The F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 49 03 Dec 2001 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | | | | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash Netmail Articles To: | | | / / \ | Editor@1:1/23 (1-972-562-8064) | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Frank Vest@1:124/6308 | | \_______\(_| /_) | or E-Mail (attach) To: | | _ @/_ \ _ | fidonews@sbcglobal.net | | | | \ \\ | | | | (*) | \ ))| Editor: Frank Vest | | |__U__| / \// | Deputy-Editor: Lawrence Garvin | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2001 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ] ..................................... 1 2. [ INSIDE ] ............................................... 2 The Fidonews At A Glance ................................. 2 3. [ GENERAL ARTICLES ] ..................................... 3 Fidonet is a BBS Organization ............................ 3 4. [ GUEST EDITORIAL ] ...................................... 4 The Soldiers Project ..................................... 4 5. [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ] ...................... 7 Ol'WDB's Column .......................................... 7 6. [ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ] ................................. 9 "Does Fidonet need a completely new collection of *Cs?" .. 9 7. [ ANSWERS OF THE WEEK ] .................................. 10 From: Aleksej R. Serdyukov ............................ 10 Dear Reverend Visage ..................................... 10 From: Todd Sullivan ................................... 12 8. [ EDITOR'S CORNER ] ...................................... 14 FidoNet logo inquiry ..................................... 14 9. [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ] .................................. 16 The diary of a user ...................................... 16 10. [ SPECIAL INTEREST ] .................................... 18 Information on Doug Myers? ............................... 18 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 19 11. [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ] ............ 21 *Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's* ......................... 21 12. [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ] ..................... 27 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 27 13. [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ] ................................ 33 How to Submit an Article ................................. 33 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 34 FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 1 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ] ================================================================= "I Have a Degree in Liberal Arts - Do You Want Fries With That?" ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 2 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ INSIDE ] ================================================================= The Fidonews At A Glance Ed Williams of "The Goblin's Reach BBS (1:128/148)" joins us in the "General Articles" with some thoughts about Fidonet and BBS' In the "Guest Editorial" section we hear from Ward Dossche with a project that, while not exactly Fidonet related, may be of interest to some in Fidonet. The "Question of the Week" this week comes from Todd Sullivan. Aleksej R. Serdyukov provides us his thoughts on last week's "Question" and brings to light some of the parts of Policy 4 that he feels needs corrected. Doc Logger visits us with an answer to last week's "Question". Hey, Doc. When you gonna join Fidonet again?? :) Todd Sullivan gives us his view on last week's "Question" as well as a question that he feels should be asked. Hmmm.... The "Editor's Corner" received an E-mail asking about the Fidonet Logo for a history book being written. Well.. At least Fidonet will go down in history somewhere. :) Warren Bonner visits us with some thoughts on Bulletin Board, Christmas shopping and other things. For those of you who knew Doug Myers and might have some information about him, you might check the "Special Interest" section for the article "Information on Doug Myers?". ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 3 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ GENERAL ARTICLES ] ================================================================= Fidonet is a BBS Organization Ed Williams golza@home.com To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Your Fidonews Column Hello, After reading your column in this week's fidonews, you helped spur some thought late last night.. Here's the thought... Fidonet is a BBS organization. We need users, whether we admit to it or not, or indeed everything we do, can be done on the internet. Without supporting users! There is precious little difference between each of us and some web pages. Supporting users and their interests is what makes us different. There is utterly no effort on the part of the masses of Fidonet systems to actually put out to the public anything which will encourage them to join us, giving us in return something to do other than sit back and pick endlessly on each other, and struggle over things that if we were busy hammering a decent BBS, supporting new users to the system, we would consider not only mute, but childish. I'd like to hear your, (and others), comments on my thought here. What you might like to see be done, and so on. You have my permission to use in the Fidonews if you choose. Ed Williams The Goblin's Reach BBS (1:128/148) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 4 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ GUEST EDITORIAL ] ================================================================= THE SOLDIERS PROJECT by Ward Dossche Early on the morning of April 8th 1915 private Achille Adhemar DELAFONTAINE, born February 4th 1898, conscripted in the 2nd company of the 1st regiment "Fusiliers" in 1914 bearing the serial number 61013 