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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
Stepping into the Hornet's Nest .......................... 2
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 3
Nodelist Robot ........................................... 3
4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 4
Elections - What's happening or not ...................... 4
5. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 6
Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo ....................... 6
6. NOTICES .................................................. 7
7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 8
8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 11
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,
How many Policies does FidoNet need? Is Policy 4 not enough?
Now there are moves, to have an Echo Policy - again.
And how many hats does a *C's have to wear? Is one not enough?
Yes, call me the question _man_ if you like. And you may wonder
why this time. :-)
Personally, I do not believe the *EC structure should exist. Get
rid of them bunch as they do nothing worth while. Let the *C
structure take care of ALL that it is suppose too, including that
what the current *EC structure is doing.
During my stint as Z5C, I voted for the current Z1C, to take the
IC position. So he got it, but is it not time for Bob to hand
the Z1C chair over? Just after the election of IC, Bob sent me
e-mail, asking what I thought of a few items, including that if
he should resign as Z1C. My answer to him was, YES! I do not
believe, that the interest of the Nodes in Z1 is best served by
having him holding office of both positions.
Sorry Bob, this is not a vendatta to have you removed as Z1C,
in fact, I could care less if you wear the hats of both.
One of these days, we'll have more office bearers than Nodes.
What's an office bearer? Someone, who carries his office on his
shoulders. But you get my idea, no?
Talking about Policies.
Region 24 in Zone 2, has asked the IC for approval of a Policy.
Sure, let them have a Policy of their own, but should it override
Policy 4?
Happy reading,
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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Stepping into the Hornet's Nest
Welcome me to the ranks of one of Fido's most persevering entities:
the rebel without a clue. In a brilliant display of naivete, I've
managed to mention the terms "feed cut," "policy," and "committee"
all in the same breath... in the MODERATOR echo! Judging by the
heat, there are no other terms used in Fidotalk so emotionally
charged.
Actually, this particular hornet's nest has been swarming just about
forever, and I'm not the first who has ever stirred it. Perhaps
that's the reason Policy 4 speaks in hushed tones about matters
echomail. Lacking any formal policy, moderators and sysops have
generally followed an informal set of guidelines collected in the
North American Backbone's BOFAQ text file, distributed on the
BACKBONE file area on a monthly basis. Most agree that the informal
method has worked well, and may even be optimum.
But now we're talking about feed cuts, which aren't going to work
well no matter what system is used. A feed cut is the ultimate
confession that the purely voluntary approach to echo moderation and
distribution has failed in one small area. A moderator doesn't like
to employ it - he's spent a lot of time trying to promote the
conversation, not kill it. A sysop doesn't like to make the cut -
he's spent a good part of his life bringing people into his system,
not ushering them out.
No one even likes to talk about feed cuts.
But then, that's the reason such a thing should be talked about in
advance. When it's necessary, when the heat is on and the
atmosphere is emotionally charged, it's just the wrong time to be
discussing philosophy and organizational charts, who's in charge and
who does what.
But the conversation is going well. My motives have been
challenged, my premises have been challenged... but my lineage is
still not a subject for discussion :) It's a good start for a Fido
bash!
--
| Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org
| Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
| From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]
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ARTICLES
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Nodelist Robot
Date : Fri Oct 09, 00:17
From : Nodelist Robot 2:292/854
To : All
Subj : Nodelist evolution in Zone-2 on day 282
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!Zone/Jul!Ndl-254!Nodel.-261!Nodel.-268!Nodel.-275!Nodel.-282!%%!
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! 2/282 ! 13401 !13390 -11!13401 11!13355 -46!13328 -27!70!
! 3/282 ! 375 ! 372 -3! 369 -3! 369 0! 362 -7! 2!
! 4/282 ! 353 ! 349 -4! 289 -60! 289 0! 275 -14! 1!
! 5/282 ! 61 ! 61 0! 61 0! 61 0! 60 -1! 0!
! 6/275 ! 906 ! 906 0! 906 0! 906 0! 913 7! 5!
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! 19344 !19305 -39!19210 -95!19122 -88!19059 -63!
