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                        Table of Contents
     1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
     2. GUEST EDITORIAL  ..........................................  2
        Editorial on an Editorial :)  .............................  2
     3. NOTICES  ..................................................  4
     4. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ......................................  5
     5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .....................................  8
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                                 EDITORIAL
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     Greetings,

     It's amazing, how serious readers (and those that cannot), take
     my questions.  Ofcourse, then some of them questions are to be
     taken seriously.  Or rather, 99.9% are to be taken seriously. <G>

     What about the editorial in 15-41?  100%

     Enjoy what there is to read, which is nothing much this week,
     seeing Doc Logger, or whatever his name is, has decided to no
     longer write to Visagie.

     I must admit, some of his writings was enjoyable. ;-)

     Enjoy,

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                              GUEST EDITORIAL
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                         Editorial on an Editorial :)

     >      How many Policies does FidoNet need?  Is Policy 4 not enough?
     >      Now there are moves, to have an Echo Policy - again.

            -excerpt from last week's Fidonews editorial by Henk Wolsink

     How many people contribute to Fidonet?  How many have organized to a
     common goal?  Each person has a personal policy; each organization
     has a policy by which it conducts itself.  Policy may be written or
     unwritten, formal or informal, but generally people who do things
     use a policy.  It's a strategy so they don't have to rethink each
     action each time they wish to take it, so that others know what they
     are doing and can adapt.  Policy is so necessary in any endeavor
     that one will be created if a suitable one is unavailable.

     Fidonews has a policy... I used it to get in the door.  It doesn't
     read like the Magna Carta, but it provides me the essentials to be
     published here.  It tells me how to format an article, where to send
     it, and even hints as to the conditions under which it will be
     published.  And it's not covered in Policy 4...

     Is it enforced?  There's some policy on that, too.  Henk Wolsink
     will reformat an article by Doug Myers during the month of September
     when the right margin extends too far if he feels like it, though I
     did get cited for policy violation on that one :)

     There is an echomail policy too - mostly centered on John
     Souvestre's BOFAQ, though highly seasoned with unwritten practice,
     occasional *EC action, conflicting documents, and institutional
     dissent.

     And individuals within the system have their own policies.  George
     Peace gets along with everyone but does what he wants.  Bob Seaborne
     disagrees with John Souvestre on any and all issues.  John Souvestre
     disagrees with anyone not covered by Bob Seaborne.  And Ken Wilson
     moves mail and doesn't say much.

     And none of this is covered in Policy 4...

     My policy is to welcome all policy... it's a sign of activity :)

     --
     | Fidonet:  Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org
     | Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com
     | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
     | From Mdtn_BBS  @mdtnbbs.com  [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]

     [ ED comment:
       Sorry Douglas, but there is no policy relating or applicable to
       FidoNews.  There is a ARTSPEC.DOC, which gives you guidelines as
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       to what is expected when submitting an article for publication.
       The article you submitted, was indeed not to specification and
       as pointed out in my e-mail and in the ARTSPEC.DOC, such articles
       can be rejected and/or formatted by the Editor.  However, the
       latter was applied.  Editors can be nice people too. ;-) ]

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                                  NOTICES
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                       Future History

       23 Nov 1998
          35th Anniversary of Doctor Who.

        1 Dec 1998
          Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
          Tom Jennings.

       16 Feb 1999
          13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.

       12 May 1999
          12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
          10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.

       24 Jul 1999
          XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

        9 Jun 1999
          Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.

       10 Sep 1999
          10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

       26 Oct 1999
          Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

       31 Dec 1999
          Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

        1 Jan 2000
          The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

        1 Jun 2000
          EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

       15 Sep 2000
          Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

       21 Sep 2000
          10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

        1 Jan 2001
          This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

       -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
             Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
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     This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
     FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

     FidoNet:

     Homepage    http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews    http://www.fidonews.org             [HTML]
                 http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html  [ASCII]
     WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
     FTSC page   http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
     Echomail    [pending]
     WebRing     http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html  [TFN]
     General     http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
                 http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti

     ============

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org

       Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

       Region 17:  http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/

       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://www.compconn.net

     Zone 1 Elist  http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/

     ============

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org

     ZEC2:
     Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/

       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)

       Region 25:  http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/

        Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
           REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb

       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

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       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)

       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)

       Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)

       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://pobox.com/~chr

       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz

       Region 48:  http://www.fidonet.org.pl

       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5073:  http://people.weekend.ru/soa/  (Russian)

     ============

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     ============

     Zone 4:       http://www.altern.org/zone4

       Region 90:  http://visitweb.com/fidonet
         Net 903:  http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     ============

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

                   please make use of ip address: 196.37.26.1 until all
                   the DNS entries have been rectified.

     ============

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org

       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

     ============

     Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
     and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites.  If
     no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
     that Region is used in its place.  Generally, Regional pages
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     should list access points to all Networks within the Region.

     TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
     to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

                      -----------oOo-------------

                       Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+-----------
     1:12/12    | Ken Wilson        | FTP            | T1    | $24mo.
     1:13/25    | Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
     1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton      |FTP,VMoT,F2I,UUE| 64k   | $10/$20mo.
     1:140/12   | Bob Seaborn       | FTP            | T1    | $5/$20
     1:270/101  | George Peace      | FTP            | T1    | $30mo.
     1:271/140  | Tom Barstow       | F2I            | ???   | $2mo.
     1:275/1    | Joshua Ecklund    | UUE,F2I        | 28.8  | $10/yr.
     1:280/169  | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
     1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca       | FTP,UUE        | T1    | unkn
     1:2424/10  | Alec Grynspan     | FTP,VMoT       | T1    | $1mo.
     1:2424/3121| Earl Clark        | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
     1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo.
     1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco  | VFOS           | 33.6  | $15yr.
     1:345/0    | Todd Cochrane     | FTP            | T1    | n/c
     1:346/250  | Aran Spence       | FTP,UUE        | T1    | $10mo.
     1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler    | UUE,F2I        | 33.6  | n/c
     1:3651/9   | Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     1:396/1    | John Souvestre    | FTP,VMoT       | T1    | $15mo.
     2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
     2:33/505   | Mario Mure        | VMoT,UUE       | 64k   | n/c
     2:335/610  | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
     2:469/84   | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
     2:2474/275 | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2:2490/5170| Lenny Murphy      | F2I            | ???   | n/c
     5:7104/2   | Henk Wolsink      | FTP            | 28.8  | n/c
     --
      + VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
      + F2I  = Fido2Int (W95)
      + UUE  = uuencode<->email packet transfers

     compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net
     Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
     -
     ___
      ! Origin: * Fly By Night * (609)814-1978 *(1:2623/71)


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                           FIDONEWS INFORMATION
     =================================================================


      ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

       Editor: Henk Wolsink

       Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
                         Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
                         Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg

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        more addresses:
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        And in non-English formats via:

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                  "Disagreement is actually necessary,
                   or we'd all have to get in fights
                   or something to amuse ourselves
                   and create the requisite chaos."
                                     -Tom Jennings

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