arrived at the Word War I battlefield near Diksmuide in Belgium to fight in a war he did not want, whom his fellow soldiers did not want and whom the German enemy on the other side of the river Ijzer did not want either. A few minutes later he was hit by a stray bullet in the no-man's land position he occupied. His death did not suit a purpose and became a matter of statistics. His unit retreated and left his remains behind. They were buried by the Germans in a location described as the "railroad bridge near 'Drie Grachten'", his death was mentioned to the International Red Cross but his grave's marker was most likely destroyed in subsequent artillery duels and he became one of the many whom the fortunes of war denied a known grave. Achille Ademar DELAFONTAINE was my grandmother's brother and would have been my great-uncle had I ever had the fortune of meeting him. There have been millions of them belonging to different armies fighting each other and while doing so seeking the blessing of the same God. However, they have something remarkable else in common: in each and every case they were always someone's father, someone's brother or someone's child. Lost in the statistics and faded away in time but often deeply remembered in the hearts of the loved-ones that stayed behind ! their children, their brothers and sisters, their father, their mother! In many cases their legacy was passed down the generations and even today they are remembered. For years until her death in 1979 I've heard my grandmother talk about her brother and it was a pain for her there even was no grave to go to. Until she passed away she always kept his photograph displayed. Eventually I started discovering the military cemeteries in Ypres Salient, an area very well known in English history as so many died there stuck in the mud, shot at, gunned, bombed, mined, gassed! They came from places like Edinburgh, Brighton, New Delhi, Rangoon, Marakech, Leopoldville, Kentucky ! they were white, black, yellow and brown! They were Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, atheist! Many died thousands of miles from home for a cause they most likely did not understand! But they died anyway. Many are remembered by a grave, a lot are not. Quite likely one of the most impressive memorials worldwide to commemorate soldiers fallen during a war is the Menen Gate in Ypres FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 5 3 Dec 2001 (Belgium) where some 64.000 names are recorded of British MIA's. When they ran out of space to put more names other cemeteries in the neighbourhood received walls with panels and more panels. The total tally runs into several hundreds of thousand of soldiers missing in action in one geographically small area alone. When you reflect upon it and remember that everyone of these men was a son, a brother or a father then it is very difficult to fathom the human suffering that it must have caused. The Ypres Memorial is unique though. Ever since in the 1920's somewhere local people, out of gratitude for the soldiers who gave their lives, started a daily "Last Post" ceremony. The ceremony got interrupted during the 2nd World War but resumed after and early November 2001 it was performed for the 25.000th time. The local firebrigade took it upon them to provide the buglers during all these years. It is impressive, every evening whatever the weather nor time of the year at 8pm traffic comes to a complete stop, people become silent and the buglers play the "Last Post". It lasts about 75 seconds but echoes in the Arch of the gate and haunts you afterwards. Every year on November 11th the 1918 Armistice is remembered by a special ceremony with the firefighters band from Devon (U.K.) and a bagpipe band from Scotland. I go there every year that evening with my children, they don't have to go but insist on coming along ! There are no speeches, just one single voice saying these words: They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old. Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun, and in the morning we will remember them The buglers play, poppy-wreaths are laid down! Poppys everywhere, paper ones, real ones and John McCrae's epic poem "In Flander's Fields" comes a bit to life. The bagpipes play a solemn hymn and the ceremony is terminated with a rendition of "God Save the Queen" sung by the thousands who are present there that evening every year. Over the years it occurred to me that people from continents far away will never have the opportunity to attend such a ceremony but with our 21st century technology we have some solutions to offer and 2 ideas grew in my mind. The first one was to create an internet site with video-images of the November 11th ceremony so that people as far away as New Zealand could click on the site and see as well as listen to the "Last Post" of November 11th 2001, see some photographs from Menen Gate, witness the singing of the British anthem. You are all welcome at my site http://many-glacier.mine.nu/ypres/ to see for yourselves. FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 6 3 Dec 2001 A second thing that's been nagging me over the years is that I've been confronted with so many people from all over the world looking for a grave-site, people from Australia who saved for 50-60 years to be able to make this one trip and spend a few minutes near a marker of someone they maybe only know from family history. Also here technology has something to offer. A while ago a Canadian started the Maple Leaf Legacy Project, it was his quest to put a photograph on the internet of every individual grave marker of a Canadian soldier killed anywhere in the world. He is talking about some 115.000 photographs, a huge site. To learn more about this you can visit this site: http://www.mllp.demon.co.uk/ Similar projects are now going for putting the graves of soldiers from New Zealand and Australia on the web. I would like to take the next step and provide a virtual grave- marker on the