F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 46 15 Nov 1999 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 | | | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. HEADLINES ................................................ 1 Big Edition .............................................. 1 2. EDITORIAL ................................................ 2 Cow in Berlin ............................................ 2 3. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 3 News from the Black Helicopter ........................... 3 4. ARTICLES ................................................. 6 Mother Of All Elections .................................. 6 HMS PeenaFour ............................................ 11 Spooky Anagrams .......................................... 12 ITU-T Standards/Recommendations .......................... 13 NAB Echo Changes [Sept-Oct] .............................. 19 Z1B Echo Changes [Sept-Oct] .............................. 20 5. COLUMNS .................................................. 22 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 22 Ol'WDB: Hug-O-War ........................................ 25 6. NET HUMOR ................................................ 27 The Grand Emir Is Thirsty ................................ 27 Poetry Contest ........................................... 27 7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 29 Masthead ................................................. 29 FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 1 15 Nov 1999 ================================================================= HEADLINES ================================================================= Big Edition Many thanks to all the contributors for this edition of Fidonews. To tell the truth, I'm overwhelmed: it appears that the members of Fidonet are starting to assert their ownership of their weekly newsletter, a process I can only encourage. I'm not exactly sure why this particular edition is just about double the size of a regular edition. I'd like to think that I begged enough people for contributions that I achieved some kind of critical mass. But, to be honest, I don't think it had that much to do with my personal efforts. My theory is that it's had more to do with the performance of the small, but growing, Fidonews staff. Though there are only a few names listed in the masthead, these individuals have polished their sections into immaculate form. I think readers noticed the difference in the quality of Fidonews, and that fact is responsible for the surge of interest this week. Of course, everyone might have found themselves with free time this week... Echo Posting Those of you who carry the FIDONEWS echo are invited to look at this week's posting of the newsletter with a critical eye. I've revised the batch files here which split the newsletter and autopost it. Now the split is every five pages with the break at the printer page break rather than by line count. The form feed characters have been stripped to prevent interaction with some BBS readers. Hopefully, the appearance and ease of online viewing is improved. I'd like your feedback and suggestions on this, however. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 2 15 Nov 1999 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= (__) (__) (oo) (oo) ______________\/______ ____ /-------\/ __ /___/___/___/___/___/_/| /___/| / | || _/_/| |___|___|___|___|___|_|| |__||/|* //-----|||_|_|| |_|___|___|___|___|___|| |_|__|/|^^ ^/|___|| |___|___|___|___|___|_|/ |___|_|/ |___|_|/ Cow in Berlin before... ...and after 9-Nov-1989 It would seem that the Fall of the Wall should be celebrated by more than the ASCII cows on this, the tenth anniversary of the event. Yet it's largely gone unnoticed, getting only brief mention on talk radio and little or no attention by the press. It was probably the most unexpected event of my life. The Wall in Berlin had stood ever since I could remember, and I never imagined that it would someday come down. Though the nuclear danger was stressed in talk about monolithic Communism when I was younger, the more powerful symbol of human oppression was the Wall. Destroying the world fifty times over was, possibly, too terrible to be believable... but a place where people were brutally shot down time after time brought home the value of freedom. Perhaps the lack of celebration today is because the rest of the world was wiser than I, and realized that all oppression would ultimately fail. But I didn't know that nor even have hopes of it... until the Wall came down. Even Fido politics pales in comparison... Doug Myers ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 3 15 Nov 1999 ================================================================= GUEST EDITORIAL ================================================================= News from the Black