F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 50 13 Dec 1999 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 | | | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ __________ (___) /| `(0 0) / | \ / * |||----|||-/ * ||| ||| Rudolph the Red-Nosed Cow Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 Reading the 'bones ....................................... 1 2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2 Memo from Santa Claus .................................... 2 3. ARTICLES ................................................. 4 Shenkenberger is R13C by acclamation! .................... 4 4. COLUMNS .................................................. 5 Ol'WDB: Barbeque 101 .................................... 5 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 6 5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 11 Engineers and Lawyers .................................... 11 6. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 12 Christmas Cowols ......................................... 12 7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 13 Masthead ................................................. 13 FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 1 13 Dec 1999 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Reading the 'bones Doug Myers What's happening on the backbones after George Peace announced that he'll be shutting down? I'm getting mixed signals, myself. On one hand, Butch Walker announces that Brenda Donovan will serve as Zhub for the NAB after George shuts down... on the other hand he announced his own resignation effective December 15th. On the one hand, Brenda is sure to inspire confidence in her new position, but on the other hand this editor wonders why Bob Seaborn would only reveal "It's already handled." when the Zone 1 Backbone inquired. What's it going to be for the new Millennium? Are the 'bones going to settle down to the business of moving mail, or are we going to see more of the pointless bickering punctuated by power plays? This editor finds prognostication very difficult... especially now that the future is getting involved. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 2 13 Dec 1999 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= Memo from Santa Claus: I regret to inform you that, effective immediately, I will no longer be able to serve Southern United States on Christmas Eve. Due to the overwhelming current population of the earth, my contract was renegotiated by North American Fairies and Elves Local 209. I now serve only certain areas of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan. As part of the new and better contract, I also get longer breaks for milk and cookies, so keep that in mind. However, I'm certain that your children will be in good hands with your local replacement who happens to be my third cousin, Bubba Claus. His side of the family is from the South Pole. He shares my goal of delivering toys to all the good boys and girls; however, there are a few differences between us. Differences such as: 1. There is no danger of a Grinch stealing your presents from Bubba Claus. He has a gun rack on his sleigh and a bumper sticker that reads: "These toys insured by Smith and Wesson." 2. Instead of milk and cookies, Bubba Claus prefers that children leave an RC cola and pork rinds [or a moon pie] on the fireplace. And Bubba doesn't smoke a pipe. He dips a little snuff though, so please have a empty spit can handy. 3. Bubba Claus' sleigh is pulled by floppy-eared, flyin' coon dogs instead of reindeer. I made the mistake of loaning him a couple of my reindeer one time, and Blitzen's head now overlooks Bubba's fireplace. 4. You won't hear "On Comet, on Cupid, on Donner and Blitzen ..." when Bubba Claus arrives. Instead, you'll hear, "On Earnhardt, on Wallace, on Martin and Labonte. On Rudd, on Jarrett, on Elliott and Petty." 5. "Ho, ho, ho!" has been replaced by "Yee Haw!" And you also are likely to hear Bubba's elves respond, "I her'd dat!" 6. As required by Southern highway laws, Bubba Claus' sleigh does have a Yosemite Sam safety triangle on the back with the words "Back Off." The last I heard it also had other decorations on the sleigh back as well. One is Ford or Chevy logo with lights that race through the letters and the other is a caricature of me (Santa Claus) going wee wee on the Tooth Fairy. 7. The usual Christmas movie classics such as "Miracle on 34th Street" and "It's a Wonderful Life" will not be shown in your negotiated viewing area. Instead, you'll see "Boss Hogg Saves Christmas" and "Smokey and the Bandit IV" featuring Burt Reynolds as Bubba Claus and dozens of state patrol cars crashing into each other. FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 3 13 Dec 1999 8. Bubba Claus doesn't wear a belt. If I were you,I'd make sure you, the wife, and the kids turn the other way when he bends over to put presents under the tree. And finally, lovely Christmas songs have been sung about me like "Rudolph The Red-nosed Reindeer" and Bing Crosby's "Santa Claus Is Coming to Town." This year songs about Bubba Claus will be played on all the AM radio stations in the South. Those song titles will be Mark Chesnutt's "Bubba Claus Shot the Jukebox"; Cledus T. Judd's "All I Want for Christmas Is My Woman and a Six Pack", and Hank Williams Jr.'s "If You Don't Like Bubba Claus, You Can Shove It." Sincerely Yours, Santa Claus (member, North American Fairies and Elves Local 209) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 4 13 Dec 1999 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= Region 13 Coordinator Election Carol Shenkenberger wins by Acclamation! by Doug Myers As of Sunday night, December 12th, the nomination period for candidates for Region 13 Coordinator are still open, so the above headline is premature and unofficial. However, my