internet for every soldier that fought, died and was buried or MIA during World War 1. The majority are British or from the British colonies plus French. There are also a lot of Belgians, there are Americans and let's not forget there were also German sons and brothers and fathers who were equally mourned by their loved-ones. The project I am talking about is humongous, I have no clue whether it can be funded because it will take a shipload of money, I have no idea whether it can be achieved in my life-time (just turned 51 last week) but I do know one thing: I need partners and associates, people willing to spend time photographing, people willing to spend time building html-pages, people managing the site, people running the operation ! there's a need for lobbyists, fundraisers, speakers, do-ers ! Many will be needed and therefore I am turning towards the Fido- community. In the past I've been amazed often enough to discover what kind of gems can be hidden in the sysop-community; I wonder now if some of these gems are left. Lip-service is welcome but I need practical input. People volun- teering must realize we're talking about years here and I have no clue of "how many". Certainly more than a decade, maybe even more than 2 decades. That is the kind of commitments I am looking forward to. If we can assemble a dedicated taskteam that would be an important first step. Next would be a businessplan and see where the funding could be coming from. You know my netmail-address. If not, it is 2:292/854. Via e-mail I can be reached at wd@skynet.be. If you think you can contribute in one way or the other then please let me know. In any case let us remember that war has never been a solution in itself! ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 7 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ] ================================================================= Ol'WDB's Column wdbonner@pacbell.net Thanks to those who wrote me in response to my column. It is appreciated and warmly accepted, even those that think I may be "paranoid" about those that delight in back-biting. True, I don't like to see such EXCEPT with "tongue in cheek and a smiley". That takes the sting out of unnecessary rebuke and somewhat softens the rudeness. Now to other things that may help you with a problem, or enhance your enjoyment of your BBS and the Internet. It has come to pass that the Internet is the free ride that replaces the long distance charges CRP used in past years to make up for. (CRP a minimum charge assessed each node for the import of echoes and files.) We seem to be in a quandary trying to adopt guidelines that pleases policy and works for everyone no matter h/h selection of methods of networking with other BBSes in Fidonet. I think the RCC is trying hard to resolve some of the most pressing problems from what I have been told. I hope they can agree on a list of necessities, and resolve them one by one in a timely manner. Perhaps some special committees may be useful in searching out the root situation solutions and presenting to the ZCC. Fido must grow with the technology or be left behind as was the old Commodore C-64 with its 300 baud modem. And perhaps the blend of the many ways to access Fidonet will gradually become easier for all new and future Fido-nodes. We need to make that come to be for our survival as a network and hobby. Now a tip on a real good source of helpful information no matter what operating system you are using. Sign up by sending a note to: subscribe@komando.com ,or at: http://www.komando.com/media/newsletter Every Saturday Kim delivers her timely and informative Newsletter absolutely FREE, and we NEVER sell our list of subscribers, so your e-mail address is safe with us! She is also on hundreds of radio sta.s on Saturdays, info in newsletter for your area. Many tips on setups and menu controls for all windows and other Op. Sys. Holiday shopping is here! There are more and more purchases each year on the Ebay and other Internet stores, and more and more Scam artists putting up E-Stores to pick your pocket if you sucker into their deals that are ever so enticing. May help if you first check with: Consumer protection and advice for e-commerce and the Internet, check out the Federal Trade Commission online: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/menu-internet.htm Another tip on free software I received: WARREN, Free Software now available to you from Sega, IBM, Disney, Simon & Schuster and many others! Click here: http://www.freesoftwarepromotions.com/100012 AOL Members Click Here FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 8 3 Dec 2001 All titles are full-version, CD-ROMs (not shareware or demos) that are currently sold in retail outlets for as much as $50 each. No guarantees on my part, just passing the word along for some of you who may have lost favorite oldie/goody games and want to replace it/them for the holidays for the kiddies, or other working programs you use. The price is hard to beat! Warm Regards, Ol'wdb ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 9 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ] ================================================================= This week's question comes from Todd Sullivan in reply to last week's question. "Does Fidonet need a completely new collection of *Cs?" ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 10 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ ANSWERS OF THE WEEK ] ================================================================= Does Fidonet need a Policy? From: Aleksej R. Serdyukov Sure, but of course, with some changes.. Basically because it is old (11 or 12 years is not good for policies, either real or computer). 