Helicopter Ruth Argust Although I wrote it, I could not have done without the help of many in the S-b echo with a very special thanks to Steve Asher of Zone 3 for his invaluable co-conspirator input :) Let's clear up a misconception here. I am fully convinced that Thom LaCosta is a real person. There are several reasons behind this which I am not going to publicly disclose at this time. Yes, the BBS list said that real names must be used but that is not always the case as we know. It is my opinion that Tom Knowles is the alias or handle that LaCosta uses and has used for several years. This is probably why some searches for the name Tom Knowles turned up empty. However, even =if= Tom Knowles is a co-sysop, his grabbing the echoes, in my opinion, is proof that the ELIST has been compromised by the ELIST keeper since the co-sysop will have more access than the average user of the system. Additionally, there has never been any reports previously of a co-ELIST keeper and if Tom Knowles is the co-sysop, that is precisely what we have. But see more on that below. However, I strongly doubt that Tom Knowles exists other than as an alias for LaCosta. Have you all noticed how conveniently Tom Knowles has been elevated from a simple user on LaCosta's system (with no knowledge on how to operate the system to even quote a message by his OWN admission) to having had co-sysop status for the last several years? This happened ONLY after the information contained in the USBBS List was made public. LaCosta had AMPLE time in advance to say that Knowles was a co-sysop on the system and never did so. In fact, if you all recall, the first post made by Knowles anywhere was in the Moderator echo and it was not even from LaCosta's BBS. Additionally, LaCosta said something very different indeed (below). This all shows that LaCosta has been hiding something and possibly continues to do so. Now, let's do a bit of echo digging on the subject of Tom Knowles which is from Thom LaCosta's own post which clearly states that Tom was never a user of the BBS until recently: ============================================ Area : MODERATOR Date : Sun Aug 22, 14:10 >From : Thom LaCosta 1:1/21 To : Bob Kohl FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 4 15 Nov 1999 Subj : Echolist reply -------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:1/21.0 7c03e2a0 @PID: timEd 1.10+ @TID: GE 1.11+ @CHRS: IBMPC 2 Bob Kohl wrote in a message to Thom LaCosta: BK> You know Thom, I do find it interesting that you've got someone BK> working off your board to grab the expired echoes... right after BK> you purge them. ;) Well, it would seem that the person first logged into a system that wasn't mine...I think if you look at the posts, you'll see that he logged on from another system in net261...it's the one that belongs to the NEC and is also available via telnet. All of the update messages from the user were submitted from an internet address....not a Fido address....and all were a good period of time before he ever became a user of this board. So, until someone who uses my board actually submits an update message from the board to the echolist, I'd say, like so many of your posts, you're all wet. Thom LaCosta hon@baltimoremd.com http://www.baltimoremd.com/ -!- ! Origin: Home of The Other Robot (1:1/21) ============================================ All of this "a good period of time before he ever became a user of this board", but apparently a good deal of time after he became the sysop of the same board... five years later, in fact. :) Remember that the name Tom Knowles appeared 3/1/94 in the US BBSLists. And don't miss this part: "So, until someone who uses my board actually submits an update message from the board to the echolist, I'd say, like so many of your posts, you're all wet." Isn't that what supposedly happened when the BBS had crashed and Tom Knowles was the =only= person who was able to update and grab three echoes from the board to the echolist just at the precise time they were burned? According to Carol Shenkenberger he was able to do this because he had logged onto the BBS to update expiring listings. Does this mean that in this case, Bob Kohl is NOT all wet? But I don't believe that LaCosta is the only one trying to hide something. I am of the opinion that SOME of the ranking members of FidoNet are aware of the alias and were fully aware of "the plan" that was used. I think further that LaCosta is calling on his "buddies" to assist him =try= to prove his credibility and get FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 5 15 Nov 1999 himself out of the hole he has dug himself into. I think you will see this in action so be advised. I have seen an admission by someone who has known LaCosta for many years to the point of face to face contact and he stated that he had never heard of a Tom Knowles. This person