F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 36 7 September 1998
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
Why Fido is at risk? - by Adriano Garcia ................. 2
The Shrinking Nodelist - an optimist's view .............. 3
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 5
North American Backbone Echo Changes ..................... 5
4. COLUMNS .................................................. 6
Last chance for your Scientology refunds? ................ 8
5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 10
Dark Side of the Farce - Fido stars at war ............... 10
6. NOTICES .................................................. 12
7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 14
8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 17
FIDONEWS 15-36 Page 1 7 Sep 1998
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,
Last weeks editorial about the ECHOLIST, did bring in a few netmails
and e-mails, for which I thank you.
All made some form or another comment, in that those echo's which
do not form part of FidoNet, are gated between the 'othernet' and
FidoNet, hence being listed. Should the listing then also not
display the gateway address, so that those who would like to obtain
it, can make contact?
Lekker lees.
(Happy reading).
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Sep 1998
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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Why Fido is at risk?
by Adriano Garcia (former 4:801/53) adriano@visaonet.com
When the Internet started to be as widespread as it is today,
many people asked: "What is the future of FidoNet?". This question
has no simple answer, but many factors may prove that Fido was
doomed before the expansion of the commercial Internet.
Let's start with a small personal biography: I was a sysop in
Sao Paulo, Brazil back in 1993, when Fido was growing exponentially
there and many things that I will expose here are commonplace for
many of our readers.
First, and foremost, the main factor that scares people away from
helping the grow of Fidonet are the power trips. And they are present
in different flavors to please everyone. One example: for a long time,
before I joined Fido, local sysops were barred from entering Fido just
because it was a `qualified network' that should be run only by the
'best sysops'. Not for everyone. And the criteria used to determine
who were the `best' were subjective, being the level of friendship
with any *C a decisive factor.
It's also a reality that Policy4 isn't what we could call a
"democratic rule", but the same law can be interpreted differently
by two different persons. That's why we have courts. But, when
the person that enforces it is the same one that decides what
is right, then we have a problem. Or a dictatorship, if you prefer.
The last moment of growth of Fidonet Brazil was stopped by the first
"ideological cleansing" of the history of cyberspace in South
America. Many nodes were excommunicated just because they thought
differently from the newly appointed RC of 1994. The curious about
it is that the ones excommunicated had the same ideas of democracy
and development of Fido that the RC had before being nominated...
Now things seems to be getting back to normality, with another RC in
place. But who will tell this to the many who closed down their
systems just because it became one more problem instead of a pleasure?
And what about the sysops who wish to return as mail-only nodes or
point systems and cannot because nodes are charging big money for
mail or because *Cs do not assign mail-only nodes anymore, even
when there isn't a local BBS in the area?
Now we have the Internet. And people say that Fidonet is a "competing
network", with the Internet. An it's not. Fido is supposed to be an
amateur network where people communicate and participate as a
hobby, when the Internet is now a commercially oriented network that
has a completely different technology and environment. And there are
limitations in Usenet (the "Internet echomail") that are not present
in Fido.
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They can really coexist. But only if the *C structure realises that
they aren't the "owners" of the network but only the ones that
*coordinate* the efforts of many into the development of a NEW
Fidonet. It's obvious that the technology is already in place,
with packets flowing through the Internet reducing the once
expensive international mail exchanges. This should be, by itself,
one good reason for Fido to expand, not to collapse.
We can get Fido into the 21st century. But only if we stop pretending
that we are dead and act. Putting people into the net, not keeping
them out.
(This may be my first and last submission to Fidonews, as the only
one telnettable BBS that I know that provides free access to Fido
is closing down and I have no other way to access the network
anymore. Sad news...)
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An Optimistic View of the Shrinking Nodelist
Douglas Myers 1:270/720 doug@mdtnbbs.com
One of the most persistant topics of echotalk is the shrinking Fido
nodelist. That nodes are leaving Fidonet has been no big secret,
but it's been most dramatic recently as the text copy of the
international nodelist has gone below 2 megabytes where it was three
just a few years ago.
There's real concern here. Some sysops want to revive BBSING by
posting ads in the local laundromats. Some want to put up an
HTML-based BBS and go "head-to-head" against the Internet!
Power-politicians are chastised for creating this net flight.
Developers are being asked why our technology isn't better. And at
least one net is supplying local computer-buyers with instructions
to turn Hyper-Terminal into the Fidonet Explorer.