1.2.1.2 Points - heh, I don't like some of the part ;) ok.. >1.3.1 FidoNews >FidoNews is a weekly newsletter distributed in electronic form >throughout the network. It is an important medium by which FidoNet >sysops communicate with each other. FidoNews provides a sense of >being a community of people with common interests. Accordingly, >sysops and users are encouraged to contribute to FidoNews. >Contributions are submitted to node 1:1/1; a file describing the >format to be used is available from 1:1/1 and many other systems. Hmm.. May be, it is for those times, when the editor was 1:1/1 ? >2.1.9 Private Nodes >Private listings which are for the convenience of one sysop (at the >expense of every other sysop in FidoNet) are a luxury which is no >longer possible. I think it is neordinary and... if it was true, there weren't so many Private nodes ;) >4.2 "Bombing run" I think it would be very useful to replace it by more modern word - "spam". I haven't said also, that P4 says main part of FidoNet is NETMAIL. And echos are only mightly but not biggest part of it.. It calls "netmail" "normal mail", (like all software, but software cannot detect it exactly ;) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Editorbeing, This article is submitted by Charles Herriot (c.herriot@sympatico.ca), late of 163/110, late of Region 12, etc, etc, who managed to chain Doc Logger to a keyboard long enough to get this screed wrapped in fish and sent off to his adoring fan... Roll da flic, Frank... FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 11 3 Dec 2001 Dear Reverend Visage, I've cued up the soundtrack from The Rocky Horror Picture Show and cranked the volume past the pain threshold in order to play "Let's Do The Time Warp Again." I needed appropriate ambience to wade through the Important and Urgent Question posed as this week's topic. It would be crass of me to mention that it has been the exact same Urgent and Absolutely Pressing question since Fido was a puppy, back when less than 70% of Cher was plastic appendages. Bundled in the same issue of Fidonet was a rather petulant screed from my dear friend Andrea Santos who was whinging (whinging, not whining...never whining) about the End of Civilization that might ensue if geographic purity (has a sort of fascist cadence to it, doesn't it?) were allowed to be sullied by the evil swine in Net 229. Andrea blows the usual headgaskets speculating about the UnPatriotic motives of Net229 and assures us that Her altruism is of a richer hue, a firmer weave, than those node-mongering anarchists in Net229. She urges them to either go to hell, or Region12 ( same thing) if they don't share her cloacally restricted sentiments. (Oh for pity's sake, stop snickering. Andrea is a Western Art Treasure.) To get back to the original issue: Do we need policy? The answer is self-evident. Of course "we" do. Where else will socially maladroit people find refuge when their limitations might otherwise compell them to recognize that rules and regulations are a perfect substitute for common sense? Where else will people whose daily lives indicate that they lack management skills, or cooperative skills, can accelerate themselves into lofty titles and positions of authority. Look on the bright side, without the titles that go with the Policy dictated fiefdoms, most of these people would have been deprived of their highest achievement in life. To want such powers or authority in Fidonet is perhaps a little demented and deranged but insisting on the absolute need for Policy is a kindness to them. Take Andrea, for example, she is made whole - sanctimoniously satisfied - by whipping on the little puppies in Net229 who DARE to question the insanity of the Geographic Rule. Okay, so maybe she needs more vegetables in her diet or perhaps needs a real hobby, but you have to allow for a world where her needs are equally important as that segment of the population possessed of any shreds of common sense. The socially inept need love and understanding too, you know. I see also that the poor Editorbeing is doing the usual handwringing about what should be "allowed" into the electronic pages of his organ. It is a dilemma that has plagued all Snooz editors and they never seem to achieve grace with their answers before they undergo spontaneous human combustion (a Snooz editor occupational hazard.) Flooding into the Snooz editor's mailbox will come the usual mouthbreathing demands that The Snooz be kept free from extraneous drivel (like this article, for example) and left as the sole preserve of the Plastic Pocket Pen Protector club who can discuss the gruesomely technical aspects from the tinfoil shrouded sanctity of their basement apartments. The same people who send this sort of WhineMail(tm) are evolutionarily incapable of actually writing anything else. They know what they want, damnit, they just need a Big Person to hold the crayons and actually FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 12 3 Dec 2001 write it. At this point it is de regeure to quote the seer and prophet, Tom Jennings: ("Make mine a double cheese", Tom Jennings, April, 1987) Which lends a sort of historical impramentur to whatever dead horse is being flogged at the moment. Personally, I think it a damned fine thing that the last Snooz was 3 pages of articles followed by 17 pages of a telephone book. It would only have been better if Rosanna Arquette's phone number had been in there. The sad and simple truth that causes Snooz editors to eventually become insane or to become sociologists (which is pretty much the same thing) is that there are only three people who actually read the Snooz. The *C-beings avoid it like the plague because gawd forbid that they stoop to accountability or communication, and the legions of sysops only cherish it for the bragging rights they can attain from the incredible transfer speeds they achieve in whipping it out to their downstream nodes' trash baskets. Dallas Hinton reads it to satisfy himself that it is safe for children to read, and the third reader is stuck on the Falkland Islands with 30,000 sheep. Hell, even poor Mr. Bonner's heartfelt request for a little civility in the echoes was probably lost on almost everyone. (I'd have read the