has run a BBS in the same general area for many years. What we have here is certainly overwhelming cause for concern. We have a very suspect ELIST where underhanded tactics appear to have been used and then more lies upon more lies to try to cover up the situation. This should be of deep concern to all of you and I am hoping that we can indeed have some persons step forward to set up a new ELIST. Many of us will support a new forthright and honest system. >From the Secret Squadron Brigade of the Black Helicopter Patrol Guarding all FidoNet Zones ============================================= Ruth -- Ruth Argust DDS - DoorWare Distribution System http://www.doorgames.org/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 6 15 Nov 1999 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= The Mother Of All Elections Steve Fredette, 1:163/551 Well, the annual Region 12 election/flamefest is over, and what a hoot! I haven't had this much fun since the Maylaysian Node Policy Complaint. It started on Sep 16th with the non-election call by the incomp^H^H^Humbent RC, Mike O'Connor. He appointed his brother Shawn as returning officer, but neglected to mention this to the region. The first message we saw from Shawn was a test message, followed by the election rules and an inaccurate timetable. Andrew Dominas and Darrell Salter were nominated, along with Creepin' Moses. Shawn rejected Creepin's nomination (correcly), because his system was non-CM, and the election guidelines called for only CM systems to be elligible. He later decided to ignore the guidelines and allow Creepin' to run, provided that he switched his system to CM if he won. (???) By this time, Creepin' was at the cottage, and didn't even know he was in the election. I nominated myself via crash netmail just before the deadline. Shawn didn't seem to be the most competent RO we've had, and I wanted to see if he could deal with a last-minute nomination as advertised in the guidelines. The first round of voting was fraught with mistakes and other difficulties. On the first day of voting, after campaigning was over, Shawn accidentally reposted a previous message announcing that "We will be entering campaign phase tomorrow." An innocent enough mistake, but Shawn refused to believe it. He first claimed that it was a dupe. (It wasn't -- the second message had a different subject, date and MSGID). Then when the dupe theory didn't hold up, he descended into the twilight zone and decided that there must be a forger in our midst. A rather clever forger indeed, who was able to remove the original message from Shawn's own system. Several flamewars later, Brian Hillis' routed netmail vote arrived on Shawn's system. The message had Brian's name, but *Shawn's* address as the originating system. Well. Mike and Shawn exploded, accusing Brian of forging the message to trick Shawn into accepting an 'invalid' vote. A little sleuthery by Lesley-Dee Dylan tracked down the problem and confirmed that the message left Brian's system with the correct address, but was grunged along the way. Neither Mike nor Shawn ever did apologise to Brian about that one. After several more of Shawn's screwups (Missing passwords, mistyped node numbers, problems accepting crash netmail), we finally arrived at the end of the first round of voting. The results: Andrew Dominas 7 Darrell Salter 8 FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 7 15 Nov 1999 Steve Fredette 8 Creepin' Moses 0 Oh great, a runoff election. According to our election guidelines, a candidate must receive over 50% of the vote to be declared a winner. If not, the candidates with the least votes are dropped from the list and we have a runoff. But wait! Shawn miscounted Gerry Calhoun's vote. It appears that one of my votes should have gone to Darrell. So the result is now: Andrew Dominas 7 Darrell Salter 9 Steve Fredette 7 Creepin' Moses 0 How bloody hard can it be to count to 23? I sent the following message: ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Fredette Area: REG12 - (620) To: Shawn O'Connor 16 Oct 99 16:54:52 Subject: Counting I know it's cold there, but shouldn't you take off your mittens for the duration of the election? Or you could wear gloves. They're almost as warm as mittens, and they won't interfere with your counting. ...Steve --- timEd 1.10 * Origin: Acoustic Plains BBS. Ottawa, ON. 613-742-7612 (1:163/55 ------------------------------------------------------------------- And poor Shawn can't figure out what to do next. According to the election guidelines, he should drop Creepin' from the list and hold a runoff with the other three candidates. "But nothing will have changed," he thinks, and takes it upon himself to 'flip a coin' to remove one of the second place candidates. Coincidentally, the same one who just insulted him: ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shawn