Will all this concern turn the situation around? Will the BBS once
again flourish and the Fido nodelist expand to consume our hard
drives? My optimistic guess is "No."
Fidonet was never destined to own cyberspace. It briefly (in an
historical sense, anyway) caught the imagination of the world, and
it even spurred that imagination on to greater things. But it's
role in history is more that of amateur radio. Amateur radio
operators were once king, and their association also spurred the
imagination of the world. But their role, too, was as harbinger. To
see how the bbs system operator of the future fares, we can look at
the amateur radio operator of today... they're still a strong,
active group - still widely respected. But they no longer own the
airwaves, having passed it on to their heirs.
The BBS sysop never owned cyberspace, but he took his turn at the
helm when few could see where these machines called computers could
take us. He still stands tall in cyberspace.
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And Fidonet, the community of sysops, will be around for a while.
Folks always come home to stay for a piece, and there are always
those who keep a place prepared. Even now, those who have mastered
the technology of the internet are polishing Fido. Our messages
move faster and more reliably through new channels. Some are adding
new wings to the traditional structure. And we're all gathered
around the fire in the evening quibbling over the seating
arrangements for tomorrow's dinner.
We're busy getting ready for the folks coming home.
-------------- Footnote --------------
I'm hoping that this is the first of a few more editorials of an
upbeat nature. I'd like to explore the theme of preparing the ol'
place for our guests... and maybe promote some methods for making
our community a friendly place to stay in the vastness of
cyberspace. Whether I can follow through depends, of course, on my
malicious employer who places crass commercial interests above
community development. And, of course, it depends on Henk Wolsink,
who might fill the pages of Fidonews with the works of real writers
and crowd me out before I can say my piece :)
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| Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
| From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]
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ARTICLES
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North American Backbone Echo Changes [Jul-Aug]
by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
lisa@psg.com
Summary of backbone & quasi-backbone echo changes during Jul & Aug.
Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.
diff (backbone.na + backbone.no) 05-Jul-98 06-Sep-98 [edited].
Added to the backbone
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> ELEBBS_SUPPORT The Official EleBBS Support Conference
> GEOWORKS Geoworks software conference.
> SUPER-BITCH Super Bitch Discussion Area
> WEBUTIL International WEBUTIL Echo
> WWIV WWIV BBS Software
Removed from the backbone or quasi-backbone
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< BASIC7 (low traffic since 2/1/98)
< BASSGTR (low traffic since 2/1/98)
< CYBER_AUCTION Cyber Auction echo
< DAIRY_FARM Dairy Farming Conference
< DEBATE_ON_ABORTION (low traffic since 6/1/98)
< DTP Desktop Publishing discussion
< ET_SIGHTINGS ET_SIGHTINGS Discussion Conference
< FTN_INTERNET (low traffic since 2/1/98)
< GAMES4SALE (low traffic since 6/1/98)
< GENDATA (low traffic since 2/1/98)
< IRC_CHAT IRC_CHAT Discussion Conference
< LORD2_IGM (low traffic since 4/1/98)
< LORD2_SYSOP (low traffic since 4/1/98)
< MED_MOANS (low traffic since 2/1/98)
< NANFE North America Native Fish Echo.
< SLEEP_APNEA (low traffic since 6/1/98)
< STARTREK_CCG (low traffic since 2/1/98)
< STTOS (low traffic since 6/1/98)
< SYNCHRONET (low traffic since 2/1/98)
< TRI_SYSOP (low traffic since 2/1/98)
< VIRUS_NFO (low traffic since 2/1/98)
< WC4DOS WildCat! 4 Systems Discussion and Support.
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o There are 609 echos in backbone.na [06-Sep-98] (down 24)
o There are 107 echos in backbone.no [06-Sep-98] (up 7)
o for a total of 716 backbone & quasi-backbone echos (down 17)
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COLUMNS
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Dear Editorbeing,
I trust that this article will find itself buried beneath
the fold after the Artspec document in your esteemed organ.
With any kind of luck, the momentum gained by all six
readers of the Snooz as they lean on their <RETURN> buttons
will carry them right past this drivel to the exciting
Internet gating information. This article is submitted by
Doc Logger (163/110) who was eagerly awaiting the 29,000
pounds of bananas which Ruth Argust had shipped to his
address.
Roll da flic, Henk....