article myself if I hadn't been in such a frenzy to find Rosanna Arquette's telephone number or to discover if the software upgrade to my Sinclair ZX-81 was listed in the software section.Sorry Warren, as they say "poo happens".) To attempt to bring home the cows on this rambling piece, one of my favourite exclamations of the Policymongers is the aghast expression: "We have to have rules. Why...Why...without them we'd have... (meangingful pause here).. that would be anarchy!" (followed by another pause to wipe the rivulet of spittle from their chins.) You can try to get these mouthbreathers to understand that the concept of "anarchy" is not synonimous with "chaos" but it is largely futile. You can almost imagine the life-crisis these same people would face if their peas ever touched their carrots on the dinner plate - my gawd, more anarchy. Fidonet was created as an exercise in workable anarchy and would have done fine had it not been hijacked by policymongering claim jumpers who recognized that the very premise of two individuals making an intelligent compact ruled themselves out as participants. An egalitarian society must embrace the cretinous as well as the lame, and so it is that Fido is replete with people whose approach to rules make Mugabe look like a dangerous populist. I must go, Visage, your secretary is screaming again which is a real puzzle because it has only been five minutes since I parked the D9 Caterpiller beside my desk. As the good and decent people that we are, we should send her speelunking in Afghanistan. Regards Doc Logger Furlang Island, South Pacific ----------------------------------------------------------------- Does Fidonet Need a Policy? FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 13 3 Dec 2001 From: Todd Sullivan That all depends. Check Fido performance, manners and efficiency before and after Policy. Whichever's better (and I'm betting it was /before/) is your answer. I'm going to stick my neck out and declare Policy isn't at fault. Policy was written - apparently - by the *Cs. The question /should/ be "Does Fidonet need a completely new collection of *Cs?" Todd Sullivan ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 14 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ EDITOR'S CORNER ] ================================================================= FidoNet logo inquiry By Frank Vest 1:1/23 editor@fidonews.org As editor of the Fidonews, I get messages at the "editor@fidonews.org" address with everything from articles to viruses. The articles, of course, I accept and put in the Fidonews, the viruses, I delete. Then there are those inquiries like the one below that make me stop and go "Duh... Hmmm... I don't know the answer. Let me think on this a minute." :-) ---- begin quoted message "Hello there, This is Marti LaChance with Smart Computing magazine. We're working on an Encyclopedia of Computing, a printed volume due out in the spring of 2002. I'm writing to ask permission to use the dog-with-diskette logo for our FidoNet entry. I'm thinking of the image on fidonet.fidonet.org called "doggy," but will use the FidoNet logo you prefer. If this is ok with you, do you have a high-resolution copy of your logo? I have sent a similar inquiry to Tom Jennings, but have heard no response." ---- end quoted message FWIW, here's the basics of my reply: ----- cut "I'm really not sure where to go with your request. Fidonet is a hobby network and there are many "logo"s for Fidonet. I'm attaching the one that is registered as a trademark (Trade2.logo). The most commonly known is the ASCII "Dog with Diskette" that appears in the text version of the Fidonews. As far as which one to use in your "Encyclopedia of Computing", I really don't know which one to tell you to use." ----- cut I still don't know if I helped at all, but I did receive a reply indicating that they were going to use the trademark version. It is kinda nice to know in this day and age of computing that Fidonet still has a place in history. Just thought I'd pass this along in case anyone is interested. :) The url for "Smart Computing magazine" is FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 15 3 Dec 2001 http://www.smartcomputing.com/ in case anyone is interested in looking their site over. Regards, Frank Vest ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 16 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ] ================================================================= The diary of a user Petko Bossakov 2:535/1 18.7. i tried to call a bbs. i hear it's very interesting and fun, but i can't connect. i must have done something wrong. 19.7. at the computer store they told me that i need a modem. it seems that they think that i am stupid and want to take my money. hmm. no way. 22.7. i bought a modem. i tried to connect it to the monitor and the printer, but it didn't work. 23.7. finally i made the modem work. the son of the neighbours (he's only 9 years old) connected it. unfortunately it still doesn't work and i can't connect to a bbs. 25.7. the neighbours' kid gave me some software. he seems smarter than those computer store guys who sold me the modem. they didn't tell me that i need special programs to use the modem and i'm sure they didn't know that. 26.7. damn! what's that "internet" thing? i thought that internet and bbs are the same. i'm pretty confused. 27.7. the neighbours' kid showed me how to use a browser. i told him that when he grows up he'll become a great programmer, and he said that even now he feels like a genius compared to me. hmm. he must be kidding. 28.7. today i tried to chat. i tried talking to the computer, but nothing happenned. Maybe i have to buy a microphone. 29.7. i found something called a "forum". it's great! 30.7. these guys in the forum can use capital letters. i wonder how do they do it? they must have different keyboards. 