F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 29 20 July 1998
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"This edition published under duress."
Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2
Dave Beach's Survey (Methodology) ........................ 2
Dave Beach's Survey (Results) ............................ 2
New Fidonet Internet Chat Page ........................... 3
An announcement of a Party! .............................. 4
3. COLUMNS .................................................. 6
The Fidoserf's are revolting ............................. 6
4. WE GET EMAIL ............................................. 9
5. NOTICES .................................................. 11
Future History ........................................... 11
6. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ...................................... 12
FidoNews PGP Public-Key Listing .......................... 12
7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 13
8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 16
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EDITORIAL
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There are times when there are no words to define or distinguish an
event or occurrence.
Rather than a 'middle path', we watch as Fido in Zone 1 swings to one
extreme, rather than one of moderation.
History does indeed repeat itself.
-zf-
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ARTICLES
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Dave Beach's Survey - An Observation on the Methodology
by Jerry Schwartz, 1:142/928
Dave Beach's recent survey of RC10 sysops underscores the
difficulty of using polls to judge public opinion on
controversial matters.
First of all, a survey such as this depends upon self-selection:
only those who want to respond, for whatever reason, are counted.
The fat, dumb, and happy rarely exert themselves to express their
apathy. Professional pollsters take special measures to correct
for this problem, such as contacting a sample of the
non-respondents face to face to judge their sentiments.
Second, two questions which are actually getting at the same
point may be answered very differently, depending upon the
phrasing. My favorite example is the way people react to "Would
you want to see your tax dollars used to help the unemployed?"
vs. "Do you think the government should take money from you and
give it to people who don't work?"
In Dave's survey, 83.9% of the respondents said that they agreed
with the way their NC cast his vote; 87.1% felt that they'd been
adequately consulted by their NC prior to the vote; but 74.2% are
unhappy with the results. There are many possible explanations
for this contradiction, but unfortunately we have no way of
knowing what's really going on. Did people for some perverse
reason want their NC to vote for someone they didn't want to win?
Was the winner considered the lesser of two evils? Did different
people respond to each question?
Third, when interpreting the results of the survey it is easy to
undercut the statistical results by quoting opposing comments.
Of the 83.9% who agreed with the way their NC voted, did none of
them comment? (The only two comments quoted were negative.)
And fourth, the results of a survey can be skewed by people's
perception of the pollster. Try dressing as a Catholic priest
and asking people if they believe that all religions deserve
respect; then try dressing like Ozzie Ozborne and asking the same
question.
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Dave Beach's Survey - An Observation on the Results
by Jerry Schwartz, 1:142/928
My other article comments upon the difficulty of finding out what
people really think by the strikingly simple but profoundly
difficult technique of asking them. This article deals with the
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reported results.
In his introductory editorial paragraphs, Dave refers to Bob
Satti as being "maintained in office with the support of
unelected, appointed Regional Coordinators"; but within the body
of the survey he asks "Are you aware that it's common practice in
other Regions to have direct sysop voting for the RC position?" I
haven't seen the survey itself, so I presume that the editorial
comments were added when the results were prepared; but even so,
this suggests a contradiction: is it common practice for RCs to
be elected directly by sysops, or are the RCs largely unelected
as Dave implies?
Also, there have been repeated charges that Bob Kohl has so
strangled the flow of information within Region 10 that the
sysops are being kept unaware of what is going on; yet 80.6%
reported being aware of both a recent PC filed against Bob Kohl
and the actions of the RECC. That is odd.
83.9% of the responding sysops agree with the way their Network
Coordinator voted. Whatever else that means, it says pretty
clearly that the NCs did not contravene the wishes of those they
represented. Regardless of whether you believe in direct or
representative democracy, this survey doesn't suggest that the
results would have been different if the sysops had voted
directly.
Nonetheless, only 12.9% of the responding sysops are satisfied
with the results of the election. As I said in my other article,
there's no way of knowing why this discrepancy arose. Of all of
the results compiled, this is the most troubling statistic. Does
it mean that people don't think Bob Kohl has done a good job, but
they want to give him a second chance? Does it mean that they
don't like Bob Kohl, but they like his opponent even less? Does
it mean that they aren't satified with Bob Kohl, but were afraid
to take a chance on any change? Does it mean that there is some
odd statistical corner case which reconciles all of these
numbers?