O'Connor Area: REG12 - (667) To: All 17 Oct 99 08:39:22 Subject: Election Runoff Well, You all seem more interested in, a) tossing out insults, b) suggesting hand apparel. c) just balking in general, instead of making constructive suggestions. FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 8 15 Nov 1999 I will use what the RC has suggested. I will vote to break the tie between Andrew Dominas and Steve Fredette. I really have no interest in who gets elected, so I will flip a coin. Heads : Dominas Tales : Fredette It's Heads. The runoff will now commence between Andrew Dominas and Darrell Salter. All votes stand as they were previously cast for the two candidates in the runoff. (unless you submit a change during the runoff) If you wish to change your vote you must use the same password as previously submitted. One again the candidates are: Andrew Dominas Darrell Salter ** Modified time frame ** Votes must arrive by Sunday October 24 Noon (12:00) Note: for the idiots out there; Votes are submitted by selecting a candidate then selecting a password. Placing both of these in a message (Netmail or here in REG12) addressed to me (Shawn O'Connor). Candidate: Password : Shawn --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: SSSFFF BBS (The Original!) (1:167/167) ------------------------------------------------------------------- The region's response to this piece of logic was vocal to say the least. Even the other candidates were pissed off, and promised to hold a new election if they actually 'won' this farce. I replied: ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Fredette Area: REG12 - (678) To: Shawn O'Connor 17 Oct 99 21:47:18 Subject: Election Runoff SO> The runoff will now commence between Andrew Dominas and Darrell SO> Salter. That's funny... the deadline for the first round of voting is over, and I don't recall seeing your number in the list of nodes that voted. Yet you are now apparently casting a vote. FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 9 15 Nov 1999 The election guidelines are clear on what to do if no candidate receives 50% of the vote, yet you ignored them. Do you remember writing the following on Sep 30th? SO> If you don't follow the guidelines, (disregarding them on a SO> whim) SO> what's the point in even having them. Did you bother to *read* the election guidelines? *Can* you read them? Who died and left you as the region's penis-potato[*]? There isn't much point in holding an election in the first place if the returning officer simply ignores the election guidelines and picks his own candidates. And do you suppose it is appropriate for the returning officer to complain about one of the candidates, then in the same breath, boot that candidate out of the election? Would the coin have come down "Tales" if I *hadn't* suggested you lack the arithmetic skills of the average toddler? And you're ugly too. ...Steve [*]Dick-Tater --- timEd 1.10 * Origin: Acoustic Plains BBS. Ottawa, ON. 613-742-7612 (1:163/55 ------------------------------------------------------------------- After quite a bit more flaming, Mike decided he'd had enough. He fired his brother and took over the job of returning officer himself. A few (much quieter) days later, the results of the runoff are in: Andrew Dominas 8 Darrell Salter 13 Steve Fredette 10 (Sigh) Ok, nobody has 50% of the vote yet, so we drop Andrew from the list and hold a second runoff. The result of that one are: Darrell Salter 14 Steve Fredette 14 [Banging head on table] We *still* don't have a clear majority, and need to hold a *third* runoff election. By this point I'm getting sick of the whole thing. I figure Darrell can do just as well a job as I can, and I'm half considering changing my vote so that he'll win and we'll be done with it for another year. During the voting period for the third runoff, I posted the following message: FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 10 15 Nov 1999 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike O'Connor Jr. Area: REG12 - (883) To: All 30 Oct 99 11:53:08 Subject: Runoff election Dad phoned me from the rest home earlier today and asked if I would take over the job of returning officer for the election. He's having a hip replaced and can't spare the time right now. Don't get into a panic now, folks. I don't have nearly as much trouble with counting as Uncle Shawn did. The 923rd runoff begins on July 14, 2017 at 9:00pm and ends Friday, July 21, 2017 at 9:00pm. Results to date: Darrell Salter 27 Steve Fredette 27 17 votes invalidated due to sysops having passed away. --- timEd 1.10 * Origin: Acoustic Plains BBS. Ottawa, ON. 613-742-7612 (1:163/55 ------------------------------------------------------------------- This caused Mike, as another sysop put it, "to fry his last remaining brain cell." He accused me of 