31.7. I CALLED THE STORE FROM WHICH I BOUGHT THE COMPUTER TO COMPLAIN THAT I DON'T HAVE CAPITAL LETTER KEYS. THEY TOLD ME TO PRESS THE CAPS LOCK KEY. AND WHEN I ALSO COMPLAINED THAT ONE OF THE SHIFT KEYS IS WIDER THAN THE OTHER, THEY SAID IT WAS A STANDARD. BUT I DON'T WANT A STANDARD KEYBOARD! I WANT A NORMAL KEYBOARD. IT SEEMS THAT MY NOTE WAS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THEY THANKED ME AND SAID THAT THE WHOLE TECHNICAL SUPPORT DEPARTMENT WAS LISTENING TO ME ON THE SPEAKERPHONE. 1.8. I FOUND A FORUM. THEY SAID THAT THERE I CAN FIND ANSWERS TO ALL MY QUESTIONS. I SENT 44 QUESTIONS ABOUT COMPUTERS AND INTERNET. I HOPE I GET AN ANSWER SOON. FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 17 3 Dec 2001 2.8. I FOUND ANOTHER FORUM, ABOUT JOKES. I DECIDED TO SEND THEM A JOKE ABOUT A CHICKEN THAT CROSSED THE ROAD. HOWEVER, I WASN'T SURE THAT IT WILL WORK, SO I SENT IT 56 MORE TIMES. 3.8. EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT A WORLD WIDE WEB. I NEVER IMAGINED THAT THERE CAN BE SO BIG SPIDERS. THEY MUST BE GENETICALLY MODIFIED. 4.8. THE FORUM MODERATOR ANSWERED ME. HE WASN'T VERY NICE AND I GOT PRETTY ANGRY. THAT'S WHY I WROTE IN THE FORUM WHAT I THINK ABOUT HIM. I WASN'T VERY SURE THAT IT WAS SENT, SO I SENT THE LETTER 22 MORE TIMES. 5.8. SOMEONE HAS LEFT ME A NOTE TO READ THE FAQ. THAT GOT ME EVEN ANGRIER. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT FAQS ARE FOR IDIOTS. 7.8. If writing in capitals isn't polite, why do we need a Caps Lock? They should make keyboards without it. They'd be cheaper this way. 8.8. I received a letter where I read how I can make lots of money. I carried out all the instructions, added my name and put it in all forums that I could find. 9.8. I set the letter as my signature. It's only 6 kilobytes. There is still some cosmetical work on it though. 10.8. In a forum I read that all lamers must die. I read a few more messages, and now I completely agree. I just have to find out who are those lamers, after all. 11.8. I asked where I can find the last version of Tetris. A guy told me to look for it in 2:50**/**. I searched for hours, but I couldn't find that forum. 12.8. Now I can't ask the neighbours' boy about anything. His parents wouldn't let him. They say that every time he came to visit me, he never stopped laughing, so he could neither eat nor study. In the humor forum they didn't like my joke about the chicken. They seem to prefer other kinds of jokes. I received lots of other letters, but there are only symbols like @#$%^. 13.8. I asked in all the forums who are these lamers and where is 2:50**/****. I forgot to use my new signature (it's only 8 kilobytes). 14.8. I can't connect to the Internet. The sysop has left me a message not to call any more. :( 15.8. I found out that there are other providers in town. At least I can call them... ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 18 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ SPECIAL INTEREST ] ================================================================= Information on Doug Myers? From Dale Garside Editor's Note: The below was sent to me via the "editor@fidonews" address and, obviously intended for Warren Bonner. I forwarded it to Warren who replied to me and suggested I include it in the Fidonews. Since Fidonet is known for trying to be helpful and someone reading this might know of some further information, I thought it a good idea. - Frank Dear Warren, I am Doug Myer's half brother, Dale. Doug's father died when he was less than one year old, and his mother married my father a year later in the Harrisburg, PA area. We grew up in Summerdale, just three years apart, and we were very close. I could tell you many stories ... I also have some photos and copies of his cartoon strip about a pirate ship crew, "Colombo." (before the TV show by the same name). The cartoons are good stuff, and even Johnny Hart looked at them once and was very complimentary about the quality of Doug's artwork and text. Doug had tried to get the cartoons syndicated, but it never happened. I still think his work is brilliant. I read the tributes to Doug in Fidonet's September 24, 2000 issue, and I am deeply grateful to have them recorded. If more people did write in subsequent issues, I would like to access those tributes, as well, so I can share them with our family (Rehkugler and Garside). None of the Myers relatives, except his ex-wife and three sons, are alive now, but already his son, Jeremy, would like to have copies of any tributes to his father. Since you have known Doug for some time, perhaps you could point out any interesting things he has written via Fidonet or in correspondence to friends. We would deeply appreciate any insights into my most intelligent and generous brother. Feel free to share this information via Fidonet, or in E-mails to Doug's friends. There is some consolation in finding others who knew and appreciated Doug. We would love to hear more ... Dale Dale Garside, Ph.D. P.O. Box 800761 Toccoa Falls, GA 30598 1-706-886-6831x5421 email: dgarside@toccoafalls.edu Dale, Bev, & Rachel Garside 107 Fern Valley Dr. FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 19 3 Dec 2001 Toccoa, GA 30577 1-706-282-7011 email: bgarside@toccoafalls.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nodelist Stats INPUT NODELIST FILE : NODELIST.334 File has a Date Stamp of : 11/30/2001 File Size (uncompressed) : 1183.04 KBytes. The Input Nodelist file has 10817 Nodes in it and a total of 13928 non-comment entries. The list has 6 Zones listed. 65 Region Coordinators listed. 489 Network Hosts listed. 740 Hubs listed. 374 DOWN Nodes listed. 886 PRIVATE Nodes listed. 