! BK ML
ROTTWEILER BK
SAFE BK
SALMO BK
SANE4REALITY BK ML
SC2COUPE ML
SCORPIUS ML
SCREWS BK ML
SCYLLA BK ML
SERAMANDIAS BK
SHEEPDIP ML BK
SIGMAONE BK
SIGNAL ML BK
SIKMY ML BK
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SILLINESS BK
SIMBA ML
SNERDLY BK
SOLIDROCK BK
SOYLENT BK
SPECIFIC BK
SPITZBARTH ML
SQUIRT ML BK
SSBEER BK
SWALLOW BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
TERRI BK
TESLA001 BK
TFS..1012 BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
THE-FUTURE BK
THEKING BK
TICKLEFOOT ML BK
TOADMAN BK
TOMJLIVES BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
TSKTSKTSK ML BK
TURKEY ML BK
UPTOLATE ML
USAA ML
USAGIYO BK
VERYLATE BK
VETBBS5 BK BK BK
VIKINGS BK ML
VILLAGE BK
VULGAR32 BK
W2KIN2000 BK
WARLORD BK
WARP3MRSULU BK ML
WHERE BK
WILDCARD BK
WILKEN ML BK
WOMBAT ML BK
WOOFWOOF BK
WPETSUCH BK
WYSIWYGOUT BK BK BK
YEAR2000 ML BK
ZABBADO BK
ZAJADICI ML BK
ZELAZNEY BK
ZZYZX123 ML BK
========================= END OF BALLOTS ===========================
FOOTNOTES:
(1) Invalid candidate listed
(2) An INVALID BALLOT was a ballot received that did not contain the
information as required by the election rules. Any person that
cast such a ballot was sent a netmail (or e-mail) message
informing them that their ballot was invalid and given the
opportunity to re-send the ballot with the required information.
If the person did not re-send the ballot with the required
information, then the ballot was declared invalid at the close
of the voting period.
FIDONEWS 15-09 Page 68 2 Mar 1998
An INVALID BALLOT was also a ballot received that was sent after
the voting deadline. For the purpose of routed netmail ballots,
the time the ballot entered the routing stream (first via line)
is the time of the ballot.
========================== END OF ELECTION RESULTS ===============
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 058
By Ward Dossche, 2:292/854
ZC/2
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
!Zone/Jul!Ndl-030!Nodel.-037!Nodel.-044!Nodel.-051!Nodel.-058!%%!
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
! 1/051 ! 6020 ! 5872 -148! 5872 0! 5828 -44! 5781 -47!27!
! 2/058 ! 14360 !14370 10!14384 14!14299 -85!14274 -25!67!
! 3/044 ! 566 ! 565 -1! 553 -12! 550 -3! 550 0! 3!
! 4/051 ! 410 ! 410 0! 406 -4! 403 -3! 403 0! 2!
! 5/037 ! 91 ! 87 -4! 87 0! 87 0! 87 0! 0!
! 6/044 ! 322 ! 322 0! 322 0! 322 0! 319 -3! 1!
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
! 21769 !21626 -143!21624 -2!21489 -135!21414 -75!
+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
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NOTICES
=================================================================
Future History
30 Apr 1998
Queens Day, Holland.
17 May 1998
Independence Day, Norway.
22 May 1998
Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.
14 Sep 1998
Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].
22 Sep 1998
First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.
1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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File-request FNEWSKEY from 1:1/23 [1:205/1701] or download it from
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=================================================================
This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
of this appearance.
NOTE: I am looking for a comprehensive list of Telnet, VMODEM, BinkP,
Argus and other TCP/IP based nodes operating FidoNet on the
InterNet, either by Zone or worldwide, to post here as well.
- Ye Editor
============
FidoNet:
Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc.htm
Echomail http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
General Info http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
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Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Region 13: http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm
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Region 16: http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm
Region 17: http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
REC17: http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/
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Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)
Region 25:
http://www.trak-one.co.uk/net254
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (in French)
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (in Swiss)
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (in Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4: (not yet listed)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------
Editor: Zorch Frezberg
Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
Donald Tees, Christopher Baker
"FidoNews Editor"
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more addresses:
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zorch@fidonews.org
zorch@qnis.net
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FidoNews Editor
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voice: 1-209-446-9038 [voice mail = 'blind' numbers not returned]
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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
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PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific
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back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSFnn.ZIP] for a
particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
current year [8], i.e., FNWSJAN8.ZIP for all the Issues from Jan 98.
Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
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The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
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There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
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