F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 16 17 Apr 2000 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 | | | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 At What Age Maturity? .................................... 1 2. ARTICLES ................................................. 3 FOTI's new website ....................................... 3 3. COLUMNS .................................................. 4 Ol'WDB: Sayings .......................................... 4 This Weeks Web Page ...................................... 5 4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 6 Stupid People ............................................ 6 5. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 7 Famous Cows .............................................. 7 6. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 8 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 8 7. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 13 Masthead ................................................. 13 FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 1 17 Apr 2000 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= At What Age Maturity? Doug Myers The Halls of Fidonet are quiet tonight. The Fido Elders have retired to their Chambers and have not issued Pronouncements for a long time now. The Grunt Sysops are peacefully tilling their fields and don't seem in revolt at the moment. Indeed, the ElfLords seem to have dropped their agenda of atrocities. The mail movers haven't shot any stars out of the constellation; the splintering into more backbones seems arrested. All in all, it's a slow news day... But over in the Z1C echo, Stewart Hornsberger comes to our rescue, fending off several of Fido's more "experienced" sysops in an argument over maturity. Though I haven't examined all the messages related to the string, it appears that Stewart revealed his age of 19 on his web page, and was subsequently called down for "immaturity" in some of his subsequent posting. Whether the charge is accurate or not I couldn't tell you, as I didn't read the original messages. But I'm familiar with Stewart's posting in other conversations and know that he's given to passionate and confrontational exchanges which some associate with immaturity. Mr. Hornsberger mainly makes the point that maturity cannot be determined by age alone, and cites events in his life which would contribute to maturity at an early age, such as passing newspapers to purchase his first computers rather than being born with a keyboard in his lap. So at what age is one sufficiently mature to post in a Fidonet echo? The debate will undoubtedly continue to rage in the Z1C conference as I don't expect to resolve it here. However, I expect to make a few observations which may fuel the conversation... or, more likely, be disregarded as the ramblings of an editor trying to make something of a slow news day. Nineteen isn't such a bad age. Though the age seems far away to me at the age of 53, I seem to recall that I had most of my language skills developed by that age and had a good general idea of how people interacted. While I've got to admit that subsequent life experience has modified my approach to things, I believe that at the age of 19 I was sufficiently mature to enter conversations as an adult. But then, I wasn't online then... I was nineteen in the sixties and hardly anyone was online then! Especially, I wasn't interacting in a hobby which has somewhat passed its prime and whose participants tend to middle age rather than youth. To Stewart I can only offer this observation: if you post in a confrontational style, folks are going to look at you at the age of nineteen and say that the style is obviously a sign of immaturity. FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 2 17 Apr 2000 If *I*, at the age of 52, post in that same confrontational style, folks are going to conclude that it's obviously the sign of some mid-life crisis. If Warren Bonner posts in that same confrontational style, folks will conclude that it's a sign of dotage. Posting passionate messages arguing your maturity probably won't change folks perceptions... it's kinda like holding your breath until they see you as mature. To the more experienced participants in the discussion, I'll offer this observation: Like it or not, Stewart is the future of Fidonet. Any plan which will accomplish growth in Fido is going to have to involve younger people - the middle aged folks are already here :) Imagine... the future of Fido is in the hands of a sysop who goes by the handle of Black Death. Kinda scary, eh? ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 3 17 Apr 2000 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= FOTI's new website! Bobby Queen Folks as some of you may already know Simon Slater has stepped down as the webmaster of the FOTI (FidoNet on the Internet) site. I made an offer to take over the site and Simon agreed. The site's already be relocated to a new site at http://foti.webjump.com. I've already fixed all of the mail links etc & I'm now going to start on the list of all the echomail echos. The previous sites listing has links to any websites set up for the echos and email links to the moderators. I am going to get my email links from the elist echo list but if you have a webpage setup for your echo then you can send that info to me at foti@shelby.net. Any other suggestions can be sent to me at the same address. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 4 17 Apr 2000 ================================================================= COLUMNS ================================================================= "SAYINGS" Collected by wdbonner@pacbell.net Quotes: Ah, yes, "divorce," from the Latin word meaning "to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet." -Robin Williams Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself. -Roseanne Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place. -Billy Crystal I just broke up with someone and the last thing she said to me was, 'You'll never find anyone like me again!' I'm thinking, "I should hope not! If I don't want you, why would I want someone like you?" -Larry Miller If you want to say it with flowers, a single rose says: "I'm cheap!" -Delta Burke You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you this look that says, "My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!" - Dave Barry According to a new survey, women say they feel more comfortable undressing in front of men than they do undressing in front of other women. They say that women are too judgmental, where, of course, men are just grateful. - Jay Leno I am not the boss of my house. I don't know when I lost it. I don't know if I ever had it. But I have seen the boss's job and I do not want it. - Bill Cosby In the last couple of weeks I have seen the ads for the Wonder Bra. Is that really a problem in this country? Men not paying enough attention to women's breasts?- Jay Leno "Sure-nuff" Bumper Sticker Sayings: You are depriving some poor village of it's IDIOT. Your gene pool needs a little chlorine. 