F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 53 25 Dec 2000 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-714-639-0377 1:1/23 | | / \ | 1-714-532-1586 1:103/301 | | /|oo \ | BinkD supported both above | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Warren Bonner | | | (*) | \ )) | editor@fidonews.org | | |__U__| / \// | wdbonner@pacbell.net | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ *+*+*+*+*+* CHRISTMAS EDITION *+*+*+*+*+*+* Happy Holidays to all sysops in Fidoland! Table of Contents 1. HEADLINE ................................................. 1 *****HEADLINE***** ....................................... 1 2. CHAT WITH EDITOR ......................................... 3 -+-+-+EDITORIAL+-+-+- .................................... 3 3. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 7 +++LETTERS+++ ............................................ 7 4. ARTICLES ................................................. 9 ***ARTICLES of INTEREST*** ............................... 9 5. OL'WDB'S COLUMN .......................................... 11 *Ol'WDB's COLUMN* ........................................ 11 6. TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET .................................. 13 *TRUE SHORT STORIES* ..................................... 13 7. FACTS IN HISTORY ......................................... 17 -=+HISTORY of Armadillo+=- ............................... 17 8. RECIPES .................................................. 18 -=+Recipes+=- ............................................ 18 9. GETTING TECHNICAL ........................................ 21 *[Getting Technological Help]* ........................... 21 10. POET'S CORNER ........................................... 25 POETS CORNER ............................................. 25 11. HUMOR ................................................... 26 A FUNNY THING ............................................ 26 12. COMIX IN ASCII .......................................... 28 ***CHRISTMAS CARD*** ..................................... 28 13. WANTED .................................................. 29 *****WANTED***** ......................................... 29 14. QUESTION OF THE WEEK .................................... 30 THIS WEEK'S Question ..................................... 30 15. ANSWERS OF THE WEEK ..................................... 31 THIS WEEK'S Answer (18680) Wed 20 Dec 00 10:05p .......... 31 16. NOTICES ................................................. 32 ~~~~~~~~~~NOTICE~~~~~~~~~~ ............................... 32 And more! FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 1 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= HEADLINE ================================================================= -=+*MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR*+=- For the New Year Not Saving a Thing and I'm reading more and dusting less. I'm sitting in the yard and admiring the view withhout fussing about the weeds in the garden. I'm spending more time with my family and friends and less time at work. Whenever possible, life should be a pattern of experiences to savor, not to endure. I'm trying to recognize these moments now and cherish them. I'm not "saving" anything; we use our good china and crystal for every special event such as losing a pound, getting the sink unstopped, or the first Amaryllis blossom. I wear my good blazer to the market. My theory is if I look prosperous, I can shell out $28.49 for one small bag of groceries. I'm not saving my good perfume for special parties, but wearing it for clerks in the hardware store and tellers at the bank. "Someday" and "One of these days" are losing their grip on my vocabulary. If it's worth seeing or hearing or doing, I want to see and hear and do it now. I'm not sure what my cousins would've done had they known that they wouldn't be here for the tomorrow that we all take for granted. I think they would have called family members and a few close friends. They might have called a few former friends to apologize and mend fences for past squabbles. I like to think they would have gone out for a Chinese dinner, or for whatever their favorite food was. I'm guessing; I'll never know. It's those little things left undone that would make me angry if I knew my hours were limited. Angry because I hadn't written certain letters that I intended to write one of these days. Angry and sorry that I didn't tell my wife/husband and parents often enough how much I truly love them. I'm trying very hard not to put off, hold back, or save anything that would add laughter and luster to our lives. And every morning when I open my eyes, I tell myself that it is special. Every day, every minute, every breath truly is a gift. Take a few minutes to send this to a few people you care about,just to let them know that you're thinking of them. People say true friends must always hold hands, but true friends don't need to hold hands FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 2 25 Dec 2000 because they know the other hand will always be there." ~~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 3 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= CHAT WITH EDITOR ================================================================= This editorial follows the opinions of Frank, Stewart and Lesley-Dee, on who is responsiable.... By: Frank Vest To: Stewart Honsberger Re: simple things _____________________________________________________________________ On (22 Dec 00) Stewart Honsberger wrote to Frank Vest... Hello Stewart, LDD>> Darrell didn't directly intervene. Kari brought it to the attention of the "vocal" crowd in REG12, who immediately went into action to try...(missing end of sentence). FV>> How did he bring it to the attention of the "vocal crowd"? SH> He told us in a supreme gesture of bravado to fsck ourselves, he was outta there. FV> Ok. I'll assume that you were in the Net that he was NC of? LDD> to track down the nodes Kari was attempting to unilaterally excommunicate. We, the vocal crowd in REG12, instructed Darrell that Kari should not be allowed to excommunicate his nodes until such time as their presence or absence was verified by someone else. Did Kari say that he was excommunicating those Nodes? SH> Quite plainly, IIRC. I hope you recall correctly if you were in the affected Net. :-) LDD> Submitting a nodelist seg that excommunicates nodes, or is otherwise unacceptably inaccurate, will always lead to the region demanding that the RC withhold the seg. FV> True, if: The Nodes in the affected Net instruct the RC to withhold the segment. False if: The Nodes in the affected Net don't contact the RC. SH> Completely false if: He cut their feed path, he cut their nodelist access; he arbitrarily excommunicated them and didn't give them the CHANCE of calling for help. FV> They can/could still contact their RC via Crash Direct Netmail. FV> From my perception of the way R12 and others that are arguing for freedom and democracy here feel, any intrusion by an RC into the workings (positive or negative) of a Net shouldn't happen. SH> The belief in freedom does not force one to walk past a rape. FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 4 25 Dec 2000 FV> In using the arguments that I see in here a lot by both sides... We were not talking about a rape. SH> Personally, I'd protect the woman's right not to be sexually violated, much like we (primarily those who were most proactive in organizing feeds for the nodes) protected the rights of the sysops. FV> Ah yes, but did the Sysops want that protection? SH> In your above paragraph, you forget that the NC is just a clerk, and has no power to make arbitrary descisions. Had he come to us with a (missing ending). FV> You forget that power can be perceived and arbitrary decisions made based on that perceived power. SH> message saying that he'd received confirmation from each and every node in the net that they were shutting down simultaneously, we would likely confirm it for ourselves, try to convince them to stick around, and failing that, let it go. As for dissolving the net; after he submits an entry without himself listed as NC, he no longer has control of that net. He can't dissolve one of our nets without our consent. True, but the segment he submitted should have been honored since he was the NC till that segment was processed... or the attempt to process made. FV> Did the Sysops in the affected Net ask for intervention, or was it just the "vocal crowd"? If none in the Net cared enough to act, why did the RC intervene? Isn't that wrong? I'm trying to understand. Please forgive me, but Carl didn't state that anyone asked for intervention. You didn't state if the affected Sysops asked or wanted intervention. From my perception of the wishes of the sysops is the intervention without being asked wrong? SH> Intervention without being asked is most certainly not 'wrong', atleast not in my eyes. The merger of R14+15 was stopped by the "vocal crowd" all across zone 1 telling Mouf in no uncertain terms that it wasn't going to happen. FV> Ah... Now we get to it. If I remember right, R14 stepped in and asked for help once they were notified of/realized the problem. From the way this was sounding, the R12C intervened without being asked... IOW, uninvited. SH> Intervention to save one from his oppressor is a benefeit, not a SH> hinderance. FV> Only if the one wants to be saved. FV> Thank you for your insight and opinion. Regards, Frank FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 5 25 Dec 2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- By: Carl Austin Bennett To: Foxy Ferguson Re: RE: simple things ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CAB> I'd imagine that anyone who'd choose to follow P4 to the letter and avoid eeking a geographical exemption is stuck where they are due to P4 itself. FF> Wrong. Geographical exemptions have been allowed since P4 first FF> went into effect (9th June, 1989, fyi). They are quite acceptable CAB> Then why was R12 threatened with PCs for having nodelisted Ruth's net? FF> Ya'll's sysops "voted with their feet" and moved here, being (so I believe) dissatisfied with the practices of R12, specifically that of being dictated to as regards their mail links. All quite "legal" per P4. CAB> Dictated to as regards their mail links? That's news to me. I was sure that some of us are feeding from out-of-region and bless my lucky southern stars, I have no idea why anyone would've thought that it wouldn't be allowed. FF> your becoming the R12C is a telling measure of just how much ya'll really *DO* acknowledge the existence of the organizational structure delineated in P4. If ya'll were truly all =that= anti-P4, you would not even HAVE a Region Coordinator. Nor Net Coordinators. FF> We just put all those lines in our nodelists so that we don't get mistaken for part of Region 11 by software which is following the FTSC-0005 specifications. FF> Once the sysops are fed up with me they'll just put Ruth or someone else there.Even if that means a "sysop-level election" which isn't anywhere in your P4. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- By: Lesley-Dee Dylan To: Frank Vest Re: simple things ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LD> Darrell didn't directly intervene. Kari brought it to the attention of the "vocal" crowd in REG12, who immediately went into action to try FV> How did he bring it to the attention of the "vocal crowd"? LDD> Kari made an annoucement in REG12 that he was doing it. FV> Did Kari say that he was excommunicating those Nodes? LDD> If the node suddenly disappears from the net, it is unable to communicate - therefore it is excommunicated. FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 6 25 Dec 2000 FV> True, if: The Nodes in the affected Net instruct the RC to FV> withhold the segment. LDD> Kari didn't leave the nodes time to do that. He was their feed - and he was constantly disrupting the feed of REG12 to and from his downlinks - we would see evidence of it when a message would suddenly appear with a 10-day-old time stamp. To give us time to contact the nodes and ask them (since we didn't trust Kari), we asked Darrell to delay processing that segment. FV> From my perception of the way R12 and others that are arguing for FV> freedom and democracy here feel, any intrusion by an RC into the FV> workings (positive or negative) of a Net shouldn't happen. LDD> No unilateral excommunication of nodes is tolerated in Region 12 by any NC or RC. The NC who wishes to be rid of a node (and it does happen), does not excommunicate the node - s/he tosses the node up to the RC to become a regional independent, or for the RC to find a new net for him/her to join. Like was done to Jim Rysyk. By Policy 4, there were more than enough grounds to excommunicate him (counterfeiting mail - both in FN_SYSOP and in Netmail, where he used Darren Whiteman's address to send hate-netmail to a non-existent user (with my name) on my NC's system). He had also crashed the NC's system repeatedly with defectively configured software, so the NC no longer felt he should be obligated to provide him with the mandatory nodediff and snooze. As a regional independent, no NC was obligated to provide him with a feed, but he could attain a feed from anyone willing to put up with him. ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 7 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= (18811) Thu 21 Dec 00 11:40a Rcvd: Fri 22 Dec 11:27a By: Carol Shenkenberger To: Warren Bonner Re: Re: Congrats! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Quoting Warren Bonner from a message to Carol Shenkenberger *** CS> Snicker, silently, while no one was looking, we slipped in 2 female RC's, a female ZLC, and now the Z1C.. Now, lets play house . > xxcarol WB> OK! 8^)) [chortle] Pretty slick how the boys got the girls to do most of the work... huh? {Running for cover... heeheh} CS> ARGH! So thats the plan! We keep the house and you guys get to play! Harumpf!! (Stomping off, gotta go wash the nodelist...) xxcarol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (18608) Wed 20 Dec 00 12:35p By: Lesley-Dee Dylan To: All Re: Seasons Greetings St: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- All................ From me (the wishor) to you ("hereinafter called the wishee"). Please accept without obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, politically correct, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all............. and a financially successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2001, but with due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures or sects, and having regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform or dietary preference of the wishee. By accepting this greeting you are bound by these terms that:- * This greeting is subject to further clarification or withdrawal. * This greeting is freely transferable provided that no alteration shall be made to the original greeting and that the proprietary rights of the wishor are acknowledged. FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 8 25 Dec 2000 * This greeting implies no promise by the wishor to actually implement any of the wishes. * This greeting may not be enforceable in certain jurisdictions and/or the restrictions herein may not be binding upon certain wishees in certain jurisdictions and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wishor. * This greeting is warranted to perform as reasonably may be expected within the usual application of good tidings, for a period of one year or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first. * The wishor warrants this greeting only for the limited replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wishor. * Any references in this greeting to "the Lord", "Father Christmas", "Our Saviour", or any other festive figures, whether actual or fictitious, dead or alive, shall not imply any endorsement by or from them in respect of this greeting, and all proprietary rights in any referenced third party names and images are hereby acknowledged. (That's what you get when your attorney/lawyer/solicitor draws up your seasons greetings!) Have a nice.......................whatever(?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 9 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= By: mark lewis To: Carl Austin Bennett ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AS>> And regardless of your reason for not voting, AS>> don't forget, you have just lost your right AS>> to complain until the next election. CAB> So what happens if one of the sysops, for CAB> whatever reason, isn't able to find any CAB> candidate whom they support or which CAB> reflects their individual viewpoint? do you think that every election has everyone's support for every candidate??? i (for one) can/will tell ya that i haven't agreed with any candidates that have run for any office in all the years that i've been a registered voter... here in fidonet, there's been many the time that, just like on the "outside," one has to vote for someone/thing if one wants to have _any_ voice in the subsequent proceedings... if you don't vote, you can't bitch... it's plain and simple... those of us who did vote have earned the right to bitch... anyone who didn't vote is nothing but a whiner and hate monger... these aren't my words... they've been around for a lot longer than i have... )\/(ark * Origin: (1:3634/12) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- By: mark lewis To: Dale Ross Re: simple things ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DR> If they made a concious decision not to vote they DR> forfeited nothing. Declining to vote is a vote. then they should have submitted and empty ballot... if they submitted no ballot, then they _didn't_ vote... they just stood there scratchin' their backsides and hampering those who did want to vote... even now, they're still scratchin' their backsides only they don't know it and they're trying to figure out where the smell is coming from... )\/(ark * Origin: (1:3634/12) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Mutha" To:wdbonner@pacbell.net Subject:Your Z1C election Date: Friday, December 22, 2000 3:03 PM FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 10 25 Dec 2000 Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." -- Joseph Stalin ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 11 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= OL'WDB'S COLUMN ================================================================= Dalai Lama on 2001 This is what The Dalai Lama has to say to Ol'WDB on the millennium, which begins 01/01/2001. All it takes is a few seconds to read and think about. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Instructions for Life in the new millennium from the Dalai Lama: 1. Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great risk. 2. When you lose, don't lose the lesson. 3. Follow the three Rs: Respect for self, respect for others responsibility for all your actions. 4. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck. 5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. 6. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. 7. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it. 8. Spend some time alone every day. 9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. 10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. 11. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. 12. A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life. 13. In disagreements with loved ones, deal only with the current situation. Don't bring up the past. 14. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality. 15. Be gentle with the earth. 16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. 17. Remember that the best relationship is one in which your love for each other exceeds your need for each other. 18. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it. FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 12 25 Dec 2000 19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. 20. And lastly, Never argue with Foxy... you will lose! 8^) ~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 13 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET ================================================================= The Warmth of a Smile This is a good story, please read it all the way through. I am a mother of three (ages 14,12, 3) and have recently completed my college degree. The last class I had to take was Sociology. The teacher was absolutely inspiring with the qualities that I wish every human being had been graced with. Her last project of the term was called "Smile." The class was asked to go out and smile at three people and document their reactions. I am a very friendly person and always smile at everyone and say hello anyway, so, I thought this would be a piece of cake, literally. Soon after we were assigned the project, my husband, youngest son, and I went out to McDonald's one crisp March morning. It was just our way of sharing special play time with our son. We were standing in line, waiting to be served, when all of a sudden everyone around us began to back away, and then even my husband did. I did not move an inch...an overwhelming feeling of panic welled up inside of me as I turned to see why they had moved. As I turned around I smelled a horrible "dirty body" smell, and there standing behind me were two poor homeless men. As I looked down at the short gentleman, close to me, he was "smiling". His beautiful sky blue eyes were full of God's Light as he searched for acceptance. He said,"Good day" as he counted the few coins he had been clutching. The second man fumbled with his hands as he stood behind his friend. I realized the second man was mentally deficient and the blue eyed gentleman was his salvation. I held my tears as I stood there with them. The young lady at the counter asked him what they wanted. He said, "Coffee is all Miss" because that was all they could afford. (If they wanted to sit in the restaurant and warm up, they had to buy something. He just wanted to be warm). Then I really felt it - the compulsion was so great I almost reached out and embraced the little man with the blue eyes. That is when I noticed all eyes in the restaurant were set on me, judging my every action. I smiled and asked the young lady behind the counter to give me two more breakfast meals on a separate tray. I then walked around the corner to the table that the men had chosen as a resting spot. I put the tray on the table and laid my hand on the blue eyed gentleman's cold hand. He looked up at me, with tears in his eyes, and said, "Thank you." I leaned over, began to pat his hand and said, "I did not do this for you. God is here working through me to give you hope." FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 14 25 Dec 2000 I started to cry as I walked away to join my husband and son. When I sat down my husband smiled at me and said, "That is why God gave you me, Honey. To give me hope." We held hands for a moment and at that time we knew that only because of the Grace that we had been given were we able to give. We are not church goers, but we are believers. That day showed me the pure Light of God's sweet love. I returned to college, on the last evening of class, with this story in hand. I turned in "my project" and the instructor read it. Then she looked up at me and said, "Can I share this?" I slowly nodded as she got the attention of the class. She began to read and that is when I knew that we as human beings and being part of God, share this need to heal people and be healed. In my own way I had touched the people at McDonald's, my husband, son, instructor, and every soul that shared the classroom on the last night I spent as a college student. I graduated with one of the biggest lessons I would ever learn: UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE. Much love and compassion is sent to each and every person who may read this and learn how to LOVE PEOPLE AND USE THINGS - NOT LOVE THINGS AND USE PEOPLE. If you think this story has touched you in any way, please send this to everyone you know. Many people will walk in and out of your life, but only true friends will leave footprints in your heart. To handle yourself, use your head, To handle others, use your heart. Keep this going. Sharon Weston ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Holiday Eating Tips: The below was written by Craig Wilson, USA TODAY I hate this time of year. Not for its crass commercialism and forced frivolity, but because it's the season when the food police come out with their wagging fingers and annual tips on how to get through the holidays without gaining 10 pounds. You can't pick up a magazine without finding a list of holiday eating do's and don'ts. Eliminate second helpings, high-calorie sauces and cookies made with butter, they say. Fill up on vegetable sticks, they say. Good grief. Is your favorite childhood memory of Christmas a carrot stick? I didn't think so. Isn't mine, either. A carrot was something you left for Rudolph. I have my own list of tips for holiday eating. I assure you, if you follow them, you'll be fat and happy. So what if you don't make it to New Year's? Your pants won't fit anymore, anyway. 1. About those carrot sticks. Avoid them. Anyone who puts carrots on a holiday buffet table knows nothing of the Christmas spirit. In fact, FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 15 25 Dec 2000 if you see carrots, leave immediately. Go next door, where they're serving rum balls. 2. Drink as much eggnog as you can. And quickly. Like fine single-malt scotch, it's rare. In fact, it's even rarer than single-malt scotch. You can't find it any other time of year but now. So drink up! Who cares that it has 10,000 calories in every sip? It's not as if you're going to turn into an eggnogaholic or something. It's a treat. Enjoy it. Have one for me. Have two. It's later than you think. It's Christmas! 3. If something comes with gravy, use it. That's the whole point of gravy. Gravy does not stand alone. Pour it on. Make a volcano out of your mashed potatoes. Fill it with gravy. Eat the volcano. Repeat. 4. As for mashed potatoes, always ask if they're made with skim milk or whole milk. If it's skim, pass. Why bother? It's like buying a sports car with an automatic transmission. 5. Do not have a snack before going to a party in an effort to control your eating. The whole point of going to a Christmas party is to eat other people's food for free. Lots of it. Hello? Remember college? 6. Under no circumstances should you exercise between now and New Year's. You can do that in January when you have nothing else to do. This is the time for long naps, which you'll need after circling the buffet table while carrying a 10-pound plate of food and that vat of eggnog. 7. If you come across something really good at a buffet table, like frosted Christmas cookies in the shape and size of Santa, position yourself near them and don't budge. Have as many as you can before becoming the center of attention. They're like a beautiful pair of shoes. You can't leave them behind. You're not going to see them again. 8. Same for pies. Apple. Pumpkin. Mincemeat. Have a slice of each. Or, if you don't like mincemeat, have two apples and one pumpkin. Always have three. When else do you get to have more than one dessert? Labor Day? 9. Did someone mention fruitcake? Granted, it's loaded with the mandatory celebratory calories, but avoid it at all cost. I mean, have some standards, mate. 10. And one final tip: If you don't feel terrible when you leave the party or get up from the table, you haven't been paying attention. Reread tips. Start over. But hurry! Cookieless January is just around the corner ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 16 25 Dec 2000 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 17 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= FACTS IN HISTORY ================================================================= By: Mike Luther To: Michael Grant ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You betcha Mike! MG> Armadillo's burrow, don't they? So long as they can MG> get down three feet deep, below the frost, they'll be MG> ok.. MG> The gophers won't like it, but Saskatchabush is a big province. Dig? Just *TRY* to hold on to one by the tail and pull it out of the hole! Now as to how deep, you know with the tons of the fool things around here,I've never tried to determine the hole depth! They can do more damage to a nice lawn in one night than ten times their weight in gophers! They have one other endearing quality! They are the only other animal than man, that I know of, that can host Human Leprosy! There is a statistically positive coefficient of coorelation in a rise in Leprosy in folks whose diet has had a regular dose of Hoover Hog.. That's the Great Depression nickname for 'em! Mike @ 117/3001 ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 18 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= RECIPES ================================================================= Title: Sour Creamed Pot Roast Categories: Bacon, Beef, Main dish, Pasta, Crockpot Yield: 6 Servings 2 sl Bacon -- diced 2 To 4 lbs. 3/4 c Chopped onion 3/4 c Water 1 ts Salt 1/4 ts Cumin 1/4 ts Pepper 1 Bay leaf 1/2 c Sour cream 2 tb Flour 2 tb Parsley -- snipped 1/2 ts Kitchen Boquet -- optional Hot cooked noodles Beef chuck pot roast Cook bacon until crisp. Drain. Reserve drippings in pan. Trim fat from roast. Brown in Dutch oven on all sides in drippings. Add onion, bay leaf, water, salt, cumin and pepper. Cover and cook on stovetop or bake at 325 for two hours. Remove meat to platter. Keep warm. Skim any fat from pan. Discard bay leaf. Blend sour cream with flour. Add 1/4 cup pan juices to sour cream. Return to pot. Cook and stir until thick, but DO NOT BOIL. Stir in parsley, bacon and Kitchen Bouquet. Season with salt and pepper to taste. Serve with roast and noodles. Crock Pot: Prepare bacon as above, reserving drippings. Brown meat. (You may need to cut in half to fit in pot.) Tranfer to cooker. Add onion, only 1/4 cup of water and rest of above ingredients. Cover and cook on Low for 8-10 hours. Remove raost, discard bay leaf, skim fat. Pour juices into saucepan. Return roast to crock pot. Make sauce as above. Season and serve as above. Recipe By: BHG, Beef Cookbook ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ by: Carol Shenkenberger To: All Re: OH MY! Now Thom's at it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, Thom, my 23 lb cat, has decided to continue the tradition! Here I was, making up a pot of crawdaddys for the first time in ages (last time if you recall, one escaped right into Roscoe's claws and the rest decided a hot bath wasnt such a bad idea afterall). Well, thesewere frozen ones (Kinda outa season here to get other types). Fixed 'em up and set'em on the table. While Charlotte was grabbing napkins, the big galoot stole 2 and hid under the xmas tree! I figured it out as Charlotte starting giggling at the new 'decorations'. Yup. he ate what he could get at, and tucked the rest FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 19 25 Dec 2000 on the lower branch of the tree.. Saving it no doubt for later attempts . Meantime, seemed best to finally post just how I make'em. I make'em fairly mild but you can 'kick it up a notch' rather easy. You've heard of Debbie Does Dallas? Here's XX does Crawdaddy! Title: Xx does Crawdaddy Categories: Xxcarol, Seafood, Crawfish, Diabetic Yield: 4 Servings 3 lb Whole crawfish 4 tb Old bay seasoning 1/4 c Vinigar 1/2 tb Black pepper, fresh ground 1 1/2 qt Water, or 'to cover' Aiiee! This is good and so simple, my daughter Charlotte (age 7) helped me make it! Sadly, she also ate 1/2 of it so '4 servings' might be a bit off but for most folks, probably about right . Take the crawdads and if frozen, let defrost first. This is one of the few recipes that will work well with frozen precooked whole ones, so take note if that's what you have where you are. Fill your pot about 1/2 way with the water, Old Bay, and black pepper. Feel free to add more 'Old Bay' or a dash of tabasco or so, if you like it nice and hot. Stir this mix and let come to a low boil. Add the crawdads and if pre-cooked, turn off the heat. If live, bring back to a boil for 3-5 mins then turn off the heat. Let sit in the hot water, soaking in the flavors for 5 mins or so. Ready to serve then, but they will wait patiently as long as warm, or longer if setting the table. If serving Crawdads, or other foods with shells, be sure to provide a 'shell dish' so your guests/family have a place other than their plate to stow them. ++++++PLUS++++++ From the Kitchen of: xxcarol Title: Xxcarol's ColeSlaw Categories: Xxcarol, Cabbage, Diabetic, Salads Yield: 8 Servings 6 c Cabbage, shredded, 1/2 c Mayonaise 1/8 c Brown spicy mustard, 1 md Onion, chopped fine 1 tb Black ground pepper Ok, that above is the basics. If you like a dryer slaw, add more cabbage! If you like one spicier, the basic was above and added to it is always some of the below: Optionals- 1/3 cup Green or Black Olives or mix (added so often I almost tucked this in the 'must' above) : - Pimentos, pecans or walnuts (crushed a bit), sliced cherry tomatos (suggest this be garnish as it doesnt last long in the slaw), small crunchy bits of leftover raw radish, turnip, jicama, and/or waterchestnut, . Salt to taste when serving. Have a bottle of hotsauce nearby for FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 20 25 Dec 2000 those who like that as the flavors blend well. From the kitchen of: xxcarol From: Carol Shenkenberger (The coleslaw is a perfect match). xxcarol ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 21 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= GETTING TECHNICAL ================================================================= By: Carol Shenkenberger, Shenk's Express (275/100) To: Warren Bonner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello all! In reference to queries on how to setup a BBS, I have put together a simple help file. It contains examples of some ways to do things for a simple, single node system mostly. In order to make it easier to follow, I have used 'generic conventional' names and paths through out the FAQ. You do NOT need to use the same ones, and for added security you SHOULD change them. You will find a general reference to the names used, at the end. The softwares used are primarily FrontDoor version 2.25 and DOS version 5.0. If you have a 28.8 or better modem, you will need to upgrade to FD2.12 or higher to support it properly. While FD is the primary one dealt with here it probably isn't that radically different in concept for other front end softwares. FD2.25 has only one method of passing the errorlevel. This FAQ shows the DOBBS/EXEBBS method required for FD2.25/SW users and usable by earlier FD versions. The second FAQ (shown later) shows the 'one bat file, errorlevel method' which may be used with FD2.12/SW or below. The essential difference for those using FD2.12/SW and below is in having one long bat file, or several short ones. There is also some added capability in the DOBBS/EXEBBS method as it allows you to pass the time of the next FD event, and /ARQ connection information. Suit yourself to what you like best if using FD2.12/SW and below. 1. Go into FD config, and make sure you have assigned a number to each baud rate connecting to your system. In this example, we used errorlevel 200 for all connection speeds and turned on the 'create bat file option' in FD. 2. Add the following to your 'frodo.bat' file or just replace your old one with this example then add in what you need for your setup. ---- begin FRODO.BAT----- @Echo off c: cd \fd :Start Cd\fd fd If ERRORLEVEL 253 Goto Mail_Out If ERRORLEVEL 252 Goto Make_Node FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 22 25 Dec 2000 If ERRORLEVEL 209 Goto Mail_Test ;Function Key activated If ERRORLEVEL 201 Goto FB100 If ERRORLEVEL 200 Goto Connect Goto end :Mail_Out ;Gecho 1.11+ specific, adapt as needed! c: cd c:\fd AT H1 1 DEL c:\tg\tgmscan.now GEcho toss -NOMGR GEcho scan GEcho MGR MBUTIL pack -renumber -link -purge Goto Start :Make_Node If Exist c:\fd\file\nodediff.* Goto Node_Here Goto Start :Node_Here Copy c:\fd\file\nodediff.* c:\fd\nodelist cd c:\fd\nodelist editnl cd c:\fd fdnc /f Goto Start :FB100 ;external event in FD to do 'stuff' as needed CD \tg\FFS ;for online games and other items needed nightly FISHMANT CD \FD mbutil pack -renumber -link -purge cd \tg INDEX BUILD ALL INDEX SORT ALL cd \tg\goc maint cd \fd call tickout.bat ; processes inbound filebone Goto Start :Connect ;here begins the connection sequence call dobbs0.bat ;note FD2.25 makes dobbs0.bat ;FD2.12 and below makes DOBBS.BAT :Mail_Test IF EXIST C:\TG\ECHOMAIL.TG? GOTO Mail_Out Goto Start :End -----end FRODO.BAT------- DOBBS0.BAT is created by FD each BBS call, and it then activates EXEBBS.BAT which you design. (Reminder, in FD2.12 it is DOBBS.bat). FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 23 25 Dec 2000 EXEBBS.BAT (This file is activated by DOBBS0.BAT or DOBBS.BAT): ----begin EXEBBS.BAT-------------- C: CD \TG TELEGARD -B%1 -X%3 -N%4 -C%5 -Q If Not Exist c:\tg\ECHOMAIL.TG? GoTo End Del c:\tg\ECHOMAIL.TG? cd \fd Gecho Toss Gecho Scan :END Frodo ; your FD batch file This is a very basic batch file to startup TG with the DOBBS process. Make note that if you use another filename for your 'FD.BAT' other than 'FRODO.BAT' you will need to change it here too! If you dont, your BBS will land in 'zululand' because it wont know what to do after a caller exits! (Note: %1=baud, %2=port, %3=time till next event, %4=node if multinode, %5=other modem connect info such as if it is an ARQ connection) Informational assistance provided by Kevin Watkins. Note, this version shows also how to scan for mail left by a caller and packing if they left any outbound mail by checking for the existance of a ECHOMAIL.TG? file. This is optional and the mail_test routine shows for local sysop mail. The echomail.tg? means in place of the ? to use J for Jam or S for Squish. Replace as needed for other BBS softwares. For informational purposes, here is a rundown of some of the lines you may not be familiar with: AT H1 1 - This is a common software which is called AT.COM and manipulates your modem. In this case, it is taking a modem on Com1, offline. Depending on your modem brand, you may not need an extra utility to do this. Both FD and TG have the capability of taking the modem offline for you. It is there only for assistance of those sysops who's modems wont stay offline with FD's codes. EDITNL - This is one of the many nodediff merging softwares on the market. Depending on your version, the addition of the /KILL switch, will also delete the old nodediffs. It was included only as an example, and you should use whatever you find at a local dial. Mergenl is widely available and does the same thing. MBUTIL - Gecho specific packer for message bases. See the 3rd FAQ for other examples of tossing/packing sequences you may use for your needs. End FAQ 1. xxcarol TG Beta Norfolk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 24 25 Dec 2000 By: David Hallford To: Jerry Schwartz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HI Jerry! >DH> One of the ideas I've been playing with is a routing flag. A non-traditional node who can only pick up their mail from one source would use this flag to tell folks where to route their mail to. JS> That raises two problems: JS> 1. Just because you fly a RVIA flag doesn't mean I know how to reach your feed, nor that I can connect with it. DH> True. I'm working under the asumption that the person flying the RVIA flag is smmartenough to figure this out or they won't get any mail. JS> 2. There would have to be some mechanism to prevent circularity, and since I don't see how that could be economically implemented in the nodelist itself then any software which reads the RVIA flag would have to have logic programmed in to keep it from looping endlessly. DH> I tend to view these things from my own perspective as a utility writer. I don't imagine a mailer author would ever update his/her mailer to reflect an changes so I tend to figure out how I would make it work with the current version of the software (always starting with the software I use - of cours ). DH> I would write it so that it actually looked for a viable path to the region or zone first. That part is not written since I haven't sat down and typed any code yet. This idea languished for over a year and has only recently been resurected. with warm regards, Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 25 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= POET'S CORNER ================================================================= There's a special day it comes but once a year It is very merry with Yule tide cheer It brings presents, snow and Eskimo Oh don't you know it's Christmas time again. It's time for family, and all your closest friends Most never want Christmas time to ever end Oh don't you know it's Christmas time again. Malls are busy shoppers every were Lights on houses blinking over here and there Oh don't you know it's Christmas time again. White snow sparkles, it sparkles every where People sing Christmas carols, you here them fill the air Oh don't you know it's Christmas time again. Children sit on Santa knee while they plead for what they want Stocking hung above the fire place, Cookies set down below Oh don't you know it's Christmas time again, Ho Ho HO!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 26 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= HUMOR ================================================================= "GOODBYE, MOTHER" I was walking through the supermarket to pick up a few things when I noticed an old lady following me around. Thinking nothing of it, I ignored her and continued on. Finally I went to the checkout line, but she got in front of me. "Pardon me," she said, "I'm sorry if my staring at you has made you feel uncomfortable. It's just that you look just like my son, who just died recently." "I'm very sorry," I said to her, "Is there anything I can do for you?" "Yes," she said, "As I'm leaving, can you say 'Good bye, Mother? It would make me feel so much better." "Sure," I said. An odd request, but no harm would come of it. As the old woman was leaving, I called out, "Goodbye, Mother!" As I stepped up to the checkout counter, I saw that my total was $127.50. "How can that be?" I asked, "I only purchased a few things!" "Your mother said that you would pay for her," said the clerk. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A couple was touring the capitol in Washington, DC, and the guide pointed out a tall, benevolent gentleman as the congressional chaplain. The lady asked, "What does the chaplain do? Does he pray for the Senate or House?" The guide answered, "No, he gets up, looks at both houses of Congress, then prays for the country!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PUNCTUATION The kindergarten class had a homework assignment to find out about something exciting and relate it to the class the next day. When the time came for the little kids to give their reports, the teacher was calling on them one at a time. The teacher was reluctant to call upon little Johnnie, knowing that he sometimes could be a bit crude. But eventually his turn came. Little Johnnie walked up to the front of the class, and with a piece of chalk, made a small white dot on the blackboard, then sat back down. Well the FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 27 25 Dec 2000 teacher couldn't figure out what Johnnie had in mind for his report on something exciting, so she asked him just what that was. 'It's a period', Johnnie explained. 'Well I can see that,' she said, 'but what is so exciting about a period?' 'Damned if I know,' said Johnnie, 'but this morning my sister said she missed one. Then Daddy had a heart attack and Mommy fainted.' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A guy walked into his friend's office, he found him sitting at his desk, looking very depressed. "Hey, what's up with you?", he asks. "Oh, its my wife," replied the man sadly. "She's hired a new secretary for me." "Well, nothing wrong in that. Is she blonde or brunette?" "Neither, He's bald." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A Christmas card sent from a Democrat to his Republican Friend: The election is over, the results are known, The will of the people has clearly been shown, Let's forget the quarrels and show by our deeds, We will give our leader all the help that he needs. So let's all get together and let bitterness pass, I'll hug your elephant and you kiss my ass. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 28 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= To: All ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ._...._. \.O./ .::o:::::. 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(3:770/245) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 29 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= WANTED ================================================================= Hello everyone in every nation... I am asking you for any articles on anything you deem to be of interest to Fidoneters, or conversely, anything you would like to ask Fidoneters, seek opinions or solutions to problems you or a friend may have. Also I have solicited bilingual articles. Articles submitted in your native language and in English, to be published sequentially in an issue of FidoNews. That will help strengthen Fido in membership nodes as more folks will have a place to practice their hobby, plus sharpen their skills with second or third language. And lastly, we are looking for programmers who wish to tell us about their BBS program products. We need to revitalize the strong roots that the programmers had established in the last two decades. We need new programs also, even old programs reconstructed to work with the newer technologies developed in the last couple of years. Send any items to: wdbonner@pacbell.net or fidonews@netscape.net or editor@fidonews.org or ICQ = warbond #17773628 Thank you in advance, Ol'wdb ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 30 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= QUESTION OF THE WEEK ================================================================= WHO WILL BE THE NEXT Z1C... Is it going to be: Dallas Hinton?, Ross Cassell? Janis Kratch??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 31 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= ANSWERS OF THE WEEK ================================================================= By: Carol Shenkenberger To: All Re: Official results St: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 December 2000 The election for a new Z1C has concluded and the official result from the 10 standing RC's in Zone 1 is: Janis Kracht Janis, you are now appointed the Z1C per the results. Enjoy! Turnover timeframe is now left to you and Dave, and per his request be concluded any time from now but no later than 5 January 2001. David Moufarrege, our blessings on you for all you have done over this past term! xxcarol Carol Shenkenberger Z1C Election Coordinator - 2000 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 32 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= For ROUTED or CRASH Netmail File Attached Please SEND TO: Joe Jared CoModerator FidoNews 1:103/301 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 33 25 Dec 2000 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= ------------------------------------------------------ *Fidonet-related sites . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: December 10, 2000 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/ Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.r10.org Net 102 http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Net 2410: http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/ Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/ Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14 Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 15: Region 16: Region 17: http://www.region17.net Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140 Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19 Net 124: http://www.dallasinet.com/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130 Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.) Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) http://www.was-ist-fido.de/ Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 34 25 Dec 2000 Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/ Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) ? 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FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 35 25 Dec 2000 v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 19/68 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS | 33.6k | n/c 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c 103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr 106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ??? 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c 379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3407/4 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k |N/C 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C 292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 36 25 Dec 2000 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * NFS = Linux Networking ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com. 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