F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 25 19 Jun 2000 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 | | | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 International Coordinator Election Proposed .............. 1 Interview with Ward Dossche .............................. 1 What Does P4 Say About the IC ............................ 2 IC Election - Opinion .................................... 4 2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 7 What's the Big Deal? ..................................... 7 3. COLUMNS .................................................. 8 Ol'WDB: Kids Say the Funniest Things .................... 8 This week's Web Page ..................................... 8 4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 10 Van Gogh Family Tree ..................................... 10 5. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 11 Cowtapult ................................................ 11 6. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 12 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 12 7. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 16 Masthead ................................................. 16 FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 1 19 Jun 2000 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= International Coordinator Election Proposed Doug Myers In the echo ZCC, Zone 4 Coordinator Luis Manterola and Zone 2 Coordinator Ward Dossche have proposed the Zone Coordinators hold an election for International Coordinator - noting that such an election should be held every two years. To date, only Ward Dossche has been nominated for candidacy. Bob Satti, the current International Coordinator, has not commented on the election proposal, nor indicated whether he will seek to continue in office. At this point, neither Luis nor Ward support Bob as an active candidate because he is not a current Zone Coordinator. Other Zone Coordinators have not indicated support of the election yet, though David Moufarrege (Z1C) is discussing the matter with his regions, and Malcolm Miles (Z6C) has asked Ward for positive reasons why he should replace Bob Satti as IC. Richard Pee (Z5C) and Chris Leung (Z6C) have not responded to the election proposal at this point. Though the echo ZCC is unavailable unless one happens to be a Zone Coordinator, messages from this echo are posted to the echo ZCC_PUBLIC which is available from most major mail hubs. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Interview with Ward Dossche Doug Myers I've taken license (perhaps undue license) in presenting the following dialog as an interview. Truth is, no actual interview was conducted. What did happen is that Ward granted me the courtesy of a phone call in response to a questionnaire I'd sent to him, Carol Shankenberger, Bob Satti, and David Moufarrege concerning the IC election. I was watching an old movie about the Lewis and Clark Expeditions at the time, so my only preparation was to shut off the television and pay attention. I didn't take notes, nor discuss with Ward that I would convert the friendly discussion into the following interview format. I did tell him that I wanted to present the information on the IC election proposal in Fidonews, so I don't believe that I'm violating his trust here - I just want the readers to know that the dialog reported is just my subjective impression of what was said. I've attempted to keep my own opinions out of this report, concentrating instead on the essence of the conversation. DM: Is there an election taking place for International Coordinator? WD: To be precise, we've proposed an election and no one has opposed it yet. Not all of the Zone Coordinators have given input FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 2 19 Jun 2000 yet, though. In particular, we're not even sure if the Zone 5 and Zone 6 Coordinators know of the proposal yet. DM: Are you planning to oppose Bob Satti in this election? WD: I ran against Bob Satti in the last election, and have taken issue with him in the past. But Satti's past performance isn't really an issue currently - we just feel that a new election should be held each two years. DM: Are you a candidate? And are there any others? WD: I've been nominated as the only candidate so far. I'd hoped to sit this election out and persuade Luis (Z4C) to run instead, but he feels that his candidacy wouldn't be appropriate due to the small number of nodes in Zone 4. I'd considered not running for another term as Zone 2 Coordinator (it takes me about three hours a day), but agreed to run again when asked. A few of us had questioned whether an International Coordinator was even needed - we ran for a few years without one between George Peace and Bob Satti - but we still think the Policy 4 revision is possible if an IC is in place to lead the effort. Fidonet really needs a revised Policy - it doesn't suit Zone 1 any more, and it never served the multi-cultural climate of Zone 2. DM: Is the Zone 2 Coordinator election still in progress? WD: Yes. It's going more slowly than I would have liked, but it's being handled properly - and I shouldn't get involved with administering the election anyway since I'm a candidate. At the moment, there are two of us running - there was a third candidate, but he dropped out for personal reasons. ----------------------------------------------------------------- What Does P4 Say About the IC Doug Myers Fidonet Policy 4.07 basically stipulates that the International Coordinator is selected by the six Zone Coordinators. Despite the seeming simplicity of that concept, though, numerous questions have been raised, such as: What, exactly, is expected of an International Coordinator? Can a sitting IC be replaced if he doesn't step down? Must the International Coordinator be a Zone Coordinator? How, exactly, do the Zone Coordinators select an IC if all Zone Coordinators don't give input? Before these and other questions are addressed in this series, the following relevant sections of Policy 4.07 are presented here: --------------- FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 3 19 Jun 2000 1.2.6 Zone Coordinator Council In certain cases, the Zone Coordinators work as a council to provide advice to the International Coordinator. The arrangement is similar to that between a president and advisors. In particular, this council considers inter-zonal issues. This includes, but is not limited to: working out the details of nodelist production, mediating inter-zonal disputes, and such issues not addressed at a lower level of FidoNet. 