'forgery'. Huh? *Another* mythical forgery? Better learn the difference between a forgery and an alias, Mikey. And grab a sense of humour while you're at it. He waited until two minutes before the election deadline, saw that the results were still tied, then withdrew his previous vote for me in order to throw the election in Darrell's favour: ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike O'Connor Area: REG12 - (903) To: All 3 Nov 99 20:58:32 Subject: My vote Steve just screwed himself. I withdraw my vote tallied under the password KillKenny. It's truly a sad state of affairs when mail forgery is considered funny. You are all pathetic. Bye. --- Maximus/2 3.01 FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 11 15 Nov 1999 * Origin: SSSFFF ][ TSS (1:167/166) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeeeha! A threesome. Fucked twice in the same election by two different O'Connors. But it all worked out in the end. We have a new RC, and now that Mike is gone, my pain in the ass has disappeared. Use a bit more lube next time, Mike. Mike is probably glad he didn't stick around to read this little gem, posted after the election by Creepin' Moses: ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike O'Connor Area: REG12 - (914) To: Mike O'Connor 4 Nov 99 11:41:38 Subject: My vote MO> It's truly a sad state of affairs when mail forgery is MO considered funny. I fucked your mother. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Mo me or blow me. (1:163/151) ------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------- HMS PeenaFour Steve Fredette, 1:163/551 I wrote this a little while back as part of my campaign in the region 12 election. I had originally planned to submit it to fidonews then, but it slipped my mind. HMS PeenaFour ------------- (Apologies to Gilbert & Sullivan) Steve: I am the very model of a fido RC clerical, I've information technical and social and political, I've memorized the nodelist flags, I quote P4 (but cynical), From Intro to Case Histories, in order categorical; I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters protocolical, I understand the data link, both physical and logical, I know precicely what is meant by Yoohoo, Janus and Wazoo, My mailer handshakes easily with Opus, Frontdoor, Binkley too. FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 12 15 Nov 1999 All: His mailer handshakes easily, etc. Steve: I'm very good at tinkering with interrupts and data bus, I'll fix the problems y2k that will inflame and pester us, In short, in matters technical and social and political, I am the very model of a fido RC clerical. ALL: In short, in matters technical and social and political, He is the very model of a fido RC clerical. Steve: I know our region's history, from Ennis to Cliff Morrison, I have copies of all the notes from secretive Z1REGCON, I quote in elegiacs all the crimes of Ricky Johnston, but, I've had enough of flaming from that nonsensical Hillis nut. I castigate my fido foes, delight in driving them berserk, I've spent long hours finding ways of pissing off that Satti jerk, But fools no longer bother me, I have the capability, My filter has no problem nuking all the drivel from RanD. All: His filter has no problem, etc. Steve: Then I can write a parody and mail it to fidonews, And tell you ev'ry detail of things and persons that amuse, In short, in matters technical and social and political, I am the very model of a fido RC clerical. ALL: In short, in matters technical and social and political, He is the very model of a fido RC clerical. I spent perhaps 20 hours writing that damn thing, grepping through dictionaries and policy4 and even the ftsc docs looking for rhyming words. And when I was done I found that my neural pathways were completely rearranged, and I could think of nothing else. I followed up a few days later with: The major problem with a silly Major General parody, Is the extent to which the song invades my mental faculty, Now everything I think about and all my writings amateur, Are always rhyming couplets in a quick hexadecameter. ...Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------- Spooky Anagrams Thanks to Larry James BIKE-N-RIDER Motorcycle Riders, Bike Safety and Riding > ECHORESCUE Echo Tag Rescue Echo > ELYSIUM Elysium Software > ITALIANO Italians do it better > LINUX-USER Linux user > OFFICE_SUPPORT Microsoft Office Discussion and Support > PORTUGUES Porugues > QUEEN_FOR_A_DAY Lets you play queen for the day > SHAKESPEARE Discussion about William Shakespeare > THINKPRO Think Productions Software Group > THOM-TOM Is Thom also Tom Discussion Conference! Removed from the NAB list of echos ---------------------------------- < 4MODSONLY For Moderator's ONLY Echo! < CFS Chronic Fatigue Syndrome < CHAMELEON EXOTIC ANIMAL OWNERSHIP AND DISCUSSION < CIVIL_WAR Civil War History Echo < COMIC_RELIEF G-rated On-line Stand-up Comedy Shtick < IFTP_SUPPORT iFTP Support < MILLENNIUM Windows MILLENNIUM software Echo! < SCUBA Scuba Diving < SUPER-BASTARD Super Bastards Echo < TWIT Twit's Echo! < Z1-ELECTION Alternate Z1C Election discussion area ----------------------------------------------------------------- o There are 751 echos in backbone.na [07-Nov-99] (unchanged) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Z1 Backbone Echo Changes [Sep-Oct] by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9 lisa@psg.com Summary of Z1B echo changes during Sep & Oct. Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff. diff backbone.z1b 05-Sep-99 backbone.z1b 07-Sep-99 [edited]. Echotag name change ------------------- > UNUSUAL_PETS Unusual Pets Echo! [new echotag name] < CHAMELEON EXOTIC ANIMAL OWNERSHIP [old echotag name] Added to the Z1B list of echos ------------------------------ > EDGE_ONLINE End Times - Mystery Babylon and the Beast 666 > HARDWARE Computer Hardware & Peripherals > ITALIANO Italians do it better > LINUX-USER Linux user FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 21 15 Nov 1999 > MOTOR_SPORTS_RESULTS Various Motor Sports Results! > OFFICE_SUPPORT Microsoft Office Discussion and Support > PORTUGUES Portuguese Language Chat Echo > QUEEN_FOR_A_DAY Lets you play queen for the day > THOM-TOM Is Thom also Tom Discussion Conference! > TRANSCAN TransCanadian Soapbox echo Removed from the Z1B list of echos ---------------------------------- < 4MODSONLY For Moderator's ONLY Echo! < BLINDTLK Blindness-related topics and discussions < C&C Command & Conquer echo < CFS Chronic Fatigue Syndrome < CIVIL_WAR Civil War History Echo < COMIC_RELIEF G-rated On-line Stand-up Comedy Shtick < DND D&D and Fantasy Role-Playing conference. < F_I_D_O_E_R_R_O_R_S fIDO ERRORS < FIDOGEN Fidonet Genealogy Sysop Discussions Echo < GAF.CHAT German-American Friendship Networks Chat Echo < HOMESCHL Homeschooling support echo < IFTP_SUPPORT iFTP Support < INK Desktop Publishing & Word Processing Support < INTERGREEK Int'l Greek Conference (English language) < LAW_&_ORDER Law Enforcement Issues < MACSYSOP Macintosh Sysop's Conference < MALUM_PROHIBITUM Malum prohibitum discussions < MEDIEVAL Medieval studies, re-creation, arts, etc. < MICHIGAN GENERAL CHAT FOR MICHIGAN < MILLENNIUM Windows MILLENNIUM software Echo! < MS_WORD Microsoft Word Users Support Conference < NCSSA Nat'l Coalition of Sysops and Systems Admins < NEWAGE_THOUGHT New Age Thought and Discussion < NORTH_CAROLINA GENERAL CHAT FOR NORTH CAROLINA < OPENDOORS OpenDoors Door Programming Toolkit Discussion < PROWRITE Professional Writers' Conference < PRO_LIFE Pro-Life Question and Answer Forum < QUAKE Discussion of id Software's Quake < ROOTS_MUSIC Roots of Music Discussion < RTTY Amateur & Commercial Radio-Teletype Technology < SCUBA Scuba Diving < SPINAL_INJURY Spinal Cord Injury Topics < SPIRITUAL Spirituality and World Peace < STAMPS Stamp collecting discussion < SUPER-BASTARD Super Bastards Echo < TWIT Twit's Echo! < VFIDO VADV/VBBS & VFIDO Technical Support < ZCC_SUNSHINE Crosspost msgs from ZCC-closed-conference ----------------------------------------------------------------- o There are 630 echos in backbone.z1b [07-Oct-99] (down 28) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 22 15 Nov 1999 ================================================================= COLUMNS ================================================================= ! = New entries this week ? = not responding ?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: Nov 13, 1999 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html List server: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/ Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Region 14: Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19 Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130 Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 1 Elist http://members.xoom.com/echolist/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) ? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 23 15 Nov 1999 REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/ Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian) ?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) Fidonet Via Internet Hubs a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | T1? | $??