r8 Q < Q-scan Primos #7 - 24 msgs > 2/24: Assorted Q's Name: Doc Holiday #14 Date: 7:57 pm Mon Jul 04, 1988 Can anyone tell me how the WATCH monitor works on PRIME.. Read:(1-24,2),? : 3/24: Watch Name: Epsilon #12 Date: 9:55 am Tue Jul 05, 1988 Watch can be invoked on some machines by typing 'watch', or just 'w'. If no particular User ID is specified, it will ask you for a User ID. At this point, you enter a User ID, ? for a list, or 999 to exit the program. The link is one way, so you can't type things for the person you are watching. It's fun to watch someone watching you, watching them, watching you, etc. Gets confusing. ::Epsilon Read:(1-24,3),? : 4/24: RE: Watch Name: Doc Holiday #14 Date: 1:28 am Thu Jul 07, 1988 Resembling watch is another USER monitoring program call PEEK. (Which i'm sure you know what it does -- yes it peeks the desired users buffer for viewing. Peek also has some extensive commands such as: 1) Invoking a user list 2) Showing the STAT US 3) Duplex mode 4) Invoking a Prime command 5) POKE entry: Allows monitoring user to POKE commands at the user who is being monitored. Very nice -- Had loads of fun with this one. --Doc Holiday Read:(1-24,4),? :† C… 5/24: I found one! Name: The Underlord #46 Date: 10:51 am Sun Jul 31, 1988 es Ok, i found a primos system on telenet. How should i begin to hack it? I tried all those common ids and passwords in the hacking primos file but none werk. Someone help me! the nua is 0311030300023 Try and figure it out! Underlord. ......... Read:(1-24,5),? : 6/24: Watch + Start Hacking Name: Magic Hasan #64 Date: 4:59 pm Sat Aug 06, 1988 Hey Doc, I'm home....anyway, gosh, where di yo use Peek Underlord - Many Primes found in 303 turn out to be Dialcoms - a system based on Primos, but alot more difficult to get around in....30323 sounds vaguely familar...Iy may not be a dialcom after all..Anyway, sometimes you get lucky with the defaults , and other times ...well you know....After you try the standard list of defaults from a list, try common names...I've had quite a bit of success with JOHN,JOHN and RICHARD,RICHARD and CHRIS,CHRIS...give those a shot. Try hacking on Primes found in 617. Prime Inc, being based in 617 area has many machines in that prefix, and also tend to have alot of their defaults in place... some good ons to try: 617455 617585 617556 Good luck -MH Read:(1-24,6),? : 7/24: Watch rumors Name: >UNKNOWN< Date: <-> INACTIVE <-> Epsilon... Watch being started by only entering "w" wasn't a standard of any sort. That was only on SUNY's system so the students wouldn't figure out what it was if they found the command directory (CMDNC0, CMDNC1, etc...) Peek is great! But Watch is suppose to also allow the poke option to allow you to type characters for someone else. Peek's unique feature is viewing the entered user number for a given line. It will allow you to read that person's or line's AMLC buffer... (let's just say last so many characters entered.). The buffer size depends on what the system has that line set for. It can be from 1K to 10K. This is a great feature to use it for seeing what the System Console (user 1) is up to... you'd be able to tell if it logged the DTE address of a Telenet port you called through on an invalid login for instance. Oh yeah, with Peek, the user doesn't have to be logged in. As far as I can tell, it won't display the user's password if they just logged in though. Usually Peek isn't found in the command directories. User's may have it as an abbreviation and the actual program in one of their Sub UFD's for security reasons. There's another program called PEEK and SCAN in the command directories also. SCAN is another watch program but can also be a program to scan directories for filenames. Scan's main feature is to SCAN the system and watch so many seconds for every user. Prime Suspect LOD/H . Read:(1-24,7),? : 8/24: Config Files Name: Prime Suspect #70 Date: 6:52 pm Sat Aug 06, 1988 Sorry about the last post being anonymous. That was an accident... I signed it at the bottom anyway. Some files you may wish to look at to see what the system logs and so on are the following: CMDNC0>PRIMOS.COMI A COMI file full of all commands to be run for the system to startup. Usually it's automatically run after a power outage, but can also be executed from the system console if the system was previously shut down. CMDNC0>CONFIG This file is normally called "CONFIG" but can be anything (usually ...".CONFIG" if not CONFIG) as assigned by the CONFIG command used in the PRIMOS.COMI file. This file contains abbreviations and and arguments for things such as LOGLOG which will send the username and time to the system console of each log in if set to YES. BADLOG logs only invalid attempts. If networked it also sends the originating address... such as telenet port addresses. The Command directory is usually contained in MFD 0 and called CMDNC0. But it can be in any MFD and called anything in the form of CMDNCx. Such as CMDNC1. The SYSTEM directory contains things such as SHAREd memory files... and utilities for major software packages dealing with memory, and line assignment. Prime Suspect LOD/H Read:(1-24,8),? : 9/24: Watch/Peek Name: Epsilon #12 Date: 10:22 am Sun Aug 07, 1988 Prime - Yeah, I see. But on the particular version of peek that I was using, you could hit - (I believe) to throw you into poke mode. Does this hold true for the systems you've been on? Ep Read:(1-24,9),? : 10/24: this may. Name: Knightmare #21 Date: 10:58 pm Sun Aug 07, 1988 this may shound like a stupid question but i don't know primos- how do ya print a text file? I like the os but don't get the directory structure. I listed all the files, but i think they were all directories. Now i know there are records in each directory which are the files