Dear Reverend Visage,
Nice work ace. Submitting your petty cash bills to Swamp
Swine Magazine and asking for payment in Russian Rubles will
surely prop up their sagging currency and avert a global
meltdown of various economies. I guess you noticed that the
Canadian peso is now worth slightly less than the virtue of
an Australian woman.
What amazes me in the various commentaries that I have read
is that there is a lack of perception about what causes such
huge currency fluctuations. What they fail to note is that
currency trading is conducted by cocaine-crazed twenty year
olds who wouldn't recognize a Gross National Product if it
sat on their faces. The little snakes who do the buying and
selling of foreign currencies are merely gamblers. The fact
that they gamble with your jobs, your national economies,
and inflate the costs of blended Scotch to ruinously high
levels, is but a mere trifle. What really matters is that
the money trading weasels will be paid six figure salaries
without having put in a productive day's work in their
lives. Only lawyers have a greater claim to being economic
bloodsuckers.
Mercifully, having invested all of my spare funds in badger
sperm futures, I am immune to currency fluctuations. For
those of global ambition, this seems like a golden
opportunity because there must be countries who can be
purchased for a mere $1.95 in hard currency.
In last week's Snooz His Immensity, Jerry Schwartz, pointed
out that Eldridge Cleaver had become a "diversity
consultant" in his dotage. It could have been worse, Cleaver
could have become either a sociologist or a statistician. I
think most of the fervent revolutionaries of the 60s and
70's have come to the realization that starving has its
drawbacks. If George Washington were alive today, he'd be
flogging fat free cookware on infomercials.
FIDONEWS 15-36 Page 7 7 Sep 1998
Finding the pithy quote I wanted for this week's Chautauqua
will be problematic because I decided to undo the work of my
Evil Cleaning lady. My Evil Cleaning lady had arranged all
of my books by colour and so I have attempted to put them
back in alphabetical order. In the process, I have
discovered an immutable law of bookshelves which states: If
you unload several bookshelves and then attempt to put the
books back, the shelves will become full long before the
pile of books has been restored. Somewhere in the pile of
books the one I want remains hidden. With the daunting
prospect of finding a real quote, I shall dive into my
journals and select something random and appropriate.
"Your lamp isn't dead...it's just sick." Joe's Lamp
Reconstruction, Miami, January 17, 1975.
When I recorded that philosophical gem from a billboard, I
had a sense that it served as a metaphor for not just ailing
lamps, but also for America. When I recorded it, I was on my
way to the sybaritic pleasures of a Caribbean Cruise (pass
the prune juice, let's party) and was young enough to be
optimistically naive about the future. To turn this into a
proper Chautauqua, the metaphor should be expanded to
encompass the notion that social systems aren't supposed to
be terminal conditions, but rather systems capable of being
"fixed." I see that same notion of futile optimism expressed
by those who think that some gee-whiz technology applied to
Fidonet will miraculously stave off its decline. In truth,
adding IP connectability will just make for a better looking
corpse, but won't breath any new vitality into the medium.
Here at Cassandra's 'R Us, I believe that the only thing
that matters is the content of messages. There is more than
a little irony to be found in the fact that while my
opinions are about as welcome as a skunk at a wedding, the
style of my messages seems to make some people assert that
they remain connected to some echos merely for the
opportunity of reading my drivel. What most of these people
don't realize is that most of the entertaining writers in
Fidonet are long gone...discouraged by the cascades of
quoted drooling and the generally cretinous approach to
communication.
I must go Visage. This has already gone on too long and I
know that you'll be pleased that Andrea Santos has returned
from her tryst with vegetables. As Fidonet's official
Mistress of Antfarms she has been sorely missed. (Special
note to Lee Aryton's finch: Cute buns, babe.) I had hoped to
meet with you last week but your secretary informed me that
you'd missed your flight for the fourteenth straight week.
Regards,
Doc Logger
Furlang Island,
South Pacific
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Ex-contributors and ex-staff members may only have until December 31,
1998
FACTNet alert
August 26, 1998
Ex-Scientologists who may be eligible for refunds and/or back-pay from
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retrieve their money than between now and December 31.
In December, 1998, Scientology s tax-exempt status will be reviewed by
the US Internal Revenue Service (IRS) for the final time, and then if
the IRS is convinced Scientology has abided by its 1993 IRS agreement
Scientology s nonprofit status will become permanent. Thus for the
next few months, it is crucial for Scientology to see that its
operations appear to be above legal reproach.
According to Scientology s application for tax-exempt status, it must
refund donations it has received if donors so request. If you feel you
were deceived by Scientology or did not receive what you were
promised, demand your donations back!
And legally, Scientology could be liable to provide back-pay for the
many who have labored long hours for the church far below minimum
wage, often only receiving $10 or $24 per week. Receiving $24 for a
40-hour workweek equals sixty cents an hour; for a not-unheard-of
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80-hour week it would be over $20,000. It is illegal to pay workers
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To request refunds and/or back pay, FACTNet would recommend sending
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you tell them who to make out the check to and where to send it.
FACTNet will set up a section on the web site with sample letters
(see www.factnet.org over the next week or so for details).
If Scientology does not immediately recompense you be sure to report
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result, the IRS may not finalize the Scientology s nonprofit IRS
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practices.
FACTNet believes that people who are owed remuneration from
Scientology deserve to know that the next few months are crucial.
Please contact anybody and everybody you know who may stand to be
justly compensated, and let them know this may be their last real
chance to get their money back.
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NET HUMOR
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The Dark Side of the Farce
Douglas Myers 1:270/720
It's late at night, at the end of a weekend in which I tried to
catch up on all the mail I didn't quite get around to reading during
the work week. The echos are still running through my mind and
combining in unlikely ways.
The ZEC echo is in an interregnum right now, Bob Kohl having been
fired and Gary Gilmore, the interim ZEC, in somewhat of a pickle.
Gary is charged by his job description with conducting an election
for a new ZEC, but Bob Satti has apparantly charged the RECC with
the task of determining how the new ZEC should be selected.
Meanwhile, Bob Kohl has not been silent. He is currently in a
shouting war with John Souvestre charging him with lack of moderator
support in the past. John maintains that he just wanted a little
bit of decorum - that maybe it was a good idea to talk with the
local sysop or his uplink or the next uplink or the next uplink
before asking for a feed cut for an entire net.
And in the ever-popular SUPER-BITCH echo, the bitches are trying to
assign the appropriate Fidonet Stars to the roles of the Seven
Dwarfs. As my eyes close I recall Bob Satti being nominated for
Sleepy...
... and suddenly I realize the appropriate role for Bob Kohl. What
famous character was originally a force for Good (as many of his
former supporters maintain) and a rising star in the Fido Empire
before he finally succumed to the Dark Side? Why it was Darth
Vadar!
Eyes still closed and slumber falling upon me, it doesn't occur to
me that Darth never made the cast of Snow White.
And what famous Princess, a member of the Imperial Senate, was
chased across the galaxy by Darth and forced to retreat with her
Rebel Alliance to a new region even as the mighty forces of Darth's
Empire were destroying her home? This would be Princess Ruth
Argust, of course.
One sysop, irate over zone 2 nodelist errors, has already ranted
about "Satti the Hut." Durn, that man takes a beating...
But to my weary mind, another role is more suitable. Which young
man wishes to leave the farm and reach for the stars? Though
inexperienced and making a few mistakes along the way, he is
nonetheless privy to some routed netmail to Obie Wan Kanobie and
rushes to rescue the Princess. As young Luke Satti embarks on his
adventure, he finds that within himself are the seeds of the last
Jedi Knight. Though he must ultimately confront the Dark Side, he
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eventually rises to dispose of Darth Vadar.
Drifting to sleep, I wonder who is Yoda, who will take Luke by the
hand and teach him to use The Force. As sleep overtakes, I recall
that Yoda wasn't one of the Seven Dwarfs either...
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| Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org
| Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
| From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]
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NOTICES
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Future History
5 Oct 1998
29th Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus".
10 Sep 1998
9th Anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
14 Sep 1998
Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].
22 Sep 1998
First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.
23 Nov 1998
35th Anniversary of Doctor Who.
1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.
16 Feb 1999
13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.
12 May 1999
12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
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1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
FidoNet:
Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
Echomail [pending]
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
Region 19: http://www.compconn.net
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (Swiss?)
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Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4: http://www.altern.org/zone4
Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+-----------
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton |FTP,VMoT,F2I,UUE| 64k | $10/$20mo.
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | F2I | ??? | $2mo.
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE,F2I | 28.8 | $10/yr.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $1mo.
1:2424/3121| Earl Clark | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VFOS | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler | UUE,F2I | 33.6 | n/c
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