/$10 12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL | n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP | aDSL | n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP | aDSL | $5/$15 mo. 106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL | n/c 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP | T3 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkD,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 270/101 @ George Peace | FTP | 6mbps | $20mo. 271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 24 15 Nov 1999 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 345/0 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c 396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $10/mo 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn 2424/101 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1 | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+ | n/c 2624/306 @ D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP | 128K+ | n/c 3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 3803/1 @ Ben Ritchey | UUE | 56k | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/626 | Filip Ruymen | Binkp, UUE | 128K+ | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | ??? | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 25 15 Nov 1999 -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com (US west coast) agnese.fidoitalia.net (Italy) Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.isonline.com irc.killaz-r-us.com irc.korombos.org ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com, and complaints to jarhead@osirusoft.com . ----------------------------------------------------------------- Medication for Fight-O-net's History of WAR compiled by Ol'WDB Hugs No moving parts, no batteries. No monthly payments and no fees; Inflation proof, nontaxable, In fact, it's quite relaxable; It can't be stolen, won't pollute, One size fits all, do not dilute. It uses little energy, But yields results enormously. Relieves your tension and your stress, Invigorate your happiness; Combats depression, makes you beam, And elevates your self esteem! Your circulation it corrects! Without unpleasant side effects It is, I think, the perfect drug: May I prescribe, my friend,... the hug! (and, of course, fully returnable!) I like that part best... ***ALSO*** HAVE YOU HUGGED A FRIEND TODAY? ( ^ )_( ^ ) ( ^ )_( ^) FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 26 15 Nov 1999 / o o) (o o \ __/ ( | | ) \___ (_ / * * \_) / \/ | \ | | | | | | | | \__/ | \__/ | / | | / / \ / <____,---,___) (____/ (____ Hugged & Hugger I will not play Tug O' War I'd rather play Hug O' War... Where everyone hugs, no one feathers and tars, also no disparaging tugs. Instead of the royal finger, or the nasty belittling note, addressed to a foe in anger send a HUG and then emote. Where everyone is polite, and everyone grins... everyone cuddles tight, and everyone wins. Ol'wdb ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 27 15 Nov 1999 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= The Grand Emir Is Thirsty Thanks to Roy Reed rcreedv@juno.com An Arab diplomat visiting the US for the first time was being wined and dined by the State Department. The Grand Emir was unused to the salt in American foods (french fries, cheeses, salami, anchovies etc.) and was constantly sending his manservant Abdul to fetch him a glass of water. Time and again, Abdul would scamper off and return with a glass of water, but then came the time when he returned empty-handed. "Abdul, you son of an ugly camel, where is my water?" demanded the Grand Emir. "A thousand pardons, O Illustrious One," stammered the wretched Abdul, "white man sit on well." ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Poetry contest... Thanks to Ol'WDB The finals of the National Poetry Contest last year came down to two finalists. One was a San Francisco State University graduate from an upper crust family; well-bread, well-connected, and all that goes with it. The other finalist was a redneck from Texas A&M. A self-proclaimed die-hard Aggie. Go figure. The rules of the contest required each finalist to compose a four-line poem in one minute or less, and the poem had to contain the word "Timbuktu". The San Francisco State graduate went first. About thirty seconds after the clock started he jumped up and recited the following poem: "Slowly across the desert sand Trekked the dusty caravan. Men on camels, two by two Destination-Timbuktu." The audience went wild!!! How, they wondered could the redneck top that?! The clock started again and the redneck sat in silent thought. Finally, in the last few seconds, he jumped and recited: "Tim and me, a-huntin' went. Met three whores in a pop-up tent. FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 28 15 Nov 1999 They was three, we was two, So I bucked one and Timbuktu." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-46 Page 29 15 Nov 1999 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= Masthead + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, DougM@paonline.com | | Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org | | Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, jarhead@osirusoft.com | | (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) | | Columnist: Warren D. 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