themselves. What command would i use to change directories? I went through the help file many many times but nothing. It suggested AT dirname but the command doesn't exist. Anyone? Why can't people just convert to unix??? heh Read:(1-24,10),? : 11/24: basic usage Name: Prime Suspect #70 Date: 1:41 am Mon Aug 08, 1988 LD brings up a list of files and directories with headers. If you want just the filenames (no sub-ufds (dirs)) you would use[ LD -FILE ATTACH and A are the very same... but to attach to a subdirectory you would enter it like: A *>SUB-UFD-NAME SLIST filename shows you the contents of a file Wild characters are "-" and "--". To list all commands that are CPL listings do the following: A CMDNC0 LD --CPL -NW (the -NW won't give you the --MORE-- prompt... =NOWAIT) Read:(1-24,11),? : 12/24: Directory headers Name: Prime Suspect #70 Date: 1:48 am Mon Aug 08, 1988 not referring to what you see printed. The actual FILE headers (made[a mistake for the title of this msg) contain a lot of information. One thing is the Passwords assigned to password directories. Other information used for security, etc... is the time/date info stored for things like: last read created on last modified last backed up and so on... if anyone's interested in seeing the actual structure as read in by the source code say so. To look at some info type i[ "LD filename -DETAIL" or -DET. The passwords are never visible to the OS user at any time.... but can be accessed through programming if you have ALL access[to that directory. (or PDALURW... or simply P for protect) If you want to see a long file for all the args for LD do this: a help*;slist ld.help One nice option is LD -SORTDTC and it lists the files in reverse order of when they were created... also LD -CRA date or something similiar to see what files were added after a certain time/date. I use that for searching for new commands added , etc. Some system operators use these options to look for files that may have been added over the weekend when the system wasn't suppose to be used... or in the morning. Sometimes the CREATE date gets screwed after backups to equal the backup date. Read:(1-24,12),? : 13/24: thankks Name: Knightmare #21 Date: 11:56 am Tue Aug 09, 1988 Prime: Thanks for the help. Still, some of the commands you mentioned do not exist. For instance, LD. This system I was on seems to be owned by a big company and would have the need for such commands but they are just not there. MH knows his share about primes, maybe he can help. (he has the #) Next time I'm on I'll buffer my session Read:(1-24,13),? : 14/24: LD not valid because Name: Prime Suspect #70 Date: 11:51 pm Tue Aug 09, 1988 It sounds like you have a pre-rev 19.0 system. Most likely an 18. something. In this case forget about trying to learn Primos as your new knowledge would be useless in most cases unless it's a VERY interesting owner. Try "L", "LIST","LISTF" to list files. L will work fine. W Read:(1-24,14),? : 15/24: well yes.. Name: Knightmare #21 Date: 4:08 am Thu Aug 11, 1988 Yes, maybe I should say it's a VERY interesting owner. But I will try those commands you mentioned. Should they work then thanks, and if not ....then..! heh seeya.. Read:(1-24,15),? : 16/24: Anyone . . . Name: Tales Gallery #74 Date: 3:14 pm Thu Aug 11, 1988 Recently Paradox and I have been working with Colorado University and their ORPHAN PRIME v21.22 (Or something to that Suspect #70 Date: 11:56 pm Sun Aug 14, 1988 Throw some questions at me. I started to write up a text file on CPL programming and it would look good to have some common questions answered in it. Read:(1-24,17),? : 18/24: Question...Question Name: Magic Hasan #64 Date: 10:10 am Thu Aug 18, 1988 Hey PS- Gosh, what a surprise, you call BBS's now? -me Read:(1-24,18),? : 19/24: reply... to mh Name: Prime Suspect #70 Date: 12:04 am Mon Aug 22, 1988 Only here if possible. Why should I call elsewhere? This looks like a promising board full of hacker youth and the... elderly or mature. Read:(1-24,19),? : 20/24: EDB - binary editor Name: Prime Suspect #70 Date: 12:18 am Mon Aug 22, 1988 Try this out for seeing something different: ATTACH LIB EDB CCMAIN.BIN F ALL If CCMAIN.BIN doesn't exist...just use another .BIN file there like PFTNLB.BIN or something. These are the libraries loaded when compiling a program.[Doing an "F ALL" shows you the functions and calls used in that library. Kind of interesting for seeing what's available. Prime Suspect LOD/H Read:(1-24,20),? : 21/24: Elderly and mature Name: Magic Hasan #64 Date: 1:16 pm Mon Aug 22, 1988 Ah, you mean me. heh. Oops, back to Primos: Here are some dialups of Primos systems belonging to various colleges. Try the defaults 617-891-2011 / At switch : "connect b" - Bentley College 219-284-4612 - St. mary's College Remember - think defaults...defaults... defaults... -MH Read:(1-24,21),? : 22/24: ... Name: Necron 99 #9 Date: 6:48 pm Mon Aug 22, 1988 do NOT post any numbers on here. we've already heard that there may be feds here, so don't give them ANY reasons to arrest poor loythere. get it? Read:(1-24,22),? : 23/24: Numbers. Name: Magic Hasan #64 Date: 1:08 am Thu Aug 25, 1988 Necron, good friend - Let's think back to our bit of law background. It comes back to me that there is absolutely nothing wrong with posting a phone number. In fact, the numbrs aren't even private. Much like a wardialer, a phone number depends alot on what one does with it. Very innocent, -MH Read:(1-24,23),? : 24/24: ... Name: Necron 99 #9 Date: 5:51 pm Thu Aug 25, 1988 yeah, fine, whatever, just don't do it again, okay? i'm sure there are some unscrupulous tupes that may consider that information illegal. eneough on this subject, let's keep this off the board, eh. Read:(1-24,24),? : 9: Text Philez P-Z [UD:Punter][Unltd.Time][UnltdBlk]: