F I D O N E W S --       Volume 15, Number 19          11 May 1998
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               So Many Claims...So Little Time...

                        Table of Contents
     1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
     2. ARTICLES  .................................................  4
        North American Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr]  ...........  4
        Remembering Frank Ellermann of 2:240/5815  ................  5
     3. COLUMNS  ..................................................  8
        Louie, Louie, Satti's gotta go  ...........................  8
     4. NOTICES  .................................................. 11
        Future History  ........................................... 11
     5. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY  ...................................... 12
        FidoNews PGP Public-Key Listing  .......................... 12
     6. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 13
     7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  ..................................... 15
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                                 EDITORIAL
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     A few items of interest...

                        ==============================

     There are times when it is actually amusing to watch what happens
     in FidoNet, especially when certain individuals make attempts to
     prove a point, and don't realize what is in store for them.

     Doc Logger appears, again, having made an erroneous assumption in
     his previous column...it makes no difference and actually points out
     precisely the point I was indeed trying to make...and to answer his
     unspoken question, it takes me about seven hours to read the book.
     Doc did good...he just hasn't realized why yet.

                        ==============================

     And the "scorched earth" policy seems to be moving to a quick and
     earnest conclusion...

     John Souvestre has apparently decided to go for an "endgame" in
     making a direct challenge to the Z1EC, Bob Kohl, by making several
     accusations, including the claim that the Editor of the FidoNews
     has refused to post election results as submitted.

     Likewise, John has decided to join in the furor over my "true
     identity", and make claims that I have committed "voter fraud".

     As well, allegations of 'bribery' and 'payoffs' have been made.

     A pity that Mr. Souvestre is about to become the very foolish
     looking person that he has long been accused of being...and by his
     very own hand.

     I would, again, point out to John that the FidoNews publishes what
     is submitted to it...and the only "editing" done is to meet the
     margin requirements (which occasionally slip by...sorry, Michele!).

     As to the rest...

     Keep watching, everyone...this should prove to be highly
     entertaining.

                        ==============================

     This line with the mention of "Ward Dossche" is included to meet the
     alleged 'all-consuming devotion of the FidoNews Editorial' with Ward.
     As it is, Ward has not submitted his "Doomsday Countdown" for the
     last few weeks and, at his specific request, I am not publishing any
     copy of it without his permission.

                        ==============================
     FIDONEWS 15-19               Page 2                   11 May 1998


     However, to that end, it appears from tossing the nodediff here each
     week that it may indeed be time to look at the long-quelled and oft
     suppressed (or so several have said) requests from various sysops to
     establish a new Zone in FidoNet...Zone 7.

     The advantages are obvious...it significantly lessens the chances
     of tie votes in the ZCC; it balances the Zones and gives more direct
     representation to the sysops involved; and it reduces the chances of
     Regional Coordinators being drowned out when they wish to address
     issues of their areas.

     The downside of it is, of course, that the current "majority" in the
     confines of Zone 2 would likely be reduced to a comparable level
     with all other Zones, but what's more important...maintaining a
     majority, or enhancing and enabling representation closer to the real
     population?

     As well, with the advent of BinkD and ARGUS, it may be that the
     future center of new developments in FidoNet is shifting yet once
     again...

     An issue to consider for the ZCC, no doubt...along with another.

                        ==============================

     Yet another FTSC member has resigned from the group, citing some
     personal reasons.

     I believe this means we have lost a total of three FTSC members, but
     I can't be certain since I've seemingly been denied access to the
     FTSC echoes overall, even though I was elected to that body.

     As a member of FTSC, I've not been able to gain access to the FTSC
     Working Group echoes since these were established, and only five
     messages have passed through the main FTSC echo since these echoes
     were established.

     I'm certain that this is *merely* an oversight, but my queries as
     to where to get a feed from have been met with stony silence and
     a 'humorous' comment that I have been added to the SEEN-BY of every
     member's posts.

     Since I've received no real responses to my queries, I suppose that
     posting this here instead may garner a few more serious responses,
     no?

     Or, at the least, present a case for the ZCC to decide on the merits
     and usefulness of the newest incarnation of the FTSC.

     Communication doesn't work if it is only one way...

                        ==============================

     Next week, I will attempt to carry out something that hasn't been
     seen in the FidoNews in quite some time...a personal interview with
     another member of FidoNet in a face-to-face meeting.
     FIDONEWS 15-19               Page 3                   11 May 1998


     Let's see if we can meet before I say who and where...

                        ==============================

     And that's it...a few items of interest to consider, one and all.

     -zf-


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                                 ARTICLES
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     North American Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr]
     by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/40
     lisa@psg.com

     Summary of backbone & quasi-backbone echo changes during Mar & Apr.

     Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.

     diff (backbone.na + backbone.no) 01-Mar-98 03-May-98 [edited].

     Echotag name changes
     --------------------
     < CHANNELS            Channelled Msgs From Spirit Realms [old name]
     > CHANNELLING         Channelled Msgs From Spirit Realms [new name]

     < VEGAN               (not in EchoList since  2/1/98) [old name]
     > VEGETARIAN          Vegetarian Echo                 [new name]

     Added to the backbone
     ---------------------
     > ADSL                ADSL Modem Technology Support Conference
     > ALL-POLITICS        Politics Unlimited
     > AOP                 Association of Online Professionals Conference
     > CLASSIC_COMPUTER    Classic Computers 11/1/97)
     > CYBER_AUCTION       Cyber Auction echo
     > DCP                 Daycare Provider's Exchange
     > DEBATE_ON_ABORTION  Debate between Pro-Life and Pro-Choice
     > DEMOCRATS           Democratic Party policy and strategy
     > DRAKE               Discussion re R. L. Drake Communications Equip.
     > DTP                 Desktop Publishing discussion
     > FRUGAL              Frugal Lifestyle Discussion Conference.
     > GAMES4SALE          Games for sale
     > I&UK_GENE           Ireland & UK Genealogy
     > MILITARY            Military General Conference for all services
     > MOOSECHAT           Moose and Hoser "Canadian Humor" Chat
     > MS_WORD             Microsoft Word Users Support Conference
     > M_GRIPE             Gripe: The Mother of All Echos
     > NET_WIDE_CHATTER    ENTIRE FidoNet Network General Chat Area!
     > PARANORMAL          Paranormal discussions.
     > POST_POLIO          International Post-Polio Survivors Forum
     > SLEEP_APNEA         Sleep Apnea and Your Life
     > SOUTH_PARK          The Fido South Park Echo
     > SQAFIX              SqaFix Help and Information Echo
     > STEP_PARENT         Discuss issues relating to Step Parenting
     > STTOS               Star Trek: The Original Series discussions
     > WATERGATE           (low traffic since  4/1/98)

     Removed from the backbone or quasi-backbone
     -------------------------------------------
     < ABLENEWS            (low traffic since 12/1/97)
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     < AMIGA_CDROM         (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     < ARCHERY             (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     < ASP                 ASP (Association of Shareware Professionals)
     < AT&T                (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < BRIT_CAR            (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < COINS               (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     < DBASE               (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     < EDUCATOR            Discussion for Educators
     < EMERG_MANAGE        (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < EP-ANNOUNCE         (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     < EP-SYSOP            (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < FIDOWEB             (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < GEOWORKS            GeoWorks Ensemble Help Echo
     < GRAND_ROUNDS        (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < HP                  (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < JEWISHGEN           Jewish Genealogy Conference
     < JFK_ASSN            (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < JOURNAL             (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < KLINGON_RPG         (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < KOMBUCHA            (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < LAND                Land of Devastation Echo
     < LEGAL_LAW           (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     < MTN_BIKE            (low traffic since 12/1/97)
     < MW_GENE             (not in EchoList since  2/1/98)
     < NEXUS               (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     < PCUG                (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < QUOTES_2            (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < RACING_SIMS         (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < ROK                 Realm of Kisom Support
     < SALVATION_ARMY      (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < SB-SOLAR_RPT        (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < SENIOR_CLASS        (low traffic since  2/1/98)
     < SF&ANIME_RPG        Sci-Fi & Anime Role Playing Games
     < SHINING*STAR        (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     < SIP_NA              (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < SIP_SURVIVOR        (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     < STOP_SMOKING        (low traffic since 10/1/97)
     < TAGMULTI            (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < TEL_TECH            (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < TOTT_SOS            (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < TRANSAMIGA          (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     < TREK_FOR_SALE       (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < WC4_32BIT           (low traffic since  9/1/97)
     < WP-CRAFT            (low traffic since 11/1/97)
     -----------------------------------------------------------------
     o There are 662 echos in backbone.na [03-May-98] (down 12)
     o There are 90 echos in backbone.no [03-May-98] (down 7)
     o for a total of 752 backbone & quasi-backbone echos (down 19)


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     Remembering Frank Ellermann of 2:240/5815
     by Wulf Krueger, 2:2437/209

     FIDONEWS 15-19               Page 6                   11 May 1998


     Only a few of you out there will have noticed what has happened
     in Nodelist 114. One of us has finally dropped from the Nodelist
     after having been down for around 5 months. Why do I mention this
     fact? Many nodes are leaving today daily.

     Frank Ellermann, formerly known as 2:240/5815, was a very special
     person. He had excellent skills in FidoNet techniques; IMHO he
     was one of the most brilliant among us. He has been actively
     developing FSCs (now known as FSPs) and he wrote small piece of
     FTN software himself. But there was much more to him..

     Frank was not only an excellent technician but he was an out-
     standing personality. He was a very kind and gentle person. We
     all know our common ways in FidoNet today - bashing and throwing
     dirt at each other. I have never seen him writing such mails.
     Frank always tried to see the "bright side of life" and the
     bright side of every single person - even if it was someone he
     did not like. Even when he was attacked himself he never chose
     to flame back, he took it with much humour. For this behaviour
     he was widely respected by those who knew him. Even those who
     critisized him respected him as a person.

     Frank wrote long mails (he was famous for that, too,
     Frank "Ellenlang" ;) ) about FTN, about democratic principles in
     FidoNet and (sometimes) about life in general.
     He was one of the authors of the local policy of R2:24, the so-
     called RegPol24 which IMHO helped us very much to establish
     democratic principles in R2:24. He has given much advice to
     the current ZC2, Ward Dossche, myself and many others - to anyone
     who asked him.

     Frank always seemed to be full of joy though he was not the kind
     of person to show his personal feelings to anyone. I knew him
     for several years and learned to interpret his words quite well,
     we became very good friends in fact. Indeed, I consider him
     having once saved my life.

     Frank joined FidoNet late in 1994 and became a node in 1995.
     Now Frank has completely disappeared and it really hurts me and
     makes me feel bad. When Frank had to go down in the middle of
     Decembre 1997 we both hoped that he would come up again. I spoke
     to him on the 15th of January this year and as always he sounded
     very good. :-)
     Since that day I have lost any contact. Frank has no telephone
     anymore and he doesn't answer my letters. When I tried to visit
     him he did not answer the door bell. I hope and I suppose he is
     physically well but having lost him as a fellow node and, which
     is much harder for me, as a good friend is very sad but it's his
     decision.

     Concerning his FSCs I ask Odinn Sorensen, chairman of the new
     FTSC, to take Frank's submission as *public domain*. This is
     what Frank wanted if his node was removed from the Nodelist to
     make sure that they could be improved by others who take up his
     good work and I want this to come true to honour him.

     FIDONEWS 15-19               Page 7                   11 May 1998


     I ask all you others out there, those of you how knew him, those
     of you who have read his name in FTSC_PUBLIC or elsewhere and all
     others, to remember him, to take up where he had to stop, to try
     to take him as an example of how to communicate with others.
     FidoNet could be much more human and much more fun then.

     At least I will always remember him and I wish him the best of
     luck.

     If you should, by any means, get to read this, Frank, I hope you
     will remember my words in one of our last netmails.
     I miss you.

     Wulf Krueger of 2:2437/209

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                                  COLUMNS
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     Dear Editorbeing,

     This missive is submitted by Doc Logger (163/110) who was
     busy trying to sort out whether Hans Mangold really exists,
     or whether he is just another one of Zorch's pseudos...or
     maybe it was the other way around.

     Roll da flic, Zorch....

     Dear Reverend Visage,

     This may turn out to be a shorter epic than usual because
     the squid are mating in the lagoon and I can tell you there
     there is no finer daiquiri than that which is made from
     squid eggs, fresh bananas, and some of the local potent
     alcoholic beverages. This is one of those seasonal rarities
     where I give in to indolence and forgo the usual educational
     discussions with the Giant Clams.

     This week, the ace Nodelist detectives went rangy when they
     discovered that even more souls had fled to the Sherwood
     Forest sanctuary of Net163. First moron up to the plate was
     good ole' Dallas Hinton who whined " I wish to protest most
     strongly you allowing yet another private node from out of
     the Net 163 geographic area. ... As required by policy, I am
     writing to you to discuss the problem before taking any
     other steps. I await your reply at your earliest
     convenience." Alas poor Dallas still doesn't get it. The
     node in question asked to join our net because he felt that
     he was being harassed by his NC and could get no joy from
     Hinton.

     Next up, striving to outdo even Hinton for idiocy was  Tom
     Hall (1:342/1) "I am therefore forced to conclude that the
     following represents a violation of Policy4, and if this
     violation is not reversed in a timely fashion, then I shall
     file a formal policy complaint with you over the action of
     your NC." Hint for Blondes there Tom: Stop abusing your
     nodes and maybe they'd actually want to stay in your net.

     And finally, batting clean-up and as usual, dumber than
     squid, we heard from Bob "Noted" Satti who said: "I don't
     recall granting you a geographical exemption for nodes from
     Edmonton and Rhode Island. NOW he is saying that he will
     stay in net 163 because you folks 'want him to'. THAT isn't
     a good enough reason. Please clean up your net segment. You
     don't have a single geographical exemption from me, and so
     there shouldn't be any out of area nodes in your segment.
     It's not as if you weren't given fair warning that I would
     be watching your segment." Poor Bob doesn't get it either.
     FIDONEWS 15-19               Page 9                   11 May 1998


     If he'd quit sitting on his thumbs and install a little
     accountability among his elflords, there really wouldn't be
     a need to have nodes joining Net163. Hint for Blonde Bobs:
     With respect to your demand to "clean up the net segment",
     piss off and go away. When you get a mandate to do anything
     other than clerk the nodelist, then perhaps we'll sit in
     rapt attention at your semiliterate grumblings.

     And finally, a rather long quote taken from an ancient
     Fidonews, written by Tom Jennings.

     "    FidoNews 6-33 Page 11  14 Aug 1989

          How Did This Happen?
         Tom Jennings 1:125/111

     Let's  keep  this simple:  at no time  have  the sysops of
     our FidoNet  network given /0's the privilege of determining
     how  our network  is  run. They  are not representatives of
     anyone  but themselves;  they  are  merely  administrative
     nodes to generate nodelist  fragments,  help new  sysops
     get  online  and  act  as repositories of the necessary
     network  files.   They are ordinary nodes with more work to
     do.

     A  dangerous thing has been attempted,  and  is  undermining
     the trust that we rely on.  "POLICY4" is simply not in
     effect, it was not voted upon by the members at large.  I,
     and many many others, are simply ignoring the supposed
     policy "change".  How  did  this happen?

     POLICY4  is terrible policy.  It takes the right to  choose
     your own net host way!  It entrenches /0's as positions of
     authority. This is  insane  and  does  not facilitate our
     communications.  A "smoothly running network"  is  not  our
     goal;    we are here to communicate, that is all.    We do
     that well now.  Even voting on POLICY4 is insane, it
     certainly  will  not benefit the 6000 or so sysops in the
     network!

     I've  had  FidoNet  users  tell  me    that  their  host
     doesn't automatically route them their host-routed mail.
     This  was  the most  basic  purpose of a net host to  begin
     with!    The  whole concept  of  host-routing  was to make
     FidoNet more effecient  by concentrating calls!

     Anyways,  If  a  few-dozen  or  -hundred  /0's  can vote,
     then  a few-thousand can represent themselves just as
     simply.  So what if it takes a long time, expediency is not
     a goal.  If we don't have the tool(s), write  them  or do it
     by hand.  Freeze a nodelist as the  "list of registered
     voters".    Have  everyone  send  in  a message.  Check them
     off the list.  Hold redundant votes, compare results.  Give
     it a month.    The net runs fine, there is no need to
     implement bad policy just to satisfy some bureaucratic
     urge!"
     FIDONEWS 15-19               Page 10                  11 May 1998


     This is no real Chautauqua in this week's column other than
     the one that juxtaposes Satti and Hinton's lunacies against
     the words of Tom Jennings. Being an incurable optimist, I
     believe that we'll eventually return to the point where
     Fidonet exists solely as a cooperative effort among sysops
     and not as the fiefdom of Satti and his fartcatchers in the
     RCC.

     I must go Visage, the tide is turning which means that I'll
     be battling the Fiddler crabs for the rum if I don't hurry.
     Sorry about your car. How was I supposed to know that the
     shocks would give out after I'd loaded it with a mere 20
     tonnes of concrete?

     Regards,
     Doc Logger
     Furlang Island,
     South Pacific


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                                  NOTICES
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                                Future History

     17 May 1998
        Independence Day, Norway.

     22 May 1998
        Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.

     14 Sep 1998
        Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].

     22 Sep 1998
        First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.

      1 Dec 1998
        Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
        Tom Jennings.

     24 Jul 1999
        XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

     31 Dec 1999
        Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

      1 Jan 2000
        The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

      1 Jun 2000
        EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

     15 Sep 2000
        Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

      1 Jan 2001
        This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

     -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
        Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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                            FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY
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                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
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     This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
     of this appearance.

     NOTE: I am looking for a comprehensive list of Telnet, VMODEM, BinkP,
           Argus and other TCP/IP based nodes operating FidoNet on the
           InterNet, either by Zone or worldwide, to post here as well.
                                        - Ye Editor

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     FidoNet:

      Homepage    http://www.fidonet.org
      FidoNews    http://www.fidonews.org             [HTML]
                  http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html  [ASCII]
      WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
      FTSC page   http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
      Echomail    [MIA]
      WebRing     http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html  [TFN]
      General     http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html

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     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org

       Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

       Region 13:  http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm

       Region 14:

       Region 15:

       Region 16:  http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm

       Region 17:

       Region 18:  http://techstop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://www.compconn.net

     ============

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org

     ZEC2:
     Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/

       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)

       Region 25:
                   http://www.trak-one.co.uk/net254

       Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb


       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (in French)

       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (in Swiss?)

       Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)

       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (in Spanish)
           REC34:  http://pobox.com/~chr

       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)

       Region 48:  http://www.fidonet.org.pl

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     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

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     Zone 4:       (not yet listed)

       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)

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     Zone 5:       http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

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     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org

       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)

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