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--- Robo 0.37 by Kash
--- DB 1.58/001877
* Origin: Many Glacier / Preserve - Protect - Conserve / (2:292/854)
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NET HUMOR
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Elections - What's Happening or Not
I'd promised in earlier editions to keep you all informed on the
election for Z1EC. Unfortunately, after I'd made this commitment,
things started not happening. The Z1EC had been replaced, and an
interim Z1EC assumed the duties. Or should I say "duty," for the
job description specified that the interim Z1EC's sole duty is to
conduct an election for the permanent ZEC.
Bob Satti, however, charged the RECC to determine how to select the
next ZEC. This led most to assume that there would be some minor
changes before a sysop-level election was held, but rumor has it
that the RECC has other thoughts.
So the news is that the RECC is poised to not decide to appoint a
ZEC, or else they're poised to decide not to appoint a ZEC.
In stark contrast to the non-election in the ZEC echo, the folks in
the FN_SYSOP echo are taking a wham-bang no nonsense approach.
After a couple weeks of nominations, I missed reading for a few days
and found, upon catching up, that we were in the middle of a three
day election. I'd mention the candidates and urge you to vote, but
if you didn't vote yet, then it's over.
Just in case either of the above echoes want to alter their election
methods, I figured I'd outline how some of the other echoes handle
it.
FN_APATHY The moderator is expected to keep a low
profile here. Elections are held every five
weeks when the echo falls off the backbone
for low traffic. The first person to elist
the echo is moderator for the next five
weeks. Some guy named Bob is serving his
13th consecutive term.
MY_FAVORITE_MARTIN Elections here are held on demand. Demand
is off topic.
NINJA_LITERARY The International Order of Teen-Aged Mutant
Ninja Literary Commandos meets in enclave
annually, selecting qualified members from
it's rank to participate in a
double-elimination duel with asparagus. The
survivor is elisted. There can be only one.
LEMMINGSnnn The twelve thousand critters in this echo
scamper to the top of the backbone,
whereupon the moderator orders camp to be
made. One of the troops protests this order
and elists a new echo, and then leads a
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charge off the backbone. This method of
election has been adapted in other echoes and
is commonly called "voting with your feet."
DALLAS The moderator in this echo is appointed
against his will and administered
mind-altering drugs to ward off outside
influences. He spends his days trying to
convince any of the other residence of his
echo to take the job, but they reject his
pleas. His only hope is for rescue from one
of the freedom fighters from other echoes,
but he is conditioned to send them away when
they succeed in breaching the walls of his
echo.
--
| Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org
| Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
| From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]
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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
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Emanuel Edwards
1:348/963
emanuel@escape.ca
Hello all Fidonet Sysops:
Where else can you find a great echo that will increase the users on
your BBS? Well here is the answer to your question.
The WRESTLING_CHAT echo can be classified as one of the best echo on
Fidonet today. If you don't have internet access and want to read all
the latest news in the wrestling world this echo will provide you with
all the valuable information. In the last 6 months the echo been
getting well over 200 messages a week. Once you request the
WRESTLING_CHAT on your BBS you will see a great increase in news users
on your BBS.
Make that important decision today and request this great and
interesting echo on your BBS. If you need more information about the
echo you can contact me by email at emanuel@escape.ca
The Areatag for the echo is WRESTLING_CHAT
Moderator for the echo is Emanuel Edwards
Co_Moderator for the echo is Barry Laws JR
Volume of Mail in one months 1000 to 1200
Emanuel
Internet emanuel@escape.ca
Fidonet 1:348/963
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NOTICES
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Future History
23 Nov 1998
35th Anniversary of Doctor Who.
1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.
16 Feb 1999
13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.
12 May 1999
12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
FidoNet:
Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
Echomail [pending]
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
Region 19: http://www.compconn.net
Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
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Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4: http://www.altern.org/zone4
Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
please make use of ip address: 196.37.151.41 until all
the DNS entries have been rectified.
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
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should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
-----------oOo-------------
Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+-----------
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton |FTP,VMoT,F2I,UUE| 64k | $10/$20mo.
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | F2I | ??? | $2mo.
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE,F2I | 28.8 | $10/yr.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $1mo.
1:2424/3121| Earl Clark | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VFOS | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler | UUE,F2I | 33.6 | n/c
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2:2490/5170| Lenny Murphy | F2I | ??? | n/c
5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
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+ VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
+ F2I = Fido2Int (W95)
+ UUE = uuencode<->email packet transfers
compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net
Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
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