nomination of Carol Shenkenberger appears to be the only one received by David Calafrancesco, the Election Coordinator, and it appears that Carol will be unopposed as candidate for the Coordinator office. Unless there is a last-minute nomination and acceptance before midnight, David will then send Carol's name to David Moufarrege as the region's choice for Coordinator. David has pledged to appoint the regional choice as Z1C. Carol is presently acting as interim RC, appointed by David Moufarrege when he vacated the post to serve as the newly elected Zone 1 Coordinator. Carol has served as interim Coordinator with distinction, acting to find and restore many "lost nodes" and restore regional echomail links. It's conceivable that an unopposed election would be viewed with suspicion by the members of Fidonet, but in Region 13 it's more indicative of a region which is already working together and already made its choice. Carol is already viewed as an able and fit successor to David Moufarrege by those normally active in regional affairs. Further, a last minute nomination is unlikely as those who were likely to show interest in the Coordinator's position are already occupied. David Moufarrege, of course, has moved on to the Zone 1 Coordinator position, appointing Jim Balcom as ZEC (Jim would have been considered a leading contender for RC). David Calafrancesco, though popular in the region, presently serving as REC, and a formidable candidate had he chosen to run, eliminated himself by accepting the Election Coordinator duties. Doug Myers, defeated by David Moufarrege in the Z1C election, has since accepted the position of Fidonews Editor and choose to back Carol rather than run himself. So, at the risk of jumping th gun a little bit, I'd like to congratulate Region 13 on its choice for RC, and congratulate Carol on her victory. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 5 13 Dec 1999 ================================================================= COLUMNS ================================================================= BBQ - 101: LIGHTING CHARCOAL GRILLS or WHY R10 FIDONET ENGINEERS ARE FAR OUT... by Ol'WDB Our subject today is lighting charcoal grills. Two of our favorite charcoal grill lighters are named Mark Luetger, and Joe Jared, (really!!), a couple of computer programmers in the Fidonet 1:103 engineering department. Each year, Mark and Joe hold a picnic in Mile Square Park, Fountain Valley, Ca. for Region 10 SoCal Fidonet engineers. There they cook hamburgers and hotdogs on a big grill, for the Region 10 Fidonet engineers and their friends and families. Being engineers, they began looking for practical ways to speed up the charcoal-lighting process as the newspaper + match had failed to do the expected job in a reasonable time. Mark and Joe put their heads to the task of speeding up the process of infighting the charcoal... "We started by blowing the charcoal with a hair dryer," Mark told me about last years picnic. He said,"Joe borrowed his mates five speed Sassoon cordless hair blower". He continued, "Then we figured out that it would light charcoal faster if we used a vacuum cleaner with the hose in the air exhaust port." If you know anything about (1) engineers and (2) Computer nerds in general, who have their head in a computer or software for it, you already know what is going to happened: A couple of beers later the purpose of the charcoal-lighting shifted from cooking hamburgers to seeing how fast they could light the charcoal. From the vacuum cleaner, they escalated to using a propane torch, then an acetylene torch. Then Mark and Joe started using compressed pure oxygen, which caused the charcoal to burn much faster, because as you recall from chemistry class, fire is essentially the rapid combination of oxygen with a reducing agent (the charcoal). We discovered that a long time ago, somewhere in the valley between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, in Fidonet's infancy, (or somewhere along those lines). I think it was way back when George Peace was the Fido IC. The Egyptian pyramids were still one of the eight wonders of the world. By this point, Mark and Joe were having a pretty good time. But in the world of competitive charcoal-lighting, "pretty good" does not cut the mustard. Thus, Mark and Joe hit upon the idea of using - get ready for this *** Liquid Oxygen ***! This is the form of oxygen used in rocket engines; it's 295 degrees FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 6 13 Dec 1999 below zero and 600 times as dense as regular oxygen. In terms of releasing energy, pouring liquid oxygen on charcoal is the equivalent of throwing a live hand grenade into a 50 gallon vat of 150 proof White Lightening. What followed was the most impressive charcoal-lighting I have ever seen, featuring a large fireball that, according to Joe, reached 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The charcoal was ready for cooking in, * this has to be a world record *, 3 seconds. Will the 3-second barrier ever be broken? Will engineers come up with a new, more powerful charcoal-lighting technology? It's something for all of us to ponder NEXT summer as we plan the R10 SoCal picnic! Basically, the grill vaporized," said Mark. "We were thinking of using Ol'WDB's Gas BBQ next year... it has wheels and we may get it up to speed in as little as 3 - 4 minutes with automatic lighter, and water sprayer to cool the fast ignition of the meats". ----------------------------------------------------------------- ! = New entries this week ? = not responding ?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: Dec 11, 1999 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ ftp://sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html List server: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ ! 