551 HOLD Nodes listed. Administrative overhead = 1300 ( 12.02 %) PRIVATE NODES overhead = 886 ( 8.19 %) Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats): 9600 = 9266 ( 85.66 %) (HST's = 199 or 2.15 % of the 9600 baud modems.) (CSP's = 2 or 0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.) (PEP's = 15 or 0.16 % " " " " ) (MAX's = 0 or 0.00 % " " " " ) (HAY's = 3 or 0.03 % " " " " ) (V32's = 5227 or 56.41 % " " " " ) (V32B's = 618 or 6.67 % " " " " ) (V42's = 4997 or 53.93 % " " " " ) (V42B's = 667 or 7.20 % " " " " ) 2400 = 107 ( 0.99 %) 1200 = 6 ( 0.06 %) 300 = 475 ( 4.39 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- F_Req Flag Applicable Software Number of Systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 4137 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS -------------------------------------- XB Binkleyterm 2.0 10 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 11 -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 20 3 Dec 2001 XP Seadog 7 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 74 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 408 Tabby -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 4639 Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 3862 ( 35.70 %) MailOnly Nodes = 5627 ( 52.02 %) Listed-Only Nodes = 814 ( 7.53 %) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 21 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ] ================================================================= *Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BBS Software -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BBBS Home Page b@bbbs.net http://www.bbbs.net/ ELEBBS- The Elevator Software Productions Web Page elebbs@elebbs.com http://www.elebbs.com/ Hermes II Project (Mac) info@HermesII.org http://www.hermesii.org/ Maximus BBS Support Page (Non Official) sales@lainus.com http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ MBSE BBS Michiel Broek + development team mbroek@users.sourceforge.net http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:2802/2 Michiel Broek. Mystic BBS http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/ Nexus Bulletin Board System groberts@nexusbbs.net http://www.nexusbbs.net/ Proboard Telegrafix Communications Inc. info@telegrafix.com 540-678-4050 http://www.telegrafix.com RemoteAccess Central Bruce Morse bfmorse@rapro.com http://www.rapro.com/ Searchlight Telegrafix Communications Inc. info@telegrafix.com 540-678-4050 http://www.telegrafix.com Spitfire BBS FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 22 3 Dec 2001 Buffalo Creek Software MDWoltz@AOL.COM http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html Synchronet BBS sysop@vert.synchro.net http://www.synchro.net Telegard BBS support@telegard.net http://www.telegard.net/ Wildcat Interactive Net Server (BBS) Santronics Inc. sales@santronics.com (305)248-3204 http://www.santronics.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Door Software -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bentstone Capabilities Group info@stonebenders.com http://www.srupc.com/mall Jibben Software scott@jibben.com http://www.jibbensoftware.com/ JNS Software Door Games Rusty Johnson rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com 304-733-0113 http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.) http://www.lordlegacy.org/ PC Pursuits brucep@pop.kis.net (301)240-6653 http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm S and T Software Mark Bappe mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net (770)788-6843 http://bozax.iainc.net/public/ Shinning Star BBS Doors nannette@shiningstar.net http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ Sunrise Door Software Al Lawerence al@sunrisedoors.com FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 23 3 Dec 2001 (404)256-9518 http://www.sunrisedoors.com/ The Brainex System info@brainex.com http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ Trade Wars Door Game jpritch@eisonline.com http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ 1:299/110 Vagabond Software Bryan Turner vagabond@darktech.org http://vagabond.virtualave.net/ 1:124/7013 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Mail Tossers -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- FMail Support wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org http://fmail.nl.eu.org/ 2:280/1076 Squish Tosser http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Mailer Software -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Argus RITLABS argus@ritlabs.com 373-2-246889 http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84 FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software Definite Solutions sales@defsol.se http://www.defsol.se/ BeeMail Home Page http://beemail.gexonline.net Stephen Proffit 1:211/405 BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software http://btxe.sourceforge.net/ Plantinum Express for Wildcat Santronics Inc. sales@santronics.com (305)248-3204 FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 24 3 Dec 2001 http://www.santronics.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Fidonet via Internet Software -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Argus RITLABS argus@ritlabs.com 373-2-246889 http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84 BinkD maloff@corbina.net http://2f.ru/binkd/ Fidogate Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net http://www.fidogate.org/ Fidonet to Internet Mailer Bo Bendtsen sales@terminate.com http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm GiGo Software http://www.gigo.com/ Internet Rex cruden@cs.ualberta.ca http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/ Tmail (Russian /w English DL) http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm TransX Multiboard Communications Inc. support@multiboard.com http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html 1:2401/305 TransNet transnet@ressl.com.ar http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/ Watergate ramon@sbbs.se http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Point Software -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX http://www.defsol.se/ JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 25 3 Dec 2001 http://www.jetsys.de/ APoint http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm (Author) http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Author) CrossPoint ("Original" version) http://www.crosspoint.de http://www.apoint-mail.de CrossPoint (OpenXP Projekt) http://www.openxp.com (English) http://www.openxp.de (German) CrossPoint (XP2 Team) http://www.xp2.de WinPoint95 http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt http://www.happyarts.de/xp Terminate Terminal http://www.terminate.com PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Other Software, Utillities and such -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager BGFAX Home Page http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/ SIO, Vmodem for OS/2 http://www.gwinn.com NetModem for Windows http://www.allensoftware.com Com/IP Region 11: http://www.vector11.com/region11/ Net 2410: http://www.vector11.com/net2410/ Region 13: http://www.ispaceonline.org/region13/ Net 109: http://www.thelitterbox.net/fido/net109/ Net 261: http://www.baltimorepress.com/~net261/ Net 275: http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/ Net 267: http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/net267/ Net 275: http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/ Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14 Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 15: Region 16: Region 17: http://www.region17.net Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140 Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19 FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 28 3 Dec 2001 Net 124: http://www.DallasInet.com/net124/ http://texoma.net/~flv Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) http://www.was-ist-fido.de/ Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) Region 25: Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/ Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://www.fidospain.org Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English) Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5028: HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/ Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) ?? Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian) Net 5074: http://www.n5074.z2.fidonet.net ?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://r65.yeah.net http://www.cfido.com (Chinese) Fidonet Via Internet Hubs a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 29 3 Dec 2001 also receive routed notice of this feature. v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c 18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c 103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 @ Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr 106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ??? 106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 134/11 @ Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX aDSL, 60 | n/c 138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16 142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c 153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ??? 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c 218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c 220/10 | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c 229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? | 229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c 249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c 250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c 261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c 323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c 379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 393/9005 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ??? | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c 396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c 2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c 2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c 2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 30 3 Dec 2001 2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c 3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c 28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c 47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c 201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c 255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c 263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c 280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c 280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c 292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c 292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/534 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c 341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | | 341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | | 343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | | 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | | 348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | | 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/558 | Vlad Hrusca | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 31 3 Dec 2001 461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c 2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c 3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c 5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 6 65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free 653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free 654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free 654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * TX = TransX * NFS = Linux Networking * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 32 3 Dec 2001 news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 33 3 Dec 2001 ================================================================= [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ] ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are the -=_guidelines_=-: No more than 70 characters per line. 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