Finally, 80.6% of the respondents answered that they didn't need
their identities to be kept confidential; yet the one comment
which was selected for quotation implied (as has been said over
and over again by Bob Kohl's opponents) that anyone who speaks
out in Region 10 is marked for excommunication.
We should be very careful about letting our preconceptions guide
us when reading these tea leaves. No one of the questions gives
anything like a complete picture of the situation; and taken
together, they are a mass of contradictions. As such, they may
well represent the opinions they were intended to illuminate.
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FidoChat
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by Dave Meikle (david.meikle@sodbbs.camelot.co.uk , 2:258/69)
Last week I developed my web page @ members.xoom.com/Rebeljambo/
to Run Realtime Java chat so everyone with access to the internet can
chat about Fidonet online. I thought this would be a good idea so we
can all have a say. I am also setting up a PowWoW confrence so anyone
with powWoW can chat as well. Please logon and give it a try. As for
the PowWoW I will arange a time so everyone that wants to can logon.
Dave
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A PARTY!!
Paul Lentz 1:124/5025
Region19's Poor Man's FidoCon and River Party XI
July 25-26, 1998 on the Guadalupe River in Texas
Every year Region19 throws a party so every fidonet member can get a
chance to see an RC with a beer in each hand, to show and tell the
most massive hardrive ever made just before seeing who can toss it
the farthest, to listen to tall tales from Wheeties, and to have a
general good time. We'd like to invite everyone in Fidonet to come
and join us 19ers in the fun!
The Place?
Whitewater Sports. This is a campground/tube rental place located on
the Guadalupe River where it dumps out of Canyon Lake, just
North of New Brunsfels, Texas, and roughly halfway between Austin and
San Antonio on I-35. The place is pretty big with lots of spaces for
tents and RVs, with about 75 acres to fill up. Reservations aren't
required, and they have always said that a large group should not be
a problem.
There are "rustic" bathroom facilties (if memory serves me correctly)
including hot showers and there is a small store there for a few
scant essentials you might need. If you really need supplies, you
would probably be better off bringing them with you.
The Attraction?
Nice cold water! The water comes straight out of the bottom of a very
deep lake, and flows at this location around a great mile or so
horseshoe. This means you can drag your tube from the campsite up the
main road about a quater mile, get in and liesurely float around to
the campground again, and plus there are a couple of places where the
water runs a little bit faster so's you can get dumped out of the
tube and into the water.
Added Attraction?
New Brunfels Texas is close-by and we might wanna run into town for
some of their great German food on Saturday night.
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Directions?
First... Get your butt to Texas! :-) From I-35 exit at EXIT 191
CANYON LAKE 306. Go NW on 306 about 12 miles till you see Whitewater
Sports on the right just before a bridge. Look around for us! One of
us will have a crude hand painted sign that will let you know who we
are.
For a few pictures of last years party see Ron Bemis's Web page at
http://www.iain.com/~rbemis/
also for a couple of pictures and link to a map of the area see
http://www.startext.net/np/net124/pmfc&rp.htm
Info and Rules:
$15 per vehicle per night (tent)
$18 per vehicle per night with electricity (wimps)
$6 per day plus a $5 deposit to rent a tube
$8 per day plus a $10 deposit to rent a tube with a bottom thingy
The Phone number at Whitewater Sports is 830-964-3800
NO PETS are allowed at Whitewater Sports so leave your real Fido at
home.
NO LOUD NOISE is allowed at Whitewater Sports after 10pm.
NO GLASS or STYROFOAM is allowed in the river.
There is work going on at the dam and recent rains or lack thereof is
effecting water levels as regulated by the Army Corps of Engineers.
It is customary for them to bring the flow up to around 300 cfs on
weekends to keep the fun going though. Whitewater suggests that if
the water level is really important to you, that you call them before
hand as they can update you.
COMPUTERS AND RADIOS are discouraged (they'll probably end up in the
river).
Beer and Bratwurst is highly encouraged.
Bringing Single unattached female friends with low tolerence for
alcohol is highly encouraged.
Clothes may or may not be required (check your mirror).
Those funky "Lake Shoes" and sunblock are recommended.
San Marcos and San Antonio are not too far away so any Hotel/Airport
WEENIES should be able to find accomadations/transport
allowing them to attend.
Hope to see everybody there!
*Paul*
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COLUMNS
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Dear Editorbeing,
This article was submitted by Doc Logger(163/110) who
managed to spend a whole week at home. The front lawn of his
house was choked with Ilana vines and a small community of
badgers had taken up residence on the front porch.
Roll da flic, Zorch....
Dear Reverend Visage,
There were a couple of approaches I could take to the events
of the last week. My first inclination was to gloat and
assert that a victory had been achieved but in practical
terms what has unfolded has more tragic dimensions.
In a nutshell, the events of the past week are as follows. A
whole net in Region10 pulled up stakes and moved to
Region12. They did so because they could no longer
countenance the behaviour of Bob Kohl. When the new entries
in the nodelist were published, Satti responded almost
immediately and demanded of the Region12 RC that the nodes
be removed from the Region12 segment. Satti went further and
said that if the R12C didn't remove the refugees, that Satti
would edit the nodelist segment himself. In response,
Region12 prepared to issue an entirely new nodelist which
would have corrected any editing attempts by Satti. When
several of the backbone echomail distributors and the Z2C
agreed to distribute the new nodelist, Satti was
emasculated. For the first time since the Peefour brigands
hijacked Fidonet, the sysops were able to make Satti
irrelevant and refuse to be bullied by his idiocy.
Whether Satti responded to the speeding train, or whether he
independently changed his mind makes little difference. The
Region10 refugees graciously accepted Satti's offer of a
geographic exemption which obviated the need for a nodelist
showdown. Satti's lack of management skills as the issue
unfolded are only a minor part of the tragedy.
The real issue is what became of Bob Kohl, who started out
as a sysop, and who eventually held some of the highest
titles in Zone 1 (being both an RC and the ZEC.) It appears
that Kohl will lose both titles in the coming week. The
question that puzzled me was: How could Bob have gone from
being a helpful sysop (as accounts of his earlier Fidonet
existence attest) to one of the most odious miscreants on
the landscape? I think the answer to the question lies in
the same realm that explains the behaviour of Richard Nixon.
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Both Kohl & Nixon lacked the sense of self-worth requisite
to ignoring the urge for retribution against their enemies.
They mistook attainment of power for the need to act
responsibly. Like Nixon, Kohl had sycophantic toadies
leading him to acts of venality. And like Nixon, Kohl
believed that those who exposed his egregious behaviour were
enemies of Fidonet.
Another part of the tragedy is that we have seen David
Bowerman labouring in the Z1C echo, like Ron Ziegler,
trying to justify the notion that *Cs have the right screw
sysops because Peefour grants those powers. What is missing
from Bowerman's messages is a sense that ethics and justice
are overriding concerns that ought to take a primary place
to a slavish adherence to policy. Bowerman was calling on
the R12C to resign because messages from Satti threatening
nodes in region12 had been crossposted into the regional
echo. Bowerman didn't see the irony in the fact that only
despots fear having their actions publicized. It is more
than a little pathetic to see relics of Satti's regime cling
by their fingernails in the fading days of their abuse of
Fidonet.
I'm going to digress a bit and gum a few mashed bananas
about the ancient days when I was NC of our net. I was
elected in a fractious period where the newly foisted
Peefour was used by every mouthbreathing cretin with an ax
to grind. I campaigned on the statement that anyone who
filed a policy complaint was de facto, "too easily annoyed"
and that Peefour was not the law of Fidoland. The relevant
part of this reminiscing has to do with the use and abuse of
power. There was a sysop in our net who whined incessantly
about everything and filed policy complaints on an almost
weekly basis. This individual would dutifully quote every
obscenity he found and then demand that something be done to
clean up Fidonet. I truly loathed the man, particularly
since he was one of the first in our net to quote every
message like a crack-crazed banshee. One day it occurred to
me that as NC, and if I accepted the cretin's notions of
Peefour, that I could bounce him from the net. I was sorely
tempted. The temptation and the fact that I spent a few
nanoseconds contemplating action led me to conclude that the
powers granted to *Cs under Peefour was a poisonous and
almost irresistible slide towards the wrong sort of
management.
Our net had a subsequent NC who wasted no time at all on
using his presumed powers to attempt revenge on his enemies.
That NC was eventually recalled by a sysop level vote when
the excesses became too great to stomach.
The point of this reminiscing is that in nets or regions
with no democratic traditions, the tendency for power to
corrupt absolutely is quite severe. Both Kohl and Satti
succumbed to the inevitable because they both slavishly
adhere to Peefour which is a document which guarantees their
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isolation from accountability.
In an ideal world, Satti would recognize that he has lost
the confidence of a large part of Zone 1 and call a sysop
level election for a replacement. I have little faith that
Satti will recognize political reality and expect that he
will continue to blunder his way through another set of
profound management errors. It has been months since Satti
posted messages in the Z1C echo and it appears that he will
keep hiding in his bunker, sheltered from reality.
I must go Visage, Bob Moravsik has invited me to play in the
"Budfoon's Tuba Marching Band" and you know how insanely
jealous he gets when someone disrupts his bottom-feeding
frenzies. I shall make your apologies for being unable to
attend Walloonetta's graduation ceremonies and explain that
the amount of Kava you ingested left you immobile for the
whole week.
Regards,
Doc Logger,
Furlang Island,
South Pacific
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WE GET EMAIL
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:12:17 -0400
From: ArnieS <ArnieS@prodigy.net>
To: Zorch Frezberg <editor@fidonews.org>
Subject: Fido1528 Bob Kohl Article: "Story of Statistics"
Letter to the Editor:
I began reading Bob Kohl's article. When I read:
"I'm sure that Dave couldn't possible accept the fact that there are
many NCs in Reg 10 that seem to little if any problems in the way
Reg 10 has worked these past years."
my concentration began to wane. I've only now divined "that seem to
little if any problems" translates to "that see few if any problems".
That took several minutes and I'm still not sure my translation is
correct.
I pressed on. In his next paragraph I read:
"It's interesting to note that Dave little submission to the Snooze
and in the echos runs almost on a par with those of Spiro Agnew many
years ago."
At this point my mind boggled and came to a halt. I've been reading
Spiro Agnew for years and echoes and this newsletter for years.
Never have I read anything by Agnew in an echo or this newsletter.
Thank you for publishing this article by Bob Kohl. I never did get to
the statistics. I won't be reading any more Bob Kohl.
--
...Arnie in the Hudson Valley town of Hurley, NY.
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Subject: your editorial of 13 July
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:29:25 -0700
From: "David Hallford" <hallford@thevision.net>
To: <editor@fidonews.org>
Hi Zorch,
I don't have any old messages hanging around to check with since
I don't archive, but I beleive I said that I wouldn't return to
Region10 while Bob Kohl was RC10. I may be wrong, but that's what I
remember.
If you wish to accuse me of something I think you would be better
off talking about the 2 times i returened to Region 10 while Bob Kohl
was RC10.
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The 1st time I used your real name to mess with your serenity since
you persist in attacking people while hiding behind an alias.
The 2nd time was to support the opposition candidate in an
election. Within 6 hours of the nodelist coming out, Bob Kohl had
notified everyone that I was not to have a feed to R10SYSOP. I guess
he didn't want any opposition to him, or any support for the other
candidate voiced where the region could see it.
take care,
Dave
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NOTICES
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Future History
25 Jul 1998
SUPCon, Swedish FidoNet Convention at Sannabaden,
Jankaping, Sweden.
14 Sep 1998
Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].
22 Sep 1998
First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.
1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
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FidoNet:
Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
Echomail [pending]
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Region 13: none
Region 14: none
Region 15: none
Region 16: none
Region 17: none
Region 18: http://techstop.pdn.net/fido/
Region 19: http://www.compconn.net
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ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
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Region 25:
http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (Swiss?)
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4: http://www.altern.org/zone4
Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
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and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
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