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Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/ Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian) ?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) Fidonet Via Internet Hubs a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 8 13 Dec 1999 Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum time between when the message is received, and when it is sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward, defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | T1?,30| $??/$10 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1,! | n/c 12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL | n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP | aDSL | $5/$15 mo. 106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | DS-3,5| $5/$15 mo 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL | n/c,60 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP | T3,30 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkD,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $10/mo 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn 2424/101 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c 2624/306 @ D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 3803/1 @ Ben Ritchey | UUE | 56k | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/626 | Filip Ruymen | Binkp, UUE | 128K+ | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 9 13 Dec 1999 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.isonline.com irc.killaz-r-us.com irc.korombos.org ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com, and complaints to jarhead@osirusoft.com . FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 10 13 Dec 1999 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 11 13 Dec 1999 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= Engineers and Lawyers Thanks to Roy Reed Three lawyers and three engineers are traveling by train to a conference. At the station, the three lawyers each buy tickets and watch as the three engineers buy only a single ticket. "How are three people going to travel on only one ticket?" asked one of the three lawyers. "Watch and you'll see," answers one of the engineers. They all board the train. The lawyers take their respective seats but all three engineers cram into a restroom and close the door behind them. Shortly after the train has departed, the conductor comes around collecting tickets. He knocks on the restroom door and says, "Ticket, please." The door opens just a crack and a single arm emerges with a ticket in hand. The conductor takes it and moves on. The lawyers saw this and agreed it was quite a clever idea. So after the conference, the lawyers decide to copy the engineers on the return trip and save some money. When they get to the station, they buy a single ticket for the return trip. To their astonishment, the engineers don't buy a ticket at all. "How are you going to travel without a ticket," asks one perplexed lawyer. "Watch and you'll see," says one of the engineers. When they board the train, the three lawyers cram into a restroom and the three engineers cram into another one nearby. The train departs. Shortly afterward, one of the engineers leaves his restroom and walks over to the restroom where the lawyers are hiding. He knocks on the door and says, "Ticket, please." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 12 13 Dec 1999 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= _ - ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ - _ / |~ |~ \ | |~ o| |~ o| | / \ o| o| / / \ / / / ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ / / . /* *\ / ./\. /\ /\ .//.\. **** **** .///\\\. (oo) (oo) ////\\\\. /-------\/ \/-------\ || /| || || |\ ~~ * ||----|| ||----|| * ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ Christmas Cowols ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 13 13 Dec 1999 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= Masthead + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, DougM@paonline.com | | Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org | | Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, jarhead@osirusoft.com | | (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) | | Columnist: Warren D. Bonner, 1:103/401, wdbonner@pacbell.net | | (Warren uses the pen name "Ol'WDB") | | Humor: Roy Reed, rcreed@juno.com | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince | | Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, | | Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141, and are used with permission. Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet. Fidonews is Copyright (C) 1999 by Douglas Myers, though authors retain rights to their contributed articles. Opinion expressed by the authors is strictly their own. Noncommercial duplication and distribution within Fidonet is encouraged. Authors are encouraged to send their articles in ASCII text to Douglas Myers at one of his addresses above. The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file area FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS. These sources are normally available through your Network Coordinator. The current and past issues are also available from the following sources: + -- -- -- -- -- -- - FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY - -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Freq FIDONEWS @ 1:270/720, 1:140/1, or 1:396/1 | | ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ | | ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ | | http://www.fidonews.org | | email subscription: majordomo@fidonews.org | | (subject: help body: list) | | ftp mail: ftpmail@fidonews.org (subject: help) | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + FIDONEWS 16-50 Page 14 13 Dec 1999 -----------------------------------------------------------------