1.2.7 International Coordinator The International Coordinator is the "first among equals" Zone Coordinator, and coordinates the joint production of the master nodelist by the Zone Coordinators. The International Coordinator acts as the chair of the Zone Coordinator Council and as the overseer of elections -- arranging the announcement of referenda, the collection and counting of the ballots, and announcing the results for those issues that affect FidoNet as a whole. The International Coordinator is selected by the Zone Coordinators. 1.2.8 Top-down Organization. Checks and Balances. These levels act to distribute the administration and control of FidoNet to the lowest possible level, while still allowing for coordinated action over the entire mail system. Administration is made possible by operating in a top-down manner. That is, a person at any given level is responsible to the level above, and responsible for the level below. For example, a Regional Coordinator is responsible to the Zone Coordinator for anything that happens in the region. From the point of view of the Zone Coordinator, the Regional Coordinator is completely responsible for the smooth operation of the region. Likewise, from the point of view of the Regional Coordinator, the Network Coordinator is completely responsible for the smooth operation of the network. If a person at any level above sysop is unable to properly perform their duties, the person at the next level may replace them. For example, if a Regional Coordinator fails to perform, the Zone Coordinator can replace him. To provide for checks and balances at the highest level of FidoNet, there are two exceptions to this top-down organization. Zone Coordinators and the International Coordinator are selected by a majority vote of the coordinators at the level below. Similarly, decisions made by the International Coordinator can be reversed by the Zone Coordinator Council, and decisions made by a Zone Coordinator can be reversed by the Regional Coordinators. See sections 6 and 7 for details. Decisions made by other coordinators FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 4 19 Jun 2000 are not subject to reversal by a vote of the lower level, but instead are subject to the appeal process described in section 9.5. ----------------------------------------------------------------- IC Election - Opinion Doug Myers In the preceding three sections of this editorial series, I've attempted to act more as a reporter than to present editorial opinion. This part is a little different, though, in that it addresses some of the issues surrounding this and past elections. 1. What, exactly, is expected of an International Coordinator? Policy 4 specifically lists two duties: nodelist production and mediating interzonal disputes. A third item on the list, though not specific, could be construed as a catch all: "... and such issues not addressed at a lower level of Fidonet." If only the specific duties above were being considered, Bob Satti would probably be remembered as the perfect IC. Certainly his handling of nodelist production has been virtually flawless. And, though I'm not in a position to judge how he's handled interzonal disputes, the lack of controversy over them leads me to the conclusion that he's either handled them well or that such disputes are so infrequent as to render judgement academic. It's the catch all, however, which could prove Bob's undoing. He's been criticized in the past for the shrinking nodelist, though it's uncertain to this editor's mind whether ANYONE could have influenced that (it seems more of a function of the growing popularity of the internet than anyone's personal failure to me). It seems that no one else is named in P4 for maintaining Fido's numbers, so the expectation, fairly or unfairly, falls to the IC. More specific to this election is the growing expectation that the IC should initiate policy reform. Though, again, this is not specifically enumerated in policy - it seems like a reasonable expectation to me. This is not to say that I consider P4 revision to be easy, nor even necessarily likely... but if it is to be changed, it's hard to see how it's even possible without leadership from the chief executive of Fido. Will Ward Dossche provide that leadership if he's selected as the next IC? This question may be pivotal to the Zone Coordinators in their deliberation. Ward has the advantage of, at least, making noises in this direction. Bob, on the other hand, has been silent. 2. Can a sitting IC be replaced if he doesn't step down? Those who argue that he can't point out that P4 does not specifically mention either regular elections nor grant the Zone FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 5 19 Jun 2000 Coordinators the specific right to dismiss him. However P4 does specifically say that "The International Coordinator is selected by the Zone Coordinators." In this editor's opinion, the selection of a new IC automatically implies the dismissal of the old. Further, the section on checks and balances states that decisions made by the International Coordinator can be reversed by the Zone Coordinator Council - and this principle would presumably apply to a decision to remain in office. Perhaps the Zone Coordinators will figure that it isn't polite to replace a sitting IC... particularly when it can't be demonstrated that he's actually done anything wrong. But this would be a matter of not being able to muster a majority. It seems to me inconceivable that a sitting IC would retain the office in the face of a majority ZC selection of someone else. 3. Must the International Coordinator be a Zone Coordinator? The current situation argues that he need not be. Bob Satti relinquished his title of Z1C to David Moufarrege after the last election in Zone 1, but remains as IC to this day. Editorial opinion is that he would remain IC so long as the ZCC does not achieve a majority vote to replace him. Perhaps the more proper question is whether the IC must be a ZC at the time of his selection. Those who argue that he must cite the part of P4 where the IC is the "first among equals" Zone Coordinator. Editorial opinion is that this wording will probably convince ZCs in the future to select from among their rank, it is doubtful that the wording could override the specific majority vote if they were to elect Bob Satti for another term. Admittedly, this scenario doesn't seem likely. Should the Zone Coordinators wish to retain Bob Satti in the IC position, they would more likely vote to not hold the election. 4. How, exactly, do the Zone Coordinators select an IC if all the Zone Coordinators don't give input? This is a situation which may actually come up in this election, if present trends continue. Most notably, the Z5C and Z6C don't seem to be aware that IC selection is being proposed. The question is moot if the four zone coordinators who are presently speaking on the subject vote unanimously FOR a new IC, as four votes constitutes a majority under any circumstance. However, if such unanimity isn't achieved, and one or both absent ZCs remain absent, would less than four votes put a new IC in place? Editorial opinion is that three votes would be a credible majority if a legitimate effort to inform and get response from one or more of the absent ZCs is demonstrated, but the present two votes would be insufficient. - How should the Zone Coordinators vote? FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 6 19 Jun 2000 Durn. I was going to leave this question open and leave it to the Zone Coordinators to decide (which they'll do in practice anyway). But my wishy washy mindset evaporated while writing this, and the following opinion is appearing on my screen almost of it's own volition. I, personally, feel that Bob Satti has done a good job, both as Z1C and as IC. Despite personal difficulties and his lack of communicativeness throughout his terms, Fidonet is still together and working even in the face of declining membership. If he hasn't achieved popularity or distinction, he's at least done a craftsmanlike job. Nonetheless, Fido doesn't have a discernible plan for the future, and it's time we consider one. The shrinking nodelist is no longer a problem... it's a reality we must deal with. My own net, for example, once was a hubbub of activity and probably would have been viable even if not connected to the rest of Fidonet. Now it's down to two active members which I know of, one part-time NC, and one person polling me sporadically. How many nets, regions, or even zones are presently but a fraction of what they once were? Policy changes which reflect the reality of Fidonet today would be a good starting point. If Bob Satti is leaning in this direction, he's kept it a remarkable secret. Ward Dossche's vision of the future may not be complete, and there's no guarantee that he can deliver any more than Bob Satti could - but at least he's talking about the future. This editor, given a choice, would rather go down swinging than just let things happen. I urge the ZCC to consider selecting Ward Dossche as the next International Coordinator. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 7 19 Jun 2000 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= What's the Big Deal? Netmail from Roy J. Tellason 1:270/615 > The Souvestre Syndrome - This algorithm controls the distribution > of echoes which characterize Fidonet 2525. In the beginning, echo > distribution was influenced mightily by a different algorithm, the > Peace Plan, which, unfortunately, only allowed for the creation of > echoes and not their obliteration. The Souvestre Syndrome decreed > the expunging of empty echoes to compensate for the uncontrollable > growth possible under the Peace Plan. My question on this is why is it such a big deal? With new drives these days *not* being available in sizes less than 8-10 _gigs_, what difference does it make whether an echo exists in some list in some disk file? With CPU speeds approaching 1 GHz, what difference could it make in terms of processing speed? I've asked this question before and have yet to see any sort of an answer to it. --------------- Editor: Gimma a break, Roy - that editorial was tongue in cheek, and I don't usually have answers with my tongue so positioned. For what it's worth, though, I think you're setting up a straw man here. I don't recall anyone claiming that their hard drives were full nor that their computers couldn't process the echolist. Perhaps you got no response at the time because folks realized the straw man nature of your argument. At the time, I believe the "empty echo" proponents wanted to make life easier for echoes which saw only occasional traffic, and the opponents wanted to maintain an echolist which was predominantly active echoes so as not to disappoint people adding echoes. There was some merit on both sides of the argument. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 8 19 Jun 2000 ================================================================= COLUMNS ================================================================= OL'WDB's Column Kid's say the funniest things wdbonner@pacbell.net A little girl was observed by her pastor standing outside the pre-school Sunday School classroom between Sunday School and worship, waiting for her parents to come and pick her up for "big church." The pastor noticed that she clutched a big storybook under her arms with the obvious title, "Jonah and the Whale." Feeling a little pernicious, he knelt down beside the little girl and began a conversation. "What's that you have in your hand?", he asked. "This is my storybook about Jonah and the Whale," she answered. "Tell me something, little girl," he continued, "do you believe that story about Jonah and that whale to be the truth?" The little girl implored, "Why of course I believe this story to be the truth!" He inquired further, "You really believe that a man can be swallowed up by a big whale, stay inside him all that time, and come out of there still alive and OK? You really believe all that can be true?" She declared, "Absolutely, this story is in the Bible and we studied about it in Sunday School today!" Then the pastor asked, "Well, little girl, can you prove to me that this story is the truth?" She thought for a moment and then said, "Well, when I get to Heaven, I'll ask Jonah." The pastor then asked, "Well, what if Jonah's not in Heaven?" She then put her hands on her little hips and sternly declared, "Then YOU can ask him!" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ----------------------------------------------------------------- This weeks Web Page By Frank Vest This weeks page is the Data Stream page. FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 9 19 Jun 2000 Where? http://www.dsbbs.net/ What's it got? The "index" page is really a "forward" page. In other words, just a page that shows a logo and then forwards you to the "main" page. Of course, if you have a slow machine like mine, you get a good look at the logo which is pretty cool. :) This is the "Data Stream" page. When you get to the main page, you will see a "menu" at the top with options to take you to other pages on the site as well as "telnet" to the BBS that is the other side of this site. There are several games on the BBs side and most, if not all, are registered. If this is what you look for in a BBS, go for it. Of course, that's not all there is. Data Stream BBS has message areas as well. They are members of UseNet, FidoNet and LinearNet. There is also, according to the 'blurb" on the main page, "a moderate File Database." Two things that I noticed... There is a game called "Prima" that is downloadable here. I'm going to check into this as I'm always interested in a game for my BBS. :) The other thing is the link "What is a BBS?" doesn't seem to be working. Maybe it's a temporary thing, but I like to see these kinds of links working for all of us in the BBS world. While you're out "surfing the 'net", drop by and look the site over. Sign the guest book and see what's there. Regards till next week, Frank - flv@texoma.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 10 19 Jun 2000 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= Van Gogh Family Tree Thanks to Roy Reed His obnoxious brother.............Please Gogh His dizzy aunt........................Verti Gogh The brother who ate prunes...........Gotta Gogh The brother who worked at a convenience store......Stop'n Gogh The grandfather from Yugoslavia..........U Gogh The brother who bleached his clothes white......Hue Gogh The cousin from Illinois.............Chica Gogh His magician uncle.....................Wherediddy Gogh His Mexican friend....................Amee Gogh The Mexican friend's American half brother........Grin Gogh The nephew who drove a stagecoach.........Wellsfar Gogh The constipated uncle...............Can't Gogh The ballroom dancing aunt.............Tan Gogh The bird lover uncle................Flamin Gogh His nephew psychoanalyst...........E Gogh The fruit loving cousin................Man Gogh An aunt who taught positive thinking......Wayto Gogh The little bouncy nephew..............Poe Gogh A sister who loved disco...............Go Gogh His niece who travels the country in a van....Winnie Bay Gogh ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 11 19 Jun 2000 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= (__) (oo) \/ / / \\ / /\\ /\\ / / / \\ / / * |\ / | \ / \\ \ / \\ \ / \\___\ / \\ / \\ / / / \\ / \\ / / \\ / \\ / \\ \\ ===============================O=========== =========================================== O) O) cowtapult ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 12 19 Jun 2000 ================================================================= INTERNET INFO ================================================================= ! = New entries this week ? = not responding ?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: June 10, 2000 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/ Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/ Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/ Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14 Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 15: Region 16: Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140 Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19 Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130 Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.) Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 13 19 Jun 2000 http://www.was-ist-fido.de/ Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/ Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) ? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/ Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz ! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English) Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/ Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian) ?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) Fidonet Via Internet Hubs See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum time between when the message is received, and when it is sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward, defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 14 19 Jun 2000 after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c 12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c 103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr 106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c 244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c 396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c 2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c FIDONEWS 17-25 Page 15 19 Jun 2000 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * NFS = Linux Networking ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com. 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