100,000 Sperm and YOU were the FASTEST? All men are animals... some just make better pets. You used to have a handle on life, but it broke! FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 5 17 Apr 2000 IF you don't feel close to God anymore, guess who moved... QUITURBITCHIN NOBACKSEATDRIVING ----------------------------------------------------------------- This Weeks Web Page by Frank Vest 1:124/6308(.1) What: Welcome to Echoes BBS Homepages Where: http://www.echos.demon.co.uk/index.html The BBS is located (as best I can tell) in Farnborough. I assume this is in England. This page's background is a nice star field. Below the "Welcome to Echoes BBS Homepages" is a Logo for the BBS. Also on this page is an Amiga Web Ring. Just below the Logo is the link "meet the Sysop". Check this out first. Steve has some interesting hobbies. :) The BBS is running on an Amiga. Click on the link "Tell me more about Echoes BBS" to find out about the system and other information on the BBS. The "Networks carried" link will take you to a page telling about the different Networks carried. Echos BBS has over 10 Networks connected according to this page. Point Systems are offered as well and explained on the pages. There is a page to apply for membership to the Echos BBS as well. The "Download filelists and guides" link offers files about the BBS, Pointing and File lists. There is a guest book as well. When you visit the page, be sure to sign it... I did. :) On the "Some of my other links" link is a place to add your own link along with many links to other interesting and helpful sites. When you're out surfing the Internet, drop by this page and look it over. Regards, Frank flv@texoma.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 6 17 Apr 2000 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= Stupid People Thanks to Roy Reed Stupid people should have to wear signs that just say, "I'm Stupid". That way you wouldn't rely on them, would you? You wouldn't ask them anything. It would be like, "Excuse me...oops, never mind. I didn't see your sign." It's like before my wife and I moved. Our house was full of boxes and there was a U-Haul truck in our driveway. My friend comes over and says "Hey, you moving?" "Nope. We just pack our stuff up once or twice a week to see how many boxes it takes. Here's your sign." A couple of months ago I went fishing with a buddy of mine, we pulled his boat into the dock, I lifted up this big 'ol stringer of bass and this idiot on the dock goes, "Hey, y'all catch all them fish?" "Nope - Talked 'em into giving up. Here's your sign." I was watching one of those animal shows on the Discovery Channel. There was a guy inventing a shark bite suit. And there's only one way to test it. "Alright Jimmy, you got that shark suit on, it looks good... They want you to jump into this pool of sharks, and you tell us if it hurts when they bite you." "Well, all right, but hold my sign. I don't wanna lose it." Last time I had a flat tire, I pulled my truck into one of those side-of-the-road gas stations. The attendant walks out, looks at my truck, looks at me, and I SWEAR he said, "Tire go flat?" I couldn't resist. Said, "Nope. I was driving around and those other three just swelled right up on me. Here's your sign." We were trying to sell our car about a year ago. A guy came over to the house and drove the car around for about 45 minutes. We get back to the house, he gets out of the car, reaches down and grabs the exhaust pipe, then says, "Darn that's hot!" See? If he'd been wearing his sign, I could have stopped him. I learned to drive an 18 wheeler in my days of adventure. Wouldn't ya know I misjudged the height of a bridge. The truck got stuck and I couldn't get it out no matter how I tried. I radioed in for help and eventually a local cop shows up to take the report. He went through his basic questioning..ok..no problem. I thought sure he was clear of needing a sign...until he asked "So..is your truck stuck?" I couldn't help myself! I looked at him, looked back at the rig and then back to him and said "no I'm delivering' a bridge...here's your sign." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 7 17 Apr 2000 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= Famous Cows \ _ / - ( ) - /\ / " \ /| | (__) (__) / | | (oo)\ ________(oo) /____| | \/| \ /| \/ / \/ | \ / |_______|| __(_______ |||__ \ * || || |__________| ||| ____\---* ^^ ^^ Thomas Edison's cow Cow hearing his master's voice ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 8 17 Apr 2000 ================================================================= INTERNET INFO ================================================================= ! = New entries this week ? = not responding ?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: April 1, 2000 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/ Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html List server: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/ Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/ Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14 Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 15: Region 16: Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130 Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.) Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 9 17 Apr 2000 Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/ Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) ? 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Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) Fidonet Via Internet Hubs See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum time between when the message is received, and when it is sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward, defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 10 17 Apr 2000 after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c 12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP | 384k,!| n/c 103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr 106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c 244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c 396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c 2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 11 17 Apr 2000 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.isonline.com irc.killaz-r-us.com irc.korombos.org ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com. All email addresses here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about obtaining a feed. Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 12 17 Apr 2000 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 13 17 Apr 2000 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFO ================================================================= Masthead + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, DougM@paonline.com | | Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org | | Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, jarhead@osirusoft.com | | (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) | | Columnist: Warren D. Bonner, 1:103/401, wdbonner@pacbell.net | | (Warren uses the pen name "Ol'WDB") | | Humor: Roy Reed, rcreedv@juno.com | | Features: Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1 | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince | | Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, | | Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141, and are used with permission. Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet. Fidonews is Copyright (C) 2000 by Douglas Myers, though authors retain rights to their contributed articles. Opinion expressed by the authors is strictly their own. Noncommercial duplication and distribution within Fidonet is encouraged. Authors are encouraged to send their articles in ASCII text to Douglas Myers at one of his addresses above. The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file area FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS. These sources are normally available through your Network Coordinator. The current and past issues are also available from the following sources: + -- -- -- -- -- -- - FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY - -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Freq FIDONEWS @ 1:270/720, 1:140/1, or 1:396/1 | | ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ | | ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ | | http://www.fidonews.org | | email subscription: majordomo@fidonews.org | | (subject: help body: list) | | ftp mail: ftpmail@fidonews.org (subject: help) | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + FIDONEWS 17-16 Page 14 17 Apr 2000 -----------------------------------------------------------------