F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 18 4 May 1998
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Where does it end...and begin again?
Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. COLUMNS .................................................. 2
Zone 1 awash in radish frenzy, news at 11 ................ 2
3. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 5
DOC LOGGER is a SPACE MONKEY !!!! ........................ 5
4. NOTICES .................................................. 6
Future History ........................................... 6
5. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ...................................... 7
FidoNews PGP Public-Key Listing .......................... 7
6. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 8
Fidonet Via Internet Hubs ................................ 8
7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 11
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EDITORIAL
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There isn't a lot in this issue...outside my window, it's raining
during a storm that wasn't supposed to be here until this coming
Wednesday. Another El Nino artifact, I presume, modified by the
arrival this early morning of a Harrier jump jet for a series of
training exercises at the local National Guard air base.
For those of you who have never experienced a Harrier landing, be
prepared to dive for cover, as the noise generated is not unlike a
large airliner crashing into your living room...for about five
minutes.
One thing came to mind this visit, however...how is this plane to
"quietly" attack its targets? Or does it's strike speed make up for
it's lack of 'stealth'?
There's a message in there...just think it over a bit.
As things go, Zone 2 seems to have modified its "position", in that
Ward Dossche is no longer making noises of separating Zone 2 from the
rest of FidoNet...but then, he still doesn't want to allow any sort
of dissenting opinion to be posted along with his own messages.
To that end, a new echo called ZCC-DISCUSSIONS looks like it is being
formed to route around Ward's censorship. You might inquire about
the availability of the echo if you are interested in Zone and
International matters.
And, for the last time, I ask if anyone out there has a compiler for
Lattice C code, or a "translation" scheme to move the Lattice C code
to something a bit more 'useful' or 'relevant' to modern C or C++
compiles...please contact me at one of the addresses below.
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COLUMNS
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Dear Editorbeing,
This article is submitted by Doc Logger (1:163/110,
cherriot@magmacom.com) whose bleary eyes were caused by
creating new Map projections to satisfy the geographic
anomalies in Net163.
Roll da flic, Zorch....
Dear Reverend Visage,
The editors of Swamp Swine Magazine were a tadge concerned
about the recent photo essay you submitted. They said that
Sports Illustrated had already done the swimsuit issue theme
and they could hardly discern which audience would be
intrigued by scantily clad penguins. Did you send the right
box of slides?
Not much has happened on the Western Front this week other
than the fact that Bob "Noted" Satti used up a mere 37 words
of his quota last week so we can look forward to perhaps as
much as 54 stunning words of wisdom from him next week. I
posted the survey results in the usual elflord echos where
it served as a useful spacer between the avalanche of
Tannacore trophalactic effluvia and the Tom Cole Charm
School lessons. To his credit, Jerry Schwartz took the time
to question the validity of the survey but didn't quite
bring himself to say whether he disbelieved the results.
The elves in Net163's Sherwood Forest have added a node from
Edmonton and a node from Rhode Island to their merry band.
Needless to say, our lil' buddy Dallas Hinton has fired off
the usual pre-policy complaint inquiries. Hint for Blondes:
Yo Dallas, if NCs in your net weren't so busy threatening to
excise sysops from the nodelist, perhaps they'd be happier
to stay on as labourers in your Gulag. What is even more
amusing about this latest exchange of grapeshot is that,
after reading Bob "noted" Satti's last policy appeal
decision wherein Satti whinged about not being asked for a
geographic exemption; the NC-babe of net163 humoured him
with a request. Bob "Noted" Satti sat on his prehensile
thumbs and didn't deign to answer the request.
The much maligned Bob Kohl emerged from his bunker long
enough to post a series of incomprehensible responses to his
multitude of detractors. Of course, once his head was up
above the foxhole, he took it in the shorts again for having
violated the privacy of routed netmail. The RECs have
resolved not to call for Kohl's removal as the Z1EC, but
instead to ignore him in the hopes that he finds amusements
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more suited to his talents - like sanding wooden blocks, for
example.
Our prayers and our edible underwear should go out to the
multitude that is Zorch. Apparently one of his detractors
has alleged that more than one vote was cast by one warm
body in the Z1EC election. Zorch has stated that he has
enjoyed the suppositions which either indicates that his
detractors are sucking pipe, or else Zorch is suffering from
a radish deficiency. Maurice Kimal, who would have made a
great Young Republican when Nixon was clinging to his last
venal months of power, has chastised Zorch's detractors for
their "witch hunt tactics." His Zorchness recommended
reading Ayn Rand's naive capitalist anthem "Atlas Shrugged"
which I found amusing. Perhaps he would be delighted to know
that the modern era Hank Reardons are 22 year old
derivatives traders at Morgan Stanley who can pole-axe
national monetary policy with just a few, ill chosen trades.
For this week's Chautauqua I would like to include a pithy
quote from Wayne C. Booth's "Is There Any Knowledge That a
Man Must Have?" The issue arose in a personal way when I
noted that neither of my teenmonsters who are attending high
school have had to write a single essay in school this year.
My first and obvious conclusion was that they were being
adequately trained to become the next generation of echomail
participants where standards of literacy are no asset. In
the case of my teenmonsters, what concerns me about the lack
of essays was the more important issue of what sort of
critical abilities can they hope to achieve if they are
never compelled to use them. Anyway, here's Booth's
commentary:
"The man who has not learned anything about how to
understand his own intentions and to make them effective in
the world, who has not, through experience and books,
learned something about what is possible and what
impossible, what desirable and what undesirable, will be
enslaved by the political and social intentions of other
men, benign or malign."
Booth doesn't say it, but I also wonder if there is a more
prevalent ideology which suggests that the first preference
of people is *not* to have their feet held to the flames of
knowledge. Ignorance and irresponsibility are bedfellows.
>From experience I surmise that one of the cruelest torments
you can inflict on those who refuse to be educated is the
insistence that they be responsible. This is the fly in the
ointment of democracy because assuming an informed
electorate is fallacious. This truth is used by disparate
groups on the political spectrum. From the Dallas Hintons
who assert the sysops are too dumb to choose their own
masters, to the anarchists who assert that the only valid
compact is one between individuals. I favour the latter
reasoning but also recognize that between the choices of
totalism and democracy, the latter is the lessor evil.
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I must go Visage. I have promised to give a Theremin concert
for a roving pack of whales in Rivierre Du Loup this
evening. One has to take audiences wherever they can be
found, as you well know. I hope your secretary appreciated
the truckload of radishes that I thoughtfully had delivered
to her room.
Regards,
Doc Logger
Tuber Tranquillity Research Centre,
Furlang Island, South Pacific
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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
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DOC LOGGER is a SPACE MONKEY ... and works
undercover for N.A.S.A.!
NOT REALLY. Just kidding.
BUT.... now that I have your attention, why don't
you try some of these fine echos today:
the CFL echo:
Everything CFL: the Canadian Football
League.
the AMIGA_LC echo:
Fidonet's only echo exclusively for programming
the Amiga with C and C++.
the WELFARE echo:
For debating the systems of social
welfare (including Social Security) in
the United States and other countries,
alternatives to them, and associated
politics.
All of the above available on the North American Backbone
and distributed by the FidoSpine distribution system.
-- Ronnie L. Grant, 1:3603/140
or ronnie.grant@global.dyn.ml.org
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NOTICES
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Future History
17 May 1998
Independence Day, Norway.
22 May 1998
Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.
14 Sep 1998
Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].
22 Sep 1998
First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.
1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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NOTE: I am looking for a comprehensive list of Telnet, VMODEM, BinkP,
Argus and other TCP/IP based nodes operating FidoNet on the
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- Ye Editor
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